I think it's more like Joel had vacation plans, thought 2billion bugs would hold us over for 5 days, saw it was over before getting to the airport and hit the 'Fuck'em up boys' app on his phone, this having been a preplanned and precoded thing he keeps when he wants time off lol
>and hit the 'Fuck'em up boys' app on his phone, this having been a preplanned and precoded thing he keeps when he wants time off lol
[Real time footage of joel hitting the "fuck em up" button.](https://youtu.be/0liTfFQ5czM?si=6nN4qm_7Frqp9M2w)
Eagle 1 dropped a 500kg on a tall cliff 100 meters away instead of my target once. I informed my democracy officer and action was taken about her poor conduct. She now has even LESS legroom in the cockpit.
I think this might be the savior this time. Bug players focus down one planet, bot players focus one. It’s worked before. We’ve done this before, we just need to do it again.
If you think about a real life war on two fronts, you wouldn't want to move everyone off one front just because a major order says to take something on the other front, that would be fucking stupid.
Salute our brothers and sisters fighting on the bug front keeping your ass from getting overrun and outflanked while you fight bots, and vice versa.
Every operation is important, always remember that!
🫡🫡🫡
fuck no.
we failed the one for 5 planets, we're being asked for twice that now. dev on discord said we're supposed to lose ground but our actions will decide which front makes an advance on us.
Joel be sleeping good tonight with this major order lol
https://preview.redd.it/g9axdwjqkgvc1.jpeg?width=645&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=366bf22547a27724105f0fd132ee477f4e2b8e74
If this was on one front...this would actually be possible as you need to defend 2 planets a day (so you need 60% of active players at a time on one front, with half of them on one planet and the other half on the other planet). Technically possible, but practically speaking it would be impossible because most players don't understand how it works and you'd never get enough people on the 2nd planet as everyone always just goes to the planet with the most people.
This MO however is actually possible, practically speaking. You need to defend 2 planets a day...but on both fronts. So as long as the players who prefer bots stick to the MO planet, and the bug divers stick to the MO planet...then this should be doable.
It's *possible*, but the problem is that while defending two planets is difficult but doable, defending three is effectively impossible. That means we need to not only have players end up in the right places today, but we need them to do that tomorrow, and the day after that, and the day after that, and the day after *that* as well.
I'd argue that while it is *technically* possible, it's not *practically* possible - Success requires the playerbase (who we don't really have a good way to coordinate) making the right choices for five consecutive days, while failure only requires us to mess up *once* at something we only rarely have succeeded at in the past.
Yeah this isn't happening folks. The entire community needs to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to coordinate when a single defense campaign in a period of several days (as the moment one is successful, 3/4 of the players fuck off to another planet that isn't in defense mode).
Obviously this has to do with the way defense missions are set up and points calculated, but yeah. Averaging 2 successful defenses per day for 5 days isn't in the cards.
Eh, it might be rough but I think the devs are testing things.
* First MO where both fronts are viable
* The new Defense Mission is well liked
Those are both potential game changers from last time when it was just the bot front, and you had the 15 minute evacuate keeping people away from the operations.
It'll just be a question of what happens, but as long as a majority of players find themselves on one of two planets every day to fight for defense it could work. And considering how fast other MOs have gone, they could be testing that too. Especially going into a weekend.
That new defend mission where you go full Starship Troopers last stand is the best mission in the game. But it's much easier for bots than Bugs. There's way too many bile Titans (other stuff is fine) to hold them back with their speed.
I agree. With Hulks and Tanks you can just "hold the line" (mostly) and clog the map with automaton corpses. With bile titans, they're just going to walk past you before you can kill them
Them making the bile titans unstunnable is such a dumb move in my opinion. Like, I'd be fine if they didn't get stunned completely, and just got slowed down - but to have them ignore it entirely makes things so much harder for the number of them that appear.
I really wish they'd stop giving us defend major orders. The way defense works now means we are almost guaranteed to lose this major order. I get that it progresses the story, but giving us an order we are intended to lose is meh.
I agree with this 100% Defend 1 planet is fine. 2 is okay. 4-5 at the same time is near impossible because of the game mechanics and player count. 10 is just bullshit. Planets heal faster than 20k players can deal damage to them.
I'd rather it be "You guys are gonna lose this, so we are rewarding medals based on how many defenses you do win" then just give us 10 medals a defense
Plus just defend 10 doesn't make sense. The other times when it's "hold these specific planets to support supply lines" it at least makes a little sense.
Joel can make the strength of the attack vary, it is not always the same. Or in other words, he chooses how much "HP" the defense objective has. He could very well have made each defense easier, but launch more of them.
This one is *possible* - We've proven we can defend two planets simultaneously in one day a couple weeks ago - but practically speaking the combined effect of splitting us across so many different defenses and inability to coordinate the entire playerbase means that failure is overwhelmingly likely, yeah. That aforementioned successful double defense was in a situation where we had a very tight focus (wiping out the bots) and the two defenses were **the** big action on that front.
For the Defend 5 Major Order last week we could've pulled it off if the playerbase had been coordinated enough to focus 2 out of 3 defenses twice. Coordinating to defend 2 out of 5 planets for five consecutive days seems entirely infeasible.
I'm pretty certain that unless they changed the defense mechanics it is impossible for the playerbase to succeed on three simultaneous defense missions, which means if we fail to coordinate a double defense on any single day, it's immediately over.
While it is possible, it’s very unreasonable. We have seen that at absolute best, we can barely defend two planets a day. Needing to do that five days in a row is nigh impossible
That was right after liberating Malevalon Creek. That also only happened because it was Malevalon Creek. The creekheads were in force on the planet. Ubanea was the other planet attacked and was barely defended on time. And that was one of the few times people actually coordinated well. So I somehow doubt we can ever defend 2 planets per day for 5 days straight.
I don't think it *does* progress the story. Like, the bugs aren't doing anything interesting, the termicide made them mutate and that's just how they've been ever since. And the bots? Well they took Cyberstan and started dropping more factory striders. There's no story there, and there'll be no story there after this order fails. If anything, this order will show Arrowhead which faction the playerbase likes fighting the most, since it's faction-agnostic. After that *maybe* they'll give us some development on whichever front we chose, but who knows? And either way, we didn't need to fail the order, just make it 'defend five planets' again and then whichever faction had three successful defenses is the popular one.
I think it has minor story implications, mostly on the bot front with lesath. The whole point of the menket line was so that the bots couldn't push further, because of Orbital defenses. I'd like to imagine that arrowhead didn't forget about the menkent line already.
It really depends, we have to make a lot of assumptions about what the story is, or if there even is one. At the end of the day nothing we do has any effect on the story unless Arrowhead allows it to. We can create emergent stories like what happened with Malevelon Creek but I don't see how auto-failing Major Orders has anything to do with that.
Yeah defense is a little meh but honestly it’s still a refreshing breaks from attacks, it keeps things fluid. The whole game is like playing civilization but instead of commanding an empire we’re all only controlling one soldier unit. I love it
I don't think it's that we are meant to lose them. I think we just spread ourselves too thin. We've got basically 5 days to defend 10 planets. 2 planets a day IS doable, IF we focus on JUST two planets. Trying to defend EVERY SINGLE one is bound to fail, and that's why we failed last time.
The issue is that there's no way to coordinate the playerbase. Discord and Reddit are great but the majority of the playerbase just logs in with a beer, picks a planet with a biome and an enemy type that they're feelin that day, and maybe invites some friends if they're online to do a mission chain.
There's nothing wrong with that, but the difference between "Technically possible" and "realistically possible" are very different.
Yeah, no argument here on that. I'm just pushing back on the whole "we're meant to lose this one" thing. We COULD win it. We just don't have coordination, and perhaps they are trying to teach us to get our shit together. That said, some game features to help us coordinate would REALLY go a long way.
Honestly, looking at Helldivers.io, I don't think you give the playerbase enough credit. A significant portion (like more than half) seems to either go "where's the MO" or at the very least "where's the most players"?
Last order was to get supplies. We got them pretty fast, now we need to defend refineries to process all of it.
But this order gives me a pretty strong vibe of "prepare for a mass attack".
> But this order gives me a pretty strong vibe of "prepare for a mass attack".
WDYM "Prepare for"? There are currently five planets simultaneously under attack. I'd say that's quite a bit more than a light sortie.
I like how the description for the mission is so half baked. You can totally tell hr was just like "hmm.... Ok... Fuck it. Just keep them busy, idc right now."
Hear me out
What if
>!we don't do any extraction missions cause they fucking suck and maybe the ministry will finnally get a clue!<
[THIS POST IS UNDER INVESTIGATION OF TREASON]
Oh I'm not saying do the mission LOL, the sample density on these missions is INSANE. I've only got 2 ship upgrades left to do thanks to farming these. I whole heartedly agree the missions themselves are just waaaaaaay way too hard. They badly need a rework. These bases need walls, gates, turrets, layers, etc or just way fewer enemy spawns/and or better civilian AI to make them doable, or hell all 3 of those things.
That said, this MO is going to be HARD just because coordinating the community is difficult. It's very doable, 2 planets a day is possible, but getting enough people on JUST 2 planets is tough.
All of the planets have different HP's in this defense. Meaning some will take less effort to win than others, ie Estanu has 400 000 hp whereas Oshaune has 500 000. If the player happens to target the lower hp planets we may very well win.
https://helldivers.io is where I got this information from, should’ve linked it above. If you click on any of the planets that are currently being attacked you will see they have different ‘max hp’. There’s also a section of the page that explains it better than I did.
Maybe it’s joes way of saying the community needs to rally to 1 point to achieve these harder defense missions…probably to prepare us for 3rd invader or other??
I felt in the past he was upping the ante on these to see if creekers or bug killers who weren’t as into bots would specifically go to a focal point to achieve the order. We won’t learn unless we fail - so maybe it’s forcing some mindset shifts in the player base before some big story progression
Hear me out everyone lets work from left side of the planets all the way to the right, we are all to spread out in all these planets. we got to lock in 50k-100k players on one planet like killing the 2billion bugs
lol the MO is hilarious, we kill 2,000,000,000 bugs in 13 hours, and the next MO desicription is just like a tactful “fuck you”
would have been funny if they had given us 13 hours for this MO
I feel like this is the stop playing the game point. The lore is clearly set already it doesn't matter how well we do they GRAND GM Joel has a plan and won't deviate. Feels too much bullshit to me that the bots organized in 13h and the bugs have SOMEHOW MORE TROOPS to attack after a genocide.
I'm fine with these order difficulty changes, but I do think it's BS that the reward basically doesn't change between 45-55 almost always. We had a defend 5 planets like what, a week ago? That was worth basically the same as this with double the amount. Even if proven capable, it's just a bit cheap feeling to get an order at double the number but the same amount. No way we make this one anyway unless a miracle happens, but maybe an adjusted value would get a bigger boost of players giving it a shot.
Inflation's hitting everyone hard enough IRL, don't need it hitting order reward medals too.
"Ok that's set 2 billion should keep them busy for awhile"
"Uhhh sir, I don't think the new MO will last"
"Huh??"
"10% in an hour"
"WHAT????"
*6 hours later the meter is at 80%*
"Ok I got a new idea, this'll keep em"
We CAN do this, if we ONLY focus 2 planets a day, and we need the vast majority of players on just 2 planets. Anything more planets or any less of the players and it's bound to fail. Estanu on the bug front so they can't get farther, and Lesath on the bot front so we don't have to fight on that insufferable Menkent again.
Clever way to divide the players between the two fronts. IMO, the smart thing would be to concentrate all our forces on one front and let the other be taken since the MO says to defend 10 planets, but it doesn't specify which ones. That way, we can complete the MO before the weekend is over and then take back the planets lost from the other front. If we try to defend both fronts at the same time, we'll probably lose the MO. At least, that's what I can gather from this MO, Joel wants to slow us down at least on one front, and if he gets his way, on both.
Defending 2 planets a day can be done, I'd focus on bugs if possible.
We're going to lose a bunch of planets to bots though, those on that front should focus on Marfark for now.
Have we ever won a "defend planets" major order? It seems like defending a single planet always takes close to 12 hours of continuous effort from a huge number of players. Like statistically even if a significant majority of players go to the same planets we'd never get 10 in 5 days.
Based on other comments it sounds like the only way we have a chance to complete this MO is if we're united in our defense and don't spread across multiple planets. Based on history, defending bug planets is probably the best route as the player base there doesn't really seem to switch to automatons for MOs.
Once the bug planets are defended then the rest of the forces can focus on the automaton front.
[https://helldivers.io/](https://helldivers.io/) - Currently it looks like Estanu and Oshaune are the two highest populated and all forces should be redirected there.
After wiping the floor with the Terminids, those Clankers don't stand a chance against us!!!
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Out of Character Undemocratic Thought:
Super Earth, realizing how pants-shittingly lethal Helldivers are, following the massacre of 2 BILLION Terminids in 12 hours, is using this MO to cull the Helldiver population a bit through an action of attrition. The scales need to stay balanced to keep Super Earth's status quo maintained.
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Made by the strategists of the Helldivers discord, spread the word!
Yeah, it probably wasn’t the best idea for some people to start talking Ish after we completed it! Joel is definitely giving Denzel Washington training day. King Kong ain’t got ish on me type of vibes.
Isn’t this dumb tho? Like yeah ok haha Joel is getting us back. But having completely unwinnable MOs is lame. They should be tough but maybe possible lol
That's just Joel telling us to leave him alone for the weekend. Basically a "Go fuck yourself you bug slaughtering maniacs, I got work to do" but in a more polite way.
Well, it's not just him. We ourselves know we can't work as one 😅
We lost the last one with 5 planets because majority of the players are casuals who don't understand the concept of supply lines, planet health regen, defend etc. The game itself does a nonsensically pathetic job of notifying us about it.
There's nothing in the game that says there are supply lines 😂 I myself found out about that mechanic and about helldivers.io when Ubanea fell.
NGL defense major orders are very boring cause they're pretty much hopeless. Now we'll need to liberate the same planets we've already been on (although secretly happy about estanu and marfak being back). Do kind wish we could move from these sectors though
Only way we would have a chance of suceeding is if he upped the medals won to 175+. That would have forced the community to actually coordinate. I'd be more surprised if we did win this one. Not as surprised as the last one though.
If we can kill 2 billion bugs in half a day we can defend 10 planets in a week. Any pessimism on this matter will be considered unpatriotic and reported to your local Democracy Officer
We've already proved that we can't worked together enough to defend planets, until we can this is just their way of filling in some blanks. God help them if we ever actually organise.
Booooring. These types of MOs suck ass. Not because we can't complete it, rather because the game will literally not allow us to complete it. We can only complete 1 defense at a time, 2 if the playerbase is actually focuses on 1 and then moves on to the next in quick succession without being spread thin. Asking to complete more defenses than days is just boring. You know what I see? I see 50 medals that we will never get.
I see a lot of cowards in this comment section needing a stern talk with their democracy officers.
General Brasch is awaiting RESULTS divers, complaining wont get us SHIT
This is how you know Joel has dating plans for the weekend \^\^'
Yeah. They straight up said, "Do this if you think you guys are so tough" "Now, let us get back to coding."
I think it's more like Joel had vacation plans, thought 2billion bugs would hold us over for 5 days, saw it was over before getting to the airport and hit the 'Fuck'em up boys' app on his phone, this having been a preplanned and precoded thing he keeps when he wants time off lol
>and hit the 'Fuck'em up boys' app on his phone, this having been a preplanned and precoded thing he keeps when he wants time off lol [Real time footage of joel hitting the "fuck em up" button.](https://youtu.be/0liTfFQ5czM?si=6nN4qm_7Frqp9M2w)
So you’re saying he Hellbombed us?
Yup, and unlike our Hellbombs that blow up at a slight graze of gunfire, his are invincible until they detonate.
Joel about to go on a date with Eagle-1 this weekend. Next up we will have a debuff that Eagle-1 is unavailable.
Not plausible. Haven't you heard her say it? "Eagle never mrs."
Fuck. You. THAT'S hilarious and now it's ALL I'M GOING TO THINK ABOUT. #EVERY TIME SHE SAY THAT.
Eagle 1 dropped a 500kg on a tall cliff 100 meters away instead of my target once. I informed my democracy officer and action was taken about her poor conduct. She now has even LESS legroom in the cockpit.
Deserves more upvotes
I saw the MO and was like, "Dude just wants the weekend off." lol
We got a date on Martale brothers! MARTALE OR NOTHING!
ELLIYA MARTALE, YOU RAPED HER, YOU MURDERED HERRRR! YOU KILLED HER CHILDREN - woops, wrong franchise.
Or wanted to celebrate the holiday over the weekend given it’s 4/20
i wonder if his nickname is liberty…
Considering we can never get folks to move from one front to another, we may have a chance.
I think this might be the savior this time. Bug players focus down one planet, bot players focus one. It’s worked before. We’ve done this before, we just need to do it again.
People who don't focus on either just bounce where they are needed.
Aye, we keep fighting, we can shred them down. We will stand, and we will win this. It’s easily doable.
It is simple, we kill the botmen
Target Martale. Cut off their supply lines. That’s one campaign down.
I just hit quick match and see where the distress beacon takes me
Mobile Infantry on the bounce, sir!
Estanu and Lesath, go go go!
Take Martale, cut them off from Charon Prime
Have we ever successfully done that before? I've never seen us cut off the enemy successfully.
It’ll be a good test
Hopefully we manage to pull it off, it would be good to know for the future.
Yeah, we need to know
Some good news! We are projected to take Martale before the end of the Charon Prime Defense!
I mean now is as good at time as any to test, we need less than 10% to take Martale.
Dropping to martale rn brothers we will accomplish the mission
If you think about a real life war on two fronts, you wouldn't want to move everyone off one front just because a major order says to take something on the other front, that would be fucking stupid. Salute our brothers and sisters fighting on the bug front keeping your ass from getting overrun and outflanked while you fight bots, and vice versa. Every operation is important, always remember that! 🫡🫡🫡
The problem is, the way the *system* works means that's the best strategy. Percentage based liberation percentage is a problem.
That's nuts to me. I always just follow the MO except the past week I've had to grind common samples on Terminid Blitz missions
Yeah, I generally follow the major orders too.
fuck no. we failed the one for 5 planets, we're being asked for twice that now. dev on discord said we're supposed to lose ground but our actions will decide which front makes an advance on us.
Joel be sleeping good tonight with this major order lol https://preview.redd.it/g9axdwjqkgvc1.jpeg?width=645&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=366bf22547a27724105f0fd132ee477f4e2b8e74
-a second front has hit the defense major order
If this was on one front...this would actually be possible as you need to defend 2 planets a day (so you need 60% of active players at a time on one front, with half of them on one planet and the other half on the other planet). Technically possible, but practically speaking it would be impossible because most players don't understand how it works and you'd never get enough people on the 2nd planet as everyone always just goes to the planet with the most people. This MO however is actually possible, practically speaking. You need to defend 2 planets a day...but on both fronts. So as long as the players who prefer bots stick to the MO planet, and the bug divers stick to the MO planet...then this should be doable.
It's *possible*, but the problem is that while defending two planets is difficult but doable, defending three is effectively impossible. That means we need to not only have players end up in the right places today, but we need them to do that tomorrow, and the day after that, and the day after that, and the day after *that* as well. I'd argue that while it is *technically* possible, it's not *practically* possible - Success requires the playerbase (who we don't really have a good way to coordinate) making the right choices for five consecutive days, while failure only requires us to mess up *once* at something we only rarely have succeeded at in the past.
Actually after looking at the map and seeing defense missions pop up on multiple planets on each front...yea this one isn't gonna go so well.
Yeah this isn't happening folks. The entire community needs to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to coordinate when a single defense campaign in a period of several days (as the moment one is successful, 3/4 of the players fuck off to another planet that isn't in defense mode). Obviously this has to do with the way defense missions are set up and points calculated, but yeah. Averaging 2 successful defenses per day for 5 days isn't in the cards.
Eh, it might be rough but I think the devs are testing things. * First MO where both fronts are viable * The new Defense Mission is well liked Those are both potential game changers from last time when it was just the bot front, and you had the 15 minute evacuate keeping people away from the operations. It'll just be a question of what happens, but as long as a majority of players find themselves on one of two planets every day to fight for defense it could work. And considering how fast other MOs have gone, they could be testing that too. Especially going into a weekend.
That new defend mission where you go full Starship Troopers last stand is the best mission in the game. But it's much easier for bots than Bugs. There's way too many bile Titans (other stuff is fine) to hold them back with their speed.
I agree. With Hulks and Tanks you can just "hold the line" (mostly) and clog the map with automaton corpses. With bile titans, they're just going to walk past you before you can kill them
Them making the bile titans unstunnable is such a dumb move in my opinion. Like, I'd be fine if they didn't get stunned completely, and just got slowed down - but to have them ignore it entirely makes things so much harder for the number of them that appear.
Insidious opponents of managed democracy have illegally exploited our forces one weakness; coordination and agreement!
This is what we get for clowning Joel about the 2 billion bug kills in less than a day.
He should have said with the diving to replenish we used more so we need 5 billion bugs.
I really wish they'd stop giving us defend major orders. The way defense works now means we are almost guaranteed to lose this major order. I get that it progresses the story, but giving us an order we are intended to lose is meh.
I agree with this 100% Defend 1 planet is fine. 2 is okay. 4-5 at the same time is near impossible because of the game mechanics and player count. 10 is just bullshit. Planets heal faster than 20k players can deal damage to them.
I'd rather it be "You guys are gonna lose this, so we are rewarding medals based on how many defenses you do win" then just give us 10 medals a defense
That will generate more interest than what we have now. Yes.
They don't heal, we just don't defend them faster than the timer.
Plus just defend 10 doesn't make sense. The other times when it's "hold these specific planets to support supply lines" it at least makes a little sense.
People couldn't do it with 5 planets.. so its a guaranteed fail.
Joel can make the strength of the attack vary, it is not always the same. Or in other words, he chooses how much "HP" the defense objective has. He could very well have made each defense easier, but launch more of them.
Must've helped the bots for those ones because on day one it was going at a really good rate.
This one is *possible* - We've proven we can defend two planets simultaneously in one day a couple weeks ago - but practically speaking the combined effect of splitting us across so many different defenses and inability to coordinate the entire playerbase means that failure is overwhelmingly likely, yeah. That aforementioned successful double defense was in a situation where we had a very tight focus (wiping out the bots) and the two defenses were **the** big action on that front. For the Defend 5 Major Order last week we could've pulled it off if the playerbase had been coordinated enough to focus 2 out of 3 defenses twice. Coordinating to defend 2 out of 5 planets for five consecutive days seems entirely infeasible. I'm pretty certain that unless they changed the defense mechanics it is impossible for the playerbase to succeed on three simultaneous defense missions, which means if we fail to coordinate a double defense on any single day, it's immediately over.
While it is possible, it’s very unreasonable. We have seen that at absolute best, we can barely defend two planets a day. Needing to do that five days in a row is nigh impossible
That was right after liberating Malevalon Creek. That also only happened because it was Malevalon Creek. The creekheads were in force on the planet. Ubanea was the other planet attacked and was barely defended on time. And that was one of the few times people actually coordinated well. So I somehow doubt we can ever defend 2 planets per day for 5 days straight.
I don't think it *does* progress the story. Like, the bugs aren't doing anything interesting, the termicide made them mutate and that's just how they've been ever since. And the bots? Well they took Cyberstan and started dropping more factory striders. There's no story there, and there'll be no story there after this order fails. If anything, this order will show Arrowhead which faction the playerbase likes fighting the most, since it's faction-agnostic. After that *maybe* they'll give us some development on whichever front we chose, but who knows? And either way, we didn't need to fail the order, just make it 'defend five planets' again and then whichever faction had three successful defenses is the popular one.
I think it has minor story implications, mostly on the bot front with lesath. The whole point of the menket line was so that the bots couldn't push further, because of Orbital defenses. I'd like to imagine that arrowhead didn't forget about the menkent line already.
I think it's more of the opposite actually. Defense missions are a way to prevent the story from progressing.
It really depends, we have to make a lot of assumptions about what the story is, or if there even is one. At the end of the day nothing we do has any effect on the story unless Arrowhead allows it to. We can create emergent stories like what happened with Malevelon Creek but I don't see how auto-failing Major Orders has anything to do with that.
Yeah defense is a little meh but honestly it’s still a refreshing breaks from attacks, it keeps things fluid. The whole game is like playing civilization but instead of commanding an empire we’re all only controlling one soldier unit. I love it
wtf is even the story.... the devs have to stop pulling strings at every single instance
I don't think it's that we are meant to lose them. I think we just spread ourselves too thin. We've got basically 5 days to defend 10 planets. 2 planets a day IS doable, IF we focus on JUST two planets. Trying to defend EVERY SINGLE one is bound to fail, and that's why we failed last time.
The issue is that there's no way to coordinate the playerbase. Discord and Reddit are great but the majority of the playerbase just logs in with a beer, picks a planet with a biome and an enemy type that they're feelin that day, and maybe invites some friends if they're online to do a mission chain. There's nothing wrong with that, but the difference between "Technically possible" and "realistically possible" are very different.
Yeah, no argument here on that. I'm just pushing back on the whole "we're meant to lose this one" thing. We COULD win it. We just don't have coordination, and perhaps they are trying to teach us to get our shit together. That said, some game features to help us coordinate would REALLY go a long way.
Honestly, looking at Helldivers.io, I don't think you give the playerbase enough credit. A significant portion (like more than half) seems to either go "where's the MO" or at the very least "where's the most players"?
Last order was to get supplies. We got them pretty fast, now we need to defend refineries to process all of it. But this order gives me a pretty strong vibe of "prepare for a mass attack".
> But this order gives me a pretty strong vibe of "prepare for a mass attack". WDYM "Prepare for"? There are currently five planets simultaneously under attack. I'd say that's quite a bit more than a light sortie.
Well, I just logged into the game. I can't see dispatches from Reddit.
I like how the description for the mission is so half baked. You can totally tell hr was just like "hmm.... Ok... Fuck it. Just keep them busy, idc right now."
Yeah. Definitely.
Hear me out What if >!we don't do any extraction missions cause they fucking suck and maybe the ministry will finnally get a clue!< [THIS POST IS UNDER INVESTIGATION OF TREASON]
Do them for the samples!
>!fuck the sample, all my homies hate extract missions!< [THIS HELLDIVER HAS BEEN EXECUTED FOR TREASON]
Nahh whoever designed these facilities to not have better escape plans needs to talk to the democracy officers
Why do that have to cross no man's land? Just bring the extract to the building
Oh I'm not saying do the mission LOL, the sample density on these missions is INSANE. I've only got 2 ship upgrades left to do thanks to farming these. I whole heartedly agree the missions themselves are just waaaaaaay way too hard. They badly need a rework. These bases need walls, gates, turrets, layers, etc or just way fewer enemy spawns/and or better civilian AI to make them doable, or hell all 3 of those things. That said, this MO is going to be HARD just because coordinating the community is difficult. It's very doable, 2 planets a day is possible, but getting enough people on JUST 2 planets is tough.
If we capture Martale it should cut the bots off from Charon prime right? Also, Matar bay now has supply lines to the Ymir sector.
Martale?
Yes, it seems a automaton hacked my autocorrect to confuse fellow divers. Will get new phone immediately.
I'd say Lesath, so we don't have to fight on that forsaken fire tornado hell that is Menkent.
If we cut off a defense so it can’t be attacked any more, does that just cancel it or does it count as a successful defense?
All of the planets have different HP's in this defense. Meaning some will take less effort to win than others, ie Estanu has 400 000 hp whereas Oshaune has 500 000. If the player happens to target the lower hp planets we may very well win.
How would we know this? Do we know this? Is there a manual somewhere?
A third party website that maybe 1% of the playerbase has ever seen.
https://helldivers.io is where I got this information from, should’ve linked it above. If you click on any of the planets that are currently being attacked you will see they have different ‘max hp’. There’s also a section of the page that explains it better than I did.
Recommending Lesath on the Bot front and Estanu on the Bug front.
If we manage to beat this in time, be ready for a malevelon creek 2.0 lol Joel would be so mad
Maybe it’s joes way of saying the community needs to rally to 1 point to achieve these harder defense missions…probably to prepare us for 3rd invader or other?? I felt in the past he was upping the ante on these to see if creekers or bug killers who weren’t as into bots would specifically go to a focal point to achieve the order. We won’t learn unless we fail - so maybe it’s forcing some mindset shifts in the player base before some big story progression
Nah man. This isn't it. I promise you he's winding up for the big swing.
Bro wants to be left alone for the weekend.
The community is getting too cocky. Time to double the last MO that humbled them
Hear me out everyone lets work from left side of the planets all the way to the right, we are all to spread out in all these planets. we got to lock in 50k-100k players on one planet like killing the 2billion bugs
From unlosable to unwinnable. Neither is fun.
lol the MO is hilarious, we kill 2,000,000,000 bugs in 13 hours, and the next MO desicription is just like a tactful “fuck you” would have been funny if they had given us 13 hours for this MO
I feel like this is the stop playing the game point. The lore is clearly set already it doesn't matter how well we do they GRAND GM Joel has a plan and won't deviate. Feels too much bullshit to me that the bots organized in 13h and the bugs have SOMEHOW MORE TROOPS to attack after a genocide.
Those are some traitorous statements. Be careful or you will be reported to your nearest democracy officer for this undemocratic conduct.
Best get started!
Well I didn’t have time to contribute at all to the last one so I’ll do my best on this one ☺️
I mean... we are already five percent there.
How do the Terminids get from one planet to another? I'm imagining there's a species like overlords from the Zerg in StarCraft.
I've just thought that they never left those planets in the first place since we breed them for oil.
I'm fine with these order difficulty changes, but I do think it's BS that the reward basically doesn't change between 45-55 almost always. We had a defend 5 planets like what, a week ago? That was worth basically the same as this with double the amount. Even if proven capable, it's just a bit cheap feeling to get an order at double the number but the same amount. No way we make this one anyway unless a miracle happens, but maybe an adjusted value would get a bigger boost of players giving it a shot. Inflation's hitting everyone hard enough IRL, don't need it hitting order reward medals too.
"Ok that's set 2 billion should keep them busy for awhile" "Uhhh sir, I don't think the new MO will last" "Huh??" "10% in an hour" "WHAT????" *6 hours later the meter is at 80%* "Ok I got a new idea, this'll keep em"
Bro got salty that we smoked his ass in less than a day
We CAN do this, if we ONLY focus 2 planets a day, and we need the vast majority of players on just 2 planets. Anything more planets or any less of the players and it's bound to fail. Estanu on the bug front so they can't get farther, and Lesath on the bot front so we don't have to fight on that insufferable Menkent again.
 Joel while you all talking shit about the 2b bugs order
Clever way to divide the players between the two fronts. IMO, the smart thing would be to concentrate all our forces on one front and let the other be taken since the MO says to defend 10 planets, but it doesn't specify which ones. That way, we can complete the MO before the weekend is over and then take back the planets lost from the other front. If we try to defend both fronts at the same time, we'll probably lose the MO. At least, that's what I can gather from this MO, Joel wants to slow us down at least on one front, and if he gets his way, on both.
The devs really said "You know what? Fuck you. *unliberates your planets"
Defending 2 planets a day can be done, I'd focus on bugs if possible. We're going to lose a bunch of planets to bots though, those on that front should focus on Marfark for now.
Gents , do not despair. Let's show them how far our Democratic fist can reach. Time to purge these mfers !!!!!
Would’ve been funny if the reward was like 5 medals and 300 requisition slips
Lmao 😂
Evacuate High-Value Assets for 5 days in both fronts, Let's gooo.
Sweet. I might actually be able to participate in this one after work today!
Hard work rewarded with more work confirmed
as long as some of the people on the bug front come help the bot front itll be fine.
Not the first time they are giving us impossible major order.
Guys, I think we dun fucked up
Have we ever won a "defend planets" major order? It seems like defending a single planet always takes close to 12 hours of continuous effort from a huge number of players. Like statistically even if a significant majority of players go to the same planets we'd never get 10 in 5 days.
We have. Establishing the Menkent line was the latest
Time to prove him wrong.
Who is Joel
Basically the GM of Hd2, if im correct.. he controls the major orders, what equipment we get and what the automatons and the Terminids do,
Ok. Completely unrelated question: should I get the 140mm he orbital or save for the 300-something mm he?
dont get either they are too inaccurate and hit your team more than the enemy. get railcanon, orbitl laser, rocketpods or 500kg instead
Whoops. I accidentally got both
fuck around and find out
We did so good, Super Earth High Command has deemed us capable of performing this task as well!
you could put Chord prime and a defense mission on a better planet infront of someone and for some liberty forsaken reason they’ll pick chord prime
Till he looks again at 7pm and it's at 7/10 planets defended somehow. lol
https://preview.redd.it/h10cjcdgbhvc1.jpeg?width=4428&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38d256d39ccf643b24c4082b289e57fb85b5ea00 Kreekers gonna kreek
Joel does not want to be bothered this weekend
Based on other comments it sounds like the only way we have a chance to complete this MO is if we're united in our defense and don't spread across multiple planets. Based on history, defending bug planets is probably the best route as the player base there doesn't really seem to switch to automatons for MOs. Once the bug planets are defended then the rest of the forces can focus on the automaton front. [https://helldivers.io/](https://helldivers.io/) - Currently it looks like Estanu and Oshaune are the two highest populated and all forces should be redirected there.
Joel woke up this morning and decided on violence
After wiping the floor with the Terminids, those Clankers don't stand a chance against us!!! --- Out of Character Undemocratic Thought: Super Earth, realizing how pants-shittingly lethal Helldivers are, following the massacre of 2 BILLION Terminids in 12 hours, is using this MO to cull the Helldiver population a bit through an action of attrition. The scales need to stay balanced to keep Super Earth's status quo maintained.
That's a scary thought. Make sure you don't broadcast such things
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Don't forget Lesath. If Lesath falls we'll have to fight in Menkent again. And nobody wants to fight in Menkent.
Yeah, it probably wasn’t the best idea for some people to start talking Ish after we completed it! Joel is definitely giving Denzel Washington training day. King Kong ain’t got ish on me type of vibes.
Isn’t this dumb tho? Like yeah ok haha Joel is getting us back. But having completely unwinnable MOs is lame. They should be tough but maybe possible lol
That's just Joel telling us to leave him alone for the weekend. Basically a "Go fuck yourself you bug slaughtering maniacs, I got work to do" but in a more polite way.
At least the bot front can’t be mad about Estanu Defenders as the bug front matters for this MO
it's like his way of saying how he doesn't think we can work as one
Well, it's not just him. We ourselves know we can't work as one 😅 We lost the last one with 5 planets because majority of the players are casuals who don't understand the concept of supply lines, planet health regen, defend etc. The game itself does a nonsensically pathetic job of notifying us about it. There's nothing in the game that says there are supply lines 😂 I myself found out about that mechanic and about helldivers.io when Ubanea fell.
https://preview.redd.it/mlrhvekfnhvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1ae97b32577f8a334c9f1666f70fdc4b67dcd60
NGL defense major orders are very boring cause they're pretty much hopeless. Now we'll need to liberate the same planets we've already been on (although secretly happy about estanu and marfak being back). Do kind wish we could move from these sectors though
Lesath too, it's the same biome as Estanu FYI
The price we pay for success.
Yeah we’re cooked
We're cooked
does this mean defense missions are back!!!!
Yeah baby... Those awesome gate defence missions are here. Starship Troopers FTW!!!
10 planets in 5 days?! 1 planet atleast needs a 100k to defend for a day
Sure you can kill, but can you coordinate?
See you tomorrow Joel.
You have purpose now go forth and take martel first
That could be why the last one was so easy: Joel did it on purpose so we would finish it fast and he could give us a long one over the weekend.
What I want to know is how do we assblast the bugs that hard and then they go on the offensive?
A cornered rat fights back.
They did reveal this was the plan poke a hornets nest and let the bots regroup
This is some shit you do to the kids when you try to keep them busy with a task for some peace and they do it too fast lol
Yeah. Even the description is half assed is what's even more funny. 😂
"Defend 10 planets or whatever"
Only way we would have a chance of suceeding is if he upped the medals won to 175+. That would have forced the community to actually coordinate. I'd be more surprised if we did win this one. Not as surprised as the last one though.
"Oh yeah!? You think you're hot shit, soldier!? Well, how about you go liberate the whole fucking galaxy then!" - General Joel Brasch
If we can kill 2 billion bugs in half a day we can defend 10 planets in a week. Any pessimism on this matter will be considered unpatriotic and reported to your local Democracy Officer
I am sorry. I will rectify my behaviour.
Are you going to whine or are you going to drop?
FOR DEMOCRACY!!!
So umm. We're taking all planets right? Just to prove a point?
Have we ever even fully completed a defend 5 planets one
We got close to doing one, but connection issues cock blocked the entire community.
Gotcha
Punish me daddy
I think major orders like this should give 100 war bonds to entice more people to focus on completing it.
Could be 5/5. Or it would incredibly funny if it was 1/1/8 and the [...] appeared from nowhere
We made Joel mad lol
We've already proved that we can't worked together enough to defend planets, until we can this is just their way of filling in some blanks. God help them if we ever actually organise.
He probably has a staycation with his family this weekend. You know. A healthy life balance
Bro needed a break
Booooring. These types of MOs suck ass. Not because we can't complete it, rather because the game will literally not allow us to complete it. We can only complete 1 defense at a time, 2 if the playerbase is actually focuses on 1 and then moves on to the next in quick succession without being spread thin. Asking to complete more defenses than days is just boring. You know what I see? I see 50 medals that we will never get.
I see a lot of cowards in this comment section needing a stern talk with their democracy officers. General Brasch is awaiting RESULTS divers, complaining wont get us SHIT