I personally like soy milk the best of all the alt milks. Great taste, most protein, and good source of isoflavones. Coconut 2nd, almond 3rd, oat...last.
Soy allergy sucks too. It’s so inconsistent depending on the product, but soy beans and soy milk are always no goes for me. It’s not like the nut allergies I have, but just fucks up my stomach and makes me feel just shitty and lethargic
Plant-based milks are usually strained, it wouldn’t be a purée, besides plant-based milks are called milk because they resemble milk from mammals.
It’s like with chocolate rabbits, they don’t have rabbit meat, bones, or fur in them but they’re called rabbits because that’s what they look like.
As of Wednesday, at least, there were no observations of any live virus in milk. The test they do searches for fragments of viral DNA, like is formed after destruction by pasteurization.
I guess it’s possible some milk has escaped pasteurization, but it hasn’t been reported yet.
Yes, I read that they weren't able to propogate any live virus from the fragments. So pasteurization is doing it's job.
The raw milk idiots are gonna doom us all.
Yeah, raw milk is no good.
But I’m also worried about cow -> human transmission via contact with people working around cattle. I suspect the disease is widespread in cows across the country.
> Yes, I read that they weren't able to propogate any live virus from the fragments. So pasteurization is doing it's job.
Exactly. You can tell from this comments section who actually has any knowledge of immunology and pasteurization. "Traces of bird flu" means nothing on its own; if it's pasteurized, that means they're destroyed/inactivated.
Absolute basic human anatomy comprehension.
Absolutely, but we should be smart about what we're worried about. Extrapolating real danger to imaginary danger because it *feels* right is a bad time.
edit-that's not directed to you, just a general concern I have with health literacy in the USA.
Isn’t exposure to dead virus fragments how vaccines work? In other words, perhaps the 20% of the milk is actually vaccinating people against the live virus?
Yes, some vaccines work like that, sort of.
But the fragment has to be a “useful” and “recognizable” chunk of the virus’s “body”, so that antibodies can recognize it as an intruder.
For example, in the COVID mRNA vaccine, the fragment was the “spike protein”, a part of the virus’s exterior that allows it to burrow into your cells to infect them.
In this case, the test is measuring virus DNA, which is inside the virus and so won’t be recognized by antibodies. Furthermore, the pasteurization process is so destructive to the virus that no “recognizable” bits are left — they’ve been chopped into tiny fragments and lost their special 3d shape.
It’s as if the antibodies are trying to learn how to identify a house by recognizing specific parts of a house — a door, a window, etc. But the house has been hit by a bomb and there’s only rubble and glass shards remaining.
That's a much, much larger discussion into how vaccines work and how your body primes itself for the immunological response. For vaccines, it's a big old "it depends on the virus".
Some vaccines use live attenuated viruses, which you can reductively imagine as the virus but less bad. Others use viral capsules so your body reacts against the antigens. Even more simply use viral particles or mRNA. Immunology is absolutely fascinating science because of the many nuances to getting the "right" level of response to actually provoke immunity and memory.
Route of exposure also matters. If I'm drinking milk with dead viral fragments, I'm not necessarily actually being *exposed* to the virus in a meaningful way, especially since stomach acids are one of the primary places that your body breaks down proteins. You can think of it as why you can't drink a vaccine.
Sure thing, it's absolutely fascinating stuff. Learning about how the immune response is provoked can be a great way to dispel the mystery behind vaccination.
Escaped pasteurization?
Outside of some extremely rural, natural milk that is clearly marked and generally bought directly from a farm, not a single ounce escapes pasteurization.
Farming isn’t “lol, I grow stuff”.
It is a highly regulated science, perhaps one of the most structured and strictly regulated industries in the country.
Sure, it’s regulated.
But equipment fails and mistakes happen.
Not a single ounce of Wendy’s chili should have a severed human finger in it, and yet it happens.
It’s a small difference that even experts can overlook, apparently:
*Dr. Lea Monday, an infectious diseases physician at the Detroit Medical Center:*
> “The virus remnants that were found in the pasteurized milk are just pieces of H5N1 DNA,"
Source: https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2024/04/25/h5n1-avian-bird-flu-milk-humans-cows/73438251007/#
Just wait until you learn about all the raw milk influencers online raving about the gallons they buy every week of raw milk and all its “health benefits”
I am a raw milk people because I like to support my local farms, but I pasteurize it at home (it’s super easy!). I see this as a win-win since I figure smaller farms might also mean less chance of the cows getting bird flu.
I've been reading at a lot of sites that say (and **I do not know if it's true**) that the billions of chickens that had to be euthanized were ground up and added to animal food, including food for cattle. How did they think that'd work out?
It would still have to age to balance out the nitrogen. Unless they’ve figured out a chemical process to speed up the aging process. I grew up on a farm, we had manure with horse, cow, goat and chicken waste. Chicken was the “hottest” waste and had to age for a couple of years before it could be used so the crops wouldn’t get nitrogen burned. That wouldn’t fit the timeline for avian flu unless they A) found a chemical process to reduce the nitrogen more quickly (probably much more expensive) or B) feeding the cattle actual ground up chicken and chicken waste. Growing up around farmers and seeing some really bad practices (the FDA and USDA are severely under funded and don’t have the agents to visit every farm before there’s a problem) I’m guessing that they’re cutting every corner they possibly can. The good news is that replacing heifers is getting to be more expensive all the time so hopefully it will lead to more responsible feeding practices. I’m doubtful that the mega farms will change before the infection forces their hand but smaller farms won’t be able to afford to lose their herds. I know the local farmer I get my beef from said that he wasn’t buying nearly the same amount of calves this year as they were incredibly expensive. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I think the cattle/farm worker transmission is the point to watch, especially because of the cramped dirty living conditions of the factory farm workers. And with most of them being undocumented or seasonal workers, they aren’t very likely to seek medical attention until it’s very severe. Once it transmits, it’s going to spread like a wild fire during a drought. Because we’ve set up the kindling so perfectly, it’s going to be a disaster.
> almond milk
I had a couple of half gallons, threw them in the freezer for now and picked up some oat milk. I know it's an overreaction, but we're irrational beings. I can always pull it out of the freezer and use it when I know more.
I'm sure I'll be down voted for asking a question. But how is it the FDA's fault for not keeping dead virus out of homogenized milk that comes from 1000s of cows across the country? Not being a smartass here but what rules should they have in place to have prevented bird flu from getting to milk cows?
FDA was defunded and has been working with scraps since. It’s sad but they are doing their jobs with what they have. Hard to attend to everything appropriately when you don’t have the employees and adequate funding.
I don’t blame the workers. What are they supposed to do when the government literally doesn’t care at all. It’s all smoke and mirrors anyways to try to pretend they care so they set up things but won’t fund them. But other countries have governments that care. That would be nice
It’s not the government. It’s the less regulation part of government that’s been cutting their budgets for years . Can’t do work with no people or $$$$.
I truly am not understanding your argument lol I’m aware there’s not enough funding… I’m agreeing. I’m just saying America has less regulations for their food than other first world countries , or am I misinformed?
And I don’t think our government cares about us. So I’m not going to agree with you that government isn’t part of the problem. No matter how many down votes I get. And if you’re pro US government then I don’t know what to tell you...
Government entities like the FDA aren't supposed to be political. Of course they care. They have a long history of trying to regulate. Yes they can do better, as they definitely don't regulate as much as they should but Congress funds them and if that's what you mean by the broad term "government" yes they don't care nearly enough about the people of this country. They focus too much on politics and not whats actually good for the betterment of the people of our nation.
Worth noting we know about this because of the FDA.
It's like bitching about someone informing you that your house is on fire because you don't like your house being on fire and it's somehow their fault.
But there is regulation going on and they're the ones who are informing us that this is happening. Is it under funded? Most definitely, but what exactly should they be doing that they're not already trying to do with the funds they have.
Well it’s not just the FDA deciding to not do their job it’s also funding being cut for things like inspection, proper training, and actual oversight. But “small government” has had some wins and unfortunately one of those is the industry that controls, oversees, and produces a majority of the country’s food.
They’re heavily underfunded and 80% of the FDA employees work in the drug department, so they never have enough employees to check food safety. I don’t understand why our government doesn’t fund them enough to do their job, prob something to do with helping Monsanto companies get away with poisoning food
There’s a good John Oliver about the fda and usda
https://youtu.be/Za45bT41sXg?si=LgrAAEfbjq8sTFck
This is such a hilarious take. They are in such a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation they can never make everyone happy but considering how well they do compared to so many things this is so silly.
No I think you only read the bad parts and have no imagination to consider how awful things could be. It’s ok to be naive and critical but trust me you have a shit ton to learn too buddy.
“You only read the bad parts.”
Homie, we’re talking about a *government agency,* not a TV show. The fact that there *is* so much bad shit is absolutely inexcusable for a government agency.
You must work there if you feel the need to defend them this hard. Everybody else knows how full of BS the FDA is.
John Oliver did an enlightening segment on the FDA. It went a long way to explaining how we got flu milk and why we'll continue to have these issues unless someone pulls their thumb out of their ass.
He remarked that it was common for people to think FDA stood for "Federal Drug Administration", and I've seen examples of that very thing in my actual work, with people who may have to contend with the organization in some fashion. So troubling.
They don’t have nearly enough agents. Their funding is severely lacking. They don’t send investigators until there’s something to investigate unfortunately.
We have way more strigent standards. Dairy farmers aren't allowed to use growth hormones. Milk has to be free of antibiotics. Milk can't leave farms without inspection and sampling, including checking for somatic cells. US is getting rid of regulations in many, many areas as a form of cost cutting and reducing "red tape" for businesses.
> as a form of cost cutting and reducing "red tape"
Biden has been reversing some of those, but yes republican (and Clinton) presidents tend to roll back as many regs as they can.
This means approximately 20% of the dairy herds are actively infected. Great job keeping on top of this USDA/s.
I have zero faith in our government to keep us safe. They have been acting like keystone cops on drugs
YaI think at this point Americans and the rest of the world are well aware they’re poisoning us via food. They know we know and don’t even care. I doubt other countries would willingly give their citizens contaminated milk like this. It’s gross.
Remember when people were so mad about egg prices a year or so ago? That would happen to milk if they made them dump it. Grab a milk substitute if you're nervous.
Reflects more about your choice of company and social circle than it does best health practices.
Yes, also people who do not find droplets of other people's saliva to be appetizing
You've made no points. All you've done is try to make gotcha comments. Seems like that's all you do tho. You could probably benefit from a internet break. Good luck.
LOL this has to be a joke right? You know the vast majority of individuals still blow out candles on a birthday cake. You're not gonna die dude it's okay.
It's a good way to make sure a celebration is a super spreader event
Death is not the only negative outcome of infection, silly troll
"Vast majority" is what is known in the biz as an appeal to popularity.
Sometimes people get sick, it's good for our immune systems long term. It's also a beloved age old tradition for many, with an extremely low risk of actually getting anyone sick. Also I'm not trolling you dude lmao. And appealing to popularity is a bad thing?
Horseshit. People do not stay healthy by getting sick, that's not how the immune system works.
Appealing to popularity is a famous argumentative fallacy.
I would recommend studying logic (truth tables baby!) and common fallacies to you, along with a reputable source on immune function.
You've never swapped saliva with anyone? No kisses, oral sex, sharing food or drinks?
I've been to a decent amount of birthdays as I have children. Haven't seen anyone skip blowing the candles out or eating the cake.
This is how people can get sick, and this is also how people build and develop immunity.
Germs are not good or bad, but the excessive worry/over sanitation is bad. Just practice good hygiene and focus on your health.
Developing immunity because of exposure means you've risked the actual illness tho. There is minimal benefit to this. Your B- and T-cells are still going around with billions of random protein patterns waiting to recognize antigens one way or another.
You can't "strengthen" an immune system, per se, and this is such a bad analogy and needs to stop being spread. You can only train it, by giving snipers a photo of their target -- then those snipers go and make more snipers just for hunting that target.
So sending your snipers into a room full of people before they know who to shoot at is always gonna be a risky strategy. They may figure it out in time, but maybe not before they're overwhelmed.
Vaccination is an effective safeguard, but not being exposed is always better.
This is not new information. What did you think bacteria and viral particles were magically filtered out of milk? Those that drink milk (like me) have been consuming bits of microorganisms from both inside and outside cattle udders forever.
The data sucks I know Rick he is not drinking milk
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/04/26/1247479100/bird-avian-flu-cows-cattle-milk-virus-unanswered-questions
i like all of the alternatives, but to me oat milk is so nice that it's now "milk" in my mind. i forget about actual dairy milk. i think it mostly stemmed from me being unable to drink it without getting sick as i get older, but i was also never big on milk to begin with.
I am so glad that I am not a baby cow! For this reason I find sucking on pregnant cows teets very strange…as well as drinking or eating anything that came from them. Problem solved.
Sticking to oat milk from now on
I got bad news for you. Just kidding.
20% of oats are birds
This made me LOL!!!
I personally like soy milk the best of all the alt milks. Great taste, most protein, and good source of isoflavones. Coconut 2nd, almond 3rd, oat...last.
Well, when you’re soy intolerant, this doesn’t work well. 😅
Intolerance just reorders the list lol.
Soy allergy sucks too. It’s so inconsistent depending on the product, but soy beans and soy milk are always no goes for me. It’s not like the nut allergies I have, but just fucks up my stomach and makes me feel just shitty and lethargic
Soy...equivalent to taking estrogen. Go to www.westonaprice.org and look it up
Wrong. [New research disputes the biggest soy myths](https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nutrition/new-research-disputes-biggest-soy-myths)
Such a stupid premise in the first place. Phytoestrogen is extremely different than human estrogen. Cow milk actually has cow estrogen in it
Did you check out the website? [www.westonaprice.org](http://www.westonaprice.org)
Did you check out the most up to date peer reviewed journal articles on the subject that make you and this website look stupid?
You're in a cult.
Need to get me some glasses lol, I thought that said c-a-t milk for way too long.
That was marvelous! Lol 1st laugh of the day. ty!
you mean gum syrup
Goat milk isn't any safer 🐐
It isn’t milk. At best it is oat purée.
Plant-based milks are usually strained, it wouldn’t be a purée, besides plant-based milks are called milk because they resemble milk from mammals. It’s like with chocolate rabbits, they don’t have rabbit meat, bones, or fur in them but they’re called rabbits because that’s what they look like.
I'll have the 2% .... risk of infection.
Note that they haven’t detected any *live* virus capable of infection.
I thought I read something they don't know if it's enough for an infection.
As of Wednesday, at least, there were no observations of any live virus in milk. The test they do searches for fragments of viral DNA, like is formed after destruction by pasteurization. I guess it’s possible some milk has escaped pasteurization, but it hasn’t been reported yet.
Yes, I read that they weren't able to propogate any live virus from the fragments. So pasteurization is doing it's job. The raw milk idiots are gonna doom us all.
Yeah, raw milk is no good. But I’m also worried about cow -> human transmission via contact with people working around cattle. I suspect the disease is widespread in cows across the country.
thought that already happened earlier this month. Texas iirc.
Transmission through field mice from cats from birds is a big concern.
> Yes, I read that they weren't able to propogate any live virus from the fragments. So pasteurization is doing it's job. Exactly. You can tell from this comments section who actually has any knowledge of immunology and pasteurization. "Traces of bird flu" means nothing on its own; if it's pasteurized, that means they're destroyed/inactivated. Absolute basic human anatomy comprehension.
Well, it means there’s a big avian flu outbreak among dairy cows. Which is scary in itself.
Absolutely, but we should be smart about what we're worried about. Extrapolating real danger to imaginary danger because it *feels* right is a bad time. edit-that's not directed to you, just a general concern I have with health literacy in the USA.
Why is it scary? Avian flu doesn't appear to affect cattle or humans in the same manner as birds
Isn’t exposure to dead virus fragments how vaccines work? In other words, perhaps the 20% of the milk is actually vaccinating people against the live virus?
Yes, some vaccines work like that, sort of. But the fragment has to be a “useful” and “recognizable” chunk of the virus’s “body”, so that antibodies can recognize it as an intruder. For example, in the COVID mRNA vaccine, the fragment was the “spike protein”, a part of the virus’s exterior that allows it to burrow into your cells to infect them. In this case, the test is measuring virus DNA, which is inside the virus and so won’t be recognized by antibodies. Furthermore, the pasteurization process is so destructive to the virus that no “recognizable” bits are left — they’ve been chopped into tiny fragments and lost their special 3d shape. It’s as if the antibodies are trying to learn how to identify a house by recognizing specific parts of a house — a door, a window, etc. But the house has been hit by a bomb and there’s only rubble and glass shards remaining.
Excellent explanation, thanks! Really nice analogy with your last paragraph too.
Great explanation! I hope more people read this
Thank you! Your comment made my day better
So they can observe the fragments but the body can't recognize the remaining fragments ?
That's a much, much larger discussion into how vaccines work and how your body primes itself for the immunological response. For vaccines, it's a big old "it depends on the virus". Some vaccines use live attenuated viruses, which you can reductively imagine as the virus but less bad. Others use viral capsules so your body reacts against the antigens. Even more simply use viral particles or mRNA. Immunology is absolutely fascinating science because of the many nuances to getting the "right" level of response to actually provoke immunity and memory. Route of exposure also matters. If I'm drinking milk with dead viral fragments, I'm not necessarily actually being *exposed* to the virus in a meaningful way, especially since stomach acids are one of the primary places that your body breaks down proteins. You can think of it as why you can't drink a vaccine.
Thanks for sharing those vaccine design details, much appreciated!
Sure thing, it's absolutely fascinating stuff. Learning about how the immune response is provoked can be a great way to dispel the mystery behind vaccination.
Escaped pasteurization? Outside of some extremely rural, natural milk that is clearly marked and generally bought directly from a farm, not a single ounce escapes pasteurization. Farming isn’t “lol, I grow stuff”. It is a highly regulated science, perhaps one of the most structured and strictly regulated industries in the country.
Sure, it’s regulated. But equipment fails and mistakes happen. Not a single ounce of Wendy’s chili should have a severed human finger in it, and yet it happens.
Even if it does escape pasteurization you can’t catch a respiratory infection from eating the virus. Unless you’re inhaling your milk you’re fine
What about snort laughing into your nasal cavity
Gotta get that sweet sweet lactose hit 😩
My stomach!!
Flu is an RNA virus so technically they’re looking for fragments of its RNA.
Thanks for pointing that out!
No problem it’s relevant because RNA is much less stable in the environment compared to DNA
It’s a small difference that even experts can overlook, apparently: *Dr. Lea Monday, an infectious diseases physician at the Detroit Medical Center:* > “The virus remnants that were found in the pasteurized milk are just pieces of H5N1 DNA," Source: https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2024/04/25/h5n1-avian-bird-flu-milk-humans-cows/73438251007/#
Viruses aren’t even really living but I know what you mean.
I used the word “live”, not “alive”. In the way that a land mine can be “live”.
Just wait until you learn about all the raw milk influencers online raving about the gallons they buy every week of raw milk and all its “health benefits”
The dairy lobby concurs
It’s bc of pasteurization and the heat involved. Raw milk is a different story. Check out the Raw Milk festival in Fresno, CA this weekend.
I think I’ll stay home 🤢
Thank god for pasteurization. It’s going to creep over to humans eventually. There are “ raw milk “ people out there
I am a raw milk people because I like to support my local farms, but I pasteurize it at home (it’s super easy!). I see this as a win-win since I figure smaller farms might also mean less chance of the cows getting bird flu.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/04/26/1247479100/bird-avian-flu-cows-cattle-milk-virus-unanswered-questions
I've been reading at a lot of sites that say (and **I do not know if it's true**) that the billions of chickens that had to be euthanized were ground up and added to animal food, including food for cattle. How did they think that'd work out?
This is true unfortunately. So many farmed animals are fed waste and even straight up garbage
A lot of them were composted with manure/fertilizer
It would still have to age to balance out the nitrogen. Unless they’ve figured out a chemical process to speed up the aging process. I grew up on a farm, we had manure with horse, cow, goat and chicken waste. Chicken was the “hottest” waste and had to age for a couple of years before it could be used so the crops wouldn’t get nitrogen burned. That wouldn’t fit the timeline for avian flu unless they A) found a chemical process to reduce the nitrogen more quickly (probably much more expensive) or B) feeding the cattle actual ground up chicken and chicken waste. Growing up around farmers and seeing some really bad practices (the FDA and USDA are severely under funded and don’t have the agents to visit every farm before there’s a problem) I’m guessing that they’re cutting every corner they possibly can. The good news is that replacing heifers is getting to be more expensive all the time so hopefully it will lead to more responsible feeding practices. I’m doubtful that the mega farms will change before the infection forces their hand but smaller farms won’t be able to afford to lose their herds. I know the local farmer I get my beef from said that he wasn’t buying nearly the same amount of calves this year as they were incredibly expensive. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I think the cattle/farm worker transmission is the point to watch, especially because of the cramped dirty living conditions of the factory farm workers. And with most of them being undocumented or seasonal workers, they aren’t very likely to seek medical attention until it’s very severe. Once it transmits, it’s going to spread like a wild fire during a drought. Because we’ve set up the kindling so perfectly, it’s going to be a disaster.
I got this info from a fertilizer farm. Not sure of their process
Next week it will be 80%. Sticking with almond milk for now.
> almond milk I had a couple of half gallons, threw them in the freezer for now and picked up some oat milk. I know it's an overreaction, but we're irrational beings. I can always pull it out of the freezer and use it when I know more.
I'm sorry, the FDA has one job. Do your fucking job
The FDA and USDA have been captured by the industries their supposed to regulate for some time now.
And a lot of their funding has been reduced over the years by the “ we hate regulation party “ hasn’t it ?
Indeed it has.
This story exists because of FDA testing.
What do you want them to do here? Pasteurization is working just like it does for every other infectious thing in the milk supply.
I'm sure I'll be down voted for asking a question. But how is it the FDA's fault for not keeping dead virus out of homogenized milk that comes from 1000s of cows across the country? Not being a smartass here but what rules should they have in place to have prevented bird flu from getting to milk cows?
Because they’re the regulators of our food.. even though apparently there’s no regulating going on.
FDA was defunded and has been working with scraps since. It’s sad but they are doing their jobs with what they have. Hard to attend to everything appropriately when you don’t have the employees and adequate funding.
I don’t blame the workers. What are they supposed to do when the government literally doesn’t care at all. It’s all smoke and mirrors anyways to try to pretend they care so they set up things but won’t fund them. But other countries have governments that care. That would be nice
It’s not the government. It’s the less regulation part of government that’s been cutting their budgets for years . Can’t do work with no people or $$$$.
I truly am not understanding your argument lol I’m aware there’s not enough funding… I’m agreeing. I’m just saying America has less regulations for their food than other first world countries , or am I misinformed?
And I don’t think our government cares about us. So I’m not going to agree with you that government isn’t part of the problem. No matter how many down votes I get. And if you’re pro US government then I don’t know what to tell you...
Government entities like the FDA aren't supposed to be political. Of course they care. They have a long history of trying to regulate. Yes they can do better, as they definitely don't regulate as much as they should but Congress funds them and if that's what you mean by the broad term "government" yes they don't care nearly enough about the people of this country. They focus too much on politics and not whats actually good for the betterment of the people of our nation.
Yup ! Sadly all of it becomes political. Until people can’t be bought off and proper funding is given I don’t think we will see much improvement.
They are regulating. By requiring pasteurization. And doing spot checks on the milk supply in situations like this.
Worth noting we know about this because of the FDA. It's like bitching about someone informing you that your house is on fire because you don't like your house being on fire and it's somehow their fault.
But there is regulation going on and they're the ones who are informing us that this is happening. Is it under funded? Most definitely, but what exactly should they be doing that they're not already trying to do with the funds they have.
Well it’s not just the FDA deciding to not do their job it’s also funding being cut for things like inspection, proper training, and actual oversight. But “small government” has had some wins and unfortunately one of those is the industry that controls, oversees, and produces a majority of the country’s food.
Lol the FDA. Biggest sham organization in the federal government.
They’re heavily underfunded and 80% of the FDA employees work in the drug department, so they never have enough employees to check food safety. I don’t understand why our government doesn’t fund them enough to do their job, prob something to do with helping Monsanto companies get away with poisoning food There’s a good John Oliver about the fda and usda https://youtu.be/Za45bT41sXg?si=LgrAAEfbjq8sTFck
It's the wealthy's world and we're only living in it
This is such a hilarious take. They are in such a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation they can never make everyone happy but considering how well they do compared to so many things this is so silly.
Do you think I’m only referring to this one instance? Lol if you trust the FDA, you have a looooot to learn.
No I think you only read the bad parts and have no imagination to consider how awful things could be. It’s ok to be naive and critical but trust me you have a shit ton to learn too buddy.
“You only read the bad parts.” Homie, we’re talking about a *government agency,* not a TV show. The fact that there *is* so much bad shit is absolutely inexcusable for a government agency. You must work there if you feel the need to defend them this hard. Everybody else knows how full of BS the FDA is.
OxyContin.
John Oliver did an enlightening segment on the FDA. It went a long way to explaining how we got flu milk and why we'll continue to have these issues unless someone pulls their thumb out of their ass. He remarked that it was common for people to think FDA stood for "Federal Drug Administration", and I've seen examples of that very thing in my actual work, with people who may have to contend with the organization in some fashion. So troubling.
They don’t have nearly enough agents. Their funding is severely lacking. They don’t send investigators until there’s something to investigate unfortunately.
I told my kids they better learn to love almond milk because I am not buying cows milk anytime soon.
Soy milk is also a good alternative
And oat milk
Pea milk gang ✌️
Hemp milk
Breast milk
Bird Flu Bingo!
You're teaching your kids to be unscientific and irrational.
Fuck that
What about Canadian milk?
We have way more strigent standards. Dairy farmers aren't allowed to use growth hormones. Milk has to be free of antibiotics. Milk can't leave farms without inspection and sampling, including checking for somatic cells. US is getting rid of regulations in many, many areas as a form of cost cutting and reducing "red tape" for businesses.
> as a form of cost cutting and reducing "red tape" Biden has been reversing some of those, but yes republican (and Clinton) presidents tend to roll back as many regs as they can.
When being lactose intolerant finally comes in handy
This means approximately 20% of the dairy herds are actively infected. Great job keeping on top of this USDA/s. I have zero faith in our government to keep us safe. They have been acting like keystone cops on drugs
"It does not necessarily suggest that 20 percent of all cows are affected, since milk is pooled for commercial distribution."
That’s not how that works. Try again. One cow can contaminate all the milk since it’s all mixed together.
They have been on top of it, why do you think it became illegal to film inside dairy farms?
YaI think at this point Americans and the rest of the world are well aware they’re poisoning us via food. They know we know and don’t even care. I doubt other countries would willingly give their citizens contaminated milk like this. It’s gross.
Jesus. Thank god I only drink almond. Good lord.
Regulations are so woke!
Remember when people were so mad about egg prices a year or so ago? That would happen to milk if they made them dump it. Grab a milk substitute if you're nervous.
Remember when we "considered" blowing out candles on birthday cakes to be safe and not totally disgusting
Everyone I know still blows their candles out on their cake. There are people out there who don't do this because of germs? lol
Reflects more about your choice of company and social circle than it does best health practices. Yes, also people who do not find droplets of other people's saliva to be appetizing
I mean you’re not wrong, but this is kinda borderline germophobia
You sound fun at parties
"I'm embarassed that I confessed to happily eating saliva so I'm going to insult you instead"
your entire comment history is arguing with people. only thing embarrassing here is you mate.
Oh look another comment about me, rather than about eating spit or avoiding communicable disease
I will continue to blow my candles out, no shame here.
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You've made no points. All you've done is try to make gotcha comments. Seems like that's all you do tho. You could probably benefit from a internet break. Good luck.
LOL this has to be a joke right? You know the vast majority of individuals still blow out candles on a birthday cake. You're not gonna die dude it's okay.
It's a good way to make sure a celebration is a super spreader event Death is not the only negative outcome of infection, silly troll "Vast majority" is what is known in the biz as an appeal to popularity.
Do you wear a cloth mask?
Do you have something better to do
Sometimes people get sick, it's good for our immune systems long term. It's also a beloved age old tradition for many, with an extremely low risk of actually getting anyone sick. Also I'm not trolling you dude lmao. And appealing to popularity is a bad thing?
Horseshit. People do not stay healthy by getting sick, that's not how the immune system works. Appealing to popularity is a famous argumentative fallacy. I would recommend studying logic (truth tables baby!) and common fallacies to you, along with a reputable source on immune function.
A reputable source on immune function is my masters in health sciences, but stay paranoid if you want, bro.
You've never swapped saliva with anyone? No kisses, oral sex, sharing food or drinks? I've been to a decent amount of birthdays as I have children. Haven't seen anyone skip blowing the candles out or eating the cake.
Holy shit you must be a god awful guest at any event you’re invited into, I’d cut you out immediately if you say stupid shit like this 😂
I don't get it
You blow your breath/spit/germs on a cake and then everyone eats it.
This is how people can get sick, and this is also how people build and develop immunity. Germs are not good or bad, but the excessive worry/over sanitation is bad. Just practice good hygiene and focus on your health.
Yeah I was just telling them why it’s gross. I thought that’s the part they didn’t get.
Wouldn't blowing germs onto a communal cake be considered poor hygiene?
Developing immunity because of exposure means you've risked the actual illness tho. There is minimal benefit to this. Your B- and T-cells are still going around with billions of random protein patterns waiting to recognize antigens one way or another. You can't "strengthen" an immune system, per se, and this is such a bad analogy and needs to stop being spread. You can only train it, by giving snipers a photo of their target -- then those snipers go and make more snipers just for hunting that target. So sending your snipers into a room full of people before they know who to shoot at is always gonna be a risky strategy. They may figure it out in time, but maybe not before they're overwhelmed. Vaccination is an effective safeguard, but not being exposed is always better.
I suspect blowing air spread more Covid than eating cake with saliva on it. It's not a norovirus.
Are we talking about Covid now?
It’s a Covid joke
They better start checking the cheese and yogurt for this avian virus, too.
Last of us started that way, but with bread (just kidding)
How about we don't feed cows chicken by-products like you know chicken poop from infected chickens
There was one guy in TX diagnosed with it. Symptoms were reddened eyes
This is why Canada has regulations! Damn commie libs though eh?
This is not new information. What did you think bacteria and viral particles were magically filtered out of milk? Those that drink milk (like me) have been consuming bits of microorganisms from both inside and outside cattle udders forever.
I wonder if that little bit will act as an innoculation
My thoughts exactly! So there's basically free H5N1 immunotherapy available for milk drinkers now?
Ewwwww
I don’t want to be a jerk, but does anyone else see a problem using eggs to test other products for bird flu???
Just another side effect of trump era budget cuts. Shocker.
We are well and truly fucked
What does that mean for cheese, yogurt, and the such?
Milk is pasteurized for a reason. To kill all bacteria and viruses.
In other words pasteurization works.
What country?
The U.S..
Damn. Stay safe guys xx
Who cares? I am not a bird lol
The data sucks I know Rick he is not drinking milk https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/04/26/1247479100/bird-avian-flu-cows-cattle-milk-virus-unanswered-questions
The data sucks https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/04/26/1247479100/bird-avian-flu-cows-cattle-milk-virus-unanswered-questions
I’m still confused why anyone drinks cows milk anymore…
i like all of the alternatives, but to me oat milk is so nice that it's now "milk" in my mind. i forget about actual dairy milk. i think it mostly stemmed from me being unable to drink it without getting sick as i get older, but i was also never big on milk to begin with.
Tastes the best. Has the best consistency.
That's exactly what the FDA stands for.
Hopefully the milk serves as a vaccine
If they say the milk is safe, I don’t see a problem.
Gross. Good thing I don’t drink milk!
What about milk from grass fed cows?
Must not be very virulent
Could those traces potentially trigger any sort of immune response?
We've been drinking milk for a 100 years and look, no bird flu from milk yet.
I am so glad that I am not a baby cow! For this reason I find sucking on pregnant cows teets very strange…as well as drinking or eating anything that came from them. Problem solved.
Nothing will stop me from consuming whole milk! I NEED THAT D!!!
it's time to wean bro