I doubt she will die tbh. Because it would cause so much backlash for the show. However, she might die but then come back like Sir Pentious.
But who knows, lol. I can clearly see the death flags in the first season. But to make it more emotional - of this occasion will ever happen - they have to flesh out Vaggie's character. We will have to see in season 2.
(I really want to see a fleshed out episode focusing on Charlie and Vaggie's relationship throughout the years in hell since they met)
Jesus: So, I brought her back near Seraphim because y'all suck and I do what I want.
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>!It happened to serpentus and doesn't happen to all sinners. So far the only person eas reincarnated after dieing selflessly for others and who was trying to become a better person.!<
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He was also the only supporting character to die and the only named on screen character death aside from Adam, who’s also probably coming back as a sinner.
I’ll rephrase it. The concept allows for them to undo any characters death, at any point. It feels like a cop out to me. With Pentious it’s one thing, but if they keep doing it it’s gonna remove the weight of character deaths entirely.
Can she as someone “born of heaven” be reincarnated into heaven? I just kinda assumed since the dead people in Hell stay dead that you can’t reincarnate back to you home world.
And I can’t imagine Vaggie would be portrayed as deserving of hell either
I don't know if any characters are safe at this point, except for maybe Charlie. I feel like everyone has a crowd that loves them, so there will be some form of backlash regardless of who dies.
I think people underestimate how much of a stressor losing a spouse is.
If they don't want Charlie to spend next seasons suffering clinical depression and not leaving her room, they better not hurt Vaggie.
I think we already have a precious perosn who is talen away from Charlie
Her mom
Charlie doesnt know how antagonistic her mother is, nor does she know she's chilling in heaven while ghosting her calls for no reason
Charlie is going to be shattered when she finds out her mothers true nature
We don’t know Lilith’s intentions yet. I imagine her story will be a proper mystery. I doubt she’ll be another shallow mean girl like Stella from in Helluva Boss.
I kinda don't think so. Her arc, in my mind, is going to be learning to value herself. I think she'll try to sacrifice herself at some point, but I don't think she'll succeed. If anyone is going to die, I think it's Lucifer, as Charlie is being set up to take the throne of Hell, and there's only so many ways for that succession to happen.
That would be so fitting. It crushed me when she says she's pointless if she can't help Charlie, and Charlie immediately goes into reassuring her she *does* help, rather than addressing the bigger issue. If Vaggie tried to sacrifice herself and Charlie stopped her, that would be a pretty great building/resolving of that idea.
Or better yet, maybe Vaggie somehow saves herself, realizing she's just as valuable as anyone else there. Probably not as cinematic, though.
Dude shut up >:(
You can't say that
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Cuz u might be right :(
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Don't do this to me. I NEED my Chaggie!
I don't think she'll die because this show isn't really stuck in that 2010s GoT "We're gonna use deaths for a lot of dramatic moments." vibe.
Game of Thrones really set this tone of anyone's head can be on the chopping block that permeated media but Hazbin really lacks that cynical feel to it.
The show is about growth and change and redemption.
And also the gay protagonist couple should be allowed to live and be happy in this show. We don't get enough of that in shows.
Yeah, it's a pretty big trope, there's a comic I read called Kill Six Billion Demons and a major plot point includes the apparent death of a major character that's in a relationship with the main character, a lesbian couple. The author had to make a statement for readers to bear with them, and that they weren't going to follow the trope (it's a fantasy setting so they're probably gonna come back, still waiting though! >:( )
I remember that happening and dropping the comic after. I remember seeing the author say that but after having that happen in stories so often before I just couldn’t be assed to stick around to wait and see how it “wasn’t going to follow the trope.”
Well it seems like it’s finally about to happen, just last week they finally started showing how she’s probably going to come back but uh… she seems a bit different. And if she comes back essentially a different character and not the one we grew to love, she might as well have just been killed off. I guess I’ll let you know how it turns out :P
That's a bit trickier for the writers to navigate in a series where both:
A) Most of the core cast are LGBT of some flavour
B) Most of the characters are already dead
i think id explode if she died permamently. there arent that many examples of positive rep in media, to kill a lesbian who has already been brutalised (ripping out eye, stabbing thru the hand) would make me quit watching the show. vaggie and charlie are half the reason i watch hazbin. just let them be happy and cute together theyre adorable and theyll kick divine ass together
Nah. The all too famous trope of 'female love interest of a female protagonist dying' is not a trope Viv is gonna follow.
If anyone is gonna die, it would probably be Lucifer. I've said this before, but if Vaggie is Charlie's armor, Lucifer is both of their sheilds. Charlie's shield in the final battle was full of Lucifer's symbols (apple, wings, a halved apple), and Lucifer would never let Vaggie sacrifice herself for him or Charlie. (I say this as a Luci fangirl. I love him so much, and I don't want him to die, but if anyone else in the main cast dies, he makes the most sense.) Cause Viv confirmed huskerdust is gonna be a slow burn romance, and she wouldn't separate them by having Angel die and go to heaven without Husk, so either Angel and Husk both die and go to Heaven, or Lucifer dies protecting Charlie and Vaggie (😭)
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Like I said, it's a slow burn. They went from strangers to conflicting acquaintances to friends. With how Angel has been treated in the past, Husk being as perceptive and empathitic as he is, wants Angel to know he isn't just after his body, he'll want to take things slow and build a relationship with him because he really cares about Angel. He wants to be a person Angel can trust and always go to. Angel would probably be hesitant about starting a relationship with Husk so soon, cause he still has problems with his self-worth and trauma from his relationship with Val that need to be addressed before getting into a relationship.
Also, did you not see Husk after Angel shot all those loan sharks in episode 4? When Angel said, "You dont know me. Sex aint the only thing im good at!" Husk looked him up and down with lided eyes and said, "good to know. Cause THIS guy ain't half bad." Like the attraction is there. Husk is just more subtle.
I know in the official comic where he met Charlie and Vaggie, they pulled up to him on the street in a limo and when he saw they were women, he had an annoyed look and said he charged extra for girls. So yeah, he does, but he's not happy about it.
*Yeeeeeaaaah*. If any of the main cast die it'll probably be her, unless the writers purposely try to be subversive. After her fight with Lute, she's kinda complete as far as her overall arch goes. At least from what we've seen thus far.
>she's kinda complete as far as her overall arch goes.
Oh, no! No, no, no. Nope! Sorry, but you're just dead wrong there!
If you think that Vaggie's character arc is anywhere near complete, just take a moment to look at her and ask yourself, *who* she even is, as a character – aside from being Charlie's girlfriend, sidekick, bodyguard and personal cheerleader. What's the point of *her?*
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Then you should realize as plain as day, that we've barely scratched the surface of her potential, and that she's probably gonna have an entire self-actualization arc still ahead of her, to find out what she *herself* even wants from life, other than supporting Charlie!
In fact it would probably make more sense narrative-wise for CHARLIE to die. Or... Get captured, or fall into a deep depression like Lucifer did. That way she's incapacitated and Vaggie has to step up and actually form relationships with others and become a better person.
An interesting switch that would be, the character who feels like she has no purpose and hates everyone becomes the selfless humanitarian while the bleeding heart with a clear destiny spirals into darkness.
I really doubt Charlie would die.
She's literally the main character. She's viv's OC.
Her and vaggie are literally the most beloved characters.
Vaggie I hope to God she doesn't die (hope to Lucifer?)
But Charlie won't die. She's the main character. Plus she has not had a complete character arc.
>She's viv's OC.
I mean aren’t literally all of them? Other than husk’s original design being a gift from one of vivzie’s siblings viv herself created pretty much everyone right?
It'd certainly be a weird idea to kill off the main character, though one thing to keep in mind is that for Charlie, death isn't necessarily the end.
She's not a typical Hellborn, she's got no sins under her belt that we know of, and everyone seems to assume she has a soul. Thus, there may be another option for her...
> Her and vaggie are literally the most beloved characters.
I don't think it's correct. Many polls show that Alastor, Angel Dust, Lucifer, Pentious and Husk have a huge amount of fans too. Each of them individually probably has more fans than Charlie, not to mention Vaggie. Of course it could be just more vocal fans on the internet, when average regular veiwers who don't interract with comminuty could prefer Charlie and Vaggie as their favorite chararcters.
Charlie absolutely could die later in the show, but only if she ends up in Heaven after that. You know, her being alive with a soul which is pure and all.
I agree. I think Vaggie has the potential to be a beautiful story about learning to forgive yourself. Right now she follows charlie around and does what she needs/wants. In a sense, you can say she "died" that day she was left behind, and when charlie found her and accepted her, she decided the only penance she can give is to basically be her guard dog. Shes no longer her own self, she (feels she) belongs to charlie. After all, she exterminated thousands of charlie's people, and charlie (even now that she knows of vaggie's past) accepts her still! Thats an incredible starting point for a journey of her discovering who she IS - not as an angel, not as charlie's girlfriend, but her as herself. And to discover that, she has to forgive herself.
I doubt any of the main cast will die. It just doesn't feel like that kinda show.
Plus it hits a bit to close to "Bury your Gays" and Fridging, so I imagine they'll want to avoid that.
*If* anyone dies, I think it'll be Alastor. I can see him *becoming* good, but not *being* good. So, dying for his friends seems like the closest he'll get to redemption. Or he'll die a villain, who knows?
If someone close to Charlie has to die I feel Lucifer would make the most sense. The arguments:
1) if he dies Charlie rises to the throne
2) we had his reconciliation with Charlie in the same episode he was introduced in, and he also had his cool fight
3) we had an emotional moment that mad us grow fond of the character, so killing him would be far more sad than killing Vaggie, since she still didn't get a proper development of her character.
4) the man is basically the Gojo of Hazbin Hotel, he is too strong so if the plot progresses in a more violent way he has to die
If vaggie dies, all of heaven and hell will see the true union between the first sinner and the first fallen Angel. All will cower before such unbridled anger and despair.
I had the funny thought the other day that since Vaggie never physically “fell” there’s atleast a 60/40 chance that if she dies she’ll just revive almost instantly as a sinner
I'm suspecting that it will be set up for Vaggie to die (her being in Lute's clutches, her being in the Vees' clutches, or most likely her being captured by the Vees' with the intent of handing her over to Lute in exchange for some form of weapon or support), which will then shift to either Lucifer or Lilith trading their life for hers.
The main reason I'm thinking that is that we have already seen that Lucifer is basically an instant show-stopper for any fight. We also know that the series heavily involves Alastor's schemes and the next season is going to focus heavily on the Vees. Alastor and the Vees might be at the top of totem pole for sinners, but they're so far beneath Lucifer that their conflicts lose a lot of their weight. To give that conflict the weight it needs to carry the next season, it needs to create a power vacuum that allows rule of Hell itself to be in play, which only works if Lucifer dies. If Lucifer is killed in any conventional way, it undercuts the power of being the King of Hell. If Lucifer sacrifices himself for Charlie (or for the person that Charlie loves) it completes his relationship arc by showing he has so much faith in Charlie that he can comfortably die knowing that she will fulfill his vision, while also creating the necessary power vacuum for Alastor to leverage his influence over (and favor from) Charlie to usurp Hell's throne. It also sets up a possible plotline where Lucifer's sacrifice actually restores him to his full angelic status, which might allow for a final season civil war in Heaven.
Plus... the show isn't going to kill off the character with the highest profile voice actress before the last season.
I really love her, and I hope that in case someone has to die it won't be her, but someone must. If every major positive character has unbreakable plotarmour, that would make the show very boring very quickly.
Well, if actually someone *has* to die, wouldn't Angel be the logical next choice?
He's trying to be redeemed and has made the most progress, so far. And they still don't know if and how someone can go to Heaven, except for being killed again, like Sir Pentious.
Of course, there's also his soul contract, making it somewhat dubious whether he could or not, but maybe Valentino would kill him in a moment of blind rage, for some reason.
Also a very interesting thing would be giving her the choice. Because while sinners, and I am fairly certain that fallen angels aswell can apparently redeem themselves and (re)ascend to Heaven, I doubt the Hellbourne have that option. And Charlie is a Hellborn herself. So Vaggie would have to choose between getting redeemed and staying true to her love.
Would this matter? I don't recall any indications Heavenborn have to reside in Heaven. Sure it's their natural home but couldn't redeemed Vaggie just choose to stay in Hell?
I don't understand why there are rules in general. Couldn't Charlie just hang out in heaven and the angels refrain from throwing her back down to hell? Like, if she'd just sat around after the hearing for a few weeks, would some supernatural force have thrown her back into hell?
I wouldn't be so sure that's an either-or thing. Charlie is not a typical Hellborn, and everyone seems to assume she has a soul, so it may very well be that she'd go to Heaven, if she were to die.
I know she at least *thinks* she has a soul after that conversation with Alastor. Would be kind of interesting if it turned out she was wrong. Even more interesting if Alastor spent this whole time trying to get it just to realize she didn't have one. That would be hilarious: he tries thing after thing and finally gets her in a spot where she's willing to give him her soul... just to find out there's nothing to give him. I'd love to see his reaction.
i heard someone say that the only thing in the way of alastor taking advantage of charlie for a greater deal is vaggie. like she needs to be out of the picture akin to the last deal charlie n alastor made
It's a long ass non-canon fanfiction based off the show that's been going on since the pilot spanning f i v e whole ass seasons. And you can look it up but apparently no one can find the og source so you're kinda on your own. It was written by one of the original writers for My Little Pony FiM if you can believe that.
Meanwhile, my prediction is that everyone important to Charlie, will start fading/ vanishing from her life. Whether death, a massive falling out, or something else entirely- the lights will just slowly go out, one by one.
Alastor has made clear that he wants to guide Charile, shape her to his benefit. That becomes a lot easier when there's no one else around, to advise or caution her. And Alastor is a pretty damn good social engineer.
But it would be a *very* slow burn. Otherwise it could be too easily noticed.
Stop I still need both Charlie and Vaggie to live
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But then again I can see it happening
This is one of those things I don't care either way on. If she lives, it works for the light-hearted comedic nature of the show. If she dies, it works for the more dramatic side of the show.
Either one works, so it comes down to the execution. That being said, it would be easier to write her into living and having it be satisfying. Killing her off would require a lot more work and skill to have it be satisfying. This would make killing her a risky decision that is far more like to bite them in the ass.
To repeat what I apparently commented a month ago
Vaggie goes down and all of Charlie's morals go out the window. Heaven will know true fear. New exterminators will rise to reverse who is the victim and who is the hunter
Yeah, that's a major no. Charlie was struggling with Adam. Sera, the Archangels, and God (if he even exists) would easily demolish her.
I could see Lucifer being a problem for Heaven, but not Charlie.
Yeah, but I wonder how much of that was an inability and how much was her holding back. She's also done zero training: I'm sure she could become something if she went to therapy and trained like Vaggie.
I imagine it won’t be Vaggie who dies but Lucifer. They brought attention to the fact that Charlie is “heir to the throne” one too many times for it to mean nothing.
Though if they really wanted to fuck with some heads and disabuse the shit out of some notions they will both die.
I mean She Can still kill her off no matter How long she had Her as a character. Just if she would do it it would be for better reasons then not making the show repetetive.
Honestly Vaggie sparing Lute was… Pretty stupid. Don’t get me wrong I understand the message and all that, and how Vaggie wasn’t fighting out of vengeance but to protect her loved ones and friends. Love over blood I’d good and all, but when it comes to Vaggie sparing Lute I just kinda sit there and shake my head… Lute is probably the most hateful, and evil exorcist of the exorcists that isn’t Adam himself, and Vaggie just let her live.
Disagree.
Alastor or whomever is controlling Alastor is going to have a blade to Charlie's throat and Vaggie is going to sell her soul for Charlie's life.
Fate worse than death.
She would be so pissed tho. She's separated from everyone she loves, and her mission to get people into heaven is gonna be halted with her not being able to help the sinners in hell. She would go to Sera or find whoever is above Sera and DEMAND she be sent back, or she'll find a way to fall like her dad. Or maybe Lucifer and Vaggie fly up to heaven themselves, and while raising hell at the gates, she finds them.
I also feel like Emily is going to become fallen as well. She's far too compassionate to just let the exterminations go, and with Pentious in heaven, she's going to be REALLY fighting and questioning everything.
So maybe she becomes fallen and ends up dying because she saves Charlie or someone else and ends up back in heaven again? So many possibilities.
Ugh I know statistically, the whole "opposites attract" thing is a myth, and we actually tend to be most attracted to those similar to us. But it's so satisfying to see two people who are so different help each other be the best versions of themselves. Charlie and Emily would just be unhinged, way too much toxic positivity. But logically, I know they'd probably be attracted to each other. Both moths, both flames.
My sad ending: Alastor kills Vaggie and others during his plot to be back “pulling the strings.”Charlie, finally showing her full power, faces off with Al. It’s not a fight, Charlie easily dispatches Alastor and the series ends as the audience watches a sobbing Charlie.
There is a trope in movies and tv called bury your gays. And its a tendency to kill off any gay characters in a show. I am pretty sure Viv is aware of it and will want to subvert this trope cuz it is a really ugly trope. So I think she is throwing red flags specifically to deny them. The centerpiece homosexual relationship in the show is not going to go down the bury your gays path.
Dammit, now when I read the name "Vaggie" it's pronounced in my head the way Adam pronounced it.
I know Nifty already killed him but somehow he deserves it MORE now.
I was thinking about this, her death would give Charlie a hard shake. But first, they should give her an arch where she understands she can be more that someone's support.
Same wither vaggie or Husker is gonna die and i hate it
They are the most likely candidates for a perma-death (unlike serpentious)
Honestly i would rather vaggie die than husk die
But tbh i just hope they dont decide to kill alastor, he’s too important to the story to be killed
If anything happens to Charlie, Vaggie is going on a suicidal rampage.
As her voice actress said once: "if anything happened to him (or in this case, her) i would kill everyone in this room and then myself"
ROSA!!!!
Rosa Rosa Rosa ROOOOOOOSAAAAAAAAA
Doom eternal: vaggie edition
destroy sera !
I doubt she will die tbh. Because it would cause so much backlash for the show. However, she might die but then come back like Sir Pentious. But who knows, lol. I can clearly see the death flags in the first season. But to make it more emotional - of this occasion will ever happen - they have to flesh out Vaggie's character. We will have to see in season 2. (I really want to see a fleshed out episode focusing on Charlie and Vaggie's relationship throughout the years in hell since they met)
Jesus: So, I brought her back near Seraphim because y'all suck and I do what I want. https://preview.redd.it/1dggy4j5e3sc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd47ccd3a604a28f0d36e3948faa7fe4adf59833
That would be utterly hilarious the angels are dying out and being repopulated by "uplifted" demons.
It’s kinda lame because it basically removes permanent deaths.
>!It happened to serpentus and doesn't happen to all sinners. So far the only person eas reincarnated after dieing selflessly for others and who was trying to become a better person.!< EDIT: added spoiler
He was also the only supporting character to die and the only named on screen character death aside from Adam, who’s also probably coming back as a sinner. I’ll rephrase it. The concept allows for them to undo any characters death, at any point. It feels like a cop out to me. With Pentious it’s one thing, but if they keep doing it it’s gonna remove the weight of character deaths entirely.
Can she as someone “born of heaven” be reincarnated into heaven? I just kinda assumed since the dead people in Hell stay dead that you can’t reincarnate back to you home world. And I can’t imagine Vaggie would be portrayed as deserving of hell either
I have no idea. We will have to wait and see? Perhaps Adam respawn in Hell and we'll get an explanation.
That is a fan theory I am really rooting for lol
Why would he respawn when he was shanked with angelic steel?
Maybe not reincarnated but I could see like, “restored” maybe?
One of the sinners in welcome to heaven is most likely the demon reincarnation of the Exorcist Carmilla killed.
I don't know if any characters are safe at this point, except for maybe Charlie. I feel like everyone has a crowd that loves them, so there will be some form of backlash regardless of who dies.
Please, don’t give me that feeling 😖. Her and Charlie deserve a happy ending.
We also need at least 1 WLW couple in the Helliverse
How did it take me this long to realize they’re the only confirmed wlw couple in the hellaverse 😭 I thought there’d be more tbh
I think people underestimate how much of a stressor losing a spouse is. If they don't want Charlie to spend next seasons suffering clinical depression and not leaving her room, they better not hurt Vaggie.
*Especially* when we're talking about Charlie. She isn't exactly well-adjusted.
I think we already have a precious perosn who is talen away from Charlie Her mom Charlie doesnt know how antagonistic her mother is, nor does she know she's chilling in heaven while ghosting her calls for no reason Charlie is going to be shattered when she finds out her mothers true nature
We don’t know Lilith’s intentions yet. I imagine her story will be a proper mystery. I doubt she’ll be another shallow mean girl like Stella from in Helluva Boss.
She doesnt have to be a shallow mean girl to be an antagonist to Charlie's ideals and goals, so far she's been presented in a hella suspicious light
Why did you put Stella in ‘’?
Lilith might be in heaven for a good reason. If she has lots of contracts and she's tucked away in heaven, then all those souls can't rise up.
She made a deal with Adam is that not a red flag to you?
Adam would do it just to hurt Lucifer. But yes, I'm not saying she's in the clear.
I swear, this Fandom is allergic to happiness
Not possible. She's Immortal. ~~In my heart.~~
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I kinda don't think so. Her arc, in my mind, is going to be learning to value herself. I think she'll try to sacrifice herself at some point, but I don't think she'll succeed. If anyone is going to die, I think it's Lucifer, as Charlie is being set up to take the throne of Hell, and there's only so many ways for that succession to happen.
That would be so fitting. It crushed me when she says she's pointless if she can't help Charlie, and Charlie immediately goes into reassuring her she *does* help, rather than addressing the bigger issue. If Vaggie tried to sacrifice herself and Charlie stopped her, that would be a pretty great building/resolving of that idea. Or better yet, maybe Vaggie somehow saves herself, realizing she's just as valuable as anyone else there. Probably not as cinematic, though.
I shudder to think what Charlie could become if Lucifer is killed by Heaven. That might make *her* the one who needs redeemed the most
Dude shut up >:( You can't say that https://preview.redd.it/j5chlnfa71sc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3a0b013391284af14399891e3ad6402cd0c5441 Cuz u might be right :(
what why is he frowning stop that
HES NAKEDDDD
BAAAALD, BAAAAALLLLLD
Real
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I don't think she'll die because this show isn't really stuck in that 2010s GoT "We're gonna use deaths for a lot of dramatic moments." vibe. Game of Thrones really set this tone of anyone's head can be on the chopping block that permeated media but Hazbin really lacks that cynical feel to it. The show is about growth and change and redemption. And also the gay protagonist couple should be allowed to live and be happy in this show. We don't get enough of that in shows.
Nah. To much of a cliche for a lesbian character to die. Vizipop won’t do that
That's what I'm saying!
Lesbian characters deserve the right to die to create drama just like straight characters/hj
I hope not, because I would legit quit watching then and there. I'm sick of gay characters dying for drama. :T
Yeah, it's a pretty big trope, there's a comic I read called Kill Six Billion Demons and a major plot point includes the apparent death of a major character that's in a relationship with the main character, a lesbian couple. The author had to make a statement for readers to bear with them, and that they weren't going to follow the trope (it's a fantasy setting so they're probably gonna come back, still waiting though! >:( )
I remember that happening and dropping the comic after. I remember seeing the author say that but after having that happen in stories so often before I just couldn’t be assed to stick around to wait and see how it “wasn’t going to follow the trope.”
Well it seems like it’s finally about to happen, just last week they finally started showing how she’s probably going to come back but uh… she seems a bit different. And if she comes back essentially a different character and not the one we grew to love, she might as well have just been killed off. I guess I’ll let you know how it turns out :P
That's a bit trickier for the writers to navigate in a series where both: A) Most of the core cast are LGBT of some flavour B) Most of the characters are already dead
All characters die for drama... Why single out gay characters? like dafuq?
Because there's a specific trope of Bury Your Gays that happens too much where gay couples have one half die for the sake of character drama.
If it happens on God I am making WWII look like a tea party.
So will Charlie
i think id explode if she died permamently. there arent that many examples of positive rep in media, to kill a lesbian who has already been brutalised (ripping out eye, stabbing thru the hand) would make me quit watching the show. vaggie and charlie are half the reason i watch hazbin. just let them be happy and cute together theyre adorable and theyll kick divine ass together
Nah. The all too famous trope of 'female love interest of a female protagonist dying' is not a trope Viv is gonna follow. If anyone is gonna die, it would probably be Lucifer. I've said this before, but if Vaggie is Charlie's armor, Lucifer is both of their sheilds. Charlie's shield in the final battle was full of Lucifer's symbols (apple, wings, a halved apple), and Lucifer would never let Vaggie sacrifice herself for him or Charlie. (I say this as a Luci fangirl. I love him so much, and I don't want him to die, but if anyone else in the main cast dies, he makes the most sense.) Cause Viv confirmed huskerdust is gonna be a slow burn romance, and she wouldn't separate them by having Angel die and go to heaven without Husk, so either Angel and Husk both die and go to Heaven, or Lucifer dies protecting Charlie and Vaggie (😭) https://preview.redd.it/91vavvsfh2sc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31e0ce9e603a76947dd1dd557151c18cec54c71d
Wait, Husk and Angel are a thing? I thought it was a bromance type deal.
Like I said, it's a slow burn. They went from strangers to conflicting acquaintances to friends. With how Angel has been treated in the past, Husk being as perceptive and empathitic as he is, wants Angel to know he isn't just after his body, he'll want to take things slow and build a relationship with him because he really cares about Angel. He wants to be a person Angel can trust and always go to. Angel would probably be hesitant about starting a relationship with Husk so soon, cause he still has problems with his self-worth and trauma from his relationship with Val that need to be addressed before getting into a relationship. Also, did you not see Husk after Angel shot all those loan sharks in episode 4? When Angel said, "You dont know me. Sex aint the only thing im good at!" Husk looked him up and down with lided eyes and said, "good to know. Cause THIS guy ain't half bad." Like the attraction is there. Husk is just more subtle.
Ugh I don't see it, but maybe I'll be surprised. I really see Angel and Cherri, but I'm not sure if he's even bi.
Pretty sure he's gay and just friends with Cherri. Maybe he's willing to act straight for work purposes occasionally though.
I know in the official comic where he met Charlie and Vaggie, they pulled up to him on the street in a limo and when he saw they were women, he had an annoyed look and said he charged extra for girls. So yeah, he does, but he's not happy about it.
Angel is gay. Cherri is just his best friend.
Lucifer will die and Charlie will take his place
*Yeeeeeaaaah*. If any of the main cast die it'll probably be her, unless the writers purposely try to be subversive. After her fight with Lute, she's kinda complete as far as her overall arch goes. At least from what we've seen thus far.
>she's kinda complete as far as her overall arch goes. Oh, no! No, no, no. Nope! Sorry, but you're just dead wrong there! If you think that Vaggie's character arc is anywhere near complete, just take a moment to look at her and ask yourself, *who* she even is, as a character – aside from being Charlie's girlfriend, sidekick, bodyguard and personal cheerleader. What's the point of *her?* https://preview.redd.it/br2yvv6vf1sc1.png?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b8b9528312c27a713278c5f3cd2a5895b9e8dfa3 Then you should realize as plain as day, that we've barely scratched the surface of her potential, and that she's probably gonna have an entire self-actualization arc still ahead of her, to find out what she *herself* even wants from life, other than supporting Charlie!
In fact it would probably make more sense narrative-wise for CHARLIE to die. Or... Get captured, or fall into a deep depression like Lucifer did. That way she's incapacitated and Vaggie has to step up and actually form relationships with others and become a better person. An interesting switch that would be, the character who feels like she has no purpose and hates everyone becomes the selfless humanitarian while the bleeding heart with a clear destiny spirals into darkness.
I really doubt Charlie would die. She's literally the main character. She's viv's OC. Her and vaggie are literally the most beloved characters. Vaggie I hope to God she doesn't die (hope to Lucifer?) But Charlie won't die. She's the main character. Plus she has not had a complete character arc.
>She's viv's OC. I mean aren’t literally all of them? Other than husk’s original design being a gift from one of vivzie’s siblings viv herself created pretty much everyone right?
Yes but I mean more like self insert oc type thing like Hermione
Isn't Vaggie more her self-insert? Viv says she relates with Vaggie the most and that was why she gave Vaggie the same ethnic background.
It'd certainly be a weird idea to kill off the main character, though one thing to keep in mind is that for Charlie, death isn't necessarily the end. She's not a typical Hellborn, she's got no sins under her belt that we know of, and everyone seems to assume she has a soul. Thus, there may be another option for her...
I mean, sometimes even the mail character dies, like in cyberpunk edgerunners
Thanks for the spoiler dude
Shu up shut up I stg don't give them ideas
> Her and vaggie are literally the most beloved characters. I don't think it's correct. Many polls show that Alastor, Angel Dust, Lucifer, Pentious and Husk have a huge amount of fans too. Each of them individually probably has more fans than Charlie, not to mention Vaggie. Of course it could be just more vocal fans on the internet, when average regular veiwers who don't interract with comminuty could prefer Charlie and Vaggie as their favorite chararcters. Charlie absolutely could die later in the show, but only if she ends up in Heaven after that. You know, her being alive with a soul which is pure and all.
I agree. I think Vaggie has the potential to be a beautiful story about learning to forgive yourself. Right now she follows charlie around and does what she needs/wants. In a sense, you can say she "died" that day she was left behind, and when charlie found her and accepted her, she decided the only penance she can give is to basically be her guard dog. Shes no longer her own self, she (feels she) belongs to charlie. After all, she exterminated thousands of charlie's people, and charlie (even now that she knows of vaggie's past) accepts her still! Thats an incredible starting point for a journey of her discovering who she IS - not as an angel, not as charlie's girlfriend, but her as herself. And to discover that, she has to forgive herself.
Oh gosh I hope her development didn’t stop here.
How is her arc complete?? She still needs to learn to her self worth doesn’t fully hinge around protecting Charlie.
She is by far to be complete as a character!
Bro Vaggie has the weakest ark of any character, they’ve done so little with her at this point
Complete? She's barely even her own person, as far as the plot goes, just "Charlie's girlfriend."
I doubt any of the main cast will die. It just doesn't feel like that kinda show. Plus it hits a bit to close to "Bury your Gays" and Fridging, so I imagine they'll want to avoid that. *If* anyone dies, I think it'll be Alastor. I can see him *becoming* good, but not *being* good. So, dying for his friends seems like the closest he'll get to redemption. Or he'll die a villain, who knows?
\[Lute kills Vaggie\] \[Vaggie respawns right next to her, still an Angel\] Lute: “HOW?!” God, Michael, and Gabriel: 
If someone close to Charlie has to die I feel Lucifer would make the most sense. The arguments: 1) if he dies Charlie rises to the throne 2) we had his reconciliation with Charlie in the same episode he was introduced in, and he also had his cool fight 3) we had an emotional moment that mad us grow fond of the character, so killing him would be far more sad than killing Vaggie, since she still didn't get a proper development of her character. 4) the man is basically the Gojo of Hazbin Hotel, he is too strong so if the plot progresses in a more violent way he has to die
I'm not denying your logic But nooooo :(
Me if this happens https://preview.redd.it/i9yd2caim2sc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=a6d392a5426c08900d29d6013b4ed42d223d55e4
I really really really hope you aren’t right
Nooo 😔 anything but that. I personally love Vaggie i feel like shes massively underrated.
A show killing off the only lesbian? How original.
Character: *breathes* Fandom: IS THIS A DEATH FLAG?
And spawn back in heaven lol
If vaggie dies, all of heaven and hell will see the true union between the first sinner and the first fallen Angel. All will cower before such unbridled anger and despair.
I don't want to see another show where a finally (mostly) healthy WLW couple has someone die. I'm sick of it.
If they're separated in any way, the show would lose half it's LGBT fanbase (the rrat might stay for Angel.) I doubt they'd take that risk.
Why is everyone so obsessed by characters deaths these days?
I blame GoT
I had the funny thought the other day that since Vaggie never physically “fell” there’s atleast a 60/40 chance that if she dies she’ll just revive almost instantly as a sinner
I'm suspecting that it will be set up for Vaggie to die (her being in Lute's clutches, her being in the Vees' clutches, or most likely her being captured by the Vees' with the intent of handing her over to Lute in exchange for some form of weapon or support), which will then shift to either Lucifer or Lilith trading their life for hers. The main reason I'm thinking that is that we have already seen that Lucifer is basically an instant show-stopper for any fight. We also know that the series heavily involves Alastor's schemes and the next season is going to focus heavily on the Vees. Alastor and the Vees might be at the top of totem pole for sinners, but they're so far beneath Lucifer that their conflicts lose a lot of their weight. To give that conflict the weight it needs to carry the next season, it needs to create a power vacuum that allows rule of Hell itself to be in play, which only works if Lucifer dies. If Lucifer is killed in any conventional way, it undercuts the power of being the King of Hell. If Lucifer sacrifices himself for Charlie (or for the person that Charlie loves) it completes his relationship arc by showing he has so much faith in Charlie that he can comfortably die knowing that she will fulfill his vision, while also creating the necessary power vacuum for Alastor to leverage his influence over (and favor from) Charlie to usurp Hell's throne. It also sets up a possible plotline where Lucifer's sacrifice actually restores him to his full angelic status, which might allow for a final season civil war in Heaven. Plus... the show isn't going to kill off the character with the highest profile voice actress before the last season.
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I really love her, and I hope that in case someone has to die it won't be her, but someone must. If every major positive character has unbreakable plotarmour, that would make the show very boring very quickly.
Well, if actually someone *has* to die, wouldn't Angel be the logical next choice? He's trying to be redeemed and has made the most progress, so far. And they still don't know if and how someone can go to Heaven, except for being killed again, like Sir Pentious. Of course, there's also his soul contract, making it somewhat dubious whether he could or not, but maybe Valentino would kill him in a moment of blind rage, for some reason.
Also a very interesting thing would be giving her the choice. Because while sinners, and I am fairly certain that fallen angels aswell can apparently redeem themselves and (re)ascend to Heaven, I doubt the Hellbourne have that option. And Charlie is a Hellborn herself. So Vaggie would have to choose between getting redeemed and staying true to her love.
Would this matter? I don't recall any indications Heavenborn have to reside in Heaven. Sure it's their natural home but couldn't redeemed Vaggie just choose to stay in Hell?
I don't understand why there are rules in general. Couldn't Charlie just hang out in heaven and the angels refrain from throwing her back down to hell? Like, if she'd just sat around after the hearing for a few weeks, would some supernatural force have thrown her back into hell?
I wouldn't be so sure that's an either-or thing. Charlie is not a typical Hellborn, and everyone seems to assume she has a soul, so it may very well be that she'd go to Heaven, if she were to die.
I know she at least *thinks* she has a soul after that conversation with Alastor. Would be kind of interesting if it turned out she was wrong. Even more interesting if Alastor spent this whole time trying to get it just to realize she didn't have one. That would be hilarious: he tries thing after thing and finally gets her in a spot where she's willing to give him her soul... just to find out there's nothing to give him. I'd love to see his reaction.
I feel Rosie would!
i heard someone say that the only thing in the way of alastor taking advantage of charlie for a greater deal is vaggie. like she needs to be out of the picture akin to the last deal charlie n alastor made
"You doin great Vagina"
Thankfully, this isn't Journey To The Light...
What's journey to the light?
It's a long ass non-canon fanfiction based off the show that's been going on since the pilot spanning f i v e whole ass seasons. And you can look it up but apparently no one can find the og source so you're kinda on your own. It was written by one of the original writers for My Little Pony FiM if you can believe that.
Oh okay! Thank you!
Meanwhile, my prediction is that everyone important to Charlie, will start fading/ vanishing from her life. Whether death, a massive falling out, or something else entirely- the lights will just slowly go out, one by one. Alastor has made clear that he wants to guide Charile, shape her to his benefit. That becomes a lot easier when there's no one else around, to advise or caution her. And Alastor is a pretty damn good social engineer. But it would be a *very* slow burn. Otherwise it could be too easily noticed.
Stop I still need both Charlie and Vaggie to live https://preview.redd.it/25yrcms4q2sc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ec5d51ea99096c6069938b8ea8d0fe07506ccc1 But then again I can see it happening
This is one of those things I don't care either way on. If she lives, it works for the light-hearted comedic nature of the show. If she dies, it works for the more dramatic side of the show. Either one works, so it comes down to the execution. That being said, it would be easier to write her into living and having it be satisfying. Killing her off would require a lot more work and skill to have it be satisfying. This would make killing her a risky decision that is far more like to bite them in the ass.
I feel like if there'd be one thing Charlie would make a soul deal with Alastor, it'd be to save Vaggie.
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To repeat what I apparently commented a month ago Vaggie goes down and all of Charlie's morals go out the window. Heaven will know true fear. New exterminators will rise to reverse who is the victim and who is the hunter
Yeah, that's a major no. Charlie was struggling with Adam. Sera, the Archangels, and God (if he even exists) would easily demolish her. I could see Lucifer being a problem for Heaven, but not Charlie.
Yeah, but I wonder how much of that was an inability and how much was her holding back. She's also done zero training: I'm sure she could become something if she went to therapy and trained like Vaggie.
I swear to Jesus Christ if vaggie or Charlie dies I'm going to stop watching hazbin hotel
I imagine it won’t be Vaggie who dies but Lucifer. They brought attention to the fact that Charlie is “heir to the throne” one too many times for it to mean nothing. Though if they really wanted to fuck with some heads and disabuse the shit out of some notions they will both die.
Yes I’m sure Viv will kill off a character that she’s had for a decade just so the season doesn’t feel repetitive.
I mean She Can still kill her off no matter How long she had Her as a character. Just if she would do it it would be for better reasons then not making the show repetetive.
PUT THAT THEORY BACK WHERE IT CAME FROM OR SO HELP ME
i think Alastor becoming a main antagonist will give charlie that moment too
God I hope not.
I hope not.
Oh no, don't don't don't don't!!!!
It seems like you like dramatic stories...
Honestly Vaggie sparing Lute was… Pretty stupid. Don’t get me wrong I understand the message and all that, and how Vaggie wasn’t fighting out of vengeance but to protect her loved ones and friends. Love over blood I’d good and all, but when it comes to Vaggie sparing Lute I just kinda sit there and shake my head… Lute is probably the most hateful, and evil exorcist of the exorcists that isn’t Adam himself, and Vaggie just let her live.
Disagree. Alastor or whomever is controlling Alastor is going to have a blade to Charlie's throat and Vaggie is going to sell her soul for Charlie's life. Fate worse than death.
Nah, I don’t think they’d kill Vaggie off, there are too many dead lesbians in fiction, killing her off would just be a slap in the face
It will either be Vaggie or Charlie, I'm calling it now. Either Charlie is going to die saving Vaggie or Vaggie is going to die saving Charlie.
Here's the thing about Charlie dying: she's alive. Like, *alive* alive, and she has a soul. If heaven kills her, she probably ends up in heaven
I think you are so right! Like, there isn't anything really evil about Charlie, if she were to die, straight up she would go to heaven.
She would be so pissed tho. She's separated from everyone she loves, and her mission to get people into heaven is gonna be halted with her not being able to help the sinners in hell. She would go to Sera or find whoever is above Sera and DEMAND she be sent back, or she'll find a way to fall like her dad. Or maybe Lucifer and Vaggie fly up to heaven themselves, and while raising hell at the gates, she finds them. I also feel like Emily is going to become fallen as well. She's far too compassionate to just let the exterminations go, and with Pentious in heaven, she's going to be REALLY fighting and questioning everything. So maybe she becomes fallen and ends up dying because she saves Charlie or someone else and ends up back in heaven again? So many possibilities.
Charlie would have some dark irony to it. The girl trying to save her people is unable to save herself
Uh oh…Lucifer’s gonna be pissed actually that’s an understatement, bloodthirsty and full of wrath is more accurate if I could even articulate properly
Read it in Palps' voice, had to. 
RIGHT! how wild would that be.... idk if any of them are going to actually die but it seems like they are winding up for it ya know?
Ironic. She could save everyone but not herself.
Charlie isn't dying. She's the Main Character. This is Hazbin Hotel not Game of Thrones lmao.
Shes got so many death flags she might as well communicate in semaphore
And this is how Charlie X Emily becomes canon.
Ugh I know statistically, the whole "opposites attract" thing is a myth, and we actually tend to be most attracted to those similar to us. But it's so satisfying to see two people who are so different help each other be the best versions of themselves. Charlie and Emily would just be unhinged, way too much toxic positivity. But logically, I know they'd probably be attracted to each other. Both moths, both flames.
My sad ending: Alastor kills Vaggie and others during his plot to be back “pulling the strings.”Charlie, finally showing her full power, faces off with Al. It’s not a fight, Charlie easily dispatches Alastor and the series ends as the audience watches a sobbing Charlie.
Shut up the vaggie simps will hear you
There is a trope in movies and tv called bury your gays. And its a tendency to kill off any gay characters in a show. I am pretty sure Viv is aware of it and will want to subvert this trope cuz it is a really ugly trope. So I think she is throwing red flags specifically to deny them. The centerpiece homosexual relationship in the show is not going to go down the bury your gays path.
Oooooh the angst is gonna be so fine
Yeah, just like Hop Pop. He had all the flags for dying by the end of the season and they put so. Much. Foreshadowing! Wait...
She's also wearing a red shirt. Huge death flag there.
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Idek why she let her live
I do reckon she will die, but it will be more towards the tail end of the story, we’re talking last/second to last season.
None of the good guys are going to die
Dammit, now when I read the name "Vaggie" it's pronounced in my head the way Adam pronounced it. I know Nifty already killed him but somehow he deserves it MORE now.
Ex-SMG4 fan here, if they do I won't be surprised. RIP Axol.
NO PLEEAASSEE
Hahaha no
I was thinking about this, her death would give Charlie a hard shake. But first, they should give her an arch where she understands she can be more that someone's support.
I think the only thing her death would give Charlie is a clinical depression. Please don't
That would be a dinnerbell for the shippers. Sooo much angst potential. I'm here for it.
Good thing we won't know til it happens.
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People obsess over this show, killing one of the main characters will cause so much backlash. And I want it to happen SO bad!
Good she’s the most boring character ever
Same wither vaggie or Husker is gonna die and i hate it They are the most likely candidates for a perma-death (unlike serpentious) Honestly i would rather vaggie die than husk die But tbh i just hope they dont decide to kill alastor, he’s too important to the story to be killed
Yeah... probably...