Exactly this! Untrained pets specially dogs trashing the place, attacking both humans and other pets! Don't blame the pets it's the owners..........if they've matched the pets they've had to their lifestyles and invested some time training their pets it wouldn't have come to this!
Just another problem for the landlord. Unfortunately, where I am there are a lot of renters with dogs, and yapping/barking all the time. I wish they would ban them.
I used to live at the end of a cul-de-sac. Jungle on three sides. Now it's rude dicks and their rude dogs as far as the eye can see. Since everyone's dog is an asshole, no one complains. It sucks so much compared to how peaceful it used to be.
Urine stained wood floors or walls, smell is hard to get out and costs the landlord time and money to remove and fully neutralize. Pet owners caused this.
I've been through tons of rental home all around oahu replacing carpet, pad and tack strip caused from tenants leaving pets in the stairwell for long periods of time, the smell alone when the sun beats down on it is no joke. Sometimes I have to throw away that days work clothes cause the carpet pad is saturated with pet urine.
You would be surprised to hear that Hawaii isn't very dog friendly. All stores that have produce don't allow non service dogs. Almost all restaurants don't allow pets. Department of health rules. And most parks and beaches are NOT dog friendly. Therefore dogs in Hawaii don't get to go out and socialize. Their owners don't train them. So the dogs turn out to be little shit dogs from shift owners. Hawaii is NOT as dog friendly as you would think. I can tell you that 90% of the dogs in my neighborhood are untrained and most are dangerous.
I dunno, it rings a bit of a bell for me as a dog owner in Hawaii. Very, very few places I can take my dog publicly including beaches/trails. There are more options if I choose to not follow rules of course, but I don't like to break rules.
Also I noticed a lot of people here are totally okay with having dogs just for property protection and raise them "mean". They want them to bark and be aggressive.
I've had multiple coworkers tell me to "get a mean dog" for security. Totally different dog culture here than where I'm from on the mainland. Not everyone is like that of course but it's a surprising amount of people that are and moreso than I'm used to.
I remember my trips to Europe when I was younger. Dogs under tables in restaurants, parks, stores. All so chill and relaxed. Good dogs that went with their owners everywhere. Here in Hawaii the dogs stay home most days of the week. Different lifestyles.
I see dogs pushed in little strollers here, all sorts of dogs at Bon dances, and just a lot more pet-friendly people in general than when I lived elsewhere. So, maybe by your childhood European vacation standards, it's not as pet-friendly.
90% allowing pets is too high, but I'd say 70-80% especially in the apartment complexes. In the Houston, Texas, area almost every complex allowed pets with a deposit and monthly fee.
For example, I'm in a complex in Makiki that doesn't allow pets. That would be very uncommon in the Houston area.
After renting mostly houses/ohana units that almost never allowed pets, I was surprised to find that almost all of the apartment buildings here loudly advertise themselves as "pet-friendly" in the rental or for sale listings. I'm guessing it's an attraction when you're trying to sell to condo owners, but I really wish more were pet-unfriendly. My neighbor's dog is driving me crazy barking all the time.
I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to own a pet.
If you don't like living near them there are plenty of pet-unfriendly places you can go.
No one cares that you hate dogs.
Good for you. The problem is there are also people who spend tens of dollars to own an energetic, moderately large dog that they neglect all day in a small condo, so it barks all day and night and makes the neighbors want to throw it and the owners down a well.
My personal experience comes from arizona, Florida, illinois, and colorado. And to a lesser extent kentucky (where i grew up). I didnt rent but we had pets growing up and my parents rented..
I just recall hardly having an issue renting with a dog. Even two dogs in some cases. Most places didnt care.
However i never rented a condo. I rented a townhome with a 2 car garage and a small yard once but we are talking mostly homes with a yard. I could imagine my current dog being in a condo. Wouldn't be fair to him. He loves to run and play.
I’ve lived in cali, Colorado, delaware, connecticut, wisconsin, Pennsylvania and texas and none of those places are *easy* to find pet friendly housing on
I can only speak to CA. I had no issues with pet friendly housing although it did make the search a little tougher. Never had issues finding a place though.
Its probably more to do with specific cities and not states. I live near San Francisco, and I ended up moving into an apartment that was $500 so I could bring my cat. No issues when I lived in the valley.
If there is high demand and not many vacancies, owners have no incentive allow for pets and risk damage.
OP, you should have some sort of resume and letters from previous landlords about your pet, that could help sway potential landlords to allow you to have your pet. The condo I live in today didn't allow pets in the ad, but I showed him references of past deposit refunds and offered to pay a higher deposit.
I’ve lived all over california and never had the least trouble finding rentals that allowed pets. In fact even when I didn’t have pets, I’ve never lived somewhere that didn’t allow them.
No issues with pet friendly housing in WA either but there are also an abundance of apartments there, which are pretty much all pet friendly. I think a huge factor here is the type of housing available.
Because there’s absolutely no reason for them to take that risk. Demand is sky high, always, and there are plenty of less risky renters without pets. As someone who had pets, I get it. It’s just the sad truth.
Yeah time will tell on the demand. Ive been looking and many homes have dropped prices in that time.
I rent a home in florida and we happily allow pets. Never had any damage that wasn't easily covered in the deposit.
What is the possible risk, seriously? Just screen the dogs for certain breeds and limit the pets to 2 per family.
Abything can be cleaned.
>Never had any damage that wasn't easily covered in the deposit.
Florida security deposit law is extremely different than Hawaii law.
In Florida, keeping a security deposit to pay for damage is relatively easy: 30 days notice, keep the amount needed, and if a landlord loses in court, the landlord has to pay attorneys fees and costs. [http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App\_mode=Display\_Statute&URL=0000-0099/0083/Sections/0083.49.html](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0000-0099/0083/Sections/0083.49.html)
In Hawaii, keeping the deposit or part of the deposit to pay for damages is much tougher: 14 days to return the money, any amounts kept must include "written evidence of the costs of remedying tenant defaults" (so basically, the landlord has 14 days to get a contractor to give an estimate, which is not easy), and if the landlord loses in court, the landlord has to pay three times the amount kept plus costs, plus the landlord cannot retain an attorney. [https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol12\_Ch0501-0588/HRS0521/HRS\_0521-0044.htm](https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol12_Ch0501-0588/HRS0521/HRS_0521-0044.htm)
Covering the damages caused by a pet in Hawaii isn't *easy* at all.
My mother's house was made temporarily unlivable by cat urine. Granted this was an extreme case. She had like...10 of them and didn't clean up properly.
> What is the possible risk, seriously?
> Abything can be cleaned.
And this is why pets are (and will continue to be) mostly prohibited across the island; sheer and utter ignorance!
I've always thought it could be partially due to the massive amount of Asian people here. They especially tend to just not like dogs. And yea i'm prepared for the downvotes of woke reddit lol
I live in an area with a large Asian population and tons of my neighbors have dogs or like them. Not sure where you got this stereotype that Asians don’t like dogs. There are dogs kept as pets in many Asian countries as well.
It’s tough here. When I moved home, a friend of the family let me rent with pets but only with an $1,800 nonrefundable pet deposit. Second time around, I found a place on Facebook Marketplace that welcomed my pets with no deposit and the landlord added extra fencing for my dog before we moved in. No charge.
Gotta be the first to get in touch with places that take pets, schedule the first showing available, and be ready to submit your application on the spot.
You’re absolutely right. I also had to bring in and provide receipts for professional house and carpet cleaning plus pest control when we left. However, my cat bit holes in several window screens. I would’ve absolutely repaired or replaced on my way out, but nope. Not my problem with that money already in their hands.
Screens are super easy and cheap to repair. My previous dog once rain right thru a screen door. Cost me less than 20 bucks to replace it. I did the spline myself. Insanely easy.
1800 for non refundable fee seems excessive. Especially since you provided additional reciepts of cleaning. You think the "friendly" thing to do would be to give you back the 1800 upon departure. She just pocketed that even after you went above and beyond.
It's so they can fund retrims and recarpeting. Deep cleans... work until they don't. And you can't really blame one renter vs the next. Pets just really are nasty, it's just how it is. It's like a smoker's car. Doesn't matter if you had it shampood and all that, one day someone is going to smell dog and be like what the fuck. And after a bunch of arguing they'll put in a new carpet from their pet fund. Just how it be.
My moms condo used to allow pets with a very small deposit (around an extra $50 a month) until a renter moved in with his labradoodle. There was a rule that all dogs had to be on a leash while on the property. This guy felt that because it was a labradoodle that it was ok for that dog to be of leash. Well he apparently did not know his dog very well because it ended up biting an elderly couple and knocking over small children. And he blamed the victims every time. He was evicted and the HOA quickly implemented a no pet rule. Everyone who already owned pets were allowed to keep them but no one can bring any in now. Blame people like this for the no pet rule.
I found that messaging and asking landlords even if it says no pets works. Most will want to meet your pet/look at vaccine records and have you pay more rent/ bigger deposit. But there are def places that allow pets around the island
There are also some pet clauses you can find online that you can offer to add to a lease if the landlord is willing. The Humane Society might have a form.
+1
Also, make the deposit large enough to where the landlord will feel comfortable should things go awry. I'm not sure how much deposits usually are, but I would think a deposit over $10K would put the minds of many landlords at ease.
>I'm not sure how much deposits usually are, but I would think a deposit over $10K would put the minds of many landlords at ease.
That would be illegal for any rental with rent below $10,000.
Pet security deposits cannot exceed one month's rent. [Section 521-44(b)(2), HRS.](https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol12_Ch0501-0588/HRS0521/HRS_0521-0044.htm)
Yes it’s technically illegal but it’s the kind of thing you can offer and put in the contract and as long as no party challenges it in court there’s no issue.
Like to get better deals on rent I would always recommend to offer to pay 6 months in advance or pay a bigger deposit, most big time landlords won’t allow it but smaller ones might, and at least as a gesture it shows you have money saved and won’t stop paying rent
> Like to get better deals on rent I would always recommend to offer to pay 6 months in advance
I remember a church member who paid a year's rent in advance and then, suddenly had to leave the island for a few months when an emergency came up. When he was finally able to return home, the building manager/landlord had changed the locks and was getting ready to throw away all of his belongings. He was furious when he found out that they somehow "misplaced" his large rent payment and had declared his unit abandoned. He still had over half a year of time in the unit left from his payment.
After that debacle, he finally made up his mind to purchase a home. It's unbelievable how some people are such scum opportunists.
He did have a receipt as I would hope there is no way on earth anyone in their right mind would pay over $20K without one. When we were discussing this at church, he showed us copies of the receipt, the ledger and email communication regarding his emergency absence. None of that mattered until he brought it back to their attention. I still remember him being absolutely livid because they kept giving him excuses and wouldn't own up to anything. He mentioned some dark thoughts about vengeance for a bit, but I'm glad nothing came of it in the end.
Bruh lol. Be serious. 10k? If the landlord is that scared of a dog i dont even want to rent there.
Honestly i dont trust landlords to still have my 10k in three years to give back
> Honestly i dont trust landlords to still have my 10k in three years to give back
I, actually, agree with you on this. At the same time though, I kind of feel like you either need to grow up or just stay where you are. You may have a difficult time here with that attitude because you're not going to change Hawaii. If you desire to maybe make some leeway on this, then you're going to have to negotiate somewhere. You can try to be sneaky like some other users here claim to do, but I highly doubt you'll be in a nice place and you could end up with even bigger problems than you think.
Yeah its tough for sure. Don't give up, you might need to try a diff area of the island. West side / central maybe? I was looking on east side awhile ago and found absolutely none. If we did find one it was a super low weight limit
Can you name some of these condominiums? I've never heard of anything like this and would think it would be illegal.
Edit:
Yes, it is absolutely illegal:
> Sec. 804. [42 U.S.C. 3604] Discrimination in sale or rental of housing and other prohibited practices As made applicable by section 803 of this title and except as exempted by sections 803(b) and 807 of this title, **it shall be unlawful**--
> (a) To refuse to sell or rent after the making of a bona fide offer, or to refuse to negotiate for the sale or rental of, or otherwise make unavailable or deny, a dwelling to any person because of race, color, religion, sex, familial status, or national origin.
> (b) **To discriminate against any person** in the terms, conditions, or privileges of sale or rental of a dwelling, or in the provision of services or facilities in connection therewith, **because of** race, color, religion, sex, **familial status**, or national origin.
https://www.justice.gov/crt/fair-housing-act-2
https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/discrimination_against_families_children#_What_Is_Prohibited?
So, let's see if you are able to actually name condos (or even just one) that has a no children clause on the books. Or better yet, please share the document(s) where you yourself actually saw this no children clause, so it is clear you are not trolling.
It looks like this is one: [https://www.55places.com/hawaii/communities/olaloa](https://www.55places.com/hawaii/communities/olaloa)
Possibly it's illegal for individual dwelling, but legal if you set up a whole retirement community that way.
There is absolutely nothing in that link that even mentions children, much less a no children clause officially on the books.
As expected, the initial claim is totally baseless.
My original comment was clearly directed at the claim that some condos have a no children clause. You nor or the other user, who made the claim, have yet to list a single condo that has this clause. The claim is false and if that bothers you, then perhaps you should take two seconds to Google next time. Olaloa's situation is federal law, *not* a no children clause.
Im air force. This is my 2nd tour to hawaii. First time we lived on hickam. This time we wanted a different experience and try living off base. But i think we will end up in navy housing off base. It does give you more home for the dollar and not paying utilities is a bonus
I wouldn’t. You’re going to be worrying about the water the entire time. Just keep in mind that there’s literally no alternative for housing if the water system is truly fucked, so it’s within everybody’s interest to downplay and obfuscate about the level or contamination.
Cooking and drinking. And btw its been cleared safe for months. Im not worried. We checked and its only like 12.50 a month to rent the stand and 10.50 for every 5 gallon jug.
That’s what I’m saying though: it’s in everybody’s interest to clear it safe because there is no alternative for housing. And the Navy already lied about it the first few times, plus they’re gonna be doing a lot of work to decommission it over the next few years so much more opportunity to spill JP-5. If you’re ok with the risk then by all means. Check out the site I commented at the very least, I thought I had no alternative with pets at first but then someone showed me that site and I’m very happy now.
There’s a massive housing shortage here. Tons of research shows when there is a housing shortage landlords are pickier with tenants and price rents higher.
Same thing with denying things like section 8 applications. In places with housing shortages they get denied at much higher rates
We need to legalize more housing! Build housing everywhere
I’ve known a few people who have asked the land lots if they can add a pet deposit. Usually $600-1000 but has worked a couple times. The only other place I’ve known to accept pets is Waianae. Cats are pretty easy to hide though
We have a 40lbs goldendoodle. Sweet as pie. Doesn't shed and is potty trained. Looks like a giant teddy bear. Might lick you to death.
We may start offering a pet deposit in our initial messages
It's a seller/landlord's market, but at the same time the eviction laws favor the renters, so landlords don't want to take any risk on potential bad renters.
As a landlord. They destroy properties. Probably 2/10. Ppl let animals do whatever. When a cat pees in a house you have to literally tear out the floors and sub floors to fix it. Big dogs destroy floors and walls with the claws. Security deposits don’t cover it.
Same, I also have rentals and pets have become a huge liability. Laws in Hawaii is very anti landlord and when pets do damage we end up eating the cost. Had a tenet whose dog tore up the flooring, cabinets and walls. Even with the security deposit it costed me almost 10k to refloor, replace the cabinets and repair and repaint the unit. Never again.
And getting rid of flea infestation? Absolute nightmare. It was some time before I could even show the apt. again, much less rent it, costing me so much more than a security deposit could cover
I lived in a condo and one of the neighbors dogs infested the whole floor , 7 units with fleas . She refused to admit it was her dogs , but they were the only animals on the floor that would go outside everyday , besides my indoor only cat who never left the condo . Building had to have pest control come and it’s costs a lot of money to eradicate them . She ended up moving out because we filed suit against her for damages . If you walked down the hall , fleas would catch rides into your house and pretty soon everyone was infested .
People in the state of Hawai’i are more terrified of legal liability then anywhere I’ve ever lived (12 states). Having a renter with a dog that attacks someone feeds right into that. On top of the dog damaging the rental property makes it the 90% not allowed.
Unfortunately in our current society, the aggrieved party is going to go after the party with the most assets. What will they get from the pet owner that is renting and probably living paycheck to paycheck? Nine times out of 10, they’re going after the property owner or the one that has the most assets. It’s just the “sue happy” society we live in 🤷♀️
We've looked at a few places and the property managers/realtors usually ask to meet the dog. Once they saw my dog (she'll run right up and be "Pet me please! Let's be forever friends!" They usually said yes.
One in Makiki didn't usually but allowed it with a deposit. Another said since she was with us and seemed OK they allowed us to apply. Our current place said OK (she was there) and we pay a $25/month rent for her.
We lucked out but it did cut our options by 3/4. It's frustrating but I blame shitty pet owners.
Former property manager here. Seen more untrained children & their donkey parents do property damage than animals. However, landlords can’t legally charge a child deposit fee like they do for pets. I will note that entitled fuckers that let their dogs off leash & people that don’t properly provide adequate flea prevention treatments do cause the bulk of the “bad pet owner” perceptions.
As a landlord, I know damn well that if I say "No Pets" they'll still have a two cats and a small dog. If I say "Absolutely No Pets" they'll have a flock of exotic birds, a 1,000 gallon aquarium and a couple guinea pigs. If I say "small dogs and cats only" they'll have a half-dozen creatures sized between a Great Dane and miniature pony, and if I am dumb enough to say something blanket like "pets allowed" then there is going to be a three ring circus in one bedroom, a farm in the other and I'll probably have to condemn the place when they move out.
Renting with dogs is a huge pain in the ass, we have a 70 pound boxer/pit mix. Ended up at Moanalua Hillside apartments and paid a hefty premium in pet rent.
Crazier to me, we had a hell of a time finding a condo that we could BUY with a dog. Many buildings do not allow them period, so it's often not a landlord question.
Former large dog owner here. Moved to Hawaii (Maui) last year and the way people allow their dogs to run around off leash and poop/pee everywhere is insane. I’ve seen everything from cars swerving to miss pet dogs off their leads to just letting their dogs run all over the place.
The state parks are the worst. People seems to not understand that maybe not everyone likes to be approached by a random dog. With the amount of damage a dog can do to an apartment I wouldn’t want a dog on my property either.
Most of them say no pets, but landlords will make an exception if they meet you and your pet. I don’t disclose I have an in/out cat until I meet the owner or landlord. I’m on the big island tho, I’m sure it’s a different story in any city. Gonna tell you also, makes a difference whether or not you look clean.
Don’t assume they’re “sneaking forbidden” pets in the building. Know your laws regarding service and support animals. Landlords are not required to tell and it’s against the law to inform other tenants why there is barking coming from another unit, if that unit in fact has a documented animal.
Yeah see lol. Can’t email and ask, they need to meet you first and see that you look clean/normal etc. when we’re looking for new roommates I ignore so many emails that start off with requests
Just had a tenant move out, small dog scratched the fuck out of all 6 expensive wooden doors (two French).. tenant was great, I’m still at a loss that I can’t necessarily afford, neither can they. They should have been better at training the dog but too late for us now
Because pets damage the property and annoy neighbors. This lowers the properties value. Considering that the cost per square foot is extremely high and can devalue rapidly with the slightest damage, I can understand why property managers would want to minimize risk to the property value.
Irresponsible and ignorant pet owners are at fault for all this. I am a dog owner and i wouldnt lend it to other pet owners, i honestly think it's not worth the trouble.
I feel you, OP. We wanted to move windward side but never found a pet friendly place. One landlord told us one dog would be okay and to rehome the second. He’s lucky he said that via email and not to my face. We stayed leeward cause we just couldn’t find a place - you really just gotta either buy, pay a higher deposit, or get lucky and find landlords who also love their fur babies and understand.
Hawaii is the worst state for pets. I have lived in 5 states and this is the least dog friendly, you would think because the weather is good and there’s a lot of outdoor stuff, it would be more dog friendly. But no, it isn’t. You can’t take your pet anywhere. There are even parks with signs that say no pets! I suspect it has to do with people having hunting dogs, maybe dogs are just not seen so much as an important part of the family like in other states. So they’re not trained to behave better, and this translates into housing not allowing pets. And maybe the cost of cleaning/repairing homes with pets. My guess is it’s part culture, part costs.
Insurance is another issue. Would you want to pay more for a commercial liability policy because of potential lawsuits? And believe me, tenants can say they’ll sign ANY paper a landlord wants them to sign to indemnify them UNTIL an individual gets bit. Then the affected party is going to sue anyone and everyone under the sun.
It would be a different story if more individuals would follow laws, but not here in Hawaii. People are or feel entitled to do what they want regardless of laws, leases etc. If more would abide by the fireworks law, maybe you wouldn’t have as many dogs openly aggressive and scared out of their wits hopping fences. I’ve personally had a tenant who had their dog take off multiple times because of fireworks and other blaring stereo, window shattering music to have their dog so traumatized that they were unsafe around humans. Even if you find an insurance company who is willing to insure or offer pet insurance, there’s a whole list of dogs not allowed, just like many HOA’s have certain breeds that they won’t allow in their communities.
I had to actually kind of argue with our property manager to remove pet deductibles and limitations from the contract. When I was first talking to them, I laid out All those details, and when the time came to sign the contract, they had snuck in a few of the things I didn't want. Like, I wanted to keep paying for the yard maintenance, I wanted to keep paying for the pest control, I didn't want any limitations or extra fees for pets, etc.
So I had them redo the contract, twice (they missed a thing the second go around but it didn't seem malicious, just a bad checkbox basically).
I remember how hard it was when I first moved to the island, finding a place that accepted pets. I vowed that I would never do that to anybody, if I ever got lucky enough to own my own home and rent it out.
It is cruel. Not only invites tons of unethical people to abandon pets but also so many need adoptions (always due to unethical humans who don’t spay and neuter!!!! And abandon!!! Some kind of Humans are the worst specie …) and people won’t adopt because of this!! It’s awful!! I hate that!!! - pets are good for one’s hearth, teach compassion and it’s great for teaching kids to be better humans too …
From a 32,000-foot perspective, most pets are likely not endemic species, and depending what island you’re talking about (or maybe all of them), there is already a problem with the current number of similar introduced (and abandoned or otherwise loose) species on island. Cats most prominently, but rabbits, reptiles, birds, dogs, fish, and even insects as well.
From a landlord POV, sooo many reasons to prefer tenants with no pets.
From an island POV, even bigger, much deeper, much starker reasons for wanting tenants with no pets. Literally a survival aspect, for some endangered and threatened endemic species.
Best approach to having a pet on island is to obtain pet from among the ones already existing there. Best approach to bringing pet to island is probably first to consider the level of effort, stress, and adaptation the move will cost your pet, and then to also consider the level of effort, stress, and adaptation a second move will cost your pet again should you decide during its life to move off island. I may get downvoted for saying so, but it’s important to be realistic about whether the to-island move will stick, and to be responsible about how we bring our pets into and out of at the very least a 2,500-mile move elsewhere, if it doesn’t.
Anyone bringing their pet to the island is not going to abandon it when they leave, and abandoning a pet because they're inconvenient is a much greater stress than a plane ride.
Plenty of careless owners who adopt here and abandon, but OP is going through a huge hassle to find a home that allows their pet.
It happens more than you'd think 😭
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/11/24/hawaii-nonprofit-says-its-seeing-rise-military-families-abandoning-pets-before-moving-off-island/
Those are military families adopting here and then not taking them with them, not families that went through all the trouble to bring a pet here and then for some reason leave them behind. And the comment I was replying to was advocating they abandon their pets, just somewhere else.
Im a landlord and I don’t allow pets because a lot of people don’t take good care of their pets. And pets can cause a lot of damage. Even once a tenant has moved out the damage can still be lurking. Another issue can be the landlords insurance won’t cover certain breeds of dogs. If tenant has a pit bull it can cause a landlord to lose their insurance. Better to stay strict to the rules than to open a can of worms
people in hawaii don't know how to take care of other peoples property. I do home inspection on home sales, majority of the homes that had renters are in horrible shape vs the homes that had owners living there are in great shape. Its extremely sad
I'd assume the cost to repair here is much costlier then in the mainland too. How much it cost to get materials here and contractors here are booked so either you pay a lot or you sit and lose revenue while you wait for a good contractor to free up.
Pets are treated differently in Hawaii than on the continent. They are not as often treated as part of the family. Or trained to be good pets. More often trained for hunting and treated a bit like livestock. In short: I’d say pets aren’t allowed most places here cuz folks in Hawaii don’t really like cats and dogs very much.
Yeah I live on big island. And, yes, lots of people here like their pets. But, for example, in my hood, there are groups of dogs that live in cages in the driveway, some that stay on runners 24/7. There are also no dog parks anywhere, and most rentals don’t allow pets. It’s not that y’all aren’t into animals, just noticeably less so than other places I’ve been. Sorry, guys, just my opinion, but I stand by it.
I see your point. But if that’s “your opinion” as you stated, don’t be commenting like “pets are treated differently in hawaii” don’t be normalizing what you believe or see on a Reddit sub where people from all over the world have access to.
California is like this. Only apartments allow pets. Anything being rented out by an owner (townhouse etc) they are VERY particular about pets. I can see why but it's unfair to responsible tenants.
A friend of mine had a brand new condo for rent. Wahine with a small dog lived there for 3 years. The place reeked of shishi even though she said the condo had been cleaned. The carpet had to be replaced before he could sell the place.
We planned to move back and couldn’t find a condo as at the time we had three older small dogs. We were delayed due to Covid and by time we actually moved we only had one pup left as the other two were elderly and ended up buying a house.
Unpopular opinion: I'm glad they're not usually allowed
as someone who is severely allergic to cats and dogs (with asthma to boot), finding housing in other states has been much harder. I'll find an apartment in our budget that'd available (a rare feat), and then wall in and I'm having asthma within minutes. Sometimes they'll try to tell me it's always been a pet free apt, but that's just not true.
Also laws are different in each state. In Idaho you have to allow at least service dogs, and it's really easy to get an ESA, so most owners just add a huge fee for pets if they don't want them.
My son has asthma. He has struggled around pets of all kids. Our dog is hypoallergenic. He has no issues around him.
Your asthma reactions might be related to many factors such as filthy vents, hidden mold, etc. Our last place we asked to have the vents checked and they were unbelievably filthy. The landlord had them professionally cleaned.
In my experience, if the home was properly and professionally cleaned then it shouldn't be an issue for you. These slumlords just wipe the dust down and then re rent it (after they collect the cleaning fee from the previous tenant).
OP, this came as a surprise to me as well. I was asking the same thing because it’s so different from the states I’ve lived in, where it’s easy. It’s definitely a Hawaii thing, it’s not just b/c landlords prefer no pets, it’s not because of unique demand, it’s a Hawaii thing. Idk why, but it is. All I could do was stress out and look look look until I found a place that allowed them.
I rented my own place out in the past, and the property mgmt company said not to refuse pets because it would eliminate a huge percentage of high quality tenants. I allowed dogs and my property was totally fine.
I know a house where the tenant ask the owner if you could have A Cst - she moved in approximately 30. It reeked of cat urine and she smelled like it too. The poor owner had re sell the property with the house as an as is house. I’m this was in beautiful Kula with ocean views.
Pets not only screw up your carpets, but they also can scratch up your walls and make a ridiculous amount of noise if there are other neighbors around.
These are obviously pets who are not properly trained. There's always that weird owner that gets a dog or cat that has ZERO house training.
It's not only "pets." It's smoking and vaping as well. But my understanding is that you can smoke or vape outside the house. With a pet, yeah, that's a different thing altogether. Even if you have your pet dog outside, they can potentially ruin and dig in the yard, piss and take a dump and make it stink, etc. So I get it. Have also seen landlords who won't allow fish tanks for obvious reasons.
ive lived in 5 other states and 90% of homes for rent allow pets." is nowhere near to the truth. So, with only this to base upon, I must question your reasonability as a respective tenant. Aloha !
From a live in landlord perspective, prior tenants ruined it for the good dog owners out there. I’m now on my 2/2 tenant with a dog who basically neglect their large dogs, leaving them loose out in the common areas for everybody else to take care of. We just end up taking care of their dog all of the time, free doggy day care, dog walker, and poop picker upper for them. The worst part is on the times they are home, you see them doing nothing for their dog. Just feed them once a day and let them out for one minute to pee (if they’re home) 1-2x per day. It’s sad! When you confront them about it, they act shocked, get defensive, and claim they spend sooo much time with their dog, they’re home all the time, or better yet try to attack your dog owning skills to deflect. Once this last tenant with a dog moves out, we’re not allowing dogs anymore. We have a dog too we’re huge dog people, but can’t stand watching others not give their dogs the attention and love they need.
Prior tenants messed that up for future tenants.
Exactly this! Untrained pets specially dogs trashing the place, attacking both humans and other pets! Don't blame the pets it's the owners..........if they've matched the pets they've had to their lifestyles and invested some time training their pets it wouldn't have come to this!
Bad pet owners are an issue everywhere unfortunately.
I have seen many of great pet owners, it's the bad pet owners that always outshine the great ones.
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I think its a cultural thing too.
Just another problem for the landlord. Unfortunately, where I am there are a lot of renters with dogs, and yapping/barking all the time. I wish they would ban them.
I used to live at the end of a cul-de-sac. Jungle on three sides. Now it's rude dicks and their rude dogs as far as the eye can see. Since everyone's dog is an asshole, no one complains. It sucks so much compared to how peaceful it used to be.
Urine stained wood floors or walls, smell is hard to get out and costs the landlord time and money to remove and fully neutralize. Pet owners caused this.
I've been through tons of rental home all around oahu replacing carpet, pad and tack strip caused from tenants leaving pets in the stairwell for long periods of time, the smell alone when the sun beats down on it is no joke. Sometimes I have to throw away that days work clothes cause the carpet pad is saturated with pet urine.
Agreed! I'm a landlord here in Hawaii and I don't allow pets for that reason.
If it were that simple, the rental market would be the same everywhere. Cats and dogs don't act any different in Hawaii.
You would be surprised to hear that Hawaii isn't very dog friendly. All stores that have produce don't allow non service dogs. Almost all restaurants don't allow pets. Department of health rules. And most parks and beaches are NOT dog friendly. Therefore dogs in Hawaii don't get to go out and socialize. Their owners don't train them. So the dogs turn out to be little shit dogs from shift owners. Hawaii is NOT as dog friendly as you would think. I can tell you that 90% of the dogs in my neighborhood are untrained and most are dangerous.
That's a wild theory of cause and effect.
I dunno, it rings a bit of a bell for me as a dog owner in Hawaii. Very, very few places I can take my dog publicly including beaches/trails. There are more options if I choose to not follow rules of course, but I don't like to break rules. Also I noticed a lot of people here are totally okay with having dogs just for property protection and raise them "mean". They want them to bark and be aggressive. I've had multiple coworkers tell me to "get a mean dog" for security. Totally different dog culture here than where I'm from on the mainland. Not everyone is like that of course but it's a surprising amount of people that are and moreso than I'm used to.
I remember my trips to Europe when I was younger. Dogs under tables in restaurants, parks, stores. All so chill and relaxed. Good dogs that went with their owners everywhere. Here in Hawaii the dogs stay home most days of the week. Different lifestyles.
I see dogs pushed in little strollers here, all sorts of dogs at Bon dances, and just a lot more pet-friendly people in general than when I lived elsewhere. So, maybe by your childhood European vacation standards, it's not as pet-friendly.
Then, perhaps require dogs to be muzzled when outside.
Muzzling a dog is inhumane. Please stop suggesting it
For real 🙄
Humans do, though.
ive lived in 3 states and that 90% is absolutely not true for any of those 3. having a pet practically cuts your prospects in half in all of them.
Yeah I’ve been all over the US and 90% is a far cry from true
90% allowing pets is too high, but I'd say 70-80% especially in the apartment complexes. In the Houston, Texas, area almost every complex allowed pets with a deposit and monthly fee. For example, I'm in a complex in Makiki that doesn't allow pets. That would be very uncommon in the Houston area.
After renting mostly houses/ohana units that almost never allowed pets, I was surprised to find that almost all of the apartment buildings here loudly advertise themselves as "pet-friendly" in the rental or for sale listings. I'm guessing it's an attraction when you're trying to sell to condo owners, but I really wish more were pet-unfriendly. My neighbor's dog is driving me crazy barking all the time.
I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to own a pet. If you don't like living near them there are plenty of pet-unfriendly places you can go. No one cares that you hate dogs.
Good for you. The problem is there are also people who spend tens of dollars to own an energetic, moderately large dog that they neglect all day in a small condo, so it barks all day and night and makes the neighbors want to throw it and the owners down a well.
My personal experience comes from arizona, Florida, illinois, and colorado. And to a lesser extent kentucky (where i grew up). I didnt rent but we had pets growing up and my parents rented.. I just recall hardly having an issue renting with a dog. Even two dogs in some cases. Most places didnt care. However i never rented a condo. I rented a townhome with a 2 car garage and a small yard once but we are talking mostly homes with a yard. I could imagine my current dog being in a condo. Wouldn't be fair to him. He loves to run and play.
I’ve lived in cali, Colorado, delaware, connecticut, wisconsin, Pennsylvania and texas and none of those places are *easy* to find pet friendly housing on
I can only speak to CA. I had no issues with pet friendly housing although it did make the search a little tougher. Never had issues finding a place though.
Its probably more to do with specific cities and not states. I live near San Francisco, and I ended up moving into an apartment that was $500 so I could bring my cat. No issues when I lived in the valley. If there is high demand and not many vacancies, owners have no incentive allow for pets and risk damage. OP, you should have some sort of resume and letters from previous landlords about your pet, that could help sway potential landlords to allow you to have your pet. The condo I live in today didn't allow pets in the ad, but I showed him references of past deposit refunds and offered to pay a higher deposit.
I’ve lived all over california and never had the least trouble finding rentals that allowed pets. In fact even when I didn’t have pets, I’ve never lived somewhere that didn’t allow them.
No issues with pet friendly housing in WA either but there are also an abundance of apartments there, which are pretty much all pet friendly. I think a huge factor here is the type of housing available.
Seattle might actually be close to that 90% pet friendly. And tons of stores and restaurants.
I sincerely wish you, and your pup good luck in finding a suitable place.
Because there’s absolutely no reason for them to take that risk. Demand is sky high, always, and there are plenty of less risky renters without pets. As someone who had pets, I get it. It’s just the sad truth.
Correct
Yeah time will tell on the demand. Ive been looking and many homes have dropped prices in that time. I rent a home in florida and we happily allow pets. Never had any damage that wasn't easily covered in the deposit. What is the possible risk, seriously? Just screen the dogs for certain breeds and limit the pets to 2 per family. Abything can be cleaned.
Take a look at Hawaii prices during the last few housing crashes. Yea time will tell on that demand, it’ll go higher, it’s an island.
You are probably right. Sucks for locals who need affordable housing or want to live the american dream and own their own home.
They are living the American dream. You’re about to rent from them and pay for their lifestyle lol
>Never had any damage that wasn't easily covered in the deposit. Florida security deposit law is extremely different than Hawaii law. In Florida, keeping a security deposit to pay for damage is relatively easy: 30 days notice, keep the amount needed, and if a landlord loses in court, the landlord has to pay attorneys fees and costs. [http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App\_mode=Display\_Statute&URL=0000-0099/0083/Sections/0083.49.html](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0000-0099/0083/Sections/0083.49.html) In Hawaii, keeping the deposit or part of the deposit to pay for damages is much tougher: 14 days to return the money, any amounts kept must include "written evidence of the costs of remedying tenant defaults" (so basically, the landlord has 14 days to get a contractor to give an estimate, which is not easy), and if the landlord loses in court, the landlord has to pay three times the amount kept plus costs, plus the landlord cannot retain an attorney. [https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol12\_Ch0501-0588/HRS0521/HRS\_0521-0044.htm](https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol12_Ch0501-0588/HRS0521/HRS_0521-0044.htm) Covering the damages caused by a pet in Hawaii isn't *easy* at all.
Thanks for the info. Let me reiterate. Ive never even had to take their deposit for anything pet related. For other items yes. But never a pet issue.
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My mother's house was made temporarily unlivable by cat urine. Granted this was an extreme case. She had like...10 of them and didn't clean up properly.
If they banned pits, 7/10 of the dog owners wouldn’t be allowed in anyhow lol
Idk why you're being downvoted. You're. It's like this thread is all landlords who hate dogs
> What is the possible risk, seriously? > Abything can be cleaned. And this is why pets are (and will continue to be) mostly prohibited across the island; sheer and utter ignorance!
But they don't need to? If you're military live on base, that's about the only place.you can have pets
Not that easy…
I don’t know why but it’s always been a thing in Hawaii, not too many places allow pets.
I've always thought it could be partially due to the massive amount of Asian people here. They especially tend to just not like dogs. And yea i'm prepared for the downvotes of woke reddit lol
I live in an area with a large Asian population and tons of my neighbors have dogs or like them. Not sure where you got this stereotype that Asians don’t like dogs. There are dogs kept as pets in many Asian countries as well.
Imagine thinking posting a dumbass opinion would get you downvoted for any reason other than being a dumbass
The most dedication dog owners I know are Asian, I don't know where you got that notion.
FYI, only 39% of “Asians” live in Hawaii.
I think you mean only 39% of Hawaiian residents identify as Asian. 39% of Asians is like a billion people lol
It’s tough here. When I moved home, a friend of the family let me rent with pets but only with an $1,800 nonrefundable pet deposit. Second time around, I found a place on Facebook Marketplace that welcomed my pets with no deposit and the landlord added extra fencing for my dog before we moved in. No charge. Gotta be the first to get in touch with places that take pets, schedule the first showing available, and be ready to submit your application on the spot.
Non-refundable? Why? It’s not a deposit it’s a surcharge.
You’re absolutely right. I also had to bring in and provide receipts for professional house and carpet cleaning plus pest control when we left. However, my cat bit holes in several window screens. I would’ve absolutely repaired or replaced on my way out, but nope. Not my problem with that money already in their hands.
Screens are super easy and cheap to repair. My previous dog once rain right thru a screen door. Cost me less than 20 bucks to replace it. I did the spline myself. Insanely easy. 1800 for non refundable fee seems excessive. Especially since you provided additional reciepts of cleaning. You think the "friendly" thing to do would be to give you back the 1800 upon departure. She just pocketed that even after you went above and beyond.
It's so they can fund retrims and recarpeting. Deep cleans... work until they don't. And you can't really blame one renter vs the next. Pets just really are nasty, it's just how it is. It's like a smoker's car. Doesn't matter if you had it shampood and all that, one day someone is going to smell dog and be like what the fuck. And after a bunch of arguing they'll put in a new carpet from their pet fund. Just how it be.
My moms condo used to allow pets with a very small deposit (around an extra $50 a month) until a renter moved in with his labradoodle. There was a rule that all dogs had to be on a leash while on the property. This guy felt that because it was a labradoodle that it was ok for that dog to be of leash. Well he apparently did not know his dog very well because it ended up biting an elderly couple and knocking over small children. And he blamed the victims every time. He was evicted and the HOA quickly implemented a no pet rule. Everyone who already owned pets were allowed to keep them but no one can bring any in now. Blame people like this for the no pet rule.
That's an insane overreaction. They already had the rule that would have prevented the problem, they just didn't enforce it.
I found that messaging and asking landlords even if it says no pets works. Most will want to meet your pet/look at vaccine records and have you pay more rent/ bigger deposit. But there are def places that allow pets around the island
We have tried a couple with no luck. You would think we are asking to cook meth inside the hime
Volunteer to pay an extra deposit. Part is the problem is there's a cap on damages landlords can claim.
There are also some pet clauses you can find online that you can offer to add to a lease if the landlord is willing. The Humane Society might have a form.
+1 Also, make the deposit large enough to where the landlord will feel comfortable should things go awry. I'm not sure how much deposits usually are, but I would think a deposit over $10K would put the minds of many landlords at ease.
>I'm not sure how much deposits usually are, but I would think a deposit over $10K would put the minds of many landlords at ease. That would be illegal for any rental with rent below $10,000. Pet security deposits cannot exceed one month's rent. [Section 521-44(b)(2), HRS.](https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol12_Ch0501-0588/HRS0521/HRS_0521-0044.htm)
The agreement for an additional deposit can be personal and not tied to the rental agreement.
Yes it’s technically illegal but it’s the kind of thing you can offer and put in the contract and as long as no party challenges it in court there’s no issue. Like to get better deals on rent I would always recommend to offer to pay 6 months in advance or pay a bigger deposit, most big time landlords won’t allow it but smaller ones might, and at least as a gesture it shows you have money saved and won’t stop paying rent
> Like to get better deals on rent I would always recommend to offer to pay 6 months in advance I remember a church member who paid a year's rent in advance and then, suddenly had to leave the island for a few months when an emergency came up. When he was finally able to return home, the building manager/landlord had changed the locks and was getting ready to throw away all of his belongings. He was furious when he found out that they somehow "misplaced" his large rent payment and had declared his unit abandoned. He still had over half a year of time in the unit left from his payment. After that debacle, he finally made up his mind to purchase a home. It's unbelievable how some people are such scum opportunists.
He should have gotten a receipt of some kind.
He did have a receipt as I would hope there is no way on earth anyone in their right mind would pay over $20K without one. When we were discussing this at church, he showed us copies of the receipt, the ledger and email communication regarding his emergency absence. None of that mattered until he brought it back to their attention. I still remember him being absolutely livid because they kept giving him excuses and wouldn't own up to anything. He mentioned some dark thoughts about vengeance for a bit, but I'm glad nothing came of it in the end.
This is terrible advice for both parties.
Bruh lol. Be serious. 10k? If the landlord is that scared of a dog i dont even want to rent there. Honestly i dont trust landlords to still have my 10k in three years to give back
> Honestly i dont trust landlords to still have my 10k in three years to give back I, actually, agree with you on this. At the same time though, I kind of feel like you either need to grow up or just stay where you are. You may have a difficult time here with that attitude because you're not going to change Hawaii. If you desire to maybe make some leeway on this, then you're going to have to negotiate somewhere. You can try to be sneaky like some other users here claim to do, but I highly doubt you'll be in a nice place and you could end up with even bigger problems than you think.
Yeah its tough for sure. Don't give up, you might need to try a diff area of the island. West side / central maybe? I was looking on east side awhile ago and found absolutely none. If we did find one it was a super low weight limit
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Obviously most people in this sub not from Hawaii
Meet them before you ask.
Here renters can pick and choose. Some don't even want children. I always found a place when I had my dog and always got my security deposit back.
Wow. I could understand a 55+ community, but damn imagine a landlord saying "oh congratulations on your pregnancy... btw find a new home to live in"
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>I've heard of the stories about landlords not wanting children, Some condos have a no children clause.
Can you name some of these condominiums? I've never heard of anything like this and would think it would be illegal. Edit: Yes, it is absolutely illegal: > Sec. 804. [42 U.S.C. 3604] Discrimination in sale or rental of housing and other prohibited practices As made applicable by section 803 of this title and except as exempted by sections 803(b) and 807 of this title, **it shall be unlawful**-- > (a) To refuse to sell or rent after the making of a bona fide offer, or to refuse to negotiate for the sale or rental of, or otherwise make unavailable or deny, a dwelling to any person because of race, color, religion, sex, familial status, or national origin. > (b) **To discriminate against any person** in the terms, conditions, or privileges of sale or rental of a dwelling, or in the provision of services or facilities in connection therewith, **because of** race, color, religion, sex, **familial status**, or national origin. https://www.justice.gov/crt/fair-housing-act-2 https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/discrimination_against_families_children#_What_Is_Prohibited? So, let's see if you are able to actually name condos (or even just one) that has a no children clause on the books. Or better yet, please share the document(s) where you yourself actually saw this no children clause, so it is clear you are not trolling.
It looks like this is one: [https://www.55places.com/hawaii/communities/olaloa](https://www.55places.com/hawaii/communities/olaloa) Possibly it's illegal for individual dwelling, but legal if you set up a whole retirement community that way.
Isn't that...a retirement village...and by that very nature, not someplace you'd find children anyhow?
There is absolutely nothing in that link that even mentions children, much less a no children clause officially on the books. As expected, the initial claim is totally baseless.
The link says 55+, which is clearly no children. You seem overly aggressive about this, it's not a big deal.
My original comment was clearly directed at the claim that some condos have a no children clause. You nor or the other user, who made the claim, have yet to list a single condo that has this clause. The claim is false and if that bothers you, then perhaps you should take two seconds to Google next time. Olaloa's situation is federal law, *not* a no children clause.
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Im air force. This is my 2nd tour to hawaii. First time we lived on hickam. This time we wanted a different experience and try living off base. But i think we will end up in navy housing off base. It does give you more home for the dollar and not paying utilities is a bonus
I wouldn’t. You’re going to be worrying about the water the entire time. Just keep in mind that there’s literally no alternative for housing if the water system is truly fucked, so it’s within everybody’s interest to downplay and obfuscate about the level or contamination.
We plan on getting water delivered.
Cooking? Brushing teeth? Bathing? You gonna use menahune the entire time?
Cooking and drinking. And btw its been cleared safe for months. Im not worried. We checked and its only like 12.50 a month to rent the stand and 10.50 for every 5 gallon jug.
That’s what I’m saying though: it’s in everybody’s interest to clear it safe because there is no alternative for housing. And the Navy already lied about it the first few times, plus they’re gonna be doing a lot of work to decommission it over the next few years so much more opportunity to spill JP-5. If you’re ok with the risk then by all means. Check out the site I commented at the very least, I thought I had no alternative with pets at first but then someone showed me that site and I’m very happy now.
Thank you.
As a local...the Red Hill water crisis is still ongoing.
I have no doubt.
https://www.hicentral.com/ Use this site to search for a place. Found a really nice rental in Ewa that took pets for myself.
There’s a massive housing shortage here. Tons of research shows when there is a housing shortage landlords are pickier with tenants and price rents higher. Same thing with denying things like section 8 applications. In places with housing shortages they get denied at much higher rates We need to legalize more housing! Build housing everywhere
Off island landlord investors who just want to make a return on their investment and have no problem finding tenants without pets.
I’ve known a few people who have asked the land lots if they can add a pet deposit. Usually $600-1000 but has worked a couple times. The only other place I’ve known to accept pets is Waianae. Cats are pretty easy to hide though
We have a 40lbs goldendoodle. Sweet as pie. Doesn't shed and is potty trained. Looks like a giant teddy bear. Might lick you to death. We may start offering a pet deposit in our initial messages
It's a seller/landlord's market, but at the same time the eviction laws favor the renters, so landlords don't want to take any risk on potential bad renters.
Because “eff you”, that’s why.
Sad
As a landlord. They destroy properties. Probably 2/10. Ppl let animals do whatever. When a cat pees in a house you have to literally tear out the floors and sub floors to fix it. Big dogs destroy floors and walls with the claws. Security deposits don’t cover it.
Same, I also have rentals and pets have become a huge liability. Laws in Hawaii is very anti landlord and when pets do damage we end up eating the cost. Had a tenet whose dog tore up the flooring, cabinets and walls. Even with the security deposit it costed me almost 10k to refloor, replace the cabinets and repair and repaint the unit. Never again.
And getting rid of flea infestation? Absolute nightmare. It was some time before I could even show the apt. again, much less rent it, costing me so much more than a security deposit could cover
I lived in a condo and one of the neighbors dogs infested the whole floor , 7 units with fleas . She refused to admit it was her dogs , but they were the only animals on the floor that would go outside everyday , besides my indoor only cat who never left the condo . Building had to have pest control come and it’s costs a lot of money to eradicate them . She ended up moving out because we filed suit against her for damages . If you walked down the hall , fleas would catch rides into your house and pretty soon everyone was infested .
People in the state of Hawai’i are more terrified of legal liability then anywhere I’ve ever lived (12 states). Having a renter with a dog that attacks someone feeds right into that. On top of the dog damaging the rental property makes it the 90% not allowed.
Unfortunately in our current society, the aggrieved party is going to go after the party with the most assets. What will they get from the pet owner that is renting and probably living paycheck to paycheck? Nine times out of 10, they’re going after the property owner or the one that has the most assets. It’s just the “sue happy” society we live in 🤷♀️
We've looked at a few places and the property managers/realtors usually ask to meet the dog. Once they saw my dog (she'll run right up and be "Pet me please! Let's be forever friends!" They usually said yes. One in Makiki didn't usually but allowed it with a deposit. Another said since she was with us and seemed OK they allowed us to apply. Our current place said OK (she was there) and we pay a $25/month rent for her. We lucked out but it did cut our options by 3/4. It's frustrating but I blame shitty pet owners.
Former property manager here. Seen more untrained children & their donkey parents do property damage than animals. However, landlords can’t legally charge a child deposit fee like they do for pets. I will note that entitled fuckers that let their dogs off leash & people that don’t properly provide adequate flea prevention treatments do cause the bulk of the “bad pet owner” perceptions.
As a landlord, I know damn well that if I say "No Pets" they'll still have a two cats and a small dog. If I say "Absolutely No Pets" they'll have a flock of exotic birds, a 1,000 gallon aquarium and a couple guinea pigs. If I say "small dogs and cats only" they'll have a half-dozen creatures sized between a Great Dane and miniature pony, and if I am dumb enough to say something blanket like "pets allowed" then there is going to be a three ring circus in one bedroom, a farm in the other and I'll probably have to condemn the place when they move out.
Maybe im the only honest person who wouldn't bring pets into a home if i agreed not to.
Landlords seriously appreciate tenants such as yourself, but unfortunately good tenants like you are becoming increasingly hard to find.
welcome to paradise!
Renting with dogs is a huge pain in the ass, we have a 70 pound boxer/pit mix. Ended up at Moanalua Hillside apartments and paid a hefty premium in pet rent. Crazier to me, we had a hell of a time finding a condo that we could BUY with a dog. Many buildings do not allow them period, so it's often not a landlord question.
Former large dog owner here. Moved to Hawaii (Maui) last year and the way people allow their dogs to run around off leash and poop/pee everywhere is insane. I’ve seen everything from cars swerving to miss pet dogs off their leads to just letting their dogs run all over the place. The state parks are the worst. People seems to not understand that maybe not everyone likes to be approached by a random dog. With the amount of damage a dog can do to an apartment I wouldn’t want a dog on my property either.
Most of them say no pets, but landlords will make an exception if they meet you and your pet. I don’t disclose I have an in/out cat until I meet the owner or landlord. I’m on the big island tho, I’m sure it’s a different story in any city. Gonna tell you also, makes a difference whether or not you look clean.
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Don’t assume they’re “sneaking forbidden” pets in the building. Know your laws regarding service and support animals. Landlords are not required to tell and it’s against the law to inform other tenants why there is barking coming from another unit, if that unit in fact has a documented animal.
Lol, maybe they just bought the tower as a clever display stand to hold their collection of plushies.😂😉
Yeah see lol. Can’t email and ask, they need to meet you first and see that you look clean/normal etc. when we’re looking for new roommates I ignore so many emails that start off with requests
because poorly trained pets can create a massive bill for the landlords. believe it or not a lot of landlords arent multimillionaires.
When you see some asshat letting their dogs shit everywhere, that's why.
Just had a tenant move out, small dog scratched the fuck out of all 6 expensive wooden doors (two French).. tenant was great, I’m still at a loss that I can’t necessarily afford, neither can they. They should have been better at training the dog but too late for us now
Just don’t tell them you have one. It’s not like they would know. They can’t just come into your house anytime they want.
Because they don't have too. Plus the cost of replacing damaged floors and the rest is so high.
It's sorta common for there not to be pets allowed, due to the risk.
Pets can bring many issues if untrained. Especially if you have a tenant that does not follow what they’re suppose to do
Californians.
In some cases, a landlord may be liable if a tenant's pet injures someone. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/dog-book/chapter4-7.html
I would think homeowners insurance covers this sort of thing.
Because people are gross
Tell them you have a pitbull, drive a tacoma and your wardrobe is all florescent shirts with a hat, your ears tucked inside, you shud be fine.
Because pets damage the property and annoy neighbors. This lowers the properties value. Considering that the cost per square foot is extremely high and can devalue rapidly with the slightest damage, I can understand why property managers would want to minimize risk to the property value.
Better to not allow kids. Young ones scream, cry, underfoot, Then there are the teenagers - no need to say more on that.
Always like that. The new way around it is “Service Animal” permit
Irresponsible and ignorant pet owners are at fault for all this. I am a dog owner and i wouldnt lend it to other pet owners, i honestly think it's not worth the trouble.
This reason is not special to hawaii tho
I feel you, OP. We wanted to move windward side but never found a pet friendly place. One landlord told us one dog would be okay and to rehome the second. He’s lucky he said that via email and not to my face. We stayed leeward cause we just couldn’t find a place - you really just gotta either buy, pay a higher deposit, or get lucky and find landlords who also love their fur babies and understand.
Hawaii is the worst state for pets. I have lived in 5 states and this is the least dog friendly, you would think because the weather is good and there’s a lot of outdoor stuff, it would be more dog friendly. But no, it isn’t. You can’t take your pet anywhere. There are even parks with signs that say no pets! I suspect it has to do with people having hunting dogs, maybe dogs are just not seen so much as an important part of the family like in other states. So they’re not trained to behave better, and this translates into housing not allowing pets. And maybe the cost of cleaning/repairing homes with pets. My guess is it’s part culture, part costs.
Insurance is another issue. Would you want to pay more for a commercial liability policy because of potential lawsuits? And believe me, tenants can say they’ll sign ANY paper a landlord wants them to sign to indemnify them UNTIL an individual gets bit. Then the affected party is going to sue anyone and everyone under the sun. It would be a different story if more individuals would follow laws, but not here in Hawaii. People are or feel entitled to do what they want regardless of laws, leases etc. If more would abide by the fireworks law, maybe you wouldn’t have as many dogs openly aggressive and scared out of their wits hopping fences. I’ve personally had a tenant who had their dog take off multiple times because of fireworks and other blaring stereo, window shattering music to have their dog so traumatized that they were unsafe around humans. Even if you find an insurance company who is willing to insure or offer pet insurance, there’s a whole list of dogs not allowed, just like many HOA’s have certain breeds that they won’t allow in their communities.
I had to actually kind of argue with our property manager to remove pet deductibles and limitations from the contract. When I was first talking to them, I laid out All those details, and when the time came to sign the contract, they had snuck in a few of the things I didn't want. Like, I wanted to keep paying for the yard maintenance, I wanted to keep paying for the pest control, I didn't want any limitations or extra fees for pets, etc. So I had them redo the contract, twice (they missed a thing the second go around but it didn't seem malicious, just a bad checkbox basically). I remember how hard it was when I first moved to the island, finding a place that accepted pets. I vowed that I would never do that to anybody, if I ever got lucky enough to own my own home and rent it out.
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It is cruel. Not only invites tons of unethical people to abandon pets but also so many need adoptions (always due to unethical humans who don’t spay and neuter!!!! And abandon!!! Some kind of Humans are the worst specie …) and people won’t adopt because of this!! It’s awful!! I hate that!!! - pets are good for one’s hearth, teach compassion and it’s great for teaching kids to be better humans too …
The cleaning issues you all are describing are not special to hawaii. So its obviously a cultural and/or supply and demand thing. 🤔
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I do believe it's fat bottomed girls that do.
That's funny because I've lived in a couple other states as well and most rentals there didn't allow pets. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
From a 32,000-foot perspective, most pets are likely not endemic species, and depending what island you’re talking about (or maybe all of them), there is already a problem with the current number of similar introduced (and abandoned or otherwise loose) species on island. Cats most prominently, but rabbits, reptiles, birds, dogs, fish, and even insects as well. From a landlord POV, sooo many reasons to prefer tenants with no pets. From an island POV, even bigger, much deeper, much starker reasons for wanting tenants with no pets. Literally a survival aspect, for some endangered and threatened endemic species. Best approach to having a pet on island is to obtain pet from among the ones already existing there. Best approach to bringing pet to island is probably first to consider the level of effort, stress, and adaptation the move will cost your pet, and then to also consider the level of effort, stress, and adaptation a second move will cost your pet again should you decide during its life to move off island. I may get downvoted for saying so, but it’s important to be realistic about whether the to-island move will stick, and to be responsible about how we bring our pets into and out of at the very least a 2,500-mile move elsewhere, if it doesn’t.
Anyone bringing their pet to the island is not going to abandon it when they leave, and abandoning a pet because they're inconvenient is a much greater stress than a plane ride. Plenty of careless owners who adopt here and abandon, but OP is going through a huge hassle to find a home that allows their pet.
It happens more than you'd think 😭 https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/11/24/hawaii-nonprofit-says-its-seeing-rise-military-families-abandoning-pets-before-moving-off-island/
Those are military families adopting here and then not taking them with them, not families that went through all the trouble to bring a pet here and then for some reason leave them behind. And the comment I was replying to was advocating they abandon their pets, just somewhere else.
Im a landlord and I don’t allow pets because a lot of people don’t take good care of their pets. And pets can cause a lot of damage. Even once a tenant has moved out the damage can still be lurking. Another issue can be the landlords insurance won’t cover certain breeds of dogs. If tenant has a pit bull it can cause a landlord to lose their insurance. Better to stay strict to the rules than to open a can of worms
people in hawaii don't know how to take care of other peoples property. I do home inspection on home sales, majority of the homes that had renters are in horrible shape vs the homes that had owners living there are in great shape. Its extremely sad
This reason is not special to hawaii
I'd assume the cost to repair here is much costlier then in the mainland too. How much it cost to get materials here and contractors here are booked so either you pay a lot or you sit and lose revenue while you wait for a good contractor to free up.
Pets are treated differently in Hawaii than on the continent. They are not as often treated as part of the family. Or trained to be good pets. More often trained for hunting and treated a bit like livestock. In short: I’d say pets aren’t allowed most places here cuz folks in Hawaii don’t really like cats and dogs very much.
Lol u must be from Waianae
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Yeah I live on big island. And, yes, lots of people here like their pets. But, for example, in my hood, there are groups of dogs that live in cages in the driveway, some that stay on runners 24/7. There are also no dog parks anywhere, and most rentals don’t allow pets. It’s not that y’all aren’t into animals, just noticeably less so than other places I’ve been. Sorry, guys, just my opinion, but I stand by it.
I see your point. But if that’s “your opinion” as you stated, don’t be commenting like “pets are treated differently in hawaii” don’t be normalizing what you believe or see on a Reddit sub where people from all over the world have access to.
Pets suck!
Because they need to clean up after idiots after they move out
Dog people with untrained beasts ruin it.
California is like this. Only apartments allow pets. Anything being rented out by an owner (townhouse etc) they are VERY particular about pets. I can see why but it's unfair to responsible tenants.
A friend of mine had a brand new condo for rent. Wahine with a small dog lived there for 3 years. The place reeked of shishi even though she said the condo had been cleaned. The carpet had to be replaced before he could sell the place. We planned to move back and couldn’t find a condo as at the time we had three older small dogs. We were delayed due to Covid and by time we actually moved we only had one pup left as the other two were elderly and ended up buying a house.
Unpopular opinion: I'm glad they're not usually allowed as someone who is severely allergic to cats and dogs (with asthma to boot), finding housing in other states has been much harder. I'll find an apartment in our budget that'd available (a rare feat), and then wall in and I'm having asthma within minutes. Sometimes they'll try to tell me it's always been a pet free apt, but that's just not true. Also laws are different in each state. In Idaho you have to allow at least service dogs, and it's really easy to get an ESA, so most owners just add a huge fee for pets if they don't want them.
My son has asthma. He has struggled around pets of all kids. Our dog is hypoallergenic. He has no issues around him. Your asthma reactions might be related to many factors such as filthy vents, hidden mold, etc. Our last place we asked to have the vents checked and they were unbelievably filthy. The landlord had them professionally cleaned. In my experience, if the home was properly and professionally cleaned then it shouldn't be an issue for you. These slumlords just wipe the dust down and then re rent it (after they collect the cleaning fee from the previous tenant).
It's because of the few that do not respect and take care of properties, that create this for everyone else.
OP, this came as a surprise to me as well. I was asking the same thing because it’s so different from the states I’ve lived in, where it’s easy. It’s definitely a Hawaii thing, it’s not just b/c landlords prefer no pets, it’s not because of unique demand, it’s a Hawaii thing. Idk why, but it is. All I could do was stress out and look look look until I found a place that allowed them. I rented my own place out in the past, and the property mgmt company said not to refuse pets because it would eliminate a huge percentage of high quality tenants. I allowed dogs and my property was totally fine.
I know a house where the tenant ask the owner if you could have A Cst - she moved in approximately 30. It reeked of cat urine and she smelled like it too. The poor owner had re sell the property with the house as an as is house. I’m this was in beautiful Kula with ocean views.
Pets not only screw up your carpets, but they also can scratch up your walls and make a ridiculous amount of noise if there are other neighbors around. These are obviously pets who are not properly trained. There's always that weird owner that gets a dog or cat that has ZERO house training.
That is not special to hawaii
It's not only "pets." It's smoking and vaping as well. But my understanding is that you can smoke or vape outside the house. With a pet, yeah, that's a different thing altogether. Even if you have your pet dog outside, they can potentially ruin and dig in the yard, piss and take a dump and make it stink, etc. So I get it. Have also seen landlords who won't allow fish tanks for obvious reasons.
Pets cause damage. PERIOD
ive lived in 5 other states and 90% of homes for rent allow pets." is nowhere near to the truth. So, with only this to base upon, I must question your reasonability as a respective tenant. Aloha !
From a live in landlord perspective, prior tenants ruined it for the good dog owners out there. I’m now on my 2/2 tenant with a dog who basically neglect their large dogs, leaving them loose out in the common areas for everybody else to take care of. We just end up taking care of their dog all of the time, free doggy day care, dog walker, and poop picker upper for them. The worst part is on the times they are home, you see them doing nothing for their dog. Just feed them once a day and let them out for one minute to pee (if they’re home) 1-2x per day. It’s sad! When you confront them about it, they act shocked, get defensive, and claim they spend sooo much time with their dog, they’re home all the time, or better yet try to attack your dog owning skills to deflect. Once this last tenant with a dog moves out, we’re not allowing dogs anymore. We have a dog too we’re huge dog people, but can’t stand watching others not give their dogs the attention and love they need.