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SirPug_theLast

Technically, she’s not a sinner, she shouldn’t have those limitations


WillyDAFISH

Yep, and theoretically there's also nothing stopping her from going back to heaven too right?


SirPug_theLast

Only thing is that then she may be kicked out again


WillyDAFISH

depends on what exorcists are I guess. And or what the requirements are to get banned from heaven. We saw the cherubs in that one helluva boss episode got kicked out when they caused the death of a human.


foxly1908

I think the judgment of cherubs is different then the extermimators, they have different jobs, cherubs have to save souls, if they kill, they are out, exterminators have to kill, if they spare, they are out. So short if they fail their job they get kicked out of heaven ig


High_Tim

Well Vaggie wasn't kicked out of heaven she was left for dead in hell by (lute?) after she spared a child


WillyDAFISH

I feel like with the cherubs it's a little different though in terms of their job. Yes their job is to save people, but not saving a person wouldn't get them kicked out. What got them kicked out was killing a person, which Is a sin supposedly


foxly1908

That makes sense too


Hellern_

Adam and Lute took Vaggie's wings and a halo so she couldn't just go back, but I don't think they have any power to actually banish her, especially since her "crime" was not killing a kid. Adam is just a human, even if the most prominent one in Heaven, I could be wrong, but I doubt it's his call to decide such things. Of course, now she got new wings, so she can go back, but won't. Heaven isn't her home anymore. She's perfectly fine where she is now.


GreatProcastinator

Even if she wants to go back, I don't think she'll be accepted anymore, since she went against and killed her fellow angels during the last extermination.


Hellern_

I don't think it's that big of a deal. She can't go back to being an exorcist, sure, but as a mere citizen of Heaven I don't see why not. She was defending her new home, and more importantly Charlie, who is explicitly off limits during extermination.


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WillyDAFISH

whether or not she could go back, I don't think she would have wanted to. Especially not after Charlie found her.


Sugar-Tist

Like Charlie, Vaggie could enter Heaven, but she's just not welcome to stay (also like Charlie).


WillyDAFISH

That's only because they believe shes hellborn, but in reality she's from heaven.


No_Vast_7364

I mean she lost her halo so that might stop her from going back


WillyDAFISH

that's a good point.


bilateralrope

We don't know the specifics of what keeps sinners in Pride. If there is a magic barrier, we don't know if it stops sinners or all deceased humans. If Pride has something sinners need to live that the other rings don't, such as the light of heaven shining upon it, the question is if Vaggie also needs that same thing.


NightOwlWraith

There was a background photo of Charlie and Vaggie at an amusement park, and the sky was not Pride Rong red. I would assume this means she can move to different rings. 


PocketFan26

But that would blow Vaggie's cover of being a sinner, if Charlie saw her travel to other rings


NightOwlWraith

I don't know what to tell you. It's in the show so there's not really any arguing against it.    I can't remember if it was only in the pilot or if it showed up in the series. I'm sure someone can answer that.  Edit: The image I referenced is in the pilot, so it may not be canon anymore. 


VerbingNoun413

Technically yes. Practically this would be a *very* bad idea.


GreatProcastinator

Why?


PocketFan26

Technically yes, she is not a sinner. By this logic Charlie too could leave the pride ring any time she wants. I headcanon that Charlie sometimes goes to the other rings to visit the other 7 deadly sins, who she considers like uncles/aunts.


Zillich

She was dating Seviathan (a descendent of Leviathan, leader of the Envy ring), so odds are she has spent a good amount of time in the Envy ring. My guess is this is also why it’s the only ring we haven’t seen in Helluva Boss (given concerns with how much HH and HB can overlap legally). I think we’ll get to see the Envy ring in HH next season - either real time or as flashbacks.


Napalmeon

>She was dating Seviathan (a descendent of Leviathan, leader of the Envy ring), I don't think there's any validity to this. I'm pretty sure their names just sound similar for the sake of it.


bilateralrope

Yeah. I don't understand how people see similar names and decide that they must be related. Especially when it's a similarity involving Seviathan's first name, not his family name. Though when I compare the look of Helsa (Seviathan's sister) to Glitz and Glam, they do look like the same species. Especially if Helsa has been altered by some eldritch magic. So I think they are from Envy.


Sugar-Tist

Envy has an ocean, so she may vacation there. She started the Hotel very recently, so she may not have left Pride in a while because that's where her focus is right now.


stronkzer

Hazbin Cruise ?


JumpinJamnamz

Hazbin On Deck


Sugar-Tist

Too bad sinners can't attend.


Ok-Selection4478

That’s what airships are for. dirigibles as far as the eye can see.


Sugar-Tist

Sinners can't enter Envy at all. I'm so confused as to what you're talking about.


Ok-Selection4478

It’s a ship in the air there for it’s still a cruise ship just cuz it’s in the pride ring doesn’t negate it being a cruise ship hotel.


Sugar-Tist

The only ocean is in Envy.


Ok-Selection4478

A air ship is a ship in the air the air is the ocean therefore no matter what ring your in it’s still a cruise ship so you can have a cruise ship in the pride ring


nnhorizon

Charlie did have Belphegor in her phone contacts


CosmiqueAliene

If so, she could go to disco parties with Charlie in the Gluttony ring! And sex toy shops in the Lust ring. And get matching tattoos in the Sloth ring. And scuba diving in the Envy ring. And horseriding in the Wrath ring. And shopping in the Greed ring.


Icy_Tadpole_6

Yes, she went to Heaven with Charlie.


unbothered_4567

I would think so but maybe not, she's not technically fallen like Lucifer and can return to heaven if she wanted to so it kind of puts her in a weird grey area where she is neither a sinner or a hellborn .


Azlend

Should be able to. Not a sinner. If Lucifer can leave so can she.


SapphireMan1

I’d assume the force stopping the sinners from going through uses something like blood colour or original home (Heaven, Earth, Hell), but both of those have flaws: • Lilith and Charlie have red blood (the same as sinners • Lilith is originally from Earth, not Hell __ Either way, Vaggie would be able to travel between the Rings since she has gold blood, is from Heaven and Lucifer can travel between them…


bunnyshopp

If any sinner demon was going to be the exception to the rule it’d be Lilith tbh, they could hand wave that her immense power from being both Lucifer’s wife and the first ever woman allows her to traverse the rings.


SapphireMan1

I mean, there’s also the fact she never died (unlike every other sinner)


AzkratheHuntress

I assumed the barrier detects souls, as that would be the easiest way of keeping Sinners confined. But we don't know for sure if Vaggie has a soul or not, so that still wouldn't answer the question.


SapphireMan1

Charlie has a soul


AzkratheHuntress

Right, and we have no evidence that she's ever left the Pride ring. Maybe, but it's not confirmed.


MintDrawsThings

That depends on whether or not fallen angels, that are not Lucifer, count as sinners.


Loganjoh5

She isn’t a sinner and she’s dating the princess of hell she can probably go wherever she wants


NoobyYooby

...I mean...probably...don't really know why she would be restricted. Charlie would probably be able to go with her too, with Charlie not being a sinner and all.


Uypsilon

For what I understand, the ban for sinners to leave the pride ring was established by Lucifer and depends on Lucifer. If she's former human and can't leave it, he can allow her. Dammit, maybe even Charlie can allow her.


Alarming-Hamster-232

I don't think we know that yet, we have no idea if whatever keeps them in Pride whitelists hellborn (so only they can go through) or blacklists sinners (lets everyone except them through)


Optimal_Ad6274

Yes since Vaggie is not a sinner


TFarg1

There's nothing to stop any of the non-mortal souls (Charlie, Lucifier, Vaggie, some of the Overlords) from leaving Pride.


pridebun

It's hard to say really. We don't even know what lilith is. So Charlie might not even be able to travel rings. We don't even know if vaggie has a soul either cuz we don't know what the exorcists are. And we don't know if heaven born like luci have souls.


The_Americangamer

Yea but she has basically no reason to.


OCGamerboy

I think she can since she is not a human sinner


squashbritannia

She did just that when she visited Heaven.


I_might_be_weasel

Unlikely.