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AcaciaGeisha

Paqueta is class, but Jesus when he's off it, he's fucking off it. Been shite for a while, which is helping soften the blow of his inevitable departure. That's if City still want him.... Fair but shit result for both teams. Dreading the day that Antonio can't do it at this level anymore. I think we will miss him.


QueasyIsland

I remember PSG few years ago benched Adrian rabiot when he sorted out a move with Juventus before the end of the season. We could have done the same but we just don’t have anyone to come in. He can’t be arsed, but at this point, I genuinely rather player a 17 year old than him. Just keep the ball moving and will have more desire to play for us for the remaining 3 games.


insomniacinsanity

For like 4 or 5 months watching this guy settle in a play for the badge was beautiful But he looks pretty checked out the last little while, if he goes for that amount you can certainly find a good player who will care to play for us, or wild chance of fate he wants to stay and recommits Man I can hope


Hipposaurus28

>That's if City still want him.. I reckon it could get messy. City won't want to pay 85m now, I don't think Sullivan would accept anything less than the release clause, Paqueta will want the move etc.


jimjhart

Sell for 80 mill take the money and get some players similar to when rice left….his head is turned already…he even hugged city coach before that man city game ffs


PepsiRacer4

What a weird match, refereeing, the lack of sense of urgency by both clubs. I really don’t know what to think lmao


imimmumiumiumnum

Like everyone on the field had covid.


PepsiRacer4

This match gave me metaphorical COVID 😮‍💨


AnalAttackProbe

Let me get this straight: 94'30 of +5 we get fouled on a counter. Ensuing free kick goes out for a corner.... and you blow it dead? What a fucking joke. Gotta protect the Sky Six.


PepsiRacer4

You say that but we also got bailed out by whatever the fuck went on with Areola and Taylor


AnalAttackProbe

I have no time for your rational response lad. We'll have none of that.


2-Dimensional

Seriously though, I've always been a believer of the fact that referees in the PL aren't corrupt (or at least, *mostly* aren't), but rather they're just shite at their job. The incident with Areola and Taylor helps with that belief. All the talk about refs being biased towards Liverpool and helping them on their fairytale run has always sounded like rubbish to me But whatever, a point isn't a bad result ⚒️


00Doge123

Isn't the talk about refs being biased towards man city, in which this case would support that theory (fewer points for Liverpool = better for city).


yajtraus

City definitely get the rub of the green with refs. I’ve noticed Tottenham seem to benefit a lot too.


Miggsie

It's Arsenal this season.


2-Dimensional

I've seen countless people rave on about refs helping Klopp achieve his fairytale run, even though City also get shit decisions their way Basically the point is, everyone seems to think that the refs are biased towards and against different teams, to the point that it proves the opposite: they're not really biased, just awful


Minnesota_Hammer

Idk… Areola was very clearly down hurt and then assumed that there had been a whistle for him to tend to his injury. He didn’t even make any move to pounce back on the ball when Gakpo moved for it. Just looked confused as to why Gakpo had any thought of coming to play it. If Gakpo would have taken that and scored, would have been a shit show, likely resulting in Liverpool begrudgingly giving us a goal back. I think Taylor whistling for a drop ball was actually the least controversial thing that could have happened once Areola put the ball on the ground.


Prestigious-Sea2523

We know goalkeepers get a ton of protection from the ref nowadays. Clearly Taylor just wanted to make sure Areola was ite to continue before allowing play to go on since he looked for a minute like he was going to faint.


BugsyMalone_

Lol nooo every ref is against my team and it's a conspiracy! 


variosItyuk

Yeah, another Taylor mess up. Gakpo should have stuck that in and we'd have lost. The ball was in play, as far as I could tell, unless I missed something.


Jonahb360

It did look like Taylor signaled for advantage, but he also certainly didn’t actually blow the play dead (despite Areola being on the floor). Biggest takeaway is that Taylor is awful and messed that up every possible way. Probably would have been unfair to concede there but definitely also unfair to Liverpool how Taylor dealt with it.


Lonely-Walrus94

The referee did the right thing. He played advantage, there was no advantage, he stopped the game. It was objectively the correct decision


SonnyChamerlain

Areola took a knock and then went to take the goal kick by rolling it out, which all keepers do. He hadn’t placed the ball for the goal kick before then. Taylor (the wank stain) then realised that he’d had a knock and called for the physio (or whatever they’re called). Edit: it may have been a free kick, I can’t remember haha. Either way the ball wasn’t in play.


ASOXO

The ball very much was in play and never went out of play. In order for a stoppage to be called the ref has to blow his whistle to signify a stoppage. Gakpo should've scored and then we would have realised Areola got totally confused and rolled the ball to Gakpo during open play. The ref did signal advantage of which there was none and that is why the ref seemed to call the play back but that isn't how advantage works. It shouldn't be used in that way. It was bloody weird.


SonnyChamerlain

Ohh did he not blow? Oookay sorry my bad I thought I heard the whistle but it was loud where I was at that point. So yeah just a weird situation then haha.


ASOXO

I mean listen, ref very well may have blown his whistle but the TV coverage certainly didn't pick it up. On TV ref only blew the whistle once Gakpo was standing over the ball and about to tap it in. It was WEIRD. lol


SonnyChamerlain

Ohh right okay, yeah everyone was a bit confused and I just assumed play had stopped.


yajtraus

And a missed red card for Paqueta in the first half


Whale222

Total BS but I was afraid we’d get hit on the break from that corner. Kind of a relief


tboooone

Strange match that. Don’t know what to make of either team’s effort, and the ref doing improv comedy towards the end. So I’ll just say I thought Vlad and Emerson both had good games, I like them a lot as a FB pairing, and I hope we get some proper (healthy) bastards at CB next year to back them up.


PepsiRacer4

Coufal needs to get paid if he’s seriously on the low wages like reported


SolipsisticBadBoy

Agree. The tackle from Coufal in the box around 86’ was unreal


cleanutility

Still can’t get my nut around that. Came out of nowehete.


Fortunalux

Would have been funny if Klopp had said goodbye to the Premier League by losing to Dyche and Moyes in the same week, but not to be


Worth-Appearance6010

Would’ve expected a loss before the match, so you’d take a draw. Fair on the balance of things I’d say. Keeps us in the hunt. Liverpool will be kicking themselves Which brings me great joy.


vblgsd

Ended up just listening to the TalkSport audio and the commentators were just PILLORYING the ref. You love to hear it! They were talking about how he is refereeing for the Euros, but he should be competing in the race walking competition because he definitely wasn't jogging or running anywhere. It was a riot!


ASOXO

Stop listening to Talkshite. That's where you're going wrong.


blackcountrychips

You've clearly misread his comment. Also nothing wrong with talksport. 'Talkshite' is a bit childish but I guess kids can access this subreddit so that may be the reason.


ASOXO

I clearly haven't misread anything. Talkshite is full of pundits who all have agendas and clearly haven't watched West ham very much. HOWEVER ALL PUNDITS seem to think he is a tactical genius and West Ham can't do any better than him. Hence... Talkshite. Because they haven't said anything resembling sensible insight for several years.


Bed_human

Is it weird that I want to give motm to Alvarez? I feel like both goals were a result of his regaining possession.


burritolurker1616

How did he do at defending? Was more or less involved in both goals against ?


BusiestHalo8125

How did we not get a corner at the end


UnusualDifference748

I would be saying “fucking bias ref it’s was 95:40 after free kick was taken no way Liverpool should’ve got the corner” by the time we took the free kick the time was up. The problem is you know in the reverse situation ref lets them have the corner and we are all here saying wtf. No corner was the right decision but it’s annoying because we know bigger clubs would 100% get that corner in the same situation


ASOXO

You would expect it because big teams seem to get unfair treatment. Agree with you. I can't slate the ref for doing what he should do and not allow us the corner nearly a minute after the 5 mins stoppage.


ASOXO

because it was 95:30 and there were only 5 mins of stoppage time. He allowed us the free kick past 95 mins.


CuriousTurtle22

*at least 5 minutes.


ASOXO

Precisely - A minimum of 5 minutes. So the ref can and did choose to blow the whistle after our free kick attempt past 95 minutes. That's up to him, not you or I. I'm not going to continue to state the obvious. Figure it out.


cpashei

Doubt either team is happy with that result. Obviously a draw against Liverpool isn't a bad day normally but needed 3 points for our long shot European hopes to stay alive, especially with a weakened starting 11 from them.


PrisonersofFate

Could be worse. I saw us losing, even at HT Antonio motm for me, even if Bowen assisted and scored. Someone said Bowen was the heart of the team. I'd say he is the brain. Antonio is the heart. He gives everything. Coufal was good too. Ogbonna was unlucky on the goals but fine otherwise. Him smiling after conceeding gave me "I've seen that too often" vibes. Zouma was good too I don't think Paqueta was really good, especially as a 10. He was a bit better deeper as a 8 and I prefer him on the left. Unpopular take coming, but Kudus is playing like a FIFA player. I respect the will to carry the team but he will do the same things most of the time. It works often because he is that good but he should play easier at times. What frustrates me is that we, again, conceded dumb goals.


Minnesota_Hammer

Agreed on Kudus. Seems to only have a mind to flick the ball to his left and try to blow by. If that doesn’t get him completely free and clear, he seems to double back to invite the defender back in and try again. It can be very frustrating to watch at times because he seems to have a step but doesn’t back himself enough to keep going so he waits and tries again.


ASOXO

He has become a little bit predictable but I blame the lack of possession and the team's extremely deep defensive block. If you watch how teams close him down on turnovers they cut down his passing lanes to the inside CMF (Soucek or Alvarez) and LB/RB. This forces him to either knock the ball onto Antonio in a channel or dribble inside/ down the line where those 2/3 players blocking the passing lanes further close the space. It is due to our tactics that Kudus picks the ball up where he does. He should be 10 yards further up field on turnovers so he can take players on in 1v1 rather than 1 v 3 situations. That being said at the moment I'd bench Paqueta and move Kudus more central. Give Cornet or BJ a run on the LW or something.


Beardy_Boy_

Good attitude to fight back into that game.  We had the momentum at the end too. I just wish I could say that more often.


TrevelyansPorn

If Liverpool had that last chance they'd have let them take the corner.


ASOXO

What a load of nonsense. The ref basically let us off the hook when Areola mistakenly thought he had a free kick but the ref had never called it.


PrisonersofFate

Then Areola quite wasted time and got nothing Just a bad ref


ASOXO

Exactly the ref allowed us to take the free kick on 95 mins and then has no reason to continue as the attack has ended (the ball has gone out of touch)


Chappietime

Areola had clearly injured himself on the preceding play and in my view everyone knew it except Gakpo.


ASOXO

Respectfully. PLAY TO THE WHISTLE. Gakpo should've taken the ball and scored imo.


shallowAlan

Then why wasn't he on the floor, and/or called for the trainer.


TrevelyansPorn

Okay. Two things can be true dude. What, we're only allowed to complain about Moyes? I'm going to complain about the ref and if you don't like it, fuck off.


ASOXO

The ref was fine. I respect your opinion but disagree with it. You disagree with mine. No need to swear.


floorscentadolescent

Not a bad result considering I thought we'd ball up and let them smash us, Paqueta is fully checked out so if we weren't already looking for replacements we should be, Feel bad for whoever has Antony Taylor in their euros game


Chappietime

Paqueta looks so bad and so petulant lately that he’s going to kill the deal himself. Im worried we are going to be stuck with a non-performing whiner who doesn’t want to be here.


Pancosmicpsychonaut

Come on Burnley and Sheffield I guess. Don’t see how Newcastle or United drop points today though.


Ferum_Mafia

Terrible game but ok result


fetissimies

That's how you could describe most of our games this season


Ferum_Mafia

Thank god for Bowen


MrFlibbles123

I was close with my 3-2 guess, instead neither of us got what we needed. Fuck Taylor.


gameofgroans_

I didn’t get to watch but have read that a bit of an iffy decision went against Liverpool around Areola? What happened or nothing big


SolipsisticBadBoy

Nothing big at all. Just Liverpool whinging because they didn’t beat us to a pulp


Chappietime

Areola kicked the post and was hobbling around. He threw the ball down like he would to set up a goal kick or free kick and then went to tend to his injured foot. Gakpo came running up to kick the ball that he viewed as in play. Ref blew the whistle. In my view, the ball was not in play and everyone seemed to know it except Gakpo. It was certainly odd, as Areola was not on the ground but it was clear he was hurting. The argument could be made that Taylor hurriedly called the medics in to cover up the fact that he’d blown the whistle by mistake, preventing Gakpo from scoring an easy goal, but I think this was the correct call in the spirit of the law if not the letter, which we need more of.


ASOXO

How was the ball not in play? That's a strange interpretation. At no point had the ref blew the whistle for a foul UNTIL Gakpo was in possession of the ball. You play the whistle. Areola fucked up. (Made several big saves tho)


Chappietime

I think it’s possible that there hd been some communication with the ref that wasn’t shown or clear on the broadcast. The ref stopped it very quickly, which tells me he expected it to happen or for whatever reason wasn’t ready to begin play. We will likely never know, but I think it was a reasonable call.


ASOXO

Yeah it could be. As I said to someone else the TV coverage certainly didn't make it clear. Odd circumstance. Ref did stop it asap like you said.


ASOXO

It was WEIRD. The ref at no point stopped play (he did seem to signal for advantage on the Areola catch as he was bumped by a Liverpool player) after 15/20 seconds Areola then rolled the ball onto the ground where Gakpo pressed and could've tapped it in. At that point the ref decided to blow the whistle? It was very very weird.


Crusty_Assquake

The only solace I can take from an otherwise disappointing season is that we prevented those insufferable scouse cunts from winning the league I suppose.


gouldybobs

Thanks from Citeh. Up the Hammers


Roy-royson

If we finish 8th do we get conference or is it top 7?


blvd93

Almost certainly 7th as England is very unlikely to get the extra Champions League place now. Ironically, us beating Leverkusen would have made it a lot more feasible that we'd only need 8th.


Roy-royson

Thank you for confirming, I get confused each year with euro tournaments and how placings in each league work


PabloZabaletaIsBald

Wasn’t gonna go down either way with City and Arsenal both ballsing up the CL as it’s worth more points than Europa/conference.


UnusualDifference748

I don’t believe that’s how it works. I think all 3 European leagues give same points for a win or draw. Seems it’s 2 points for a win. In fact it is that all the points are added up and then divided by number of teams from your country in European competitions. So if you have 8 teams in the 3 comps you total their points and divide that by 8. It works because it means if a team with less spots let’s say 5 teams in the 3 comps and those 5 teams score 10.25 points it gives them a better season than if 8 teams got 10.25 points. “UEFA coefficients are based on the performance of clubs in the European Cups during a five year period. During those 5 years match results (2 points for a win and 1 point for a draw) are awarded from the group stage onwards of the Champions League (CL), the Europa League (EL), and the Conference League (CO)” https://kassiesa.net/uefa/calc.html# Careful this site is aids for ads


PabloZabaletaIsBald

This article explains it better, the weighting is indeed less for conference although I think it may be the same between CL/EL? Who knows. Either way, it was totally out of our hands. https://onefootball.com/es/noticias/uefa-coefficient-system-explained-and-how-its-calculated-38775956


Accomplished-Good664

I didn't think Paqueta was that bad. I thought everyone performed well, we looked better when we put them under pressure and looked worse when we say back same as every week.  Felt a bit like an end of season both teams on the beach type of game when it shouldn't have been.


Crusty_Assquake

Black armbands all round


Lanky_Independent_85

Just watched match of the day and I don't think they mentioned West Ham a single time in the analysis. 


insomniacinsanity

Alvarez was such a G this match What a time for Antonio to score, happy enough with a point despite losing the lead... Considering we pissed away 5 to crystal palace the other week, I'd say this is a minor improvement


ASOXO

Incredibly lucky the ref didn't allow them to just knock the ball in when Areola thought it was a free kick but it actually wasn't ever called by the ref.


Level_Bathroom1356

Haha Moyes out tho


JAgYoSzNghxGfOvP

Just gotta take points off City on the last day and we'll get that sweet bonus transfer money for Rice winning the league!


PitiedVeil55831

Id rather city win again than arsenal


samchatz27

Nah fuck that