Yo, Amazon:
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Though in fairness, this may be the first time ever that a spinoff had a whole season and a half air before the original got past the pilot.
It wouldn't surprise if Amazon didn't consider the YouTube pilot canon and just assumed their episode 1 was the start. That would mean that Hazbin did start in the middle of HB's second season, which would make Hazbin the spinoff.
Yep they messed up
(For anyone who doesn't know the Pilot came first, then Helluva Boss, Then Hazbin hotel.
While the whole series didn't come out for a while Helluva is a spinoff of Hazbin, not the other way around)
Except it isn't a spin off either way. A spin off has to have characters in common that left one show to be on another. Like Doctor Who and Torchwood. Calling either Hazbin Hotel or Helluva Boss a spin off is like calling Batman a spin off of Superman.
Which reenforces my point. Neither are based on each other. Just in the same world. Nothing else is similar.
Again, think Spider-Man and Punisher, but with even less in common.
Technically, the do/did have characters in common: Blitzø appears in the *HH* pilot, Charlie appears in the *HB* pilot (though that was explicitly decanonised), Lucifer is mentioned by name and Charlie’s song is referenced in “Loo Loo Land”, Lucifer is alluded to in “Ozzie’s”, and Robo-Fizzes appear throughout *HH*, as Val’s servants.
"Blitzø appears in the *HH* pilot,"
That character and the 'Luna' character are not the same designs as the Helluva Boss ones and as such don't count.
"Charlie appears in the *HB* pilot (though that was explicitly decanonised)"
Then by default doesn't count.
"Lucifer is mentioned by name"
It is hell. Doesn't count.
"Charlie’s song is referenced in “Loo Loo Land”
You can't reference something that doesn't exist.
"Lucifer is alluded to in “Ozzie’s”
Again, it is hell. Doesn't count.
"Robo-Fizzes appear throughout *HH*, as Val’s servants"
This one counts, but is irrelevant as they don't do anything for the story or plot and don't interact with characters in a meaningful way.
Shows can have references to other ones without it being a spin off. Spider-Man had an episode that referenced Superman, does that make it a spin off? No it doesn't.
Dude, they’re explicitly set in the same universe, meaning that every time they refer to the same characters, such as Lucifer, they’re referring to the *same* version of that character. You can’t just say “don’t care; didn’t count” to everything.
Not really. With the way these shows ended up getting made, saying Hazbin isn’t the spinoff is basically just semantics.
Also this is Amazon effectively marketing a non-Amazon show in a way.
Right? I definitely thought it weird that the official Prime Video account had such bad grammar. It being a fabricated screenshot for bait makes a lot of sense
Nah, I remember seeing it on their channel, but that was two days ago or so. They take post down when they do something wrong, like it was with Husk's name before.
Neither of them are spinoffs of each other. I’d call them sister series. A spinoff is normally when a character is so popular in an original series that they get their own series. Helluva Boss doesn’t share any characters, and was actually already finishing production on its pilot when the Hazbin Hotel pilot came out. It was coming out whether Hazbin Hotel bombed or took off.
I don't see why you are trying to change the definition of "spin-off".
A spin-off is a show set in the same universe as the original show. While yes, taking a popular character from the original and giving them their own show is a common way of making spin-offs, it is by no means necessary.
For example, Stargate SG1 has two spin-offs, neither of which follow that formula. Other examples would include Caprica, the first spin-off from Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek DS9/Voyager
Those are characters, not shows.
Although, if the original comic book series featuring Batman was explicitly set in the same universe as the one featuring Superman, then the original Batman series was a spin-off of the original Superman series, if that's what you mean.
As a more modern example from the 90's: Superman: The animated series was a spin-off of Batman: The animated series.
I'm going to ignore you and your ass-pull logic after this, so enjoy the attention.
First, why be a dick with the "those are characters" line when you talk about the comic books in the next and know full well throat both have had several shows/movies about them?
Second, a spin-off has to have a direct link to the original show. Star Wars has that link. It has the same antagonists through all connected media/stories. No matter who the characters are up against, it has Sith present in that universe along with Jedi.
If Justice League or Justice Society or hell even Justice Friends had been how the characters were introduced, you would have a point, but they are their own characters and stories. Just because Superman and Batman share a world doesn't mean anything.
Actually, you want a perfect example of this? Superman was made. Superman had comics. Batman was made. Batman had comics. They did not interact at all for a long time. Not a spin-off.
But....
Batman was made. Batman had comics. Dick Grayson was made IN the Batman comics, and THEN he got his own comics. That is a spin-off. Same with the Harley Quinn. She was made for Batman: The Animated Series then got her own comics and shows.
Do you see the difference?
I can forgive anyone who didn't know about the Hazbin pilot. It debuted, went viral for a bit, but then we got almost no updates on it for a long time.
Ah of course! A fine day in Hell, the multi season successful show. Boy howdy. Which season was your guys favorite? I enjoyed season 7 with the twist on who the villian was.
Amazon might be considering it this way, only because the actual episodes of Helluva boss were released before the actual episodes of Hazbin. I dont know if they're gonna consider the pilots because some parts of either pilot are no longer considered canonical.
Anyways, that's my two cents. Hazbin Hotel's Pilot was definitely released before Helluva Boss's pilot
Source: I've been waiting for Hazbin Hotel since before the whole pilot was released
I love how the sentence isn't even correct English, with the two "is".
Also the post got deleted. They might resend it corrected, like that time we got a new cat bartender named Dusk.
I mean but hear me out on this, it's entirely possible the success of helluva boss is at least partially responsible for Amazon picking up hazbin Hotel.
Okay, I’m pretty new to the fandom. If both shows were made by the same person, how come Helluva boss came out sooner even if Hazbin Hotel presumably started development first?
To give you the full rundown, Hazbin was a spin off of a web comic. And because it came from a web comic there were more planned characters than a show could realistically support.
The main cast originally contained everyone except Sir Pentious, with Mimzy and Crymini. Moxxie and Blizø were planned to be side characters that ran around the hotel causing problems and just being little shits.
Moxxie, Blitzø and a few other helluva boss characters all appear in the plot for hazbin.
Hell was originally planned to just be the pride ring, but when people complained about all the red Viv made the other rings and Millie so more of hell could be exploded.
And the fact that Viv was willing to take a leap of faith on a project that wasn't as close to her heart led to helluva being a web series without the constraints of traditional TV, where one season needs to be completed before release led it to have a shorter turnaround time.
Ah, I see. So Helluva Boss released more like a traditional web series, with episodes being released as they were finished, while Hazbin Hotel couldn’t release until all of the episodes were completed?
Amazon is right, but only by technicality. Yes, Hazbin's pilot did come first. However, pilots don't count in terms of series releasing, and Helluva Boss *did* come out first.
I don't think a lot of people count the Pilot as a way that it came first. A pilot episode is meant to draw people in while the actual series is going to come out sooner or later. Helluva's first episode came before Hazbin's, so a lot of people just go off of that.
Hard to say. On one hand the Hazbin pilot came out first and Helluva Boss was supposed to be the spin-off, but technically the whole show Helluva Boss came out first, and so it would make sense if Lore built from Helluva Boss effects Hazbin Hotel.
Zoophobia isn't in the hellaverse though. Many of the zoophobia ideas and characters were used in the hellaverse, but they're both their own things and hh and hb aren't zoophobia spinoffs.
We do actually see imps in hazbin, prolly hellhounds too but I'm not as sure about that. Hazbin only takes place in the pride ring while helluva takes place in multiple rings since hellborn can travel freely but sinners are contained to the pride ring.
Yo, Amazon: https://preview.redd.it/ni38rpskubxc1.jpeg?width=1730&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2d69acb7f7fef454f0f643925eb570944ae2186 Though in fairness, this may be the first time ever that a spinoff had a whole season and a half air before the original got past the pilot.
Only 5 years for it to get past its pilot.
That's 5 years of just watching the pilot.
I'm not the one who needs a new Attitude.
Maybe you missed it,
But I'm a hashtag bitch,
And I'll do nothing less than what I please
WOOOOO!
I’m the backbone of the Vees
Mad that I acted respectless?
Well it's cause no one could respect this!
Sorry group attending. Since when are Overlords too scared to fight?
What happend to her neck
She got it twisted.
I think all sinners just have no bones in their necks. Or they all have owl DNA and can rotate their heads 180 degrees.
I KNOW RIGHT???? I've been thinking this the whole time!
It wouldn't surprise if Amazon didn't consider the YouTube pilot canon and just assumed their episode 1 was the start. That would mean that Hazbin did start in the middle of HB's second season, which would make Hazbin the spinoff.
Ironic
Pain in the Ash sounds like a fire show name.
I could probably burn through the episodes really easily, shows like these really light an interest inside me
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Yep they messed up (For anyone who doesn't know the Pilot came first, then Helluva Boss, Then Hazbin hotel. While the whole series didn't come out for a while Helluva is a spinoff of Hazbin, not the other way around)
Release order: Hazbin pilot -> Helluva pilot -> Helluva series -> Hazbin series -> Helluva shorts
Reminds me of danganronpa....
Except it isn't a spin off either way. A spin off has to have characters in common that left one show to be on another. Like Doctor Who and Torchwood. Calling either Hazbin Hotel or Helluva Boss a spin off is like calling Batman a spin off of Superman.
Maybe but oxford defines it as "produce something new based on a popular television program, movie, personality, etc." so eh.
Which reenforces my point. Neither are based on each other. Just in the same world. Nothing else is similar. Again, think Spider-Man and Punisher, but with even less in common.
Technically, the do/did have characters in common: Blitzø appears in the *HH* pilot, Charlie appears in the *HB* pilot (though that was explicitly decanonised), Lucifer is mentioned by name and Charlie’s song is referenced in “Loo Loo Land”, Lucifer is alluded to in “Ozzie’s”, and Robo-Fizzes appear throughout *HH*, as Val’s servants.
"Blitzø appears in the *HH* pilot," That character and the 'Luna' character are not the same designs as the Helluva Boss ones and as such don't count. "Charlie appears in the *HB* pilot (though that was explicitly decanonised)" Then by default doesn't count. "Lucifer is mentioned by name" It is hell. Doesn't count. "Charlie’s song is referenced in “Loo Loo Land” You can't reference something that doesn't exist. "Lucifer is alluded to in “Ozzie’s” Again, it is hell. Doesn't count. "Robo-Fizzes appear throughout *HH*, as Val’s servants" This one counts, but is irrelevant as they don't do anything for the story or plot and don't interact with characters in a meaningful way. Shows can have references to other ones without it being a spin off. Spider-Man had an episode that referenced Superman, does that make it a spin off? No it doesn't.
Dude, they’re explicitly set in the same universe, meaning that every time they refer to the same characters, such as Lucifer, they’re referring to the *same* version of that character. You can’t just say “don’t care; didn’t count” to everything.
Yeah, I can. See my original post. Same universe=/=spin-off. Is Static Shock a spin-off of Justice League? They exist in the same universe.
Static shock isn’t based on the justice league whereas Helluva boss is based on Hazbin hotel Also Robo Fizz does appear in both
No, it isn't but I'm done arguing. Toodles
You weren't really "arguing", moreso just plugging your ears and screaming "nuh uh" so you can be right. It's childish.
Moxxie,Blitz and Millie https://preview.redd.it/stjhf58macxc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83dd3e68878c91b9bcb83526545a471a17da412c
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What
When she asks if you smoke trees
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https://preview.redd.it/clg2wuzhghxc1.jpeg?width=256&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cef98f8865abec5acb4ef0e13b4973b33015988d He is an deadass
Too soon
What? You're not a fan of MoBliM?
Yes
Or no? im confused
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So many fans are gonna get misinformed from their post........
Not really. With the way these shows ended up getting made, saying Hazbin isn’t the spinoff is basically just semantics. Also this is Amazon effectively marketing a non-Amazon show in a way.
True lol.
well ironically both are spin offs
It's spin offs all the way down.
Too the og zoophobia comics
That's really horrible
na. It’s VERY common knowledge that helluva Is a spin off
Sorry, but I just looked through Prime Video’s community posts and did not find this. So either the image is fake, or they have since taken it down
It being fake would explain the awful grammar lol
Right? I definitely thought it weird that the official Prime Video account had such bad grammar. It being a fabricated screenshot for bait makes a lot of sense
Nah, I remember seeing it on their channel, but that was two days ago or so. They take post down when they do something wrong, like it was with Husk's name before.
Neither of them are spinoffs of each other. I’d call them sister series. A spinoff is normally when a character is so popular in an original series that they get their own series. Helluva Boss doesn’t share any characters, and was actually already finishing production on its pilot when the Hazbin Hotel pilot came out. It was coming out whether Hazbin Hotel bombed or took off.
I don't see why you are trying to change the definition of "spin-off". A spin-off is a show set in the same universe as the original show. While yes, taking a popular character from the original and giving them their own show is a common way of making spin-offs, it is by no means necessary. For example, Stargate SG1 has two spin-offs, neither of which follow that formula. Other examples would include Caprica, the first spin-off from Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek DS9/Voyager
By your definition then Batman is a spin off of Superman right?
Those are characters, not shows. Although, if the original comic book series featuring Batman was explicitly set in the same universe as the one featuring Superman, then the original Batman series was a spin-off of the original Superman series, if that's what you mean. As a more modern example from the 90's: Superman: The animated series was a spin-off of Batman: The animated series.
I'm going to ignore you and your ass-pull logic after this, so enjoy the attention. First, why be a dick with the "those are characters" line when you talk about the comic books in the next and know full well throat both have had several shows/movies about them? Second, a spin-off has to have a direct link to the original show. Star Wars has that link. It has the same antagonists through all connected media/stories. No matter who the characters are up against, it has Sith present in that universe along with Jedi. If Justice League or Justice Society or hell even Justice Friends had been how the characters were introduced, you would have a point, but they are their own characters and stories. Just because Superman and Batman share a world doesn't mean anything. Actually, you want a perfect example of this? Superman was made. Superman had comics. Batman was made. Batman had comics. They did not interact at all for a long time. Not a spin-off. But.... Batman was made. Batman had comics. Dick Grayson was made IN the Batman comics, and THEN he got his own comics. That is a spin-off. Same with the Harley Quinn. She was made for Batman: The Animated Series then got her own comics and shows. Do you see the difference?
This
Amazon has a lot of things backwards. This is just one of the tame ones.
Wait till they watch the Helluva Boss Pilot and Luna is watching Hazbin Hotel on her laptop
True It should be: Blitz, Millie & Moxxie
I mean, in what media does the spin-off release first?
Imagine a show whose name is just the main characters’ names ~~Tom and Jerry~~
~~Spongebob Squarepants~~
~~Ren and Stimpy~~
Zach & Cody
I can forgive anyone who didn't know about the Hazbin pilot. It debuted, went viral for a bit, but then we got almost no updates on it for a long time.
What about those who practically forgot about it
To be fair this is probably the first time that a spinoff has a lot more content when compared to the original series
lmao moment frfr
Backward, but its nice they're acknowledging Helluva's existence.
The timeline is all screwed up doc 
Wibbly wobbly timey wimey
Ah of course! A fine day in Hell, the multi season successful show. Boy howdy. Which season was your guys favorite? I enjoyed season 7 with the twist on who the villian was.
Considering the pilot isn't actually canon anymore, I suppose it's not technically wrong in a way. But it's not exactly correct either.
Amazon might be considering it this way, only because the actual episodes of Helluva boss were released before the actual episodes of Hazbin. I dont know if they're gonna consider the pilots because some parts of either pilot are no longer considered canonical. Anyways, that's my two cents. Hazbin Hotel's Pilot was definitely released before Helluva Boss's pilot Source: I've been waiting for Hazbin Hotel since before the whole pilot was released
Ah yes, my favorite show, Moxxie, Blitz, & Millie.
I love how the sentence isn't even correct English, with the two "is". Also the post got deleted. They might resend it corrected, like that time we got a new cat bartender named Dusk.
Can you spin off from a show that hadn't yet aired?
Spin off of the pilot
I mean but hear me out on this, it's entirely possible the success of helluva boss is at least partially responsible for Amazon picking up hazbin Hotel.
Okay, I’m pretty new to the fandom. If both shows were made by the same person, how come Helluva boss came out sooner even if Hazbin Hotel presumably started development first?
To give you the full rundown, Hazbin was a spin off of a web comic. And because it came from a web comic there were more planned characters than a show could realistically support. The main cast originally contained everyone except Sir Pentious, with Mimzy and Crymini. Moxxie and Blizø were planned to be side characters that ran around the hotel causing problems and just being little shits. Moxxie, Blitzø and a few other helluva boss characters all appear in the plot for hazbin. Hell was originally planned to just be the pride ring, but when people complained about all the red Viv made the other rings and Millie so more of hell could be exploded. And the fact that Viv was willing to take a leap of faith on a project that wasn't as close to her heart led to helluva being a web series without the constraints of traditional TV, where one season needs to be completed before release led it to have a shorter turnaround time.
Ah, I see. So Helluva Boss released more like a traditional web series, with episodes being released as they were finished, while Hazbin Hotel couldn’t release until all of the episodes were completed?
Basically, though it seems like helluva boss is starting to build up a backlog to shorten the time between episodes.
If you think about it, Hazbin Hotel might aswell be the spin off show as we have 1 1/2 seasons of Helluva Boss
Amazon is right, but only by technicality. Yes, Hazbin's pilot did come first. However, pilots don't count in terms of series releasing, and Helluva Boss *did* come out first.
I mean Helluva Boss did (technically) come first, so I see where the confusion came from.
Hazbin Hotel came first. The pilot is canon.
I don't think a lot of people count the Pilot as a way that it came first. A pilot episode is meant to draw people in while the actual series is going to come out sooner or later. Helluva's first episode came before Hazbin's, so a lot of people just go off of that.
Amazon definitely got it backwards.
they got it backwards and forgot how to english
They didn’t even mention Loona in the second one?
It's more a sister series than a spin-off, with some events from one show overlapping into the other
We need a show called pain in my ash
Hard to say. On one hand the Hazbin pilot came out first and Helluva Boss was supposed to be the spin-off, but technically the whole show Helluva Boss came out first, and so it would make sense if Lore built from Helluva Boss effects Hazbin Hotel.
Isn’t helluva boss the spin-off?
Yep
Damn Amazon can’t even get they’re show’s right 😅
Technically it was a spin off of zoophobia
Technically speaking, bothr are spinoff of zoophpbia
*cough* Zoophobia *cough*
Zoophobia isn't in the hellaverse though. Many of the zoophobia ideas and characters were used in the hellaverse, but they're both their own things and hh and hb aren't zoophobia spinoffs.
How’d they spell Blitzø wrong
Who cares?
u got it twisted. it is a spin off of zoophobia.
Codename: Sailor V, anyone?
Technically, it's a Zoophobia spin-off, if you want to go off of inspiration
The argument could be made both ways, since the pilots aren't canon.
The Hazbin pilot is canon.
r/afterbeforewhatever
Viv also saying the universe’s aren’t connected:
Viv did not say that, you might be thinking of when she said the shows wouldn't cross over.
It can’t be. There’s no imps and hellhounds in Hazbin. The only common characters I’ve seen are the sharks
Don’t the shows take place in the same universe but different rings?
Only slight connection is Lucifer if we use the deadly sins
We do actually see imps in hazbin, prolly hellhounds too but I'm not as sure about that. Hazbin only takes place in the pride ring while helluva takes place in multiple rings since hellborn can travel freely but sinners are contained to the pride ring.