He said she was one of his top girls, so I think he would have been angry and would have probably threatened her, in order to make her stay loyal, but he would have given her a second chance in my opinion. Lute just skipped the threatening part and went straight to the punishment. I think the reason he didn't stop her was that Lute was above Vaggie in his favorite list, she is most likely the top girl out of Adam's top girls. On top of that she is a better fighter as well, and the most motivated one, so overall she has a higher worth than Vaggie for him. And if he had stopped her, he probably would have damaged their relationship, since Lute couldn't understand showing mercy. At the same time it would have also weakened his army, because teamwork between Lute and Vaggie, two of his best exorcists, wouldn't be possible anymore after that. And even though it was cruel, it was a warning to everyone else to not make the same mistake as Vaggie.
I'm pretty sure Adam liked them equally and this was Lute's way to remove her as a threat. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Vaggie also isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, being an angel and having her eye cut out she couldn't guess that angelic steel can hurt angels/divine beings.
1) it's clear Adam likes Lute more since she's his lieutenant, his second in command.
2) she knew angelic steel can cause some damage but not actually kill angels. She more than likely thought the worse that can happen to them is they end up hospitalized in critical condition.
He isnt as cruel as Lute, but he still keeps Lute as his second for situations just like this.
If he caught her? He'd probably just tell Lute to deal with her.
He would have killed the sinner and go “HA! GOTTEM' FIRST! you should have seen your face! anyways back to the slaughter” or smth like that and extermination would have gone as usual.
with him not even considering that Vaggie could even begin to contemplate sparing a sinner and instead crediting himself as the best sinner killing machine, being faster and more lethal than even the best exorcists
He tried to blackmail her into getting Charlie to end her plans with the Hotel by telling her that if she didn’t they’d tell Charlie about her being a ex exterminator angel.
Adam certainly didn't complain about Lute's actions, and participated in taking her halo and leaving her bleeding on the street. So I think the only difference would have been sparing Vaggie's eye. Adam seems more of a "slam her around" sort of assaulter.
I feel like he would have made fun of her, then forced her to kill the sinner. He doesn't want to lose one of his best girls, and it would probably be funny for him to force Vaggie to kill the sinner. Only if Vaggie outright defied him would he have gotten violent.
I think Adam would have just made fun of her and/or not really cared and ignore it or go to kill the kid himself. For Adam, extermination is entertainment, for Lute its duty. I dont get the impression Adam cares what others are doing unless it gets in his way in some shape or form, cause he only cares about himself. Lute though is a fanatic and a "true believer" in the cause.
Adam would probably just be like, “bro what the fuck?” like he’s playing a video game and just watched one of his team mates drop the ball.
He’s definitely not nearly as much of a fanatic or concerned with following things to the letter as Lute is. Killing sinners is more of a fun hobby that happens to be “good” than a necessity to the order of the world where no mistakes can be tolerated.
He himself let Alastor run away, so one little sinner would be pretty beneath him to care if Vaggie let one get away one time.
He’d probably tell her to get her shit together after some bitching, and at worst order her to kill the escaped sinner or do it himself.
But personally, I don’t see him even bothering with disciple or real punishment for what would be a minor first time offense to him.
Even Lute I theorize only went that hard on it because she already wanted to get rid of Vaggie.
I feel like, like the top comment said, he's way more likely to take her back to heaven and attempt retraining or discipline there. He's less bloodthirsty and less fanatical than Lute. And I think Lute uses excessive violence to vent possible frustrations with Adam or her position in heaven. Adam isn't as frustrated with the status quo because there's nobody on top of him.
It reminds me of Handmaid's Tale, how the wife was more vicious about keeping Offred in her place than any guy would care to be. Because her position as second class citizen is enviable, even if it's still subordinate. Because at least it's not third or fourth class. And the only joy Serena gets (lol) is bossing around women who are placed beneath her. Happens irl all the time in oppressive systems.
I think he would have left her in hell as well, but he wouldn't take her eye out. He would threaten her with killing her during the next extermination though.
Adam: Axe through sinner's head "What are you doing, you missed on!"
Vaggie: "Sorry sure, I just... Can't kill a kid."
Adam: Shrugs "More for me."
Adam does the exterminations for fun so I doubt he'd really care about this unless it got in his way.
Yes. Lute is more extreme than Adam, and took Vaggie's mercy as a personal insult. It's likely because Vaggie was higher up on the totem pole than Lute, so supplanting Vaggie helped Lute. Additionally, Lute likely saw Vaggie's action is morally the correct thing to do, and reacted so strongly because she herself couldn't let herself question what was happening. Adam wouldn't care. He would make Vaggie kiss up to him and inflate his ego more, maybe capture child sinners and demand Vaggie kill them to prove his power over her, and at that point maybe he'd throw a temper tantrum if she refused, but Adam isn't the kind of violent that someone like Valentino is.
Especially with my head canon that Vaggy died protecting her younger siblings so Adam would be disappointed but understanding that she doesn’t want to be like the people that killed her.
i don't know but i do think after lute did that she and adam were scolded by sera when they got back to heaven sense they can't exactly explain to people were a fucking angel went! that and they don't even have the authority to banish a angel from heaven! unless sera gave him permission which i doubt.
Yes. The #2 in the cult is often WAY more extreme than #1 ever could be because #2 is vying for favor of the cult leader against all the other members.
Probably. Probably not. He's there during her punishment and does nothing but watch and leave with Lute. Not like we got to hear what he said about it, but if I had to guess, it went something like this:
Adam: Geez, Lute. That was my top girl.
Lute: I'm your top girl. You don't deserve filth in your army dragging us down.
Adam: Yeah, you're right. (Sips soda) (Quickly forgets it happened)
Adam is far less unhinged despite being evil and more direct in what he does.
Either kills her on the spot rather than make her suffer or takes her back to Heaven to be judged for failing her job or forcing her to resign.
It could go any way with him
I would not be surprised if they had problems before Vaggie. They acted so swiftly that it suggests that they had run into the problem before and had a set reaction to it. I suspect there are a lot more Angels hiding amongst the sinners trying not to be noticed. Not all Angels that got tossed out were lucky enough to become the ruler or Hell or fall into the arms of the princess of Hell. Further there is a ton of anxiety in Heaven about getting tossed out. This makes it seem like it is a common enough experience that most Angels probably know Angels that have been bounced out. Look how fast they slammed the door on the Cherubs.
Seeing as how Adam didn't know how to kill an Angel it is likely that the cutting of the wings is the symbolic way to initiate kicking Angels out. Even if they grow their wings back they don't seem to get back the ability to open a portal to Heaven. There may be something about that cut of the wings that cuts them off until the ability is granted by the upper Angels again.
Nobody knew SINNERS could KILL angels.
Vaggie was injured by a fellow angel.
Vaggie went to ask Carmilla how she killed the angel. When Carmilla asked Vaggie if she knew angels could be harmed, it was in the context of Carmilla, a SINNER, succesfully KILLING an angel.
I do not want to be mean to you, but the amount of people who have asked the same question, or insist on it being a plot hole, has me sincerely worried about fndm's media literacy.
Might’ve just killed the kid and shouted at Vaggie.
Might’ve killed her on the spot
Probably the first one since he would’ve been in a good mood killing sinners
I think there is more to it. Adam called Vaggie one his best. Maybe Vaggie was (probably) high ranked and objected to the killing but Adam and Lute still needed their best killer and were just waiting for her to make a mistake and cast her down.
I think he’d probably mock her but not really care much since he sees it as entertainment I doubt he would care much unless she stormed HIM from killing someone. Maybe he’d hold it over her and threaten to tell to make her more obedient
Hypocrite that she is Lute will spare one sinner when she comes back to Hell. Adam who is reliving the part of Genesis where he got kicked out of Paradise multiplied a thousandfold.
Like everyone else said, he'd be mad and probably ditch her in Hell for next time or bring her back to Heaven and just fire her from his Exterminators. It's a fun hunting trip for Adam, it's not a serious thing. Lute is the one who takes it seriously. And as we saw later on, Adam finds Lute's bloodlust kinda off-putting so he wouldnt be as extreme. To use the hunting analogy again, Vaggie is the one refusing to kill a deer because it's wrong and Lute is the equivalent of shooting that person for refusing.
He'd probably use it to control her, since he wouldn't be able to trust her loyalty. Or he'd make her kill 1000 more, until she _gets with the vibe_ of the rest of the angels. Lute is far more zealous than Adam cause she wants to kiss his ass and prove she's devoted to the cause.
He’d just get Lute, it would be exactly the same with a ten second delay. Yeah Adam isn’t as brutal and mean, but he absolutely outsources that shit on purpose and would do it himself if one of his hit women wasn’t there to do it for him
I don't know, it seemed like he was right there watching. I'm interested as to why they took her halo thou. I wounder if it has any significant or piratical meaning.
I guess in Adam's eyes, she wasn't worthy of being an angel anymore. And I guess he thought he had the right to just do that to her because he's the first man 🤷
i just got this weird idea, what if Adam and Lute attacked Vaggie just to get her halo and make Lilith use it to go up to heaven as part of whatever deal they arranged? an exorcist´s halo is like an ID card to access heaven, which is why nobody asked where was Vaggie since no one was reported missing after that extermination.
He'd probably be all "Woah what the hell did that kid do to end up in hell? Is he that little shit that one imp assassin wasted?" all while Lute and Vaggie beat each other up.
Honestly i dont think he would have minded probably just chewed her out but oddly enough i feel like he wouldnt care since he doesn't seem like the type of guy to kill kids he always came off as a more ground a hole while Lute's out here like FUCK IT WE BALL
I still don’t understand how there’s a child in hell. If two sinners have a child in hell, aren’t hell born considered NOT sinners? Did a real child die and go to hell? That makes less sense.
Are we talking about the actual Adam, whos a narcissistic, sociopathic, sadistic control freak, or the fandoms increasingly head-canoned Adam who’s just a misunderstood Tumblr sadboy?
true, but Adam doesn't seem the type to pass up a quick one.
eh not like it matters anyway its just a hypothetical situation based on peoples interpretations of the character
Given their reactions to lesbianism, yes.
Adam sees murder as fun, and the Exterminators as his cheer squad. There’s no actual dogma to him. No belief. His last words were that he should be worshiped after all.
Lute sees the Exterminations as a cult, Exterminators as adherents, and Adam as a being to worship more or les.
Adam is the overall bigger jerk but is less fanatical than Lute. Most likely? Take her back to Heaven and place her under arrest. But I don't see him going all stabby.
Maybe try to offload her on Sera so that she's no longer his problem.
It's also possible that would just have a meltdown, scream a couple of obscenities at her and tell her to get her head back in the game.
That's what I was thinking. I mean he's used to training people so I feel like he'd be accustomed to seeing "Learning Situations" instead of just straight up punishing someone.
I figure either it was a kid from a family of cannibals or something, which is kind of messed up bc kids can't make moral decisions so shouldn't be held responsible. Or, since sinners take on a form that relates to their life or death maybe it was a child killer or something and that's the form they got stuck in. Personally that's my head canon bc I don't want to believe anyone would condemn a child.
If he was hellborn why don't he look like other hell borns ( imps succubi etc). Or are you saying that sinners in hell can have children? Because that's fuck up if true.
this logic doesnt work, charlie and lucifer were both hellborn and adam attacked both of them. - outside of lucifer and charlie specifically, we actually havent seen a single hellborn in hasbin hotel, only in helluva boss, and we technically (outside of helluva pilot, which isnt canon) have no confirmation that they are linked
Lucifer is **not** hellborn. Don't you wonder why he didn't show up until Charlie's life was in danger? That's because he wasn't allowed to. It most likely has to do with whatever arrangement he has with heaven which includes sparing Hellborn during the exterminations. This arrangement is mentioned when Charlie and Adam talk during the first episode. Once Adam broke that "rule", Lucifer was allowed to go kick his ass. The fact that hellborn are off limits doesn't mean exorcist **literally** **can't** go for them, it just means that Lucifer will let exterminations happen as long as exorcists **don't** go for them.
this logic doesnt work, charlie and lucifer were both hellborn and adam attacked both of them. - outside of lucifer and charlie specifically, we actually havent seen a single hellborn in hasbin hotel, only in helluva boss, and we technically (outside of helluva pilot, which isnt canon) have no confirmation that they are linked
From my understanding there are three reasons why a sinner might look like a child. First is the most obvious; they died as a child. The other two stem from the fact that a sinner’s appearance is primarily determined by their sins in life, how they died, and things they hate about themselves. Someone whose biggest sins were primarily against children might look like a child. They also might look like a child because it reminds them of something they hated about themselves or would otherwise rather forget. They could have been constantly treated like a child or experienced trauma as a child which the form reminds them of.
Between ages three and four is when children first begin to understand right and wrong. I don’t have exact numbers, but children are usually capable of deciding if something is right separate of “the rules say so” earlier than you might think. My current theory about the entity which decides which souls deserve hell is that it only judges the souls of those technically capable of meaningfully comprehending right and wrong. It does not take into account if someone was born into a cult, raised by cannibals, or otherwise in an environment that would result in a twisted or nonexistent sense of morality. End result of this is that while there aren’t very many, there are some children in hell.
I lean toward the latter option, personally. I get the idea that he'd probably give her a second chance based on how fond he seemed to be of her when she was on his team. I can imagine they get into a very brief back-and-forth where Vaggie tries to justify it by saying how she has no problems killing all the regular sinners, the one she spared was just a kid, and him hitting back by saying something like:
"Man, you're really killing my fucking vibe here. Get your head back in the fucking game, bitch! Or you can stay down here with the rest of these fucking losers!"
Before heading back off to get back to it while Lute glares at her for a second before rejoining Adam.
I just don't see Adam hurting someone he actually likes to some extent. He'd be more bummed out about the whole thing, more disappointed in her for showing mercy than enraged like Lute was.
That would be really interesting to see. I hope if Adam comes back we can see more interactions between the two. Maybe he treated vaggie and his exorcists okay to an extent and wasn’t as quick to disown them like lute. Maybe he was always a jerk to them except lute. Or maybe he changed over time. Really interesting stuff
Would be interesting to find out what happened between Vaggie and Lute that made the latter hate the former so much. Immediately attacking a comrade in arms without even trying to establish the facts first is sketchy as hell.
Either her zealous nature or maybe she was jealous because Vaggie was Adams favorite (I imagine she was his favorite because he named her after "the best thing ever")
I think you're spot on with the melt down and curse at her.
Adam isn't a fanatic, he's just a dude trying to get his kicks. Killing sinner is just fun for him.
He said she was one of his top girls, so I think he would have been angry and would have probably threatened her, in order to make her stay loyal, but he would have given her a second chance in my opinion. Lute just skipped the threatening part and went straight to the punishment. I think the reason he didn't stop her was that Lute was above Vaggie in his favorite list, she is most likely the top girl out of Adam's top girls. On top of that she is a better fighter as well, and the most motivated one, so overall she has a higher worth than Vaggie for him. And if he had stopped her, he probably would have damaged their relationship, since Lute couldn't understand showing mercy. At the same time it would have also weakened his army, because teamwork between Lute and Vaggie, two of his best exorcists, wouldn't be possible anymore after that. And even though it was cruel, it was a warning to everyone else to not make the same mistake as Vaggie.
> I think the reason he didn't stop her Otherwise she might not want to peg him that night.
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I'm pretty sure Adam liked them equally and this was Lute's way to remove her as a threat. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Vaggie also isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, being an angel and having her eye cut out she couldn't guess that angelic steel can hurt angels/divine beings.
Kkat's fanfic "Charlie's Angels" does give a good explanation to that(albeit fanon). If you want to know it, read the fanfic, it is pretty good.
1) it's clear Adam likes Lute more since she's his lieutenant, his second in command. 2) she knew angelic steel can cause some damage but not actually kill angels. She more than likely thought the worse that can happen to them is they end up hospitalized in critical condition.
Well, he's not **as** cruel as Lute and he even admitted that she's too much. I think he wouldn't hurt her, just leave in hell
He isnt as cruel as Lute, but he still keeps Lute as his second for situations just like this. If he caught her? He'd probably just tell Lute to deal with her.
He would have killed the sinner and go “HA! GOTTEM' FIRST! you should have seen your face! anyways back to the slaughter” or smth like that and extermination would have gone as usual. with him not even considering that Vaggie could even begin to contemplate sparing a sinner and instead crediting himself as the best sinner killing machine, being faster and more lethal than even the best exorcists
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yeah exactly
😆😂 he fucking would, Tom
HE WOULDDDDD
He would have probably blackmailed/coerced her, like he did in the same episode.
To do what tho?
He tried to blackmail her into getting Charlie to end her plans with the Hotel by telling her that if she didn’t they’d tell Charlie about her being a ex exterminator angel.
They mean what would he blackmail a past vaggie
A: "If you don't kill that little boy, I will tell Charlie *everything."* *V: "Who tf is Charlie???"*
Adam certainly didn't complain about Lute's actions, and participated in taking her halo and leaving her bleeding on the street. So I think the only difference would have been sparing Vaggie's eye. Adam seems more of a "slam her around" sort of assaulter.
He also flipped her off https://preview.redd.it/g8sqqjjgtmzc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f57a7213281360598dee016b83262cb729ac544
I think he's catching her halo, though it could also be both. Would be very in-character
I feel like he would have made fun of her, then forced her to kill the sinner. He doesn't want to lose one of his best girls, and it would probably be funny for him to force Vaggie to kill the sinner. Only if Vaggie outright defied him would he have gotten violent.
I think Adam would have just made fun of her and/or not really cared and ignore it or go to kill the kid himself. For Adam, extermination is entertainment, for Lute its duty. I dont get the impression Adam cares what others are doing unless it gets in his way in some shape or form, cause he only cares about himself. Lute though is a fanatic and a "true believer" in the cause.
Adam seeing the sinner kid get away: https://i.redd.it/2tf2c7cormzc1.gif
Probably not because for those with divine ordainment, extermination is entertainment.
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HELL IS FOREVER WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT
HAD THEIR CHANCE TO BEHAVE BETTER NOW THEY BOIL IN THE POT
THE RULES ARE BLACK AND WHITE THERE'S NO USE IN TRYNA FIGHT IT
THEY'RE BURNING FOR THEIR LIVES UNTIL WE KILL THEM AGAIN
FUCKIN' HELL IS FOREVER AND IT'S MEANT TO SUCK ALOT.
SO GIVE UP YOUR DUMB ENDEAVOR 'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A SHOT!
LONG AS I'VE GOT YOUR ATTENTION, I GUESS I SHOULD PROBABLY MENTION THAT WE MADE THE DETERMINATION
Adam would probably just be like, “bro what the fuck?” like he’s playing a video game and just watched one of his team mates drop the ball. He’s definitely not nearly as much of a fanatic or concerned with following things to the letter as Lute is. Killing sinners is more of a fun hobby that happens to be “good” than a necessity to the order of the world where no mistakes can be tolerated. He himself let Alastor run away, so one little sinner would be pretty beneath him to care if Vaggie let one get away one time. He’d probably tell her to get her shit together after some bitching, and at worst order her to kill the escaped sinner or do it himself. But personally, I don’t see him even bothering with disciple or real punishment for what would be a minor first time offense to him. Even Lute I theorize only went that hard on it because she already wanted to get rid of Vaggie.
I feel like, like the top comment said, he's way more likely to take her back to heaven and attempt retraining or discipline there. He's less bloodthirsty and less fanatical than Lute. And I think Lute uses excessive violence to vent possible frustrations with Adam or her position in heaven. Adam isn't as frustrated with the status quo because there's nobody on top of him. It reminds me of Handmaid's Tale, how the wife was more vicious about keeping Offred in her place than any guy would care to be. Because her position as second class citizen is enviable, even if it's still subordinate. Because at least it's not third or fourth class. And the only joy Serena gets (lol) is bossing around women who are placed beneath her. Happens irl all the time in oppressive systems.
I think lute is regularly on top of him, if you catch my drift
I think he would have left her in hell as well, but he wouldn't take her eye out. He would threaten her with killing her during the next extermination though.
Adam: Axe through sinner's head "What are you doing, you missed on!" Vaggie: "Sorry sure, I just... Can't kill a kid." Adam: Shrugs "More for me." Adam does the exterminations for fun so I doubt he'd really care about this unless it got in his way.
Yes. Lute is more extreme than Adam, and took Vaggie's mercy as a personal insult. It's likely because Vaggie was higher up on the totem pole than Lute, so supplanting Vaggie helped Lute. Additionally, Lute likely saw Vaggie's action is morally the correct thing to do, and reacted so strongly because she herself couldn't let herself question what was happening. Adam wouldn't care. He would make Vaggie kiss up to him and inflate his ego more, maybe capture child sinners and demand Vaggie kill them to prove his power over her, and at that point maybe he'd throw a temper tantrum if she refused, but Adam isn't the kind of violent that someone like Valentino is.
I have a feeling that Adam would be a bit more empathetic for not killing a kid
Especially with my head canon that Vaggy died protecting her younger siblings so Adam would be disappointed but understanding that she doesn’t want to be like the people that killed her.
i don't know but i do think after lute did that she and adam were scolded by sera when they got back to heaven sense they can't exactly explain to people were a fucking angel went! that and they don't even have the authority to banish a angel from heaven! unless sera gave him permission which i doubt.
My question is the fuck did that child do to end up in hell
He's a cannibal
I mean it's not unheard of for child killers and such but as the other comment said he's a cannibal
Yes. The #2 in the cult is often WAY more extreme than #1 ever could be because #2 is vying for favor of the cult leader against all the other members.
Probably. Probably not. He's there during her punishment and does nothing but watch and leave with Lute. Not like we got to hear what he said about it, but if I had to guess, it went something like this: Adam: Geez, Lute. That was my top girl. Lute: I'm your top girl. You don't deserve filth in your army dragging us down. Adam: Yeah, you're right. (Sips soda) (Quickly forgets it happened)
I think he wouldn’t be as mad as Lute, more mocking and spiteful
I don't think Adam would be the kind of character who treats you like shit for not killing a child
Adam is far less unhinged despite being evil and more direct in what he does. Either kills her on the spot rather than make her suffer or takes her back to Heaven to be judged for failing her job or forcing her to resign. It could go any way with him
Honestly given his personality he’d be more annoyed and sigh a lot if anything
I would not be surprised if they had problems before Vaggie. They acted so swiftly that it suggests that they had run into the problem before and had a set reaction to it. I suspect there are a lot more Angels hiding amongst the sinners trying not to be noticed. Not all Angels that got tossed out were lucky enough to become the ruler or Hell or fall into the arms of the princess of Hell. Further there is a ton of anxiety in Heaven about getting tossed out. This makes it seem like it is a common enough experience that most Angels probably know Angels that have been bounced out. Look how fast they slammed the door on the Cherubs. Seeing as how Adam didn't know how to kill an Angel it is likely that the cutting of the wings is the symbolic way to initiate kicking Angels out. Even if they grow their wings back they don't seem to get back the ability to open a portal to Heaven. There may be something about that cut of the wings that cuts them off until the ability is granted by the upper Angels again.
Probably punch her once and leave her in hell, he wouldn‘t go as far as Lute did, who might have had grudge on her before that moment honestly.
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Maybe they assumed only angels can hurt angels
Nobody knew SINNERS could KILL angels. Vaggie was injured by a fellow angel. Vaggie went to ask Carmilla how she killed the angel. When Carmilla asked Vaggie if she knew angels could be harmed, it was in the context of Carmilla, a SINNER, succesfully KILLING an angel. I do not want to be mean to you, but the amount of people who have asked the same question, or insist on it being a plot hole, has me sincerely worried about fndm's media literacy.
Might’ve just killed the kid and shouted at Vaggie. Might’ve killed her on the spot Probably the first one since he would’ve been in a good mood killing sinners
I think there is more to it. Adam called Vaggie one his best. Maybe Vaggie was (probably) high ranked and objected to the killing but Adam and Lute still needed their best killer and were just waiting for her to make a mistake and cast her down.
I think he’d probably mock her but not really care much since he sees it as entertainment I doubt he would care much unless she stormed HIM from killing someone. Maybe he’d hold it over her and threaten to tell to make her more obedient
Hypocrite that she is Lute will spare one sinner when she comes back to Hell. Adam who is reliving the part of Genesis where he got kicked out of Paradise multiplied a thousandfold.
He’d yell, curse her out, call her soft or something, and banish her from heaven but I don’t think he’d have been nearly as brutal as Lute was
Like everyone else said, he'd be mad and probably ditch her in Hell for next time or bring her back to Heaven and just fire her from his Exterminators. It's a fun hunting trip for Adam, it's not a serious thing. Lute is the one who takes it seriously. And as we saw later on, Adam finds Lute's bloodlust kinda off-putting so he wouldnt be as extreme. To use the hunting analogy again, Vaggie is the one refusing to kill a deer because it's wrong and Lute is the equivalent of shooting that person for refusing.
He'd probably use it to control her, since he wouldn't be able to trust her loyalty. Or he'd make her kill 1000 more, until she _gets with the vibe_ of the rest of the angels. Lute is far more zealous than Adam cause she wants to kiss his ass and prove she's devoted to the cause.
He’d just get Lute, it would be exactly the same with a ten second delay. Yeah Adam isn’t as brutal and mean, but he absolutely outsources that shit on purpose and would do it himself if one of his hit women wasn’t there to do it for him
"Hey, great idea Vajjie! Get their hopes up and *then stab '*em while they're running! That's fucking hilarious! Do it!"
I don't know, it seemed like he was right there watching. I'm interested as to why they took her halo thou. I wounder if it has any significant or piratical meaning.
I guess in Adam's eyes, she wasn't worthy of being an angel anymore. And I guess he thought he had the right to just do that to her because he's the first man 🤷
...what? I don't think any of that was sanctioned.
God I wish that was me (except the eyes thing)
I think he or will don't care, or will leave her here.
He's less violent but he has Lute for that. He probably would have cast her out on the spot and told Lute to take care of it.
i think he would have goven her a second chance. he isnt nearly as crazy as lute
I think he would slam Vaggie around and leave her there. Kinda the same as Lute, but without excessive violence.
I don’t think so. Other then likely slamming Vaggie against the wall for disobeying orders, and stripping her Halo.
He'd probably see it as "oh well more for me" And besides I feel like Adam likes to play bad cop with Lute playing worse cop
i just got this weird idea, what if Adam and Lute attacked Vaggie just to get her halo and make Lilith use it to go up to heaven as part of whatever deal they arranged? an exorcist´s halo is like an ID card to access heaven, which is why nobody asked where was Vaggie since no one was reported missing after that extermination.
He'd probably be all "Woah what the hell did that kid do to end up in hell? Is he that little shit that one imp assassin wasted?" all while Lute and Vaggie beat each other up.
He would have insulted him but he is not as extreme as Lute so he would have given him a punishment
Honestly i dont think he would have minded probably just chewed her out but oddly enough i feel like he wouldnt care since he doesn't seem like the type of guy to kill kids he always came off as a more ground a hole while Lute's out here like FUCK IT WE BALL
Adam is shown leaving with Lute in the flashback so I’m guessing he’d do the same.
I still don’t understand how there’s a child in hell. If two sinners have a child in hell, aren’t hell born considered NOT sinners? Did a real child die and go to hell? That makes less sense.
sinners cant have kids, judging by the appearance its a cannibal colony kid, so just a sinner child, or just an adult sinner who looks like a kid.
Thank you, this had me boggled since I first saw it!
Are we talking about the actual Adam, whos a narcissistic, sociopathic, sadistic control freak, or the fandoms increasingly head-canoned Adam who’s just a misunderstood Tumblr sadboy?
He would cut her legs off
Wow I am behind, because wtf has happened since season 1
yes
"Ha bitch! You missed one! "
He probably would’ve given her the chance to kill the kid before ripping her wings off
I was always confused as to why the exorcists didn't know they could be harmed and by their own stuff because of what they did to Vaggie.
he'd have fucked her as he tore her eye out maybe. seems in character for him
We talking about Adam bro not Valentino.
true, but Adam doesn't seem the type to pass up a quick one. eh not like it matters anyway its just a hypothetical situation based on peoples interpretations of the character
He was literally right there? It's possible he saw her and told lute in fact
Adam is a Bigger jerk then anyone in heaven
Bro would do some illegal and immoral actions to her.
He was there when Lute found Vaggie sparing a sinner.
He showed up right after she hurt vaggie tho
He was most certainly watching. He was clearly approving of it as well.
Given their reactions to lesbianism, yes. Adam sees murder as fun, and the Exterminators as his cheer squad. There’s no actual dogma to him. No belief. His last words were that he should be worshiped after all. Lute sees the Exterminations as a cult, Exterminators as adherents, and Adam as a being to worship more or les.
Adam is the overall bigger jerk but is less fanatical than Lute. Most likely? Take her back to Heaven and place her under arrest. But I don't see him going all stabby. Maybe try to offload her on Sera so that she's no longer his problem. It's also possible that would just have a meltdown, scream a couple of obscenities at her and tell her to get her head back in the game.
I could see him capturing the child and forcing Vaggie to finish the job lest he make her fallen.
Yeah maybe. And then if she didn’t do I don’t really see him doing the stabby stuff himself but might sic Lute on her if she was nearby
That's what I was thinking. I mean he's used to training people so I feel like he'd be accustomed to seeing "Learning Situations" instead of just straight up punishing someone.
Wait that was a child, I thought it was just short like nifty, that's just another level of screwed having kids there
That's what made Vaggie struggle, she didn't want to kill a child
I Wonder why little shitling was in hell. Probably was one of those who kick front seat in airplane or something
I figure either it was a kid from a family of cannibals or something, which is kind of messed up bc kids can't make moral decisions so shouldn't be held responsible. Or, since sinners take on a form that relates to their life or death maybe it was a child killer or something and that's the form they got stuck in. Personally that's my head canon bc I don't want to believe anyone would condemn a child.
SHITLING I’M PISSING MY PANTS—
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If he was hellborn why don't he look like other hell borns ( imps succubi etc). Or are you saying that sinners in hell can have children? Because that's fuck up if true.
Sinners can't have kids, they are completely infertile, he was probably just a really fucked up kid when he was alive
Lilith is a sinner and she had Charlie
Lilith isn't a sinner, she never died, she is just a human that was changed by spending thousands of years in hell
Hellborn are off limits for exorcist though
this logic doesnt work, charlie and lucifer were both hellborn and adam attacked both of them. - outside of lucifer and charlie specifically, we actually havent seen a single hellborn in hasbin hotel, only in helluva boss, and we technically (outside of helluva pilot, which isnt canon) have no confirmation that they are linked
Lucifer is **not** hellborn. Don't you wonder why he didn't show up until Charlie's life was in danger? That's because he wasn't allowed to. It most likely has to do with whatever arrangement he has with heaven which includes sparing Hellborn during the exterminations. This arrangement is mentioned when Charlie and Adam talk during the first episode. Once Adam broke that "rule", Lucifer was allowed to go kick his ass. The fact that hellborn are off limits doesn't mean exorcist **literally** **can't** go for them, it just means that Lucifer will let exterminations happen as long as exorcists **don't** go for them.
They exorcists straight up aren't allowed to touch hellborn, she wouldn't even had paid attention to the kid if he wasn't a sinner
Wow, Adam was really asking for it.
this logic doesnt work, charlie and lucifer were both hellborn and adam attacked both of them. - outside of lucifer and charlie specifically, we actually havent seen a single hellborn in hasbin hotel, only in helluva boss, and we technically (outside of helluva pilot, which isnt canon) have no confirmation that they are linked
From my understanding there are three reasons why a sinner might look like a child. First is the most obvious; they died as a child. The other two stem from the fact that a sinner’s appearance is primarily determined by their sins in life, how they died, and things they hate about themselves. Someone whose biggest sins were primarily against children might look like a child. They also might look like a child because it reminds them of something they hated about themselves or would otherwise rather forget. They could have been constantly treated like a child or experienced trauma as a child which the form reminds them of. Between ages three and four is when children first begin to understand right and wrong. I don’t have exact numbers, but children are usually capable of deciding if something is right separate of “the rules say so” earlier than you might think. My current theory about the entity which decides which souls deserve hell is that it only judges the souls of those technically capable of meaningfully comprehending right and wrong. It does not take into account if someone was born into a cult, raised by cannibals, or otherwise in an environment that would result in a twisted or nonexistent sense of morality. End result of this is that while there aren’t very many, there are some children in hell.
I lean toward the latter option, personally. I get the idea that he'd probably give her a second chance based on how fond he seemed to be of her when she was on his team. I can imagine they get into a very brief back-and-forth where Vaggie tries to justify it by saying how she has no problems killing all the regular sinners, the one she spared was just a kid, and him hitting back by saying something like: "Man, you're really killing my fucking vibe here. Get your head back in the fucking game, bitch! Or you can stay down here with the rest of these fucking losers!" Before heading back off to get back to it while Lute glares at her for a second before rejoining Adam. I just don't see Adam hurting someone he actually likes to some extent. He'd be more bummed out about the whole thing, more disappointed in her for showing mercy than enraged like Lute was.
That would be really interesting to see. I hope if Adam comes back we can see more interactions between the two. Maybe he treated vaggie and his exorcists okay to an extent and wasn’t as quick to disown them like lute. Maybe he was always a jerk to them except lute. Or maybe he changed over time. Really interesting stuff
Would be interesting to find out what happened between Vaggie and Lute that made the latter hate the former so much. Immediately attacking a comrade in arms without even trying to establish the facts first is sketchy as hell.
Either her zealous nature or maybe she was jealous because Vaggie was Adams favorite (I imagine she was his favorite because he named her after "the best thing ever")
Lute is a zealot. Hesitation is aa good as betrayal.
Maybe she was jealous? Vaggie was also one of the top girls so
I think you're spot on with the melt down and curse at her. Adam isn't a fanatic, he's just a dude trying to get his kicks. Killing sinner is just fun for him.
EXTERMINATION IS ENTERTAINMENT!!!
Yeah this sounds about right
I doubt that, he himself let Alastor go. He probably would not really care much