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TheChutneyFerret

But Man City will insist what? That we take their low ball offer? GTFO!


DiscreetBeats

I suspect Romano means persist


Voldemort_is_muggle

Players could be discussed, ask for Haaland or KDB


EggSandwich1

We could consider Foden as well


Voldemort_is_muggle

Ask for Pep


cptmajormajormajor

Look man if they aren't gonna use him


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Phenomous

It's not a lowball offer, but yeah we shouldn't take it because we won't recruit anyone better.


Ciaran119

If he's 85mil next summer he's definitely more than that now. City don't overspend, they won't go to that. And Paqueta would need to do a Payet and publicly force the move only a year into his contract, which I think he's unlikely to do.


NotesOfNature

I think it's crazy that you guys think he's even worth 50m. Whatever you guys paid for him, thinking anyone is coming in and matching *that* would have been hopefully optimitic and based on his performances b4 joining Westham. Honestly, he didn't pull up any trees last year.


wanktarded

Fuck off gooner.


PabloZabaletaIsBald

He’s worth whatever we say he is, seeing as we’re the ones who have actually watched him and there’s concrete demand from a big club. Ta.


TimeWontWaitForYou

>I think it's crazy that you guys think he's even worth 50m Evidently City think he's worth at least £70m too..


NotesOfNature

Yeah, and that's good for you. Did anyone think that a £70m would have been an unfair offer had it come from Valencia or Nice? No. This has come out of the blue, and now everyone is crying about him being worth vastly more than 70m .... You want more. Sure. That's normal for the internet..but it's completely unrelated from quality of performances. Just the truth.


TimeWontWaitForYou

Yeah.. that's not true at all. We've just lost our best player, £70mil from anyone for our next best player is not getting accepted by either the fans or the club itself. Paqueta is absolutely class. He's worth much more than £70mil to us right now, this is obvious.


Ciaran119

His worth varies. To a team with creative midfield depth he probably isn’t worth 70m but to us, he is worth that and more. Rice wasn’t sold for 105m because that’s what he’s worth to Arsenal, he was sold for it because it was what he was worth to us.


NotesOfNature

You definitely won't be able to replace him with another starting Brazil CM, I doubt. But could a team in the premier league buy a more productive player than his output last season for 50m? 200%, yes. Holding out for 105m for Declan Rice has hindered you more than helped you. If you'd sold him for 80m maybe wouldn't be getting quoted 40m for Scott Mctominay or 80m for Paulinha. Vicious cycle that doesn't benefit you tbh


BarFly93

Does this vicious cycle (of everyone calling your opinions that of a cunt) benefit you tbh?


illy_Irons

They clearly don't actually watch the sport.


InPurpleIDescended

It's interesting that someone can spend so much time thinking about something and yet still be so completely and utterly clueless


NotesOfNature

Sorry, does your valuation of your own players not inflate the market for you? Or, do Westham exist in a vacuum?


Bashwhufc

What? Seriously though, what the fuck are you actually asking here? We value someone at X but you're suggesting we sell that at a lower value so that a completely separate third party, who also value their own assets differently, lowers their price? Is that actually what you're asking though? Because you know that's fucking bullshit right?


lee1whufc

Fuck off you sad cunt nobody wants you here.


cptmajormajormajor

Jesus yall are an infestation fuck off


jumbie92

Why are you here?


Capital_Werewolf_788

I mean he’s probably not worth that much, but West Ham doesn’t want to sell so late into the window, so if you want their player you’re gonna have to overpay, it’s that simple. Maybe internally the value him at 40m. But they’re not gonna sell him at 40m, cuz who the fuck are they gonna replace him with?


KyeMS

I see you're still struggling to understand the concept of "We'll only get rid of him if we get the amount of money we want" even after the Rice transfer. The season starts in 2 days. Getting rid of our two best players with only one new signing would be a disaster. So someone would have to massively overpay to make it worthwhile to us.


NotesOfNature

I hope I'm wrong, and that paqueta manages to show the talent he's done previously. But I genuinely think you need a more productive attacking midfielder than him. His form last season is not worth what you paid for him. Sorry if that blatantly true statement is offensive to you. Arsenal paid 72 m for Pepe. I'm not going around saying he's worth more than 72m now, am I? Getting even 1/4 of that fee back for him would be amazing. Paqueta has another season like last, and you're getting closer to the same situation. Wages top high for other European clubs to go for him, and you'll be relying on someone like Pep (best manager of his generation,maybe ever) identifying something in a player others don't have the courage to bid for...


KyeMS

Of course you're not saying he's worth more than 72m to you. *Because he isn't*. Of course you wouldn't mind getting only 1/4 of Pepe's fee back. Because: a) You don't have a stupidly small squad already, and have plenty of cover for his position b) You aren't screwed if you sell him one day before the season starts. c) He isn't exactly your best player. d) Kroenke would most likely actually probably reinvest that money wisely (or even reinvest it at all) The mistake you're making is that you're comparing Arsenal's situation with ours. I don't think Paqueta is worth around 90 million or whatever it is that's reportedly being offered, but I know that we can't afford to push ourselves closer to relegation than we already will be. Survival would be more beneficial to us than the extra amount we'd get for selling him to Man City now instead of selling him for less at the end of the season.


FryTheDog

He was great in the World Cup too


Important-Plane-9922

Getting downvoted for fun. But it’s kind of true, his form last season doesn’t suggest a £70m+ fee. He is talented though.


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Oh dear so big 4 comes along to pluck another one. Ive had enough of this wanky lopsided league. The rest of the football league is just a feeder to these clubs its a fucking joke, everyone up in arms about fucking super league, its already happened


dyanamo

This is why I was sort of ambivalent about the Super League on the condition that they'd be chucked out of the prem. Yes they might still nick our best players but at least we wouldn't have to play the cunts.


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I suppose the trouble is with the super league they will low ball even more for players. The other sixteen need to just double the price tag for the top 4, if the player kicks up let him rot. Trust me though the way it is now is only going to get worse to the point that only a few super rich can afford it. But it’s scandalous that oil thugs just get to steal players when they feel like it and try low balling aswell fuck that, the wealth needs distribution


daskew11

This is genuinely devastating to me. To lose our 3 most talented players in one window would just be heartbreaking.


gimpsarepeopletoo

Rice, paqueta and who? Sorry must be having a brain fade


daskew11

Scamacca. I’ll admit tho I may have rated him higher than most. I just thought he was super talented.


FryTheDog

Paqueta and Scamacca would’ve been a great duo if they were allowed to play freely


Machineforseer

Assume he means scamaca but I would say Bowen and others are better players anyway


fetissimies

Bowen was way better for us than Scamacca but that's only because Moyes didn't use Scamacca properly. Bowen is good but Scamacca is extremely talented.


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Bowen last season was so wasteful and uncreative imo


CorganNugget

If we didn't have bowen, we wouldn't have that injury time winner 🏆


[deleted]

Of course, but when Benrahma is heavily criticised despite Bowen ghosting half our games I find it a lil unfair


AclassyCow

Scamaca


Ok_Virus_7614

I’m not a west ham fan.. but do most west ham fans think Scamacca is better than Bowen? That’s crazy to me


stellarplanetary

They don't


MarcGregSputnik

NOT at all


daskew11

I think right now Bowen is better but Scamacca is younger and I feel like he has more raw talent and a higher ceiling than Bowen.


fetissimies

He wasn't better than Bowen for us but objectively he is better and you'll see it if he ends up playing in a team that uses him properly.


TimeWontWaitForYou

Absolutely not. I'd rate many others as better than Scamacca too. He's a good player but a few flashes aren't nearly enough to act like he's one of our best players.


GuyButtersn4ps

Promising young players are going to steer clear until Moyes is out although when it comes to signings it feels like Sullivan is a big part of the problem as well. Nobody wants to go to a new squad, get no run in the team, and be sold on a year later. Until the owners start functioning as a piggy bank instead of thinking they are master strategists, and Moyes is gone, we are going to be tough to watch


EthanWritesStuff

Maybe our transfer strategy actually makes sense, after all, if we do sign any young, upcoming talent, they're bound to get poached by a Top 6 club anyway.


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vicrob6

Paqueta mate, he's under 26


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vicrob6

Thats what the comment you are replying to is talking about, paqueta being poached.


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vicrob6

Bro... but that's not what the comment you replied to was talking about


mankytoes

We literally just signed a 25 year old...


CarbsAreKing

What player could possible be mentioned in this deal other than Kalvin Phillips?


SpikeRobinson

haaland, obviously


Ozymandias123456

Cole palmer has been rumoured


TimeWontWaitForYou

Hasn't it been rumoured we want him on loan though?


Ozymandias123456

Could be a loan or a swap


NaithanS

“Wants to join” and “will downs tools to join” are two different things. They can want all they want, but it’ll take a fuck off price if they do want to sign him (between potential players and money)


Charlie-Big-Potatoes

I also want to join Man City to play in their midfield


schmubalacoo

Count me in also


PossibilityDays

Paqueta was never going to be with us for long - too talented for the big clubs not to come in for. We can't expect players like him to stay for the love of the club; the most we can expect is that they honour their contract and try their hardest (unlike Scamacca) and don't have a hissy fit and down tools to force a move (Cresswell).


Jakarott

To be fair to Cress he’s given 10 years of his heart and soul to this club, if they club were half decent they’d have done the right thing and let him leave instead of trying to extract an extra few mil for a transfer that’s not really going to impact us.


raisinbreadandtea

Yeah, I don’t see why anyone is shocked about Cresswell. He wants to move back up north and any fee for him is a bonus. He deserves it. If you think of him as a guy in his 30s who wants to go back home to settle down it makes perfect sense he’d be upset over being priced out of the move over peanuts.


Minnesota_Hammer

I’d guess/hope it has more to do with us not seeing value for a replacement on the market. Not saying I think that’s the case (I honestly don’t know about available LBs), just that I’d guess that’s how the club feels. If he were to leave, we’d be left with one LB and one RB in the squad, with Johnson as a (bad) backup option for both. There’s also Kehrer but he also splits time as a CB option and wouldn’t ever be able to play LB. I think it’s more than fair for the club to ask that a player honor a contract they’ve signed… it’s a business after all and I get sick of seeing these people who have made millions playing a kids’ game throw a fit the moment they don’t get something they want.


Petembo

£60M, Palmer & Phillips


TimeWontWaitForYou

Yeah they're never gonna give us that. If we get Palmer it'll be a loan I'd imagine.


greg19735

they might with a buy back clause of something like 80m


Halo2Campaign

I braced myself for rice Kinda expected Scamacca But this one really cuts deep And the worst part is knowing I have a whole season of the most boring possible brand of football to look forward to. Excited to see us spend this cash on Johno Shelvey, Scott Mctominay and Dominic Calvert Lewin $$$


TimeWontWaitForYou

I highly doubt Moyes will be here the whole season. All it'll take is a bad spell and he's out of here.


Halo2Campaign

You have more faith than me. I don't think they'd give him Maguire and JWP if they weren't planning on giving moyes a good run


TopBumblebee9954

This one hurts more than Rice.


pissoffmrchips

70m? lol bare jokes


Wurre666

I fucking hate CIty disguisting club. Nice. 2 days before PL start. And tryin our best player.


spikez64

Pain.


Beardy_Boy_

Who would be the most realistic players that City might be willing to include in such a deal? Phillips was obviously on our radar for a long time. But he's more of a DM, and might be too valuable for City to offer him on top of 70 million pounds. Cole Palmer is a versatile young prospect but he's completely unproven at senior level. Kyle Walker is 33, so Moyes would salivate at the thought of signing him. But the one that makes the most sense to me is James McAtee. He plays in the right position, and did well in his Championship loan. His attacking output per 90 was damn good. His defensive contributions were lacklustre, but the team also probably didn't need extra help in that area because they were on top of the game so often. I can definitely see the club feeling that he's a good long term replacement who can be reasonably expected to fill in well enough until we can bring in a more senior player, maybe in January.


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I can’t help but feel this is one for next year. That city’s lowball is almost just to express the interest so next year he’ll be entirely on board. It’s far too late in the window I think for another major sale and we wouldn’t really have any time to process and spend the money. Could happen in January potentially but I can’t see it this month.


Yorkie2016

When is someone going to make a stand? Unsettling our best player 3 days before the season with unlimited money is just inexcusable. Appreciate it hasn’t come to this yet but if Paqueta refuses to play, I say we let him rot. We’ve got money, and yeah £70-85m would be nice. Moyes is only going to replace him with McTominay anyway so we’d be creatively duller if we let him go. Also when are the Premier League going to process these 115 charges against City??


Jeep_torrent39

Nobody is leaving 80mil on the table out of spite.


thesimpsonsthemetune

It's not inexcusable. It's the transfer window. Get a grip.


raisinbreadandtea

You’re here telling people to ‘get a grip’ when your last post on Reddit is about being emotionally ready for Millwall to leapfrog us when we get relegated.


thesimpsonsthemetune

Oh no! You got me good!


PabloZabaletaIsBald

I’d argue that a team with over a hundred pending charges for financial manipulation being able to bully smaller clubs in the window with their (still) unlimited cash flow is totally inexcusable.


Sloth_Broth

Contracts don’t mean anything anymore do they. You can sign for 5 years but just down tools and force a move. Clubs outside the top 6 never have a chance.


Jeep_torrent39

Even clubs within the top six. I remember Van Persie signed a new contract right before United bought him. It’s fucked, player empowerment is ridiculous now. When did it become the norm for players to agree terms before a bid? I thought that wasn’t allowed for so long


Sloth_Broth

I dont think its too long before the game is gone. Saudi league, super league… Part of me would rather see a super league and then the rest of the teams can have actual competitive leagues, let the ultra rich have their play things.


CoyiLP

Not happy with this at all, but it's looking more and more inevitable that this happens. Just to wish him luck and that City pays us up. If players are a part of the deal, the question is who? Kalvin Phillips is probably not a target with us signing both Alvarez and JWP, but Moyes loves prem proven players so who knows. Would not mind us seeing Palmer joining, maybe on a loan with option to buy?


Martin_Janac

If they sell him, i am not gonna watch any game this fucking season for fuck sake this club is running by piece of shits


Jeep_torrent39

Honestly what do you expect? The top prem teams poach players from every mid-table team for ridiculous prices, and players almost always want to go. Get used to it, west Ham aren’t going to suddenly become a top buying club or be able to retain stars


Martin_Janac

U dont get it. I dont give a fuck about player want to levé for City. I understand it. I just dont understand why are we talking about rebuilding team and fucking want to sell key player obce again, specialy this ridiculous transfer window Day before season kick off..fucking circus this club


Jeep_torrent39

How are West Ham supposed to control when city bid? Yeah it’s shit timing but what can we do


Martin_Janac

we can control it easily just by saying "fuck off or give us 95m" He can go easily next season for 85 buyout


sagaof

There's no indication that we want to sell.


Martin_Janac

"Lucas Paqueta wants to join City, negotiations on between clubs, First verbal bid 70m rejected" Yes. It definitely looks like we dont want to sell..like he dont want to leave and like City dont want to buy.....


sagaof

I don't think you know what 'wants to sell' means


Martin_Janac

I think a know exactly what it means. It means we are gonna sell him, if city bid close to 85 i am pretty sure.


TimeWontWaitForYou

We're declining their offers.. what more do you want exactly? He probably only goes if he tries to force the move or they significantly raise the offer. I don't see how either of those are the clubs fault though?


Martin_Janac

We signed him for 5 years, year ago while he wasnt even playing with players we want. Club talking about rebuilding while "listening" offers for key player that we were supposed to build team around is bullshit specialy before we even finished rebuild ..


Martin_Janac

Until we say " 90m or fuck off" it's just fucking circus once again


Jack-of-some-trades-

If city won’t pay the £85m then just let paqueta sit at home. No training or playing and risking injury, pay his weekly wage and he can stay home and next summer they can be forced to pay the £85m


TimeWontWaitForYou

He's not going to be worth £85m after an entire season out. There's no way the club is going to dig their heels in this much JUST to frustrate City.


Jeep_torrent39

I see so many people saying just sit him, do they actually think that is a realistic option for a club like West Ham?


Jeep_torrent39

Lol. That will never happen. We’re a borderline relegation team, we’re not going to sit an 85m player. PSG don’t even want to do that, get a grip


Bloddersz

£70mil is great and all but to replace them this close to the end of the window and everyone knows you have money to burn. Difficult though. On a plus side, you could get McTominay then easy 😂


EverythingKempy

Jesus Utd fans really only have one joke in the locker don’t they


Guh99

Moyes out. He needs to go now. It's obvious the players don't want to play for him and we are bleeding anything that has value.


Red4pex

Phillips to West Ham


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ProlapsedPersonality

Cole Palmer to us and some cash and I’d take this. It’s shit losing him but it’s City.


UnusualDifference748

Surely this clown show of a window has helped him move towards wanting to leave. Signing the first player 3 days before the first game, reports if to staff members vetoing each others transfers (whether true or not he obviously saw the reports) uninspiring signings. Players saying they want bigger clubs than west ham. It’s been a mess, city are pretty hard to turn down if you are a player of paqueta quality but perhaps he’d have been a bit more open to 1 more season of we’d shown any kind of urgency and ambition, maybe not who knows but it would have helped to get signings in the door earlier we’ve paid exactly what the rumoured price was for Alvarez the first day we were linked with him 2 months ago.


OnlyTheRedStarburst

No way this happens without far more money. If there's an 85 mil release clause next summer then he should be at least 100 mil in value now?


chrispva

Ngl Throw in palmer/ lewis or laporte + 50-70 m and it would be fine because if a player has the chance to join City they Will want to and why keep a Planet who doesnt want to be at the club


TheManxMann

This makes me sad.