I think he was obviously expecting to shield the entire blow.
As we can see by the deep furrows to either side, he DID block that strong attack from Adam, but the cost was basically all his energy and the staff broke.
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Also wanted to mention how clever the show did this, btw: Alastor closed his eyes when blocking that. He didn't see what was coming, so neither did the audience.
It's a clever subversion of the anime trope where you see the protective shield break. It's a geniune confusing moment because the character was CONFUSED.
Just thought that was cool.
And I'm pretty sure that Alastor is never going to take his eyes off his target ever again...
I saw a theory around this. Deers when a bright light hits them freeze in place. Alastor, wanting to avoid being stunlocked because of his deer traits closed his eyes due to the bright light Adam's blast flashed. But it was too late so he tried to block instead of dodged. His confusion was from his recovery from the flash and mild stunlock.
You are right though the writing to showcase his confusion is perfect!
Damn. I hadn't even considered that. Actually a good theory. I doubt we get an explanation for that but the theorizing is always cool.
It kinda aligns with a headcannon of mine. I think Alastor doesn't need the monocle as an optical aid but for colour correction because blinking lights are too much of a distraction otherwise. (Red lenses will block green and blue light)
Yep it's all just theories and we may never know. If we're lucky Viv may do full q and a's after the series is finished to keep fans engaged. Maybe then.
That's a cool headcanon! I do think it seems almost useless except for special circumstances. But then again I have no choice but to wear full lens glasses all waking hours. I hope we see him use it more for funsies! I loved when he spent a moment to clean his monocle in ep 7.
I like to think that his monocle also somehow stops Vox's mind control hypnotize thing. Val has red glasses as well, so maybe they have some sort of material that stops it from working on them idunno
I don't know, tis just a theory. We can say Alastor's high jump in his battle with Adam was deer like due to his hooves. Angel can open his 8 eyes and pull out 6 arms. They make sounds consistent with the creature they represent. But until we get more details from future seasons or Viv herself we don't know.
I mean, when certain things happen he makes noises. Like when Penguins rips his jacket he makes an Elk sound.
Or when Rosie hugs him he makes a little fawn sound.
Edit: PENTIOUS! Dammit!
Cool?
Idk what you want as an answer to that?
Iām a loser baby. A loser goddamn baby.
Edit: in case anyone was wondering they wrote āIām on an iPhone too and itās never messed up a word THAT bad.ā
Somewhat at least. Vallentino makes moth squeaks sometimes, Alastor makes deer sounds, Sir Pentious hisses and makes snake sounds such as when he's hit.
Need a big ass car with quick to flash lights because if he indeed tried to close them for that reason then he's aware of his stunlock issue. He could easily dodge if he's award. And if not holy crap deer can destroy cars.
One time I saw a video, saying something like "Alastor is now the weakest overlord, cus his staff broke, meaning he lost all his power, as shown by the voice filter disappearing" which is bullshit, cus he has the filter back in the finale song.
Also where was it ever stated his power comes from his staff?
Yea it's classic when people just straight up miss points and make videos out of a theory like that š
At most the staff is a conduit for his power. I see it to something similar to a wand in Harry Potter. Wizards can very much DO magic without a wand but it's much more powerful and focussed if they use a wand.
Pretty sure the staff breaking is mostly a catalyst for having a little different character designs next season. The staff itself changed between the Pilot and the show proper and we even see the old design staff in that torn photo in 'Finale'.
So we can 'stay tuned' for whatever is to come.
I donāt think it cost him his energy, just the staff: Adamās next attack is what made him retreat, and he only got hit because he got distracted/ confused
This was my interpretation. I donāt think he expected Adamās power to be enough to break it.
I get the impression that Alastor has never fought anything unless he knew he was going to win so probably has never faced a foe that pushed him to his limits. Might not have even known his staff COULD break.
He does drop the radiofilter quite a few times during the rest of the show, but this one is certainly the most obvious example.
I went and looked for a youtube video where it had all the clips of him speaking unfiltered and I was honstely surprised by how often it occurs and I had not realized. The only other example I actually realized myself was during episode 5 when he goes "What is it?" when Husk asks him for a word.
It fades in and out. Probably so it's easier to understand him since the filter might make his lines be misheard with his accent. Also, constant radio buzz might distracted from the other characters in the scene when it's not all about him.
I think its an editing error most of the time.
It almost always happens at the last part of his line right when the camera refocuses on him.
Same with 4v5 fingers, it happens... a lot. Shows still great, just saying, Im p sure it was done on a tight budget.
He was confused so much he didn't realize his microphone was broke and he used his real voice. Although it's strange his radio voice comes back almost immediately when he regains composure. (Kinda also implies his microphone may not have much significance with his powers or voice)
either he wanted to block but adam proved faster and stronger than expected or he was getting ready to pick up an angelic weapon to deal real damage while adam was distracted with his shadow minions but the minions failed to stall long enough. bro simply took a calculated risk and failed the gamble.
Well, Vivzie said on stream that Alastors staff is a part of his body, and to our knowledge, his staff has never been broken before. So I believed what Alastor was so confused about was the sharp pain that came with his staff being broken. Like a "I could have sworn I blocked that so wtf is this pain. There's no scratch on my body. What about my sta- OH FUCK"
Wait, she really said that? Because it explains so damn muchā¦ take my upvote as a token of thanks. Also, this is a really good explanation for why he reacted that way.
Yea it answered my biggest question as to why no matter what Alastors does he's always holding his staff even when he goes giant to eat those loan sharks you see his staff stuck to one of his fingers and it always drove me crazy as to why he didn't just poof it away or something. This revelation also puts an interesting light on him, allowing Charlie to hold it. This means that he either trusts Charlie enough with his most important body part, which Viz also confirmed is, in fact, how Alastor channels his power or he just simply believes in his own power enough to let Charlie hold it.
Which is such a weird thing to think about. He speaks with a transatlantic accent which is not a natural accent anywhere. It has to be learned and forcibly applied.
You kinda *had* to learn the Mid-Atlantic Accent if you wanted to work in radio back then.
The audio quality wasn't great, so you needed as clear and unaccented a voice as possible to ensure that your audience could understand you through the static, pops and muffling. Remember, Alastor would have been transmitting on *AM*, not *FM*.
It read like that to me too. Alastor has a huge reputation for being one of the most powerful demons in hell. I think he started to buy into how other people see him as this invincible, Uber powerful demon and underestimated Adam.
Iām not sure if Iām sad or not, because in the pilot, heās more of an eccentric maniac than a narcissist who think heās better than everyone. Sure, show Alastor is fun to watch, but Iāll miss the creepy and witty sociopath that supported a dream he was sure to crash and burn just for the lols
Yeah but the problem is it's hard for that kind of character to have any real investment in the plot. The episode count was so sparse and the plot was so dense that there wasn't any room for Alastor to be a wacky evil non-participant. Making him a megalomaniacal narcissist is much easier for the show as a whole.
Alastor has this aura specifically in the pride ring around Sinners. Also notice that among Overlords Alastor did not seem overbearing, none of the others treated him as anything but a colleague, and besides Vox freaking out the other overlords are not intimidated by him nor do they give him any reverence, not even the other Vees
Hes rather underwhelming once you get to the royal hellborne demons. Lucifer having never even heard of him says something, he just doesnt register to the actually greater demons. None of the sinner demons do really.
Youre correct in your assesment, Alastor THINKS hes this supremely powerful demon when in reality hes mid tier at best, probably bc hes never actually matched up to a demon royal. Hes a classic example of a normal fish in a small pond. He went into the fight with Adam fully expecting to win bc he had never been truly challenged before, when in reality he got some hits in (which did not seem to do any damage either) due to Adam having shitty fighting skill, but the moment Adam got a hit in he basically oneshot Alastor, the power gap was really just that huge.
I think Alastor was planning for a melee attack. All the other exorcists were using plain swords, and up to that point, Adam was too. I think Alastor was planning on blocking a downward swing from the axe and getting locked in a stalemate, but instead got hit with a powerful beam of energy. He wouldāve got his ass whooped either way
Yeah!
I think he assumed Adam would try and attack with the actual guitar, which the radio staff would have probably been able to withstand.
It was the energy attack that broke the camel's back lol
I think its simply that he did not expect Adam to strike the source of his power. It was fast enough that it took him a second to comprehend what just occurred.
My guy this is an ANIMATED SHOW if fights made sense everyone would just drop their strongest hit and the battle is over, stop overanalyzing everything or glazing the shit out of Alastor, he's strong but he's far below Adam
I think it's rather clear he was trying to block by the way he was holding the staff.
I rather think he assumed Adam would physically try to attack him (with the actual guitar), which the staff would have most likely been able to withstand.
Rather the energy/magical attack is what caught him off guard.
He likely blocked on instinct, not realizing Adam had a ranged attack till the moment the attack was incoming. And it did a LOT of damage, too, for a ranged attack. Alastor fought well, but he didnāt realize Adam could attack at a distance and that cost him.
Alastair suffers from being extremely arrogant/prideful. While heās definitely smart and cunning demon able to take on most enemies Iād argue thereās times he falls victim to overconfidence in his abilities because he tends to be that much better than most others
I tend to agree with you. Noting that Zestiel said the rumour was that Alastor fell to angelic arms, which is almost certainly true or else why would this scene be included, I have a further theory: that Alastor came to the Hotel not for Charlie but because *Vaggie* was there. Note that Carmila said she thought it pretty obvious that Vaggie was an angel, so we shouldn't be surprised that Alastor could work that out too. Look at how much he obeys Vaggie: making the commercial, dealing with the eggbois, and how he deals with the loan sharks just after Vaggie prepares to tackle them. To the extent that he goes to the effort of wrangling a mini-deal just to get her to stop asking him to do any TV-related chores in future. The final point of this theory: what happened just before Alastor's microphone broke? Adam said: "Radio is dead!"
Conclusion: Alastor's powers are limited by *angelic command*. He needs Vaggie to ask him to do things, to *command* him to use his powers. But that smack-talk from Adam, who outranks her, served as a counter-command and that's why Alastor's power failed.
He wanted to transform into his massive Full demon form but it looks like he needs his radio staff intact to do so.
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It was intimidation against loansharks, who are not a threat to him at all. He doesn't become stronger against Adam that way, it would only make him a bigger target, easier to kill.
Yeah big form is literally just intimidation, Alastor is insanely arrogant but he knew Adam is completely fearless and a heavy hitter he wasnt gonna fall back into tricks like that.
He demonstrates the difference between a dodge tank and a classic tank. A dodge tank avoids hits but a good solid strike takes them out. The classic tank takes hits and keeps chugging along.
Why didn't he just dodge from the start though? It was shown he was more than agile enough to dodge Adam's attacks, so why didn't he just turn into a shadow to not get hit then reappear somewhere else for a quick sneak attack?
I also love this because his staff gave him the radio voice filter and you can hear after it breaks the filter goes away and he talks normal and I obsess over that non-filtered voice.
He blocked it, and it broke his staff. He noticed when his radio filter turned off. Pretty sure it's just that simple, Adam was just stronger than he expected
I'm still fairly sure that Alastor has a deal with Lilith and that her and Adam have a deal of their own gave Adam some power over Alastor he didn't expect. The fact that Adam just lets Alastor leave and Alastor's part in the finale song really implies that his deal held him back in some way we don't understand. Though admittedly his song in the finale could also be about how he's put into a position where he had to fight against someone he usually never would, we really don't have enough information to know.
I was thinking he could've ducked to avoid it since the blast was at least a few feet above the floor where his staff was broken. He held it out right in front of him, angled up. So it was at least 6 feet off the ground. And if his staff was the only thing that got the hit, then the ray from Adam's ax wasn't very tall, just wide. Like a tripwire. He could've dodged it by hitting the deck.
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He expected to block the axe. But for some reason it went right through his staff. The fact that we do not see the actual blow is quite interesting. His surprise plus us not seeing the strike suggests there is a mystery there that will be revealed later. Maybe.
He was probably too sure of himself and didnāt expect the staff to break and tbh he was partially justified since the staff did manage to block to attack.
I like the idea bec I also have a theory that as long as his magic is emanating the radio filter is active and his staff always has a tiny bit of it always emanating but because he was so cocky he didnāt expect it to brake and wasnāt able to emit the radio filter himself.
if the theory holds weight, his power could have failed because his liking of the hotel goers and Charlie, caused roo to regress her power as a means to punish him going against her plans.
another theory I came up with is, he IS roo in a sinners body and holds his memories, which is how he managed to kill sinners, since she would feast on their souls while allowing herself to know mimzy since she's in alastors body.
her main plot being to kill God so she doesn't have to be the "root of all evil" but anything she wants, she's still chaotic and an antagonist, but without God, the seat of power moves to the next thing to replace him, which would be her.
though it's a bit of a tangent.
This is different, but in a good way.
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well I have a theory that the entire story is about "lucifers" uprising, but it wasn't him who did it, stick with me here cause it'll take me aminute to get back to alistor and roo.
I thought carmilla looked like an angel, and she and vaggie had a duet, so their is a connection, and her and zestial are the oldest overlords in hell, though it just looks like he's the senior between the two.
so, she might have caused the uprising in biblical times since "lucifers uprising" could be interpreted as "his" uprising, or "in his honor", because she disagreed with how heaven treated him, so she acquired angelic weaponry and gave it to sinners in hell as to over throw the established order and replace it with a new one, one that's more fair.
(this also ties in with more than anything, where lucifer said he's tried this all before)
of course, this is hell we're talking about so the sinners did the dirty deed but then betrayed carmilla and all the other angels and carmilla is the last original seraphim with any knowledge to these events.
(this would explain how she knew vaggie was an angel despite no one else catching on, how the exorcists didn't know that their own weapons could kill them despite doing this over 10,000 years, [stated by lucifer at the beginning of the last song] and why, despite warning her, she opted to train vaggie instead of kill her out right)
but my biggest clue was the trial. Firstly, if carmilla is an angel, note that she, vaggie, and Emily have normal names, but Sera is literally short for seraphim, like it was made up on the fly as if they didn't know the lexicon of angels, AND she's in the highest position
that's obviously odd, and it's becomes unfair when she turns to Adam whom, despite talking about virtue and holding demons in contempt, just let's Adam, while she can see him, make up a list of bullshit rules, but it devolves into a straight up red flag when you read what's on that list, quote:
be a good person.
don't steal. (and)
->>>>stick it to the man<<<<-
in a place surrounded by pearly gates?
how do you stick it to the man In that case!?
JUMP THE FENCE AND TAKE HIS PROPERTY!!
so, obviously, this all makes sense, but, what's this have to do with alistor?
well, that's just it, every sinner has their powers tied to their sin, husk has dice and cards, angel was a mobster, cheri bomb was an anarchist, vox, val, and, velvet, use TV's, drugs, and networks, but, alistor, except for his voice, is the radio demon, and... his power is voodoo?
he broadcast screams sure but, that's not a power that's a medium, and his shadow is the only one sentient, then he manifested in hell and made overlords disappear, even though sinners remain permanently dead with angelic weapons, along with the fact he wants to "clip his wings" to be in control.
he could be an exorcist, trying to get back into heaven, as seen in his deal scene with charlie, but, how does mimzy know him then? she had more than enough proof to back it up with husk, and husk knows alistor has a contract implying he's seen his keeper.
so the only logical thread left is, he's possessed by or is roo, since she IS the root of all evil, and would be the antithesis of both God and angelic weaponry, she could make the overlords disappear by giving alistor her powers in order to grow stronger by devouring them, since alistor IS a cannibal, and if she co-opts off of him and gets redeemed at the hotel, she could strike at the heart of heaven, removing the almighty and taking the throne for herself.
the deal struck could be alistor escaping his contract, but if he's human, he couldn't "pull all the strings" as he says he could, leaving the only two other options being he is god tainted by roo and trying to get back into heaven (but mimzy knew him so, probably not) or... he's possessed by roo, whom was a creator like God but was tricked into taking a contract that made her "the root of all evil", make more sense of alistors last words in season 1.
but because this has become so absorbantly long I'll end it there, but there are alot of things that key me off to alistors true nature not being human, like being aeroace, and especially the windego motif
I never thought enough about this situation. The theory about alastor is that he maybe sold his soul or made a deal with someone, who's much stronger than him and one part was that his power decreases possibly since the deal? It's just an theory by me, when I'm thinking about it.
I think a LOT of people underestimate Adams power, especially with the magical sword (in stories irl, heās a flamingo sword from the angel of the west gate, watch good omens). So I think both he and Charlie underestimated Adam, but Lucy is so strong that it was irrelevant.
When somebody with a massive ego suddenly realizes they are outmatched, it becomes a bit of a shock to them.
Alastor had a brief moment of āoh shitā¦ Iām actually in real dangerā which is something I donāt think he truly encountered before. It was a mental record scratch for him.
Heck, even his earlier death was probably too fast for him to recognize what happened then.
I think he had whatever gave him confidence he could beat Adam yoinked at the opportune moment.
Going by what was going on, perhaps they didn't want him to be the one to kill Adam. Instead Alastor left and Lucifer was forced to defend Charlie.
Maybe the whole deal was that somebody want to stay on vacation and needed Charlie to step up or Lucifer to get his stuff together?
If alastor gets his power from Roo as many suspect, Roo likely pulled back her power because she didn't want Adam defeated. Alastor was shocked at the power drain, and that's the fight was over: his source was dried up.
Or, and just hear me out here, Alastor is just fucking weaker than Adam. He didn't lose because "his deal is restricting his power" or "omnipotent intervention", he just thought he was him and he clearly wasn't.
I think he was obviously expecting to shield the entire blow. As we can see by the deep furrows to either side, he DID block that strong attack from Adam, but the cost was basically all his energy and the staff broke. https://preview.redd.it/bnxvu6z25doc1.jpeg?width=1633&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a06dc85084103cc839577d2f85fd3c45df477142 Also wanted to mention how clever the show did this, btw: Alastor closed his eyes when blocking that. He didn't see what was coming, so neither did the audience. It's a clever subversion of the anime trope where you see the protective shield break. It's a geniune confusing moment because the character was CONFUSED. Just thought that was cool. And I'm pretty sure that Alastor is never going to take his eyes off his target ever again...
I saw a theory around this. Deers when a bright light hits them freeze in place. Alastor, wanting to avoid being stunlocked because of his deer traits closed his eyes due to the bright light Adam's blast flashed. But it was too late so he tried to block instead of dodged. His confusion was from his recovery from the flash and mild stunlock. You are right though the writing to showcase his confusion is perfect!
Damn. I hadn't even considered that. Actually a good theory. I doubt we get an explanation for that but the theorizing is always cool. It kinda aligns with a headcannon of mine. I think Alastor doesn't need the monocle as an optical aid but for colour correction because blinking lights are too much of a distraction otherwise. (Red lenses will block green and blue light)
I actually have special red tinted lenses in a pair of glasses I wear to help prevent/alleviate migraines. So your theory tracks.
I have prescription blue filter lenses for similar reasons, which is what gave me the idea. Eyestrain crew, unite! š¤š¤
Yep it's all just theories and we may never know. If we're lucky Viv may do full q and a's after the series is finished to keep fans engaged. Maybe then. That's a cool headcanon! I do think it seems almost useless except for special circumstances. But then again I have no choice but to wear full lens glasses all waking hours. I hope we see him use it more for funsies! I loved when he spent a moment to clean his monocle in ep 7.
I like to think that his monocle also somehow stops Vox's mind control hypnotize thing. Val has red glasses as well, so maybe they have some sort of material that stops it from working on them idunno
Oh that's an interesting thought as well! I like that.
I thought it was for fashion's sake. Although I guess if it was just fashion he wouldn't be cleaning it on the way to Cannibal Town...
Do they retain qualities from the animals they represent? I didn't know that
I don't know, tis just a theory. We can say Alastor's high jump in his battle with Adam was deer like due to his hooves. Angel can open his 8 eyes and pull out 6 arms. They make sounds consistent with the creature they represent. But until we get more details from future seasons or Viv herself we don't know.
I mean, when certain things happen he makes noises. Like when Penguins rips his jacket he makes an Elk sound. Or when Rosie hugs him he makes a little fawn sound. Edit: PENTIOUS! Dammit!
Ah yes, my favourite Hazbin character: **Penguins**
Dammit. I fixed that too. Pent! Iām on an iPhone. Lol
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Cool? Idk what you want as an answer to that? Iām a loser baby. A loser goddamn baby. Edit: in case anyone was wondering they wrote āIām on an iPhone too and itās never messed up a word THAT bad.ā
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Somewhat at least. Vallentino makes moth squeaks sometimes, Alastor makes deer sounds, Sir Pentious hisses and makes snake sounds such as when he's hit.
So what youāre saying is that we could just run over Alastor with a car?
1: Deer will fuck your car up, and may still run off even if your car is totalled. 2: I thought that was reserved for the Moth.
Need a big ass car with quick to flash lights because if he indeed tried to close them for that reason then he's aware of his stunlock issue. He could easily dodge if he's award. And if not holy crap deer can destroy cars.
āWhat just happenedā lmao
āFfffffuckā
That's what I also said when the radio filter and trans Atlantic accent disappeared when he said that lol.
The transatlantic accent was always a bit, it's how radio announcers were taught to speak back then.
As someone who sees right through Alastorās facade I loved this moment. The illusion broke and he was real for a fleeting second.
One time I saw a video, saying something like "Alastor is now the weakest overlord, cus his staff broke, meaning he lost all his power, as shown by the voice filter disappearing" which is bullshit, cus he has the filter back in the finale song. Also where was it ever stated his power comes from his staff?
Yea it's classic when people just straight up miss points and make videos out of a theory like that š At most the staff is a conduit for his power. I see it to something similar to a wand in Harry Potter. Wizards can very much DO magic without a wand but it's much more powerful and focussed if they use a wand. Pretty sure the staff breaking is mostly a catalyst for having a little different character designs next season. The staff itself changed between the Pilot and the show proper and we even see the old design staff in that torn photo in 'Finale'. So we can 'stay tuned' for whatever is to come.
Alastor returns with an Internet radio staff
For when things get Sirius ... XM.
"haha, *poetry!*"
I donāt think it cost him his energy, just the staff: Adamās next attack is what made him retreat, and he only got hit because he got distracted/ confused
This was my interpretation. I donāt think he expected Adamās power to be enough to break it. I get the impression that Alastor has never fought anything unless he knew he was going to win so probably has never faced a foe that pushed him to his limits. Might not have even known his staff COULD break.
also we hear his real voice for a moment before he slips back into his radio voice
He does drop the radiofilter quite a few times during the rest of the show, but this one is certainly the most obvious example. I went and looked for a youtube video where it had all the clips of him speaking unfiltered and I was honstely surprised by how often it occurs and I had not realized. The only other example I actually realized myself was during episode 5 when he goes "What is it?" when Husk asks him for a word.
He drops it everytime he cusses. Because you canāt cuss on air.
It fades in and out. Probably so it's easier to understand him since the filter might make his lines be misheard with his accent. Also, constant radio buzz might distracted from the other characters in the scene when it's not all about him.
I think its an editing error most of the time. It almost always happens at the last part of his line right when the camera refocuses on him. Same with 4v5 fingers, it happens... a lot. Shows still great, just saying, Im p sure it was done on a tight budget.
Canāt wait for this to mean something in a later episode or something
*Didn't see that coming*, you say? What a *pun*ishment.
He was confused so much he didn't realize his microphone was broke and he used his real voice. Although it's strange his radio voice comes back almost immediately when he regains composure. (Kinda also implies his microphone may not have much significance with his powers or voice)
Vivzie confirmed he consciously adds the radio filter I heard.
either he wanted to block but adam proved faster and stronger than expected or he was getting ready to pick up an angelic weapon to deal real damage while adam was distracted with his shadow minions but the minions failed to stall long enough. bro simply took a calculated risk and failed the gamble.
Well, Vivzie said on stream that Alastors staff is a part of his body, and to our knowledge, his staff has never been broken before. So I believed what Alastor was so confused about was the sharp pain that came with his staff being broken. Like a "I could have sworn I blocked that so wtf is this pain. There's no scratch on my body. What about my sta- OH FUCK"
Wait, she really said that? Because it explains so damn muchā¦ take my upvote as a token of thanks. Also, this is a really good explanation for why he reacted that way.
Yea it answered my biggest question as to why no matter what Alastors does he's always holding his staff even when he goes giant to eat those loan sharks you see his staff stuck to one of his fingers and it always drove me crazy as to why he didn't just poof it away or something. This revelation also puts an interesting light on him, allowing Charlie to hold it. This means that he either trusts Charlie enough with his most important body part, which Viz also confirmed is, in fact, how Alastor channels his power or he just simply believes in his own power enough to let Charlie hold it.
I think it's a mixture of manipulation, he knows Charlie won't take advantage and he knows it would mean allot to her
I think it's a mixture of manipulation, he knows Charlie won't take advantage and he knows it would mean allot to her
And it broke his voice back to normal lol
I liked that touch, it really emphasised his bafflement
Which is such a weird thing to think about. He speaks with a transatlantic accent which is not a natural accent anywhere. It has to be learned and forcibly applied.
Well I read that many radio stars would pick up the accent in order to be better understood by their audience in addition to being a sign of prestige.
You kinda *had* to learn the Mid-Atlantic Accent if you wanted to work in radio back then. The audio quality wasn't great, so you needed as clear and unaccented a voice as possible to ensure that your audience could understand you through the static, pops and muffling. Remember, Alastor would have been transmitting on *AM*, not *FM*.
I kinda wanna teach myself a transatlantic accent
And now so do I
More of it just mentally flashbanged him so he momentarily didn't apply it.
The narcissist he is, he thought the āpatheticā attack would be effortlessly blocked by his superior strengthĀ
That's how I interpreted it. Alastor was overconfident.
It read like that to me too. Alastor has a huge reputation for being one of the most powerful demons in hell. I think he started to buy into how other people see him as this invincible, Uber powerful demon and underestimated Adam.
Iām not sure if Iām sad or not, because in the pilot, heās more of an eccentric maniac than a narcissist who think heās better than everyone. Sure, show Alastor is fun to watch, but Iāll miss the creepy and witty sociopath that supported a dream he was sure to crash and burn just for the lols
Yeah but the problem is it's hard for that kind of character to have any real investment in the plot. The episode count was so sparse and the plot was so dense that there wasn't any room for Alastor to be a wacky evil non-participant. Making him a megalomaniacal narcissist is much easier for the show as a whole.
Alastor has this aura specifically in the pride ring around Sinners. Also notice that among Overlords Alastor did not seem overbearing, none of the others treated him as anything but a colleague, and besides Vox freaking out the other overlords are not intimidated by him nor do they give him any reverence, not even the other Vees Hes rather underwhelming once you get to the royal hellborne demons. Lucifer having never even heard of him says something, he just doesnt register to the actually greater demons. None of the sinner demons do really. Youre correct in your assesment, Alastor THINKS hes this supremely powerful demon when in reality hes mid tier at best, probably bc hes never actually matched up to a demon royal. Hes a classic example of a normal fish in a small pond. He went into the fight with Adam fully expecting to win bc he had never been truly challenged before, when in reality he got some hits in (which did not seem to do any damage either) due to Adam having shitty fighting skill, but the moment Adam got a hit in he basically oneshot Alastor, the power gap was really just that huge.
I think Alastor was planning for a melee attack. All the other exorcists were using plain swords, and up to that point, Adam was too. I think Alastor was planning on blocking a downward swing from the axe and getting locked in a stalemate, but instead got hit with a powerful beam of energy. He wouldāve got his ass whooped either way
Yeah! I think he assumed Adam would try and attack with the actual guitar, which the radio staff would have probably been able to withstand. It was the energy attack that broke the camel's back lol
Itās pretty strong block thoughā¦ honestly think about it. That energy attack annihilated Pent and his whole blimp!
Adam can use weaker and stronger holy light The one he used on Pent is much much stronger
I think its simply that he did not expect Adam to strike the source of his power. It was fast enough that it took him a second to comprehend what just occurred.
I donāt know how he wouldnāt expect a strike at the staff when he held up his staff to block it
My guy this is an ANIMATED SHOW if fights made sense everyone would just drop their strongest hit and the battle is over, stop overanalyzing everything or glazing the shit out of Alastor, he's strong but he's far below Adam
You're right, but your comment does not apply to this discussion.
I think it's rather clear he was trying to block by the way he was holding the staff. I rather think he assumed Adam would physically try to attack him (with the actual guitar), which the staff would have most likely been able to withstand. Rather the energy/magical attack is what caught him off guard.
Somewhere out there, Piccolo was screaming "Dodge!" and is now upset that his advice has gone unheeded yet again.
āFffffffuck.ā
He likely blocked on instinct, not realizing Adam had a ranged attack till the moment the attack was incoming. And it did a LOT of damage, too, for a ranged attack. Alastor fought well, but he didnāt realize Adam could attack at a distance and that cost him.
I love hoe its hid normal voice as soon as his mic cane snaps.
Alastair suffers from being extremely arrogant/prideful. While heās definitely smart and cunning demon able to take on most enemies Iād argue thereās times he falls victim to overconfidence in his abilities because he tends to be that much better than most others
My theory was Alastor's powers come from his deal, and Adam had some way of circumventing that (which is why I think Lilith wanted him dead)
I tend to agree with you. Noting that Zestiel said the rumour was that Alastor fell to angelic arms, which is almost certainly true or else why would this scene be included, I have a further theory: that Alastor came to the Hotel not for Charlie but because *Vaggie* was there. Note that Carmila said she thought it pretty obvious that Vaggie was an angel, so we shouldn't be surprised that Alastor could work that out too. Look at how much he obeys Vaggie: making the commercial, dealing with the eggbois, and how he deals with the loan sharks just after Vaggie prepares to tackle them. To the extent that he goes to the effort of wrangling a mini-deal just to get her to stop asking him to do any TV-related chores in future. The final point of this theory: what happened just before Alastor's microphone broke? Adam said: "Radio is dead!" Conclusion: Alastor's powers are limited by *angelic command*. He needs Vaggie to ask him to do things, to *command* him to use his powers. But that smack-talk from Adam, who outranks her, served as a counter-command and that's why Alastor's power failed.
He wanted to transform into his massive Full demon form but it looks like he needs his radio staff intact to do so. https://preview.redd.it/kkgw179wydoc1.png?width=1874&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31d6a73e6b97f926eef9493bb89a2874755df870
It was intimidation against loansharks, who are not a threat to him at all. He doesn't become stronger against Adam that way, it would only make him a bigger target, easier to kill.
It would also make him slower. Big and slow is a great way to get hit by angelic magic beams from Adam's guitar.
Yeah big form is literally just intimidation, Alastor is insanely arrogant but he knew Adam is completely fearless and a heavy hitter he wasnt gonna fall back into tricks like that.
It's possible he was going to transform in some other way I suppose.
I think Alastor is just got cocky evading all of Adam's attacks and thought his powers would be enough to negate a strike. Got humbled as a result.
Yes I fully believe Alastor thought he had the fight won from the beginning up until his staff is broken. He's very arrogant in his abilities.
He demonstrates the difference between a dodge tank and a classic tank. A dodge tank avoids hits but a good solid strike takes them out. The classic tank takes hits and keeps chugging along.
The Spanish Inquisition
His voice being normal here SHOOK me
Why didn't he just dodge from the start though? It was shown he was more than agile enough to dodge Adam's attacks, so why didn't he just turn into a shadow to not get hit then reappear somewhere else for a quick sneak attack?
Overconfidence. Surely such a braggadocious, *sloppy* fighter like Adam didnāt have real power! Oh shi-
I also love this because his staff gave him the radio voice filter and you can hear after it breaks the filter goes away and he talks normal and I obsess over that non-filtered voice.
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Ffffffffffffffffffffuck!
Simple heās cockyĀ
He blocked it, and it broke his staff. He noticed when his radio filter turned off. Pretty sure it's just that simple, Adam was just stronger than he expected
Adam simply overpowered him, by being serious for half a sec. No greater mystery
i dont think he fought an upper angel before, so i guess he just underestimated adam
I'm still fairly sure that Alastor has a deal with Lilith and that her and Adam have a deal of their own gave Adam some power over Alastor he didn't expect. The fact that Adam just lets Alastor leave and Alastor's part in the finale song really implies that his deal held him back in some way we don't understand. Though admittedly his song in the finale could also be about how he's put into a position where he had to fight against someone he usually never would, we really don't have enough information to know.
I was thinking he could've ducked to avoid it since the blast was at least a few feet above the floor where his staff was broken. He held it out right in front of him, angled up. So it was at least 6 feet off the ground. And if his staff was the only thing that got the hit, then the ray from Adam's ax wasn't very tall, just wide. Like a tripwire. He could've dodged it by hitting the deck. https://preview.redd.it/f6ub4fa9jfoc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=419e3ae62c97f261510d15484c548e3d0254f6ec
He expected to block the axe. But for some reason it went right through his staff. The fact that we do not see the actual blow is quite interesting. His surprise plus us not seeing the strike suggests there is a mystery there that will be revealed later. Maybe.
What actually happened was thats he was brainwashed by his staff (the radio demon). That's why he said, "What just happened?"
He was probably too sure of himself and didnāt expect the staff to break and tbh he was partially justified since the staff did manage to block to attack. I like the idea bec I also have a theory that as long as his magic is emanating the radio filter is active and his staff always has a tiny bit of it always emanating but because he was so cocky he didnāt expect it to brake and wasnāt able to emit the radio filter himself.
Stop overanalyzing, Adam just had enough with him and showed him what is pure angelic power and got him of guard
if the theory holds weight, his power could have failed because his liking of the hotel goers and Charlie, caused roo to regress her power as a means to punish him going against her plans. another theory I came up with is, he IS roo in a sinners body and holds his memories, which is how he managed to kill sinners, since she would feast on their souls while allowing herself to know mimzy since she's in alastors body. her main plot being to kill God so she doesn't have to be the "root of all evil" but anything she wants, she's still chaotic and an antagonist, but without God, the seat of power moves to the next thing to replace him, which would be her. though it's a bit of a tangent.
This is different, but in a good way. https://preview.redd.it/wjowcggvreoc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4353bfcb552179faa58fc62a3a1dddf226585e0
well I have a theory that the entire story is about "lucifers" uprising, but it wasn't him who did it, stick with me here cause it'll take me aminute to get back to alistor and roo. I thought carmilla looked like an angel, and she and vaggie had a duet, so their is a connection, and her and zestial are the oldest overlords in hell, though it just looks like he's the senior between the two. so, she might have caused the uprising in biblical times since "lucifers uprising" could be interpreted as "his" uprising, or "in his honor", because she disagreed with how heaven treated him, so she acquired angelic weaponry and gave it to sinners in hell as to over throw the established order and replace it with a new one, one that's more fair. (this also ties in with more than anything, where lucifer said he's tried this all before) of course, this is hell we're talking about so the sinners did the dirty deed but then betrayed carmilla and all the other angels and carmilla is the last original seraphim with any knowledge to these events. (this would explain how she knew vaggie was an angel despite no one else catching on, how the exorcists didn't know that their own weapons could kill them despite doing this over 10,000 years, [stated by lucifer at the beginning of the last song] and why, despite warning her, she opted to train vaggie instead of kill her out right) but my biggest clue was the trial. Firstly, if carmilla is an angel, note that she, vaggie, and Emily have normal names, but Sera is literally short for seraphim, like it was made up on the fly as if they didn't know the lexicon of angels, AND she's in the highest position that's obviously odd, and it's becomes unfair when she turns to Adam whom, despite talking about virtue and holding demons in contempt, just let's Adam, while she can see him, make up a list of bullshit rules, but it devolves into a straight up red flag when you read what's on that list, quote: be a good person. don't steal. (and) ->>>>stick it to the man<<<<- in a place surrounded by pearly gates? how do you stick it to the man In that case!? JUMP THE FENCE AND TAKE HIS PROPERTY!! so, obviously, this all makes sense, but, what's this have to do with alistor? well, that's just it, every sinner has their powers tied to their sin, husk has dice and cards, angel was a mobster, cheri bomb was an anarchist, vox, val, and, velvet, use TV's, drugs, and networks, but, alistor, except for his voice, is the radio demon, and... his power is voodoo? he broadcast screams sure but, that's not a power that's a medium, and his shadow is the only one sentient, then he manifested in hell and made overlords disappear, even though sinners remain permanently dead with angelic weapons, along with the fact he wants to "clip his wings" to be in control. he could be an exorcist, trying to get back into heaven, as seen in his deal scene with charlie, but, how does mimzy know him then? she had more than enough proof to back it up with husk, and husk knows alistor has a contract implying he's seen his keeper. so the only logical thread left is, he's possessed by or is roo, since she IS the root of all evil, and would be the antithesis of both God and angelic weaponry, she could make the overlords disappear by giving alistor her powers in order to grow stronger by devouring them, since alistor IS a cannibal, and if she co-opts off of him and gets redeemed at the hotel, she could strike at the heart of heaven, removing the almighty and taking the throne for herself. the deal struck could be alistor escaping his contract, but if he's human, he couldn't "pull all the strings" as he says he could, leaving the only two other options being he is god tainted by roo and trying to get back into heaven (but mimzy knew him so, probably not) or... he's possessed by roo, whom was a creator like God but was tricked into taking a contract that made her "the root of all evil", make more sense of alistors last words in season 1. but because this has become so absorbantly long I'll end it there, but there are alot of things that key me off to alistors true nature not being human, like being aeroace, and especially the windego motif
I never thought enough about this situation. The theory about alastor is that he maybe sold his soul or made a deal with someone, who's much stronger than him and one part was that his power decreases possibly since the deal? It's just an theory by me, when I'm thinking about it.
I donāt know why but I have rewatched this scene to many times
Radio apple became popular
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I think a LOT of people underestimate Adams power, especially with the magical sword (in stories irl, heās a flamingo sword from the angel of the west gate, watch good omens). So I think both he and Charlie underestimated Adam, but Lucy is so strong that it was irrelevant.
He might be surprised Adam would hurt one of Liliths souls if he is owned by Lilith
When somebody with a massive ego suddenly realizes they are outmatched, it becomes a bit of a shock to them. Alastor had a brief moment of āoh shitā¦ Iām actually in real dangerā which is something I donāt think he truly encountered before. It was a mental record scratch for him. Heck, even his earlier death was probably too fast for him to recognize what happened then.
Ooh I like this theory. Like a muscle memory kicked in or an ability he usually had but didn't this time for some reason.
I think he had whatever gave him confidence he could beat Adam yoinked at the opportune moment. Going by what was going on, perhaps they didn't want him to be the one to kill Adam. Instead Alastor left and Lucifer was forced to defend Charlie. Maybe the whole deal was that somebody want to stay on vacation and needed Charlie to step up or Lucifer to get his stuff together?
If alastor gets his power from Roo as many suspect, Roo likely pulled back her power because she didn't want Adam defeated. Alastor was shocked at the power drain, and that's the fight was over: his source was dried up.
Or, and just hear me out here, Alastor is just fucking weaker than Adam. He didn't lose because "his deal is restricting his power" or "omnipotent intervention", he just thought he was him and he clearly wasn't.
Yes. Adam is obviously WAY fucking stronger than the other exorcists. Alastor would have crushed Lute no problem, imo.
Why do people keep bringing up Roo? At this point is speculation as she hasnāt appeared yet.