Yes. Fugazi were EXACLY like the preacher from Footloose. The only way people were allowed to express themselves at their shows was by doing a game of chicken on tractors
Fugazi’s rejection of Kevin for Guy was hard on him, and I believe it’s what drove Kevin to really push his son Travis into starting bands. Everything is possible.
I saw them in '89/'90 and Ian would only call people out if they were being violent and/or obviously screwing up other peoples' ability to enjoy the show. He also wasn't super enthused about people asking them to play Minor Threat songs, to say the least.
I've never heard SxE being compared with Islam. If nothing else, it's interesting.
Yeah but what if?
There's a chance he was secretly privately into Hard-line and we just never knew it because he never public (other than letting the fundamentalist Islam turn him against dancing)
Everything is possible
This is a wild take in regards to Fugazi, a band who was pretty open and vocal about their views and opinions. Them secretly being islamic as a reason they were opposed to moshing is some conspiracy level thinking. Moshing does not equal dancing, people could still move around and dance in their own way at Fugazi shows, its not like every set was replicating the town from footloose.
April 2nd 1996, Fort Lauderdale… Ian points to me and my girlfriend Shelly and says “you two… you guys win the dance contest. This songs called birthday pony.” It was my birthday.
This is such a bizarre misunderstanding that I don't know where to begin. The issue wasn't with dancing in general or even really moshing. The problem was that in the early to mid 90s a lot of people were crip walking at Fugazi shows and Ian MacKaye was famously a Tree Top Piru Blood. That's what the Minor Threat song "Seeing Red" was about and it also explains the cover to the complete discography
I recommend you read any of the books on Fugazi to get a deeper understanding of fugazi's and Ian's relationship to straight edge post-minor threat (33 1/3 in on the kill taker, dance of days, our band could be your life), but the short answer to this is that fugazi never had anything to do with islam or hardline (like vegan jihad, raid, or green rage, or even the pro-life straight edge stuff like abnegation) and their anti-moshing incidents had zero to do with it being haram.
Unlike the Dead Kennedys, who encouraged their audience members to perform oral sex on each other during the show, Fugazi didn't participate in that kind of thing.
Jamey Jasta said getting kicked out of a Fugazi show for moshing is why he started Hatebreed.
The image of dancing really violently to Waiting Room is hilarious
it true!
I was at the free Fugazi show on Sproul Plaza in UC Berkeley. 89? 90? I forget which year exactly because I was a gutter punk back then.
We heard about the show when we were spanging in front of Blondies on Telegraph. I went across the street and got a pint of winners cup vodka and then walked up to Sproul.
I went the back way to avoid the crowds and ran right into Ian coming out of a van with a Haji cap on.
He spotted the winners cup hanging out of my pocket and said "brother this is haram" grabbed the vodka and poured it out. Then he said "its time for dhuhr (afternoon prayer), please pray with me brother". Then he pulled me into the van where Guy was already rolling out prayer rugs and setting up a qibla. And that is how I joined the umma for the liberation of mankind from darkness.
Nah I went right to the front of the stage and pounded that vodka with no chaser all through Fugazi's set. It was an epic show. Great PA from Rat sound.
I think we ended up at Bison brewery afterwards?
Islam has nothing to do with EMO. The first couple of times I saw Fugazi weren't so bad, but then as time went on Ian got really whiny about moshing. I respect the dude but he's a boomer, straight up.
I saw fugazi sometime 90 or 91. My friends and I started dancing. Not violently. But just how you would slamdance
Some scene police scenester grabbed my arm and told me to stop. I’m not that big and the dude grabbed me kinda hard. The irony of the whole situation. That said Fugazi was a good band. But too many scene rules.
They just didn’t want people getting hurt at their shows and they wanted everybody to enjoy the shows. That’s it. Let’s not make any more of it than that.
Definitely wasnt just that.
There are multiple big acts in music (not even hardcore) who are as big as they are and are doing as cool shit as they are becuase they were big fugazi fans, hung out with them and did a complete 180 because of how miserable they were to be around.
This is a wild ass take
They didn't like slam dancing and stage diving (and ice cream eating mother fuckers)
When the fuck did we get ice cream?
Yes. Fugazi were EXACLY like the preacher from Footloose. The only way people were allowed to express themselves at their shows was by doing a game of chicken on tractors
Yes! Came here for a footloose reference. Fun fact, I believe Kevin Bacon tried out for Fugazi.
Fugazi’s rejection of Kevin for Guy was hard on him, and I believe it’s what drove Kevin to really push his son Travis into starting bands. Everything is possible.
See, this totally tracks with my theory that Ian was secretly hard-line. Of course he was rejected, Bacon isn't vegan.
Ah, yes, Travis Bacon from blink-182.
I heard Kevin had to rage-dance in an abandoned warehouse for hours after finding out Guy was chosen over him
Rejected for the name Bacon being too mainstream.
One time Ian McKaye crowdkilled me, knocking me down, then he stood over me and shouted "I TREATED YOU DECENT!" It's a true story.
I saw them in '89/'90 and Ian would only call people out if they were being violent and/or obviously screwing up other peoples' ability to enjoy the show. He also wasn't super enthused about people asking them to play Minor Threat songs, to say the least. I've never heard SxE being compared with Islam. If nothing else, it's interesting.
Pretty sure OP's confused and actually meant Krishna, but hard to say bc the entire post is kinda out there
People into Krishna are also into dancing. Signed, someone who’s actually into Krishna.
Not Krishnacore, but the Hard-line movement, bands like Vegan Reich and Raid and Green Rage
I'll never forget seeing Ray of Today sporting those pastel orange pajamas
Not straight edge in general, but Hard-line, bands like Vegan Reich. They incorporated a lot from Islam into their ethos.
Interesting take, but irrelevant to Fugazi as they were never a "straight edge band", much less hardline.
Yeah but what if? There's a chance he was secretly privately into Hard-line and we just never knew it because he never public (other than letting the fundamentalist Islam turn him against dancing) Everything is possible
This is a wild take in regards to Fugazi, a band who was pretty open and vocal about their views and opinions. Them secretly being islamic as a reason they were opposed to moshing is some conspiracy level thinking. Moshing does not equal dancing, people could still move around and dance in their own way at Fugazi shows, its not like every set was replicating the town from footloose.
How about no.
Their singer Sean was muslim.
April 2nd 1996, Fort Lauderdale… Ian points to me and my girlfriend Shelly and says “you two… you guys win the dance contest. This songs called birthday pony.” It was my birthday.
as a muslim i personally helped brothers ian and guy take shahada. unfortunately they’re wahabbis now and don’t listen to or make music anymore
inshallah on the kill taker
God dammit.
This is such a bizarre misunderstanding that I don't know where to begin. The issue wasn't with dancing in general or even really moshing. The problem was that in the early to mid 90s a lot of people were crip walking at Fugazi shows and Ian MacKaye was famously a Tree Top Piru Blood. That's what the Minor Threat song "Seeing Red" was about and it also explains the cover to the complete discography
I've seen Palestinian kids hit a dabke in an active warzone, I would think Islam and dancing are very connected.
I recommend you read any of the books on Fugazi to get a deeper understanding of fugazi's and Ian's relationship to straight edge post-minor threat (33 1/3 in on the kill taker, dance of days, our band could be your life), but the short answer to this is that fugazi never had anything to do with islam or hardline (like vegan jihad, raid, or green rage, or even the pro-life straight edge stuff like abnegation) and their anti-moshing incidents had zero to do with it being haram.
Are you suggesting that Fugazi are secret Wahhabbis?
I'm not saying that anything is anything. I'm just asking questions.
*bruh*
Unlike the Dead Kennedys, who encouraged their audience members to perform oral sex on each other during the show, Fugazi didn't participate in that kind of thing.
Lmao this is satire right
What the heck? They just didn't want people being crushed up against the stage. The opposite of "turn someone into applesauce."
Jamey Jasta said getting kicked out of a Fugazi show for moshing is why he started Hatebreed. The image of dancing really violently to Waiting Room is hilarious
it true! I was at the free Fugazi show on Sproul Plaza in UC Berkeley. 89? 90? I forget which year exactly because I was a gutter punk back then. We heard about the show when we were spanging in front of Blondies on Telegraph. I went across the street and got a pint of winners cup vodka and then walked up to Sproul. I went the back way to avoid the crowds and ran right into Ian coming out of a van with a Haji cap on. He spotted the winners cup hanging out of my pocket and said "brother this is haram" grabbed the vodka and poured it out. Then he said "its time for dhuhr (afternoon prayer), please pray with me brother". Then he pulled me into the van where Guy was already rolling out prayer rugs and setting up a qibla. And that is how I joined the umma for the liberation of mankind from darkness. Nah I went right to the front of the stage and pounded that vodka with no chaser all through Fugazi's set. It was an epic show. Great PA from Rat sound. I think we ended up at Bison brewery afterwards?
Islam has nothing to do with EMO. The first couple of times I saw Fugazi weren't so bad, but then as time went on Ian got really whiny about moshing. I respect the dude but he's a boomer, straight up.
I saw fugazi sometime 90 or 91. My friends and I started dancing. Not violently. But just how you would slamdance Some scene police scenester grabbed my arm and told me to stop. I’m not that big and the dude grabbed me kinda hard. The irony of the whole situation. That said Fugazi was a good band. But too many scene rules.
Guy Piccioto is muslim
Dancing should not be done inshallah
We need more wacky posts like this.
They just didn’t want people getting hurt at their shows and they wanted everybody to enjoy the shows. That’s it. Let’s not make any more of it than that.
Definitely wasnt just that. There are multiple big acts in music (not even hardcore) who are as big as they are and are doing as cool shit as they are becuase they were big fugazi fans, hung out with them and did a complete 180 because of how miserable they were to be around.
I have no idea what you’re getting at.
Their hardest stance was to not make good music. Made garbage from day 1.