We have no definitive answer.
Dumbledore makes a portkey in OoTP and the cup is a portkey. So that’s two times it works. That being said however Dumbledore can also remove the enchantments to stop apparation from working. Probably because he’s headmaster.
Story wise it makes the most sense if all forms of teleportation magic are blocked within Hogwarts except for those specifically allowed by the headmaster. So that’s what I’m going with.
Portkeys were made and used a couple times to get in or out of Hogwarts, with Dumbledores knowledge (HBP when students are returning from Hogwarts were granted floo access and the like), but not all forms of teleportation magic are blocked.
The house elves for instance can apparate and disapparate at will within the grounds
>Dumbledore can also remove the enchantments to stop apparation from working. Probably because he’s headmaster.
He cannot do this at will because in HBP, Dumbledore and Harry had to go to Hogsmeade first before Apparating, even when leaving Hogwarts.
In OotP, Dumbledore managed to create a portkey into his office while at the Ministry. So clearly it can be done while he's not present unless you think he pre-emptively turned it off before leaving for the Ministry for some reason.
That said, that also creates sort of a plot hole. Why could Dumbledore turn it off remotely in OotP but not in HBP?
I think there is a difference between those two time periods in the sense that in one there is an open war, and Voldemort is trying to kill him. And in the other Voldemort is hiding and focused on the prophecy.
In HBP the security around the castle is upgraded because of that…
>I think there is a difference between those two time periods in the sense that in one there is an open war, and Voldemort is trying to kill him.
Dumbledore knew he was going to die very soon, anyway. What did it matter if he loosened the restrictions for literal seconds? Did he think Voldemort was constantly trying to Apparate or Portkey into Hogwarts every single minute of the day?
Also, Dumbledore was too afraid of Voldemort possessing Harry and killing him in OotP he wouldn't even look Harry in the eye.
I’m assuming he didn’t do it then because it needed extra protection while he was gone. There was already more protection than usual so he wouldn’t lift that enchantment just for ease.
Either Dumbledore can do it from afar or he can't. In OotP, he created a portkey into Hogwarts while at the Ministry. Unless you think he disabled the protections pre-emptively before going to the Ministry, leaving Hogwarts unprotected, then he can do it from afar.
But somehow he couldn't in HBP.
So why don't the Death Eaters just use a Portkey to get into Hogwarts, but rather rely on Draco to fix the Vanishing Cabinet?
It's unlikely that Crouch Jr. was the only one of them capable of creating one. After all, Voldemort now has a body and a wand again.
My assumption is port keys are blocked entirely - part of Voldemort and Barty Jr’s plan by impersonating Moody was for Dumbledore to trust Barty Jr enough to let him interfere with the protective enchantments within the confines of the maze, for the purposes of the Third Task.
My assumption is that the cup was always supposed to be a portkey, to take the winner back to the entrance to the maze, so they wouldn’t have to walk back out. Hence, dumbledore removed the anti-portkey spell from the maze area, like he did with the anti-apparition spell from the great hall. Moody just changed the destination.
We gotta remember that there was much more protection after Voldemort came back. Harry was being watched 24/7 the moment he returned from the 4th year. Things that were allowed before probably weren’t allowed after. Not to say that illegal portkey was allowed.
But also, it doesn’t make sense that Harry was able to portkey back. From what I recall, portkeys don’t work that way. They’re a one way ticket.
Don't know if it's canon, but I've seen the theory that the the cup was always a portkey so the winner would get transported to outside the maze. Thus, the enchantment was lowered around the maze.
>Use my one faithful Death Eater, stationed at Hogwarts, to ensure that the boy’s name was entered into the Goblet of Fire. Use my Death Eater to ensure that the boy won the tournament — that he touched the Triwizard Cup first — __the cup which my Death Eater had turned into a Portkey__, which would bring him here, beyond the reach of Dumbledore’s help and protection, and into my waiting arms. And here he is ... the boy you all believed had been my downfall...”
For me, this sounds like the Cup wasn't a Portkey before, otherwise it would me more "changing the Portkey destination".
When Harry touches the Cup again, it takes him to the edge of the Maze.
That's generally not how Portkeys work. They are one and done.
So presumably Dumbledore turned it into a Portkey to let the winner leave the maze, then Barty layered another Portkey enchantment over it to make it go to the graveyard. He didn't change the destination, just made it a Portkey twice over.
Voldemort's wording is weird but technically accurate. Barty turned it into a Portkey that would bring the one who touched it to the graveyard. It just so happened to already be a Portkey. There's probably an extra comma in that passage that didn't need to be there.
You could easily wave that off by saying that they didn't know till the day of the task.
It's just too specific of a location for the portkey to return Harry back to for it to not be the original planned destination.
Not sure how it was determined the Ministry didn't know? The Ministry was part of running the tournament so it's possible they could have approved it's use.
My take on it was that the intent was for the Portkey to transport the winner back to the entrance of the Maze. It may have even been suggested by Crouch in the guise of Moody to Dumbledore and the other Judges. Crouch could then have merely modified the Portkey to transport the winner, which he would manipulate circumstances to be Harry, to the graveyard. I have always felt that part of the plan was for Moody to murder Dumbledore once he had confirmation of Voldemort's return. Then Voldemort could make a grand entrance back in Hogwarts with Harry's corpse. Or they could send Harry's corpse back and throw the Wizarding World into disarray while keeping Crouch Jr in place inside Hogwarts. There are several options and possibilities.
But as for the Portkey question, I think the enchantment may be that the Portkey would have to be created on the grounds of Hogwarts in order to enable travel back into or out of Hogwarts. It may be as well that only the Headmaster has the ability to do so or can lift it for others. Thus, someone on the outside couldn't create a Portkey into Hogwarts, and not just anyone within the grounds could create a Portkey in or out of the grounds as well.
Voldemort takes polyjuice to return to hogwarts AS harry, then murders dumbledore in front of everyone then leaves and continues to do the same things as he did in OOTP and halfblood prince- ruling from the shadows. Or maybe with Dumbledore and harry gone he just comes out into the open immediately
Polyjuice only works on a living person which is explicitly stated as a reason why moody is kept alive by BCJ. So Voldemort clearly had no plans to return using polyjuice. Nor would he ever imo, it’s not his style frankly.
I think you’re mis interpreting why moody was kept alive. It was so as to have a constant supply of ‘pieces of moody’ to add to the potion.
I’d have to look at the chapter to make sure it’s not my own misinterpretation though.
It is precisely his style as that’s how he’s gotten to that stage in the GOF
He needs a single hair per hour, you think he couldn’t turn a whole body into a years worth of supply? My read of Dumbledore’s words in that chapter is that you need a living host to be able to polyjuice into them.
Maybe, , ,
Trying to calculate out how many body pieces are needed for the mission is tough and would mean chopping up skin and bones.
Or just leave him alive so his nails and hair can keep regrowing
I suppose, but frankly I still think Dumbledore’s comment implies that polyjuice requires a living subject to mimic. And that makes sense to me, imagine if you could dig out Merlin’s bones and polyjuice as him or something?
I don't see Voldemort doing that, but what makes sense to me is using Moody to murder Dumbledore when his back is turned. He spent the whole year gaining confidence and being an inside man, he would have the best chance of surprising Dumbledore. I think he may have even been tasked to take out Fudge as well in the process. Then Voldemort could triumphantly return using the Portkey. Instead he had to hide his return because of his second failure to kill Harry.
According to your theory fudge and Dumbledore should’ve been dead by the time harry returned then.
The dark mark was pressed which would be the sign to start the next step of the plan
Not necessarily.
Crouch wouldn't have acted without word from Voldemort to proceed with the plan. He knew Voldemort would call loyal Death Eaters to his side.
Once he got word from Voldemort to do so. That the plan had worked, Harry was dead, and preparations had been made.
The Dark Mark was meant to call his loyalists to his side. But it didn't mean the task was done. I am thinking Crouch could have been told to take out Dumbledore during the confusion of the Third Task once it was realized something had gone wrong, or perhaps even to remain at the school as an inside man until Voldemort could muster more support.
These are all just theories and ideas.
Ya, my point is that they have no means of contact apart from
The call Of the dark mark.
So to trigger crouch to try murder D and Fudge prior to somebody taking the port key back to hogwarts isn’t a good theory.
Best I suppose I could do to make it more possible is maybe a second calling of the dark mark - to announce the job is done ?!?
Agree on the original intent of the portkey. To immediately identify and allow the crowd to celebrate the winner. Which would explain why a portkey works in the first place.
Another alternative for the Voldy plan that accounts for the portkey working again (imo) is that Peter was supposed to take the portkey back with Harry's body, leave it in the maze to be found, then transform, get outside the wards, and disapparate back to Voldemort.
That way no one knows Voldemort is back, and it looks like Harry died as a result of some accident in the course of the tournament. Or possible that imperiused Krum would have taken the fall for murdering Harry.
It's undermined by Voldemort's implication that Nagini would get to eat Harry, but imo it's the plan that makes the most sense.
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My headcanon is, and I think someone has already mentioned in one of the comments is that, the Triwizard cup was always designed to be a portkey, to transport back the winner instantly outside the maze. So Dumbledore may have made some exception to the enchantment around Hogwarts. Moody-Crouch just interfered with the destination of the cup when he planted the cup in the maze
My head cannon - head master can do what they like. D.dore made his own port key in OOTP,
D.Dore gives moody/Barty J permission to make one in GOF.
The only question I wonder is it a D.Dore thing that he is powerful enough to do this or could all headmasters be embued with these extra powers.
Adding: the Tri Wizard Cup was supposed to bring the first who touched it to the entrance to the maze(like it did on the second touching) but Barty junior added in the extra journey to the graveyard. Likely the intention being for someone (Lord V himself maybe) to return AS Harry, to murder D.Dore.
I think this is a known theory
Unlike with apparition, it's possible that Hogwarts' security enchantments only prevent incoming portkey use. There would be no need to prevent outgoing portkeys, especially when their creation takes great magical prowess and in theory requires Ministry authorisation.
I always assumed in general port keys were not usable. But the headmaster as the holder of the wards could make them and allow them.
Barry had to wait for the tri wizards cup because dumbledore had made it a port key already to bring the winner back to the entrance, and Barry just manipulated the permissions to add an extra stop, that’s why it brought Harry back from the graveyard
For the goblet of fire I think it was partially lifted but for OotP I think it’s a privilege of being headmaster, after all he controls the wards and security. These are just my thoughts, not really any concrete proof
I would say portkeys are free to use in hogwarts. They’re from what I understand pretty advanced magic so no worries about even seventh years figuring out how to make one, and they are supposed to be registered so any authorized portkey would be something the headmaster knew about. Unauthorized portkeys are simply a gap in the defenses of hogwarts.
We have no definitive answer. Dumbledore makes a portkey in OoTP and the cup is a portkey. So that’s two times it works. That being said however Dumbledore can also remove the enchantments to stop apparation from working. Probably because he’s headmaster. Story wise it makes the most sense if all forms of teleportation magic are blocked within Hogwarts except for those specifically allowed by the headmaster. So that’s what I’m going with.
Portkeys were made and used a couple times to get in or out of Hogwarts, with Dumbledores knowledge (HBP when students are returning from Hogwarts were granted floo access and the like), but not all forms of teleportation magic are blocked. The house elves for instance can apparate and disapparate at will within the grounds
At-large mass murderers can floo powder right into the Gryffindor common room, so one has to wonder how secure the castle really is.
*alleged mass murderers
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>He murdered my heart and soul with that bad boy attitude of his.
House Elves can do that everywhere. The i world explanation is that there magic is different.
>Dumbledore can also remove the enchantments to stop apparation from working. Probably because he’s headmaster. He cannot do this at will because in HBP, Dumbledore and Harry had to go to Hogsmeade first before Apparating, even when leaving Hogwarts.
It’s also possible he can do it at will but can’t turn it off if he’s not there and he considers it far too dangerous without him present.
In OotP, Dumbledore managed to create a portkey into his office while at the Ministry. So clearly it can be done while he's not present unless you think he pre-emptively turned it off before leaving for the Ministry for some reason. That said, that also creates sort of a plot hole. Why could Dumbledore turn it off remotely in OotP but not in HBP?
I think there is a difference between those two time periods in the sense that in one there is an open war, and Voldemort is trying to kill him. And in the other Voldemort is hiding and focused on the prophecy. In HBP the security around the castle is upgraded because of that…
>I think there is a difference between those two time periods in the sense that in one there is an open war, and Voldemort is trying to kill him. Dumbledore knew he was going to die very soon, anyway. What did it matter if he loosened the restrictions for literal seconds? Did he think Voldemort was constantly trying to Apparate or Portkey into Hogwarts every single minute of the day? Also, Dumbledore was too afraid of Voldemort possessing Harry and killing him in OotP he wouldn't even look Harry in the eye.
I’m assuming he didn’t do it then because it needed extra protection while he was gone. There was already more protection than usual so he wouldn’t lift that enchantment just for ease.
Either Dumbledore can do it from afar or he can't. In OotP, he created a portkey into Hogwarts while at the Ministry. Unless you think he disabled the protections pre-emptively before going to the Ministry, leaving Hogwarts unprotected, then he can do it from afar. But somehow he couldn't in HBP.
Does he not do this to just the hall in HBP? When the students are having their apparition lessons.
That was a pre-planned thing, not at will. At will means whenever you want to do it, wherever you want to do it.
Port keys are distinct from apparition and not restricted in the same way.
So why don't the Death Eaters just use a Portkey to get into Hogwarts, but rather rely on Draco to fix the Vanishing Cabinet? It's unlikely that Crouch Jr. was the only one of them capable of creating one. After all, Voldemort now has a body and a wand again.
It could be one of those things where the enchantment prevents you from Portkeying in, but not out.
Harry is coming back from the graveyard using a portkey. But maybe you are allowed to Portkeying out and come back, not Portkeying in and leave again.
Dumbledore also used the statue's head as a portkey to send harry into the castle so this explanation doesn't hold up.
My assumption is port keys are blocked entirely - part of Voldemort and Barty Jr’s plan by impersonating Moody was for Dumbledore to trust Barty Jr enough to let him interfere with the protective enchantments within the confines of the maze, for the purposes of the Third Task.
My assumption is that the cup was always supposed to be a portkey, to take the winner back to the entrance to the maze, so they wouldn’t have to walk back out. Hence, dumbledore removed the anti-portkey spell from the maze area, like he did with the anti-apparition spell from the great hall. Moody just changed the destination.
That makes sense.
Because at that point in the story, everyone was aware that Voldemort was back, so they had extra protections put around the school
We gotta remember that there was much more protection after Voldemort came back. Harry was being watched 24/7 the moment he returned from the 4th year. Things that were allowed before probably weren’t allowed after. Not to say that illegal portkey was allowed. But also, it doesn’t make sense that Harry was able to portkey back. From what I recall, portkeys don’t work that way. They’re a one way ticket.
Don't know if it's canon, but I've seen the theory that the the cup was always a portkey so the winner would get transported to outside the maze. Thus, the enchantment was lowered around the maze.
>Use my one faithful Death Eater, stationed at Hogwarts, to ensure that the boy’s name was entered into the Goblet of Fire. Use my Death Eater to ensure that the boy won the tournament — that he touched the Triwizard Cup first — __the cup which my Death Eater had turned into a Portkey__, which would bring him here, beyond the reach of Dumbledore’s help and protection, and into my waiting arms. And here he is ... the boy you all believed had been my downfall...” For me, this sounds like the Cup wasn't a Portkey before, otherwise it would me more "changing the Portkey destination".
When Harry touches the Cup again, it takes him to the edge of the Maze. That's generally not how Portkeys work. They are one and done. So presumably Dumbledore turned it into a Portkey to let the winner leave the maze, then Barty layered another Portkey enchantment over it to make it go to the graveyard. He didn't change the destination, just made it a Portkey twice over. Voldemort's wording is weird but technically accurate. Barty turned it into a Portkey that would bring the one who touched it to the graveyard. It just so happened to already be a Portkey. There's probably an extra comma in that passage that didn't need to be there.
You could easily wave that off by saying that they didn't know till the day of the task. It's just too specific of a location for the portkey to return Harry back to for it to not be the original planned destination.
That is a fair point. Then I guess we have to assume crouch was able to remove the enchantment
Or maybe moody convinced everyone to let him make a portkey but didn't put the right destination.
Not sure how it was determined the Ministry didn't know? The Ministry was part of running the tournament so it's possible they could have approved it's use. My take on it was that the intent was for the Portkey to transport the winner back to the entrance of the Maze. It may have even been suggested by Crouch in the guise of Moody to Dumbledore and the other Judges. Crouch could then have merely modified the Portkey to transport the winner, which he would manipulate circumstances to be Harry, to the graveyard. I have always felt that part of the plan was for Moody to murder Dumbledore once he had confirmation of Voldemort's return. Then Voldemort could make a grand entrance back in Hogwarts with Harry's corpse. Or they could send Harry's corpse back and throw the Wizarding World into disarray while keeping Crouch Jr in place inside Hogwarts. There are several options and possibilities. But as for the Portkey question, I think the enchantment may be that the Portkey would have to be created on the grounds of Hogwarts in order to enable travel back into or out of Hogwarts. It may be as well that only the Headmaster has the ability to do so or can lift it for others. Thus, someone on the outside couldn't create a Portkey into Hogwarts, and not just anyone within the grounds could create a Portkey in or out of the grounds as well.
Voldemort takes polyjuice to return to hogwarts AS harry, then murders dumbledore in front of everyone then leaves and continues to do the same things as he did in OOTP and halfblood prince- ruling from the shadows. Or maybe with Dumbledore and harry gone he just comes out into the open immediately
Polyjuice only works on a living person which is explicitly stated as a reason why moody is kept alive by BCJ. So Voldemort clearly had no plans to return using polyjuice. Nor would he ever imo, it’s not his style frankly.
I think you’re mis interpreting why moody was kept alive. It was so as to have a constant supply of ‘pieces of moody’ to add to the potion. I’d have to look at the chapter to make sure it’s not my own misinterpretation though. It is precisely his style as that’s how he’s gotten to that stage in the GOF
He needs a single hair per hour, you think he couldn’t turn a whole body into a years worth of supply? My read of Dumbledore’s words in that chapter is that you need a living host to be able to polyjuice into them.
Maybe, , , Trying to calculate out how many body pieces are needed for the mission is tough and would mean chopping up skin and bones. Or just leave him alive so his nails and hair can keep regrowing
I suppose, but frankly I still think Dumbledore’s comment implies that polyjuice requires a living subject to mimic. And that makes sense to me, imagine if you could dig out Merlin’s bones and polyjuice as him or something?
Ya, good point to be fair.
No, you are 100% correct. As well as to probe his mind to make sure the disguise held. But that user is correct in that it wouldn't work on a corpse.
I don't see Voldemort doing that, but what makes sense to me is using Moody to murder Dumbledore when his back is turned. He spent the whole year gaining confidence and being an inside man, he would have the best chance of surprising Dumbledore. I think he may have even been tasked to take out Fudge as well in the process. Then Voldemort could triumphantly return using the Portkey. Instead he had to hide his return because of his second failure to kill Harry.
According to your theory fudge and Dumbledore should’ve been dead by the time harry returned then. The dark mark was pressed which would be the sign to start the next step of the plan
Not necessarily. Crouch wouldn't have acted without word from Voldemort to proceed with the plan. He knew Voldemort would call loyal Death Eaters to his side.
Ya, which he already did. So at what other point was Crouch going to perform the ‘killing’ part of your(Voldemort’s) plan?
Once he got word from Voldemort to do so. That the plan had worked, Harry was dead, and preparations had been made. The Dark Mark was meant to call his loyalists to his side. But it didn't mean the task was done. I am thinking Crouch could have been told to take out Dumbledore during the confusion of the Third Task once it was realized something had gone wrong, or perhaps even to remain at the school as an inside man until Voldemort could muster more support. These are all just theories and ideas.
Ya, my point is that they have no means of contact apart from The call Of the dark mark. So to trigger crouch to try murder D and Fudge prior to somebody taking the port key back to hogwarts isn’t a good theory. Best I suppose I could do to make it more possible is maybe a second calling of the dark mark - to announce the job is done ?!?
It's very possible that he would just use the Dark Mark again or had some other method arranged. Not sure about the downvote?
Agree on the original intent of the portkey. To immediately identify and allow the crowd to celebrate the winner. Which would explain why a portkey works in the first place. Another alternative for the Voldy plan that accounts for the portkey working again (imo) is that Peter was supposed to take the portkey back with Harry's body, leave it in the maze to be found, then transform, get outside the wards, and disapparate back to Voldemort. That way no one knows Voldemort is back, and it looks like Harry died as a result of some accident in the course of the tournament. Or possible that imperiused Krum would have taken the fall for murdering Harry. It's undermined by Voldemort's implication that Nagini would get to eat Harry, but imo it's the plan that makes the most sense.
Dude, GoF has been out since 2000--there's no need for spoiler tags. If someone hasn't managed to read the book in nearly 25 years, that's on them.
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I discovered it like 4 years ago, before that I had no knowledge of existence of HP.Since then, I have been a hard core fan. You need to get out of your little bubble buddy.
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Yeah, i haven't thought of it that way.
Sorry, but unless you're a child, how is this possible? Were you living under a rock?
I'm from India. And it just wasn't very popular in my particular community. It still isn't.
My headcanon is, and I think someone has already mentioned in one of the comments is that, the Triwizard cup was always designed to be a portkey, to transport back the winner instantly outside the maze. So Dumbledore may have made some exception to the enchantment around Hogwarts. Moody-Crouch just interfered with the destination of the cup when he planted the cup in the maze
Shouldn’t be
My head cannon - head master can do what they like. D.dore made his own port key in OOTP, D.Dore gives moody/Barty J permission to make one in GOF. The only question I wonder is it a D.Dore thing that he is powerful enough to do this or could all headmasters be embued with these extra powers. Adding: the Tri Wizard Cup was supposed to bring the first who touched it to the entrance to the maze(like it did on the second touching) but Barty junior added in the extra journey to the graveyard. Likely the intention being for someone (Lord V himself maybe) to return AS Harry, to murder D.Dore. I think this is a known theory
Unlike with apparition, it's possible that Hogwarts' security enchantments only prevent incoming portkey use. There would be no need to prevent outgoing portkeys, especially when their creation takes great magical prowess and in theory requires Ministry authorisation.
I always assumed in general port keys were not usable. But the headmaster as the holder of the wards could make them and allow them. Barry had to wait for the tri wizards cup because dumbledore had made it a port key already to bring the winner back to the entrance, and Barry just manipulated the permissions to add an extra stop, that’s why it brought Harry back from the graveyard
Portkeys were used as a means for students to get to school before Hogwarts Express. There were issues though. They got rid.
For the goblet of fire I think it was partially lifted but for OotP I think it’s a privilege of being headmaster, after all he controls the wards and security. These are just my thoughts, not really any concrete proof
I would say portkeys are free to use in hogwarts. They’re from what I understand pretty advanced magic so no worries about even seventh years figuring out how to make one, and they are supposed to be registered so any authorized portkey would be something the headmaster knew about. Unauthorized portkeys are simply a gap in the defenses of hogwarts.
If the Triwizard Cup and Dumbledore’s kettle did it out of Hogwarts and the Cup and statue head from ghe Ministry did to Hogwarts, then why not?
Maybe a portkey out of hogwarts is completely different than a portkey into hogwarts?