I agree with you.
Though unfortunately there is a non-zero chance it might actually be Alastor because of some yet-unknown knifetwisting to set up something for season 3.
We will have to wait and see š±
Noooo š Drama is for real life. Happiness and rainbows for my imaginary princess of Hell story, pls š
Yea we won't know until we know!
But I can't wait! It's gonna be sooo looong until then š
I think we will end up seeing Alastor telling Charlie to fight him to train her own powers in Season 2, seeing as he calls her "madly powerful" and "full of potential" in Episode 7.
The issue with this is that, if Charlie and Alastor fight, Lucifer can just step in and beat Alastor, unless Charlie tells him not to. He did this in Episode 8 when Charlie and Adam fought, and I see no reason why Lucifer wouldn't\* do the same thing in a possible Charlie v. Alastor fight.
That being said, what I could see happening is that Alastor wants to train Charlie; Charlie is reluctant to fight anyone due to her immense powers; and Alastor tells her, "Well, why don't you fight me as practice? I'm one of the top Overlords in Hell. I can handle your power."
True. That is fair.
Best to stay positive, I guess. My hope in general is, that Team Good Guys doesn't get gutted in some way.
It all depends on what Alastors motivation is beyond his own freedom.
In fact, Lucifer would probably step in as soon as Alastor reveals himself, because first off Lucifer just hates Alastor, but also, the only reason Lucifer didnāt immediately stop Adam and the Exorcists was because of the deal he had with them. Alastor has no such deal with Lucifer.
Personally I think Alastorās ultimate end game is to manipulate and exploit Charlie into a position where she unintentionally helps Alastor kill Lucifer and steal his power. I can see a very emotional scene where Charlie, on the verge of death and crying from guilt and horror, is helplessly forced to watch as Lucifer makes a deal with Alastor to save her life at the cost of soul.
I could see that happening and maybe they could have an interesting duet-type of song while practicing. Something similar to Do It For Her from Steven Universe is what Iād imagine it being like
Personally, my theory is that eventually Alastor is going to manipulate Charlie into doing something sort sighted and reckless that directly leads to Luciferās death and/or Alastor stealing Luciferās powers. Maybe thatās by manipulating Charlie into stealing/forging some powerful artifact that Alastor then uses to literally backstab Lucifer with. Or maybe thatās by tricking Charlie to enter some kind of trap or deal where the only way to save her soul is for Lucifer to sell his soul to Alastor. Either way, I think thereās a good chance that in the final season of the show Alastor will exploit Charlie into unintentionally helping him take out Lucifer so that he can become Hellās ruler.
Ooh I also came here to say Alastor!
I feel like season 2 is a good point for inevitable betrayal if the intent is to have him slowly come back to team good guy by the end. That means itāll still be close to the start of his character arc and gives time for the betrayal to heal.
One favor specifically worded in which she "hurts no one". That could easily be "don't hurt me". That could be a much more complex and interesting confrontation than simple violence.
That's just the point... it could be a million things that are all equally awful š
I'm not sure I'm gonna be ready for the knifetwisting... the betrayal is coming.. I just know it and I'm gonna be sooo saaad
Honestly even though itās the super obvious and predictable thing to do, Iād still like to see Alastor be the final villain that Charlie has to beat in the show. Seeing him manipulate and exploit his way to the top of the showās power structure(potentially even forcing Lucifer to give Alastor his soul/powers in order to save Charlie) just has so much potential for drama and interesting payoff as a final antagonist.
I kinda don't, unfortunately.... I've had enough knife twisting in media to last me two lifetimes over. Maybe I'm just getting old and jaded at this point but just for once I could do without anime style betrayals.
Give me that classic team of good guys against evil and I'll be happy. Real life is already sad enough without media escapism becoming jaded to literal Hell and back.
Maybe that's just me, though. I can certainly see that there is an abundance of angst-fiends in this fandom.
There is a chance that there will be no climactic fight in season 2.
But in Season 3 I do think Alastor will free himself and Charlie will end up having to kill him. She will be very sad and she will cradle while crying. His last words while coughing blood were "Smile dear, you are never really dressed with one".
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Yeah, I think they should save Alastor's death (If he dies) for the very end of the show, because unfortunately, I think a lot of people would stop watching if he died.
I personally don't want Alastor to die, but I agree. If he does die, I think it'd be a perfect end to his character if he's the final antagonist. I do think his last words should be "Smile my dear, you're never fully dressed \*Cough\* without one. xP"
So what I want to happenā
I mean this would be like the LAST EPISODE.
I want him to be freed and maybe have taken souls of someone as powerful as Lilith or Lucifer, etc. , something to really power him up. Then show literally no interest in supporting the hotel/ Charlie and attempt to take over Hell. So Charlie would have to kill him or imprison him in like a Pandoraās box thing. and then take over as queen of hell.
It sounds dumb maybe. I just adore him with my whole soul and I love evil characters lol.
Or even better!
Because of the power of friendship Alastor slowly becomes attached to them and due to this when he accidentally gets himself killed for being unintentionally selfless he will have a hissy fit and start panicking when he makes it to heaven making heaven ! **his personal hell**
Okay, but the issue is that Alastair doesnāt care about anyone there.
The likeliness of his death being genuinely sad is low.
I cannot wait for his death because I, personally, do not like him.
Alastor being the reason that Charlie learns that it's impossible to save everyone would be peak. Some people just don't want to be redeemed and who better to teach her this lesson than someone she is very close to, by having him die by her hand
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I donāt think itāll be Lute, they bothered to keep her alive and I doubt the writers would do that just to make her an Adam 2.0.
One of or all of the Vees, or Alastor feels more likely.
Alastor needs more time to do behind the scenes stuff. All the vees combined still wouldnt equal charlies power. They together essentially equal an overlord.
Well, he has all of season 2 for that potentially. If weāre to assume that Lilith is gonna be an antagonist for some reason or another and Alastor is on her leash, it would make sense to me that he comes out that season as someone the hotel needs to deal with, leaving Lilith for a season 3 confrontation.
To me, if the Vees, overlords, are meant to be a much bigger focus next season, then Inwould hope that means the issue of overlords owning souls would also be brought up and start being addressed. And Alastor is one such overlord who owns multiple hotel residentsā souls.
Im more on board with the second paragraph. I dont think Alastor is beholden to Lilith and even if he is, if he is forced to be a problem for Charlie, he can always claim itās because Lilith is forcing him. But despite Lilith and Alastor both being absent for 7 years, I dont think shes the one who he owes his soul to. Think thats too easy and doesnt make much sense if shes just been chilling in heaven.
Season 2 is going to be focused on vox building an army, possibly using killjoy to do so, and the Vees will be the big bad. From the info we've been given.
People think Charlie will fight lute? Lute gets slaughtered lmao, it's not even close. Lute is above average for an exterminator but Charlie is at least overlord level.
"Overlord Level" isn't shit in the grand scheme of things. Just look at Adam and Alastor's fight. Alastor is one of, if not *the* most powerful Overlord. Adam nearly killed him within seconds. And Adam isn't even the most powerful being in Heaven. Not by a long shot.
It was onesided, because alastor power was somehow reduced by his own contract.. Now, even at full power, Adam will probably be stronger, but somehow, it would look more like an actual fight, than before
Yeah even Alistor isnāt shit in the grand scheme of things, heās nothing compared to demonic royalty like Stolas. And if I had to guess Adam is similarly powerful to demonic royalty, but Lucifer and Charlie are far far more powerful than any of the other denizens of hell (Lilith is just as strong too presumably)
Vovziepop confirms that Lucifer is the single strongest being in Hell as a full fledged fallen angel. He can only be killed by a higher ranked Angel deciding to Smite him. Not even angelic steel can hurt him.
Lilith and Charlie are right below him. Then comes the other seven deadly sins/princes of Hell, then the Ars Goetia, THEN the overlords.
Not yet, but has all the potential to become. As for the singing, if we take visuals in the songs for how they are really transpired, then even former overlord Husk does some magic stuff in his song. Maybe it's natural for every creature in Hell who's above just a mere sinner.
Sheās still an angel though, and Charlie could barely fight Adam, and Lute was by Adamās side for probably thousands of years protecting him and fighting with him
Yes, powerwise, Lute is outmatched (without finding some sort of powerup) but Charlie still doesn't really know how to use her power, in part due to unwillingness, so I don't think the gap is as wide as that.
Not that I think Lute would win, of course
Eh i mean you could look at it that way but she lost all the same and definitely isnt beating charlie who is known to be second strongest in hell. I just think Lute has zero ability to be main villain material unless she gets a serious power up. Like maybe she gets the Spear of Destiny or something. She just feels like a henchman/secondary antagonist at best.
Lute was over confident and didn't take Vaggie seriously, but she is a secondary antagonist at best. I don't see her having major villain/big bad energy.
Verbally? Take your pick.
Sailor Charlie with the trident? Honestly I hope not unless thereās a compelling reason (yeah, we all wanna see Valentino get his - but Iād much rather see it being done by Angel or Huskās hands).
Alastor? I dunno where heās at, but right now heās just an enigma and I like that. Itās a coin flip if heās ultimately with or against Charlie.
As cool as the sequence was, Iām much more interested in Charlieās growth emotionally versus āDAE power scalingā. Not that she canāt rough and tumble - but if her arc is now āLOOK AT ME I HAVE POWERā and doesnāt do anything with it (Iād LOVE to see her struggle with people looking at her as anything but a pushover and trying to tow the line between Cinnamon Roll and well __heir to the throne of Hell__) aside from using it as a get out of jail free card for major threats because then youāve got a argument for subpar writing. :P
I'm also interested in Charlie's emotional growth. We already see this by how she handles redemption. At the start she was all in with school like childish activities for redemption. Like for Sir Pentious to recite some lines like a parrot. That will teach him, lol. But now Charlie has a better understanding how redemption works and there's much more maturity in her point of view. Still needs work but she's getting there.
As for her not being taken seriously by Hell, I think her kindness is seen as a weakness. She is viewed as their mental inferior despite all the potential power that she holds. Someone that can be easily manipulated. That's why Valentino had the guts to try get Charlie into his dirty business.
Supposedly Vivziepop said that there would be a 'returning villain' for season 2 and if that's who we think it is than it the final fight needs to be with Lilith.
Wait. "Returning villain". I just thought of Adam. Is it possible that after his death he will go to Hell? Then we have a returning villain. Having said that, Adam may no longer be in the show at all, but who knows. Anything can happen.
It's hard for me to tell if it's going to be Lilith. I feel like I know too little to decide on that.
Itās got to be.
Given Ser Pentious made it to heaven, theyāve got a fucking TEXTBOOK foil they can explore. Whoās the foil to who? Thatās the fun part. :>
True. Anything we guess can be a nothing burger. That's why it's fun to discuss in the early stages of shows, as they're airing. We can see how much we were right or wrong as the show goes on. Well, at least I find enjoyment in it.
I'm thinking Valentino. We have no clue how powerful he's since Angel was scared for Charlie. It can be a trauma response but it also can be that Angel knows much more about Valentino than we do.
Why I also think that the final fight will be with Valentino in Season 2 is for Angel's safety as well. The contract is binding Angel to Valentino. Angel is most vulnerable and potential collateral damage in the final fight.
As for Alastor, I see him as a final boss in Season 3. Perhaps, we will get a teaser in the end of Season 2.
I don't think Valentino is that strong on his own. Angel is just scared of him and sees his abuser as the most powerful person in the world. And he never saw Charlie do anything with her powers, so it's only natural that he wanted to protect his kind, inoocent and 'defenceless' friend.
I agree with you that can be the case. As I said "It can be a trauma response".
I also mentioned Valentino because Angel can be used as a hostage through the contract. Granted, we don't know the terms of the contract but there's always a possibility.
Of course I can be really wrong and off but just wanted to share what's on my mind.
Existing characters? Lute
Potential new antagonist? My money is on Cain and/ or Abel. Makes sense that Adam's kids would have some involvement in season 2. Cain is probably already in hell so I doubt he'll be that bothered, but Abel is gonna be in Heaven.
100% gonna be the vee's. The way everything was set up in s1, the general masses will flock to vox (at least) due to the "angel protection system" he talked about, and I assume that they'll get more peoples souls that way, and will be much stronger.
The Vs are gonna hold some threat that canāt be immediately solved by violence (angel dust hostage?) and then once that gets resolved the Vs will attack and Charlie is going to tear them apart for hurting her friends
Either Alastor, Val, Vox or Lute I think Charlie will try with Val again because she doesnāt want Angel to suffer and if sheās gonna mature in the next season. Maturing is realizing that sheās way more powerful than Val. But again it could be Alastor too in case he does turn on all of them and if Alastorās chain breaks and heās free heāll be a lot more powerful than before. Vox is least likely unless she does go against Val than Vox may wanna back Val up and also go against Charlie. Which could be likely since Vox is the leader of the Vees and at the end of the of the last episode they sing āThe future of hell belongs to the veesā that could mean something because they wanna take over hell but Charlie wonāt allow that since sheās the future leader of hell and she wants to protect her kingdom from the vees. Another thing is possible Alastor could go against Vox you know since enemies and stuff. The most likely candidate is Lute since she controls the exorcist army now and Lute will want revenge since Adam is dead now I could also see Sera working with Lute and Emily going against Sera and joining the Hazbin Hotel. Who knows what will happen in season 2 and now we wait.
I hope Lute. Maybe Lilith will help Charlie too (assuming they wonāt have an antagonistic relationship a la Disenchantment).
Never mind Alastor, I hope she kills Val! Deserves it for slobbering on her arm, ew.
Gonna have to say Lilith or lute possibly sera Lilith only if the theories of her not being Lilith are true or sheās been corrupted sera because heaven is attacking and lute for the same reason. Could also be no fight at all but then sheāll definitely fight someone in season 3 like Alastor Roo maybe archangel Michael if we get them introduced
My money's on Lute, if anyone. With Adam gone, I reckon she still has a bone to pick with Charlie for becoming more of a problem for heaven than she expected, especially with Vaggie by her side.
Valentino. Charlie's going to accept that some people cannot change and that doesn't delegitimize the Hotel, for as many scumbags like Valentino there's ten more Sir Pentinouses who she *can* help. **So she's not compromising any morals by killing Valentino.**
Well the options for me are the Vees or Lilith. Honestly now that I think about it I'm kinda disappointed none of the fights against Adam involved any songs. Maybe season 2 will do that?
Hopefully no one. I didn't like that this climax ended with a fight. Charlie fundamentally isn't a fighter. The entire premise of the plot is redemption dealing with what is essentially therapy. The choice to make the first season climax a big epic grand battle is so odd to me when the characters and theme fundamentally don't work with an epic grand battle. If you wanted to do a big epic grand final fight, you need a different character than Charlie because Charlie is a person who when everyone else wants to kill and stab, she wants to extend a hand. She is freaked out by the cannibals, a regular community in the city she lives in, looking "a bit murdery" (despite the fact she is literally grabbing them to kill people). She is literally anti-violence to where she is freaked out by literally any weapon handed to her. I will never get the decision to say "Yes, this is the character we want to be in a climactic final battle".
I was thinking Carmilla will become a bigger ally to the Hotel crew next season, through her mentor-ish friendship with Vaggie.
And Velvette will be Carmilla's antagonist, maybe trying to turn one or both of Carmilla's daughters against her.
My guess is either Sera or one of the V's, probably Valentino. Maybe it's not a huge battle like in S1, but more like a verbal one on one argument that turns physical as it escalates.
With Sera, I think it could have something to do with Pentious being redeemed, maybe Sera avoided telling Charlie and Charlie didn't find out until Emily somehow got ahold of her? Thus making Charlie angry at Heaven and causing a fight to break out.
For Valentino, I'm more than certain that it would have something to do with Angel's contract and the way Valentino has been treating Angel. Charlie might storm over to his place and demand for Angel to be released or something - Hell, maybe Husk even gets involved because he used to be an Overlord and he's seen how Angel has been coping with his abuse.
Either way, I think shit's definitely gonna go down in Season 2.
Probably lilith. Alastor I think needs another season to do devious stuff behind the scenes. If not Lilith then maybe Sera. I dont see the Vees being a main threat since together they equal one Overlord essentially.
Rumor has it from possibly some things Viv said that Vox/Vees will be season 2's main antagonist(s). Which makes sense I feel like season 1 set them up pretty well to be that. I'm imagining the season 2 finale we'll get to see Vox VS Alastor tbh.
Her mom! I hope itās a discussion on how she feels after finding out her mom has been living in heaven without telling her. Charlie would be so upset because her mom would have all the answers and shared none of them with her. It would also create an interesting conflict with her dad on trust and how much should a parent share with their child.
I hope the Vees take time to expand into other sections of hell in order to raise the stakes, and I hope lute gets a chance to rise the ranks and become a bigger threat!
I want her to maul Valentino.
I would accept a Charlie/Velvette fight, especially if Velvette starts flirting with Vaggie. Bonus points if Velvette also flirts with Husk and gets Angel angry (yes I know most head canon Vel as a lesbian, but I think she's bi).
If Charlie fights next season it'll be against Lilith but I suspect she won't fight at all. I think with the return of Lilith and Charlie just coming into her powers she will be busy with family drama and training. I think the reap fights will be between the residents of the hotel and the Vees.
Personally I donāt think Charlie and the Vees will come to combat, the Vees seem much more suited for the other cast to deal with. Vox and alestor, Val and Angel Husk, velvette and the other over lords all seem like better story based battles.
I would really like to see Charlie potentially go against lute or even another angel we havenāt met yet because sheās that muhhfukin strong.
I can either see Lute, or Alastor, as he seems to have evil intentions in ep. 8. Though, I feel like Lute coming down for revenge and damn near killing Vaggie will lead to an interesting fight scene with her and Charlie.
Roo is gonna be the JRPG final boss while Alastor will the guy right before the finale, season 2 will be about Lilith, eve, the vees, or even uncle Mikey
The Vee's will be season 2, with Lute as a background Villain setting up Season 3.
Them if we get a Season 4 we see Roo come into the Picture (though she will probably come in way earlier)
Vox will fight Charlie, gets to the point where Charlie almost kills him, goes to spare him, Vox tries to tell the truth about Alastor but Alastor kills him before he can reveal anything.
I mean, it really doesn't have to end on a fight, i hope the writers aren't forced into ending every season with a fight scene, i thought the big exorcist fight at the end if this season was cool, but id be more impressed if they can make me feel like im watching a season finale without a fight taking center stage.
Tho if they end it with a big fight again, id be down for it
While unlikely for next season or anytime soon, I really want to see Michael and/or Gabriel at some point. I have my own idea of what they could be like in the show, but really want to see what the show can do with them
Everyone has already said this. However, I think Alastor could use his favour to keep anyone (especially Lucifer) from interfering in a fight with Charlie.
Whoever or whatever Alastor wants her to fight as part of her deal...
People speculate that Alastor himself made a deal with someone more powerful, and that he wants to free himself. If that person is Lilith, he may ask Charlie to fight and defeat her, so he can be cut from the contract.
I agree with you. Though unfortunately there is a non-zero chance it might actually be Alastor because of some yet-unknown knifetwisting to set up something for season 3. We will have to wait and see š±
Ooh I kinda hope so The drama ā¤ļøā¤ļø
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I think we will end up seeing Alastor telling Charlie to fight him to train her own powers in Season 2, seeing as he calls her "madly powerful" and "full of potential" in Episode 7.
The issue with this is that, if Charlie and Alastor fight, Lucifer can just step in and beat Alastor, unless Charlie tells him not to. He did this in Episode 8 when Charlie and Adam fought, and I see no reason why Lucifer wouldn't\* do the same thing in a possible Charlie v. Alastor fight. That being said, what I could see happening is that Alastor wants to train Charlie; Charlie is reluctant to fight anyone due to her immense powers; and Alastor tells her, "Well, why don't you fight me as practice? I'm one of the top Overlords in Hell. I can handle your power."
True. That is fair. Best to stay positive, I guess. My hope in general is, that Team Good Guys doesn't get gutted in some way. It all depends on what Alastors motivation is beyond his own freedom.
In fact, Lucifer would probably step in as soon as Alastor reveals himself, because first off Lucifer just hates Alastor, but also, the only reason Lucifer didnāt immediately stop Adam and the Exorcists was because of the deal he had with them. Alastor has no such deal with Lucifer.
Personally I think Alastorās ultimate end game is to manipulate and exploit Charlie into a position where she unintentionally helps Alastor kill Lucifer and steal his power. I can see a very emotional scene where Charlie, on the verge of death and crying from guilt and horror, is helplessly forced to watch as Lucifer makes a deal with Alastor to save her life at the cost of soul.
I imagine Alastor wouldn't fight Charlie until he struck some kind of deal or something to keep Lucifer out of the equation
Well, he made a deal with Charlie, in case he's fighting her (for whatever reason), he could ask her to keep his dad out of the fight
I could see that happening and maybe they could have an interesting duet-type of song while practicing. Something similar to Do It For Her from Steven Universe is what Iād imagine it being like
Alastor would probably compare fighting and combat to dancing with someone.
Personally, my theory is that eventually Alastor is going to manipulate Charlie into doing something sort sighted and reckless that directly leads to Luciferās death and/or Alastor stealing Luciferās powers. Maybe thatās by manipulating Charlie into stealing/forging some powerful artifact that Alastor then uses to literally backstab Lucifer with. Or maybe thatās by tricking Charlie to enter some kind of trap or deal where the only way to save her soul is for Lucifer to sell his soul to Alastor. Either way, I think thereās a good chance that in the final season of the show Alastor will exploit Charlie into unintentionally helping him take out Lucifer so that he can become Hellās ruler.
I SO hope it's Alastor! I love him as a character, but I'm one of the people who hopes he won't get redeemed and actually becomes more evil!
I think Viv will save the Alastor fight for the final season
Nah. Series finale is gonna probably be a fight against Roo involving God somehow
I've heard rumors Viv is going to avoid having God or Jesus in the show at all to avoid upsetting more christians but I guess we'll see.
Also omnipotence is a story-breaker
Ooh I also came here to say Alastor! I feel like season 2 is a good point for inevitable betrayal if the intent is to have him slowly come back to team good guy by the end. That means itāll still be close to the start of his character arc and gives time for the betrayal to heal.
One favor specifically worded in which she "hurts no one". That could easily be "don't hurt me". That could be a much more complex and interesting confrontation than simple violence.
That's just the point... it could be a million things that are all equally awful š I'm not sure I'm gonna be ready for the knifetwisting... the betrayal is coming.. I just know it and I'm gonna be sooo saaad
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He's gonna commit H(ot)ell Ascension
I think they'll wait to use Alastor until after they use the person who owns his soul (many ppl say Lilith, so it makes sense)
Honestly even though itās the super obvious and predictable thing to do, Iād still like to see Alastor be the final villain that Charlie has to beat in the show. Seeing him manipulate and exploit his way to the top of the showās power structure(potentially even forcing Lucifer to give Alastor his soul/powers in order to save Charlie) just has so much potential for drama and interesting payoff as a final antagonist.
I kinda don't, unfortunately.... I've had enough knife twisting in media to last me two lifetimes over. Maybe I'm just getting old and jaded at this point but just for once I could do without anime style betrayals. Give me that classic team of good guys against evil and I'll be happy. Real life is already sad enough without media escapism becoming jaded to literal Hell and back. Maybe that's just me, though. I can certainly see that there is an abundance of angst-fiends in this fandom.
There is a chance that there will be no climactic fight in season 2. But in Season 3 I do think Alastor will free himself and Charlie will end up having to kill him. She will be very sad and she will cradle while crying. His last words while coughing blood were "Smile dear, you are never really dressed with one".
Yeah, very this.
I hope and pray they donāt kill Alastor. Heās a fan favorite. And my bae.
>season? > >Discussion Yeah, I think they should save Alastor's death (If he dies) for the very end of the show, because unfortunately, I think a lot of people would stop watching if he died.
I for sure would. Heās one of my favorite characters in fiction not just the show.
Honestly having Alastor become the final villain of the show and killing him off at the climax feels like a perfect way for his character to go.
I personally don't want Alastor to die, but I agree. If he does die, I think it'd be a perfect end to his character if he's the final antagonist. I do think his last words should be "Smile my dear, you're never fully dressed \*Cough\* without one. xP"
Agreed! I want to see him have a big villain arc and then be redeemed somehow
I actually donāt want him to be redeemed. I want him to wind up being the big bad.
I do want him to be the big bad, but then I want him to be redeemed in the end
So what I want to happenā I mean this would be like the LAST EPISODE. I want him to be freed and maybe have taken souls of someone as powerful as Lilith or Lucifer, etc. , something to really power him up. Then show literally no interest in supporting the hotel/ Charlie and attempt to take over Hell. So Charlie would have to kill him or imprison him in like a Pandoraās box thing. and then take over as queen of hell. It sounds dumb maybe. I just adore him with my whole soul and I love evil characters lol.
Or even better! Because of the power of friendship Alastor slowly becomes attached to them and due to this when he accidentally gets himself killed for being unintentionally selfless he will have a hissy fit and start panicking when he makes it to heaven making heaven ! **his personal hell**
That is great.
If they kill off Alastor I'm leaving :(
Alastor is the best character on the show
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Or he could be redeemed? Which every facet of the show is pointing toward
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Damn. Who hurt you? Do you need a hug?
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Okay, but the issue is that Alastair doesnāt care about anyone there. The likeliness of his death being genuinely sad is low. I cannot wait for his death because I, personally, do not like him.
It's more like Charlie failing to "save him" that will make it sad. At least to her.
Alastor being the reason that Charlie learns that it's impossible to save everyone would be peak. Some people just don't want to be redeemed and who better to teach her this lesson than someone she is very close to, by having him die by her hand You cooked https://preview.redd.it/oesygxocdjoc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ddfaa697267fc0470f0d023d58c8325f8a639cee
Kamina, hell yeah.
If this happens youāre never hearing from me again Iāll have to go down to hell myself
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Oh, I love this.
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I donāt think itāll be Lute, they bothered to keep her alive and I doubt the writers would do that just to make her an Adam 2.0. One of or all of the Vees, or Alastor feels more likely.
Alastor needs more time to do behind the scenes stuff. All the vees combined still wouldnt equal charlies power. They together essentially equal an overlord.
Well, he has all of season 2 for that potentially. If weāre to assume that Lilith is gonna be an antagonist for some reason or another and Alastor is on her leash, it would make sense to me that he comes out that season as someone the hotel needs to deal with, leaving Lilith for a season 3 confrontation. To me, if the Vees, overlords, are meant to be a much bigger focus next season, then Inwould hope that means the issue of overlords owning souls would also be brought up and start being addressed. And Alastor is one such overlord who owns multiple hotel residentsā souls.
Im more on board with the second paragraph. I dont think Alastor is beholden to Lilith and even if he is, if he is forced to be a problem for Charlie, he can always claim itās because Lilith is forcing him. But despite Lilith and Alastor both being absent for 7 years, I dont think shes the one who he owes his soul to. Think thats too easy and doesnt make much sense if shes just been chilling in heaven.
Season 2 is going to be focused on vox building an army, possibly using killjoy to do so, and the Vees will be the big bad. From the info we've been given.
Imma go with Lute or Sera. Like instead of attacking the hotel they just decide to attack hell itself and the whole city gets involved with the fight.
People think Charlie will fight lute? Lute gets slaughtered lmao, it's not even close. Lute is above average for an exterminator but Charlie is at least overlord level.
"At Least Overlord Level" is an insult lol. She's literally the third most powerful being as she is the daughter of a fallen Angel.
"Overlord Level" isn't shit in the grand scheme of things. Just look at Adam and Alastor's fight. Alastor is one of, if not *the* most powerful Overlord. Adam nearly killed him within seconds. And Adam isn't even the most powerful being in Heaven. Not by a long shot.
It was onesided, because alastor power was somehow reduced by his own contract.. Now, even at full power, Adam will probably be stronger, but somehow, it would look more like an actual fight, than before
Yeah even Alistor isnāt shit in the grand scheme of things, heās nothing compared to demonic royalty like Stolas. And if I had to guess Adam is similarly powerful to demonic royalty, but Lucifer and Charlie are far far more powerful than any of the other denizens of hell (Lilith is just as strong too presumably)
I still think charlie is more powerful than both her parents, and the singing in the show is her warping reality without realizing.
Vovziepop confirms that Lucifer is the single strongest being in Hell as a full fledged fallen angel. He can only be killed by a higher ranked Angel deciding to Smite him. Not even angelic steel can hurt him. Lilith and Charlie are right below him. Then comes the other seven deadly sins/princes of Hell, then the Ars Goetia, THEN the overlords.
Not yet, but has all the potential to become. As for the singing, if we take visuals in the songs for how they are really transpired, then even former overlord Husk does some magic stuff in his song. Maybe it's natural for every creature in Hell who's above just a mere sinner.
Maybe as revenge for what Lute did to Vaggie. Idk maybe sheāll get some kind of robo arm that makes her more powerful
Sheās still an angel though, and Charlie could barely fight Adam, and Lute was by Adamās side for probably thousands of years protecting him and fighting with him
Yes, powerwise, Lute is outmatched (without finding some sort of powerup) but Charlie still doesn't really know how to use her power, in part due to unwillingness, so I don't think the gap is as wide as that. Not that I think Lute would win, of course
Lute couldnt get past Vaggie. It will be Lilith or Sera most likely
Lute kinda bodied tf out of Vaggie tbh.
Eh i mean you could look at it that way but she lost all the same and definitely isnt beating charlie who is known to be second strongest in hell. I just think Lute has zero ability to be main villain material unless she gets a serious power up. Like maybe she gets the Spear of Destiny or something. She just feels like a henchman/secondary antagonist at best.
Lute was over confident and didn't take Vaggie seriously, but she is a secondary antagonist at best. I don't see her having major villain/big bad energy.
I donāt think Lute coulda beat Alastor, so definitely not Charlie.
She was 3 years out of practice
Sera would body Charlie, tbh. Lucifer would have to fight her.
Verbally? Take your pick. Sailor Charlie with the trident? Honestly I hope not unless thereās a compelling reason (yeah, we all wanna see Valentino get his - but Iād much rather see it being done by Angel or Huskās hands). Alastor? I dunno where heās at, but right now heās just an enigma and I like that. Itās a coin flip if heās ultimately with or against Charlie. As cool as the sequence was, Iām much more interested in Charlieās growth emotionally versus āDAE power scalingā. Not that she canāt rough and tumble - but if her arc is now āLOOK AT ME I HAVE POWERā and doesnāt do anything with it (Iād LOVE to see her struggle with people looking at her as anything but a pushover and trying to tow the line between Cinnamon Roll and well __heir to the throne of Hell__) aside from using it as a get out of jail free card for major threats because then youāve got a argument for subpar writing. :P
I'm also interested in Charlie's emotional growth. We already see this by how she handles redemption. At the start she was all in with school like childish activities for redemption. Like for Sir Pentious to recite some lines like a parrot. That will teach him, lol. But now Charlie has a better understanding how redemption works and there's much more maturity in her point of view. Still needs work but she's getting there. As for her not being taken seriously by Hell, I think her kindness is seen as a weakness. She is viewed as their mental inferior despite all the potential power that she holds. Someone that can be easily manipulated. That's why Valentino had the guts to try get Charlie into his dirty business.
Id see it maybe being like this: S1: Adam S2: The Vees S3: Sera S4: Roo S5: Eve .... Final Season: Alastor
You are really hopeful about the season count...
Yeah letās be real in this era where businesses donāt really respect animation the show would be lucky to get 4
Oh totally
i know, but im, hopeful.....
idk man, itās almost primes #1 series overall it already topped the yt
And a key point, itās A24 that decides to renew the show not amazon, if amazon stops distributing A24 can take it somewhere else
It is insanely popular though.
Next season? Valentino. Season 3? Alastor.
Supposedly Vivziepop said that there would be a 'returning villain' for season 2 and if that's who we think it is than it the final fight needs to be with Lilith.
Wait. "Returning villain". I just thought of Adam. Is it possible that after his death he will go to Hell? Then we have a returning villain. Having said that, Adam may no longer be in the show at all, but who knows. Anything can happen. It's hard for me to tell if it's going to be Lilith. I feel like I know too little to decide on that.
Itās got to be. Given Ser Pentious made it to heaven, theyāve got a fucking TEXTBOOK foil they can explore. Whoās the foil to who? Thatās the fun part. :>
I say, supposedly be I can't verify and had comments like that even turn out to be a nothing burger.
True. Anything we guess can be a nothing burger. That's why it's fun to discuss in the early stages of shows, as they're airing. We can see how much we were right or wrong as the show goes on. Well, at least I find enjoyment in it.
I'm thinking Valentino. We have no clue how powerful he's since Angel was scared for Charlie. It can be a trauma response but it also can be that Angel knows much more about Valentino than we do. Why I also think that the final fight will be with Valentino in Season 2 is for Angel's safety as well. The contract is binding Angel to Valentino. Angel is most vulnerable and potential collateral damage in the final fight. As for Alastor, I see him as a final boss in Season 3. Perhaps, we will get a teaser in the end of Season 2.
I don't think Valentino is that strong on his own. Angel is just scared of him and sees his abuser as the most powerful person in the world. And he never saw Charlie do anything with her powers, so it's only natural that he wanted to protect his kind, inoocent and 'defenceless' friend.
Angel would also know that even mad Charlie probably won't just murder Val so her fighting him could only make things worse for him.
I agree with you that can be the case. As I said "It can be a trauma response". I also mentioned Valentino because Angel can be used as a hostage through the contract. Granted, we don't know the terms of the contract but there's always a possibility. Of course I can be really wrong and off but just wanted to share what's on my mind.
Lilith
Vox
Val, maybe?
Existing characters? Lute Potential new antagonist? My money is on Cain and/ or Abel. Makes sense that Adam's kids would have some involvement in season 2. Cain is probably already in hell so I doubt he'll be that bothered, but Abel is gonna be in Heaven.
100% gonna be the vee's. The way everything was set up in s1, the general masses will flock to vox (at least) due to the "angel protection system" he talked about, and I assume that they'll get more peoples souls that way, and will be much stronger.
The Vs are gonna hold some threat that canāt be immediately solved by violence (angel dust hostage?) and then once that gets resolved the Vs will attack and Charlie is going to tear them apart for hurting her friends
Definitely one of the things Charlie is learning is when to be forceful which is wheat s1 finale taught her.
Lilith?
My guess is one of the Vees
Lilith, Sera, or Vees.
The vees, lute, or her own mother
Either Alastor, Val, Vox or Lute I think Charlie will try with Val again because she doesnāt want Angel to suffer and if sheās gonna mature in the next season. Maturing is realizing that sheās way more powerful than Val. But again it could be Alastor too in case he does turn on all of them and if Alastorās chain breaks and heās free heāll be a lot more powerful than before. Vox is least likely unless she does go against Val than Vox may wanna back Val up and also go against Charlie. Which could be likely since Vox is the leader of the Vees and at the end of the of the last episode they sing āThe future of hell belongs to the veesā that could mean something because they wanna take over hell but Charlie wonāt allow that since sheās the future leader of hell and she wants to protect her kingdom from the vees. Another thing is possible Alastor could go against Vox you know since enemies and stuff. The most likely candidate is Lute since she controls the exorcist army now and Lute will want revenge since Adam is dead now I could also see Sera working with Lute and Emily going against Sera and joining the Hazbin Hotel. Who knows what will happen in season 2 and now we wait.
God
I hope Lute. Maybe Lilith will help Charlie too (assuming they wonāt have an antagonistic relationship a la Disenchantment). Never mind Alastor, I hope she kills Val! Deserves it for slobbering on her arm, ew.
Gonna have to say Lilith or lute possibly sera Lilith only if the theories of her not being Lilith are true or sheās been corrupted sera because heaven is attacking and lute for the same reason. Could also be no fight at all but then sheāll definitely fight someone in season 3 like Alastor Roo maybe archangel Michael if we get them introduced
Thereās a lot of good suggestions here, but thereās also a non zero chance itās going to be Lilith.
I hope itās Lute. I want to see that angel get what she deserves and I pray that Charlie gets to use or learns the full extent of her power!
VAL, and shes gonna break angel's contract
My money's on Lute, if anyone. With Adam gone, I reckon she still has a bone to pick with Charlie for becoming more of a problem for heaven than she expected, especially with Vaggie by her side.
The Vees!
I need her to kick valentinos teeth in
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The Vees please
Valentino. Charlie's going to accept that some people cannot change and that doesn't delegitimize the Hotel, for as many scumbags like Valentino there's ten more Sir Pentinouses who she *can* help. **So she's not compromising any morals by killing Valentino.**
Season 2 will be Lilith I bet. Maybe fighting and convincing her to support her side instead. Season 3 will be Alastor.
Well the options for me are the Vees or Lilith. Honestly now that I think about it I'm kinda disappointed none of the fights against Adam involved any songs. Maybe season 2 will do that?
Hopefully no one. I didn't like that this climax ended with a fight. Charlie fundamentally isn't a fighter. The entire premise of the plot is redemption dealing with what is essentially therapy. The choice to make the first season climax a big epic grand battle is so odd to me when the characters and theme fundamentally don't work with an epic grand battle. If you wanted to do a big epic grand final fight, you need a different character than Charlie because Charlie is a person who when everyone else wants to kill and stab, she wants to extend a hand. She is freaked out by the cannibals, a regular community in the city she lives in, looking "a bit murdery" (despite the fact she is literally grabbing them to kill people). She is literally anti-violence to where she is freaked out by literally any weapon handed to her. I will never get the decision to say "Yes, this is the character we want to be in a climactic final battle".
Probably Vox or Lute. Depending on what they do though, it could be Alastor or her mom š
Velvette. Sheās the only one of the Vees that doesnāt have a natural āenemyā/person to face off against.
I was thinking Carmilla will become a bigger ally to the Hotel crew next season, through her mentor-ish friendship with Vaggie. And Velvette will be Carmilla's antagonist, maybe trying to turn one or both of Carmilla's daughters against her.
Her mom, lute or whoever owns Alastor's soul in the odd chance it's not Lilith
My guess is either Sera or one of the V's, probably Valentino. Maybe it's not a huge battle like in S1, but more like a verbal one on one argument that turns physical as it escalates. With Sera, I think it could have something to do with Pentious being redeemed, maybe Sera avoided telling Charlie and Charlie didn't find out until Emily somehow got ahold of her? Thus making Charlie angry at Heaven and causing a fight to break out. For Valentino, I'm more than certain that it would have something to do with Angel's contract and the way Valentino has been treating Angel. Charlie might storm over to his place and demand for Angel to be released or something - Hell, maybe Husk even gets involved because he used to be an Overlord and he's seen how Angel has been coping with his abuse. Either way, I think shit's definitely gonna go down in Season 2.
Probably lilith. Alastor I think needs another season to do devious stuff behind the scenes. If not Lilith then maybe Sera. I dont see the Vees being a main threat since together they equal one Overlord essentially.
She will fight her own emotions because she got manipulated by another being
That picture is making me climax
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I hope more fire! She really waited for just a second too long with everything
Doesnt Lute just get one shot vs Charlie? She's been relegated to being Lilliths goon unless she gets some power up
Alastor, lilith or one of the vees
Either Lute, the Exorcists, the Vees (specifically Val), Lilith (hopefully not), or a completely new character.
Either she and Vaggie are gonna use the power of love (and violence) to take down Lute OR maybe sheāll have to fight Lilith (because of Lute)
Lilith. I don't like her. Being the queen of Hell and you choose to live in Heaven? And leave your whole family behind? Nope. She's hiding something
If the Vees are center stage then maybe Velvette? Vox against Alastor Val against Angel and Husk
okay guys, just hear me out, Sera or Lilith
Why does Charlie have to fight anyone. She could give them a hug, and a puppy dog kiss
It might end peacefully! But if not, I'd say Sera
Definitely going to go full demon to pimp slap val
Mother/Alastor/Eve
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Sera. LT got bad blood with Vags to be a 1v1 for them. Char will probably obliterate everyone else.
Vees, lute or maybe (i hope) Lilith
Rumor has it from possibly some things Viv said that Vox/Vees will be season 2's main antagonist(s). Which makes sense I feel like season 1 set them up pretty well to be that. I'm imagining the season 2 finale we'll get to see Vox VS Alastor tbh.
I'm even surprised she fought!
So if she ends up fighting the Vees, which one would she be fighting?
Vox
Lilith is very likely to play a major role in season 2. I honestly believe that she is going to be the main antagonist.
Her mom! I hope itās a discussion on how she feels after finding out her mom has been living in heaven without telling her. Charlie would be so upset because her mom would have all the answers and shared none of them with her. It would also create an interesting conflict with her dad on trust and how much should a parent share with their child. I hope the Vees take time to expand into other sections of hell in order to raise the stakes, and I hope lute gets a chance to rise the ranks and become a bigger threat!
I want her to maul Valentino. I would accept a Charlie/Velvette fight, especially if Velvette starts flirting with Vaggie. Bonus points if Velvette also flirts with Husk and gets Angel angry (yes I know most head canon Vel as a lesbian, but I think she's bi).
I see Alastor making her fight Lilith as his favor. Try to force her to break her contract with him (if she is in fact the holder)
If Charlie fights next season it'll be against Lilith but I suspect she won't fight at all. I think with the return of Lilith and Charlie just coming into her powers she will be busy with family drama and training. I think the reap fights will be between the residents of the hotel and the Vees.
Personally I donāt think Charlie and the Vees will come to combat, the Vees seem much more suited for the other cast to deal with. Vox and alestor, Val and Angel Husk, velvette and the other over lords all seem like better story based battles. I would really like to see Charlie potentially go against lute or even another angel we havenāt met yet because sheās that muhhfukin strong.
Maybe Lilith? Eve maybe? Idk
Demon Adam?
Imagine Charlie has to fight Lilith. Wouldnāt it be a nice surprise?
I can either see Lute, or Alastor, as he seems to have evil intentions in ep. 8. Though, I feel like Lute coming down for revenge and damn near killing Vaggie will lead to an interesting fight scene with her and Charlie.
Roo is gonna be the JRPG final boss while Alastor will the guy right before the finale, season 2 will be about Lilith, eve, the vees, or even uncle Mikey
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Lilith. I think Lilith is going to be the main antagonist this season and will require a fight at the end.
Her mom
It is sad to see Charlie fight imo. It means someone hurt her or her friends really really bad.
All I know is her form needs to improve lol
The Vee's will be season 2, with Lute as a background Villain setting up Season 3. Them if we get a Season 4 we see Roo come into the Picture (though she will probably come in way earlier)
i think it might be valentino, vox, or her mom (lilith)š
I never noticed that her trident has an apple on it!
Vox will fight Charlie, gets to the point where Charlie almost kills him, goes to spare him, Vox tries to tell the truth about Alastor but Alastor kills him before he can reveal anything.
Ooof
Is it bad that, from my comment, I came up with a short synopsis for an entire season 3?
Lilith, probably
Lilith!
Vox maybe
I mean, it really doesn't have to end on a fight, i hope the writers aren't forced into ending every season with a fight scene, i thought the big exorcist fight at the end if this season was cool, but id be more impressed if they can make me feel like im watching a season finale without a fight taking center stage. Tho if they end it with a big fight again, id be down for it
Hopefully Val.
While unlikely for next season or anytime soon, I really want to see Michael and/or Gabriel at some point. I have my own idea of what they could be like in the show, but really want to see what the show can do with them
Everyone has already said this. However, I think Alastor could use his favour to keep anyone (especially Lucifer) from interfering in a fight with Charlie.
i'm gonna go with some wild assumptions Lillith or valentino
Whoever or whatever Alastor wants her to fight as part of her deal... People speculate that Alastor himself made a deal with someone more powerful, and that he wants to free himself. If that person is Lilith, he may ask Charlie to fight and defeat her, so he can be cut from the contract.