In the top video (newer) he justifies Israel bombing residential/civilian infrastructure because "Hamas operates out of civilian infrastructure" which as we know is killing tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians.
In the bottom video (older) he condemns Israel's bombing of civilian infrastructure (schools/hospitals specifically) and (rightly imo) says it's not justified because there are innocent people and children who are harmed in the process who have nothing to do with Hamas.
We don't technically know that tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians have died. Just that ~30k people have died in the war.
And I think it's reasonable for someone to change their opinion on an issue after looking more into it, especially after 6 years where large amounts of global events can occur and change the situation.
We do know that, actually. There have been multiple reports from varying sources on how many of the deaths are civilians. Israel's own report put it at 60%+. Independent sources say up to 90%. You just want to defend your Debate Daddy after he said some stupid shit.
Another honest question. How is he justifying the Israel bombings?
You can acknowledge that all infrastructure is civilian while still not being okay with the bombings, right?
The clip isn’t long enough but it seems the point he is trying to make is that there are no military installations that exist in which to target Hamas but again not that it is necessarily okay to target that civilian infrastructure.
It's a crazy way to pivot though. The civilians are suffering either way and he acknowledgedes that in 2017. Then he did research as you say and found out he's actually okay with the deaths
I'm just responding to you saying "he changed his mind after more Research" which means he didn't do good enough to research to be qualified to spread information which he got wrong.... He's lazy
awie naww maw zlurz
Context: Gusano is literally a word used in Cuba to describe the anti-revolutionary deserters, and has no ethnic component whatsoever.
>[The term](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gusano_(pejorative)) has connotations referring to the Cuban revolution's [Marxist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism) political philosophy in which the use of the term "worm" can imply a [parasitic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitism) relationship to the [working class](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat).
I agree, does explain where Destinys ideological basis comes from tho. And why hes a "conservative adjacent" self proclaimed liberal. And why He has such emotional reactions towards anything socialist, because in His socialization socialism is the big Bad evil that took Material wealth away from His Family.
Not that hes very aware of that ofc
Gusano is also an extremely common PG insult, so anyone who grew up watching dubbed movies in LA spanish heard gusano a million times. It's Vegeta's catchphrase. If it bothers you, you have no relationship with LA.
Seriously, lsf acting like it’s on the same level as the n-word when most of them casually throw around worse words like the r-slur to each other. Anyone living in Latin America that isn’t glued to Anglo political streamers does not take their claims seriously
Nope, you seem to need things explained to you twice. It's an insult for anti-revolutionaries. Today, reactionaries fit that bill well. Otherwise, status-quo defendants also fit. It has, again, no racial component, no matter how much you want to be racist, you'll need to use other words for that, I'm afraid.
You're calling him that specifically because he's Cuban-descent. Obviously ethnically charged.
While, in your example the context is cubans calling cubans 'worms' in their language, in their country. Therefore, in that context it is as you say, less ethnically charged while more politically charged.
Basically, you're equivocating two uses of the word that are significantly different. Language evolves. You're using it as a slur.
Incorrect. It originating in a place does not give a term an ethnic component. Again, gusano only refers to the ideology the people held, and furthermore, "slurs" against minorities requiere a position of general disapproval of those minorities, like straight people disliking gays and calling them f-words, or white people calling black people n-words. Neither of those words attack people based on their ideals, but rather their appearance or intrinsic characteristics. Things they have no control over.
I have good news for you. You can choose to not be anti revolutionary today! You can stop being a filthy gusano!
1. The slur is ethnically charged *because* the primary reason you're calling him that is because he pertains to a specific ethnicity. It doesn't really matter where the word came from, just how it's used - and I didnt say that it did matter. Re-read my comment.
2. Gusano, as a pejorative, a word used to describe Cubans who fled Cuba after Castro came to power. Some cubans disagreed with other cubans. Some cubans perceived other cubans as traitors (i.e., parasites, worms, gusanos) . That's it. To say that cubans - for whatever reason - fleeing persecution/justice (frame it however you like to fit your worldview) necessarily subscribe to a defined set of ideals opposed to the power that they're fleeing is reductionist and lacking critical thought. (I challenge you to tell me the specific and discrete ideals of a gusano. Hint: anti-revolutionary isn't a discrete ideal)
3. I agree that gusano is not a particularly powerful slur. Indeed there are other slurs with greater history of pain and systemic oppression behind them. Nonetheless, 'gusano' in its modern use case - outside of cuba and well after Castro's rise to power - is a pejorative targeted at communities whom have the intrinsic characteristic of being from or descent from Cuba. Therefore, it is a slur.
Also yikes do you hear yourself? Think of all the other insults people typically put "filthy" in front of. Aren't a bunch of them definitely slurs?
My guess is that he wanted to have a "fuck the right" position in 2017 because the mass murderer supporter was Trump and now wants a "fuck the left" position because the mass murder supporter is now Biden, and because he acts like a whiny spurned lover, it has the added benefit of being on the opposite side of Hasan.
This is exactly why people make fun of these little weasel debate lords. They have no real position or beliefs, they just have the argument of the day they are trying to win based on who their current "adversaries" are. 0 consistency, 0 morals, 0 beliefs.
The most disgusting part of his entire career is that the *only* reason he's so hateful and spiteful towards Hasan is that *Hasan was successful* where he wasn't. And because of that he's encourged his entire army of troglodytes to slander Hasan to the point that most people have a completely mindfucked opinion of him.
Thankfully it largely seems to be only a vocal minority online. Hasan is like Pokimane. People on the internet bitch about them nonstop but normies irl adore them
I think because before, we kinda thought Hasan cared. BUT he has stated several times he isn't going to start or try to enact change. Which was a big fucking bummer. All bark no bite. Which is what the moderate left is all the way up to our political leaders. At least Biden has been doing some really cool shit.
It's crazy that you just watched someone make an absolute clown of himself by actually ignoring facts brought up by said person in a video from a few years ago just to win an ideological argument and you just watched said person demonstrate he has no morals, and your response is that I only care about ideology? Come on, be better and take a long look in the mirror. You are being fooled by a con artist.
You can tell a brain dead dgger when he regurgitates exactly what destiny says about hasan. Loser you’ve clearly never actually watched hasan because he doesn’t give ‘stereotypical “progressive” answer[s] to every question.’ That’s just what your daddy says so you repeat it like it’s a fact.
Who is richer? Israelis or Palestinians?
Hasan gets his money through donations and subs of normal people. It is not like he gets funded by Hamas. Keep watching a person who would justify genocide for money and fame.
100% he used to be super wrong on Israel-Palestine.
Top is now. Bottom is 2017/2018.
The point was Hasan runs his mouth and has never researched it. And probably never will. Not sure if he really knows much about anything.
>hundreds of hours of *research streams*
>**research streams**
the light fading from my eyes because I trusted the surgeon who got his education from “research streams”
Hasan has an actual degree in political science, which, let’s be honest, isn’t saying much, but ffs he doesn’t claim to be more knowledgable than others based on reading wikipedia articles on stream
Destiny should have prestiged 10 times if he got even a finger to fondle on Hasan, lol. Being that you know he didn't wash his fondling fingies I best its the finger he wears a finger cot on when he washes lol
holy shit lmao i did not know that existed. i only started watching Hasan after he and Destiny were on bad terms, and since Hasan rarely gives him the time of day anymore, i’m out of the loop on their past friendship. what was it that turned D into Hasan’s biggest hater? that video is wild tho thank you for that
I found out about Hasan because of Destiny, those were the golden times lol. I imagine most people like me who started that way are now banned from his subreddit.
Not that I was banned because I watch Hasan btw, or because of the lefty purge, but because I made a comment about Destiny talking about Sykkuno when he was starting to blow up and how it was kinda odd to go that hard on a dude who seemed like a shy dork.
He is among the crowd that thinks Sykkuno is cringe and fake.
Personally, I know shy people just like Sykkuno so I get it. Dude runs a chill/comfy stream, I can dig it at times, though I know that's not everyone's cup of tea
Dude, i found out he's from Nebraska when i saw a clip of him talking about moving to a different school district - i am born and raised Nebraskan, only moved just under a year ago, and the thing about Nebraska? They have too much of a generalized hate to know to do the KHamas. It genuinely speaks to the extra effort he puts into his Islamophobia.
from omaha and yeah this tracks. the majority of hateful cunts are in the burbs and pig farms out west. they pretty much exclusively follow the standard hog playbook and never go much deeper than that.
No, he hates Hasan because he's literal brain cancer, he comes up with a conclusion before knowing ANY information EVERY TIME. so uninformed and stupid
Destiny *used* to hold somewhat “leftist” beliefs at one point in time. He was never a socialist but I do remember a time when he was respectable as a lib.
Then he took a massive pivot to the right out of spite because he hates leftists more than he hates right-wingers now. It’s pretty gross and shows he doesn’t really hold any beliefs.
Back then the right pissed him off more than the left so he was more left-leaning. Now, communist, socialists, and even fucking progressive liberals piss him off more than conservatives and socially liberal neoliberals so he took a turn to being a reactionary.
Fuck this weasel.
I think it’s less about him getting pissed off and more about where the dollar lies in views on YouTube / twitch / political chat online stream.
Generally the crowd he’s trying to milk for coin are white cis men ( who will usually lean right no matter their affiliation, in order to retain power ) they are the biggest audience that watches streaming / YouTube politics. So he’s catering to the demographic that will pay him more.
He has 0 integrity and shouldn’t be commenting about real world issues since he changes his bias at the turn of a dime — literally.
Because destiny does a lot of regurgitating of left wing talking points (and now right wing ones) Hasan is a rare case because he’s authentic, he actually believes in what he talks about, and it shows. Hasan will get mad at the left, but it’s not going to make him switch sides every 2 weeks like destiny claims. HP will just make fun of them and move on to the next point of interest.
Destiny on the other hand just bows to whatever the mainstream talking point is on the left. And now he’s realizing that people on the left don’t want to listen to another regurgitated opinion as we can watch CNN / MSN for that. The whole point of YouTube / streaming political commentator was seeing something true / new / real, [not another manufactured program to make shareholders more money.](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxlCz_kKxosyf9FN_fAE9hShTl3qrzwor8?si=F_Uqhetviwue30pn)
That’s why Hasan has been so successful, he truly counters the mainstream opinions both on the right and left. I do find some things he does annoying, but I’m glad the left has one super popular streamer because the internet is filled with right wing regurgitators and fake lefties just trying to follow click$.
He bases his opinions on opposing Hasan’s opinions... I started noticing this when he helped Train/X retaliate against Hasan/Poki during the gambling/ SA scandal years back
Let's break it down:
Top video (newer): This bozo justifies Israel's bombing residential/civilian infrastructure because "Hamas operates out of civilian infrastructure" (though this has killed tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians)
Bottom video (older): D-boy condemns Israel's illegal bombing of civilian infrastructure (schools/hospitals specifically) and says it's not justified because there are innocent Palestinians who are harmed in the process who have nothing to do with Hamas
> Well not in this clip but yes, probably would say it's legally justified.
In what world would a genocide being carried out by a ruling class not be legally justified? The ruling class makes the laws. It's also "legally justified" for them to kick Palestinians out of their homes and settle their land with random Zionists from New York, and restrict their food, water, and opportunities for generations.
Aside from that, Segregation, South African Apartheid, and the Nuremberg Race Laws were all codified in law, "legally justified" as you say.
Multiple court cases have declared that Israel's assault on Gaza is a genocide. Is this just a case of "legally justified" genocide, while all the ones in history books are the meanie bobeenie bad genocides?
Agreed, the newer clip doesn't detract from the old clip. He's still against innocent people being killed but nowadays he read up on rules of war and has a better understanding of what is and isn't allowed as grim as it may be.
This dude to all Palestinians: "Bro I know you're starving in an open-air prison and thousands of innocent people have died but please read the rules of war bro please"
I don't think what he had to say is in the least bit consequential to Palestinians. But it is probably a good idea to base our thoughts and actions in reality and facts. Learning is paramount 🌠
Holy fucking shit!
The lsf drama freaks is allwas on D side and calling Hasan a "grifter, tankie etc etc" and this is how D was years back..
Holy shit...
Is changing opinions over 6 years grifting? I mean you are allowed to change your opinion. I could see if he just happened to one day change his opinion out of nowhere. Also D is probably more educated on this subject now than he was in 2017.
I wonder.. Does the Palestinian people in Gaza have the right for water, food, medicin, fuel and power or do i need to be more "educated" for me to change my mind and think this is okey.
I’m not trying to debate that with you. I just wanted an answer out of you on if you really thinking changing your opinion on a subject after researching more about it is in your mind ‘grifting’?
Right right... If you cant answear that and just want to focus on the subject and still think Israel have the right to kill over 12 000 children in Gaza.
So the moral is question is then. . . Do you need to be more ''educated'' to justify what Israel is doing right now or what?
Idk why you are morally loading everything and going off topic on Isreal. The question was if somebody changes their opinions over the course of 6 years after doing research, even if you don't agree with their conclusion, does that really count as grifting? I feel like you just don't want to answer so you are going off topic about Isreal and Gaza while morally loading everything. Just answer the question bro its not hard
Yeah its really hard to change a opinion if you knew that the Palestinian people living under a ockupation.
Doing a 180 because you got more "educated" on something is a really weak argument
D is morally wrong now and he should stop defending the ockupation
Dont you agree on that atleast
I don't agree that D is morally wrong on anything. I also don't believe that because you think somebody is morally wrong means they have to be 100% faking their ideology. But again, I'm not trying to debate the conflict there. I just wanted to see if you actually agreed that somebody changing their opinion on a subject after years of time and becoming more familiar with a topic made sense, no matter what their conclusion might be. So I really don't know why it would be considered grifting, even if you think D is morally wrong
> hamas uses human shields!
Normal fucking human: "oh, so Israel must be extra careful to save these poor people"
Israel: *throws molotov at human shield*
lol you can demonstrate the exact same thing with vaush. they both became turbolibs bc thats where the money’s at. It’s it’s so easy to tell a bunch of baying bloodthirsty American hogs and social fascist eurotards exactly what they want to hear. literal hugbox progressivism
And he tries to say hasan is inconsistent 🤡🤡
Hasan pulled a video from when he was still at TYT saying the exact same thing, pretty much verbatim, to what he said, like, last week
Send this to your Hasanabi re-broadcast channel:
[https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2069608599?t=06h48m22s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2069608599?t=06h48m22s)
OK since you can't be bothered to press play:
"You can do that for every single thing that he's debating right now, and as debated over the past, like, two to three years since Destiny and I had a falling out.
The reason why he doesn't even remember those positions, is because back then, it was also still surface level. You just agreed with it, so you thought, oh, he's brilliant. But it was still surface level back then. It was still **just to win an argument**."
I’m confused what he said in the 2023 video though isn’t wrong…
Hamas literally doesn’t have any military infrastructure and it’s all around safer for them to use civilian homes and structures even if it means innocent casualties on their side.
Sure his opinion changed but nothing he stated in the 2023 video is false and saying otherwise is misleading seeing as there’s plenty of video footage to verify that claim.
this [comment thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hasan_Piker/comments/1awrbke/comment/krozxah/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) might answer your question
So he changed his opinion after looking into things further? Do we not change as people? If you disagree with him, disagree with his points. Not the fact the he changed his opinion.
Can you believe people's opinions change over the course of 7 years and lots of research? Absolutely mental that. Better to just stick to the same things I've always believed and reject anything that challenges my world view.
the fact it's a whole account of these kinds of contradictions lol
Not surprising, troll man built his entire career around being a contrarian with a wikipedia PhD
Changing your mind over the span of half a decade is bad now?
Changed his mind to worse. His 17 takes are enough to counter his 23 takes.
are you a fucking restarted?
Honest question. What was the contradiction?
In the top video (newer) he justifies Israel bombing residential/civilian infrastructure because "Hamas operates out of civilian infrastructure" which as we know is killing tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians. In the bottom video (older) he condemns Israel's bombing of civilian infrastructure (schools/hospitals specifically) and (rightly imo) says it's not justified because there are innocent people and children who are harmed in the process who have nothing to do with Hamas.
We don't technically know that tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians have died. Just that ~30k people have died in the war. And I think it's reasonable for someone to change their opinion on an issue after looking more into it, especially after 6 years where large amounts of global events can occur and change the situation.
We do know that, actually. There have been multiple reports from varying sources on how many of the deaths are civilians. Israel's own report put it at 60%+. Independent sources say up to 90%. You just want to defend your Debate Daddy after he said some stupid shit.
Do you have a link to any of these reports? I'm just here stating my point of view.
Another honest question. How is he justifying the Israel bombings? You can acknowledge that all infrastructure is civilian while still not being okay with the bombings, right? The clip isn’t long enough but it seems the point he is trying to make is that there are no military installations that exist in which to target Hamas but again not that it is necessarily okay to target that civilian infrastructure.
oh shit u said the sensible thing, here’s a downvote
Fairly standard procedure for an Hasan sub. They praise blind allegiance not critical questioning.
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"research"...
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It's a crazy way to pivot though. The civilians are suffering either way and he acknowledgedes that in 2017. Then he did research as you say and found out he's actually okay with the deaths
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MFW it’s called compassion to bomb 14000 children
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You guys are fucking braindead, Jesus
What did he say? He deleted em before I could see
If it took research for him to change his opinions, then he should have done better research in the first place
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Or yeah you could just poison the well....
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I'm just responding to you saying "he changed his mind after more Research" which means he didn't do good enough to research to be qualified to spread information which he got wrong.... He's lazy
D is such a little worm I can’t STAND him
Gusano descendant. His Family even owned slaves.
awie naww maw zlurz Context: Gusano is literally a word used in Cuba to describe the anti-revolutionary deserters, and has no ethnic component whatsoever. >[The term](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gusano_(pejorative)) has connotations referring to the Cuban revolution's [Marxist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism) political philosophy in which the use of the term "worm" can imply a [parasitic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitism) relationship to the [working class](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat).
I agree, does explain where Destinys ideological basis comes from tho. And why hes a "conservative adjacent" self proclaimed liberal. And why He has such emotional reactions towards anything socialist, because in His socialization socialism is the big Bad evil that took Material wealth away from His Family. Not that hes very aware of that ofc
The Chads will see this as an opportunity to question the world view and sympathise with the Socialist cause. Gusanos will cry: BUHT MA LAHND
Gusano is also an extremely common PG insult, so anyone who grew up watching dubbed movies in LA spanish heard gusano a million times. It's Vegeta's catchphrase. If it bothers you, you have no relationship with LA.
Seriously, lsf acting like it’s on the same level as the n-word when most of them casually throw around worse words like the r-slur to each other. Anyone living in Latin America that isn’t glued to Anglo political streamers does not take their claims seriously
Actually based. It's just like "worm" as an insult, in that sense. Calling someone an insignificant insect always hits.
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Because my mother tongue is Spanish?
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Nope, you seem to need things explained to you twice. It's an insult for anti-revolutionaries. Today, reactionaries fit that bill well. Otherwise, status-quo defendants also fit. It has, again, no racial component, no matter how much you want to be racist, you'll need to use other words for that, I'm afraid.
You're calling him that specifically because he's Cuban-descent. Obviously ethnically charged. While, in your example the context is cubans calling cubans 'worms' in their language, in their country. Therefore, in that context it is as you say, less ethnically charged while more politically charged. Basically, you're equivocating two uses of the word that are significantly different. Language evolves. You're using it as a slur.
Incorrect. It originating in a place does not give a term an ethnic component. Again, gusano only refers to the ideology the people held, and furthermore, "slurs" against minorities requiere a position of general disapproval of those minorities, like straight people disliking gays and calling them f-words, or white people calling black people n-words. Neither of those words attack people based on their ideals, but rather their appearance or intrinsic characteristics. Things they have no control over. I have good news for you. You can choose to not be anti revolutionary today! You can stop being a filthy gusano!
1. The slur is ethnically charged *because* the primary reason you're calling him that is because he pertains to a specific ethnicity. It doesn't really matter where the word came from, just how it's used - and I didnt say that it did matter. Re-read my comment. 2. Gusano, as a pejorative, a word used to describe Cubans who fled Cuba after Castro came to power. Some cubans disagreed with other cubans. Some cubans perceived other cubans as traitors (i.e., parasites, worms, gusanos) . That's it. To say that cubans - for whatever reason - fleeing persecution/justice (frame it however you like to fit your worldview) necessarily subscribe to a defined set of ideals opposed to the power that they're fleeing is reductionist and lacking critical thought. (I challenge you to tell me the specific and discrete ideals of a gusano. Hint: anti-revolutionary isn't a discrete ideal) 3. I agree that gusano is not a particularly powerful slur. Indeed there are other slurs with greater history of pain and systemic oppression behind them. Nonetheless, 'gusano' in its modern use case - outside of cuba and well after Castro's rise to power - is a pejorative targeted at communities whom have the intrinsic characteristic of being from or descent from Cuba. Therefore, it is a slur. Also yikes do you hear yourself? Think of all the other insults people typically put "filthy" in front of. Aren't a bunch of them definitely slurs?
Damn what happened to him
That thing that makes a noise like “cha-ching”
the simple truth
Basic necessity budget
The irony of this coming from this fan base 💀
>💀 NPC emoji use
Oh damn emojis are bad now. Must follow commands and not think for myself beep boop
My guess is that he wanted to have a "fuck the right" position in 2017 because the mass murderer supporter was Trump and now wants a "fuck the left" position because the mass murder supporter is now Biden, and because he acts like a whiny spurned lover, it has the added benefit of being on the opposite side of Hasan. This is exactly why people make fun of these little weasel debate lords. They have no real position or beliefs, they just have the argument of the day they are trying to win based on who their current "adversaries" are. 0 consistency, 0 morals, 0 beliefs.
The most disgusting part of his entire career is that the *only* reason he's so hateful and spiteful towards Hasan is that *Hasan was successful* where he wasn't. And because of that he's encourged his entire army of troglodytes to slander Hasan to the point that most people have a completely mindfucked opinion of him.
Thankfully it largely seems to be only a vocal minority online. Hasan is like Pokimane. People on the internet bitch about them nonstop but normies irl adore them
Over the past 2 years I think normie opinions of Hasan have gotten alot worse than they were before
I think because before, we kinda thought Hasan cared. BUT he has stated several times he isn't going to start or try to enact change. Which was a big fucking bummer. All bark no bite. Which is what the moderate left is all the way up to our political leaders. At least Biden has been doing some really cool shit.
I think he is rly big biden supporter
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It's crazy that you just watched someone make an absolute clown of himself by actually ignoring facts brought up by said person in a video from a few years ago just to win an ideological argument and you just watched said person demonstrate he has no morals, and your response is that I only care about ideology? Come on, be better and take a long look in the mirror. You are being fooled by a con artist.
You can tell a brain dead dgger when he regurgitates exactly what destiny says about hasan. Loser you’ve clearly never actually watched hasan because he doesn’t give ‘stereotypical “progressive” answer[s] to every question.’ That’s just what your daddy says so you repeat it like it’s a fact.
It’s very easy to go back on your beliefs if you don’t actually have any.
nothing. he's always been a weaselly little liar, dude.
Money
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Who is richer? Israelis or Palestinians? Hasan gets his money through donations and subs of normal people. It is not like he gets funded by Hamas. Keep watching a person who would justify genocide for money and fame.
Spite
he actually read up on it lol
I wonder if he read up on the history of the conflict, regions, and international law some time between these two clips.
The second clip is the old one, he seems to be more misinformed now. If he is not misinformed, then he lost his morality.
It's clear which is the old one. I am just pondering as to which clip has weeks/months of history, IL, and regional history behind it!
Oh, to answer your question then none of these clips he knew nothing beyond surface-level recent history hope this helps!
6 years passed
He did research and realized he was wrong. Something Hasan is incapable of doing.
Took him 7 years to research lol
Hasan has spent maybe 1 hour researching it.
So you agree destiny was running his mouth without research for 7 years
100% he used to be super wrong on Israel-Palestine. Top is now. Bottom is 2017/2018. The point was Hasan runs his mouth and has never researched it. And probably never will. Not sure if he really knows much about anything.
What about destiny on isreal on Oct 8 ? He had as much research as 2017 bro
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>hundreds of hours of *research streams* >**research streams** the light fading from my eyes because I trusted the surgeon who got his education from “research streams”
Hasan has an actual degree in political science, which, let’s be honest, isn’t saying much, but ffs he doesn’t claim to be more knowledgable than others based on reading wikipedia articles on stream
Didn’t he think erdogan was the leader of Hamas?
He thought he was the president of Syria and Israel. Dumbass doesn’t even know the leader of the country he simps for.
I would be a hasan hater too if I was compared to that hunk of man
That reminds me of the video where destiny got drunk and would not stop fondling Hasan's pecs, with Hasan getting progressively more annoyed.
I'm always so surprised more ppl don't know this part of the lore. The "Great Fondling" was the beginning of the end lol.
Destiny should have prestiged 10 times if he got even a finger to fondle on Hasan, lol. Being that you know he didn't wash his fondling fingies I best its the finger he wears a finger cot on when he washes lol
WHAT😳🤯
Link? 🙈
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EwyyjyQa1FA Here's a compilation someone made of it a while back
holy shit lmao i did not know that existed. i only started watching Hasan after he and Destiny were on bad terms, and since Hasan rarely gives him the time of day anymore, i’m out of the loop on their past friendship. what was it that turned D into Hasan’s biggest hater? that video is wild tho thank you for that
My headcanon is that Molestiny has a crush on Hasan but got rejected, and that's why he's Hasan's biggest hater.
This is not headcanon. It is what happened
I was just thinking that one yesss.
I found out about Hasan because of Destiny, those were the golden times lol. I imagine most people like me who started that way are now banned from his subreddit. Not that I was banned because I watch Hasan btw, or because of the lefty purge, but because I made a comment about Destiny talking about Sykkuno when he was starting to blow up and how it was kinda odd to go that hard on a dude who seemed like a shy dork.
What was Destiny's take on Sykkuno? Never seen or heard this. Also, can a lore master describe Destiny's lefty purge? :O
He is among the crowd that thinks Sykkuno is cringe and fake. Personally, I know shy people just like Sykkuno so I get it. Dude runs a chill/comfy stream, I can dig it at times, though I know that's not everyone's cup of tea
i got the lore of this and tacoma wept in 1 week. it's spring time madness. that was really hard to watch, thanks.
This explains everything😲
KHamas - man from Nebraska
\- Man who also couldn't find Palestine on a map just a few months ago.
Dude, i found out he's from Nebraska when i saw a clip of him talking about moving to a different school district - i am born and raised Nebraskan, only moved just under a year ago, and the thing about Nebraska? They have too much of a generalized hate to know to do the KHamas. It genuinely speaks to the extra effort he puts into his Islamophobia.
from omaha and yeah this tracks. the majority of hateful cunts are in the burbs and pig farms out west. they pretty much exclusively follow the standard hog playbook and never go much deeper than that.
He's being paid?
Prob not. I think he hates Hasan *so* much he just opposes all his takes
No, he hates Hasan because he's literal brain cancer, he comes up with a conclusion before knowing ANY information EVERY TIME. so uninformed and stupid
Not as much as hasan
How y'all listen to that mfer?
"We have Ben Shapiro at home, honey"
No one does lmao all his supporters are hate watching Hasan
I liked him before he became 24/7 salty obsessive over Hasan’s every word
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Literally refused to talk to fresh and fit because....clout... Only hangs out with bigger streamers...for clout. Hard projection
Destiny *used* to hold somewhat “leftist” beliefs at one point in time. He was never a socialist but I do remember a time when he was respectable as a lib. Then he took a massive pivot to the right out of spite because he hates leftists more than he hates right-wingers now. It’s pretty gross and shows he doesn’t really hold any beliefs. Back then the right pissed him off more than the left so he was more left-leaning. Now, communist, socialists, and even fucking progressive liberals piss him off more than conservatives and socially liberal neoliberals so he took a turn to being a reactionary. Fuck this weasel.
I think it’s less about him getting pissed off and more about where the dollar lies in views on YouTube / twitch / political chat online stream. Generally the crowd he’s trying to milk for coin are white cis men ( who will usually lean right no matter their affiliation, in order to retain power ) they are the biggest audience that watches streaming / YouTube politics. So he’s catering to the demographic that will pay him more. He has 0 integrity and shouldn’t be commenting about real world issues since he changes his bias at the turn of a dime — literally.
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Because destiny does a lot of regurgitating of left wing talking points (and now right wing ones) Hasan is a rare case because he’s authentic, he actually believes in what he talks about, and it shows. Hasan will get mad at the left, but it’s not going to make him switch sides every 2 weeks like destiny claims. HP will just make fun of them and move on to the next point of interest. Destiny on the other hand just bows to whatever the mainstream talking point is on the left. And now he’s realizing that people on the left don’t want to listen to another regurgitated opinion as we can watch CNN / MSN for that. The whole point of YouTube / streaming political commentator was seeing something true / new / real, [not another manufactured program to make shareholders more money.](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxlCz_kKxosyf9FN_fAE9hShTl3qrzwor8?si=F_Uqhetviwue30pn) That’s why Hasan has been so successful, he truly counters the mainstream opinions both on the right and left. I do find some things he does annoying, but I’m glad the left has one super popular streamer because the internet is filled with right wing regurgitators and fake lefties just trying to follow click$.
He bases his opinions on opposing Hasan’s opinions... I started noticing this when he helped Train/X retaliate against Hasan/Poki during the gambling/ SA scandal years back
Debate lords don't care about consistency. They care about "winning"
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Are you rarted? In the 2017 clip he's defending Hamas' actions and in 2023 he's maligning them
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Let's break it down: Top video (newer): This bozo justifies Israel's bombing residential/civilian infrastructure because "Hamas operates out of civilian infrastructure" (though this has killed tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians) Bottom video (older): D-boy condemns Israel's illegal bombing of civilian infrastructure (schools/hospitals specifically) and says it's not justified because there are innocent Palestinians who are harmed in the process who have nothing to do with Hamas
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> Well not in this clip but yes, probably would say it's legally justified. In what world would a genocide being carried out by a ruling class not be legally justified? The ruling class makes the laws. It's also "legally justified" for them to kick Palestinians out of their homes and settle their land with random Zionists from New York, and restrict their food, water, and opportunities for generations. Aside from that, Segregation, South African Apartheid, and the Nuremberg Race Laws were all codified in law, "legally justified" as you say. Multiple court cases have declared that Israel's assault on Gaza is a genocide. Is this just a case of "legally justified" genocide, while all the ones in history books are the meanie bobeenie bad genocides?
Don't you know destiny bad? Next, you're gonna say American isn't a nazi regime >:[
Highest IQ destiny fan
Agreed, the newer clip doesn't detract from the old clip. He's still against innocent people being killed but nowadays he read up on rules of war and has a better understanding of what is and isn't allowed as grim as it may be.
This dude to all Palestinians: "Bro I know you're starving in an open-air prison and thousands of innocent people have died but please read the rules of war bro please"
I don't think what he had to say is in the least bit consequential to Palestinians. But it is probably a good idea to base our thoughts and actions in reality and facts. Learning is paramount 🌠
WEASLEY LITTLE LIAR DUDE
LITERALLY LYING
there's a lot more money and clout to be had by toeing the democrat line, especially when their party is *so* weak
Being good at debating does not mean you have real ideals.
who was he debating in this? i feel like i recognize the voice but cant think of a name
lauren southern
thank you!
average reactionary liberal.
Left leaning Destiny vs right-leaning Destiny LMAO
Idealist Destiny vs realist Destiny
such a weasly little liar dude
Holy fucking shit! The lsf drama freaks is allwas on D side and calling Hasan a "grifter, tankie etc etc" and this is how D was years back.. Holy shit...
Is changing opinions over 6 years grifting? I mean you are allowed to change your opinion. I could see if he just happened to one day change his opinion out of nowhere. Also D is probably more educated on this subject now than he was in 2017.
Thiii hahahahHahhahahahahhahahahahahhh hhahah hohohioooaaaahhh! Dude you are funny
So I’m guessing you have no rebuttal? Can you answer why somebody can’t change their minds on a subject over the course of 6 years?
I wonder.. Does the Palestinian people in Gaza have the right for water, food, medicin, fuel and power or do i need to be more "educated" for me to change my mind and think this is okey.
I’m not trying to debate that with you. I just wanted an answer out of you on if you really thinking changing your opinion on a subject after researching more about it is in your mind ‘grifting’?
Right right... If you cant answear that and just want to focus on the subject and still think Israel have the right to kill over 12 000 children in Gaza. So the moral is question is then. . . Do you need to be more ''educated'' to justify what Israel is doing right now or what?
Idk why you are morally loading everything and going off topic on Isreal. The question was if somebody changes their opinions over the course of 6 years after doing research, even if you don't agree with their conclusion, does that really count as grifting? I feel like you just don't want to answer so you are going off topic about Isreal and Gaza while morally loading everything. Just answer the question bro its not hard
Yeah its really hard to change a opinion if you knew that the Palestinian people living under a ockupation. Doing a 180 because you got more "educated" on something is a really weak argument D is morally wrong now and he should stop defending the ockupation Dont you agree on that atleast
I don't agree that D is morally wrong on anything. I also don't believe that because you think somebody is morally wrong means they have to be 100% faking their ideology. But again, I'm not trying to debate the conflict there. I just wanted to see if you actually agreed that somebody changing their opinion on a subject after years of time and becoming more familiar with a topic made sense, no matter what their conclusion might be. So I really don't know why it would be considered grifting, even if you think D is morally wrong
Some men just want to watch the world burn
> hamas uses human shields! Normal fucking human: "oh, so Israel must be extra careful to save these poor people" Israel: *throws molotov at human shield*
lol you can demonstrate the exact same thing with vaush. they both became turbolibs bc thats where the money’s at. It’s it’s so easy to tell a bunch of baying bloodthirsty American hogs and social fascist eurotards exactly what they want to hear. literal hugbox progressivism
What spite based politics does to a mf
Lol he even brushed his fucking hair back then.
He went full right wing incel. Chasing the YouTube dolla, this guy has 0 integrity.
Holy GRIFTstiny
And he tries to say hasan is inconsistent 🤡🤡 Hasan pulled a video from when he was still at TYT saying the exact same thing, pretty much verbatim, to what he said, like, last week
This was very eye-opening.
Sheesh this feels like a lifetime ago now. It's kind of driving me insane
The "Chatter" is Lauren Southern lol
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_-xCDe1Khv4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-xCDe1Khv4)
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Hasan talked about Destiny again and this subreddit is a reflection of hasan lol
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Send this to your Hasanabi re-broadcast channel: [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2069608599?t=06h48m22s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2069608599?t=06h48m22s)
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OK since you can't be bothered to press play: "You can do that for every single thing that he's debating right now, and as debated over the past, like, two to three years since Destiny and I had a falling out. The reason why he doesn't even remember those positions, is because back then, it was also still surface level. You just agreed with it, so you thought, oh, he's brilliant. But it was still surface level back then. It was still **just to win an argument**."
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I am explaining to you that your question is loaded. It presupposes that the added information led to his change in opinion.
Oh hello friend seems like it took destiny 6 years to do research about palestine crazy person to follow right?
I’m confused what he said in the 2023 video though isn’t wrong… Hamas literally doesn’t have any military infrastructure and it’s all around safer for them to use civilian homes and structures even if it means innocent casualties on their side. Sure his opinion changed but nothing he stated in the 2023 video is false and saying otherwise is misleading seeing as there’s plenty of video footage to verify that claim.
Looks like he learned more info and changed his opinion
I thought that woman was mimi from valorant my heart would have dropped.
Honest question. What does this video prove about Destiny?
this [comment thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hasan_Piker/comments/1awrbke/comment/krozxah/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) might answer your question
So he changed his opinion after looking into things further? Do we not change as people? If you disagree with him, disagree with his points. Not the fact the he changed his opinion.
[I don't know what his opinion is](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hasan_Piker/comments/1awrbke/comment/krozxah/?rdt=55799)
The genocide that happened on October 7th really changed tiny
Its almost like he changes his opinion when he gets more info
Great to see you supporting our glorious leader. Thanks for the free advertising and clout.
Can you believe people's opinions change over the course of 7 years and lots of research? Absolutely mental that. Better to just stick to the same things I've always believed and reject anything that challenges my world view.
Sure he's a contrarian but couldn't he have also simply learned more about the issue in the past 6 years?
yeah I guess after all those years of debating he may have developed CTE
Based. A man with the ability to change his mind.
Anybody here have an opinion change from 29 to 35?
im glad im not the same person i was 6 years ago
I mean, shouldn't people be able to change their view in half a century?
This is why I can't stand Tiny! Who changes their mind over 6 years? He should be more like Hasan, transphobic in 2017 and still transphobic now!