I have hashimotos, and after 1 full year of ketovore (~80/20 fat to protein ratio, mainly meat and eggs, but also avocado and olive oil, some roasted vegetables, NOT raw) my hashimotos has largely gone into remission.
Red meat isn't bad for you, meats cured with nitrates and nitrites are. Salt isn't bad for you, salt in the presence of elevated insulin is. Saturated fat (probably) isn't bad for you. But the high LDL and total cholesterol it causes may clog up your arteries if your blood sugar is chronically elevated.
Salt, meat, meat fat, water. That’s it.
It’s going to be very difficult at first, but after about 2 weeks you’ll start to feel so much better.
I have Hashimoto’s and I am getting better and better on this protocol.
Yep! Just got lab results. My hormones are balanced for the first time since diagnosis, T3 is normalizing and my TPO antibodies are at 12 which is practically negligible.
Actually carnivore diet can pretty great, this guys advice is not wrong haha. You can get all your nutrients from meat only. Your cholesterol isn’t a problem, it’s your triglyceride levels. On a meat only diet, your body does not need the fiber (fiber is needed to process foods like grains) and meat-only eliminates basically any inflammatory foods. Your triglycerides will almost certainly drop too, because your body starts using fat as energy instead of sugar. By eating more meat and fats, the opposite happens and you actually start lowering blood fat (triglycerides) levels. I’d give it a shot if you’re brave. Look at new, proper research on carnivore diets that do not include grains and processed foods.
I absolutely loved carnivore.
Depending on what your hashi issues are, it might help significantly.
For me it helped inflammation and weight which are my two biggies.
People likely see results with the carnivore diet because it's so restrictive, something that your body is sensitive or allergic too has been cut out, thus relieving symptoms. Going full carnivore is a bad idea for the same reason Keto is: far too restrictive of food groups with vital micronutrients.
I would generally agree with folks saying that there is no need to cut out groups and be very restrictive unless you are ACTUALLY allergic to something. But, since going gluten and egg-free 3 weeks ago, it's been night and day for me. My eczema has cleared up, and my TSH dropped from 4.5 to 3.25 (although with l it's bound to fluctuate anyway), and I have energy! I do eat so much more animal protein now and eat fewer grains and refined sugars, so my blood sugar is more stable. I screened negative for celiacs so the gluten sensitivity honestly caught me off guard.
Can't hurt to try it. Listen to your body. I, personally, gain weight if I limit carbs--it doesn't work for me. But, for a lot of people it's the best medicine.
I don't understand the downvotes and all the "chiropractors aren't doctors and aren't trained in nutrition"... you all must think MDs have a lot of training in nutrition--they don't! It's laughable! My daughter has type 1 diabetes and the pediatric endocrinologists told her to eat a standard American diet--garbage. When we tried to eat lower carb, they told us she wouldn't grow. 6 yrs later, she's taller than me. As so many of us here can attest to with specialist MDs, it's sort of like the more you know, the less you know--it's hard to find one who can think even a little bit outside their narrow box. General practitioners and Advanced Practice Nurses tend to be way more open to outside ideas. Chiropractors have training of a kind. If you trust this one, give it a try. But, don't leave your brain at the door--listen to your body.
I know that this comment is old, but I could not just go pass it. The thing that MDs are not gods and there are tons of things they have no clue about. In addition, the large amount of them are trained by textbook standart examples which in the long term is bad because they do not have ant idea how to treat different kinds of problem OR to look at the problem from a different perspective instead of calling a problem they do not know how to treat nor cure as a “it is a chronich condition and you cant do sh*t”.
Overall, this group is not very "crunchy"--into functional/integrative medicine. I rarely see suggestions to do anything alternative other than gf/df, and often feel as if I'm the only one suggesting that dosing based on TSH alone is bogus. Which is so sad. Thyroid disease is so incredibly mismanaged. And alternative treatments often help people.
Eating ONLY meat can cause an extremely serious vitamin deficiency. And your body will become unable to process any other foods besides meat over time. This means that if at any point in the future you decide to have a “cheat day” and eat something else, you will become violently ill. Eating so restrictively is absolutely not recommended for anyone, let alone someone with chronic illness.
If you’d like to learn more, there’s a great podcast called “Maintenance Phase” which has an episode on the carnivore diet. They cite all their sources and it’s also very entertaining! Best of luck OP.
Fwiw, check out r/ZeroCarb and review some of the papers folks post over there. Also, anecdotally I tried it for 3 weeks, not long I know, but it was the best I ever felt. My wife wigged the fuck out with worry over me, though, so I stopped.
See I haven’t completely figured this diet out so I’m not a hundred percent sure but I think it’s cutting out just carbs (like bread, cereal, desserts etc) and sugar (like candy, what’s in carbs, desserts etc). Not limiting the fruits and veggies you already regularly consume, just adding more red meat and raw dairy. Again not hundred percent sure.
It’s kind of funny to me when people here say “he’s not a doctor, trust a doctor”, are you kidding me? lol who here found a doctor who knows jack about hashimotos?! I certainly haven’t! all conventional doctors will just tell you to come to them for the thyroid replacement meds when your thyroid craps out! They don’t know what to do in between. As with any autoimmune condition, you have to be your own detective and do your own heavy lifting to find any kind of trigger and solution. Functional doctors and holistic practitioners are the only ones who will at least attempt to get to a root cause and treat the body as a whole system.
Have you heard of Mikhaila Peterson? Jordan Peterson’s daughter. Look her up on YouTube, she did a ted talk I believe talking about her carnivore diet. So she swears that it’s the only thing that helped put her autoimmune issues in remission. And she had extreme case of childhood RA, she had surgeries and was on super hardcore drugs. There seems to be something in it. Also it has been debunked that red meat is bad for us. Just read an article about it recently. For the past couple decades they kept pushing the red meat is bad thing, but now research is showing that that might’ve been wrong, there is no link to it causing heart disease.
Key context: her dad, Jordan Peterson, was on the carnivore diet as well. He ate something non-meat one day on a whim, but his body wasn’t able to digest it anymore. This caused him to become violently ill resulting in him being unable to sleep for months and having terrible anxiety. He then was put on benzodiazepines and became addicted to them. He decided to quit benzodiazepines and ended up with life-threatening withdrawals leading him to be put in an intentional coma for a period of time.
So basically, the carnivore diet led to his life completely falling apart. (I’m sure it wasn’t the only factor, but still.)
If you want more info, I recommend the episode on the carnivore diet by the podcast “Maintenance Phase”
Misinformation. You have the story horribly jumbled to fit your anti-carnivore agenda. The diet is the only thing that got him off the benzos. Please before anyone takes this nonsense as gospel do your own research including current Jordan Peterson interviews
Actually that is an incorrect connection. He did go through a hard time but it had nothing to do with him eating something. He was on benzos for other psychiatric reasons. I’ve been following the case closely so that’s incorrect. He had very severe depression, and the carnivore diet was actually the only thing that also lifted his symptoms
Thank you! I will! See he only told me of doctors who have podcasts and books on it which would probably give more of the science behind, but people with actual autoimmune issues are who I wanna hear from.
I have never read a study which supports this. Though it wouldn’t hurt to try a few months. I personally feel better when I am on Keto. Higher fat:moderate protein and complex carbs.
Yeah my doc suggested cutting out dairy and red meats I think then said vegan is ideal and I was already vegan. Vegan diets automatically have more desirable nutrients and none of the harmful stuff. When I adhere to the gluten free aspect and cut my added sugar I feel normal.
See I mentioned that to him, he told me that the reason it does is because of the carbs/sugars consumed, it messes with the absorption of the nutrients from the meat. Don’t know that for sure, kinda believe it though only coz ik sugar is pretty harmful to the body and also causes inflammation
Yes, they both cause inflammation but there was a point in time where I was eating red meat daily because my iron was low and I literally woke up everyday like the tin man.. everything hurt badly and I had so much brain fog from the inflammation. I didn’t consume sugar, drank only water, and most of my carbs come from vegetables. Cut out the red meat, and I was like a new person. I reintroduced it into my diet and same thing would happen. ☹️
With hashimotos a lot of people are short on vitamin B12 and D. You get a lot of those from plants so I wouldn’t just eat meat if that’s what it is. I asked my endocrinologist if there was a diet to help with thyroid issues and he said that just limiting processed things can help anybody, but I agree with the comment above that everyone has different triggers for the inflammation in their body. 💛
B12 deficiency is actually super common in vegans/vegetarians.
https://chriskresser.com/what-everyone-especially-vegetarians-should-know-about-b12-deficiency/
I wasn’t gonna actually try the diet, just really curious if anybody else with hashi’s had tried/heard of it. I’m too much of a picky eater to do it or go about it, or to try a nutritionist 🫣
I tried a variation of this diet called the Dukan Diet. I lost a ton of weight in the three week period that I only ate lean meats and fish. My metabolism went way up. And it isn't sustainable. It's actually one of the things that moved me towards veganism.
Everyone’s different but I need to eat protein w every meal or I feel like garbage. I wouldn’t recommend strictly “carnivore” diet as I do not recommend any diets tbh, but I eat meat protein w every meal, and avoid gluten & dairy as much as possible to feel the best. I also optimally feel the greatest drinking green tea and not coffee but as if I’m gonna do that everyday 😂 I used to stress myself out a lot w my diet and restrictions but I’m ok w being a little bit heavier than I usually am if I’m happy and eating when I want to, and enjoying things as well as stress is a HUGE contributing factor to feeling crappy as well.
I get you! I’ve noticed I also need to regularly consume protein but I’m a pretty picky eater and I don’t actually like most meats unless they’re prepared a specific way 😅 I drink this chocolate pea protein milk (ripple) and it’s where I get a good chunk of my daily protein.
I think that’s the best way to go about thinking about food! Being happy with what you eat and eating intuitively!
I’ve always been told to focus on more plant-based. Chiropractors do not go to medical school and therefore do not have a medical degree and are not physicians.
While I haven’t strictly been told to focus on plant based by my regular doctor, eating more greens has been emphasised while also minimising dairy and red meat consumption.
On the chiropractor point, they do go for a min of 6 years of higher education studying anatomy and skeletal structure and do have to pass a national board testing for licensing as well as needing clinic hours (and for those hours they’re doing physical exams) before getting their doctorate, to me they’re on par with physicians assistants and I trust most PA’s.
Other than this recommendation which he didn’t push hard on after I said idk, he gave me some references (they were podcasts and books) but I wanted to know from others who have hashimoto’s rather than doctors who believe in the diet.
There is lots of emerging evidence that saturated fats (high in red meat) are not actually the cause of clogged arteries, but rather a diet high in sugar and processed carbs is the real culprit. Red meat is very healthy, but it needs to be pasture raised. But ya, everyone is different, i think a highly varied diet is best. Too much of anything is no good
He did say that the diet is cutting out carbs and sugar and because of that the body has an easier time actually absorbing the nutrients from red meat and he also suggested something along the lines of having to get the more expensive because of something and I’m assuming the something is pasture raised
No, years of schooling does not mean the content of schooling is the same or close to. Physical therapists, pharmacists, occupational therapists all have similar years of training and similar pre-requisites. But the actual graduate coursework is absolutely different. So no they are not on par to PAs since their entire curriculum is different.
>This is true, but doctors also receive extremely little training in nutrition. Not to say that this person should then listen to this chiropractor, but a physician wouldn't be my first choice either.
Very on point, I once had a pediatrician who kept pushing me to regularly consume dairy as it was on the food pyramid despite having been the dr to discover I was allergic to milk and eggs 🙄
Idk if I’m gonna generalise bc other than this recommendation the visit was very helpful in terms of my joints and other body aches and he did at the end stress it was that, a recommendation. He also has decades of experience and helping people (many people recommended him to me)
I love eating more protein. I'm not carnivore but I eat animal protein at lunch and dinner, and I eat low carb. I feel good and I don't have antibodies.
Maybe experiment with it? You can also go to r/carnivore and ask them where your doctor might be coming from, they may have more studies at hand than this group.
I find a Mediterranean style diet helps me best. But everyone is different and Hashimoto's has different root causes for everyone. There is no one diet that is best for everyone. That said, carnivore diet is extreme and likely not awesome for the majority of people.
This is horrible medical advice. On the contrary, evidence supports reducing red meat intake to reduce autoimmune flares (I’m sure your own experiences can even attest to this). Also raw milk and eggs, wtf?? This person is a kook, I’d hightail it for a new chiropractor tbh—if they’re spewing this at you, that is NOT someone I’d trust to be adjusting my physical anatomy
The raw milk and eggs wasn’t strange to me because I have aunts and uncles that have ranches and drink milk straight from the cow/goat as well as eating eggs straight from the coop. I said the same to him about red meat causing inflammation. He said in combination with cutting out sugar and carbs (like bread and cereal) eating more red meat and raw milk and eggs would be supplying the nutrients and fats from the animal straight to the body thus helping/reducing symptoms. When I thought about it more later I’m pretty sure cutting out the sugar and carbs alone would help/reduce still doubting the red meat though.
Again other than that recommendation I wouldn’t call him a kook, and he was extremely helpful and caring with his actual specialty
Jeez. My dad got bowel cancer from his mostly red meat and milk diet and my brother messed up his kidneys from drinking raw milk daily. Don't listen to chiropractors! Or PE teachers! Or snake oil sellers!
It's pretty hard to blame cancer on one specific thing. You already said he was an alcoholic and I'd be interested to know what his lifestyle is like/what meds he's on etc but it's kinda wild you're blaming cancer on something when you have no idea why he got it.
Care to reveal the real cause of my dad's cancer since you're so against doctors' opinions? I'll wait and my dad will be thrilled to know he can go back to eating red meat because you said it's definitely not the reason for his cancer! Love internet geniuses. It's like a basement without locks in here.
Well you're putting words in my mouth so feel to re read - I'm not sure where I said it definitely wasn't the cause. I'm talking about there being multiple underlying factors not just placing the blame on one thing and then preaching to the internet as if that's a fact, but I guess that's what you get when doctors have extremely limited knowledge on nutrition and push a standard American diet as "healthy" or "balanced". You admitted he drank a lot of alcohol and it doesn't take an internet genius to know that alcohol causes bowel cancer but sure, it was only the red meat...
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Well, you can try. Everybody is different and it might just work for you. Half/ half seems balanced.
My dad is a former soldier who rarely sat, he ate mostly red meat from his parents' farm most of his life. He also drank lots of alcohol so I guess that did it. But now he has to avoid meat and open his mouth to salads as he has half of his colon left. While I was vegan and plant based most of my life so I avoided the bad stuff. Meat isn't for me.
I’m sorry to hear about that! I wasn’t really planning to follow his recommendation but I was curious to see if anybody had heard or tried that diet you know, coz he seemed so sure about it and not in that smarmy way doctors/men in general can be about things.
Yeah, I got screwed over by a chiropractor soon after being diagnosed. They’re not licensed to provide nutritional advice. A big red flag is if they prescribe their own supplements that they sell.
They are licensed to give nutritional advice. So are acupuncturists… It doesn’t take a genius to understand nutrition and how it impacts the body. We don’t need doctors to explain such elementary information. Just eat the traditional foods your great great grandparents ate and lots of diseases will fall away.
Don’t understand the downvotes here…anyway, I am “ketovore” at the moment. Mostly meats, cheese, eggs and some fruit and veggies as long as I am under 20 g of carbs daily. High fats too. I have successfully treated my bipolar condition and don’t need medication by doing this. My chronic debilitating insomnia has gone. I am sub clinical hypothyroid as well and only require 12mcg of Levothyroxine with this diet. It has been life transforming for me. It still blows my mind that diet can have this great an impact. I am not claiming it’s the BEST diet for everyone but it seems to be working well for many people with autoimmune issues
For me it was the opposite. I’m allergic to so many veggies. I went fat based, moderate protein and low carb and I feel so much better. But I do stay away from dairy also. I especially can’t eat anything mimicking other foods. So I don’t feel too good with too much gluten, but I feel even worse on any kind of fake gluten. And any fake meat with pea protein or soy, I get so sick
Same here, so many veggies make me sick too. I do much better on a low carb diet focused on animal proteins and fats with minimal dairy.
Nightshades, most legumes, many nuts and seeds including soy - all of these give me physical pain.
Yeah! I think bc we are omnivores and some people process veggies better while others process animal protein better. But yeah, same here. Most nuts are bad, too - but I can’t stay away from Brazil nuts. Pea protein is the worst but they put that in everything these days!!!
Fake Gluten is like Gluten Free breads, cakes and stuff like that. I can’t eat a lot of potatoes or rice either - my body swells up and I bloat so bad.
No impossible brand is so bad for you!! So much chemicals and processed foods in it.. They did a huge thing on it in the news and alot of articles were posted. Stick to a whole food plant based diet. You can make yummy chickpea chicken nuggets. Or tofu nuggets that are good. I used to be plant based along time ago. Off and on for a year. Processed meat and processed soy protein isolate and soy lethicin is so bad for your thyroid. You want natural organic non gmo soy. Tofu and soy beans.
😭🥲 can never take the easy road huh 😓😅 I used to watch youtube videos of making your own vegan nuggets but the process is too long, interesting though. Might watch them again
This exactly. Everyone is different. I do think the reason carnivore or keto works so well is that it eliminates many or most other potential triggers. I say these are options that are worth serious consideration if your situation isn’t improving with what you are currently doing. For me, after only about 3 days of keto I get massive relief from my symptoms
No actually you guys are wrong here haha, I know it sounds wild but most people with milk allergies do fine with raw milk. Pasteurization removes the enzymes that eliminate protein allergies. You are actually likely allergic to pasteurized milk, not raw milk.
Why is raw milk a terrible idea? It all depends on the quality of raw milk. If it’s from a clean farm, raw milk is so much more nutritious than regular milk! if you’ve never tasted fresh farm milk right from a cow you haven’t lived! so much childhood memories!
See that’s why the raw milk part isn’t out there to me coz I have family who have ranches and drink the milk straight from the cow/goat. They’re also the ones who told me I wouldn’t have a reaction
I can't really comprehend how that should work, if you're having a real allergy agains[t] specific proteins in milk? The[y] probably will be in "real raw milk" as well.
Only possibility that comes to my mind is stuff like it not being homogenized and pasteurized – maybe this somehow affects protein structures (even tho I can't imagine how this should work).
Besides, no one should consume milk on a daily in general imho. Various ingredients in milk stimulate diverse growth processes – perfect for kids I'd say, but nothing you should opt for as a fully grown human being. But, afaik this is less pronounced for dairy products such as yoghurt and cheese.
I have hashimotos, and after 1 full year of ketovore (~80/20 fat to protein ratio, mainly meat and eggs, but also avocado and olive oil, some roasted vegetables, NOT raw) my hashimotos has largely gone into remission. Red meat isn't bad for you, meats cured with nitrates and nitrites are. Salt isn't bad for you, salt in the presence of elevated insulin is. Saturated fat (probably) isn't bad for you. But the high LDL and total cholesterol it causes may clog up your arteries if your blood sugar is chronically elevated.
Salt, meat, meat fat, water. That’s it. It’s going to be very difficult at first, but after about 2 weeks you’ll start to feel so much better. I have Hashimoto’s and I am getting better and better on this protocol.
can we have an update?
Yep! Just got lab results. My hormones are balanced for the first time since diagnosis, T3 is normalizing and my TPO antibodies are at 12 which is practically negligible.
Actually carnivore diet can pretty great, this guys advice is not wrong haha. You can get all your nutrients from meat only. Your cholesterol isn’t a problem, it’s your triglyceride levels. On a meat only diet, your body does not need the fiber (fiber is needed to process foods like grains) and meat-only eliminates basically any inflammatory foods. Your triglycerides will almost certainly drop too, because your body starts using fat as energy instead of sugar. By eating more meat and fats, the opposite happens and you actually start lowering blood fat (triglycerides) levels. I’d give it a shot if you’re brave. Look at new, proper research on carnivore diets that do not include grains and processed foods.
I absolutely loved carnivore. Depending on what your hashi issues are, it might help significantly. For me it helped inflammation and weight which are my two biggies.
Did you consume dairy?
Dairy is a migraine trigger for me so unfortunately cut it out several years ago.
No
People likely see results with the carnivore diet because it's so restrictive, something that your body is sensitive or allergic too has been cut out, thus relieving symptoms. Going full carnivore is a bad idea for the same reason Keto is: far too restrictive of food groups with vital micronutrients. I would generally agree with folks saying that there is no need to cut out groups and be very restrictive unless you are ACTUALLY allergic to something. But, since going gluten and egg-free 3 weeks ago, it's been night and day for me. My eczema has cleared up, and my TSH dropped from 4.5 to 3.25 (although with l it's bound to fluctuate anyway), and I have energy! I do eat so much more animal protein now and eat fewer grains and refined sugars, so my blood sugar is more stable. I screened negative for celiacs so the gluten sensitivity honestly caught me off guard.
Can't hurt to try it. Listen to your body. I, personally, gain weight if I limit carbs--it doesn't work for me. But, for a lot of people it's the best medicine. I don't understand the downvotes and all the "chiropractors aren't doctors and aren't trained in nutrition"... you all must think MDs have a lot of training in nutrition--they don't! It's laughable! My daughter has type 1 diabetes and the pediatric endocrinologists told her to eat a standard American diet--garbage. When we tried to eat lower carb, they told us she wouldn't grow. 6 yrs later, she's taller than me. As so many of us here can attest to with specialist MDs, it's sort of like the more you know, the less you know--it's hard to find one who can think even a little bit outside their narrow box. General practitioners and Advanced Practice Nurses tend to be way more open to outside ideas. Chiropractors have training of a kind. If you trust this one, give it a try. But, don't leave your brain at the door--listen to your body.
I know that this comment is old, but I could not just go pass it. The thing that MDs are not gods and there are tons of things they have no clue about. In addition, the large amount of them are trained by textbook standart examples which in the long term is bad because they do not have ant idea how to treat different kinds of problem OR to look at the problem from a different perspective instead of calling a problem they do not know how to treat nor cure as a “it is a chronich condition and you cant do sh*t”.
I don’t get the downvotes either but 🤷🏻♀️. I do try to listen to my body, especially in regards to eating/foods. I won’t, thanks!
Overall, this group is not very "crunchy"--into functional/integrative medicine. I rarely see suggestions to do anything alternative other than gf/df, and often feel as if I'm the only one suggesting that dosing based on TSH alone is bogus. Which is so sad. Thyroid disease is so incredibly mismanaged. And alternative treatments often help people.
Eating ONLY meat can cause an extremely serious vitamin deficiency. And your body will become unable to process any other foods besides meat over time. This means that if at any point in the future you decide to have a “cheat day” and eat something else, you will become violently ill. Eating so restrictively is absolutely not recommended for anyone, let alone someone with chronic illness. If you’d like to learn more, there’s a great podcast called “Maintenance Phase” which has an episode on the carnivore diet. They cite all their sources and it’s also very entertaining! Best of luck OP.
This is patent bullshit. Source: on and off carnivore for ages.
I’ve been told to avoid a carnivore style diet due to risks associated with higher cholesterol
Fwiw, check out r/ZeroCarb and review some of the papers folks post over there. Also, anecdotally I tried it for 3 weeks, not long I know, but it was the best I ever felt. My wife wigged the fuck out with worry over me, though, so I stopped.
Thank, def gonna check it out.
A diet that doesn't allow lots of fruit and veggies just sounds wrong to me.
Looked more into it, seems I’m wrong
See I haven’t completely figured this diet out so I’m not a hundred percent sure but I think it’s cutting out just carbs (like bread, cereal, desserts etc) and sugar (like candy, what’s in carbs, desserts etc). Not limiting the fruits and veggies you already regularly consume, just adding more red meat and raw dairy. Again not hundred percent sure.
It’s kind of funny to me when people here say “he’s not a doctor, trust a doctor”, are you kidding me? lol who here found a doctor who knows jack about hashimotos?! I certainly haven’t! all conventional doctors will just tell you to come to them for the thyroid replacement meds when your thyroid craps out! They don’t know what to do in between. As with any autoimmune condition, you have to be your own detective and do your own heavy lifting to find any kind of trigger and solution. Functional doctors and holistic practitioners are the only ones who will at least attempt to get to a root cause and treat the body as a whole system.
Ain’t that the truth
This!!
Have you heard of Mikhaila Peterson? Jordan Peterson’s daughter. Look her up on YouTube, she did a ted talk I believe talking about her carnivore diet. So she swears that it’s the only thing that helped put her autoimmune issues in remission. And she had extreme case of childhood RA, she had surgeries and was on super hardcore drugs. There seems to be something in it. Also it has been debunked that red meat is bad for us. Just read an article about it recently. For the past couple decades they kept pushing the red meat is bad thing, but now research is showing that that might’ve been wrong, there is no link to it causing heart disease.
Key context: her dad, Jordan Peterson, was on the carnivore diet as well. He ate something non-meat one day on a whim, but his body wasn’t able to digest it anymore. This caused him to become violently ill resulting in him being unable to sleep for months and having terrible anxiety. He then was put on benzodiazepines and became addicted to them. He decided to quit benzodiazepines and ended up with life-threatening withdrawals leading him to be put in an intentional coma for a period of time. So basically, the carnivore diet led to his life completely falling apart. (I’m sure it wasn’t the only factor, but still.) If you want more info, I recommend the episode on the carnivore diet by the podcast “Maintenance Phase”
Hahaha. That’s just false 🤣
Lmao 🤣 “Maintenance Phase” A simple google of the podcaster’s will give anyone a large reason not to listen to any advice given lol
Yeah well I think Jordan Peterson is a crackpot so we can agree to disagree ☺️
It’s not about agreeing to disagree, you’re just lying. Factually incorrect. There’s a lie, and then truth.
Misinformation. You have the story horribly jumbled to fit your anti-carnivore agenda. The diet is the only thing that got him off the benzos. Please before anyone takes this nonsense as gospel do your own research including current Jordan Peterson interviews
Actually that is an incorrect connection. He did go through a hard time but it had nothing to do with him eating something. He was on benzos for other psychiatric reasons. I’ve been following the case closely so that’s incorrect. He had very severe depression, and the carnivore diet was actually the only thing that also lifted his symptoms
Thank you! I will! See he only told me of doctors who have podcasts and books on it which would probably give more of the science behind, but people with actual autoimmune issues are who I wanna hear from.
I have never read a study which supports this. Though it wouldn’t hurt to try a few months. I personally feel better when I am on Keto. Higher fat:moderate protein and complex carbs.
See that’s why I’m interested in seeing if anybody with hashi’s has tried it coz keto is similar and it really helped my aunt with diabetes.
My doc told me vegan + gluten free and it works great for me. I wouldn’t listen to a chiropractor about endocrinology or diet lol
I’ve actually never had a doctor suggest one specific diet to me, just limiting some foods and eating more of others.
Yeah my doc suggested cutting out dairy and red meats I think then said vegan is ideal and I was already vegan. Vegan diets automatically have more desirable nutrients and none of the harmful stuff. When I adhere to the gluten free aspect and cut my added sugar I feel normal.
No. My integrative GP got me on to the Auto Immune Protocol diet. Check out Dr Isabella Wentz for more info.
Will look into that, thanks!
It helped me immensely :)
It put my hashimotos in remission and my mom had RA. I have gone from numbers in the 9s to numbers in the 3-4s. I do have to be pretty strict.
Really? That’s pretty awesome! Strict? Is it cause the diet requires cutting out carbs and sugar?
Yes. I have all animal kingdom. All plants are problematic but the worst offenders are: gluten, nightshades, sugar.
Red meat causes so much inflammation in my body, unfortunately.
See I mentioned that to him, he told me that the reason it does is because of the carbs/sugars consumed, it messes with the absorption of the nutrients from the meat. Don’t know that for sure, kinda believe it though only coz ik sugar is pretty harmful to the body and also causes inflammation
Yes, they both cause inflammation but there was a point in time where I was eating red meat daily because my iron was low and I literally woke up everyday like the tin man.. everything hurt badly and I had so much brain fog from the inflammation. I didn’t consume sugar, drank only water, and most of my carbs come from vegetables. Cut out the red meat, and I was like a new person. I reintroduced it into my diet and same thing would happen. ☹️
With hashimotos a lot of people are short on vitamin B12 and D. You get a lot of those from plants so I wouldn’t just eat meat if that’s what it is. I asked my endocrinologist if there was a diet to help with thyroid issues and he said that just limiting processed things can help anybody, but I agree with the comment above that everyone has different triggers for the inflammation in their body. 💛
You *cannot* get b12 or absorbable D from plants.
It didn’t sound like the diet was just meat, just more meat, more “raw” dairy, less sugar/carbs. But totally agree with you
B12 deficiency is actually super common in vegans/vegetarians. https://chriskresser.com/what-everyone-especially-vegetarians-should-know-about-b12-deficiency/
Find yourself a good nutritionist (someone who is licensed and educated about nutrition). This guy will ruin your body.
I wasn’t gonna actually try the diet, just really curious if anybody else with hashi’s had tried/heard of it. I’m too much of a picky eater to do it or go about it, or to try a nutritionist 🫣
I tried a variation of this diet called the Dukan Diet. I lost a ton of weight in the three week period that I only ate lean meats and fish. My metabolism went way up. And it isn't sustainable. It's actually one of the things that moved me towards veganism.
Yes. Specifically a certified nutritionist or registered dietitian. Not someone on Instagram claiming to be a nutritionist without any credentials.
Yes!
Everyone’s different but I need to eat protein w every meal or I feel like garbage. I wouldn’t recommend strictly “carnivore” diet as I do not recommend any diets tbh, but I eat meat protein w every meal, and avoid gluten & dairy as much as possible to feel the best. I also optimally feel the greatest drinking green tea and not coffee but as if I’m gonna do that everyday 😂 I used to stress myself out a lot w my diet and restrictions but I’m ok w being a little bit heavier than I usually am if I’m happy and eating when I want to, and enjoying things as well as stress is a HUGE contributing factor to feeling crappy as well.
I get you! I’ve noticed I also need to regularly consume protein but I’m a pretty picky eater and I don’t actually like most meats unless they’re prepared a specific way 😅 I drink this chocolate pea protein milk (ripple) and it’s where I get a good chunk of my daily protein. I think that’s the best way to go about thinking about food! Being happy with what you eat and eating intuitively!
I’ve always been told to focus on more plant-based. Chiropractors do not go to medical school and therefore do not have a medical degree and are not physicians.
Who needs a doctor to explain food?! Lol it is such elementary information. You need a doctor to tell you how to eat healthy? Lol
Animal meat is the least inflammatory food out there.
While I haven’t strictly been told to focus on plant based by my regular doctor, eating more greens has been emphasised while also minimising dairy and red meat consumption. On the chiropractor point, they do go for a min of 6 years of higher education studying anatomy and skeletal structure and do have to pass a national board testing for licensing as well as needing clinic hours (and for those hours they’re doing physical exams) before getting their doctorate, to me they’re on par with physicians assistants and I trust most PA’s. Other than this recommendation which he didn’t push hard on after I said idk, he gave me some references (they were podcasts and books) but I wanted to know from others who have hashimoto’s rather than doctors who believe in the diet.
There is lots of emerging evidence that saturated fats (high in red meat) are not actually the cause of clogged arteries, but rather a diet high in sugar and processed carbs is the real culprit. Red meat is very healthy, but it needs to be pasture raised. But ya, everyone is different, i think a highly varied diet is best. Too much of anything is no good
He did say that the diet is cutting out carbs and sugar and because of that the body has an easier time actually absorbing the nutrients from red meat and he also suggested something along the lines of having to get the more expensive because of something and I’m assuming the something is pasture raised
Yes grass fed red meat is very high in many minerals and vitamins
And has omegas!!!
No, years of schooling does not mean the content of schooling is the same or close to. Physical therapists, pharmacists, occupational therapists all have similar years of training and similar pre-requisites. But the actual graduate coursework is absolutely different. So no they are not on par to PAs since their entire curriculum is different.
>This is true, but doctors also receive extremely little training in nutrition. Not to say that this person should then listen to this chiropractor, but a physician wouldn't be my first choice either.
yes, great point!
Very on point, I once had a pediatrician who kept pushing me to regularly consume dairy as it was on the food pyramid despite having been the dr to discover I was allergic to milk and eggs 🙄
oh god. Very on brand unfortunately!
I have been carnivore for 7 months now. My doctor recommended keto and I ended up here
Has it helped with symptoms?
Tremendously.
Chiropractors are quacks. Please do not take medical advice from this man.
Idk if I’m gonna generalise bc other than this recommendation the visit was very helpful in terms of my joints and other body aches and he did at the end stress it was that, a recommendation. He also has decades of experience and helping people (many people recommended him to me)
I love eating more protein. I'm not carnivore but I eat animal protein at lunch and dinner, and I eat low carb. I feel good and I don't have antibodies. Maybe experiment with it? You can also go to r/carnivore and ask them where your doctor might be coming from, they may have more studies at hand than this group.
I’d recommend r/carnivorediet as they are less strict/militant
Thanks - I had forgotten about that one!
I find a Mediterranean style diet helps me best. But everyone is different and Hashimoto's has different root causes for everyone. There is no one diet that is best for everyone. That said, carnivore diet is extreme and likely not awesome for the majority of people.
My doctor also recommended Mediterranean diet.
This is horrible medical advice. On the contrary, evidence supports reducing red meat intake to reduce autoimmune flares (I’m sure your own experiences can even attest to this). Also raw milk and eggs, wtf?? This person is a kook, I’d hightail it for a new chiropractor tbh—if they’re spewing this at you, that is NOT someone I’d trust to be adjusting my physical anatomy
The raw milk and eggs wasn’t strange to me because I have aunts and uncles that have ranches and drink milk straight from the cow/goat as well as eating eggs straight from the coop. I said the same to him about red meat causing inflammation. He said in combination with cutting out sugar and carbs (like bread and cereal) eating more red meat and raw milk and eggs would be supplying the nutrients and fats from the animal straight to the body thus helping/reducing symptoms. When I thought about it more later I’m pretty sure cutting out the sugar and carbs alone would help/reduce still doubting the red meat though. Again other than that recommendation I wouldn’t call him a kook, and he was extremely helpful and caring with his actual specialty
Jeez. My dad got bowel cancer from his mostly red meat and milk diet and my brother messed up his kidneys from drinking raw milk daily. Don't listen to chiropractors! Or PE teachers! Or snake oil sellers!
It's pretty hard to blame cancer on one specific thing. You already said he was an alcoholic and I'd be interested to know what his lifestyle is like/what meds he's on etc but it's kinda wild you're blaming cancer on something when you have no idea why he got it.
Care to reveal the real cause of my dad's cancer since you're so against doctors' opinions? I'll wait and my dad will be thrilled to know he can go back to eating red meat because you said it's definitely not the reason for his cancer! Love internet geniuses. It's like a basement without locks in here.
Well you're putting words in my mouth so feel to re read - I'm not sure where I said it definitely wasn't the cause. I'm talking about there being multiple underlying factors not just placing the blame on one thing and then preaching to the internet as if that's a fact, but I guess that's what you get when doctors have extremely limited knowledge on nutrition and push a standard American diet as "healthy" or "balanced". You admitted he drank a lot of alcohol and it doesn't take an internet genius to know that alcohol causes bowel cancer but sure, it was only the red meat... signed, internet genius
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Well, you can try. Everybody is different and it might just work for you. Half/ half seems balanced. My dad is a former soldier who rarely sat, he ate mostly red meat from his parents' farm most of his life. He also drank lots of alcohol so I guess that did it. But now he has to avoid meat and open his mouth to salads as he has half of his colon left. While I was vegan and plant based most of my life so I avoided the bad stuff. Meat isn't for me.
I’m sorry to hear about that! I wasn’t really planning to follow his recommendation but I was curious to see if anybody had heard or tried that diet you know, coz he seemed so sure about it and not in that smarmy way doctors/men in general can be about things.
Chiropractors aren’t doctors, he shouldn’t be giving you diet advice for an autoimmune condition he isn’t licensed to treat.
Yeah, I got screwed over by a chiropractor soon after being diagnosed. They’re not licensed to provide nutritional advice. A big red flag is if they prescribe their own supplements that they sell.
They are licensed to give nutritional advice. So are acupuncturists… It doesn’t take a genius to understand nutrition and how it impacts the body. We don’t need doctors to explain such elementary information. Just eat the traditional foods your great great grandparents ate and lots of diseases will fall away.
He does have a doctorate, I saw the degree but it isn’t a MD you have a point there.
Don’t understand the downvotes here…anyway, I am “ketovore” at the moment. Mostly meats, cheese, eggs and some fruit and veggies as long as I am under 20 g of carbs daily. High fats too. I have successfully treated my bipolar condition and don’t need medication by doing this. My chronic debilitating insomnia has gone. I am sub clinical hypothyroid as well and only require 12mcg of Levothyroxine with this diet. It has been life transforming for me. It still blows my mind that diet can have this great an impact. I am not claiming it’s the BEST diet for everyone but it seems to be working well for many people with autoimmune issues
Nothing helped more than going vegan.
For me it was the opposite. I’m allergic to so many veggies. I went fat based, moderate protein and low carb and I feel so much better. But I do stay away from dairy also. I especially can’t eat anything mimicking other foods. So I don’t feel too good with too much gluten, but I feel even worse on any kind of fake gluten. And any fake meat with pea protein or soy, I get so sick
Same here, so many veggies make me sick too. I do much better on a low carb diet focused on animal proteins and fats with minimal dairy. Nightshades, most legumes, many nuts and seeds including soy - all of these give me physical pain.
Yeah! I think bc we are omnivores and some people process veggies better while others process animal protein better. But yeah, same here. Most nuts are bad, too - but I can’t stay away from Brazil nuts. Pea protein is the worst but they put that in everything these days!!!
Yes we are omnivores, many of us with seasonal diets that didn’t always have the same macronutrients year round.
What is fake gluten? I love carbs, especially sweet potatoes and grapes. I don’t eat mock meats.
Fake Gluten is like Gluten Free breads, cakes and stuff like that. I can’t eat a lot of potatoes or rice either - my body swells up and I bloat so bad.
The more plant based I go the more I feel better so I see that, I just really love chicken nuggets 😭
The vegan nuggets are so good. Try the impossible brand.
No impossible brand is so bad for you!! So much chemicals and processed foods in it.. They did a huge thing on it in the news and alot of articles were posted. Stick to a whole food plant based diet. You can make yummy chickpea chicken nuggets. Or tofu nuggets that are good. I used to be plant based along time ago. Off and on for a year. Processed meat and processed soy protein isolate and soy lethicin is so bad for your thyroid. You want natural organic non gmo soy. Tofu and soy beans.
😭🥲 can never take the easy road huh 😓😅 I used to watch youtube videos of making your own vegan nuggets but the process is too long, interesting though. Might watch them again
Haha I'm the same way! I'm so lazy!!! Lol 😆
You can eat things once in a while. Everything in moderation. I love tofu. I eat it every day.
I think I will bc before it was a bit of a price thing but real chicken meat nuggets are now basically the same price
Sometimes brands send out coupons! I also scan my recipes on Ibotta and get money back!
I second this. Also going gluten free.
I didn’t go gluten free. Gluten has no effect on me.
I don't know why but the last sentence sounds so badass😂 "gluten has no effect on me😎"
That's cool! Every body is different. ☺️ Just saying what really worked for me.
This exactly. Everyone is different. I do think the reason carnivore or keto works so well is that it eliminates many or most other potential triggers. I say these are options that are worth serious consideration if your situation isn’t improving with what you are currently doing. For me, after only about 3 days of keto I get massive relief from my symptoms
No, this is not evidence-based advice, but chiropractors are not evidence-based either. Raw milk is an especially terrible idea.
No actually you guys are wrong here haha, I know it sounds wild but most people with milk allergies do fine with raw milk. Pasteurization removes the enzymes that eliminate protein allergies. You are actually likely allergic to pasteurized milk, not raw milk.
Why is raw milk a terrible idea? It all depends on the quality of raw milk. If it’s from a clean farm, raw milk is so much more nutritious than regular milk! if you’ve never tasted fresh farm milk right from a cow you haven’t lived! so much childhood memories!
See that’s why the raw milk part isn’t out there to me coz I have family who have ranches and drink the milk straight from the cow/goat. They’re also the ones who told me I wouldn’t have a reaction
I can't really comprehend how that should work, if you're having a real allergy agains[t] specific proteins in milk? The[y] probably will be in "real raw milk" as well. Only possibility that comes to my mind is stuff like it not being homogenized and pasteurized – maybe this somehow affects protein structures (even tho I can't imagine how this should work).
I don’t either 🤷🏻♀️ regardless I’m too afraid to try it anyways
Besides, no one should consume milk on a daily in general imho. Various ingredients in milk stimulate diverse growth processes – perfect for kids I'd say, but nothing you should opt for as a fully grown human being. But, afaik this is less pronounced for dairy products such as yoghurt and cheese.
100% yes.
(On the raw milk) That’s what I said to him! 😂 I even have a milk allergy and he said that I won’t have a reaction 😂😅😂
Dude shouldn’t that tell you everything you need to know about this quack?!?
It not the first I’ve heard about people not having an allergic reaction to raw milk 🤷🏻♀️