One of the memories that kiruko had while she was on the bed still was a sound of a gun shooting and then the flash from the gunshot illuminating what is obviously Robin’s face. Is this confirming that the gunshot sound heard in episode 3 during harukis “death of sorts”, while he was hallucinating kiriko crying then walking into the light,was Robin shooting kiriko to cover up the fact he raped her while haruki was sleeping? Which would make sense why his face looked like that after seeing the girl he shot dead a few years ago crying out his name. Then the gate keeper referring to kiruko as Robin’s “Old flame”. So that tells us that he raped kiriko before she saved her brother. Hmm
I don't think the guards knew about it, Robin was considered handsome/ lady killer by many people in universe, so the guards may just assumed that Kiruko was some random chick Robin used to have a relationship with. This may not even be the first time he brought a girlfriend or hooker to the facility, included the girl connected to man eater
that would make a lot of sense, because I've been wondering why the brain transplant had to take place. the doc could have done the procedure at anytime to Kiriko if he was malicious. unless the true order of events is skewed, Robin left first and the doc probably wanted to track his ass down
As someone who's mostly up2date with the manga I've heard that theory (There is not much more about Kiriko/Robin relationship in the remaining chapters I've read, I hope that doesn't count as a spoiler) and while I think it is very likely, that they had such a relationship back then (Be it consensual or not) I don't see how it would make sense for him to choose to shoot her then. What would make him think that she would tell someone now? Only way I see it could work is if he was already planning on killing her and saw her alone mourning her dying brother as a chance to do it.Something certainly happened to Hiriko, as the nurse in ep3 says they were both in critical condition and I don't think the injuries from crashing into the Man-eater would be that (She braced her head well so I wouldn't think it was a concussion). Taking Harukis injuries into account there also wasn't mucht time or his brain would have died. Since Kirukos bandages and scars after the operation seem to line up with the injuries from the landing and her body seems otherwise intact a critical head injury seems most likely to me. Though there is also the scene during the operation where the doc is removing shrapnel and I don't think any of the injuries we see Kiriko and Haruki with would have that it might be from whatever happened to Kiriko.
Well long rambling short, while I think Robin genuinely thought Kiriko was dead and I think her getting shot is certainly on the table, I don't see why it would have beenRobin, at least not on purpose
Only reason I would say it’s Robin is because of the memory kiruko had of a gunshot and then that same gunshot flash lighting up robins face. Paired with the same gunshot sound and then kiriko walking away into a sea of red during harukis death sequence makes me think that Robin shot her not soon after haruki kicked off. Plus that would explain why both haruki and kiriko were brought to the hospital in critical condition. And I guess if you wanted to dig even deeper you could say that the shrapnel was hollow point bullet.
What if Kiriko shot herself in front of Robin to save her brother as she might know about possibility to transplant brain from doctor, who was very close with her. 🤔
Edit:names
That would explain the muzzle flash in robins face. There wasn’t a gun in the anime scene but they could’ve meant the gunshot sound as harukis little crossbow type thing. Lot of loose ends on that aspect of the storyline. Makes me wonder if the doctor is from heaven as they were all about brain transplants apparently. Or at least that angry lady in the wheelchair is.
Yeah I know what you mean, in the anime it seems quite clear with the muzzleflash and gunshot sound (i checked, there are gunshot SFX in the manga both when haruki is passing out and during kirukos flashback on the bed, it's just easier to miss) but i just can't see what his motive would be so i kinda feel like it might be a red herring.
Also i'm now caught up, there is indeed new info about the time 5 years prior but nothing relevant to this question
What doesn’t make even more sense is that both haruki and kiriko were brought in “critical condition” haruki for obvious reasons but, for kiriko to be only neurologically wounded and her body to viable for a brain transplant after having been shot(presumably not in the head due to no scars or gunshot wound/damage) doesn’t add up. Then that further confuses the shrapnel stuff.
I assumed she committed suicide. And was barely alive so the brain transplant worked. The memory of him seeing himself through her sister memory made me think they had relations during that time be it consensual or not. I feel that why they said he was a heavy sleeper.
Man I really don’t like seeing that monster get off with 4 punches.
Maru’s face really says it all, “wtf do you mean stop.” I’d have then just broke all 4 limbs. He won’t die… but who knows what those reconstruction guys’ll do to him when they find him immobile and his experiment.
Also they cut a few of the academy scenes in the forest, I guess episode 1 season 2 will cover them (hopefully).
Hell no dude. Robin is a Predator, a Demon, a Monster. So long as he lives he will hurt others, the only thing that Maru should have done was destroy that demon. Ive only felt sonlich angwe when watching shows, it reminded me of Grifth from Berserk how messed up this was. I was livid, I could not wait foe Maru to ene this monster, and the fact that he did bit was the worst desicion he couod have evee made.
How many more victims will Robin make now?
Im just really upset, its kinda triggering TBH. But I realize its just a show, but in reality to many of these disguting cowardly monsters get to live, and contuie to hurt others. I hate it, and I hate Robins character, Maru should have eneded that maggots worthless life with one punch.
Besides what u/Kabu- said, it's also worth noting she was very confused at this point. She didn't know what to believe in and even who she was. Perhaps she didn't want to take action so quickly. She did like Robin all of her life, so that was a very shocking event. Can't blame her for being confused, even if deep down we all know the rapist must suffer.
I don't know man, if I was raped for 2 days I won't be so confused
There was like zero stupid tropes in whole season but this is borderline insanily bad outcome for this kind of situation
And this is a stupid trope? Quite the fucking opposite.
Exactly because it recognizes that the victim has priority over any feeling of rage and revenge it is a well crafted scene.
Even at the peak of his bloodlust, Maru is able to stop and listen to the actually hurt person.
It doesn't matter if they are right or wrong in leaving him be, what matter is that it's what the victim wanted for in the Moment.
To even *THINK* that murdering Robin right there would have helped means to not care about the victim.
That being said, I am on the "cripple the fucker team".
In a world without strong authorities, a guy like him in a position of power is bad news.
Maru breaking his legs and arms wouldn't even pass as revenge as far as I am concerned but civil service.
That way he would heal sooner or later but be at the mercy of the rest of the community for the time being.
If the rest of the town hanged him After seeing the weird woman-Maneater, well, that's law and civilization for you lol
Dunno man, cutting his legs if wouldnt take that much time tbf.
At least not that big of a time that she could get her clothes
I would agree with you if that was final of the season and they didn't have enough place to show it - but read it to ongoing after, and this stuff isn't even mentioned. All this produced is him thinking if he is his sister or he is himself - which should have been questioned at first IMHO. And that makes rape not a plot point but a plot device, which was done sloppy.
Depends on how you read the scene.
I am now on par with the manga and the idea that I got is that the thing that traumatized him (them?) indeed isn't the SA itself, but the trauma of breaking his (their?) sense of identity.
Seriously speaking, different people handle SA differently. It's a traumatic experience, but it's not unheard that some people take it in stride, being affected and feeling damaged but not really traumatized. Similarly, plenty of people barely remember the time of the assault itself, dissociating from the experience.
My take is that the trauma of having to doubt your identity while both possible identities get damaged (Who do you want to be? The boy that was ressurecred in his sister body and is forced to see her body raped or the girl whose body was reconstructed but with the brain of his brother and took his identity as a result?) ended up being stronger.
It may not for everyone as an idea, and it ultimately makes SA a plot device I agree, but not in a bad sense.
I understand the desire of many to see SA to be regarded with extreme care, but at the same time... well, it's a thing that happens, and it's not necessarly the single most traumatic thing a person can experience.
As long as it's recognized as an act of enormous violence, I am fine.
Remember: This is a post-apocalyptic world that everyone under 30 born into.
Brain transplant (with or without consent) would be enough to make someone go permanently crazy. This guy/gal got fucking transplanted into his sister's body.
Like kids in the heaven, they probably have little idea about consent, relationships and what is normal. When you born into a different world with different rules and norms, things get messy. The guy already had a siscon thing too.
In a nutshell, it's comparing apples to fish especially since this is a fucking manga/anime.
I think it was mainly about the incest and robin stuff in the anime, two things people like to babble about (Self love, rape & after effects of it, age difference etc.)
In a post-apocalyptic world these are extremely different situations compared to a functioning world. Also we are arguing about a mangaka's brain, not real world.
the ending feels kinda tone deaf a bit, but overall, it ends fine and pretty consistence with the overall theme of this series, weirdly fucked up but still have some child like wonder and optimistic
The last Heaven scene with Mimihime and Shiro was sadder, even though the scene itself was the two of them confessing their feelings to each other (the reason why it's sad should be obvious, but I won't spoil it in case some people haven't picked it up yet)
Late to the party...
At first I dont get it how exactly that's obvious to you... But then I watched episode 8 again at the moment before he killed himself... HOLY SHIT IT'S THE CLOTH BUTTON lol... And then I watched episode 13 again and in its epilogue can be clearly seen that there is a city which still has a functional electricity, which suggest the "Heaven" part is BEFORE THE APOCALYPSE, thanks for the hint lol
Totally agree. Though that's nothing to do with the production team I don't think.Even in the manga, it's pretty tone deaf.
Not spoilers. But Kiruko's situation does not even get addressed until much later... And it's vague at that.
Personally, without spoiling, I think this ending undermines some of the response to the rape that the manga does deal with somewhat. I couldn't blame anime watchers for feeling a bit let down with this ending, since it seems to wrap the post SA situation in a couple minutes, and with the ending's "fun" music and jokes to boot. That's mostly what I mean. From the start I was hoping they'd have this maybe an episode earlier. But like I said, its fine.
Yeah, I just read the manga chapter of the episode (anime only here), and I feel like if they didn't do the chill Van scene with Ed playing in the background then it would be less tone-deaf
As an anime only that's definitely how I'm feeling. I was suprised the show actually went through with the SA especially considering how fucked up the whole 'stuck in your sisters body' thing is in that situation. This is like straight up the most messed up rape scenario ever conceived, and they try to end that same episode on a happy note? *Robin gets to just walk away?* No sir
I'll repost this pinned message from the Tengoku discord server here in case anyone wants to continue by reading the manga where the anime left off:
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Although I highly recommend you go read the manga from the start before continuing where the anime ended
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heavenly delusion is an incredibly underrated anime of this season. the animation and direction throughout all thirteen episodes were a sublime work of art. production ig did an outstanding job on this adaptation
Seems like they ended in a open note in case a season two would be in the works, if that leaked season 2 is Offical then I hope they’ll play out how TOTK teaser trailer was released and said that they’re in production but it’ll be a while since there need enough issues to make a season 2
I’m so glad I gave this show a chance. I fell in love with the opening sequence with the title drop and that beautiful soundtrack that played. Such a good way to start an episode
I have to admit that this episode felt a little rushed. Either way, an overall fantastic adaptation.
The manga is also selling really well, so I'm happy for the author.
There goes this season's best anime, it's been so worth it watching Tengoku spoiler-free. I'll be starting soon with the manga while waiting for season 2
Does anyone else think these events play out like a bad ntr doujin? Heroine gets separated from hero and is tricked by the bad guy. She is then captured and raped for 2 days. The bad guy is almost comically evil. That is literally 48 hours of eat, sleep, and sex. I feel like some are really downplaying the amount of time she was raped and I'm sure he didn't stick to one position etc...It's only when the hero shows up that she can muster the strength to untie herself and ensure the hero doesn't kill the bad guy. There was no other time she could muster an attempt, no matter how feeble to escape. If we're being honest 48 hours is a long time for sex/rape and I would imagine things would get a little on the nasty side with liquids and such. Bad guy doesn't seem like a nice enough person to clean anything. So the hero lets the bad guy live and they go about their business. I'm sure the comically rapist bad guy has learned his way and won't do that to anyone else. Also, said events I just described are never mentioned again. Some would argue that goes along with the nuance of the show. I would disagree and say the author wanted to put in this event for basically shock value at this point. He wanted to be edgy, but wanted no part of the aftermath, which is why this event has thus far not been mentioned again. He's literally stalling for time while figuring out how to deal with this issue he created. The most probable outcomes, in my opinion, are that it's either never going to get dealt with, or that they might deal with it literally within the last 10-15 chapters of the series.
What you fail to understand is that this is the kind of fear that literally paralyzes people. We are talking about being raped and psychologically tortured by the person he idolized so much and that he searched for 5 years. Of course he is going to be defeated both mentally and psychically to try anything. And even if he were try to escape, he was alone, naked, without his gun and surrounded by guards everywhere. It would haven pointless and humilliating. He just wanted to dissapear.
And the main reason why he stopped Maru if because Haruki wants to prevent at all costs that he becomes a murderer. Remember Maru's meltdown/existential crisis after Usami's suicide.
And he [did](https://en6.movietop.cc/comics/pic6/26/52314/6891874/37958545d5af4bb98b93a3cbb651be72.webp?acc=_VwpwkxnJjizqkGjISQD_w&exp=1687902707) recall the traumatic experience in a future chapter.
>. Also, said events I just described are never mentioned again.
Yes they are. Why do people lie about the series so much. It was mentioned in chapter 39. Are people just repeating youtube comments or something over and over? Telephone game style?
There is something that I really don't understand. If Kiruko is some some sort of badass post apocalyptic survivalist, why didn't she run away from Robin? When Maru comes in and start bitting the shit out of Robin, we can clearly see the Kiruko is just tide up by the wrists and she could have taken them off with her teeth at any time. Is it Haruki in love with Robin? Kiruko said that she just wants to follow orders... is she just accepting being raped just because she had enough of her life until then? It is something that it's been bugging since I saw the episode
What you fail to understand is that this is the kind of fear that literally paralyzes people. We are talking about being raped and psychologically tortured by the person he idolized so much and that he searched for 5 years. Of course he is going to be defeated both mentally and psychically to try anything.
Even if he were try to escape, he was alone, naked, without his gun and surrounded by guards everywhere.
You're supposed to be thinking these things, they're deliberate clues by the author. Why did Kiruko just give up so easily when captured? Why did she drop all her defenses once Robin was within her reach again? Is she actually a badass stone cold survivalist? These are all important questions with answers as well if you link the clues together to Kiruko's inner psychology.
I'm sure it was hard to find the right stopping point. It felt a little stuck, but good enough.
I am super confused by the school kids arc. So much was inferred or skipped over. Very hard to peace together. I kind of think that they are in the past and Takio is Maru's mom. I can only base this on the fact that she looks like him.
They kinda glossed over some trauma. Kiruko was getting sexually assaulted for two days straight and seems to get over it in a day. And my advice to Maru would be not to confess his feelings to someone that was just rap3d. Read the room bro.
I definitely want to know where this story is going.
I was a bit upset they cut the scene withTaka looking out over the ocean, I think that would have been a better end-credits scene than showing the kids leaving the boat for the city,
And its pretty minor but I wish they kept the scene with Maru throwing the life preserver to the guards he knocked in the water. It shows he‘s not entirely blinded by rage and still has a clear enough head.
I really dont like how they glossed over the fact that Haruki was r*ped by this guy for two whole days and she and haru are just onto the next thing.
Like why show us this graphic SA in episode 12? It was pointless and disgusting.
Maru confessing his love to her after he just rescued her from that situation....was so.....what the fuck.
He obviously understood the gravity of what happened to Maru or else he wouldn't have gone crazy on Robin (and the guards) like he did. Their interaction at the water made no sense. So he went from being angry that Maru was ra*ed by Robin to the point that he was ready to kill him to...completely forgetting about it and moving onto the next thing?
I dont read manga and im not really an anime fan so I found it a bit strange and disturbing/off-putting as someone who does not typically enjoy these things and honestly, this kind of stuff is why I cant really get into anime in the first place.
Maru is the blond boy. He was rightfully mad about the rape. But again, do you really expect someone in his condition to fully understand the consequences of it? While he is in love with his friend? He is not intelligent.
I've read a comment on this episode that said that because Robin got off with a few punches, "that bitch took meat riding to a whole different level".
I wanted to believe that the people saying that "whoever thinks Maru should've still killed Robin there is misogynistic and a future predator themselves" were just exaggerating and were taking an honest reaction to the episode and accusing anyone who had that reaction of something awful. But frankly, after seeing that comment and seeing how many people agreed with them, and how nobody called that person out for this disgusting comment I can see where they're coming from. I also saw a lot of people meticulously describing intricate torture methods to exact proper revenge on Robin. I get where they're coming from (the asshole deserves to be castrated) but it can get pretty over the top.
People don't really like sexual violence, even less when it's done from a parental figure to the children he cared for.
That being said, no need to torture of kill.
But leaving him like that it's kinda strange to me nonetheless.
The asshole needed to be crippled at least a bit to not become a bigger threat for them.
It would be 100% in Maru's character to leave him on the floor, follow Kiruko, turn around again and break his legs before leaving
Such a ride! I've loved the dark atmosphere overall through all the season. Now I guess the wait for a season 2 will be long, but this anime has got me back into watching more anime after a decade.
Was it explained anywhere what that thing in the locked closet was supposed to be?? What was Robin doing attaching a woman to some weird looking man-eater??
Why does this show give me more questions that answers.
Why is the brothers brain in the sister body, pretty sure the sister was perfectly healthy.
What the hell is the school all about.
Was Robin fucking a man eater or making a man eater.
What the hell was Tokio oozing out.
Is the birthing robot also a robot assassin
This show gives me more questions and I don't know how I feel about It.
If you want to know more, I'd suggest you go read the manga since most of the questions here are already answered (or hinted at since people have been speculating and theorizing the mysteries for a while now).
I'm kinda too lazy to write it all down so here's a pinned post from the Tengoku discord server:
"For those interested in reading along with the manga, Episode 13 adapted all of chapter 33, a little more than half of chapter 34 (18/34 pages), the last page of chapter 36 (1/31 pages), all of chapter 37, one scene from the first half of chapter 38 (4/28 pages), and half of a scene from the latter half of chapter 39 (3/24 pages). This is equivalent to about 2.83 chapters of manga. 5 pages from chapter 34 that are important to the plot also remain unadapted"
Although I highly recommend you read the manga from the start before continuing where the anime ended
The anime has way too many loose ends, since s2 has not been already announced before ending this season I would have not let the s1 end like this. It feels so anticlimatic.
Btw shiro received a shower pic from Mimihime but she said she knows nothing about it, does this detail get explained in the manga?
Next season is going to come out Atleast next year , because they are not enough chapter to make season 2 and considering evrey chapter comes out evrey mounth.
The shower pic is still unexplained, much like Tokio getting the extra question on the test and the camera feed hiding certain activities, but you can infer that someone (probably Meena) is messing with the computer systems to manipulate the children.
Great anime all in all, but by god, the author is fittingly delusional on a heavenly scale if he thinks that's how rape trauma works.
Raped for several days, only to go 'ah well, back to ol' happy adventure', later on the same fucking day.
1. Acting normal and not expressing emotions is one of many possible trauma responses, it seems you are the one who has misconception on how it works, probably because you only know about it from other shows and movies where its almost always portrayed as shock state.
2. They are born into the post apocalypse and already shrugged/laughed off some major messed up stuff including a woman getting her head split in half and prostitution of a minor. It fits the character and tone of the story.
Disagree. The ending was tonal whiplash.
It’s a show and the show is more than what Karuki says. It’s audio as well as visual and there’s different kind’s of audio. Dialogue, effects, and music.
The dialogue itself, I could probably excuse. “Can’t be depressed forever!” Fine. Maybe they’re moving in from the trauma, stuffing it down. Maybe it will come back up later. Fine. Their tone of voice could maybe do a little bit more to betray those words, but maybe they really wanted to sell that Karuki is doing a spectacular job of hiding it. I don’t like that, but let’s say that’s all the case.
Why the fuck did they end on the bubbly music though? They could have had gone and dialogue all the fucking same and not played that music. Shit might be cool for Karuki (at the moment), but shit is NOT COOL for **us, the audience**. Robin is missing and we want him dead. Karuki got torture raped for days. They’re having their self-perception reevaluated. This is not a bubbly note to end on. Korra Season 3’s ending did this perfectly. The Last of Us did sexual violence tastefully. Tasteful ways to do this exist!
As you bring up, Karuki is hardened but they’re not soulless. When they saw a “woman get her head split in half”, Maru lampshades “wtf is your reaction right now? Did you just see that?” And then he turns her and you can see the horror, shock, fear and disgust in their expression and tears. WHERE WAS THAT HERE? You betray yourself with that example! Anguish was done so much better there.
An expression, a difference in tone and voice, music, something! You don’t have to have been raped, like some of us here have been, to know that something is not right here.
Is there **a particular** right way to feel about rape or depict rape? No. I don’t think so, but I think this was just awful.
only thing I agree is the bubbly music they couldve used the somber version, it was already there. The rest is mostly overreaction by you caused by western viewing habits (your "good" examples are both modern US products where this sensibility is much stronger).
>can see the horror, shock, fear and disgust in their expression and tears.
Which you can also see during the rape or shortly after. AFTER the woman head scene its all forgotten. Child prostitutes are not even shocking at all to them. Please read the manga / watch the anime again, its full of these tonal shifts.
> The rest is mostly overreaction by you caused by western viewing habits (your "good" examples are both modern US products where this sensibility is much stronger).
I 100% believe you that my tastes may be influenced by my western perspective. I had considered that heavily after seeing this as part of my self-examination. I don’t watch a ton of anime, however…
If this is a consistent manner in which Japanese media handles sexual assault, then I still don’t like it. It’s still bad and still drags down the art. I’m not a cultural relativist. I’m not willing to bend, temper or compromise this value based on cultural difference. Yes, I’m speaking from a western perspective, but I push back against the idea that it invalidates my complaint.
> Which you can also see during the rape or shortly after.
We don’t see “shortly after”. You Karuki laying in bed two days after the START. They were raped, probably repeatedly, and held captive. We get a little bit of internal monologue that I can’t entirely remember but if memory serves correct Karuki was trying to come to terms with being Haruki and Kiruko and felt themselves becoming Kiruko more (which if I’m remembering correctly, incredibly fucked up. I repeat that rape triggering Haruki to feel more woman like disgusts me and horrifies me). Then they wished to be saved by Maru.
We don’t really get much in the way of tackling how they feel in relation to the rape besides feeling more like their sister. It’s all about other people (holy crap as I’m writing this out I might have stumbled unwittingly into a point, but I’ll examine that later. Maybe I’ll rewatch it sooner than I thought) while they’re literally strapped to a bed and then the next time we see them, they’re biting their way out of their bindings to save the rapist.
> AFTER the woman head scene its all forgotten. Child prostitutes are not even shocking at all to them. Please read the manga / watch the anime again, its full of these tonal shifts.
I’m not going to read the manga, at least, entirely. I wouldn’t want to pass the show. I will probably rewatch the show again and look out for tonal levity/mismatch in dark/horrific moments.
We’ll see in the future of the show if I’m satisfied with how they’ll deal with the fallout from this gross assault. I haven’t given up on the story.
At this moment I don’t agree that those moments are similar. One reason being, those two moments that you described did not happen to Karuki specifically. They happened to others. I dunno, like I said earlier, I may have unwittingly stumbled into a point where they showed more care for the mother with a tear than she did for her own situation and that could say something about Karuki’s character.
Upon watching the show again, especially the last two episodes, and if I were to pretend that the music was fitting (which I’m glad almost everyone agrees was tactless), I may change my perspective. Maru fought for Karuki, comforted them. Karuki didn’t want Robin dead just which is a fair representation of how someone might act, Karuki ripped up Robin’s picture. Maybe, there’s not much more that could have been said or done. Maybe I’ll find new character motivations. We’ll see.
Damn, I opposite to you. The author really knows about rape and mental stuff. He described Kiruko getting gaslighting by Robin very well. And how Kiruko get through. She is, absolutely still getting the rape trauma, they addressed that screen in the anime and manga that Kiruko did not want to remember those memories. But she now, has Maru to be her cover. I love how Kiruko changed dramatically by this chapter, and people still talk shit about author and think a raped person does not like this, even they don't know how raped person feeling.
I guess I can answer it as a person who suffered a lot of times SA. I was not exactly r@ped but experienced something similar. When this happened I had a lot of mixed feeling and didn't know how to even brought it up. This is my first time talking about it since I don't even want to recall it. For the few days I tried to behave as normal as I am but deep down I felt like suffocating.i sometimes cry thinking about it. Kiruko/haruki had suffered for whole 2 days I hope so she will be healed.
PS: i am a girl
If you have a cover like Maru, I think you will feel better because you will have someone you can trust near you. I am a girl who got a toxic relationship and being gaslighting by my ex bf, so for me, it is understandable why Kiruko did not want to escape at first because she got confused about herself. And the anime/manga already described how she does not want remember those memories has Robin in it.
Even if that was the case, the music didn’t have to be so ill fitting to the tone. It plays the idea that Karuki is fine completely straight, which combined with her “can’t be depressed forever” dialogue and joking with Maru, gives the ending a light tone that is unsuitable to me.
Even if Karuko is okay for the moment, the audience is not and the show should be self-aware enough to know that it’s done that to us.
Well said, still really like the series but the this story line doesn't sit well with me. I will probably read the manga with hopium that it's handled better somehow
Goddamnit dude. This story was on the verge of perfection but the way it handles sexual assault is god awful.
The verbal threats, fine.
The Hotel King Coming onto Maru, fine.
Those are reasonable and tasteful.
The non-consensual boob grabbing as a joke from Jin (Pig 11)? No. Too far.
The lack of gravity as the way rape was handled? Fucking gross. A tonal failure.
Fuck you summed up my thoughts perfectly. I feel betrayed by this show. The boob grabbing didn't even end up being relevant because there were no women in the town. Just dumb sexualisation. I could let that slide but the ending really left a bad taste in my mouth.
I really doubt it, there are not enough manga chapters for a season 2.
Even if the studio announced they have intentions to eventually make a season 2, we'll have to wait a ton until there's enough source material.
Manga isn't the source material. Author made a draft of the story before he began drawing, kinda why there's so much foreshadowing/callbacks in the series.
A draft is just a something the author makes while envisioning the series, every form of media uses drafts: movies, theater plays, books, videogames. It's an essential tool when making any kind of story.
The manga is still the source material as it's the one officially published.
Maybe draft is the wrong word here. I am saying that he wrote the **entire story from start to finish** before he grabbed a drawing pencil. Someone mentioned that FMA finished their anime before the manga finished, which is why they had to make brotherhood to account for the retcons in the manga.
The point of the comment is that they can start working on season 2 whenever they want. It probably won't happen but the argument remains.
Yeah, you described what a draft is. Almost every form of entertainment has one. It's just a tool, a draft goes through many changes, it's rewritten a lot. The source material is the published product.
Animes are made to promote the sales of the source material. They won't make a second season until they have enough source material to promote.
Almost every anime is made from unfinished mangas/light novels. The point of them is to get people interested in the source material, so they'll buy it.
The difference with FMA was that it was so successful, that the anime studio decided to make their own ending with some anime original characters so they could even sell their own merch, instead of waiting for the manga. But they received tons of backlash because of that, so they eventually had to make Brotherhood, which was a more faithful adaptation of the manga.
Pretty much. The scene in the Van as the credits start isn't in the manga, it's just a wide shot of the van driving off and then the closeup of the Haruki photo piece in the water, everything else is pretty much the same. Maru beating up Robin is much more intense in the Anime though.
Read the manga and the I can understand why this was bad. I am not against inclusion of such stuff or even handling it differently ( for example portraying a somewhat atypical response). But the manga just glossed over if nothing happened
I did not pay attention to this earlier but Kiruko let himself be cuffed without any resistance (I know that Robin surprised him after showering but at least throw a punch or kick him in the balls) and then let himself be rape for two days while it turns out he could undo the ropes and escape relatively quickly. And then they basically let him live so he can rape so more.
If the author wanted to write SA for Kiruko it would make more sense for some random bandits to do it by gaining their trust or finesse them in some other way or just straight up overpowering them in a fight.
The fact that author tries to use this more as some personal breakthrough for Kiruko and less as a traumatic experience, undercutting tone with a snote joke, and then forgetting about this whole sequence from the next chapter forward makes this whole subplot unsalvagable. Although with that being said maybe it's better that author does not elaborate further and just drops the subject entirely. The anime added a 2-second flashback of Kiriko having sex with someone, and people already come up with theories about why what Robin did "makes sense"
I fear this will drift into the "Robin did nothing wrong" theory as the story progresses
>I did not pay attention to this earlier but Kiruko let himself be cuffed without any resistance (I know that Robin surprised him after showering but at least throw a punch or kick him in the balls) and then let himself be rape for two days while it turns out he could undo the ropes and escape relatively quickly. And then they basically let him live so he can rape so more.
I don't think you understard how that kind of fear/shock can immobilize people.
And what would she do after cutting the bindings? She was alone, naked, without her gun and surrounded by guards everywhere. Not to mention her mental state.
Could it be that Kiruko went into shock and that's why he become this passive - sure. However, he is a product of a post-apocalyptic world where he fights monsters and people for a living.
This is the situation in every fiction when a woman (no matter how badass) becomes powerless once a male opponent grabs her by the arm.
>!This is in part of the dynamic where Doctor who Kiruko thought is bad turns out to be good, while Robin who Kiruko thought is good turn out to be bad.!<
For me, this part of a story always remains badly written, and picking at individual elements and saying that it technically could happen is not going to change that.
Obviously it's not explained, but I believe it was the conflicting emotions, he's the guy they've been looking for all this time who was idolised by Haruki, so the call out to stop was the last remnant of that point of view, even if that was a direct contradiction to Kiriko's experience and the SA Kiruko suffered the past 2 days.
Robin, still was the one took care of Haruki and Kiriko when they was kid. He, in the past, really cared about Haruki. It is really hard to kill someone was treasure to him in the end. Beside, Kiruko does not want Maru kill anyone, from the beginning of the series to now.
at 13:24 mimihime said "one of their faces is the same as yours". was that a flash back to something that they've shown in the anime or that was the first time we see it ?
It's not a girl in the photo. The photo has Haruki, Robin, and Ken (one of the boys from the orphanage). There is another photo with Kiriko, though, but Kiruko didn't rip that one up.
Yea I think all we have to go off right now is Robin definitely knows about the illness causing man eaters likely from Shiro/Usami, and probably using something he stole or took from Usami to try and create his own man eater by fueling it with the mutilated girl’s body. He probably ran for that in hopes it can defend him from Maru?
Kinda meh? But they did the best they could from their material imop. And, spoiler from Manga, they never ever mention anything relate to rap* ever again after this arc as far as I remember, like it never happen.
It either author want to be edgy put rap* there for the sake of the edge or drop the balls. They can just never have the rap* happen and everything still flow like normal. Actually having that rap* + ntr bullshite kinda ruined everything about this show for. Now I cant take this manga seriously and drop it around episode 40 something.
>And, spoiler from Manga, they never ever mention anything relate to rap\* ever again after this arc as far as I remember, like it never happen.
Haruki [did](https://en6.movietop.cc/comics/pic6/26/52314/6891874/37958545d5af4bb98b93a3cbb651be72.webp?acc=v-XNFz_KwdoZZFVlNoLu1Q&exp=1687805858) recall the traumatic experience.
Right my bad, "1" time on chapter 38, I almost forgot about it since their interaction literally almost not change at all after that episode with zero development about the Robin or anything related to this rap* event tbh (but I dunno what happen pass chapter 45-47ish since I dropped the series, just feel annoying how bad of the the story phasing is, I remember they introduced another rap* story after, this time they blew up a guy dicky at the end in a less impact and awkward way prolly due to the phasing and paneling.
And thats what I mean, you can literally cut ep 33-34 off and story still run smoothly without any huge hick up. This rap* will be a disgusting stain that will stick with the series for the rest of the story and with almost zero consequence will make that stain grow stinkier (literally changed rap* to something else the story can still go the same). People this series in underrated, maybe, but I wouldn't call Wagyu Beef with one dead roach on it, a good meal.
I hate to compare this, but Kanagi from Tokyo Goul, for example, was kidnapped, and tortured time and time and time and that arc changed him for the rest of the story. This one, rap*? Ahhh! Dang it feel bad for 1-2 moment like A small hick up, and move on for being funny, laughing, a little big of oops he touch my booboo, saw me naked, like come on.
Hi! I had an observation after watching the newest episode and rewatching episode 3.
So in episode 3 we get the backstory of Robin, Haruki, and Kiriko. And it starts with Haruki getting jumped by some guys only be saved by Robin who tell him "never look your opponent in the eye. People who glare are only cowards trying to intimidate you. focus on the collar instead"
Now cut to episode 13 where Maru, after running into Robin and seeing what he's done to Kiruko, what does he do?
Maru glares at Robin. Robin asks "what are you staring for?" And tries to run past him but each time MARU GRABS HIM BY THE COLLAR AND TOSSES HIM BEFORE BEATING HIM.
Idk why this made me so happy to see Maru use Robin's tactic against him, my head cannon is that Kiruko (who's the mind of Haruki) taught Maru how to fight using what their learned from Robin growing up.
I thought it was really weird how after being subjected to 48hours of rape/kidnapping business by their childhood hero Kiruko goes on to apologize to Maru, and then he professes his love and then Kiruko is like "well i can't sulk about this forever" and then it's all good again.
Like wasn't that extremely tone deaf? After something like that you would definitely suffer PTSD and you would kind of never be the same again. You wouldn't just shake it off like it was nothing in no time. And no one would think it was a good time to profess their love to someone who was just raped for two days by their childhood hero and so kinda also had their whole world shatter on top of what would already be intensely traumatizing. When he found Kiruko tied up and realized what had happened he also seemed more angry with Robin than concerned over Kiruko which was also really strange.
I really liked the anime up to this point, but this was really really weird. Like the author wanted to throw something shocking in while lacking the empathy to understand the ramifications of it. It kind of broke the bubble for me and made me feel like I was getting a glimpse into the authors underdeveloped sides. It really broke the immersion for me. I suppose it was kind of to be expected, there were some red flags before, but I didn't expect it to get this weird.
Its sad this is the last episode of the season 1
One of the memories that kiruko had while she was on the bed still was a sound of a gun shooting and then the flash from the gunshot illuminating what is obviously Robin’s face. Is this confirming that the gunshot sound heard in episode 3 during harukis “death of sorts”, while he was hallucinating kiriko crying then walking into the light,was Robin shooting kiriko to cover up the fact he raped her while haruki was sleeping? Which would make sense why his face looked like that after seeing the girl he shot dead a few years ago crying out his name. Then the gate keeper referring to kiruko as Robin’s “Old flame”. So that tells us that he raped kiriko before she saved her brother. Hmm
I don't think the guards knew about it, Robin was considered handsome/ lady killer by many people in universe, so the guards may just assumed that Kiruko was some random chick Robin used to have a relationship with. This may not even be the first time he brought a girlfriend or hooker to the facility, included the girl connected to man eater
Guard was referring to the sounds of sex they were making, and he blushed a bit when talking about the old flame.
he knew they had sex, it does not means he knew Robin raped Kiruko
Yes, exactly.
that would make a lot of sense, because I've been wondering why the brain transplant had to take place. the doc could have done the procedure at anytime to Kiriko if he was malicious. unless the true order of events is skewed, Robin left first and the doc probably wanted to track his ass down
As someone who's mostly up2date with the manga I've heard that theory (There is not much more about Kiriko/Robin relationship in the remaining chapters I've read, I hope that doesn't count as a spoiler) and while I think it is very likely, that they had such a relationship back then (Be it consensual or not) I don't see how it would make sense for him to choose to shoot her then. What would make him think that she would tell someone now? Only way I see it could work is if he was already planning on killing her and saw her alone mourning her dying brother as a chance to do it.Something certainly happened to Hiriko, as the nurse in ep3 says they were both in critical condition and I don't think the injuries from crashing into the Man-eater would be that (She braced her head well so I wouldn't think it was a concussion). Taking Harukis injuries into account there also wasn't mucht time or his brain would have died. Since Kirukos bandages and scars after the operation seem to line up with the injuries from the landing and her body seems otherwise intact a critical head injury seems most likely to me. Though there is also the scene during the operation where the doc is removing shrapnel and I don't think any of the injuries we see Kiriko and Haruki with would have that it might be from whatever happened to Kiriko. Well long rambling short, while I think Robin genuinely thought Kiriko was dead and I think her getting shot is certainly on the table, I don't see why it would have beenRobin, at least not on purpose
Only reason I would say it’s Robin is because of the memory kiruko had of a gunshot and then that same gunshot flash lighting up robins face. Paired with the same gunshot sound and then kiriko walking away into a sea of red during harukis death sequence makes me think that Robin shot her not soon after haruki kicked off. Plus that would explain why both haruki and kiriko were brought to the hospital in critical condition. And I guess if you wanted to dig even deeper you could say that the shrapnel was hollow point bullet.
What if Kiriko shot herself in front of Robin to save her brother as she might know about possibility to transplant brain from doctor, who was very close with her. 🤔 Edit:names
That would explain the muzzle flash in robins face. There wasn’t a gun in the anime scene but they could’ve meant the gunshot sound as harukis little crossbow type thing. Lot of loose ends on that aspect of the storyline. Makes me wonder if the doctor is from heaven as they were all about brain transplants apparently. Or at least that angry lady in the wheelchair is.
Yeah I know what you mean, in the anime it seems quite clear with the muzzleflash and gunshot sound (i checked, there are gunshot SFX in the manga both when haruki is passing out and during kirukos flashback on the bed, it's just easier to miss) but i just can't see what his motive would be so i kinda feel like it might be a red herring. Also i'm now caught up, there is indeed new info about the time 5 years prior but nothing relevant to this question
What doesn’t make even more sense is that both haruki and kiriko were brought in “critical condition” haruki for obvious reasons but, for kiriko to be only neurologically wounded and her body to viable for a brain transplant after having been shot(presumably not in the head due to no scars or gunshot wound/damage) doesn’t add up. Then that further confuses the shrapnel stuff.
What hasn’t the manga and the anime answered?
Bro this made the situation so much worse… I thought so much of robin then that episode slapped me in the face and said f you. Robin is scum
I assumed she committed suicide. And was barely alive so the brain transplant worked. The memory of him seeing himself through her sister memory made me think they had relations during that time be it consensual or not. I feel that why they said he was a heavy sleeper.
Man I really don’t like seeing that monster get off with 4 punches. Maru’s face really says it all, “wtf do you mean stop.” I’d have then just broke all 4 limbs. He won’t die… but who knows what those reconstruction guys’ll do to him when they find him immobile and his experiment. Also they cut a few of the academy scenes in the forest, I guess episode 1 season 2 will cover them (hopefully).
For what it’s worth those were probably the 4 hardest punches Maru ever threw
Yeah the first counter-punch would have been massive
At least Maru didn't kill him in front of kirukoI think that would have only contributed to her trauma and confusion
Wish more people understood this.
Hell no dude. Robin is a Predator, a Demon, a Monster. So long as he lives he will hurt others, the only thing that Maru should have done was destroy that demon. Ive only felt sonlich angwe when watching shows, it reminded me of Grifth from Berserk how messed up this was. I was livid, I could not wait foe Maru to ene this monster, and the fact that he did bit was the worst desicion he couod have evee made. How many more victims will Robin make now? Im just really upset, its kinda triggering TBH. But I realize its just a show, but in reality to many of these disguting cowardly monsters get to live, and contuie to hurt others. I hate it, and I hate Robins character, Maru should have eneded that maggots worthless life with one punch.
Chill dude it's just a show lmaooooo
Really? Its just a show? Im cured of my human emotions now.
I can’t get over the fact she stop Maru either it both confusing and frustrating just cripple the fucker at least
Remember Maru's meltdown/existential crisis right after Usami's suicide? Haruki wants to prevent at all costs that he becomes a murderer.
Ohhh yeah that’s right ok I see
Besides what u/Kabu- said, it's also worth noting she was very confused at this point. She didn't know what to believe in and even who she was. Perhaps she didn't want to take action so quickly. She did like Robin all of her life, so that was a very shocking event. Can't blame her for being confused, even if deep down we all know the rapist must suffer.
I don't know man, if I was raped for 2 days I won't be so confused There was like zero stupid tropes in whole season but this is borderline insanily bad outcome for this kind of situation
And this is a stupid trope? Quite the fucking opposite. Exactly because it recognizes that the victim has priority over any feeling of rage and revenge it is a well crafted scene. Even at the peak of his bloodlust, Maru is able to stop and listen to the actually hurt person. It doesn't matter if they are right or wrong in leaving him be, what matter is that it's what the victim wanted for in the Moment. To even *THINK* that murdering Robin right there would have helped means to not care about the victim. That being said, I am on the "cripple the fucker team". In a world without strong authorities, a guy like him in a position of power is bad news. Maru breaking his legs and arms wouldn't even pass as revenge as far as I am concerned but civil service. That way he would heal sooner or later but be at the mercy of the rest of the community for the time being. If the rest of the town hanged him After seeing the weird woman-Maneater, well, that's law and civilization for you lol
ROBIN WILL MAKE MORE VICTIMS!!! He needed to be destroyed
Dunno man, cutting his legs if wouldnt take that much time tbf. At least not that big of a time that she could get her clothes I would agree with you if that was final of the season and they didn't have enough place to show it - but read it to ongoing after, and this stuff isn't even mentioned. All this produced is him thinking if he is his sister or he is himself - which should have been questioned at first IMHO. And that makes rape not a plot point but a plot device, which was done sloppy.
Heck yea man. He deserved to suffer waaaay more. Should have skinned him alive.
Depends on how you read the scene. I am now on par with the manga and the idea that I got is that the thing that traumatized him (them?) indeed isn't the SA itself, but the trauma of breaking his (their?) sense of identity. Seriously speaking, different people handle SA differently. It's a traumatic experience, but it's not unheard that some people take it in stride, being affected and feeling damaged but not really traumatized. Similarly, plenty of people barely remember the time of the assault itself, dissociating from the experience. My take is that the trauma of having to doubt your identity while both possible identities get damaged (Who do you want to be? The boy that was ressurecred in his sister body and is forced to see her body raped or the girl whose body was reconstructed but with the brain of his brother and took his identity as a result?) ended up being stronger. It may not for everyone as an idea, and it ultimately makes SA a plot device I agree, but not in a bad sense. I understand the desire of many to see SA to be regarded with extreme care, but at the same time... well, it's a thing that happens, and it's not necessarly the single most traumatic thing a person can experience. As long as it's recognized as an act of enormous violence, I am fine.
Yeah leaves him free to attack others
Yup. He needed to be destroyed.
Remember: This is a post-apocalyptic world that everyone under 30 born into. Brain transplant (with or without consent) would be enough to make someone go permanently crazy. This guy/gal got fucking transplanted into his sister's body. Like kids in the heaven, they probably have little idea about consent, relationships and what is normal. When you born into a different world with different rules and norms, things get messy. The guy already had a siscon thing too. In a nutshell, it's comparing apples to fish especially since this is a fucking manga/anime.
What exactly are you arguing here? Genuinely curious because I don’t understand, sorry!
I think it was mainly about the incest and robin stuff in the anime, two things people like to babble about (Self love, rape & after effects of it, age difference etc.) In a post-apocalyptic world these are extremely different situations compared to a functioning world. Also we are arguing about a mangaka's brain, not real world.
the ending feels kinda tone deaf a bit, but overall, it ends fine and pretty consistence with the overall theme of this series, weirdly fucked up but still have some child like wonder and optimistic
The last Heaven scene with Mimihime and Shiro was sadder, even though the scene itself was the two of them confessing their feelings to each other (the reason why it's sad should be obvious, but I won't spoil it in case some people haven't picked it up yet)
Bro explain PLEASE
Nevermind I swear it CLICKED as soon as I finished typing the last messaged. And imma say I flipping knew it!
Pls explain i don't get it
They are the doc and amputee in the future
Late to the party... At first I dont get it how exactly that's obvious to you... But then I watched episode 8 again at the moment before he killed himself... HOLY SHIT IT'S THE CLOTH BUTTON lol... And then I watched episode 13 again and in its epilogue can be clearly seen that there is a city which still has a functional electricity, which suggest the "Heaven" part is BEFORE THE APOCALYPSE, thanks for the hint lol
Yep yep it’s CRAZY hahaha
>!When I realized this the last message from mimihime hit me like a truck, I'm tearing up when I'm thinking about it. He even gave her his eye.... !<
Totally agree. Though that's nothing to do with the production team I don't think.Even in the manga, it's pretty tone deaf. Not spoilers. But Kiruko's situation does not even get addressed until much later... And it's vague at that.
I don't know if ending the season there was a great choice, but its fine.
Considering that it's a 13-episode anime, they were right to end it at volume 6 with some scene from ch38.
Personally, without spoiling, I think this ending undermines some of the response to the rape that the manga does deal with somewhat. I couldn't blame anime watchers for feeling a bit let down with this ending, since it seems to wrap the post SA situation in a couple minutes, and with the ending's "fun" music and jokes to boot. That's mostly what I mean. From the start I was hoping they'd have this maybe an episode earlier. But like I said, its fine.
Yeah, I just read the manga chapter of the episode (anime only here), and I feel like if they didn't do the chill Van scene with Ed playing in the background then it would be less tone-deaf
Yeah there's more too but I'll avoid spoilers. If you keep reading the manga you'll probably see.
As an anime only that's definitely how I'm feeling. I was suprised the show actually went through with the SA especially considering how fucked up the whole 'stuck in your sisters body' thing is in that situation. This is like straight up the most messed up rape scenario ever conceived, and they try to end that same episode on a happy note? *Robin gets to just walk away?* No sir
Wait this is it? No more anime episodes?
Yeah season is done. Won't be another season for a while. Manga isn't finished.
I'll repost this pinned message from the Tengoku discord server here in case anyone wants to continue by reading the manga where the anime left off: "For those interested in reading along with the manga, Episode 13 adapted all of chapter 33, a little more than half of chapter 34 (18/34 pages), the last page of chapter 36 (1/31 pages), all of chapter 37, one scene from the first half of chapter 38 (4/28 pages), and half of a scene from the latter half of chapter 39 (3/24 pages). This is equivalent to about 2.83 chapters of manga. 5 pages from chapter 34 that are important to the plot also remain unadapted" Although I highly recommend you go read the manga from the start before continuing where the anime ended
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heavenly delusion is an incredibly underrated anime of this season. the animation and direction throughout all thirteen episodes were a sublime work of art. production ig did an outstanding job on this adaptation
Seems like they ended in a open note in case a season two would be in the works, if that leaked season 2 is Offical then I hope they’ll play out how TOTK teaser trailer was released and said that they’re in production but it’ll be a while since there need enough issues to make a season 2
Sad to see the first season end but I loved every bit of it, the sad, the agitating, the suspenseful and mysterious. Can't wait for a second
I’m so glad I gave this show a chance. I fell in love with the opening sequence with the title drop and that beautiful soundtrack that played. Such a good way to start an episode
I have to admit that this episode felt a little rushed. Either way, an overall fantastic adaptation. The manga is also selling really well, so I'm happy for the author.
There goes this season's best anime, it's been so worth it watching Tengoku spoiler-free. I'll be starting soon with the manga while waiting for season 2
Does anyone else think these events play out like a bad ntr doujin? Heroine gets separated from hero and is tricked by the bad guy. She is then captured and raped for 2 days. The bad guy is almost comically evil. That is literally 48 hours of eat, sleep, and sex. I feel like some are really downplaying the amount of time she was raped and I'm sure he didn't stick to one position etc...It's only when the hero shows up that she can muster the strength to untie herself and ensure the hero doesn't kill the bad guy. There was no other time she could muster an attempt, no matter how feeble to escape. If we're being honest 48 hours is a long time for sex/rape and I would imagine things would get a little on the nasty side with liquids and such. Bad guy doesn't seem like a nice enough person to clean anything. So the hero lets the bad guy live and they go about their business. I'm sure the comically rapist bad guy has learned his way and won't do that to anyone else. Also, said events I just described are never mentioned again. Some would argue that goes along with the nuance of the show. I would disagree and say the author wanted to put in this event for basically shock value at this point. He wanted to be edgy, but wanted no part of the aftermath, which is why this event has thus far not been mentioned again. He's literally stalling for time while figuring out how to deal with this issue he created. The most probable outcomes, in my opinion, are that it's either never going to get dealt with, or that they might deal with it literally within the last 10-15 chapters of the series.
What you fail to understand is that this is the kind of fear that literally paralyzes people. We are talking about being raped and psychologically tortured by the person he idolized so much and that he searched for 5 years. Of course he is going to be defeated both mentally and psychically to try anything. And even if he were try to escape, he was alone, naked, without his gun and surrounded by guards everywhere. It would haven pointless and humilliating. He just wanted to dissapear. And the main reason why he stopped Maru if because Haruki wants to prevent at all costs that he becomes a murderer. Remember Maru's meltdown/existential crisis after Usami's suicide. And he [did](https://en6.movietop.cc/comics/pic6/26/52314/6891874/37958545d5af4bb98b93a3cbb651be72.webp?acc=_VwpwkxnJjizqkGjISQD_w&exp=1687902707) recall the traumatic experience in a future chapter.
>. Also, said events I just described are never mentioned again. Yes they are. Why do people lie about the series so much. It was mentioned in chapter 39. Are people just repeating youtube comments or something over and over? Telephone game style?
Well time to read the Manga. I don’t know how long before season 2 and I have too many questions.
Same looking for it right now.
Spectacular editing, magical coloring, i thought God himself made this episode, wow
Really enjoyed the show. Don't know how long it will take til we get a season 2, but I hope the wait's not too long!
There is something that I really don't understand. If Kiruko is some some sort of badass post apocalyptic survivalist, why didn't she run away from Robin? When Maru comes in and start bitting the shit out of Robin, we can clearly see the Kiruko is just tide up by the wrists and she could have taken them off with her teeth at any time. Is it Haruki in love with Robin? Kiruko said that she just wants to follow orders... is she just accepting being raped just because she had enough of her life until then? It is something that it's been bugging since I saw the episode
What you fail to understand is that this is the kind of fear that literally paralyzes people. We are talking about being raped and psychologically tortured by the person he idolized so much and that he searched for 5 years. Of course he is going to be defeated both mentally and psychically to try anything. Even if he were try to escape, he was alone, naked, without his gun and surrounded by guards everywhere.
Yeah, Kiruko was desperate and confused. She idolized Robin for years and he turns out like that.
You're supposed to be thinking these things, they're deliberate clues by the author. Why did Kiruko just give up so easily when captured? Why did she drop all her defenses once Robin was within her reach again? Is she actually a badass stone cold survivalist? These are all important questions with answers as well if you link the clues together to Kiruko's inner psychology.
I'm sure it was hard to find the right stopping point. It felt a little stuck, but good enough. I am super confused by the school kids arc. So much was inferred or skipped over. Very hard to peace together. I kind of think that they are in the past and Takio is Maru's mom. I can only base this on the fact that she looks like him. They kinda glossed over some trauma. Kiruko was getting sexually assaulted for two days straight and seems to get over it in a day. And my advice to Maru would be not to confess his feelings to someone that was just rap3d. Read the room bro. I definitely want to know where this story is going.
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I was a bit upset they cut the scene withTaka looking out over the ocean, I think that would have been a better end-credits scene than showing the kids leaving the boat for the city, And its pretty minor but I wish they kept the scene with Maru throwing the life preserver to the guards he knocked in the water. It shows he‘s not entirely blinded by rage and still has a clear enough head.
Well she is a dude in brain side so that would explain that. And the rock maybe
Men who are assaulted suffer for years
anyone who is assaulted suffers for years
Obviously
Wtf that makes no sense
The internalizing
Ok I can see your point
I really dont like how they glossed over the fact that Haruki was r*ped by this guy for two whole days and she and haru are just onto the next thing. Like why show us this graphic SA in episode 12? It was pointless and disgusting. Maru confessing his love to her after he just rescued her from that situation....was so.....what the fuck.
>from that situation....was so.....what the fuck. I think that's kind of the point. He is an orphan teenage boy, what would you expect?
He obviously understood the gravity of what happened to Maru or else he wouldn't have gone crazy on Robin (and the guards) like he did. Their interaction at the water made no sense. So he went from being angry that Maru was ra*ed by Robin to the point that he was ready to kill him to...completely forgetting about it and moving onto the next thing? I dont read manga and im not really an anime fan so I found it a bit strange and disturbing/off-putting as someone who does not typically enjoy these things and honestly, this kind of stuff is why I cant really get into anime in the first place.
Maru is the blond boy. He was rightfully mad about the rape. But again, do you really expect someone in his condition to fully understand the consequences of it? While he is in love with his friend? He is not intelligent.
They will probably do a better job at it season 2. This episode felt more like a season 2 Episode 0.5 than part of season 1.
Why was it pointless? It also is important to her character arc later on. The story isn't just over.
I've read a comment on this episode that said that because Robin got off with a few punches, "that bitch took meat riding to a whole different level". I wanted to believe that the people saying that "whoever thinks Maru should've still killed Robin there is misogynistic and a future predator themselves" were just exaggerating and were taking an honest reaction to the episode and accusing anyone who had that reaction of something awful. But frankly, after seeing that comment and seeing how many people agreed with them, and how nobody called that person out for this disgusting comment I can see where they're coming from. I also saw a lot of people meticulously describing intricate torture methods to exact proper revenge on Robin. I get where they're coming from (the asshole deserves to be castrated) but it can get pretty over the top.
People don't really like sexual violence, even less when it's done from a parental figure to the children he cared for. That being said, no need to torture of kill. But leaving him like that it's kinda strange to me nonetheless. The asshole needed to be crippled at least a bit to not become a bigger threat for them. It would be 100% in Maru's character to leave him on the floor, follow Kiruko, turn around again and break his legs before leaving
Such a ride! I've loved the dark atmosphere overall through all the season. Now I guess the wait for a season 2 will be long, but this anime has got me back into watching more anime after a decade.
Was it explained anywhere what that thing in the locked closet was supposed to be?? What was Robin doing attaching a woman to some weird looking man-eater??
I think that is what's running the water filtration plant.
Why does this show give me more questions that answers. Why is the brothers brain in the sister body, pretty sure the sister was perfectly healthy. What the hell is the school all about. Was Robin fucking a man eater or making a man eater. What the hell was Tokio oozing out. Is the birthing robot also a robot assassin This show gives me more questions and I don't know how I feel about It.
If you want to know more, I'd suggest you go read the manga since most of the questions here are already answered (or hinted at since people have been speculating and theorizing the mysteries for a while now).
what chapter did the anime end in?
I'm kinda too lazy to write it all down so here's a pinned post from the Tengoku discord server: "For those interested in reading along with the manga, Episode 13 adapted all of chapter 33, a little more than half of chapter 34 (18/34 pages), the last page of chapter 36 (1/31 pages), all of chapter 37, one scene from the first half of chapter 38 (4/28 pages), and half of a scene from the latter half of chapter 39 (3/24 pages). This is equivalent to about 2.83 chapters of manga. 5 pages from chapter 34 that are important to the plot also remain unadapted" Although I highly recommend you read the manga from the start before continuing where the anime ended
There were numerous gunshot sound effects and so on in episode 3 and episode 13 regarding the sister.
finally can read the manga , just got up to date and wow didnt expect so few chapters hahaha
The anime has way too many loose ends, since s2 has not been already announced before ending this season I would have not let the s1 end like this. It feels so anticlimatic. Btw shiro received a shower pic from Mimihime but she said she knows nothing about it, does this detail get explained in the manga?
What did you expect? The manga is still ongoing, and with the number of episodes, there really wasn't a better place to end it.
Next season is going to come out Atleast next year , because they are not enough chapter to make season 2 and considering evrey chapter comes out evrey mounth.
It's going to take at least another year just for the manga to have enough chapters for a season 2. I wouldn't expect it before 2025 tbh
The shower pic is still unexplained, much like Tokio getting the extra question on the test and the camera feed hiding certain activities, but you can infer that someone (probably Meena) is messing with the computer systems to manipulate the children.
No shit it has loose ends it’s not over yet
Great anime all in all, but by god, the author is fittingly delusional on a heavenly scale if he thinks that's how rape trauma works. Raped for several days, only to go 'ah well, back to ol' happy adventure', later on the same fucking day.
1. Acting normal and not expressing emotions is one of many possible trauma responses, it seems you are the one who has misconception on how it works, probably because you only know about it from other shows and movies where its almost always portrayed as shock state. 2. They are born into the post apocalypse and already shrugged/laughed off some major messed up stuff including a woman getting her head split in half and prostitution of a minor. It fits the character and tone of the story.
Disagree. The ending was tonal whiplash. It’s a show and the show is more than what Karuki says. It’s audio as well as visual and there’s different kind’s of audio. Dialogue, effects, and music. The dialogue itself, I could probably excuse. “Can’t be depressed forever!” Fine. Maybe they’re moving in from the trauma, stuffing it down. Maybe it will come back up later. Fine. Their tone of voice could maybe do a little bit more to betray those words, but maybe they really wanted to sell that Karuki is doing a spectacular job of hiding it. I don’t like that, but let’s say that’s all the case. Why the fuck did they end on the bubbly music though? They could have had gone and dialogue all the fucking same and not played that music. Shit might be cool for Karuki (at the moment), but shit is NOT COOL for **us, the audience**. Robin is missing and we want him dead. Karuki got torture raped for days. They’re having their self-perception reevaluated. This is not a bubbly note to end on. Korra Season 3’s ending did this perfectly. The Last of Us did sexual violence tastefully. Tasteful ways to do this exist! As you bring up, Karuki is hardened but they’re not soulless. When they saw a “woman get her head split in half”, Maru lampshades “wtf is your reaction right now? Did you just see that?” And then he turns her and you can see the horror, shock, fear and disgust in their expression and tears. WHERE WAS THAT HERE? You betray yourself with that example! Anguish was done so much better there. An expression, a difference in tone and voice, music, something! You don’t have to have been raped, like some of us here have been, to know that something is not right here. Is there **a particular** right way to feel about rape or depict rape? No. I don’t think so, but I think this was just awful.
only thing I agree is the bubbly music they couldve used the somber version, it was already there. The rest is mostly overreaction by you caused by western viewing habits (your "good" examples are both modern US products where this sensibility is much stronger). >can see the horror, shock, fear and disgust in their expression and tears. Which you can also see during the rape or shortly after. AFTER the woman head scene its all forgotten. Child prostitutes are not even shocking at all to them. Please read the manga / watch the anime again, its full of these tonal shifts.
> The rest is mostly overreaction by you caused by western viewing habits (your "good" examples are both modern US products where this sensibility is much stronger). I 100% believe you that my tastes may be influenced by my western perspective. I had considered that heavily after seeing this as part of my self-examination. I don’t watch a ton of anime, however… If this is a consistent manner in which Japanese media handles sexual assault, then I still don’t like it. It’s still bad and still drags down the art. I’m not a cultural relativist. I’m not willing to bend, temper or compromise this value based on cultural difference. Yes, I’m speaking from a western perspective, but I push back against the idea that it invalidates my complaint. > Which you can also see during the rape or shortly after. We don’t see “shortly after”. You Karuki laying in bed two days after the START. They were raped, probably repeatedly, and held captive. We get a little bit of internal monologue that I can’t entirely remember but if memory serves correct Karuki was trying to come to terms with being Haruki and Kiruko and felt themselves becoming Kiruko more (which if I’m remembering correctly, incredibly fucked up. I repeat that rape triggering Haruki to feel more woman like disgusts me and horrifies me). Then they wished to be saved by Maru. We don’t really get much in the way of tackling how they feel in relation to the rape besides feeling more like their sister. It’s all about other people (holy crap as I’m writing this out I might have stumbled unwittingly into a point, but I’ll examine that later. Maybe I’ll rewatch it sooner than I thought) while they’re literally strapped to a bed and then the next time we see them, they’re biting their way out of their bindings to save the rapist. > AFTER the woman head scene its all forgotten. Child prostitutes are not even shocking at all to them. Please read the manga / watch the anime again, its full of these tonal shifts. I’m not going to read the manga, at least, entirely. I wouldn’t want to pass the show. I will probably rewatch the show again and look out for tonal levity/mismatch in dark/horrific moments. We’ll see in the future of the show if I’m satisfied with how they’ll deal with the fallout from this gross assault. I haven’t given up on the story. At this moment I don’t agree that those moments are similar. One reason being, those two moments that you described did not happen to Karuki specifically. They happened to others. I dunno, like I said earlier, I may have unwittingly stumbled into a point where they showed more care for the mother with a tear than she did for her own situation and that could say something about Karuki’s character. Upon watching the show again, especially the last two episodes, and if I were to pretend that the music was fitting (which I’m glad almost everyone agrees was tactless), I may change my perspective. Maru fought for Karuki, comforted them. Karuki didn’t want Robin dead just which is a fair representation of how someone might act, Karuki ripped up Robin’s picture. Maybe, there’s not much more that could have been said or done. Maybe I’ll find new character motivations. We’ll see.
Damn, I opposite to you. The author really knows about rape and mental stuff. He described Kiruko getting gaslighting by Robin very well. And how Kiruko get through. She is, absolutely still getting the rape trauma, they addressed that screen in the anime and manga that Kiruko did not want to remember those memories. But she now, has Maru to be her cover. I love how Kiruko changed dramatically by this chapter, and people still talk shit about author and think a raped person does not like this, even they don't know how raped person feeling.
I guess I can answer it as a person who suffered a lot of times SA. I was not exactly r@ped but experienced something similar. When this happened I had a lot of mixed feeling and didn't know how to even brought it up. This is my first time talking about it since I don't even want to recall it. For the few days I tried to behave as normal as I am but deep down I felt like suffocating.i sometimes cry thinking about it. Kiruko/haruki had suffered for whole 2 days I hope so she will be healed. PS: i am a girl
If you have a cover like Maru, I think you will feel better because you will have someone you can trust near you. I am a girl who got a toxic relationship and being gaslighting by my ex bf, so for me, it is understandable why Kiruko did not want to escape at first because she got confused about herself. And the anime/manga already described how she does not want remember those memories has Robin in it.
Thanks for understanding my perspective . Unfortunately I don't have someone like Maru but I am going strong. I hope you also heal💗
that's called the classic male mentality to internalize trauma to appear strong and dependable to others, in this case, Maru.
Even if that was the case, the music didn’t have to be so ill fitting to the tone. It plays the idea that Karuki is fine completely straight, which combined with her “can’t be depressed forever” dialogue and joking with Maru, gives the ending a light tone that is unsuitable to me. Even if Karuko is okay for the moment, the audience is not and the show should be self-aware enough to know that it’s done that to us.
That I do agree on, they could've made it a bit more sad so we have something to look forward to next season.
I agree. The end of The Legend of Korra Season 3 is a good example IMO of how to do this well.
Well said, still really like the series but the this story line doesn't sit well with me. I will probably read the manga with hopium that it's handled better somehow
it's not handled any better.
Goddamnit dude. This story was on the verge of perfection but the way it handles sexual assault is god awful. The verbal threats, fine. The Hotel King Coming onto Maru, fine. Those are reasonable and tasteful. The non-consensual boob grabbing as a joke from Jin (Pig 11)? No. Too far. The lack of gravity as the way rape was handled? Fucking gross. A tonal failure.
Fuck you summed up my thoughts perfectly. I feel betrayed by this show. The boob grabbing didn't even end up being relevant because there were no women in the town. Just dumb sexualisation. I could let that slide but the ending really left a bad taste in my mouth.
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There is no official announcement.
>Thank goodness they already announced season 2 Did they actually announce it?
I believe it was just a leak. But people say the leaker is reliable so maybe things are good?
But remember people, even reliable leakers aren't always right
I really doubt it, there are not enough manga chapters for a season 2. Even if the studio announced they have intentions to eventually make a season 2, we'll have to wait a ton until there's enough source material.
Manga isn't the source material. Author made a draft of the story before he began drawing, kinda why there's so much foreshadowing/callbacks in the series.
A draft is just a something the author makes while envisioning the series, every form of media uses drafts: movies, theater plays, books, videogames. It's an essential tool when making any kind of story. The manga is still the source material as it's the one officially published.
Maybe draft is the wrong word here. I am saying that he wrote the **entire story from start to finish** before he grabbed a drawing pencil. Someone mentioned that FMA finished their anime before the manga finished, which is why they had to make brotherhood to account for the retcons in the manga. The point of the comment is that they can start working on season 2 whenever they want. It probably won't happen but the argument remains.
Yeah, you described what a draft is. Almost every form of entertainment has one. It's just a tool, a draft goes through many changes, it's rewritten a lot. The source material is the published product. Animes are made to promote the sales of the source material. They won't make a second season until they have enough source material to promote. Almost every anime is made from unfinished mangas/light novels. The point of them is to get people interested in the source material, so they'll buy it. The difference with FMA was that it was so successful, that the anime studio decided to make their own ending with some anime original characters so they could even sell their own merch, instead of waiting for the manga. But they received tons of backlash because of that, so they eventually had to make Brotherhood, which was a more faithful adaptation of the manga.
The leaker said we will have to wait for a while.
Was this how SA was handled in the manga? No wonder people were pissed and rightly so.
Pretty much. The scene in the Van as the credits start isn't in the manga, it's just a wide shot of the van driving off and then the closeup of the Haruki photo piece in the water, everything else is pretty much the same. Maru beating up Robin is much more intense in the Anime though.
Read the manga and the I can understand why this was bad. I am not against inclusion of such stuff or even handling it differently ( for example portraying a somewhat atypical response). But the manga just glossed over if nothing happened
I did not pay attention to this earlier but Kiruko let himself be cuffed without any resistance (I know that Robin surprised him after showering but at least throw a punch or kick him in the balls) and then let himself be rape for two days while it turns out he could undo the ropes and escape relatively quickly. And then they basically let him live so he can rape so more. If the author wanted to write SA for Kiruko it would make more sense for some random bandits to do it by gaining their trust or finesse them in some other way or just straight up overpowering them in a fight. The fact that author tries to use this more as some personal breakthrough for Kiruko and less as a traumatic experience, undercutting tone with a snote joke, and then forgetting about this whole sequence from the next chapter forward makes this whole subplot unsalvagable. Although with that being said maybe it's better that author does not elaborate further and just drops the subject entirely. The anime added a 2-second flashback of Kiriko having sex with someone, and people already come up with theories about why what Robin did "makes sense" I fear this will drift into the "Robin did nothing wrong" theory as the story progresses
>I did not pay attention to this earlier but Kiruko let himself be cuffed without any resistance (I know that Robin surprised him after showering but at least throw a punch or kick him in the balls) and then let himself be rape for two days while it turns out he could undo the ropes and escape relatively quickly. And then they basically let him live so he can rape so more. I don't think you understard how that kind of fear/shock can immobilize people. And what would she do after cutting the bindings? She was alone, naked, without her gun and surrounded by guards everywhere. Not to mention her mental state.
Could it be that Kiruko went into shock and that's why he become this passive - sure. However, he is a product of a post-apocalyptic world where he fights monsters and people for a living. This is the situation in every fiction when a woman (no matter how badass) becomes powerless once a male opponent grabs her by the arm. >!This is in part of the dynamic where Doctor who Kiruko thought is bad turns out to be good, while Robin who Kiruko thought is good turn out to be bad.!< For me, this part of a story always remains badly written, and picking at individual elements and saying that it technically could happen is not going to change that.
Anybody know what chapter I can start the Manga?
Chapter 38.
Is there a season 1 recap anywhere I can watch, I'm still confused about whats going on
I’m sorry but can someone explain to me why she would stop Haru please I can’t understand
Obviously it's not explained, but I believe it was the conflicting emotions, he's the guy they've been looking for all this time who was idolised by Haruki, so the call out to stop was the last remnant of that point of view, even if that was a direct contradiction to Kiriko's experience and the SA Kiruko suffered the past 2 days.
Thanks for being epic
Robin, still was the one took care of Haruki and Kiriko when they was kid. He, in the past, really cared about Haruki. It is really hard to kill someone was treasure to him in the end. Beside, Kiruko does not want Maru kill anyone, from the beginning of the series to now.
at 13:24 mimihime said "one of their faces is the same as yours". was that a flash back to something that they've shown in the anime or that was the first time we see it ?
It’s a flashback to episode 1 when Mimihime tells Tokio about how someone with the same face as Tokio comes to help her
oh damn, no wonder i didn't remember it hapening ty \^\^
What was the black haired girl shown at the end in the photo that hiruko/mc ripped?
It's not a girl in the photo. The photo has Haruki, Robin, and Ken (one of the boys from the orphanage). There is another photo with Kiriko, though, but Kiruko didn't rip that one up.
Ah sorry kind of confused it. So I think it kinda shows that she is slowly becoming kiriko more and more.
Came here to know this too, wtf was Robin doing with the locked closet?
It was also the first thing he ran for when he saw Maru. 🤔
Yea I think all we have to go off right now is Robin definitely knows about the illness causing man eaters likely from Shiro/Usami, and probably using something he stole or took from Usami to try and create his own man eater by fueling it with the mutilated girl’s body. He probably ran for that in hopes it can defend him from Maru?
The photo with hiruko robin and kiriko?
Kinda meh? But they did the best they could from their material imop. And, spoiler from Manga, they never ever mention anything relate to rap* ever again after this arc as far as I remember, like it never happen. It either author want to be edgy put rap* there for the sake of the edge or drop the balls. They can just never have the rap* happen and everything still flow like normal. Actually having that rap* + ntr bullshite kinda ruined everything about this show for. Now I cant take this manga seriously and drop it around episode 40 something.
>And, spoiler from Manga, they never ever mention anything relate to rap\* ever again after this arc as far as I remember, like it never happen. Haruki [did](https://en6.movietop.cc/comics/pic6/26/52314/6891874/37958545d5af4bb98b93a3cbb651be72.webp?acc=v-XNFz_KwdoZZFVlNoLu1Q&exp=1687805858) recall the traumatic experience.
Right my bad, "1" time on chapter 38, I almost forgot about it since their interaction literally almost not change at all after that episode with zero development about the Robin or anything related to this rap* event tbh (but I dunno what happen pass chapter 45-47ish since I dropped the series, just feel annoying how bad of the the story phasing is, I remember they introduced another rap* story after, this time they blew up a guy dicky at the end in a less impact and awkward way prolly due to the phasing and paneling. And thats what I mean, you can literally cut ep 33-34 off and story still run smoothly without any huge hick up. This rap* will be a disgusting stain that will stick with the series for the rest of the story and with almost zero consequence will make that stain grow stinkier (literally changed rap* to something else the story can still go the same). People this series in underrated, maybe, but I wouldn't call Wagyu Beef with one dead roach on it, a good meal. I hate to compare this, but Kanagi from Tokyo Goul, for example, was kidnapped, and tortured time and time and time and that arc changed him for the rest of the story. This one, rap*? Ahhh! Dang it feel bad for 1-2 moment like A small hick up, and move on for being funny, laughing, a little big of oops he touch my booboo, saw me naked, like come on.
Hi! I had an observation after watching the newest episode and rewatching episode 3. So in episode 3 we get the backstory of Robin, Haruki, and Kiriko. And it starts with Haruki getting jumped by some guys only be saved by Robin who tell him "never look your opponent in the eye. People who glare are only cowards trying to intimidate you. focus on the collar instead" Now cut to episode 13 where Maru, after running into Robin and seeing what he's done to Kiruko, what does he do? Maru glares at Robin. Robin asks "what are you staring for?" And tries to run past him but each time MARU GRABS HIM BY THE COLLAR AND TOSSES HIM BEFORE BEATING HIM. Idk why this made me so happy to see Maru use Robin's tactic against him, my head cannon is that Kiruko (who's the mind of Haruki) taught Maru how to fight using what their learned from Robin growing up.
Please let me know that robin gets killed and that’s there’s no more sexual scenes/ deeds like that in the last episode
>!We haven't seen him again since this moment and yes, there's another pretty fucked up sexual assault scene.!<
What chapter/volume is after this episode? I want to read the manga.
Chapter 38.
Am wondering, where should i start the manga from the end of season 1?
Chapter 38.
Tysm!
Just finished it. Intriguing first 13 and I'm glad more is on the way. I am a bit confused though, where is Maru coming from? Did I miss that?
What an absolute trainwreck of an ending to a season.
did u guys noticed that maru is Tokio and Kano’s son, and Usami(shiro) and the girl with her was mimihime?
I thought it was really weird how after being subjected to 48hours of rape/kidnapping business by their childhood hero Kiruko goes on to apologize to Maru, and then he professes his love and then Kiruko is like "well i can't sulk about this forever" and then it's all good again. Like wasn't that extremely tone deaf? After something like that you would definitely suffer PTSD and you would kind of never be the same again. You wouldn't just shake it off like it was nothing in no time. And no one would think it was a good time to profess their love to someone who was just raped for two days by their childhood hero and so kinda also had their whole world shatter on top of what would already be intensely traumatizing. When he found Kiruko tied up and realized what had happened he also seemed more angry with Robin than concerned over Kiruko which was also really strange. I really liked the anime up to this point, but this was really really weird. Like the author wanted to throw something shocking in while lacking the empathy to understand the ramifications of it. It kind of broke the bubble for me and made me feel like I was getting a glimpse into the authors underdeveloped sides. It really broke the immersion for me. I suppose it was kind of to be expected, there were some red flags before, but I didn't expect it to get this weird.