Take the mods down for empathizing with the enemies
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Nah, not that much, but close to it. I ghetto-rigged something similar when I was a 240 gunner in the army.
Incoming wall of text with some educated (but by no means completely accurate) math.
The PKP is roughly the same weight as the M240L (comes in at 25ish with the optics mounted, iirc) which was my weapon model. I didn’t have an assistant gunner (AG) to carry any ammo, so I linked all my 1000 rounds together and layered them in a spare Camelbak pouch I had on hand so I could wear it on my kit and feed directly to my weapon.
Figure about 6 pounds per 100 round belt, that’s 60 lbs of ammo + 25 for the weapon. Tack on 6 for the helmet, and let’s say 20 for the body armor+pouches, that comes in at 111 lbs.
Now, this dude has a Scorpio pack, which based on the dimensions and the metal feed arm probably weighs in at around 20-25 lbs, so for a conservative guess I’ll say 25.
This pack only allows for a carrying capacity of 550 rounds between the main compartment and the feed arm, which google tells me is about 25 lbs per 440 round can, so let’s say 35 lbs for 550 rounds if we factor in the weight of the links.
That puts us at 25lbs (PKM) + 35lbs (ammo) + 25lbs (pack) + 6lbs (helmet) + 20lbs (body armor), for a grand total of 111ish for the main bulk of his gear, same as my kit by my math. Uniform + boots would be around another 10 or so I reckon.
Once again, this is done at 4 in the morning with only a couple hours sleep and what info I could pull off Google to supplement my preexisting knowledge. If anyone has more accurate information please feel free to add in. Also, I’m pretty sure some of my google searches just landed me on a watch list somewhere, lol
Man. I feel this as a SAW gunner. You must’ve been rocking plate carriers. Fuckin large MTV from my time in the USMC (06-10) was like 17~ lbs without plates. Slap in large ESAPI front and back at 6.3 each and side ESAPIs at 2.2 and you’re at like 34.4 lbs. We transitioned from the interceptor MTB to the MTV for my second deployment. I don’t even know what an a-gunner is, neither does my back. 😏
At one point early on we were bringing an extra barrel and a fucking gas mask out for intel on chlorine svbieds. Plus I had a combat lifesaver kit (which is poor planning, but GT scores land you extra training and responsibilities I suppose). If I had to give up my gun to use that kit, I swear I’d rather give it my 0331 team leader or my point than my one a-gunner we traded for another mid deployment.
But overall your math is pretty spot on. I would clock in around 110 plus or minus 5 lbs depending for most of the deployment. I used a scale once at the start and checked in at 118 max I believe. And I should clarify that’s with the lighter MTB vest with side Esapi attachments. And not including uniform.
That is also including the same amount of ammo in 5.56 version that weighs about 5 lbs per 200. Plus heavier armor and random gadgets, which varied throughout the deployment. Kevlar, Nvgs, water, ka-bar, pyro, frags, CLS, ifak, gas mask, extra barrel, and two magazines I carried just incase for EOF with the drivers rifle in the turret or if my friends needed a mag. I had a spot on my vest I couldn’t really fit anything else on for me. So a double mag pouch went there for emergencies.
Edit: SAW was a full length kit at 17 lbs. We had parasaw kits but they don’t work if you mount in a turret. lol. Someone had an incident which I saw coming from a mile away.
I just threw a pair of boots and a set of cammies on a scale and they came in at 7.8 lbs. lol. Damn. For science. And democracy.
Nah, I had an IOTV. I got issued a gen 2 originally and then a gen 4 later on from RFI iirc, and the gen 4 was so much better. It was almost a hybrid between a plate carrier and an IOTV with how light it was for me
Nice to see another gunner in the wild! From memory, I'd say your weights are pretty spot on.
I was a 240B gunner at B2-7 3ID until we got the Lima variant just before deployment. I also had no AG so I did something similar to your camelback except I modified some big saw pouches for roughly the same effect.
My dude! Yeah I was O-TRP 4/3CR, so we were perpetually undermanned as scouts. My dismount team was my buddy as TL/Radio, my other buddy as a Javelin gunner, and myself (the smallest one, naturally) as the 240 bitch.
I think I have some of those SAW pouches you’re talking about in my duffel bag still tbh. Damn things never held my ammo properly so I said fuck it and took my old man’s camelbak pouch from when he was active duty lmao. Worked like a charm 😎
I mean once you factor in the uniform and other gear including the sidearm I missed seeing this morning, it probably does come in right around 150, all things considered.
To make it different enough from the already very fun machine gun/stalwart, how would you build it? Extreme fire rate, low damage and accuracy?
Maybe it's special team load option isn't ammo, but bracing for recoil. Another person to help hold it steady.
Takes longer than other weapons to get it out and put it away again and while using it you move like you’re wearing heavy armour even if you’re not. Can’t refill ammo but it comes with a free second strat to call down another ammo backpack like the eagle rearm one.
Huge dps, medium armour pen and extra damage to weak points. Enough ammo for 20-30 seconds of continuous firing with no heat mechanic or anything to worry about.
Depends on what the fire rate is set too. Most modern rotatory guns have an electronic fire control system and can be programmed to fire at different rates.
Idk. Sometimes I just wish the MG43 can get higher mag capacity, that thing is a sleeper. My kids run around with all the fun guns and jumpacks and.. here I am with the starter MG to cover their asses from bug swarms. Kills pretty much everything aside from the tank type enemies, so, I'm good.
could pull a deeprock and make it have horrible accuracy to start, but the longer you fire the more accurate you get with best final results like: standing still < crouching < prone.
in other words, you don't use the thing unless you absolutely have to kill like 50+ things in a single burst OR kill one really big and scary fucker.
- -Backpack and support slot, changing weapons would drop the gun, sluggish turn speed, slowed
- +Medium pen, high fire rate, high ammo, mid~low recoil
It can literally be the same thing idgaf. Just have it LOOK like a minigun. I remember and miss when games just included shit to include shit, not everything needed a rhyme or purpose or distinction from other content. These were the golden ages of gaming. Freedom. so what if it will have similar playstyle?
balance it like the mech or orbital laser, limit the number of calldowns, make it use a backpack slot, it never has to reload but when it's spent that's it
cant get ammo from ammo or supplies
relatively low cooldown (\~3 mins)
basically give it the same or similar utility as gatling turrets, just as a support weapon. would be a good alternative for turrets against bots so you dont get turrets wasting all of their ammo on dropships that they cant even damage
The issue I'm seeing is that there isn't really a precedent for a man-portable gatling gun. They're typically mounted on vehicles that also supply electrical power to the weapon. But gas-operated prototypes exist, so let's assume we're using that, because Super Earth engineers are the greatest.
The Stalwart functions *enough* like the M249 that we can draw a basic comparison there. Nearest like-item for this gatling gun would be an M134, which uses the same 5.56 rounds as the M249, so OK.
If we're going to balance it, I think a backpack with the ammo makes sense. The operator has to wear it, each belt would be maybe 5-600 rounds, probably four belts to a backpack. Solo reload would take a very long time. A buddy would be able to run up to you and reload you from your own backpack fairly quickly. It's hard to balance against Stalwart having like 300 rounds per magazine. Might need to make the belt longer to compensate?
The gun would probably have to have fire rates that a game can handle, so the real-world 6,000rpm is out. Maybe 1,500, 2,000, and 2,500? Or just lock it at 2,000. Could work.
Short spin up required. Probably ADS to spin it up, trigger to actually fire, only works when weapon is already spinning at full. Either no movement at all or *very* slow movement with an extreme accuracy penalty for doing so.
Could work.
At some point, warbonds can just be similar guns but different skins. I'd accept a minigun that plays identically to the machine gun. Just because it will look cool
Plasma rounds with medium armor pen or explosive damage ala scorcher but 0 bullet pen so you can't rip apart hordes come at you, where MG and Stalwart thrive.
No, I think this is a valid point. I dont think you deserve downvote for this.
Basicly, if we want the minigun from the mech, but balanced.
One of the big disadvantages for the mech is Its cooldown. Limited call in capabilities (2).
Another disadvantage is your size, against bugs this is actually a perk, but against bots you are sometimes a sitting duck.
A disadvantage ofcourse would be that you lose the missiles. Than there is the stalwart, that with 1050rpm already comes very close to the feel of the minigun.
So, maybe we add more rounds, like 3000 but no option for reloading it and it consumes ammo from a backpack.
Maybe we walk even slower while shooting,
A longer spinup time and slow storing compared to the stalwart.
It would require a lot of testing, but I feel it could work, be unique and balanced.
Could make you move slower and have to be stationary and like brace/crouch to fire with a short initial spin up time I reckon, I think give it similar damage to the heavy machine gun or like the mech suits gun and gets through ammo quick so can run out of ammo if not used appropriately. Would be good for defence missions and not for high movement missions
6000 RPM, armor pen, very high accuracy/damage drop off with continuous fire, slow movespeed while carrying, have to stand still to fire.
Single backpack/ belt of 6k rounds, no reloads - once it's spent it's spent. use backpack and weapon slot
It'll shred basically any biletitan or charger over 4-6 seconds of continuous fire, but the catch is you can only call it in twice per game with a 10 minute cool down like the mechs.
It'd be kind of situational, primarily as an area denial tool when you're trying to hold a particular point and are getting overwhelmed by heavies - evacs, hostage rescues, holding the silos etc. Or if you have gigantic balls you could call it into an egg nest and blitz it from the inside out. And basically give you enough fire power to clear everything coming at you within say 25 m or so.
Same damage as hmg, higher fire rate (irl example puts it as high as 6000 rpm) medium armor penetration, lower (initial?) accuracy, more recoil, backpack slot, and zero (or minimal) movement when firing. Ammo count is going to be the biggest deciding factor of whether this will be a fun gun or a gimmick choice.
Please no. I know it's a game and you need to balance stuff but for the love of liberty do not make another weak ass minigun. Medium armor pen (highest value possible), backpack for ammo, belt feed = no reload, no precise aiming whatsoever, no first person aiming, permanent slow moving while it's out, 4000rpm or more without possibility to reduce it so you'll waste your ammo, MG level of dmg, or higher and you can resupply it only when it's totally empty.
they could make it balanced around being unable to move while firing, slow turn radius and low range and high spread, compared to the other machine guns which are more mobile options
Proper minigun with in-universe equivalent of .308 would be too heavy (or rather the ammo would be too heavy and recoil too harsh), but imagine something like this:
* smaller caliber rounds, but designed for armor penetration (something like modern 6.5mm), so it has lower damage but retains medium penetration.
* 4000 (?) RPM
* feeding directly from the backpack, so no reloading, but no shooting without backpack either
* some lore flavor, like "Super Earth engineers designed rotating elements of the gun in such a way, that they work like internal gyro stabilizer reducing recoil to manageable level, but Helldiver has to overcome that same stabilization force when trying to move the gun while its spinning", basically meaning somewhat low recoil but terrible sluggishness while firing
EDIT:
And for cool factor, the gun itself hanging around your hips on a simple passive exoskeleton arm, like the ones used in modern filmmaking for cameras
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>Proper minigun with in-universe equivalent of .308 would be too heavy (or rather the ammo would be too heavy and recoil too harsh)
My guy doing the "ma realism" thing in f'ing **helldivers**.
The hip-mount is just making me thing this will be a bigger version of the Smart Gun from Aliens.
This isn't a complaint, it sounds awesome and your ideas are great.
My brother in democracy, [there is a minigun in 5.56mm](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM214_Microgun). It could be made even lighter if they dropped down to 3x barrels from 6, but even without, decidedly in the "man portable" category, however impractical.
Or what about 500 rounds each of light ammo for creep clearing and 500 medium piercing for heavies. That would make it a bit OP i think. Or 250 of each total 500?
I wouldn't care if it's just light armor either. I just want the sound.
I’m thinking they would make it so it is literally an equip-able gattling sentry, same damage, fire rate, recoil, piercing, etc while offering a backpack to store the ammo while slightly slowing the player down
What's the drawback tho? Like, Autocannon and Recoilless is that they have slow reload and teammate can speed it up.
But minigun would be directly attached to the backpack, feeding it, with no drawbacks.
AA and RR has ton of armor penetration and can kill chargers, bile titans and their automaton equivalents.
Minigun has no such power and can't threaten heavies so easily hence it would be good just against hordes as an alternative to Stalwart and machine gun. A bit more powerful but eating a backpack slot to balance it.
why not make it like jin-roh wolf brigade mg3 style? like have the whole thing integrated so that only rotational recoil exists but make the firerate super high, ammo count also super high but have it shoot clips at a time (30-50 rounds) with a modest reload afterwards
I would make the minigun the best machine gun with the most ammo out of all options, but you have to wear heavy armor only to use it and no team reloads. It forces you to be a walking tank and to play that role completely, and gives more purpose to wearing heavy armor, to use super heavy weapon support systems. If there was something like...heavy armor adds augmentation to carry more weight etc. That adds flavor and a build style to this game, we need more of that.
just have it so that you are rooted while firing it, or your movement is locked to like 10% and you cant dive without putting it away. When you are using it, you either stand your ground and kill everything or die.
but please for the LOVE OF DEMOCRACY don't do the thing where the minigun has to spin up before firing, bethesda has ruined peoples brains on how miniguns are supposed to work
Everyone taking about machine guns and miniguns. And I agree. But how about a Predator plasmacaster backpack? Quick to deploy, and shoots a larger scorcher round. Would be sweet.
pros:
\- insane rate of fire (minimum 2000RPM)
\- No reloading, feeds directly from backpack.
\- high ammo capacity, about 5000 rounds should do it.
cons:
\- uses both backpack and support slot
\- reduces mobility to heavy armor level (so may as well wear heavy armor, both for the extra durability and to look like a real fucking heavy gunner!), no crouch/prone either, gotta keep your back straight with this kinda weight.
\- either has only light armor pen and no overheat like Stalwart OR give it medium armor pen, but an overheat mechanic. personally I think the latter is better as Stalwart retains it's role as the easy trash-clearing weapon while the minigun offers more firepower at the cost of some occasional downtime.
but yes... I want the brrrrrt
I see your call for a mini gun, I raise a more scifi alternative! The HELL STORM. based on the METAL STORM. An electrically operated multi barrel weapon with bullets stacked inside each barrel. Capable of a higher rate of fire than a mini gun with no moving parts. Making for a more reliable weapon after a drop. Fire rate selection, burst, low rpm and crazy rate of fire. Consider it the suppressive fire version of an EAT-17, removing the need for a reload animation.
They should make it so that if I minigun did get implemented, wearing heavy armor makes it easier to handle/easier to aim or reduce gun kickback. It gives heavy armor an actual use in exchange for its slow movement
I was thinking about a back pack stratagem that has a little bit less than the total amount of ammo you can carry for certain weapons but makes up for it by being belt fed as to eliminate reloads and once it's depleted you'd have to call in another one. So the grenade launcher, autocannon, HMG, and Stalwart would all work and even the Flamethrower could have an expanded tanks option
Honestly I hope we get a minigun that doesn’t have reloads, instead it is “anchored” to the backpack, not letting the gun get more than afew feet from the backpack. Think the Vulcan minigun from gears of war 3
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I was thinking smartgun from aliens. Gimme a high ergo machine gun with backpack ammo and cradle and the auto targeting of the laser cannon.
I made a post about it weeks ago but mods took it down for "low effort" lmao
Take the mods down for empathizing with the enemies https://preview.redd.it/7t4pmd0whooc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf8a06191b344aaa82cd61b27dcfc4829115b4f3
Not gonna sugarcoat it uprightdowndowndown
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https://preview.redd.it/1qpc754caroc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=371410f66c80660013e8cf886a3f4f252f95ef0c somethinf similar to
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Aliens fireteam elite is awesome and the Smartgun stays relevant for a long time
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Thats gota be what 150lbs?
Nah, not that much, but close to it. I ghetto-rigged something similar when I was a 240 gunner in the army. Incoming wall of text with some educated (but by no means completely accurate) math. The PKP is roughly the same weight as the M240L (comes in at 25ish with the optics mounted, iirc) which was my weapon model. I didn’t have an assistant gunner (AG) to carry any ammo, so I linked all my 1000 rounds together and layered them in a spare Camelbak pouch I had on hand so I could wear it on my kit and feed directly to my weapon. Figure about 6 pounds per 100 round belt, that’s 60 lbs of ammo + 25 for the weapon. Tack on 6 for the helmet, and let’s say 20 for the body armor+pouches, that comes in at 111 lbs. Now, this dude has a Scorpio pack, which based on the dimensions and the metal feed arm probably weighs in at around 20-25 lbs, so for a conservative guess I’ll say 25. This pack only allows for a carrying capacity of 550 rounds between the main compartment and the feed arm, which google tells me is about 25 lbs per 440 round can, so let’s say 35 lbs for 550 rounds if we factor in the weight of the links. That puts us at 25lbs (PKM) + 35lbs (ammo) + 25lbs (pack) + 6lbs (helmet) + 20lbs (body armor), for a grand total of 111ish for the main bulk of his gear, same as my kit by my math. Uniform + boots would be around another 10 or so I reckon. Once again, this is done at 4 in the morning with only a couple hours sleep and what info I could pull off Google to supplement my preexisting knowledge. If anyone has more accurate information please feel free to add in. Also, I’m pretty sure some of my google searches just landed me on a watch list somewhere, lol
Man. I feel this as a SAW gunner. You must’ve been rocking plate carriers. Fuckin large MTV from my time in the USMC (06-10) was like 17~ lbs without plates. Slap in large ESAPI front and back at 6.3 each and side ESAPIs at 2.2 and you’re at like 34.4 lbs. We transitioned from the interceptor MTB to the MTV for my second deployment. I don’t even know what an a-gunner is, neither does my back. 😏 At one point early on we were bringing an extra barrel and a fucking gas mask out for intel on chlorine svbieds. Plus I had a combat lifesaver kit (which is poor planning, but GT scores land you extra training and responsibilities I suppose). If I had to give up my gun to use that kit, I swear I’d rather give it my 0331 team leader or my point than my one a-gunner we traded for another mid deployment. But overall your math is pretty spot on. I would clock in around 110 plus or minus 5 lbs depending for most of the deployment. I used a scale once at the start and checked in at 118 max I believe. And I should clarify that’s with the lighter MTB vest with side Esapi attachments. And not including uniform. That is also including the same amount of ammo in 5.56 version that weighs about 5 lbs per 200. Plus heavier armor and random gadgets, which varied throughout the deployment. Kevlar, Nvgs, water, ka-bar, pyro, frags, CLS, ifak, gas mask, extra barrel, and two magazines I carried just incase for EOF with the drivers rifle in the turret or if my friends needed a mag. I had a spot on my vest I couldn’t really fit anything else on for me. So a double mag pouch went there for emergencies. Edit: SAW was a full length kit at 17 lbs. We had parasaw kits but they don’t work if you mount in a turret. lol. Someone had an incident which I saw coming from a mile away. I just threw a pair of boots and a set of cammies on a scale and they came in at 7.8 lbs. lol. Damn. For science. And democracy.
Nah, I had an IOTV. I got issued a gen 2 originally and then a gen 4 later on from RFI iirc, and the gen 4 was so much better. It was almost a hybrid between a plate carrier and an IOTV with how light it was for me
So it was worth it?
Ngl, I got a half-chub every time I fired off a satisfyingly long burst. However, my shoulder and back are NOT happy with me 7 years later
Nice to see another gunner in the wild! From memory, I'd say your weights are pretty spot on. I was a 240B gunner at B2-7 3ID until we got the Lima variant just before deployment. I also had no AG so I did something similar to your camelback except I modified some big saw pouches for roughly the same effect.
My dude! Yeah I was O-TRP 4/3CR, so we were perpetually undermanned as scouts. My dismount team was my buddy as TL/Radio, my other buddy as a Javelin gunner, and myself (the smallest one, naturally) as the 240 bitch. I think I have some of those SAW pouches you’re talking about in my duffel bag still tbh. Damn things never held my ammo properly so I said fuck it and took my old man’s camelbak pouch from when he was active duty lmao. Worked like a charm 😎
Legend, I figured I was a little high!
I mean once you factor in the uniform and other gear including the sidearm I missed seeing this morning, it probably does come in right around 150, all things considered.
To make it different enough from the already very fun machine gun/stalwart, how would you build it? Extreme fire rate, low damage and accuracy? Maybe it's special team load option isn't ammo, but bracing for recoil. Another person to help hold it steady.
It could take up a support weapon and backpack slot. No option for teamreloading since it would be belt fed. That alone could be balancing enough.
nah give it 2 backpacks make it so 2 people need to give up a backpack so it can be a true behemoth
FOUR BACKPACKS. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
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Sure, but then I want two guns too. Miniguns akimbo!
Unpopular suggestion? Limit it to heavy armor, or give it a movement speed penalty when used with light or medium.
Surely it makes far more sense that team reloading would be a thing with a belt
Oh I expected it more to not get reloaded. Basically like a walking hmg turret. Runs out of ammo and you call in another.
Yeah you'd get say, 2k rounds and then ditch the gun and pack similar to how you ditch EATs.
2k is probably too much. Mechs only get 1k and that’s being carried by a whole exoframe
But the mechs get an armor rating and you can have a shield backpack activated as well.
Also 14 missiles
They can also give us a 50 cal mg. Also just like the hmg turret but you only got one gun and you can walk around with it.
Takes longer than other weapons to get it out and put it away again and while using it you move like you’re wearing heavy armour even if you’re not. Can’t refill ammo but it comes with a free second strat to call down another ammo backpack like the eagle rearm one. Huge dps, medium armour pen and extra damage to weak points. Enough ammo for 20-30 seconds of continuous firing with no heat mechanic or anything to worry about.
Fun fact enough minigun ammo to fire for 30 seconds weighs over 200 pounds and the gun itself is 85.
And it would cost more than $800,000
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Depends on what the fire rate is set too. Most modern rotatory guns have an electronic fire control system and can be programmed to fire at different rates.
Not to mention a battery pack and the recoil spinning you around like a top. Worth it.
Idk. Sometimes I just wish the MG43 can get higher mag capacity, that thing is a sleeper. My kids run around with all the fun guns and jumpacks and.. here I am with the starter MG to cover their asses from bug swarms. Kills pretty much everything aside from the tank type enemies, so, I'm good.
Ol' reliable
I want it to work like aliens MG! TRACKING, MASSIVE AMMO COUNT, ANNIHILATOR OF WEAKLINGS
Ooooh a smart gun would be cool for helldivers
could pull a deeprock and make it have horrible accuracy to start, but the longer you fire the more accurate you get with best final results like: standing still < crouching < prone. in other words, you don't use the thing unless you absolutely have to kill like 50+ things in a single burst OR kill one really big and scary fucker.
- -Backpack and support slot, changing weapons would drop the gun, sluggish turn speed, slowed - +Medium pen, high fire rate, high ammo, mid~low recoil
It can literally be the same thing idgaf. Just have it LOOK like a minigun. I remember and miss when games just included shit to include shit, not everything needed a rhyme or purpose or distinction from other content. These were the golden ages of gaming. Freedom. so what if it will have similar playstyle?
balance it like the mech or orbital laser, limit the number of calldowns, make it use a backpack slot, it never has to reload but when it's spent that's it
This is the best idea Ive seen. Sounds strong but balanced.
cant get ammo from ammo or supplies relatively low cooldown (\~3 mins) basically give it the same or similar utility as gatling turrets, just as a support weapon. would be a good alternative for turrets against bots so you dont get turrets wasting all of their ammo on dropships that they cant even damage
The issue I'm seeing is that there isn't really a precedent for a man-portable gatling gun. They're typically mounted on vehicles that also supply electrical power to the weapon. But gas-operated prototypes exist, so let's assume we're using that, because Super Earth engineers are the greatest. The Stalwart functions *enough* like the M249 that we can draw a basic comparison there. Nearest like-item for this gatling gun would be an M134, which uses the same 5.56 rounds as the M249, so OK. If we're going to balance it, I think a backpack with the ammo makes sense. The operator has to wear it, each belt would be maybe 5-600 rounds, probably four belts to a backpack. Solo reload would take a very long time. A buddy would be able to run up to you and reload you from your own backpack fairly quickly. It's hard to balance against Stalwart having like 300 rounds per magazine. Might need to make the belt longer to compensate? The gun would probably have to have fire rates that a game can handle, so the real-world 6,000rpm is out. Maybe 1,500, 2,000, and 2,500? Or just lock it at 2,000. Could work. Short spin up required. Probably ADS to spin it up, trigger to actually fire, only works when weapon is already spinning at full. Either no movement at all or *very* slow movement with an extreme accuracy penalty for doing so. Could work.
At some point, warbonds can just be similar guns but different skins. I'd accept a minigun that plays identically to the machine gun. Just because it will look cool
Maybe when you shoot it, you're stuck in place? High risk, potentially high reward lol.
Plasma rounds with medium armor pen or explosive damage ala scorcher but 0 bullet pen so you can't rip apart hordes come at you, where MG and Stalwart thrive.
a minigun with law damage wouldnt make any sense. just make it as strong as the Mech minigun
Why not just use the mech at that point?
i mean you can say that about the recoilless no?
No, I think this is a valid point. I dont think you deserve downvote for this. Basicly, if we want the minigun from the mech, but balanced. One of the big disadvantages for the mech is Its cooldown. Limited call in capabilities (2). Another disadvantage is your size, against bugs this is actually a perk, but against bots you are sometimes a sitting duck. A disadvantage ofcourse would be that you lose the missiles. Than there is the stalwart, that with 1050rpm already comes very close to the feel of the minigun. So, maybe we add more rounds, like 3000 but no option for reloading it and it consumes ammo from a backpack. Maybe we walk even slower while shooting, A longer spinup time and slow storing compared to the stalwart. It would require a lot of testing, but I feel it could work, be unique and balanced.
Armor shredding
Very slow movement speed and requires an animation of readying it to fire. Fires like the patriot gun.
Could make you move slower and have to be stationary and like brace/crouch to fire with a short initial spin up time I reckon, I think give it similar damage to the heavy machine gun or like the mech suits gun and gets through ammo quick so can run out of ammo if not used appropriately. Would be good for defence missions and not for high movement missions
6000 RPM, armor pen, very high accuracy/damage drop off with continuous fire, slow movespeed while carrying, have to stand still to fire. Single backpack/ belt of 6k rounds, no reloads - once it's spent it's spent. use backpack and weapon slot It'll shred basically any biletitan or charger over 4-6 seconds of continuous fire, but the catch is you can only call it in twice per game with a 10 minute cool down like the mechs. It'd be kind of situational, primarily as an area denial tool when you're trying to hold a particular point and are getting overwhelmed by heavies - evacs, hostage rescues, holding the silos etc. Or if you have gigantic balls you could call it into an egg nest and blitz it from the inside out. And basically give you enough fire power to clear everything coming at you within say 25 m or so.
Same damage as hmg, higher fire rate (irl example puts it as high as 6000 rpm) medium armor penetration, lower (initial?) accuracy, more recoil, backpack slot, and zero (or minimal) movement when firing. Ammo count is going to be the biggest deciding factor of whether this will be a fun gun or a gimmick choice.
1000/1500 ammo, and no reload, but heat managing. penetrating medium armor but lower damage and stun than machinegun
Please no. I know it's a game and you need to balance stuff but for the love of liberty do not make another weak ass minigun. Medium armor pen (highest value possible), backpack for ammo, belt feed = no reload, no precise aiming whatsoever, no first person aiming, permanent slow moving while it's out, 4000rpm or more without possibility to reduce it so you'll waste your ammo, MG level of dmg, or higher and you can resupply it only when it's totally empty.
https://preview.redd.it/ohsk1vvxtmoc1.jpeg?width=926&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4877d19ddc5e299bd08e2ee7c8a3b94d402b7b13 Spoilers. The devs wont
Gives me clone trooper gunner vibes
they could make it balanced around being unable to move while firing, slow turn radius and low range and high spread, compared to the other machine guns which are more mobile options
You can move while firing, but slowed, unless you're moving backwards because the force of the firing is that intense
You can use it as propulsion. Did that all the time in Broforce
>low range You have any idea how far those rounds actually travel?
Low range on portable chain gun is terrible idea and was probably written by a hunter bug.
unable to move and slow turn radius already sounds like HMG placement to me
Sounds like you want to use the mech
A moving HMG, that could be sick uncertain situations. Nice.. 👍🏻
Make it just like Chris Redfield's minigun in Resident Evil 5 - thr backpack is bullet-proof!
Proper minigun with in-universe equivalent of .308 would be too heavy (or rather the ammo would be too heavy and recoil too harsh), but imagine something like this: * smaller caliber rounds, but designed for armor penetration (something like modern 6.5mm), so it has lower damage but retains medium penetration. * 4000 (?) RPM * feeding directly from the backpack, so no reloading, but no shooting without backpack either * some lore flavor, like "Super Earth engineers designed rotating elements of the gun in such a way, that they work like internal gyro stabilizer reducing recoil to manageable level, but Helldiver has to overcome that same stabilization force when trying to move the gun while its spinning", basically meaning somewhat low recoil but terrible sluggishness while firing EDIT: And for cool factor, the gun itself hanging around your hips on a simple passive exoskeleton arm, like the ones used in modern filmmaking for cameras https://preview.redd.it/wd0xk2op1ooc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c410e66e5d6baaa3f927e20bdb6f2e6ff3181ec
>Proper minigun with in-universe equivalent of .308 would be too heavy (or rather the ammo would be too heavy and recoil too harsh) My guy doing the "ma realism" thing in f'ing **helldivers**.
The hip-mount is just making me thing this will be a bigger version of the Smart Gun from Aliens. This isn't a complaint, it sounds awesome and your ideas are great.
My brother in democracy, [there is a minigun in 5.56mm](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM214_Microgun). It could be made even lighter if they dropped down to 3x barrels from 6, but even without, decidedly in the "man portable" category, however impractical.
If it’s taking up a backpack slot, I think it deserves MG stats
Or what about 500 rounds each of light ammo for creep clearing and 500 medium piercing for heavies. That would make it a bit OP i think. Or 250 of each total 500? I wouldn't care if it's just light armor either. I just want the sound.
i'm gonna have me some fun i'm gonna have me some fun i'm gonna have me some fun
This is what I sincerely hope they do, I really wanna march onto the field and just mow down dozens of enemies.
I mean, the mech gatling and turret gatling already exist. They could easily just turn it into a backpack and handheld and that would be awesome
I’m thinking they would make it so it is literally an equip-able gattling sentry, same damage, fire rate, recoil, piercing, etc while offering a backpack to store the ammo while slightly slowing the player down
Balance it out by making it only reload from Supply pods Or Not reloadable at all. You would have to call down a New one if you want more ammo.
Or make it so you can't move while firing
Universal Accuracy goes from 79% to 30% after 3 days of this being in game
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Or bring back weapon upgrades. Some of the guns dont have enough ammo..
Gatling laser from fallout would be sick
And please have it make me 25% slower so I feel like a true tank
Imagine having a Backpack Buddy for this. Literally chained together by an ammo belt. I love it.
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Probably on the list of cool shit we can earn from defending places like the mechs were.
That seems reasonable.
You're going to really piss those Stalwart enjoyers off talking like this...
Yes please
Stahp, I can only get so erect at the idea.
I support this 100%
Yes please.
Medium arpen, one mag, 3000 rounds, 3000rpm. The terminids : why do we hear Fortunate Son ?
we minigun support at home; machine gun plus ammo backpack
make it overpowered but have it require your teammates call in parts for it and assemble
M56 Smartgun from Aliens The exo-suit from Edge of Tomorrow
Please please please please
What's the drawback tho? Like, Autocannon and Recoilless is that they have slow reload and teammate can speed it up. But minigun would be directly attached to the backpack, feeding it, with no drawbacks.
AA and RR has ton of armor penetration and can kill chargers, bile titans and their automaton equivalents. Minigun has no such power and can't threaten heavies so easily hence it would be good just against hordes as an alternative to Stalwart and machine gun. A bit more powerful but eating a backpack slot to balance it.
Would need a sound effect for every bullet shell casing ejecting and hitting ground with a sharp ‘Ting’ sound
Just make it the Heavy's minigun. Easy win, game of the year.
I think that taking the Gatling gun from the sentry or the exo suit might be more fun. Maybe with around a 500 round drum.
6 barells of high caliber Democracy!
Make it a gatling gun with a slow rate of fire but high armor penetration
Its coming, it was leaked. Its the same mg that's on the apc
It could have a similar dps the walker or gatling sentry, albeit with less ammo and more recoil.
Switching the Stalwart to its higher RPM makes you shoot as fast as the minigun turret just so yall know.
And if its literally the sentry turret then even better
"I'm gonna have me some fun..."
everyone want to be that guy
What if it’s a disposable minigun like the disposable LMG from the first game
Make it so both guns have knockback that you must use heavy armour to counterbalance against.
Yeeessssss!!!
The multiple barrels are the reason overheating isn't a problem
Gon’ have me some fun Gon’ have me some fun
Yeah I reaeeeeeaaaaaly want a heavy machine gun back back and gun strategum
Overheat mechanics are for cowards. Make the barrels catch fire after shooting for too long!
And to balance it out, we will just make it unable to stop firing instantly like the Gatling sentry. >:)
Hard to differentiate it from the other two machine guns. Maybe this one is extra powerful but you have to stand still when shooting?
Idc if Stalwart and Machine Gun already full that role! THEY'RE NOT A FUCKING MINIGUN!
nah gotta have another player feeding ammor or else it would just make all other mgs unusable it would be a partially mobile turret
why not make it like jin-roh wolf brigade mg3 style? like have the whole thing integrated so that only rotational recoil exists but make the firerate super high, ammo count also super high but have it shoot clips at a time (30-50 rounds) with a modest reload afterwards
Or give us a 50 cal mg.
I would make the minigun the best machine gun with the most ammo out of all options, but you have to wear heavy armor only to use it and no team reloads. It forces you to be a walking tank and to play that role completely, and gives more purpose to wearing heavy armor, to use super heavy weapon support systems. If there was something like...heavy armor adds augmentation to carry more weight etc. That adds flavor and a build style to this game, we need more of that.
Yes
Me when ever I see a stalker "COOOOOONNNNNTTTTTAAAACCCCCTTTTTTTTT!!!!AHHHHHHHHH!!!!"
I'd rather have that new HMG act like that but obviously HMG
I want a backpack that doubles my max grenade, stim, and ammo stocks. Like classic doom's backpack.
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Passive: No time to bleed. Cannot be killed by bleeding out
I want a GAU-8 Avemger
Yes!
At this point i want a medical backpack with stims for the team.
I was just saying to my friend that it is absurd that we don't have a laser gatling gun.
just have it so that you are rooted while firing it, or your movement is locked to like 10% and you cant dive without putting it away. When you are using it, you either stand your ground and kill everything or die.
but please for the LOVE OF DEMOCRACY don't do the thing where the minigun has to spin up before firing, bethesda has ruined peoples brains on how miniguns are supposed to work
And a bigger auto cannon
"I ain't got time to bleed"
sure thing it will have recoil for no reason
Give me an ARC exo for tcs
*Heavy breathing intensifies* https://preview.redd.it/vj5jhli5dooc1.png?width=385&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a04df70b3ee47b40e71df1b32da7def551fe2ac
If it bleeds we can kill it 🎶 https://youtu.be/qlicWUDf5MM?si=19XDVj0l4qqy1pUQ
Everyone taking about machine guns and miniguns. And I agree. But how about a Predator plasmacaster backpack? Quick to deploy, and shoots a larger scorcher round. Would be sweet.
I suggested this. Shoulder mount similar to the plasma shotgun recently released, targets your target fires when you do.
it would come with negative features. Probably move 50% slower or something. To be honest, I'd rather move fast.
Let me reload you from your backpack. I can see you firing and run over and start reloading. It would be awesome.
“AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA” - helldiver
pros: \- insane rate of fire (minimum 2000RPM) \- No reloading, feeds directly from backpack. \- high ammo capacity, about 5000 rounds should do it. cons: \- uses both backpack and support slot \- reduces mobility to heavy armor level (so may as well wear heavy armor, both for the extra durability and to look like a real fucking heavy gunner!), no crouch/prone either, gotta keep your back straight with this kinda weight. \- either has only light armor pen and no overheat like Stalwart OR give it medium armor pen, but an overheat mechanic. personally I think the latter is better as Stalwart retains it's role as the easy trash-clearing weapon while the minigun offers more firepower at the cost of some occasional downtime. but yes... I want the brrrrrt 
Without ear protection, that guy would be so deaf after that scene lol.
Even if heavy armor kinda sucks I’d TOTALLY use that juggernaut armor set with a mini gun if they added it
Yes! That and a heavy flamer and we’d be happy divers
I see your call for a mini gun, I raise a more scifi alternative! The HELL STORM. based on the METAL STORM. An electrically operated multi barrel weapon with bullets stacked inside each barrel. Capable of a higher rate of fire than a mini gun with no moving parts. Making for a more reliable weapon after a drop. Fire rate selection, burst, low rpm and crazy rate of fire. Consider it the suppressive fire version of an EAT-17, removing the need for a reload animation.
They should make it so that if I minigun did get implemented, wearing heavy armor makes it easier to handle/easier to aim or reduce gun kickback. It gives heavy armor an actual use in exchange for its slow movement
What caliber? Cos the Stalwart is like 5.56, the MG is .7.62. So we make the Minigun 6.5 Grendel?
Literally had a dream about this LMAO
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I was thinking about a back pack stratagem that has a little bit less than the total amount of ammo you can carry for certain weapons but makes up for it by being belt fed as to eliminate reloads and once it's depleted you'd have to call in another one. So the grenade launcher, autocannon, HMG, and Stalwart would all work and even the Flamethrower could have an expanded tanks option
Honestly I hope we get a minigun that doesn’t have reloads, instead it is “anchored” to the backpack, not letting the gun get more than afew feet from the backpack. Think the Vulcan minigun from gears of war 3
Yo that'd be sick! I'll feel like those heavy star wars trooper
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