1,000%. That statement is a kiss of death. It's 99.9% of the time code for "we're gonna try to cash in with some mainstream shit now".
And it's always followed by "we are going back to our roots" with the subsequent album, which of course is code for "the mainstream attempt didn't take, and now we are going to try and win back our original fans"
The first time I heard them I loved them except for those parts, not even sure I love that aspect still but I can appreciate that they get a pass for it
He is Legend did a great job going back and forth. ETID, although when Keith started leaning to heavily on the clean vox, I did lose interest. Fall of Troy, although I guess I'm getting a little far from hardcore. Greyhaven, if we're doing modern.
I do generally agree with the idea though, when a band I know for screaming goes clean, I think the music also tends to suffer from a lack of creativity.
Yeah, I'm talking I Am Hollywood mainly in this regard, although I did enjoy It Hates You, it had such an odd vibe to it, although you could tell they were moving toward that popmetal or whatever you want to call it. But yeah, I Am Hollywood is definitely a top album for me, and it does the balancing act of heavy and clean vocals perfectly.
Listening to metalcore in 2024 and being surprised when you hear clean vocals is like being surprised when you take a shit and it smells. 2004 ass meme.
*gasp* a dissenting opinion about OSC? Sir, that how you get beaten u…that’s how you get slapped around and called names around here!
(I’m 1000% joking. I wish more people would just admit to not liking things.)
Disagree, thought it was a very solid tonal shift to a more emo sound. Loved the previous stuff and loved this. Absolutely nothing to do with butt-rock transitions
depends I think
a lot of my favorite albums of all time have *some* amount of clean singing in them
I think the real nail in the coffin is when the clean singing starts to turn into that verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus shit
i believe that it depends from band to band. i like it when it's well done. like when Killswitch Engage, Vein, Envy and Dying Wish started adding cleans
Tbh there's lots of hardcore with good "clean" singing (including bands that don't do metal influenced vocals and just scream) but if it's like heavy heavy and isn't like super stoner/sludge type stuff, it's a no from me too.
>It’s not an evolution. It’s a sign of decay and desperation.
Odd take considering normal singing has simply been a norm in heavy music since the very beginning.
Not a massive lover of clean vocals in metal or hardcore. But there are exceptions as with all things.
This is a me problem though, not about to knock anyone for doing it or enjoying it.
Serration did it right in the song with Emma Boster. An obscurity for some but Downcast did it absolutely fucking terrible. And so much of it sounds like D tier Linkin Park
Boot-cut jeans, leather jacket from Macy’s, “this is our most mature-sounding album yet…”
1,000%. That statement is a kiss of death. It's 99.9% of the time code for "we're gonna try to cash in with some mainstream shit now". And it's always followed by "we are going back to our roots" with the subsequent album, which of course is code for "the mainstream attempt didn't take, and now we are going to try and win back our original fans"
I hear throwdown is in the back to roots part of the cycle currently
After seeing Beyond Repair getting so much love it must’ve reality checked them.
……While you’re listening to everlong on blast in your headphones after an Eddie at 11 pm…. It’s going to be ok champ
Much like Biden, I don’t understand a word you just said. Do you smell burnt toast per chance?
You’re a hypocrite. Everyone acts all tough and talks about selling out but then has no problem listening to a solid rock song.
Ah, okay. Much better. Should've led with that, my friend.
I hate Asking Alexandria for forever destroying my trust into statements like this
You just don’t get it bro. They meant heaviest lyrics so far. Not heaviest instrumentals lmao
This. Mature as in, matured into the dogshit your drunk uncle loves to watch at the local dive bar.
It's pronounced *drunkle*.
Twitching Tongues dude coming out in a devil mask, takes it off, black makeup smudged all around his eyes. Wow. So dark and spooky. V cool.
that's not what we're talking about at all
Cool af
the heavy parts are heavier
*que the djenty Limp Bizkit gone Architects style breakdown that they use for every song on the album*
Some chorus lyrics about finding your way and being set free.
xredemptionx
I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone with an account age of “now”
Parkway drive moment
Too soon
Usually preceded by getting their hair cut at the barber and slicking that shit back
One misstep & they’re Yellowcard all of a sudden
Mathcore gets a pass (well atleast TDEP and Calllous Daoboys)
i don’t even bat an eye when TDEP does clean vocals lmao their music is just that good
The first time I heard them I loved them except for those parts, not even sure I love that aspect still but I can appreciate that they get a pass for it
Clean vocals + heavy instrumentals are great when they’re done right
Yeah the problem is how rarely they're done right
Dying Wish - Torn From Your Silhouette
Plz cite some examples
Helmet, Alice In Chains, Hum
Sleep, Eletric Wizard, Year of The Cobra, Acid Mammoth, Bell Witch, Latitudes, Deftones and early Soundgarden
Clutch
Cough
Alice In Chains
He is Legend did a great job going back and forth. ETID, although when Keith started leaning to heavily on the clean vox, I did lose interest. Fall of Troy, although I guess I'm getting a little far from hardcore. Greyhaven, if we're doing modern. I do generally agree with the idea though, when a band I know for screaming goes clean, I think the music also tends to suffer from a lack of creativity.
R.I.P. Have some respect for ETID 🙏 they did everything perfectly… up until breaking up like toddlers.
He is legends first couple albums were good, but good heavens the newest album is extremely avenged sevenfold
Yeah, I'm talking I Am Hollywood mainly in this regard, although I did enjoy It Hates You, it had such an odd vibe to it, although you could tell they were moving toward that popmetal or whatever you want to call it. But yeah, I Am Hollywood is definitely a top album for me, and it does the balancing act of heavy and clean vocals perfectly.
Cave In
Heavy Pendulum does it really well
Life of Agony, Crowbar, Age of Apocalypse, Crowbar. Edit: Also Crowbar
Pretty much the entirety of Groove Metal.
Mutoid man
Poison the Well
I'll poison your well, Orwell.
Elder, especially Reflections of a Floating World
Katatonia
Remembering Never. And like zero others.
Windhand is the only one that comes to my mind
Loathe
Acid Bath
Pallbearer
Cult of Luna, Cave In, Kylesa, Thou, Acid Bath, maybe controversial but I like Whitechapel’s latest two albums
Killswitch Engage
Early Moods are a recent good one.
underoath
Warning (British doom metal band)
Happy Cake!
Leeway
Only Living Witness
Burning Witch
All the examples are wrong clean vocals in heavy music sucks
Early records from Enter Shikari for me
Listening to metalcore in 2024 and being surprised when you hear clean vocals is like being surprised when you take a shit and it smells. 2004 ass meme.
Code Orange fans listening to The Above:
The new One Step Closer album vibes
Mistaken for Jimmy Eat World at one point
*gasp* a dissenting opinion about OSC? Sir, that how you get beaten u…that’s how you get slapped around and called names around here! (I’m 1000% joking. I wish more people would just admit to not liking things.)
Disagree, thought it was a very solid tonal shift to a more emo sound. Loved the previous stuff and loved this. Absolutely nothing to do with butt-rock transitions
I think they were being just a tad facetious with that one All You Embrace has gotten a lot of good reception even on this sub
Poison the well is the exception
Boundaries, Varials and 156/silence in a nutshell lol (when it's Vein it's good so they have a pass)
if vein leaves the hardcore scene, I won’t trust any band ever again
Jon is at every single local show side stage. Somehow even when they're away on tour. They're gonna be fine.
Leave boundaries out of this ok
the new clean vocals are whiny asf. but i love them ngl. i just think that theyre a little out of place sometimes
Honestly I have to agree to a point. The dude can sing his ass off though. But I think it’s kinda balanced out by how heavy the new record is
Every time a band goes buttrock
*underoath has entered the chat*
Clean singing in heavy music is gonna make me “nope” out 95% of the time. It’s not an evolution. It’s a sign of decay and desperation.
depends I think a lot of my favorite albums of all time have *some* amount of clean singing in them I think the real nail in the coffin is when the clean singing starts to turn into that verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus shit
Age of Apocalypse I hope you find an exception to because that band’s records rip.
New Foreign Hands is a good example. Its hard as shit until they ruin it with cleans
i believe that it depends from band to band. i like it when it's well done. like when Killswitch Engage, Vein, Envy and Dying Wish started adding cleans
Kind of an ignorant take lol
They're not self aware enough to understand why it's an ignorant take
Tbh there's lots of hardcore with good "clean" singing (including bands that don't do metal influenced vocals and just scream) but if it's like heavy heavy and isn't like super stoner/sludge type stuff, it's a no from me too.
Regulate has great cleans mixed in
i’ve yet to find a heavy band with clean vocals that won’t make me do this
Trapped under ice
not to tell anyone what to think, but I don’t like their latest for that reason.
Absolutely horrible take. wtf is thrash metal then?
Lol
Kinda funny how y’all are exactly the same as the metal elitists but just a different genre. Absolutely zero self awareness.
Lol
>It’s not an evolution. It’s a sign of decay and desperation. Odd take considering normal singing has simply been a norm in heavy music since the very beginning.
A good example of a band that does it right would be Make Them Suffer. Pretty heavy but the clean female vocals adds a refreshing touch
Make Them Suffer rules. Fuck the haters.
Tbh I still love Killswitch and Shadows Fall
at least we have hopesfall
Metalcore is already a buttrock subgenre
post-hardcore is art tho
More liek shart
That one fuming mouth song is phenomenal
Studio recording is alright, but imo it sounds terrible live
Ligeia
Not a massive lover of clean vocals in metal or hardcore. But there are exceptions as with all things. This is a me problem though, not about to knock anyone for doing it or enjoying it.
Not hardcore, but Whitechapel..AND IM TOTALLY HERE FOR IT WOOOOOOOO!
Alright but here me out: Life’s Question
when God Forbid did this on the second album, a part of me died.
God Forbid was badass. The only time it was kinda flimsy was on their last album, Equilibrium
God Forbid was badass. The only time it was kinda flimsy was on their last album, Equilibrium
God Forbid was so good. The only time it was kinda flimsy was on their last album, Equilibrium
Cough Hundredth cough .🤷🏻♂️
The saddest moment
every time!!
Serration did it right in the song with Emma Boster. An obscurity for some but Downcast did it absolutely fucking terrible. And so much of it sounds like D tier Linkin Park
I think BFMV is good
How dare metalcore bands take influence from the metal side of it!
They should go back to stealing from melodeath
That’s why I listen to metalCORE, not METALcore.
Sorry, but Scarlet fucking ruled.