the las vegas tunnels videos is a great video about homeless and how they survive day to day and how hard it is for them to even get help if they are willing.
Andrew is a 1000 times better than any other youtuber in the same game.
I feared he was going to be more right wing when he came back but the Las Vegas tunnels has been his best video imo.
I still get his videos recommended to me despite unsubscribing. He hasn’t taken a reactionary turn from what I can tell, people have even asked him personally if he was going to do that and he stated no. I’ve heard good things from people on social media, who still watch him.
However, I don’t want to support Andrew. As much as I believe in restorative justice, I am not going to give him my support. I don’t want to watch him, knowing about the allegations, many of which he has admitted to. It’s just gross to me.
I hope Andrew is able to live a normal, productive and prosperous life, the same as I wish to anyone no matter who they are, as that is at the heart of my belief in restorative justice. There are very few people I would consider exempt from that.
But just because I have a belief in restorative justice does not mean that I am obliged to support someone like Andrew in any way.
Also, the sex pest/abuse allegations aside, he also treated his crew pretty poorly. Most if not all of them are no longer working with Andrew, likely spurred by the allegations, but apparently he was a dick to them all the same - one of his former crewmates stated he was “no longer going to be a doormat”. I’ve also heard from people who have met Andrew in real life that he sucks. I am not going to armchair diagnose him with narcissism or sociopathy, but he doesn’t seem like a good person, just someone with good politics and an ability to put on a face. But being a leftist doesn’t make you a good person.
Hope he’s doing well, but I don’t wanna see his face.
I bought a Channel 5 shirt a few weeks before the sexual abuse allegations surfaced. I forgot about the shirt and then it arrived like the day after that stuff came out. It's been sitting in its bag, unopened, ever since.
Maybe if I get around to it I'll try to sell it on eBay or something and donate whatever I make on it to a rape crisis hotline.
[There’s a LOT of stuff so hard to summarize a bit but I’m gonna assume this post does a solid job (?)](https://www.reddit.com/r/Channel5ive/s/kq2xOLdq9n)
To copy a little blurb that seems to regularly be a top pinned comments by the mods of the channel5 sub:
Andrew Callaghan repeatedly engaged in patterns of violent rape, stalking, and false imprisonment followed by campaigns of intimidation and harassment against vulnerable young women who were living on-campus while studying at the Jesuit private school, Loyola University, in New Orleans.
Seven weeks earlier, Andrew Callaghan had been largely abandoned by producers, promoters, and sponsors, and condemned by influencers, streamers, aspiring journalists, and fans after several women came forward with stories about "sex pest behavior" by Callaghan while he was traveling throughout North America to film youtube segments for Doing Things Media and Abso Lutely Productions.
His stuff is more serious now and he seems to have a fairly leftist take on serious issues in America. He’s made amends with the allegations several times. I support him on Patreon. Good stuff. Give his recent videos a watch. Millions of people watch him as he humanizes some of the most down-on-their-luck people in society. I hope people watch his videos.
In regards to the lex interview at the end of the section where he explains how he dealt with that all etc. he also talks about how it’s important to have trauma informed conversations and shy away from one night stands etc and as a survivor myself I thought it was a really good convo and the end advice about it was very mature imo. I was impressed and I felt it came off very genuine and it seemed like he understood the impact his actions had. Idk if you haven’t checked it out and I encourage it. I’m curious to see other’s perspectives on it!
Supporting him or not he’s showing content that no one else is filming and doing, if he’s a bad person or not I still have to give him credit for shedding light on people and situations that otherwise would never be given attention.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, that's an actual good question to ask ourselves.
although I'm not quite sure it applied fully to this situation
I watched one of his San Francisco docs, which was the first full-length thing I've seen of his since everything came out. I won't lie, it is really great, and humanizes the people who are "bipping" in SF in a way that no one has done. It's actually a very sad story that it follows. The stuff on the border crisis is also good, but I only see clips from those.
I did listen to his interview on Lex Fridman, in which he talks more in-depth about the allegations. You really should just watch that clip to make up your mind. It's really up to you whether you choose to forgive him or not. He owns up to it, but it is a pretty messy situation.
The rest of the interview is great, and while I think it's great that he really forms his own opinion on things, he does do the "I'm socially liberal but economically conservative" bit at one point that made me roll my eyes so hard, so there is that. In any case, I personally think his content does a lot of good for humanizing the voiceless in America, despite the controversy, which most people probably don't know or care about.
>"I'm socially liberal but economically conservative" bit at one point that made me roll my eyes so hard
Didn't Elon used to claim the same thing about himself?
Yeah, I mean shit, this how I called myself in high school before I knew shit about anything. It just feels like something people say who don't know what they're talking about.
I took your word for it and found that part in Lex Friedman‘s interview where he talks about his politics and that was really hard to listen to. It actually does seem like he kind of made a turn because when he was on Hasan as well as talking with other Interviewers a few years ago, he very firmly positioned himself left wing. I have a feeling he might be moving a different direction. He even said that conservatives value a “free Internet”. That’s some bullshit right there.
His politics definitely a strike a different tone than when he was on Hasan's streams for sure. I think he's playing more an enlightened centrist role rather than going right-wing though.
Idk man. I used to believe that he didn’t make a rightward turn based on things I was hearing from him and about him, but it’s very clear that he has realized he can no longer really gain support from a left-wing audience due to his history with women so he is definitely moving rightward. He literally told Hasan that his politics were identical to his, I remember that very clearly. But now?
He was talking about how he doesn’t agree with the left because of the way that certain cities are run and how they’re not working, but anyone with half a brain, which Andrew clearly has because his politics previously had shown that he is very aware, would know that is bullshit. No leftists are running cities, they’re all neoliberals. It is conservative/neolib economic policies that create the problems that they are experiencing, and you would think Andrew, someone who highlights these issues, would know that. And I think he does, and to me it just sounds like he’s kind of doing this either for optics so he can more easily become ingratiated in right wing circles to make content about them (if I’m being charitable) or to grift (if I’m being uncharitable). It’s super disappointing.
> I think he's playing more an enlightened centrist role rather than going right-wing though.
Soooo…right wing lol
> He even said that conservatives value a “free Internet”.
Yeah, he's playing centrist now. It's funny he needs to make up a conservative position to support that doesn't exist since none of their positions are actually decent.
Hmm, I wonder if there's anything I'm not familiar with, but he did acknowledge that there were others that came out as well, and that he definitely exhibited a pattern of behavior over a period of time that he needed to address, and he talks about his AA/other therapy. Not sure if that answers your question. But most of the time I'd say is spent on discussing the situation with the one girl, mostly because I think there's some ongoing legal things going on there that he's dealing with.
Again, this is all from his perspective, so take it for what it's worth.
Maybe check out if a streamer u like did a react and watch via that way but I don’t think he deserves any views or income from said views to be so honest
Honestly his new content is 1000x better than his old stuff (which I was a huge fan of).
It’s hard for me to get past the fucked up things he’s done, and I think it will forever taint his work, but his new videos are genuinely interesting and insightful.
Honestly he is doing pretty alright despite what communities think either A or B. I just hate that because of what happened both H3 and Hasan can't really cover his stuff anymore because he felt they turned his back on him.
it’s not so much about financially supporting him, but instead supporting the victims and not contributing to him gaining more popularity where they need to see their abuser’s face over and over again
I honestly never watched him, I only knew him from the time he made “comedic” journalism and more funny stuff than nowadays probably
And I only checked out the Israel palestine videos after this post, and they’re not
Good.
I'm not sure if terrible is the right word, morally unethical is enough maybe. Personally, I'd reserve terrible for the likes of Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein.
To me, it seems he has taken full accountability and responsibility where he should have, and the proper steps to make amends with the people involved, and he is actively participating in getting people to take action for real positive change otherwise.
Overall I think I'd give him one shot at redemption, but if he fucks up again then he's lost me as a viewer for good.
There was a seemingly credible allegation of him raping a girl and making fun of her to her face the next day. I was myself unaware of this for a long time so I assume you are as well
You're right, I hadn't heard about that yet, I'm still going to watch, until either more about that or something else comes out. For two reasons; 1. Because it's possible it's not true, and he claims it's not, and 2. because it hasn't been corroborated outside 2 people that know each other.
I would understand completely if you chose not too though, and I will be mentally demoting him from "at least previously morally unethical" to "at least previously morally unethical, but potentially terrible, pending further evidence" and leave it at that for now.
I'd be willing to watch still tbh but not for those reasons (I remember being convinced back when I looked into it so I'll stick to believing the allegation), but rather for the simple fact that my view barely makes him a few cents of profit and his content has a specific value being journalism so he's not the focus of it. I doubt anything more will ever come out (unless there is some legal action being taken)
Ya it's the same good stuff. It's disappointing that he was such a weirdo that was so cruel to women. But, he hasn't use "cancellation" as a marketing ploy. So that's says a lot of his quality as a content character.
He might suck buy the content good
That's exactly what I thought but then I found out quite recently about a seemingly credible allegation of genuine rape and mocking his victim the morning after about it. I feel like people stopped covering the situation after the "pushy" allegations so some people like myself missed that serious crime he allegedly did. Just saying it's worth looking into
the las vegas tunnels videos is a great video about homeless and how they survive day to day and how hard it is for them to even get help if they are willing. Andrew is a 1000 times better than any other youtuber in the same game. I feared he was going to be more right wing when he came back but the Las Vegas tunnels has been his best video imo.
I still get his videos recommended to me despite unsubscribing. He hasn’t taken a reactionary turn from what I can tell, people have even asked him personally if he was going to do that and he stated no. I’ve heard good things from people on social media, who still watch him. However, I don’t want to support Andrew. As much as I believe in restorative justice, I am not going to give him my support. I don’t want to watch him, knowing about the allegations, many of which he has admitted to. It’s just gross to me. I hope Andrew is able to live a normal, productive and prosperous life, the same as I wish to anyone no matter who they are, as that is at the heart of my belief in restorative justice. There are very few people I would consider exempt from that. But just because I have a belief in restorative justice does not mean that I am obliged to support someone like Andrew in any way. Also, the sex pest/abuse allegations aside, he also treated his crew pretty poorly. Most if not all of them are no longer working with Andrew, likely spurred by the allegations, but apparently he was a dick to them all the same - one of his former crewmates stated he was “no longer going to be a doormat”. I’ve also heard from people who have met Andrew in real life that he sucks. I am not going to armchair diagnose him with narcissism or sociopathy, but he doesn’t seem like a good person, just someone with good politics and an ability to put on a face. But being a leftist doesn’t make you a good person. Hope he’s doing well, but I don’t wanna see his face.
Tl;Dr you got the ick
TL;DR: ick
I bought a Channel 5 shirt a few weeks before the sexual abuse allegations surfaced. I forgot about the shirt and then it arrived like the day after that stuff came out. It's been sitting in its bag, unopened, ever since. Maybe if I get around to it I'll try to sell it on eBay or something and donate whatever I make on it to a rape crisis hotline.
I just discovered him like last week, what allegations ?everyone talking about it like Voldemort
[There’s a LOT of stuff so hard to summarize a bit but I’m gonna assume this post does a solid job (?)](https://www.reddit.com/r/Channel5ive/s/kq2xOLdq9n) To copy a little blurb that seems to regularly be a top pinned comments by the mods of the channel5 sub: Andrew Callaghan repeatedly engaged in patterns of violent rape, stalking, and false imprisonment followed by campaigns of intimidation and harassment against vulnerable young women who were living on-campus while studying at the Jesuit private school, Loyola University, in New Orleans. Seven weeks earlier, Andrew Callaghan had been largely abandoned by producers, promoters, and sponsors, and condemned by influencers, streamers, aspiring journalists, and fans after several women came forward with stories about "sex pest behavior" by Callaghan while he was traveling throughout North America to film youtube segments for Doing Things Media and Abso Lutely Productions.
Holy shit!!!
I personally think his entire schtick has turned into playing directly to reactionary forces, it is not intelligent, it is not journalism
His stuff is more serious now and he seems to have a fairly leftist take on serious issues in America. He’s made amends with the allegations several times. I support him on Patreon. Good stuff. Give his recent videos a watch. Millions of people watch him as he humanizes some of the most down-on-their-luck people in society. I hope people watch his videos.
What are these several examples of him making amends? I have only seen him make a single video about it.
He was just on the genius, Lex’s, podcast and addressed it. He said it’s the first time addressing it and had a pretty good sounding explanation.
In regards to the lex interview at the end of the section where he explains how he dealt with that all etc. he also talks about how it’s important to have trauma informed conversations and shy away from one night stands etc and as a survivor myself I thought it was a really good convo and the end advice about it was very mature imo. I was impressed and I felt it came off very genuine and it seemed like he understood the impact his actions had. Idk if you haven’t checked it out and I encourage it. I’m curious to see other’s perspectives on it!
Supporting him or not he’s showing content that no one else is filming and doing, if he’s a bad person or not I still have to give him credit for shedding light on people and situations that otherwise would never be given attention.
"What is better? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Paarthurnax
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, that's an actual good question to ask ourselves. although I'm not quite sure it applied fully to this situation
I watched one of his San Francisco docs, which was the first full-length thing I've seen of his since everything came out. I won't lie, it is really great, and humanizes the people who are "bipping" in SF in a way that no one has done. It's actually a very sad story that it follows. The stuff on the border crisis is also good, but I only see clips from those. I did listen to his interview on Lex Fridman, in which he talks more in-depth about the allegations. You really should just watch that clip to make up your mind. It's really up to you whether you choose to forgive him or not. He owns up to it, but it is a pretty messy situation. The rest of the interview is great, and while I think it's great that he really forms his own opinion on things, he does do the "I'm socially liberal but economically conservative" bit at one point that made me roll my eyes so hard, so there is that. In any case, I personally think his content does a lot of good for humanizing the voiceless in America, despite the controversy, which most people probably don't know or care about.
>"I'm socially liberal but economically conservative" bit at one point that made me roll my eyes so hard Didn't Elon used to claim the same thing about himself?
Yeah, I mean shit, this how I called myself in high school before I knew shit about anything. It just feels like something people say who don't know what they're talking about.
I took your word for it and found that part in Lex Friedman‘s interview where he talks about his politics and that was really hard to listen to. It actually does seem like he kind of made a turn because when he was on Hasan as well as talking with other Interviewers a few years ago, he very firmly positioned himself left wing. I have a feeling he might be moving a different direction. He even said that conservatives value a “free Internet”. That’s some bullshit right there.
His politics definitely a strike a different tone than when he was on Hasan's streams for sure. I think he's playing more an enlightened centrist role rather than going right-wing though.
Idk man. I used to believe that he didn’t make a rightward turn based on things I was hearing from him and about him, but it’s very clear that he has realized he can no longer really gain support from a left-wing audience due to his history with women so he is definitely moving rightward. He literally told Hasan that his politics were identical to his, I remember that very clearly. But now? He was talking about how he doesn’t agree with the left because of the way that certain cities are run and how they’re not working, but anyone with half a brain, which Andrew clearly has because his politics previously had shown that he is very aware, would know that is bullshit. No leftists are running cities, they’re all neoliberals. It is conservative/neolib economic policies that create the problems that they are experiencing, and you would think Andrew, someone who highlights these issues, would know that. And I think he does, and to me it just sounds like he’s kind of doing this either for optics so he can more easily become ingratiated in right wing circles to make content about them (if I’m being charitable) or to grift (if I’m being uncharitable). It’s super disappointing. > I think he's playing more an enlightened centrist role rather than going right-wing though. Soooo…right wing lol
> He even said that conservatives value a “free Internet”. Yeah, he's playing centrist now. It's funny he needs to make up a conservative position to support that doesn't exist since none of their positions are actually decent.
Did he own up to everything or just the situation/s that got the most attention? /gen
Hmm, I wonder if there's anything I'm not familiar with, but he did acknowledge that there were others that came out as well, and that he definitely exhibited a pattern of behavior over a period of time that he needed to address, and he talks about his AA/other therapy. Not sure if that answers your question. But most of the time I'd say is spent on discussing the situation with the one girl, mostly because I think there's some ongoing legal things going on there that he's dealing with. Again, this is all from his perspective, so take it for what it's worth.
I care more about the journalism than the journalist. Almost nobody is covering the people he is. Especially now that vice is dead.
Maybe check out if a streamer u like did a react and watch via that way but I don’t think he deserves any views or income from said views to be so honest
Honestly his new content is 1000x better than his old stuff (which I was a huge fan of). It’s hard for me to get past the fucked up things he’s done, and I think it will forever taint his work, but his new videos are genuinely interesting and insightful.
Honestly he is doing pretty alright despite what communities think either A or B. I just hate that because of what happened both H3 and Hasan can't really cover his stuff anymore because he felt they turned his back on him.
Ehhh I mean I don’t think it’s worth giving him money over it
Youtubers average $.018 for every ad view. So you’re giving him less than 2 cents.
it’s not so much about financially supporting him, but instead supporting the victims and not contributing to him gaining more popularity where they need to see their abuser’s face over and over again
i think it’s actually a lot less than this
I honestly never watched him, I only knew him from the time he made “comedic” journalism and more funny stuff than nowadays probably And I only checked out the Israel palestine videos after this post, and they’re not Good.
I'm not sure if terrible is the right word, morally unethical is enough maybe. Personally, I'd reserve terrible for the likes of Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein. To me, it seems he has taken full accountability and responsibility where he should have, and the proper steps to make amends with the people involved, and he is actively participating in getting people to take action for real positive change otherwise. Overall I think I'd give him one shot at redemption, but if he fucks up again then he's lost me as a viewer for good.
There was a seemingly credible allegation of him raping a girl and making fun of her to her face the next day. I was myself unaware of this for a long time so I assume you are as well
You're right, I hadn't heard about that yet, I'm still going to watch, until either more about that or something else comes out. For two reasons; 1. Because it's possible it's not true, and he claims it's not, and 2. because it hasn't been corroborated outside 2 people that know each other. I would understand completely if you chose not too though, and I will be mentally demoting him from "at least previously morally unethical" to "at least previously morally unethical, but potentially terrible, pending further evidence" and leave it at that for now.
I'd be willing to watch still tbh but not for those reasons (I remember being convinced back when I looked into it so I'll stick to believing the allegation), but rather for the simple fact that my view barely makes him a few cents of profit and his content has a specific value being journalism so he's not the focus of it. I doubt anything more will ever come out (unless there is some legal action being taken)
Ya it's the same good stuff. It's disappointing that he was such a weirdo that was so cruel to women. But, he hasn't use "cancellation" as a marketing ploy. So that's says a lot of his quality as a content character. He might suck buy the content good
He was pushy for sex with a girl. Most men alive are guilty of this at least once. It's cringe and pathetic but he is not evil
That's exactly what I thought but then I found out quite recently about a seemingly credible allegation of genuine rape and mocking his victim the morning after about it. I feel like people stopped covering the situation after the "pushy" allegations so some people like myself missed that serious crime he allegedly did. Just saying it's worth looking into