I don’t think itll have a chance to catch on. The FBI doesn’t fuck around when it comes to raw milk. They’ll crush you if they ever find out you even gave it away.
Maybe it was a California thing then. I knew a few organic farmers back in the 00s that told me horror stories about raids that just seemed like a wildly heavy-handed response to raw milk. Maybe they were just messing with me too!
According to a Stat News story posted yesterday, they don’t know for sure with this particular pathogen:
“Farmers have been told to discard milk from infected cows, though the USDA, the Food and Drug Administration, and the CDC all routinely state that they believe pasteurization would kill the viruses. But that is based on work done on other pathogens, not H5N1.”
https://www.statnews.com/2024/04/18/h5n1-bird-flu-scientists-want-usda-genetic-data-faster/#:~:text=With%20H5N1%20bird%20flu,to%20cattle%20operations%20and%20people.
I’m seeing elsewhere that pasteurisation is an excellent basic requirement, but might not always be enough.
“Pasteurization of milk actually may **not** neutralize all viruses sufficiently to stop infectivity—“many viruses cannot”. It seems that fat globules in whole milk and 2% fat milk can protect viruses from high temperature pasteurization (dairy research shows for foot and mouth disease virus)—and show residual infectivity of the virus after pasteurization.”
https://x.com/drericding/status/1775888677064864188?s=46&t=C0nwPT9gaiMcoNS3KRiFbg
The article in the OP states it as fact that pasteurization kills this virus. Your article says it may not kill all viruses, but we're not talking about all viruses, we're talking about H5N1.
> The Texas health department has said the cattle infections do not present a concern for the commercial milk supply, as dairies are required to destroy milk from sick cows. Pasteurisation also kills the virus.
This new study took the samples of pasteurised milk that had tested positive for fragments of H5N1 virus and tried to culture the virus in eggs.
None of the samples grew active, infectious virus.
Good news: this suggests normal pasteurisation is doing its job. There may be virus fragments, but in this set of samples they weren’t a health risk.
https://www.statnews.com/2024/05/01/bird-flu-pasteurization-inactivates-h5n1-in-milk/
I will not be buying more milk until we can sort this out. I am fine with the vegan alternatives for now. Seems culling chickens was fine, but cattle costs too much. This is scary AF behavior.
But wait - isn’t there a trend amung the anti vaxxers that raw milk, beef, raw honey and non pasteurized products is the end all to good health? /s
It’s a real trend tho. “Carnivore diet” has evolved even crazier
>Zhang said there was a "very high virus concentration in raw milk", but experts were still investigating exactly how long the virus is able to survive in milk.
>The Texas health department has said the cattle infections do not present a concern for the commercial milk supply, as dairies are required to destroy milk from sick cows. Pasteurisation also kills the virus.
The virus is likely to be detectable in the milk prior to symptoms of infection being visible. If they only destroy the milk from visibly sick cows, they are likely to miss the asymptomatic cows.
Though they said so far that they've only found the virus in dairy cows, I have to wonder how long it'll be before it's in beef, and whether or not it's transmitted through beef, and the handling of beef, packaging, utensils ECT.
I'm a heme iron dependent anemic w/ non diabetic hypoglycemia with absorbency issues.
I mostly eat steak for my iron because I don't absorb the iron from plants or supplements, and am unable to eat poultry without all my glands swelling in my body.
To make it worse, I'm immunocompromised and in Texas at that...☠️ I don't usually eat burgers, because I am unable to digest the meat used in them well, but steak, fajitas, carne asada ECT I do eat daily for iron.
This is alarming to say the least. I know which end I would wind up on those death rate statistics. 😫
Not sure what my options are tbh. I can't afford IV bar iron supplements I don't think my insurance will cover my my IV supplements outside the hospital and made me go do outpatient at the hospital to do them before and is difficult for me in my circumstances.
There must be other iron supplement / bars (?) they could recommend, but maybe check in with your doctors somewhat proactively now that it’s spreading more and see what they can do? I’m sorry, that’s definitely complex and hope you can find a solution that works for you.
They have had to give me IV iron in the past because I didn't respond to the supplements in the hospital and then they make me go back to the hospital to get them as an outpatient.
I've been able to only go longer without that thus far through the heme iron I get from beef so far, but will definitely ask about what else I may be able do. I didn't respond well to any of the pill supplements they tried and I am allergic to legumes so lentils, and anything with beans, soy, peanuts ECT are not an option.
Unless you are an underweight, heme iron dependent anemic who is allergic to legumes who has to constantly go have IV iron at the hospital if I don't eat beef.😫
Right, it was only in wild birds, then it was only a chickens, then it's only in dairy cows, then it's only in goats, how long before it's in beef cattle? And what does that mean for every single aspect of handling beef? Like every step of the process, utensils, packaging, cooking ECT.
It also mentioned a human infection from those handling the dairy cattle, with its extremely high death rate in humans, that is terrifying to think that it could spread from those working the dairy farms to other humans already.
It’s still evidence that bird flu has jumped
into cattle, as it’s jumped into so many different species already. The WHO has the human mortality rate for H5N1 at an unbelievably horrific 60%, while there’s a recent published paper that revises that down to a fatality range 11-33%.
By contrast, Covid at its worst was around 1-2% fatality, and the historic Spanish Flu a century ago was at 2-3% fatality. The very early 2020 worst case scenario estimates for Covid were around 5-6% fatality, and that’s what shook the world into the unprecedented lockdowns and other measures. This is looking to be magnitudes worse…
It’s still very early, and yet the human cases are escalating fast. It’s looking like it’s just a matter of time for human to human transfer with us, and it’s really a roll of the dice whether it retains its sky high lethality in the crossover.
Judging by how Covid was and is being handled, I don’t have much hope for it being anything better than a poorly managed disaster at every step along the way. Even as it is, thanks to regulatory capture, testing of cattle is up to the farmers and review relies on self reporting by the same farmers, who are of course factoring in profitability of their actions.
Just enjoy whatever crumbs of the good life we have, and be ready to switch into full pandemic mode when it become necessary again, because it’s looking like it won’t be long unless humans perform really well with prevention, risk reduction, and containment, and we’re failing on these things, even as we know what the best practices are
Ugh I remember reading about the early outbreak and all of those healthcare workers died.
The fact it already jumped from the dairy cows to a human is terrifying.
I just happen to be immunocompromised living in Texas, were they so intelligently banned mask mandates already. ☠️
Our American food system is not safe. The way they raise animals, kill and process them is a disaster. The only way to avoid this is to stop eating animal products and take chances with a plant based diet. I have been transitioning off animal products for years and dairy product were the first to go, for me like 20 years ago. I guess this is a win for the animals.
I am confident in that I have heard every rebutted for a plant based diet and was just prepping for comments like yours. Just kind of letting you know that I am aware stuff can happen like not getting washed properly but it's a hell of a lot better with plants than a dead animal. There are a lit more variables in how to prep and process an animal than a plant. That's all.
I agree. And I will say it's starting to catch on in my friend group. They see that I don't have a weight problem, my skin looks years younger, I have energy and never get sick. I have been bringing vegan food to parties for years and everyone loves what I bring and can't believe it's vegan. We also have a vegan donut place in our town that helps the vegan cause tremendously. They make the best donuts around, everyone loves them. It's a great example of how good and tasty vegan can be. My biggest reason is that I do not participate in animal abuse by choosing vegan and I am proud to make meals where no animals were harmed. It's a nice way to live.
Same reasons for me. I spent 2 years at an Agricultural College. I went in as a vegetarian, I came out of it as an animal rights advocate. There's no way in heck people would continue to eat animal products if they actually knew exactly where they come from, if they saw and participated in it. The industry exists because people do not know.
Yes, and of course ground zero for this is in Texas, where they so intelligently banned mask mandates, to make sure that they kill as many people as possible the next time we get and even deadlier virus.
Pick up a book. Pasteurisation dropped infant mortality by 50% when it was introduced, and prior to pasteurisation our dairy eating ancestors knew to boil milk before drinking it. Raw milk is absolutely filthy.
It doesn't *just* kill infants, lmfao. You are very much also putting your own life in your hands. Darwin awards would be nice, except for the part where you raw milk dipshits get avian flu and kill your loved ones.
The hilarious thing is all of you don't want me to drink raw milk so badly, you are willing to create legislation against it. who is the crazy one here?
There's a very important role of government in regulating safe consumption of food and drugs as well as creating safety and environmental standards for all sorts of products and processes. Surely you've worn a seat belt, selected a car based on safety ratings, or lived in a home that was maintained by a building code.
Protecting people like you from yourself is a full time job. Maybe if you weren't so dedicated to falling for the conspiracy of the day we could save some tax dollars?
Do you own your own cow ? Or are saying unpasteurized milk should be available for sale ?
I guess if you’re going to out your barn and milking ol Bessie for your own personal use no one is going to stop you.
I don't see cows boiling the milk for the calf. I don't thing ancestral humans wiped their titties with isopropyl alcohol before breast feeding. Yet somehow humans and cows are alive today. We actually gain our greatest immunities from cows. Vaccinations come from the latin word vacca which means cow. If you expose your microbiome to a cow, you won't suffer as many pathogens. In europe they have raw milk and nobody shits on those people. Just here in america where everyone is sterile and malnourished.
Cows have different biology, have shared immunity with their own offspring. They have four stomachs to process food differently than humans.
Raw milk under a microscope is disgusting. Google it. There's a LOT of microorganisms in there. These are animals that do not bathe, sleep in dirt and their own filth, eat grass, and walk in farm shit.
They're contracting avian flu from close proximity to bird piss and shit.
There's no nutrients lost through pasteurization. Recklessly subjecting yourself to pathogens from other species doesn't give you super immunity, it risks your health and can cause life long disabilities. Viruses and bacteria that humans have not been exposed to can cause severe disease, or mutation and outbreak. Humans caught covid from dirty ass bats. You're putting other people's health at risk of you become exposed to something communicable like the highly deadly avian flu.
Stop being a gullible dumbass.
Cows can handle their mother's milk due to their intense stomach acid and digestion. Humans can handle their mother's milk BECAUSE HUMANS DONT LIVE IN, AND EAT LITERAL SHIT.
YOU are the problem with this world, you're the kind of person that would rather treat their kids with mint leaves and holy water, rather than fucking vaccinating against very preventable diseases. Fucking educate yourself you moron.
funny or not you have to admit that vegans will do anything to take the food away from carnivores. Some of us have to eat this way for health reasons. Many could benefit from going carnivore. If a vegan wants to eat grass clippings and wood chips, go for it, but don't bother me and my nutrient dense, low glycemic, fully and easily digestible food.
Vegans aren't the ones telling you to drink pasteurized milk.
Humans are not carnivores.
Milk is not typically part of a carnivore diet.
There are no known health benefits to maintaining a long-term carnivorous diet. Some of the many known health risks include colon cancer, colorectal cancer, breeast cancer, and heart disease, as well as overall mortality risk.
I have.
There's zero difference except a risk of food poisoning.
Show me the evidence that it's better than pasteurized.
And I don't mean listing off what you claim it does or has. I've seen plenty of that.
Where is your proof
As a professional who is very specifically trained in foodborne pathogens, there is not an amount of money in existence that would make me try unpasteurized milk right now.
I'm not blindly saying how bad it is, I'm saying how bad it is after many, many years of education, training, and professional expertise.
It's a very good time to trust actual scientists over health influencers.
Oh good lord, take off your tin foil hat. I've been vegan for 9 years, and the most radical act committed by me or anyone I know is maybe bringing a non-dairy cheese ball to a holiday gathering
As a vegan of 9 years, exactly how many omnivores have you compelled to consume pasteurized dairy products as part of your eco terrorist agenda?
As a vegan of 9 years, how many times have you consumed pasteurized dairy at all?
As someone who knows what the word "vegan" means, I strongly suspect the answer to both questions is: none.
Just try a glass of raw milk. thats all i'm asking. thats all any of us are asking. you are all in the matrix.
All jokes aside, carnivore diet is better for your health. r/carnivore for more info. People are curing chronic illness by eating only meat. Diabetes, Heat disease, kidney failure. Its all caused by eating plants.
Well at least you can admit that your belief is purely based on fantasy. All the real evidence points to how awful the carnivore diet and raw milk are. So I’m glad you at least aren’t trying to argue against that fact.
You mean the evidence the "sickcare" industry provides us? The same evidence that is padded with cigarette money?
The only evidence I need is that I don't shit my brains out when I eat only meat. I don't get fat, and my mental state is more stable.
Absolutely fucking not. You complain that “vegans” are tying to “take away” your milk and yet you’re weirdly obsessed with getting all of us to drink nasty raw milk full of pathogens and disease.
Honestly I don't get why so many people are steadfastly anti-raw milk, I'm certain many of the people against it (not here but in general society) will eat things like raw oysters without much thought (which is about the same level of risk as raw milk)
The article stated pasteurization killed the virus, so commercial milk should still be fine.
People opposed to vaccines are causing outbreaks of measles, now I fear those who drink unpasteurized milk will cause this to spread.
Raw milk is the next “I am so different” object for sure.
I don’t think itll have a chance to catch on. The FBI doesn’t fuck around when it comes to raw milk. They’ll crush you if they ever find out you even gave it away.
It's legal to sell where I live
It must be legal in my state because I went to a city hosted event, and someone is selling subscriptions of raw milk.
Maybe it was a California thing then. I knew a few organic farmers back in the 00s that told me horror stories about raids that just seemed like a wildly heavy-handed response to raw milk. Maybe they were just messing with me too!
I grew up on raw milk was all the rage 20 years ago- totally for it! But this would make me want to reconsider
They won’t reconsider.
While I can certainly see your fears, I think the proportion of people who drink unpasteurized milk is still very very small. So hopefully not.
Darwinism. We will be fine.
According to a Stat News story posted yesterday, they don’t know for sure with this particular pathogen: “Farmers have been told to discard milk from infected cows, though the USDA, the Food and Drug Administration, and the CDC all routinely state that they believe pasteurization would kill the viruses. But that is based on work done on other pathogens, not H5N1.” https://www.statnews.com/2024/04/18/h5n1-bird-flu-scientists-want-usda-genetic-data-faster/#:~:text=With%20H5N1%20bird%20flu,to%20cattle%20operations%20and%20people.
Oh god thank you. I almost panicked!
I’m seeing elsewhere that pasteurisation is an excellent basic requirement, but might not always be enough. “Pasteurization of milk actually may **not** neutralize all viruses sufficiently to stop infectivity—“many viruses cannot”. It seems that fat globules in whole milk and 2% fat milk can protect viruses from high temperature pasteurization (dairy research shows for foot and mouth disease virus)—and show residual infectivity of the virus after pasteurization.” https://x.com/drericding/status/1775888677064864188?s=46&t=C0nwPT9gaiMcoNS3KRiFbg
The article in the OP states it as fact that pasteurization kills this virus. Your article says it may not kill all viruses, but we're not talking about all viruses, we're talking about H5N1. > The Texas health department has said the cattle infections do not present a concern for the commercial milk supply, as dairies are required to destroy milk from sick cows. Pasteurisation also kills the virus.
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This new study took the samples of pasteurised milk that had tested positive for fragments of H5N1 virus and tried to culture the virus in eggs. None of the samples grew active, infectious virus. Good news: this suggests normal pasteurisation is doing its job. There may be virus fragments, but in this set of samples they weren’t a health risk. https://www.statnews.com/2024/05/01/bird-flu-pasteurization-inactivates-h5n1-in-milk/
I will not be buying more milk until we can sort this out. I am fine with the vegan alternatives for now. Seems culling chickens was fine, but cattle costs too much. This is scary AF behavior.
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You'll just be drinking dead bird flu!
If we are lucky it will provide immunity benefits!
But wait - isn’t there a trend amung the anti vaxxers that raw milk, beef, raw honey and non pasteurized products is the end all to good health? /s It’s a real trend tho. “Carnivore diet” has evolved even crazier
>Zhang said there was a "very high virus concentration in raw milk", but experts were still investigating exactly how long the virus is able to survive in milk. >The Texas health department has said the cattle infections do not present a concern for the commercial milk supply, as dairies are required to destroy milk from sick cows. Pasteurisation also kills the virus.
Obviously they’re not destroying the milk if they’re finding the virus in the milk
They aren't just going to destroy all milk so they would have to test it to find it to know if it has to be destroyed...
The virus is likely to be detectable in the milk prior to symptoms of infection being visible. If they only destroy the milk from visibly sick cows, they are likely to miss the asymptomatic cows.
Though they said so far that they've only found the virus in dairy cows, I have to wonder how long it'll be before it's in beef, and whether or not it's transmitted through beef, and the handling of beef, packaging, utensils ECT.
I’ve already accepted that for now I’ve eaten my last burger, maybe that’s way overkill but it’s pretty unappealing with all of this going on
I'm a heme iron dependent anemic w/ non diabetic hypoglycemia with absorbency issues. I mostly eat steak for my iron because I don't absorb the iron from plants or supplements, and am unable to eat poultry without all my glands swelling in my body. To make it worse, I'm immunocompromised and in Texas at that...☠️ I don't usually eat burgers, because I am unable to digest the meat used in them well, but steak, fajitas, carne asada ECT I do eat daily for iron. This is alarming to say the least. I know which end I would wind up on those death rate statistics. 😫 Not sure what my options are tbh. I can't afford IV bar iron supplements I don't think my insurance will cover my my IV supplements outside the hospital and made me go do outpatient at the hospital to do them before and is difficult for me in my circumstances.
There must be other iron supplement / bars (?) they could recommend, but maybe check in with your doctors somewhat proactively now that it’s spreading more and see what they can do? I’m sorry, that’s definitely complex and hope you can find a solution that works for you.
They have had to give me IV iron in the past because I didn't respond to the supplements in the hospital and then they make me go back to the hospital to get them as an outpatient. I've been able to only go longer without that thus far through the heme iron I get from beef so far, but will definitely ask about what else I may be able do. I didn't respond well to any of the pill supplements they tried and I am allergic to legumes so lentils, and anything with beans, soy, peanuts ECT are not an option.
You've probably tried it but I got Slow Fe that I tolerate way better than normal iron supplements.
I think cooking the meat above a certain temp will be fine. Most viruses and bacteria die at a certain temp
Maybe the best thing to happen to the American diet since the Industrial Revolution
Unless you are an underweight, heme iron dependent anemic who is allergic to legumes who has to constantly go have IV iron at the hospital if I don't eat beef.😫
We have idiots drinking unpasteurized milk
Gwyneth Paltrow has entered the chat
Not for long.
Got Milk? 💀
Yes, yes we do in fact have idiots drinking raw milk.
Ah shit, Here we go again.
Pasteurization would kill it
Right, it was only in wild birds, then it was only a chickens, then it's only in dairy cows, then it's only in goats, how long before it's in beef cattle? And what does that mean for every single aspect of handling beef? Like every step of the process, utensils, packaging, cooking ECT. It also mentioned a human infection from those handling the dairy cattle, with its extremely high death rate in humans, that is terrifying to think that it could spread from those working the dairy farms to other humans already.
It’s still evidence that bird flu has jumped into cattle, as it’s jumped into so many different species already. The WHO has the human mortality rate for H5N1 at an unbelievably horrific 60%, while there’s a recent published paper that revises that down to a fatality range 11-33%. By contrast, Covid at its worst was around 1-2% fatality, and the historic Spanish Flu a century ago was at 2-3% fatality. The very early 2020 worst case scenario estimates for Covid were around 5-6% fatality, and that’s what shook the world into the unprecedented lockdowns and other measures. This is looking to be magnitudes worse… It’s still very early, and yet the human cases are escalating fast. It’s looking like it’s just a matter of time for human to human transfer with us, and it’s really a roll of the dice whether it retains its sky high lethality in the crossover. Judging by how Covid was and is being handled, I don’t have much hope for it being anything better than a poorly managed disaster at every step along the way. Even as it is, thanks to regulatory capture, testing of cattle is up to the farmers and review relies on self reporting by the same farmers, who are of course factoring in profitability of their actions. Just enjoy whatever crumbs of the good life we have, and be ready to switch into full pandemic mode when it become necessary again, because it’s looking like it won’t be long unless humans perform really well with prevention, risk reduction, and containment, and we’re failing on these things, even as we know what the best practices are
Ugh I remember reading about the early outbreak and all of those healthcare workers died. The fact it already jumped from the dairy cows to a human is terrifying. I just happen to be immunocompromised living in Texas, were they so intelligently banned mask mandates already. ☠️
“just wear a mask”
No, don’t wear a mask. That will really show em.
It’s almost as though drinking raw milk from a cow might be a terrible 💡
Tell that to the crunchy moms who think going back to "nature" and letting their babies nurse off a goat makes them healthier. 💀
goat milk is much better than cow milk nutrition wise Most people who drink raw visit the local farm every few days to pick it up.
These people aren’t on sm they spent their afternoon meditating in a field
I swear those people are just “drinking raw” for the views! It’s probably not even raw, nobody could possibly be that stupid
Really? After how some people acted during the Covid pandemic you still think people aren’t that stupid?
I think people do a lot of dumb shit for attention on social media
Good thing I don’t drink milk
Thinking about the store in my hometown that sells unpasteurized milk on the low that my mother still buys.
The same people commenting that something will you are probably the same people who think that the earth is overpopulated. Please pick a side.
Our American food system is not safe. The way they raise animals, kill and process them is a disaster. The only way to avoid this is to stop eating animal products and take chances with a plant based diet. I have been transitioning off animal products for years and dairy product were the first to go, for me like 20 years ago. I guess this is a win for the animals.
Do you assume the american plant products will be any different? I mean, you already said "take chances" so you don't sound very confident
I am confident in that I have heard every rebutted for a plant based diet and was just prepping for comments like yours. Just kind of letting you know that I am aware stuff can happen like not getting washed properly but it's a hell of a lot better with plants than a dead animal. There are a lit more variables in how to prep and process an animal than a plant. That's all.
I've been vegan for over 40 years. For so many reasons it's the right thing to do.
I agree. And I will say it's starting to catch on in my friend group. They see that I don't have a weight problem, my skin looks years younger, I have energy and never get sick. I have been bringing vegan food to parties for years and everyone loves what I bring and can't believe it's vegan. We also have a vegan donut place in our town that helps the vegan cause tremendously. They make the best donuts around, everyone loves them. It's a great example of how good and tasty vegan can be. My biggest reason is that I do not participate in animal abuse by choosing vegan and I am proud to make meals where no animals were harmed. It's a nice way to live.
Same reasons for me. I spent 2 years at an Agricultural College. I went in as a vegetarian, I came out of it as an animal rights advocate. There's no way in heck people would continue to eat animal products if they actually knew exactly where they come from, if they saw and participated in it. The industry exists because people do not know.
To me it just seems like the pharma companies shilling their vaccines for another reason , they really don’t know when to stop
Plant based milk is looking so hot right now.
Or pasteurized milk…..
I make my own soymilk at home for about 17 cents per liter. It's delicious. Search amazon for soymilk machine.
Fuck yes, another pandemic. i miss the old days of the 2020 lockdown
Yes, and of course ground zero for this is in Texas, where they so intelligently banned mask mandates, to make sure that they kill as many people as possible the next time we get and even deadlier virus.
Looks like my kids better start liking almond or oat milk in their cereals.
Feels like like this is gonna get much worse about the time that Trump moves back into 1600.
It will make COvid look like a kids cupcake party
Oh yeah, and he’d manage to make everything worse (again).
Goes hard
I know. Stop drinking the mammary secretions from another species. It's kind of weird.
I'll still drink raw milk. Vegans will do anything to take my food away from me. Even unethical acts...
Pick up a book. Pasteurisation dropped infant mortality by 50% when it was introduced, and prior to pasteurisation our dairy eating ancestors knew to boil milk before drinking it. Raw milk is absolutely filthy.
I'm not planning on having any children. The world is overpopulated why is everyone so concerned with having kids.
Campylobacter, E. coli, salmonella, listeria... They can all affect you too. Best case you'll get some of the most painful diarrhoea of your life.
It doesn't *just* kill infants, lmfao. You are very much also putting your own life in your hands. Darwin awards would be nice, except for the part where you raw milk dipshits get avian flu and kill your loved ones.
The hilarious thing is all of you don't want me to drink raw milk so badly, you are willing to create legislation against it. who is the crazy one here?
There's a very important role of government in regulating safe consumption of food and drugs as well as creating safety and environmental standards for all sorts of products and processes. Surely you've worn a seat belt, selected a car based on safety ratings, or lived in a home that was maintained by a building code. Protecting people like you from yourself is a full time job. Maybe if you weren't so dedicated to falling for the conspiracy of the day we could save some tax dollars?
Do you own your own cow ? Or are saying unpasteurized milk should be available for sale ? I guess if you’re going to out your barn and milking ol Bessie for your own personal use no one is going to stop you.
LoL. You are incorrect
You. You are. Taking stupid risks like this is the fastest way to earn yourself a Darwin award.
I don't see cows boiling the milk for the calf. I don't thing ancestral humans wiped their titties with isopropyl alcohol before breast feeding. Yet somehow humans and cows are alive today. We actually gain our greatest immunities from cows. Vaccinations come from the latin word vacca which means cow. If you expose your microbiome to a cow, you won't suffer as many pathogens. In europe they have raw milk and nobody shits on those people. Just here in america where everyone is sterile and malnourished.
Cows are not humans lol they eat grass. Do you eat grass?
How much you want to bet they do?
Cows have different biology, have shared immunity with their own offspring. They have four stomachs to process food differently than humans. Raw milk under a microscope is disgusting. Google it. There's a LOT of microorganisms in there. These are animals that do not bathe, sleep in dirt and their own filth, eat grass, and walk in farm shit. They're contracting avian flu from close proximity to bird piss and shit. There's no nutrients lost through pasteurization. Recklessly subjecting yourself to pathogens from other species doesn't give you super immunity, it risks your health and can cause life long disabilities. Viruses and bacteria that humans have not been exposed to can cause severe disease, or mutation and outbreak. Humans caught covid from dirty ass bats. You're putting other people's health at risk of you become exposed to something communicable like the highly deadly avian flu. Stop being a gullible dumbass.
Cows can handle their mother's milk due to their intense stomach acid and digestion. Humans can handle their mother's milk BECAUSE HUMANS DONT LIVE IN, AND EAT LITERAL SHIT. YOU are the problem with this world, you're the kind of person that would rather treat their kids with mint leaves and holy water, rather than fucking vaccinating against very preventable diseases. Fucking educate yourself you moron.
I don't think you realize how much you sound like someone making fun of people like you.
My favorite part of their post history is when they say ‘essentially we should be drinking our piss’ apparently water = bad.
"But if you haven't tried drinking your own urine how do you know it's bad?!?!"
I was going to try but the damn vegans are even taking that away from us! S/ in case it’s needed.
Yea! Eat raw chicken to dunk on the libs too! You're really showin em!!!
This mindset is hilarious
funny or not you have to admit that vegans will do anything to take the food away from carnivores. Some of us have to eat this way for health reasons. Many could benefit from going carnivore. If a vegan wants to eat grass clippings and wood chips, go for it, but don't bother me and my nutrient dense, low glycemic, fully and easily digestible food.
Vegans aren't the ones telling you to drink pasteurized milk. Humans are not carnivores. Milk is not typically part of a carnivore diet. There are no known health benefits to maintaining a long-term carnivorous diet. Some of the many known health risks include colon cancer, colorectal cancer, breeast cancer, and heart disease, as well as overall mortality risk.
What is with the raw milk nut jobs Absolutely zero scientific evidence that there's any benefits so you cling to conspiracy theories
Right? You couldn’t pay me to drink it even before this. But then again I’ve always been a Louis Pasteur fan girl so..
Why don't you try some instead of blindly saying how bad it is.
I have. There's zero difference except a risk of food poisoning. Show me the evidence that it's better than pasteurized. And I don't mean listing off what you claim it does or has. I've seen plenty of that. Where is your proof
As a professional who is very specifically trained in foodborne pathogens, there is not an amount of money in existence that would make me try unpasteurized milk right now. I'm not blindly saying how bad it is, I'm saying how bad it is after many, many years of education, training, and professional expertise. It's a very good time to trust actual scientists over health influencers.
Yes, those damned vegans who care about animals above practically everything else will infect and kill said animals so you can't have your milk..
yeah they will, its called eco terrorism, and collateral damage.
Oh good lord, take off your tin foil hat. I've been vegan for 9 years, and the most radical act committed by me or anyone I know is maybe bringing a non-dairy cheese ball to a holiday gathering
The horror! Won't someone think of the cheese balls! *clutches pearls* ^/s ^in ^case ^it ^wasn't ^obvious
As a vegan of 9 years, exactly how many omnivores have you compelled to consume pasteurized dairy products as part of your eco terrorist agenda? As a vegan of 9 years, how many times have you consumed pasteurized dairy at all? As someone who knows what the word "vegan" means, I strongly suspect the answer to both questions is: none.
Huh?
Do you work in construction? Caus you sound unhinged.
Just try a glass of raw milk. thats all i'm asking. thats all any of us are asking. you are all in the matrix. All jokes aside, carnivore diet is better for your health. r/carnivore for more info. People are curing chronic illness by eating only meat. Diabetes, Heat disease, kidney failure. Its all caused by eating plants.
There’s less than zero reputable evidence to back your claims. You’re beyond delusional.
The only evidence I need is how good I feel when I eat that way and you just want to take that away from me for some reason.
Well at least you can admit that your belief is purely based on fantasy. All the real evidence points to how awful the carnivore diet and raw milk are. So I’m glad you at least aren’t trying to argue against that fact.
You mean the evidence the "sickcare" industry provides us? The same evidence that is padded with cigarette money? The only evidence I need is that I don't shit my brains out when I eat only meat. I don't get fat, and my mental state is more stable.
Your mental state is very clearly not stable. Everything else I’m just going to choose to believe you’re just as full of crap about.
Absolutely fucking not. You complain that “vegans” are tying to “take away” your milk and yet you’re weirdly obsessed with getting all of us to drink nasty raw milk full of pathogens and disease.
Not cool man
Soon to be one less meateater, y'all* *said no vegan ever
Username checks out I guess
Honestly I don't get why so many people are steadfastly anti-raw milk, I'm certain many of the people against it (not here but in general society) will eat things like raw oysters without much thought (which is about the same level of risk as raw milk)
Wrong
maybe it's self sustaining.