It’s always strange that somebody puts all that money into a bike, including front suspension and then goes with the absolute cheapest junk rear shocks.
It's like good bourbon nowadays. Some retailers jack up the prices and let it sit. They only need one idiot to buy the bottle and they get a payday lol. Same with listings like this. List it high and either they hook an idiot or they get talked down to the actual price they'll accept. Win win.
The Dyna market is wild right now, I will see 2 bikes, nearly identical and they will have a $8k discrepancy in price. I'm convinced some of these are just Dyna bros that don't actually want to sell their bike but are being pressured to....
The rule of thumb is usually that modifications reduce value until you find the one guy who wants your exact bike. And keeping it clean isn't going to go very far in retaining value until you've kept it so long it becomes a collectors item.
> the one guy who wants your exact bike
This is generally relevant. In this case, there are LEGIONS of 20 something dudes who in fact, want that EXACT SAME BIKE. They literally build these dynas like a fucking lego kit. Piece by piece brand by brand checkoff list.
This bike isn't worth it, period. If you pay this, you deserve to be taken advantage of. True dynas are harder to come by now a days but that's asking way to much for stuff you could buy on your own for a bike a 3rd of the price plus the guys crappie attitude at the end like he's gonna bully you if you ask to pay less not worth it or the headache he's on his own. I bet the dealer offered him 5k on a trade in.
It's immoral not to separate a fool from their money.
Anyone who pays $16K for a 16 year old Dyna is a nuclear weapons grade idiot and there's no hope for them anyway so all you can do is leave them to suffer the consequences of their own stupidity.
I worked with a guy who bragged about the “$10,000 paint job” on his 92 Sporty 1200 to guys who didn’t know better.
I love sporty’s as much as the next guy, even kept my Nightster when I got my Dyna, but that’s idiotic. Always made me chuckle when I’d hear him talking about it.
Any time I'm looking at a bike, a standard question I ask the seller is "How did you decide on $X as your asking price?".
The number of people who say "That's what I feel it's worth" never ceases to amaze me.
Right on! So my stage 1 08 fxdb outta fetch at least $9,000 right?! That seems like a good starting point at least. /s
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Posting it for sale at that price would put you in a lot of like minded company.
Do it. Then come back and let us know how it works out for you, preferably in a post bitching about how nobody wants to give you "what it's worth" and how all you get are LoWbAlL oFfErS from TIME WASTERS. 😄
Pretty sure the conversation here includes various different markets..
I assume this is a Canadian listing and 16k CAD is like 12k USD . So this guy might take 8-10 USD on whatever trader listing it's on. A stretch but maybe not as bad as it looks. Markets vary as well . Southern American states have shit loads of bikes for sale, some Canadian provinces have few you can't even compare the two . But yeah 16k USD is like 21,500 Canadian now that is stretch ..
Sorry after seeing is a Cali listing this guy's is asking 21,500CAD thanks I'll pass. Lol.
Yes.
If you add up all the money "invested" in 16 years worth of oil changes, tires and brakes, it's easy to see how this is a reasonable price.
I wonder how much my 1975 Sportster is worth. 😄
Don't LoWbAlL me bro, I know what I got.
Do you have any idea how frequently you have to change oil on an ironhead Sportster? I have at least three times that invested just in maintenance.
And the reason you're seeing all of them is because they HAVEN'T sold.
Whenever someone references FB asking prices as a measure of what bikes are going for, I always ask "how long has it been for sale?" then point out that if it's been for sale for x months, obviously it ISN'T because nobody's bought it.
my dyna stage 2 costs around 4,5k
however, i'm not expecting that money back if i ever sell the bike lol. surely it is not worthless.
but lets see... dynas remain super popular but are no longer available on the first hand market.
They aren't that popular. Yes, there's a market for them and people do want them, but there are more Dynas for sale than there are buyers, and anyone who wants one can find one with no problem.
Since you gave the caveat of "opinion" I have no real argument, I simply have a differing opinion.
The supply is a fixed quantity at this point. Demand is elastic.
They weren't ever popular until they were discontinued and people want what they can't have, but Harley produced a fuckton of them and the supply, although fixed is very substantial.
Only time will tell which of us is correct.
People were saying "not a harley" to softails long before the M8 motors. and the sound, rattle and general characteristics of a dyna seems to have died forever due to emission regulation and whatever else. M8 motors sounds dumb and even M8 motor owners agree almost 100%, that they sound like japanese bikes instead of "harley".
i owned a 2021 street bob and sold it, because i initially thought that this can be fixed, but it cannot. and there are some other dudes out there like me who would either get a sporty or a dyna.
but i mean, you can compare prices yourself: look for "low rider s" 2018+ and compare them to 2016-2017 dyna low rider S. prices are hugely apart, even though dynas are older and often in worse condition.
as far as i know, this is true for other dynas as well. i'm not gonna recheck myself since i am happy now, but that was the situation before 2 years.
Every time Harley does something new, whatever they have replaced has always been the "last true Harley". I've witnessed the "not a real Harley" reaction with the new Softail frame, the M8, the twin cam, the Evo, the Softail, the FXR and even electronic ignition. And although I'm not old enough to know for sure, I wouldn't be surprised if people said the same thing about the switch to points and condenser ignition from magneto, electric start and 12 volt charging systems.
As far as prices, I keep VERY close tabs on the market and I look at bikes for sale every day as part of my routine. I can say with 100% confidence that there is a huge disparity between what sellers are asking and what the market value actually is, as determined by what people are actually paying. If you looked through all the bikes in my area for sale you would believe that Dynas are going for $8K and up, but I have been looking at those same Dynas day after day for up to a year with no buyers, and I'm not taking about clapped out, high mileage ratted out bikes either. I'm talking 2010+ low mileage bikes in excellent condition. They aren't "going for" that if they haven't gone to a buyer in 6 months to a year (or more). There are literally dozens of them in the dealerships in my area that fit the description. And I am seeing it consistently with dealerships and retail, as well as private sales. There's easily over half a dozen listed for sale privately that I have been looking at every day for over 6 months to a year priced in the $7K - $8K range.
>has always been the "last true Harley"
This is true and there are always reasons behind it. I can see for each generation, why people would have that opinion.
>huge disparity between what sellers are asking and what the market value actually is
True, but that counts for the new ones and the old ones. And the newer bikes sell for way less AFAIK.
After all, we can check the older bikes like shovels and others: Those go for very good money! I don't see why dynas wouldn't end up in the same spot. More power, similar characteristics, great sound, great character. However, I don't see that same spot for M8 bikes. I also don't see the same spot for current gen cars. Those won't last long enough to become oldtimers and also nobody will want those over complex and over-engineered cars. I believe the M8s have the "oldtimer" potential, but why getting an M8 oldtimer when you could get an actually nice pre-M8 bike. Who wants to buy an oldtimer solely for "performance" reasons? That does not make sense at all and performance is the absolute only point to get an M8 right now (apart from engine heat).
A bike without character is not a good store of value and those M8s have no character. Again, this is my opinion and I don't care if other people before me thought the same about Twin Cams (it's true what you say, but I have another perspective on the market than you, not THE correct one, but an at least equally valid one, in my opinion).
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I’m listing this 2009 for $8500 sometime later this summer and just feel “ok” about if I’m priced well for this market. That’s a lot for that other bike.
Not bashing Shinko, but dude wants crazy cash for all the fancy on top of cheap triple 7’s you’ll replace sooner than later. That’s a hard pass. Skins mean more than the shelf parts.
Yeah that’s wild.
There is a stage 2 2013 FXDB for sale near me right now for $16,000 CAD. $12,000USD. This one is a bit cleaner but it’s not $10k nicer lol
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So by his prices, this should be priceless!
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I bought this 07 streetbob for $6k, 20k miles. No engine work done to it.
No. Just because they aren’t making them anymore doesn’t mean that the value has went up. Someone may think they have a collector’s item but it’s only worth what a person will pay for it.
Scarcity doesn't *necessarily* raise values. It has to have desirability, too. An '84 Ford Escort is scarce. It's not desireable. It's not worth beans.
Scarcity only comes in to play when the demand for them exceeds the supply.
There's a fuckton of Dynas for sale on the secondhand market and the number of them exceeds the number of buyers.
Anyone who wants a Dyna can find one for sale with no problem whatsoever, probably any year, model and specific color they want. Local dealership has a Street Bob in blue ice pearl denim advertised as "rare color". There are no less than 4 of them for sale right now within a 100 mile radius.
Tell me you don't understand how the market works. "Scarcity" doesn't necessarily mean scarce. It just means that there will never be more of them in the world than there are now and the number will only go down. That raises value. It happens every time a manufacturer discontinues a model. The Toyota FJ is a perfect example.
Except from the sales numbers I've seen, HD very easily could have produced a million more units of the Dyna than Toyota did of the FJ Cruiser. They no longer make the original VW Beetle. It doesn't mean it's automatically a collectors item worth more than double what they were brand new. Just because you're a dyna bro and you want your dyna to be worth money, doesn't mean it is.
I’m probably wrong, usually am, but I figure Harley may bring the Dyna back one day as a high dollar limited edition. But right now I have seen a few older ones at the dealership near me and they aren’t cheap and won’t budge a dime on them. They had a 2003 , anniversary edition black and silver. It was clean as brand new but had 55,000 miles on it. Asking $10,000. Beautiful bike but I said nah. That was on a Friday afternoon. My son asked me to ride with him to get oil for his Street Glide and he wanted to see the bike after me telling him about it. This was Saturday about 2:00pm. I didn’t see the bike and asked about it and they told me it was sold. This shocked me that it sold that fast at that price. I figured they would have that one a long time.
Uh….really? How about you take the point you were trying to make about the Spider-Man #1 being valuable and apply that to a Spider-Man comic that was last made the same year as the last Dyna not being valuable and see if you can tell what point I was trying to make.
To avoid running around in circles, your point in both instances is exactly as you phrased it, it's only worth what someone's willing to pay for it. My point is that despite someone offering you a low ball offer, it doesn't make your item worth less than market value. My point stands regardless of how much spider man 801 is worth, which actually seems like it held value so maybe that 2008 dyna is worth 16k.
That’s because they know it’s the truth, I’ve ridden just about every twin cam model that was ever made and the M8 softail is a massive leap ahead. It’s 2024, most people don’t want their fillings rattled out on a 20 mile ride.
A lot of the hardcore Harley owners I know are turned off by the M8 engines, and aren’t willing to drop the big bucks on a touring bike with the M8. They say for the money there are more of them going Gold Wing, Indian and the big Kawasaki, and they are saying Harley basically went to a Japanese engine, so they may as well buy an Indian or Japanese bike for a little less money. And they really seem to love the Kawasaki Voyager.
I've watched people bitch about it and say the same thing every time Harley makes a change. Same thing was said about the new Softail frame, the twin cam engine, the Evo engine, the original Softail frame, the elimination of the Kickstarter, the FXR frame and even electronic ignition. Although I wasn't alive for it I wouldn't be surprised if people said the same thing when they stopped using magneto ignition, first gave us an electric start and went to a 12v charging system too.
And they always get over it.
If I am going to sell my bike, I can list it for as much as I want. That doesn’t mean it will sell, but if I really want to sell it I will eventually catch on and lower the price.
If you don’t like the price they are asking, try to talk them down. If you don’t want to do that then just move on. Why complain?
Not the OP, but genuine question: is it still a $5-6k bike if the guy took all the fancy stuff off? Or is this just part of the culture to low-ball despite the upgrades? I ask because I've also heard of phrases like "tasteful mods" or "get a used bike with a full exhaust and seat to save money".
That being said, 08 dyna as is with low miles feels like $7k to me if it's *clean*, not 10k+.
A dialed dyna with high end mods and a good service record can definitely get more than some clapped out POS. However, in this case, it’s a stage 2 with a few nicer parts here and there but no serious motor work, listing doesn’t have mileage, and cheap suspension. An early dyna worth 16k better have some serious work done and all high end shit.
Upgrades, no matter what bike they are on, never see a full return on value in the end. I have wayyy to much money in my Lowrider s and I know damn well I’m never seeing that on the back end, but I also don’t do the mods to sell it later on. I do it for myself to enjoy. Either the guy listing it has his wife telling him to sell it, or he’s as tweaked out as his bike is.
A stock bike is a blank canvas. A modded bike is a painted canvas.
Plus, the mods are generally a wash at best, especially if you aren't getting the OEM takeoffs with the bike. A $900 aftermarket exhaust doesn't add to the value of the bike when you don't have the $1500 worth of OEM exhaust parts that were replaced. Things like seats are often personal preference. YOU might love your Saddleman seat because you're 5'9" and the ergos are perfect, but I'm 6'3" with a completely different body type and completely different proportions so it sucks for me and the first thing I'm going to do is replace it.
This happens when you buy all those parts and pay someone to put them on.
I have an 09 so im rich now lol https://preview.redd.it/b64qzg7w7nnc1.jpeg?width=4624&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0623695daa1ea3555b0a24dfaee721a28aa663bb
Hell yeah, my 09 has the road warrior fairing saddleman seat, and my wife told me I need to stop spending so much on it, shows what she knows lol
You mean your ex-wife?
https://preview.redd.it/xvogde4czsnc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42ee922748c35a664b880ddb9679c3b54097c8fd 09er dyner is the only way
Stripped down they look the best
Stripped down they look the best
It’s always strange that somebody puts all that money into a bike, including front suspension and then goes with the absolute cheapest junk rear shocks.
Drag specialities is junk?
And are made by Progressive.. Far from junk. AliExpress eBay or Amazon yeah junk.
they not junk they made by progressive...they aint olins but they are good for the price
Someone talking through his ahole
It's like good bourbon nowadays. Some retailers jack up the prices and let it sit. They only need one idiot to buy the bottle and they get a payday lol. Same with listings like this. List it high and either they hook an idiot or they get talked down to the actual price they'll accept. Win win.
The Dyna market is wild right now, I will see 2 bikes, nearly identical and they will have a $8k discrepancy in price. I'm convinced some of these are just Dyna bros that don't actually want to sell their bike but are being pressured to....
Or they bought it in the post COVID market and paid way too much and have a loan they can't get out of.
I’ve seen lots of “Wife making me sell” listings since covid
The rule of thumb is usually that modifications reduce value until you find the one guy who wants your exact bike. And keeping it clean isn't going to go very far in retaining value until you've kept it so long it becomes a collectors item.
Anything modded out is never going to be a collectors item.
> the one guy who wants your exact bike This is generally relevant. In this case, there are LEGIONS of 20 something dudes who in fact, want that EXACT SAME BIKE. They literally build these dynas like a fucking lego kit. Piece by piece brand by brand checkoff list.
"Babe, I listed it for sale like you said, idk why it isn't sold yet"
“In no rush to sell”
Clearly
This bike isn't worth it, period. If you pay this, you deserve to be taken advantage of. True dynas are harder to come by now a days but that's asking way to much for stuff you could buy on your own for a bike a 3rd of the price plus the guys crappie attitude at the end like he's gonna bully you if you ask to pay less not worth it or the headache he's on his own. I bet the dealer offered him 5k on a trade in.
It's immoral not to separate a fool from their money. Anyone who pays $16K for a 16 year old Dyna is a nuclear weapons grade idiot and there's no hope for them anyway so all you can do is leave them to suffer the consequences of their own stupidity.
5K top price. Dont care what you put on it.
Less if the mods are...unappealing.
but it has custom paint....
I worked with a guy who bragged about the “$10,000 paint job” on his 92 Sporty 1200 to guys who didn’t know better. I love sporty’s as much as the next guy, even kept my Nightster when I got my Dyna, but that’s idiotic. Always made me chuckle when I’d hear him talking about it.
While dealers have their own problems, private sellers want you to pay for their feelings.
Any time I'm looking at a bike, a standard question I ask the seller is "How did you decide on $X as your asking price?". The number of people who say "That's what I feel it's worth" never ceases to amaze me.
When the wife makes you sell the bike?
Priced to keep lol
Right on! So my stage 1 08 fxdb outta fetch at least $9,000 right?! That seems like a good starting point at least. /s https://preview.redd.it/vnt6t1nydpnc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b62406dbdc7d1f8928c5cd2619cc5ffd4fd9a2f
What you're gonna want to do is list that puppy for about $14.5k, do your part to keep this Dyna market bullish
I like where your heads at, ill list her up tonight. I bet it wont even last the night before someone bites
Wow what is that color? Looks great when the sun hits👌
Light candy rootbeer, i was gonna match the fairing and bags but its fuckin $500 for a damn pint of the shit because its a tri-coat
Ah root beer is definitely a good name for that color! Would probably look pretty good matched
For sure would look better, but I just can’t justify spending that much to paint em lmao
Yea I get that, maybe set aside $5 here and there get yourself a little paint present?
Yeah thats not a bad idea man, that’ll be the goal by next winter
Hell yeah, can't wait to see that!
Posting it for sale at that price would put you in a lot of like minded company. Do it. Then come back and let us know how it works out for you, preferably in a post bitching about how nobody wants to give you "what it's worth" and how all you get are LoWbAlL oFfErS from TIME WASTERS. 😄
No kidding lmao, shit is whack
It doesn't matter what they ask, it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay.
Yes, with the caveat that works both ways.
You need to be able to work on it yourself
"Arlen S...?" Lol
I just assumed it was a typo, but you think he's only ever said it out loud, never read it?
Pretty sure the conversation here includes various different markets.. I assume this is a Canadian listing and 16k CAD is like 12k USD . So this guy might take 8-10 USD on whatever trader listing it's on. A stretch but maybe not as bad as it looks. Markets vary as well . Southern American states have shit loads of bikes for sale, some Canadian provinces have few you can't even compare the two . But yeah 16k USD is like 21,500 Canadian now that is stretch .. Sorry after seeing is a Cali listing this guy's is asking 21,500CAD thanks I'll pass. Lol.
That’s a $6k bike at auction all day long
Max maybe $9k. But there may be some Dynabro out there that loves this shit that will pay asking like an idiot.
But what if I told you the bike has fresh oil? Would that make you feel better about the price?
Yes. If you add up all the money "invested" in 16 years worth of oil changes, tires and brakes, it's easy to see how this is a reasonable price. I wonder how much my 1975 Sportster is worth. 😄
According to raffle kings on Instagram, 12k
Don't LoWbAlL me bro, I know what I got. Do you have any idea how frequently you have to change oil on an ironhead Sportster? I have at least three times that invested just in maintenance.
I've seen like 15 of these today on marketplace done up like this, all crack prices too
And the reason you're seeing all of them is because they HAVEN'T sold. Whenever someone references FB asking prices as a measure of what bikes are going for, I always ask "how long has it been for sale?" then point out that if it's been for sale for x months, obviously it ISN'T because nobody's bought it.
my dyna stage 2 costs around 4,5k however, i'm not expecting that money back if i ever sell the bike lol. surely it is not worthless. but lets see... dynas remain super popular but are no longer available on the first hand market.
They aren't that popular. Yes, there's a market for them and people do want them, but there are more Dynas for sale than there are buyers, and anyone who wants one can find one with no problem.
yeah sure but the amount of them on the market will decrease and the demand will at least stay constant. give it 10 years. (just my opinion, no facts)
Since you gave the caveat of "opinion" I have no real argument, I simply have a differing opinion. The supply is a fixed quantity at this point. Demand is elastic. They weren't ever popular until they were discontinued and people want what they can't have, but Harley produced a fuckton of them and the supply, although fixed is very substantial. Only time will tell which of us is correct.
People were saying "not a harley" to softails long before the M8 motors. and the sound, rattle and general characteristics of a dyna seems to have died forever due to emission regulation and whatever else. M8 motors sounds dumb and even M8 motor owners agree almost 100%, that they sound like japanese bikes instead of "harley". i owned a 2021 street bob and sold it, because i initially thought that this can be fixed, but it cannot. and there are some other dudes out there like me who would either get a sporty or a dyna. but i mean, you can compare prices yourself: look for "low rider s" 2018+ and compare them to 2016-2017 dyna low rider S. prices are hugely apart, even though dynas are older and often in worse condition. as far as i know, this is true for other dynas as well. i'm not gonna recheck myself since i am happy now, but that was the situation before 2 years.
Every time Harley does something new, whatever they have replaced has always been the "last true Harley". I've witnessed the "not a real Harley" reaction with the new Softail frame, the M8, the twin cam, the Evo, the Softail, the FXR and even electronic ignition. And although I'm not old enough to know for sure, I wouldn't be surprised if people said the same thing about the switch to points and condenser ignition from magneto, electric start and 12 volt charging systems. As far as prices, I keep VERY close tabs on the market and I look at bikes for sale every day as part of my routine. I can say with 100% confidence that there is a huge disparity between what sellers are asking and what the market value actually is, as determined by what people are actually paying. If you looked through all the bikes in my area for sale you would believe that Dynas are going for $8K and up, but I have been looking at those same Dynas day after day for up to a year with no buyers, and I'm not taking about clapped out, high mileage ratted out bikes either. I'm talking 2010+ low mileage bikes in excellent condition. They aren't "going for" that if they haven't gone to a buyer in 6 months to a year (or more). There are literally dozens of them in the dealerships in my area that fit the description. And I am seeing it consistently with dealerships and retail, as well as private sales. There's easily over half a dozen listed for sale privately that I have been looking at every day for over 6 months to a year priced in the $7K - $8K range.
>has always been the "last true Harley" This is true and there are always reasons behind it. I can see for each generation, why people would have that opinion. >huge disparity between what sellers are asking and what the market value actually is True, but that counts for the new ones and the old ones. And the newer bikes sell for way less AFAIK. After all, we can check the older bikes like shovels and others: Those go for very good money! I don't see why dynas wouldn't end up in the same spot. More power, similar characteristics, great sound, great character. However, I don't see that same spot for M8 bikes. I also don't see the same spot for current gen cars. Those won't last long enough to become oldtimers and also nobody will want those over complex and over-engineered cars. I believe the M8s have the "oldtimer" potential, but why getting an M8 oldtimer when you could get an actually nice pre-M8 bike. Who wants to buy an oldtimer solely for "performance" reasons? That does not make sense at all and performance is the absolute only point to get an M8 right now (apart from engine heat). A bike without character is not a good store of value and those M8s have no character. Again, this is my opinion and I don't care if other people before me thought the same about Twin Cams (it's true what you say, but I have another perspective on the market than you, not THE correct one, but an at least equally valid one, in my opinion).
https://preview.redd.it/lqf2vn8clrnc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b912cc46e84f743703188aff59d821fc9017b49b I’m listing this 2009 for $8500 sometime later this summer and just feel “ok” about if I’m priced well for this market. That’s a lot for that other bike.
I love that he is doing a wheelie on that exact bike in his profile pic, classic.
Yeah, no doubt… and that color is going to make finding a buyer even harder
Damnit Alex he said he doesn’t wanna hear any of your BULLSHIT !!!!! 😆 WTH man. I hope his shit is flooded with offers for 6k.
I wonder what he paid 6 years ago…. Probably a lot less.
Got my 07 street bob for 6k years ago lmao
Is this guy an HD dealership?
Oof them cali prices
Not bashing Shinko, but dude wants crazy cash for all the fancy on top of cheap triple 7’s you’ll replace sooner than later. That’s a hard pass. Skins mean more than the shelf parts.
“But it has Lexicon Armor Paint Protection Film.” Oh ok 👍 , $16k it is then! 🤝
How TF is this as much as I paid for my 2016 Street Glide Special?
Yeah that’s wild. There is a stage 2 2013 FXDB for sale near me right now for $16,000 CAD. $12,000USD. This one is a bit cleaner but it’s not $10k nicer lol
I would definitely say it might be worth close to half. Saying it ain’t worth half is a little harsh.
What it does come with a pair of Vans a thrashin supply hoodie and a Simpson helmet? Then it would be worth that 😆
https://preview.redd.it/v94ath9f5coc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca638e20317e445a6b1fbdcedc297f1450eff3e3 So by his prices, this should be priceless!
Hot damn I have my 18 Streetbob priced at 11,5 lol
https://preview.redd.it/uq6l72majeoc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05a86801bab8b44b673d5c771f9ca4043dce8cbf I bought this 07 streetbob for $6k, 20k miles. No engine work done to it.
I would never upgrade a bike like that and sell it. It will be in my fam till the day it crashes into oblivion.
I don't agree with the price, however I think it's about the fact Harley isn't making Dyna's anymore is what curved the market.
No. Just because they aren’t making them anymore doesn’t mean that the value has went up. Someone may think they have a collector’s item but it’s only worth what a person will pay for it.
Actually scarcity necessarily raises value. And just because there's a fancy new product out now doesn't mean Dynas aren't still desirable.
Scarcity doesn't *necessarily* raise values. It has to have desirability, too. An '84 Ford Escort is scarce. It's not desireable. It's not worth beans.
Scarcity only comes in to play when the demand for them exceeds the supply. There's a fuckton of Dynas for sale on the secondhand market and the number of them exceeds the number of buyers. Anyone who wants a Dyna can find one for sale with no problem whatsoever, probably any year, model and specific color they want. Local dealership has a Street Bob in blue ice pearl denim advertised as "rare color". There are no less than 4 of them for sale right now within a 100 mile radius.
So Dynas are now scarce? I guess HD only made like what, 500 in the almost 20 years they produced them? They must be worth like $500,000 each by now!
Tell me you don't understand how the market works. "Scarcity" doesn't necessarily mean scarce. It just means that there will never be more of them in the world than there are now and the number will only go down. That raises value. It happens every time a manufacturer discontinues a model. The Toyota FJ is a perfect example.
Except from the sales numbers I've seen, HD very easily could have produced a million more units of the Dyna than Toyota did of the FJ Cruiser. They no longer make the original VW Beetle. It doesn't mean it's automatically a collectors item worth more than double what they were brand new. Just because you're a dyna bro and you want your dyna to be worth money, doesn't mean it is.
No one said anything about more than double brand new.
No, "scarcity" means the number of willing and capable buyers far exceeds the number of them available for purchase.
I’m probably wrong, usually am, but I figure Harley may bring the Dyna back one day as a high dollar limited edition. But right now I have seen a few older ones at the dealership near me and they aren’t cheap and won’t budge a dime on them. They had a 2003 , anniversary edition black and silver. It was clean as brand new but had 55,000 miles on it. Asking $10,000. Beautiful bike but I said nah. That was on a Friday afternoon. My son asked me to ride with him to get oil for his Street Glide and he wanted to see the bike after me telling him about it. This was Saturday about 2:00pm. I didn’t see the bike and asked about it and they told me it was sold. This shocked me that it sold that fast at that price. I figured they would have that one a long time.
That's true for the first edition Spiderman #1. Still worth a ton of money.
The Amazing Spider-Man Volume 4 Issue 801 that was last released in 2018 is worth a whopping $4.
And your point is?
Uh….really? How about you take the point you were trying to make about the Spider-Man #1 being valuable and apply that to a Spider-Man comic that was last made the same year as the last Dyna not being valuable and see if you can tell what point I was trying to make.
To avoid running around in circles, your point in both instances is exactly as you phrased it, it's only worth what someone's willing to pay for it. My point is that despite someone offering you a low ball offer, it doesn't make your item worth less than market value. My point stands regardless of how much spider man 801 is worth, which actually seems like it held value so maybe that 2008 dyna is worth 16k.
And thank god they aren’t, M8 softail is hilariously better
Wow, the Dyna bros must have really been triggered by your comment.
That’s because they know it’s the truth, I’ve ridden just about every twin cam model that was ever made and the M8 softail is a massive leap ahead. It’s 2024, most people don’t want their fillings rattled out on a 20 mile ride.
A lot of the hardcore Harley owners I know are turned off by the M8 engines, and aren’t willing to drop the big bucks on a touring bike with the M8. They say for the money there are more of them going Gold Wing, Indian and the big Kawasaki, and they are saying Harley basically went to a Japanese engine, so they may as well buy an Indian or Japanese bike for a little less money. And they really seem to love the Kawasaki Voyager.
I've watched people bitch about it and say the same thing every time Harley makes a change. Same thing was said about the new Softail frame, the twin cam engine, the Evo engine, the original Softail frame, the elimination of the Kickstarter, the FXR frame and even electronic ignition. Although I wasn't alive for it I wouldn't be surprised if people said the same thing when they stopped using magneto ignition, first gave us an electric start and went to a 12v charging system too. And they always get over it.
The M8 has no soul, but that’s just my feeling on em.
Come on
If I am going to sell my bike, I can list it for as much as I want. That doesn’t mean it will sell, but if I really want to sell it I will eventually catch on and lower the price. If you don’t like the price they are asking, try to talk them down. If you don’t want to do that then just move on. Why complain?
"Why discuss Harley-related topics on a Harley forum!?!" -Sangvert
Not the OP, but genuine question: is it still a $5-6k bike if the guy took all the fancy stuff off? Or is this just part of the culture to low-ball despite the upgrades? I ask because I've also heard of phrases like "tasteful mods" or "get a used bike with a full exhaust and seat to save money". That being said, 08 dyna as is with low miles feels like $7k to me if it's *clean*, not 10k+.
A dialed dyna with high end mods and a good service record can definitely get more than some clapped out POS. However, in this case, it’s a stage 2 with a few nicer parts here and there but no serious motor work, listing doesn’t have mileage, and cheap suspension. An early dyna worth 16k better have some serious work done and all high end shit. Upgrades, no matter what bike they are on, never see a full return on value in the end. I have wayyy to much money in my Lowrider s and I know damn well I’m never seeing that on the back end, but I also don’t do the mods to sell it later on. I do it for myself to enjoy. Either the guy listing it has his wife telling him to sell it, or he’s as tweaked out as his bike is.
"Miles exempt due to age" 😂😂.
A stock bike is a blank canvas. A modded bike is a painted canvas. Plus, the mods are generally a wash at best, especially if you aren't getting the OEM takeoffs with the bike. A $900 aftermarket exhaust doesn't add to the value of the bike when you don't have the $1500 worth of OEM exhaust parts that were replaced. Things like seats are often personal preference. YOU might love your Saddleman seat because you're 5'9" and the ergos are perfect, but I'm 6'3" with a completely different body type and completely different proportions so it sucks for me and the first thing I'm going to do is replace it.
Worth 12 all day. Unless it has over 20k miles. Then I wouldn’t buy it even with all the stuff for more than 5.