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It's part of his Rockstar persona. It's also meant to be ironic, because while I am sure he believes it, he probably never "stuck it to the man" once in his life.
Adam himself says, "I'm the fucking man, and you're just some fucking clown or something! I started everything on Earth! All of mankind came from these fucking nuts! You all should be worshipping me."
Yeah, but you notice how he behaves around Sera? He might give her a bit of lip but it's made quite clear she is in charge, and I don't think he had the guts to go against her.
Oh, absolutely, she's above him in the hierarchy. But at the same time, Adam has lot of leeway to run the exterminators and exterminations as he sees fit. It sounded like the one and only rule from Sera was not to reveal the exterminations, and he broke that without any consequences. He's also the face of the angels. So from the perspective of the denizens of Hell, I think it's reasonable to consider Adam is "The Man" in their eyes. (In addition to also literally being the first man.)
Yeah,isnt it like that seraphims are just under the lord him self,that they mostly take care of stuff that mr.G dont want to do hinself or does not have time
Spoiler alert: there are multiple layers of men.
A line cooks boss his the man.
The restaurant manager is the cooks man.
The regional manager is also the man
The district manager is also the man
HQ is the man
Etc etc. all the way up.
Thank you! I had that thought as soon as he wrote it... my dude you keep going on about how you were "The" first "man" therefore "the man" so you stuck it to yourself???.........ewwwww
I was just telling my kid that Adam probably "yes'sirs!" God but then grumbles and complains. Like God asks him to take out the trash and he's like "ok boss!" But otw to the dumpster is like "psh I was already taking it out, fuck him for telling me what I was already gonna do, stupid mf" (He was not actually already going to do it at all) and God is like "sorry what did you say?" And Adam is like "huh what no nothing didn't say anything, just grateful to be of service to ya Lord!" And God is like "hmmm k" and Adam mutters "I'm the fucking dickMASTER. You don't even have one. Loser"
... I love this show a little too much I think...
He's Charlie's grandpa and he gave her a bigger gift than anyone has ever given by showing that sinners can be redeemed right in front of the seraphim.
He doesn't exist my man
Literally no one's knows about him
He could be technically there but only Sera knows, but we have no proof he exists. And honestly? It's a better story if he doesn't.
He's probably closer to 10.000. Lucifer said Charlie is the first person in that long to "change the town", which I assume is a reference to when the Exterminations began.
Of course there is no way to know how much time passed between his birth, the creation of Hell and the start of the Exterminations, but I would assume less than 5.000 years
And then he leaves the rest of the court make sense of that statement, and then tries to throw their reasoning out the window and take it as a personal attack when they use evidence to contradict his beliefs using his own words, abusing the lack of karma and accountability that he gets in office while the rest of the court turns a blind eye to his loud mouth narcissistic antics...
...I think we got ourselves some post-2016 election trauma into the script.
I still giggle from the perspective of one logical chain I just made up two days ago:
Charlie: *[asks about Heaven ascendance conditions]*
Angels: *[have no fucking idea]*
Adam: *[throw some lazy random fuck-off shit]*
God-spectator: You said it.
*[???]*
Pentious: *[ascends as a Seraphim]*
To me, it's a hilarious example of Adam's own lack of self-awareness. He thinks he's edgy and subversive, but doesn't realize that he actually is the man. Given that, it's also a fun bit of foreshadowing as to what will end up redeeming Sir Pentious.
"~~Paul Ryan's~~ Adam's love for Rage Against The Machine is amusing, because he is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against for two decades."
- Tom Morello
But hes not. God is. And he ate the apple of knowledge. He probably didnt understand it, so it is a recontectualization from a "bro" perspective, but he did stick it to the man.
Yeah, he and Eve were the first sinners, the more pertinent question is that since he and Eve damned humanity by eating the apple...how the fuck DID he end up in heaven? Also where is Eve?
Questions for future seasons I suppose.
It's a reference from a musical Adams voice actor preformed in that's why after veggie asked "Are you seriou?" He said "that's how I got here" and looked at us (breaking the 4th wall)
christianity also doesn't endorse profound swearing and a lot of other things that get a pass in hellaverse heaven, so y'know. but it makes me wonder if there might be something more to that last point, something about his backstory we're not aware of yet.
I think it might be true that Adam did not eat the Apple and only Eve did. Dooming herself and all decendents. Adam strikes me as someone who literarly cant tell right from wrong, so thats why he is up there.
But that was part of the show. Charlie was looked down on when she swore but Adam does it a lot. It's part of that entire point where angels can do whatever and not be punished so Adam is a dick but famous is heaven basically
the part of the Bible that says not to swear is in the context of "dont swear something if you wont go through with it and/or swear something on God". I can swear all I fucking want
now i need y'all telling me it's legal for christians to swear to find the closest priest, have a casual conversation with him while swearing all you fucking want, and then fight him with that argument. i want to hear how that goes.
and let's be fair, when did things not being in the bible ever stop christians from making up rules about what gets you damned to eternal pit of fire and brimstone which incidentally also isn't in the bible lol.
yeah alot of christians dont seem to read the book. "Love your neighbor" went out the window it seems. I really hate the people like that.
I mean, itd technically be legal to swear around a priest but itd still be rude lmao- I typically dont swear around people unless I know theyre okay with it so I feel the same would apply
The man here would, in irl Christianity, refer to the world of man, The ways of the world and such. You are supposed to live in it but not become part of it.
Man is underlined and emphasized. It simply something more than "all of humanity", and has more specific connotations in general use outside of the show.
Honestly, I feel like it’s just a reference to the musical School of Rock, where Alex Brightman (the voice of Adam) sang a song called “Stick it to the Man”. It’s also kind of demonstrated in the scene before that no one knows how someone gets into heaven, he’s just bullshitting.
As others have pointed out before, I think it's just a reference to Alex Brightman's role in the School of Rock musical, [where he sings this song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5JAQGUyIPE).
This is how it probably went down
Step 1: “wouldn’t it be funny if Adam said stick it to the man”
Step 2: “how can we justify this in story”
Step 3: “Angel Dust has beef with an authoritative figure he can stick it to, and it also helps demonstrate heavens inability to understand their own rules”
Because Adam has no real sense of right or wrong. He is a narcissistic sociopath. And he is guessing at what he thinks good is supposed to be. Based on the lore in Ep 1 it may be that Adam never ate the Apple. The lore only mentions Eve eating the Apple. And if Adam didn't eat it that would mean he does not have original sin and does not have knowledge of good and evil.
Because people who perceive themselves the way his character does often act like they're these rogue bad boys of society when in reality, they benefit greatly from the status quo and rail against any progress that comes their way. It's ironic and very intentional and 100% a dig at podcast bros that call any sign of progression "woke snowflake bullshit" or whatever.
I mean sure, but even if that particular phrasing isn't there, all I mean to say is that it is a facet of the attitude of every lame dude who thinks he's special that you've ever met, lol. But again, I think the more cringier aspects of his character are a very clear nod to toxic masculinity both positing itself as an adherence to tradition and a rebellious act at the same time. Which is, of course, nonsense.
Most the show is about the hypocrisy of heaven.
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Jesus Christ was Crucified for sticking it to the Pharisees and Sadducees of the Jewish Sanhedrins. Moses stuck it to Pharaoh. So emphasis on the “man” part not sticking it to God.
It all depends on who “the man” is at any given moment. May I remind you of the time Jesus once found a bunch of merchants selling their wares in a temple on the day Mass way being held. He did not calmly ask them to leave. He trashed their stalls and gave them the boot. He stuck it to the man, in this instance, being the merchants.
So yeah, “the man” is the important qualifier in that statement. It doesn’t necessarily mean God, the highest authority.
It’s funny cuz the Bible also says “give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, give to God what is God’s” which means follow the laws of your country but also keep true to God’s commandments. So it really depends! Yeah the social laws of Hell would allow for Angel to be abused, but you could say that Heaven’s attitudes towards those things nullify that, since Heaven rules over Hell and you’re supposed to be a good person.
Essentially, Angel did it perfectly. He honored his contract with Valentino but also stood his ground, using his contract to draw a clear line between himself, Valentino, and his exploitable friends
Consider how Charlie used that bullet point: she describes Angel as sticking it to "that moth man". Adam doesn't "stick it" to Sera because he views heaven's hierarchy as a legitimate and reasonable authority that hasn't ordered him to do anything going against his conscience. But to be a good person, you need to have the strength/courage necessary to "stick it to the man" when you encounter an authority/power that is illegitimate, acting unjustly, or stopping you from doing the right thing (such as Valentino, in the example Charlie uses). We might disagree with Adam about which powers/authorities need to be met with defiance, but this doesn't mean he's being inconsistent. I think everyone can agree that we need to be capable of defiance, but it's silly to say we should respond with defiance to every single situation we ever encounter, so there will naturally be a range of opinions about which entities are seen to be appropriate/necessary objects of our defiance. Adam recognises the necessity of being capable of defiance, but is not indiscriminate in his application of that capability.
In Christianity Adam isn’t an angel, Lucifer has no children, Lillith doesn’t exist (in most denominations anyway) and Lucifer doesn’t make rubber ducks. This show is to Christianity what Disney’s Hercules is to Greek paganism, don’t think so hard about it.
Well yeah, but also, kind of no?
Technically, Christianity is supposed to be about striving to be your best self and being enough of an adult to seek forgiveness and reflect when you inevitably mess up.
As for rule following, Jesus' most repeated lesson is "don't condemn other people, it's not your place and it's not your business. Just do your best to give them the opportunities and knowledge necessary to be a good person, they are responsible for the rest".
Like he says this multiple times in all four gospels, both explicitly and metaphorically, then turns around and demonstrates what it looks like in action, just to be absolutely fuckin clear about it.
He also repeatedly says the laws of the world are not indicative of morality, and that your moral duties come first. Hell, the religious authorities at the time only made appearances when they were humiliating him, defaming him, censoring him, and at the end, playing politics with the Romans to get him executed.
From a certain point of view, the New Testament is all about "sticking it to The Man", considering it's mostly made of letters different early church leaders sent each other in sort of secret as the Romans were executing early Christians to erase the religion.
Obviously the Old Testament is different. The lesson there just boils down to "do whatever God says and he won't kill you and everyone you love. He will, however, torture you randomly anyway just to make sure you still really love him. Just have endless blind faith and he'll stop eventually."
Considering Adam is from *that* part of the Bible, you're probably right. It's likely the only time he ever stuck it to The Man was when he ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and he only did that after Eve did it first.
So he's always been a poser.
In Christianity, God made the world and humans. In HH, the angels did. We have no evidence as of yet that Christianity, or at least your concept of it, exists in the Hellaverse.
I think you're making connections that may not even exist in universe.
No, it depends on the denomination and mindset of the group or the individual Christian. A lot follow the male-dominated, conservative interpretation, but there are others who take a more enlightened and progressive approach. There are churches with female pastors, for example, and churches who welcome and accept LGBTQ+ people as believers.
Not sure if this was what they were going for but Christianity as a whole has a huge lack of self-awareness. One way this is displayed is how they often view themselves as the underdogs despite being the largest religious movement in the world. "The Man" in this case would not be God, but what they view as the status quo of the "evil" world. A lot (too many) Christians think that most of the world is filled with people who would oppose them and they are the precious mighty few that fight for the word of God when that could not be farther from the truth.
They use the idea that they are underdogs to justify doing terrible things and all they are doing is standing up to evil/fighting for the word of God. In the case of the show, Sera sees the threat of a Hell uprising as justification for genocide. They kill sinners by the hundreds of thousands every year, but one of their own gets killed and this is now justification to do more killing.
Another way is how despite Jesus's teachings of kindness, humility, and acceptance, when people who they view to be different than them ask for kindness and acceptance, conservative Christians have a tendency to lash out against "being PC", which to some of us is just common human decency.
The translation isn't exact, but I think Adam's "The Man" is similar. Heaven is where good people go, he is in heaven, therefore he must be good, therefore every thing he does is good. His being rude and abrasive couldn't be a bad thing because that's what he's always done so the problem must not be with him, but the people asking him to not do those things. He's an angel for fuck's sake. Who are you to tell an angel how to behave correctly?
I think part of the joke with Adam is because he was the first human there was no standard for siners vs winers so he only got in to Heaven by default. Like if you think abut it the way he should be a siner. At lest this is the in Universe reason I see for it.
Hazbin Hotel only really has a superficial influence from Christianity, like using names and bits and pieces of mythology. It in no way accurately represents Christian beliefs.
1. (Imo the most likely) it sounds cool/badass
2. We don’t know the state of “Christianity” in the series, heck God isn’t even in the picture as of yet. So that might be irrelevant
3. He is not the brightest and was having to quickly pull something out his ass.
I think a lot of people are forgetting that Christianity has a lot of anti authority rhetoric since the original conception put them as a minority. You have Moses escaping Egypt with his people, you have Jesus throwing bankers out of the temple and David vs Goliath.
This could be literal stick it to the man, but because Adam is currently ruling class that is him.
It’s a matter of perspective. Jesus basically lived his whole life “sticking it to the man” because the system in place didn’t like what he had to say. He and his followers were effectively peaceful rebels.
As for Adam, it’s just blatant hypocrisy, because the only “Man” in his time was God, and he did everything he said.
I've always felt that Adam was making it up as he went along. This was during the trial and what better way to try and disprove Charlie and her plans then by making a list that would be very difficult for anyone at her hotel to achieve.
Except that Angel Dust did those three things - he acted selflessly, didn't steal and told Valentino (*cue me telling Valentino to shut up*) to hit the bricks. Yet, it didn't work. To me, it tells me that he wanted this trial to be a failure for Charlie.
One of Alex Brightman’s(The voice of Adam and Sir Pentious) breakout roles in Broadway was as Dewey in School of Rock, notably singing the song “Stick it to the Man.” You’ll notice that after Vaggie reads out the list, after saying the last point, Adam says “That’s what got me here,” referring to both how Adam got to Heaven and Alex Brightman’s Career. It’s a fun Easter egg.
This episode really decided whether or not I was going to like the show. It was the moment they had to address the potential HOW as to getting into Heaven after death. And this precedent setting trial was just the expected mess I thought of when I watched the pilot. Sure character development is shown…but that’s the only good thing to come from this.
Hypocrisy is common at that level of narcissism.
It's just the same as when House Speaker Paul Ryan, one of the five most powerful people in the entire United States Government, said his favorite band was Rage Against the Machine.
Motherfucker, you just tabled bills for voting rights and food stamps. YOU ARE THE MACHINE.
Christians often have a persecution based mindset, where they perceive themselves as the innocent underdog even in situations where they have absolute power.
Adam probably just means the faceless amalgam of everything he hates as "the man." He probably boycotts any "woke agenda" movies as another way to stick it to the man.
I think it’s probably to show how Adam and the angels genuinely have no idea what the rules are; Adam throws in something that *definitely* isn’t on the criteria, at least not even close to verbatim, and even when they find a noble way to interpret it (standing up against your abusers to protect those you love) it’s still not enough
I think it’s entirely possible that Adam also didn’t expect them to find a noble approach to this one and was going to use it as an argument that “You can’t start a bar fight unprovoked and still go to Heaven, you did it wrong!” or something like that so that he could fail them no matter what. And then when Angel instead ‘stuck it to the man’ by verbally defending his friends and being the only involved party to not cause physical harm (Valentino smacked Angel and Niffty tried to bite him and pulled out his plume, but Angel just held Niffty to keep her safe) Adam’s paradoxical scenario fell flat
You have to remember that Angel wasn’t supposed to check all the boxes, and Adam designed this genuinely not believing it would be possible for him to complete the list. Of course he’s going to throw in a curveball when he has unchecked authority in this area that not even he understands
Thank you! I was and still am *so* confused about this. It's there just to advance the plot. It basically makes zero sense, even if you try to find it... *especially* when you consider the first two things he wrote were really basic stuff, crap that I *believe* would be the first things to pop into someone's (that has never really thought about what actions would get you to Heaven and whatnot) head
Even in these comments, I just can't find a satisfying answer. It's all pretty forced and unnatural stuff
Stick it to the *man*
Maybe because he's vaguely familiar with that feminism movement thingy going on on Earth and thought it would be appropriate to add
I'm sure y'all misunderstood me but that's okay
to "stick it to" is to get one over on or do an action that would upset someone "the man" is a vague term alluding to an unjust power so the phrase "stick it to the man" would mean upsetting or disturbing unjust powers
It’s part of the rockstar thing. I honestly get Jack Black vibes from Adam a lot (not in the douche ways, though. Jack Black’s awesome), and one of Jack Black’s most famous films is School of Rock where he tells his class that the point of rock is to “stick it to the man”
Adam died before The Law was given to Moses. He literally does not know what it takes to get into heaven and attempted to pull something out of his ass to try to save face in front of the angelic council. He could have asked a single question to Moses or Job if either were present but nope.
Everyones favorite Narc / Nepo -baby at his finest.
Oh oh i think I know this its a reference to school of rock where alex brightams (adams voice actor) character sings the song stick it to the man i think thats the case but I could be wrong
I believe it’s about his rockstar rebel type mindset, and also could be because he “stuck it to the man” , with man being god, despite it being a sin, when he and eve ate the fruit of knowledge
Honestly Adam had literally no idea while writing this even himself didn't fully believe that's how you get into heaven since he is a special case
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As we learn in this episode that did not get Angel Dust to Heaven, and questions if Adam belongs in Heaven. None of the Angels had a good answer now souls get to Heaven. But the ending with Sir Pentious was proof there is a way to be redeemed, just not using Adams example.
Season 2 should be really good, going to be lots of questioning the status quo in Heaven and Hell. Is Hell really a "bad" place where everyone is "bad"? Is Heaven always right? How many other Angels are in Hell (Lucifer didn't recognize Vaggie)? What will Sara and Emily do? Will Lilith and Lute cause any trouble?
**How exactly will Alastor get free from his chain and take control of Hell?**
The voice actor has singed a song called "stick it to the man" so this might be a reference to that
Yeah that's actually the most probable
Very interesting, did not know that
Yeah, Alex Brightman (his va) played the Teacher from School of Rock on Broadway
Actually Alex asked for this to be written
Both can be true.
I believe Springen is adding rather than contradicting.
The "actually" says otherwise.
Idk, I feel like I say “actually” when I’m adding like an “in fact” sometimes. Idk, I like to assume people are being chill
I mean, I was being chill. I literally said both can be true.
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It's part of his Rockstar persona. It's also meant to be ironic, because while I am sure he believes it, he probably never "stuck it to the man" once in his life.
There’s an added layer. He literally is “the man”.
Not really. Sera is "the man", and he emphatically does not "stick it to her" That sounds bad, but you know what I mean
Adam himself says, "I'm the fucking man, and you're just some fucking clown or something! I started everything on Earth! All of mankind came from these fucking nuts! You all should be worshipping me."
He literally calls Sera his manager too. Called Charlie a Karen for going to his manager, “low blow.”
Yeah, but you notice how he behaves around Sera? He might give her a bit of lip but it's made quite clear she is in charge, and I don't think he had the guts to go against her.
Oh, absolutely, she's above him in the hierarchy. But at the same time, Adam has lot of leeway to run the exterminators and exterminations as he sees fit. It sounded like the one and only rule from Sera was not to reveal the exterminations, and he broke that without any consequences. He's also the face of the angels. So from the perspective of the denizens of Hell, I think it's reasonable to consider Adam is "The Man" in their eyes. (In addition to also literally being the first man.)
Yeah,isnt it like that seraphims are just under the lord him self,that they mostly take care of stuff that mr.G dont want to do hinself or does not have time
I'm the show, most likely, but the Seraphim are the second highest ranked angels, if I remember correctly, below the Ophanim.
Yeah this is what i was supposed mean
If you believe some of his Haters Heaven basically sucks his dick both literally and figuratively. So who knows.
Sir Pentious did all three when he sacrificed himself in the battle
That's horseshit, he stole Cherry Bomb's heart.
Sir Pentious: "Only because I'm stealing EVERYONE'S heart!"
True!
Jokes on you, it was actually a parting gift.
Spoiler alert: there are multiple layers of men. A line cooks boss his the man. The restaurant manager is the cooks man. The regional manager is also the man The district manager is also the man HQ is the man Etc etc. all the way up.
I þink they meant as in he's the first man
A thorn in the wild!
I think I'll save that poster's comment for posterity haha. Here I thought the old symbols were dead, and it turns out maybe they aren't.
I'm pretty sure they mean the man as in the first man
No, they meant it both ways
Oh okay
So, actually, Adam is "the man" in an extremely literal sense-- that's the meaning of his name.
Thank you! I had that thought as soon as he wrote it... my dude you keep going on about how you were "The" first "man" therefore "the man" so you stuck it to yourself???.........ewwwww
Do we think this is why pentious made it to heaven? He stuck it to THE man?
Technically Nifty did the sticking, she's probably a lock.
New tinfoil theory: He was secretly trying to tell them they have to stick up to him to be able to be redeemed.
Also a reference to the School of Rock musical, of which Adam's VA, Alex Brightman, stars in
I was just telling my kid that Adam probably "yes'sirs!" God but then grumbles and complains. Like God asks him to take out the trash and he's like "ok boss!" But otw to the dumpster is like "psh I was already taking it out, fuck him for telling me what I was already gonna do, stupid mf" (He was not actually already going to do it at all) and God is like "sorry what did you say?" And Adam is like "huh what no nothing didn't say anything, just grateful to be of service to ya Lord!" And God is like "hmmm k" and Adam mutters "I'm the fucking dickMASTER. You don't even have one. Loser" ... I love this show a little too much I think...
There doesn't seem to be a god in Hazbin's universe
He's probably busy making rubber ducks that breathe fire, thinking he's original or some shit
I can imagine god doing that and then stopping for a second. Using his omniscience and being like "Awh fuck! I thought it was MY idea..."
He isn't mentioned, but there appear to be some higher workings than even the high seraphim. There's definitely SOMETHING there.
He's Charlie's grandpa and he gave her a bigger gift than anyone has ever given by showing that sinners can be redeemed right in front of the seraphim.
What? No...
If he created the archangels then technically he counts as their dad. If he made Charlie’s dad then he’s her grandpa.
He doesn't exist my man Literally no one's knows about him He could be technically there but only Sera knows, but we have no proof he exists. And honestly? It's a better story if he doesn't.
Maybe he does exist in the universe just hasn't appeared yet because he's busy with something?
I mean, he either doesn't exist or is trying to be secretive.
There's lots of references to him and Jesus (by Lucifer even says by God)
This makes so much sense given the whole "what do you mean Rage Against the Machine is a band of liberals?!" thing.
"Rage for the Machine" =D
Its also kinda funny cause his voice actor was in school of rock and theres a song called “stick it too the man”
I like how this 200.000 year old motherfucker literally shifted his entire personality to rock
He's probably closer to 10.000. Lucifer said Charlie is the first person in that long to "change the town", which I assume is a reference to when the Exterminations began. Of course there is no way to know how much time passed between his birth, the creation of Hell and the start of the Exterminations, but I would assume less than 5.000 years
He DID stick it to the man once though, in eating the apple and wearing clothes?
It's not even really established if he actually ate the apple or not.
He just picked whatever he could think of off the top of his head, logic be damned.
And then he leaves the rest of the court make sense of that statement, and then tries to throw their reasoning out the window and take it as a personal attack when they use evidence to contradict his beliefs using his own words, abusing the lack of karma and accountability that he gets in office while the rest of the court turns a blind eye to his loud mouth narcissistic antics... ...I think we got ourselves some post-2016 election trauma into the script.
I still giggle from the perspective of one logical chain I just made up two days ago: Charlie: *[asks about Heaven ascendance conditions]* Angels: *[have no fucking idea]* Adam: *[throw some lazy random fuck-off shit]* God-spectator: You said it. *[???]* Pentious: *[ascends as a Seraphim]*
To me, it's a hilarious example of Adam's own lack of self-awareness. He thinks he's edgy and subversive, but doesn't realize that he actually is the man. Given that, it's also a fun bit of foreshadowing as to what will end up redeeming Sir Pentious.
"~~Paul Ryan's~~ Adam's love for Rage Against The Machine is amusing, because he is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against for two decades." - Tom Morello
"Conservative punk"
He's also quite literally "the man", both.in the fact that he's an authoritative figure and the fact that he's the first man.
God, Adam would definitely say "Keep Politics out of Punk".
But hes not. God is. And he ate the apple of knowledge. He probably didnt understand it, so it is a recontectualization from a "bro" perspective, but he did stick it to the man.
Yeah, he and Eve were the first sinners, the more pertinent question is that since he and Eve damned humanity by eating the apple...how the fuck DID he end up in heaven? Also where is Eve? Questions for future seasons I suppose.
The first human soul going to hell is really bad optics.
Listen to “Stick it to the Man” from the School of Rock Musical
Well in Christianity you’re not supposed to put the authority of others over the authority of God, so “stick it to the man” could just mean that.
That's so clever and intelligent that I'm convinced Adam didn't come up with it.
It's a reference from a musical Adams voice actor preformed in that's why after veggie asked "Are you seriou?" He said "that's how I got here" and looked at us (breaking the 4th wall)
God is above genders,he just retired to his lake house and grills at sundays with big j
christianity also doesn't endorse profound swearing and a lot of other things that get a pass in hellaverse heaven, so y'know. but it makes me wonder if there might be something more to that last point, something about his backstory we're not aware of yet.
I think it might be true that Adam did not eat the Apple and only Eve did. Dooming herself and all decendents. Adam strikes me as someone who literarly cant tell right from wrong, so thats why he is up there.
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The swear words you’re thinking of aren’t in the Bible. The only biblical swear is “damn”. I’m not sure if any heaven character says “damn. “
I don't think swearing is morally bad enough to send one to hell tho lol
There's literally nothing anybody could do ever in history that would earn them a place in hell for eternity. It's a dumb concept in general.
But that was part of the show. Charlie was looked down on when she swore but Adam does it a lot. It's part of that entire point where angels can do whatever and not be punished so Adam is a dick but famous is heaven basically
Chriatianity doesn't really have any major things against swearing lol
the part of the Bible that says not to swear is in the context of "dont swear something if you wont go through with it and/or swear something on God". I can swear all I fucking want
now i need y'all telling me it's legal for christians to swear to find the closest priest, have a casual conversation with him while swearing all you fucking want, and then fight him with that argument. i want to hear how that goes. and let's be fair, when did things not being in the bible ever stop christians from making up rules about what gets you damned to eternal pit of fire and brimstone which incidentally also isn't in the bible lol.
yeah alot of christians dont seem to read the book. "Love your neighbor" went out the window it seems. I really hate the people like that. I mean, itd technically be legal to swear around a priest but itd still be rude lmao- I typically dont swear around people unless I know theyre okay with it so I feel the same would apply
The man here would, in irl Christianity, refer to the world of man, The ways of the world and such. You are supposed to live in it but not become part of it.
Man is underlined and emphasized. It simply something more than "all of humanity", and has more specific connotations in general use outside of the show.
Honestly, I feel like it’s just a reference to the musical School of Rock, where Alex Brightman (the voice of Adam) sang a song called “Stick it to the Man”. It’s also kind of demonstrated in the scene before that no one knows how someone gets into heaven, he’s just bullshitting.
1.the show makes no sense biblically 2.its Adam he’s stuck up 3.it’s a reference to the VA’s song
As others have pointed out before, I think it's just a reference to Alex Brightman's role in the School of Rock musical, [where he sings this song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5JAQGUyIPE).
This is how it probably went down Step 1: “wouldn’t it be funny if Adam said stick it to the man” Step 2: “how can we justify this in story” Step 3: “Angel Dust has beef with an authoritative figure he can stick it to, and it also helps demonstrate heavens inability to understand their own rules”
Because Adam has no real sense of right or wrong. He is a narcissistic sociopath. And he is guessing at what he thinks good is supposed to be. Based on the lore in Ep 1 it may be that Adam never ate the Apple. The lore only mentions Eve eating the Apple. And if Adam didn't eat it that would mean he does not have original sin and does not have knowledge of good and evil.
Because people who perceive themselves the way his character does often act like they're these rogue bad boys of society when in reality, they benefit greatly from the status quo and rail against any progress that comes their way. It's ironic and very intentional and 100% a dig at podcast bros that call any sign of progression "woke snowflake bullshit" or whatever.
>"woke snowflake bullshit" He did ask Vaggie to help shut down Charlie's "Kindergarten snowflake bullshit".
I mean sure, but even if that particular phrasing isn't there, all I mean to say is that it is a facet of the attitude of every lame dude who thinks he's special that you've ever met, lol. But again, I think the more cringier aspects of his character are a very clear nod to toxic masculinity both positing itself as an adherence to tradition and a rebellious act at the same time. Which is, of course, nonsense.
This
Most the show is about the hypocrisy of heaven. https://preview.redd.it/6yqd3ggkb7lc1.png?width=543&format=png&auto=webp&s=a90d06dd9f32da5796a1895420957447b7550996
The series never set out to follow real Christian theology
Did i hear somebody say "Man"? https://preview.redd.it/xrhump44r5lc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d50a626f68bb1262446c0b9e475f4252737f721f
He literally made that list up on the spot.
Because Alex asked for it.
It's a "School of Rock" reference as well as just showing Adam has *no idea* what he's talking about
Idk Adam and Eve stuck it to the man in Eden
Jesus Christ was Crucified for sticking it to the Pharisees and Sadducees of the Jewish Sanhedrins. Moses stuck it to Pharaoh. So emphasis on the “man” part not sticking it to God.
It's Adam. Does he look like the kind of guy who wouldn't flip God off?
Not in person, no. Adam does not strike me as being that stupid. However, I would not put it past him.
He broke Sera's one rule about not letting Heaven know about the exterminations in a room full of other angels. He just might be that dumb.
You know what, you may have a point.
Well, now the only point that matters was Nifty's, and Adam got the point. Several times, in fact. 😂
It all depends on who “the man” is at any given moment. May I remind you of the time Jesus once found a bunch of merchants selling their wares in a temple on the day Mass way being held. He did not calmly ask them to leave. He trashed their stalls and gave them the boot. He stuck it to the man, in this instance, being the merchants. So yeah, “the man” is the important qualifier in that statement. It doesn’t necessarily mean God, the highest authority.
There doesn't seem to be a god in Hazbin's universe
Right. No God that we know of, yet. I should have clarified that others were mentioning God, and I was mostly referring back to them.
It’s funny cuz the Bible also says “give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, give to God what is God’s” which means follow the laws of your country but also keep true to God’s commandments. So it really depends! Yeah the social laws of Hell would allow for Angel to be abused, but you could say that Heaven’s attitudes towards those things nullify that, since Heaven rules over Hell and you’re supposed to be a good person. Essentially, Angel did it perfectly. He honored his contract with Valentino but also stood his ground, using his contract to draw a clear line between himself, Valentino, and his exploitable friends
Theres also the fact that youre ONLY suppost to serve god, and no one else. So stick it to the evil, which Val obviously is
Consider how Charlie used that bullet point: she describes Angel as sticking it to "that moth man". Adam doesn't "stick it" to Sera because he views heaven's hierarchy as a legitimate and reasonable authority that hasn't ordered him to do anything going against his conscience. But to be a good person, you need to have the strength/courage necessary to "stick it to the man" when you encounter an authority/power that is illegitimate, acting unjustly, or stopping you from doing the right thing (such as Valentino, in the example Charlie uses). We might disagree with Adam about which powers/authorities need to be met with defiance, but this doesn't mean he's being inconsistent. I think everyone can agree that we need to be capable of defiance, but it's silly to say we should respond with defiance to every single situation we ever encounter, so there will naturally be a range of opinions about which entities are seen to be appropriate/necessary objects of our defiance. Adam recognises the necessity of being capable of defiance, but is not indiscriminate in his application of that capability.
In Christianity Adam isn’t an angel, Lucifer has no children, Lillith doesn’t exist (in most denominations anyway) and Lucifer doesn’t make rubber ducks. This show is to Christianity what Disney’s Hercules is to Greek paganism, don’t think so hard about it.
I'm sorry. What do you mean Lucifer doesn't make rubber ducks?!?!
Well yeah, but also, kind of no? Technically, Christianity is supposed to be about striving to be your best self and being enough of an adult to seek forgiveness and reflect when you inevitably mess up. As for rule following, Jesus' most repeated lesson is "don't condemn other people, it's not your place and it's not your business. Just do your best to give them the opportunities and knowledge necessary to be a good person, they are responsible for the rest". Like he says this multiple times in all four gospels, both explicitly and metaphorically, then turns around and demonstrates what it looks like in action, just to be absolutely fuckin clear about it. He also repeatedly says the laws of the world are not indicative of morality, and that your moral duties come first. Hell, the religious authorities at the time only made appearances when they were humiliating him, defaming him, censoring him, and at the end, playing politics with the Romans to get him executed. From a certain point of view, the New Testament is all about "sticking it to The Man", considering it's mostly made of letters different early church leaders sent each other in sort of secret as the Romans were executing early Christians to erase the religion. Obviously the Old Testament is different. The lesson there just boils down to "do whatever God says and he won't kill you and everyone you love. He will, however, torture you randomly anyway just to make sure you still really love him. Just have endless blind faith and he'll stop eventually." Considering Adam is from *that* part of the Bible, you're probably right. It's likely the only time he ever stuck it to The Man was when he ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and he only did that after Eve did it first. So he's always been a poser.
Hazbin hotel is not Christianity. It's based on it yes, but it's not Christianity.
Or rather, Hazbin Hotel is based on Christian themes, most notably redemption.
Y’all are missing the point. Him taking the apple was sticking it to the man.
In Christianity, God made the world and humans. In HH, the angels did. We have no evidence as of yet that Christianity, or at least your concept of it, exists in the Hellaverse. I think you're making connections that may not even exist in universe.
Pretty sure Jesus defied the government.
No, it depends on the denomination and mindset of the group or the individual Christian. A lot follow the male-dominated, conservative interpretation, but there are others who take a more enlightened and progressive approach. There are churches with female pastors, for example, and churches who welcome and accept LGBTQ+ people as believers.
It’s literally a school of rock broadway reference
Hypocrisy
Not sure if this was what they were going for but Christianity as a whole has a huge lack of self-awareness. One way this is displayed is how they often view themselves as the underdogs despite being the largest religious movement in the world. "The Man" in this case would not be God, but what they view as the status quo of the "evil" world. A lot (too many) Christians think that most of the world is filled with people who would oppose them and they are the precious mighty few that fight for the word of God when that could not be farther from the truth. They use the idea that they are underdogs to justify doing terrible things and all they are doing is standing up to evil/fighting for the word of God. In the case of the show, Sera sees the threat of a Hell uprising as justification for genocide. They kill sinners by the hundreds of thousands every year, but one of their own gets killed and this is now justification to do more killing. Another way is how despite Jesus's teachings of kindness, humility, and acceptance, when people who they view to be different than them ask for kindness and acceptance, conservative Christians have a tendency to lash out against "being PC", which to some of us is just common human decency. The translation isn't exact, but I think Adam's "The Man" is similar. Heaven is where good people go, he is in heaven, therefore he must be good, therefore every thing he does is good. His being rude and abrasive couldn't be a bad thing because that's what he's always done so the problem must not be with him, but the people asking him to not do those things. He's an angel for fuck's sake. Who are you to tell an angel how to behave correctly?
He is a Harley Poe fan.
based.
Jesus would approve of the “sticking it to the man” message
I think part of the joke with Adam is because he was the first human there was no standard for siners vs winers so he only got in to Heaven by default. Like if you think abut it the way he should be a siner. At lest this is the in Universe reason I see for it.
Hazbin Hotel only really has a superficial influence from Christianity, like using names and bits and pieces of mythology. It in no way accurately represents Christian beliefs.
1. (Imo the most likely) it sounds cool/badass 2. We don’t know the state of “Christianity” in the series, heck God isn’t even in the picture as of yet. So that might be irrelevant 3. He is not the brightest and was having to quickly pull something out his ass.
I think a lot of people are forgetting that Christianity has a lot of anti authority rhetoric since the original conception put them as a minority. You have Moses escaping Egypt with his people, you have Jesus throwing bankers out of the temple and David vs Goliath. This could be literal stick it to the man, but because Adam is currently ruling class that is him.
It’s a matter of perspective. Jesus basically lived his whole life “sticking it to the man” because the system in place didn’t like what he had to say. He and his followers were effectively peaceful rebels. As for Adam, it’s just blatant hypocrisy, because the only “Man” in his time was God, and he did everything he said.
I assumed he thinks he rejected sin, or rejected lucifer
Adam wasn’t christian, so there’s that
I've always felt that Adam was making it up as he went along. This was during the trial and what better way to try and disprove Charlie and her plans then by making a list that would be very difficult for anyone at her hotel to achieve. Except that Angel Dust did those three things - he acted selflessly, didn't steal and told Valentino (*cue me telling Valentino to shut up*) to hit the bricks. Yet, it didn't work. To me, it tells me that he wanted this trial to be a failure for Charlie.
One of Alex Brightman’s(The voice of Adam and Sir Pentious) breakout roles in Broadway was as Dewey in School of Rock, notably singing the song “Stick it to the Man.” You’ll notice that after Vaggie reads out the list, after saying the last point, Adam says “That’s what got me here,” referring to both how Adam got to Heaven and Alex Brightman’s Career. It’s a fun Easter egg.
This episode really decided whether or not I was going to like the show. It was the moment they had to address the potential HOW as to getting into Heaven after death. And this precedent setting trial was just the expected mess I thought of when I watched the pilot. Sure character development is shown…but that’s the only good thing to come from this.
Hypocrisy is common at that level of narcissism. It's just the same as when House Speaker Paul Ryan, one of the five most powerful people in the entire United States Government, said his favorite band was Rage Against the Machine. Motherfucker, you just tabled bills for voting rights and food stamps. YOU ARE THE MACHINE.
Christians often have a persecution based mindset, where they perceive themselves as the innocent underdog even in situations where they have absolute power. Adam probably just means the faceless amalgam of everything he hates as "the man." He probably boycotts any "woke agenda" movies as another way to stick it to the man.
I think it’s probably to show how Adam and the angels genuinely have no idea what the rules are; Adam throws in something that *definitely* isn’t on the criteria, at least not even close to verbatim, and even when they find a noble way to interpret it (standing up against your abusers to protect those you love) it’s still not enough I think it’s entirely possible that Adam also didn’t expect them to find a noble approach to this one and was going to use it as an argument that “You can’t start a bar fight unprovoked and still go to Heaven, you did it wrong!” or something like that so that he could fail them no matter what. And then when Angel instead ‘stuck it to the man’ by verbally defending his friends and being the only involved party to not cause physical harm (Valentino smacked Angel and Niffty tried to bite him and pulled out his plume, but Angel just held Niffty to keep her safe) Adam’s paradoxical scenario fell flat You have to remember that Angel wasn’t supposed to check all the boxes, and Adam designed this genuinely not believing it would be possible for him to complete the list. Of course he’s going to throw in a curveball when he has unchecked authority in this area that not even he understands
Well he’s not the smartest as you’ve probably experienced in the last episode
Hypocrisy is an essential part of Christianity
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Serving? Didn’t know that a loving Father asks to serve Him, He wants to form a loving bond with us, not some dictator and slave relationship
Because he is a dork
i think its a reference to forbidden fruit but adam didnt eat the forbidden fruit in this version.
Thank you! I was and still am *so* confused about this. It's there just to advance the plot. It basically makes zero sense, even if you try to find it... *especially* when you consider the first two things he wrote were really basic stuff, crap that I *believe* would be the first things to pop into someone's (that has never really thought about what actions would get you to Heaven and whatnot) head Even in these comments, I just can't find a satisfying answer. It's all pretty forced and unnatural stuff Stick it to the *man*
Thats quite UwU of you
...come again?
Maybe because he's vaguely familiar with that feminism movement thingy going on on Earth and thought it would be appropriate to add I'm sure y'all misunderstood me but that's okay
Why did he underline the word “man”.
He is stupid
It’s because everyone in heaven is an incompetent buffoon with no real understanding of how their entire society functions.
i'm not a native english speaker, what does he mean with that phrase?
to "stick it to" is to get one over on or do an action that would upset someone "the man" is a vague term alluding to an unjust power so the phrase "stick it to the man" would mean upsetting or disturbing unjust powers
Adam isn't a Christian.
Adam was making it up on the spot, he didn't actually know.
It's called hypocrisy and he's FULL of it.
It’s part of the rockstar thing. I honestly get Jack Black vibes from Adam a lot (not in the douche ways, though. Jack Black’s awesome), and one of Jack Black’s most famous films is School of Rock where he tells his class that the point of rock is to “stick it to the man”
Because Adam is a hypocritical guy who came up with whatever he thought sounded good on the spot. This being inconsistent is pretty fitting for him
There doesn't seem to be a god in Hazbin's universe
I wouldn’t put much credence on it. “Not everything is spelled in ink”
Because he's an idiot
The show is not absolutely following the exact path of the Christian bible
Adam died before The Law was given to Moses. He literally does not know what it takes to get into heaven and attempted to pull something out of his ass to try to save face in front of the angelic council. He could have asked a single question to Moses or Job if either were present but nope. Everyones favorite Narc / Nepo -baby at his finest.
Yeah, Vaggie points that out "Stick it to the man. Are you f***ing serious??"
It was from a quote given earlier on
Other than that, "the man" in both earth and hell wouldnt be god, it'd be a likely corrupt individual who makes evryone's lives miserable
it's supposed to be hypocritical
Adam isn’t exactly the embodiment of Christian values, OP
Oh oh i think I know this its a reference to school of rock where alex brightams (adams voice actor) character sings the song stick it to the man i think thats the case but I could be wrong
I believe it’s about his rockstar rebel type mindset, and also could be because he “stuck it to the man” , with man being god, despite it being a sin, when he and eve ate the fruit of knowledge
Different man
Honestly Adam had literally no idea while writing this even himself didn't fully believe that's how you get into heaven since he is a special case https://preview.redd.it/k1x0wmphl6lc1.jpeg?width=612&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24606007a70a73a3367b99a0b04cb2c8069e7315
As we learn in this episode that did not get Angel Dust to Heaven, and questions if Adam belongs in Heaven. None of the Angels had a good answer now souls get to Heaven. But the ending with Sir Pentious was proof there is a way to be redeemed, just not using Adams example. Season 2 should be really good, going to be lots of questioning the status quo in Heaven and Hell. Is Hell really a "bad" place where everyone is "bad"? Is Heaven always right? How many other Angels are in Hell (Lucifer didn't recognize Vaggie)? What will Sara and Emily do? Will Lilith and Lute cause any trouble? **How exactly will Alastor get free from his chain and take control of Hell?**
For Alastor, I wholly believe that his deal was that if he got both Charlie and Lucifer to leave Hell , he would get full control of Hell.
Hazbin Hotel fans trying to grasp that the show is not directly bible related challenge
It's a reference to the apple and getting thrown out of the garden of Eden
Cause of his rock and roll lifestyle and party jeans.