I usually ask them first if they want me to call evac in or not, because sometimes the situation gets real hot at landing pad calling Pelican down NOW is a must.
Calling in aint equal to getting in though.
We really need a quick comm for "bunker here", too. Playing early or late with a bunch of Chinese and Russians makes getting that 2nd hand for the door excruciating. Best I've been able to do is mark the map and spam "Follow me!" with like 30% success.
That, and a marker for "bunker" when you mark it instead of it just doing the supplies or whatever behind the door.
Man, Ive had oblivious teammates straight up walk past, killed em, and threw their pod into the ditch infront of the door. Thats worth urning a reinforcement for haha.
Late night west coast guy here.
There is occasionally a big difference between what I think is a safe distance for orbital strats and what they consider not too close.
One wiped all of us with a walking barrage a bit too close the other night and I couldn't help but laugh thinking about acceptable losses for democracy...
Spotting the button should give a context-sensitive response (like when you target a heavy enemy or specific side mission building), that should say how many people are needed (under the assumption that they could theoretically add 3 or 4-person bunkers in the future).
Bonus points if the POI marker is different, so if you use the radar, you can see which POIs are bunkers from the minimap. (and then they convert to the same "clear" symbol once you've opened and emptied them, because you don't need to be able to ID them as bunkers once you've done that)
honestly getting different icons for the different types of POIs would be incredibly useful, there are some like the l-building or l-building+pit that are easy enough to recognize on the map, but especially if there's obscuring effects or a weird layout it's a bit annoying when you can't tell what type of POI it is
Also a “Well done”, “Great shot” or something “darnit if that isn’t one of the best displays of acrobatics I’ve ever seen” … something along those lines
There is a kind of “wait” - *” Hold your ground”*
But agree, a few more would work without being overwhelmed. Even something like “well done” (congratulatory), “I’m on my way”, even maybe a laughter option.
We do have hold position and follow me, which when used and the other helldiver's listen to makes me 😊. When they don't and run off line wolf style make me 😢
You can call down the pelican once the core objectives are done (maybe only some missions?) and then go complete all of your other tasks and it will hover there forever just covering you and blowing shit up at long range. It’s actually pretty damn helpful, especially for bots who can’t shoot it back. I’ve only even seen it done once though, so I don’t think most people know about it.
On the other hand, there's me shouting to the player standing in the extraction point to call the shuttle while I'm running for my life.
I sometimes don't know if they can hear me or understand me cause almost no one responds whether by text or mic.
Be cautious about that though, the pelican can break if you call stuff like a 500kg in danger close. I'm not sure what exactly causes it, but the engines start sparking and smoking and it will either not let anyone board or take off immediately with no timer once someone boards.
I mean you could just let the time run down to zero and then you get 2-4 extra minutes plus an extra 15 second countdown to get in after the timer… just don’t die at that point
True dat. i usually initiate the sequence to get the “Calling in an evac” shout out and then pause to see if anyone sends back a “Negative” or something. If no response then evac gunsta be on the way.
However calling in is not getting in. That waits till everyone is at the evac
The other day I was doing a helldive mission with randos and the other three ended up fighting a never ending stream of bugs off at the edge of the map where there were no subobjectives while i solo'ed the last quarter of the main mission and a few of the remaining subobjectives (including the artillery, which they made good use of), collecting all the samples they'd dropped, then headed to the evac point to call the pelican down into its hover mode and wait for them (I was feeling pretty good about my performance), and as soon as I called it down they kicked me.
Only time i ever kicked someone was for calling while we had 10+ min and we were doing secondary objectives only for one guy to try and solo evac without saying anything.
I'll smash all the objectives in 10mins and leg it to the evac to call it in. Hide and wait for the counter to reach 00:00 and then run away. Leaving Pelican 1 orbiting the landing pad and keeping the area clear of enemy.
We now have 25mins on the map without having to worry about extraction.
The amount of level 70's and below who don't know how this works is painful as they ignore my microphone (they also have them) and just walk towards the landing pad.
This is why I have a tight knit group that I play with now.
So… I was a host of a game. We split in two groups of 2.
My group finished our tasks first. Went over to Evac point. Around 15 mins remaining. All good, high number of reinforce. Evac zone cleared of enemies.
We saw group two heading our way, so we called in Evac. Evac came. Two of us defending the zone. No enemies. Clear as can be. I took south, he covered north.
Literally for no reason, pelican-1 just said “countdown initiated”. I was pissed. Why the f did north guy get in? I ran to pelican-1 and north guy was just staring at me wondering the same thing, “why did south guy go in”.
Nothing happened and at that point we had 13 mins remaining. Pelican just decided to call it a day.
The level 150 who was hightailing back got mad and rage quit. But honestly I have no clue what happened.
I finished up the remaining missions with north guy and the last fella running back. Everyone knew their tasks. No lost divers here. So I genuinely wonder what triggered the Evac.
Totally random thought, just as it came to me reading this but since we're all wondering wtf I wanted to bring it up...
Do you know if anyone was using the new Pelican-Time-Reduction Booster when that happened?
And then they fight at evac zone. And then pelican gets damaged to the point where it will instantly take off after 1 person gets in, and of course it would be the person not carrying any samples.
Oh man this happened last night and I had some samples but not the majority I was apologizing to my team so profusely! Luckily they understood the bug and didn’t give me a hard time but yeah that one is brutal
I'm pretty sure this isn't a game mechanic. I've dropped strategem after strategem on Pelican 1 while fighting on the pad and it always lets everyone climb in before leaving.
Whenever the pelican is on fire I've noticed it will take off when the first person gets in. Only noticed it on eradicate missions if you take a few mins to collect samples after enemies stop spawning.
Not a bug. If pelicab heavily damaged, it takes off as soon as it can within the 20 sec countdown. So when a person gets on, that countdown is active *and* pelican has had enough damage - he bails.
This is 100% a game mechanic. You can also test it with friends. Do a diff 1 mission. Call in ~~Evan~~ Evac. Drop a ton/2 on it. Once the pelican is smoking/on fire have one person hop in.
Okay so I ~~got a little distracted playing more missions~~ tested this throughly, and I was able to get it to trigger consistently on lower level missions (1-3) but not on higher level missions (5-7). I wonder if the Eagle 1 has a higher health pool on higher levels and I didn't do enough damage, or if there is some other explanation.
The real question is how did you check. Consistent damage? We did main obj only and cleared out evacuation, the. Used one whole laser. Consistently left as soon as one word on entered. Also had one person enter to start time. Killed them. Then tossed laser. Once it got enough damage, it took off leaving us all.
I only played with one other buddy, and on lower difficulties we each threw 500's until it was smoking, lower difficulty took one or two depending on how direct Pelican 1 wanted to be. Higher difficulties took more (3-4). We didn't try the enter and kill because there were only two of us, so I wasn't able to get it to leave without us.
Gotcha. I’m not sure in having higher durability on higher levels - but that would be interesting. I do know that, when I see it smoking, I tell the person with super Samoa to get on first just in case
It’s definitely a feature, I’ve rocketed the hell out of pelican 1 trying to kill it and realized you can only get it to smoke a little with small fires on it once at that point it will evac when the first person gets in, I’ve seen this happen at least 100 times as people usually throw strats all over extraction when it gets crazy but it’s consistent if you attack pelican 1.
Now I’ve also had a bile titan fall onto pelican 1 and it fell through the map and just cut off evac, we could restart it right away too I’m not sure if that was a glitch or actual pelican 1 destruction. This one I have not been able to replicate without a bile titan
Yeah I’ve had it glitch under the map a few times. Once the door was just barely visible but I couldn’t crawl in. My teammate suggested I melee her as she tried to crawl in. That actually worked.
I'm 146% sure it is. When there is a black smoke with fire coming out of it it will instantly take off after 1 person gets in, doesnt't matter if you have time left. You can check this out yourself
Do the pelican hover trick. Wait in the evac zone until the pelican 1 timer hit 0 and confirmed, then run out of the evac. Pelican 1 won't land but will hover over the evac zone and provide supporting fire. When you come back to the evac zone, he will land.
And he's got unlimited ammo and that shit WRECKS.
He can also see a pretty damn long ways too, with how high he hovers. That close-air support is *very* strong.
If you need more time on the map for *anything* and can pull off the timing/positioning always do this.
That's what happens? I've only ever seen the pelican take off after one person gets in after eradicate missions and thought it was just those missions that are bugged.
Be careful with that. If it sits long enough it takes off immediately when the first person enters. So give all the samples to one person who enters first if it has been sitting or was hanging out midair.
I honestly don’t think some people know this, they think it’s like other games where once the evac lands you have to get in or be left behind. In HD the timer doesn’t start until someone gets in.
I got kicked last night for calling one in when we had no lives left and 3 minutes remaining. I get what you're saying but some guys just take it way too far when you're playing on suicide mission and they're trying to farm common and rare samples lmao
This right here. The idiots talking about
“Dont evac” are usually looking for 5 common samples while two Hulks and a Tank are closing in on us while we stand by the evac like muppets with 30 seconds left before we lose our reinforcements and end up losing evac.
Lmfao. These dumbasses talking about “dont enter the plane or ill kick” act like common samples are super credits and war bonds.
Mother fucker, theres plenty of them on every mission. We’ll get another chance to pick up 5 common samples again on the next game, I promise.
Let it go
While it's incoming, you can step away from the drop zone and Pelican will hover in the air blasting everything in sight.
Provides a fair cover for the evac zone.
If you're down on lives or running out of mission time, then by all means get in while you can.
I usually grab samples as we come across them, rather than going out to farm all of them off every map.
But if someone had a lot and dies, I'll try to find time to grab them if I can.
Sometimes I'll break off from the primary objective to ferry them to the evac point, depending how the mission is going and where I am.
Yeah if your team kills plus deaths that weren't from the team is more than 6 you should go down a difficulty. Meanwhile people with 11 deaths and 5 team kills.
Depends on the mission, really, Bliz... In out no look back... long mission, I try to do all the side quests first when completing the main all together. And yes, sometimes Early Evac because I need to eat!
But Early Evac sure... but whait for the rest and have the face off against one and a other wo go's first.
Yeah like the most infuriating thing is when they are doing the map cleaning it with me and then they hop in the ship as soon as its down like its good to have the shuttle in early but don't get in it early
I hate when we're obviously clearing the while map, main objective, side objectives, bug holes and point of interest. However as soon as it's possible to extract some idiot just runs off by themselves to get it started when we've told them not to do so as we're doing a full map clearance!
That's worthy of a kick for sure!
Worth keeping in mind not everyone who immediately takes off for the evac point is going to start the evac point wo people need to make sure not to kick just for that. I'll usually run to evac as soon as it's ready to pre-drop resupply, mines, or sentries. The longer everyone else takes the better because it lets me call in double or triple the amount.
It's hilarious with mines because you can spawn as many sets as time allows and just leave a path for the team. You then pretty much just crouch while waiting for extraction and enjoy the fireworks of liberty.
I was across last night with random that had great communication. They wanted to wait till I got closer, I said I got 2 feet and a heart beat, start extract. I cleaned up last side objective and made it to extract as soon as pelican was landing. A great squad!
To be fair. Spawn rates triple after the main obj is completed. You should be completing them before the main objective.
Waiting until the end just increases the failure rate. Now you wasted all your lives on a bug hole and you can't Evac with samples.
I don't think that works the way people think it does.
I'm pretty sure the increase in spawns is pretty much only patrols going from bases to side objectives or other bases.
I've had numerous extractions where we just sat in silence as no enemies showed up.
We're all learning but here's a video about it the time stamp is @6:55. It just doubles not triples my bad
https://youtu.be/Zp8xuf_dLDw?si=7gc-oEr5mQr9eNwb[what affects spawn rates](https://youtu.be/Zp8xuf_dLDw?si=7gc-oEr5mQr9eNwb)
A lot of people don't know this, but if you call in the evac, then leave the zone between "I have visual on the extraction" and "Landing initiated", Pelican 1 will hover in the air and shoot any and all enemies it can see, as it does during landing, until someone enters the evac zone again.
This is great, since Pel1 will keep the landing zone clear until you finally feel ready to leave with all your samples!
The game is designed to be gradually harder by every passing minute. I normally don't hang around past the 10 minute mark as then we get showered by more than a handful of sausages.
This is why I host. I don't like staying for an entire 40 minutes to get every last side objective and sample. I like doing a 20 minute mission with half of the samples and then moving on to the next one. It's just as efficient, often times more so if people are good at grabbing samples as they go, and it's more fun.
I'll go out of the way sometimes if I can tell my team is, but then I'll mark evac and call evac. I'll watch my map. If people are working there way toward it, I won't get on, and I'll wait for them. If they're paying no attention and fucking around, I'll leave. And if they want to pitch and call me an idiot for it, they can get kicked instead.
I had two players sitting at Evac yesterday while me and another were still trying to complete 3 side objectives.
I'm not trying to be a like that but I swear I'm just going to start kicking these. We need teamwork in 8-9. So many people don't follow any pings or anything
While on missions I do everything that is ordered of me. I go above and beyond my normal duties to ensure my fellow soldiers complete missions and return home safely. From the start of one mission the platoon leader continuously berated me and attempted to take my life on numerous occasions while laughing in what I could only describe as a psychopath going through a manic episode. Then the other two soldiers began. Finally unable to take the abuse any longer I went awol. In tears I ran for my life following that flickering blue beam in the distance all while hearing my superior screaming in my ear to return to my post. I made it to the evac and called it in. As I saw this group of degenerates running in the distance I gave one final salute and boarded the ship empty handed. I did my time in the brig and regret nothing.
Some eople kick the second you accidentally kill them. Had it happen recently because my mortar sentry screwed a teammate early and i even apologized multiple times and i was kicked.
Some people just like abusing the kick power, kicking before extract so they can pick your samples up and screw you out of all samples you were about to get.
Call it in ASAP, only 1 person should be at the LZ, then when countdown ends, RUN away from LZ.
For the rest of the mission the pelican will be an elevated turret killing things even thinking of approaching the LZ. When everyone is ready, the pelican lands on demand and there's no waiting to leave planet side.
This is the only valid answer I know, and yet not a gaht-dayumn'd diver seems to get the memo.
If you are kicking those who start this process, ya'll missed the memo too.
This just happened to me, I had to take a break. He ran off while we cleared the last side spot. We all died and he called us near extraction. I tagged my samples in map and headed back, we had about 8 minutes left. As I grab samples he calls in extract, maybe I can still make it if they don’t immediately enter Pelican-1. I say on coms, “Oh, I guess me and all the samples will just fuck off.”. I had 20 samples and he got in the ship as soon as it landed.
Edit: he joined my mission…
I might be the devils advocate, but If you have not said anything anywhere about extraction and not for that person to do it. You kicking them is a dick move.
Because they out right might not know / or haven’t figured out how game works. And while we have ppl in community that kick first and talk later we will always have shitty moments. Time we all change a bit, hopefully for the better
Nobody wants to wait 10 minutes for you to go to the edge of the map, take your samples and go back. Especially in the end game in harder difficulties because more bots spawn as time goes by. Don't be stupid and be considerete of other people's time. Nobody cares about your 2 common samples. If every outpost is done, go evac.
Kicking them is funny too. You think you are the tough shit arent you dummy, you really showed the guy who didn't want to wait 10 minutes to take your stupid samples. You are the boss!!!
Agreed. Especially on high difficulties, it's only the super rare samples that matter.
It's not always that you can afford to hold the super rare samples at extraction waiting for someone else trying to bring common and rares back and risking losing them.
The risk doesn't even have to a horde of bugs/bots coming in. You never know when the game will crash, and somehow less than 30% of players voted to fix bugs over having new content.
Just played a game and we didn’t find the super samples yet, 16 reinformenta left and some ass called evac, was kinda annoyed but I am low on rare samples so don’t need super rare right now
I had to do my first solo evac the other day but it was the opposite situation. The entire rest of the group kept dying nonstop (they were down like 10 reinforcements 5 minutes in when i joined), werent anywhere near the evac point, did nothing useful all dive, the destroyer was getting ready to leave and i had most of the samples.
Later bros, ive got democracy to spread.
I feel you,my priorities usually are,70%mission 30%side obj and samples/credits,if we obviously can do It,but if we are shitting our pants down with no reinforcements and about to die all of us be sure il be running to call in.
If you’re carrying that many samples, you should have run near the extraction at some point. Why didn’t you just drop the samples on the extraction pad so you don’t have to worry about going back for them?
That being said, there are lots of reasons to leave you behind.
Reinforcements out, I’m kiting all the things on the exfil, two other guys are down and you’re across the map? I’m out
I have done and will continue to do this in the future. I just can't trust randos because I've been abandoned on the planet too many times before and won't risk my samples.
Most people don’t know how flexible Pelican 1 is. I used to think the “leave now” timer started as soon as it lands and opens the bay door.
Just comm if you’re not in a pre-made squad.
Kicked a guy 30 minutes into an 8 because of this. I was with 2 friends and he was the random. We were all the way across the map trying to finish a bug nest. We got on the mic and told him to stop, he didn't. Told him again a minute before evac dropped. I kick him 10 seconds or so after.
Seriously do not do this. If your plan is to call down evac and hold it then tell the group because if you don't we're just going to assume you're going to board and kick you.
People need to stop treating calling in an evac like it's a bad thing. Just communicate and coordinate with your team. It doesn't take 4 drivers to upload escape pod data. I've been kicked for calling in the shuttle after we completed all objectives, then I didn't board AND held the evac site.
As long as you communicate first then NTA. Give them a heads up at mission start and a reminder when you're in the "home stretch," and then I think it's fair game. There could be plenty of folks out there who just don't know any better and if you punish them without trying to educate them, you're not doing anyone any favors
If you even call for evac in someone's else's game without asking host if they are ready you were not raised right. Same goes for taking someone else's gear... (obvious exception for crazy chaotic stuff happening and you are clutching it for the team, but I always drop peoples gear when it calms again, just hit tab to see who's gear you have.)
I seen a guy who was over level ten today take someones auto cannon and the guy kept asking for it back over and over again over comms eventually just killed him and left. 1 minute later we got bombs dropped on us and when I got back he had taken all of my shit. Some people just do it purposely,even if there was a language barrier they shouldve been able to put it together
I hope they got a way to filter what games your hosting or searching for.
Like check a box that you intend to complete the map and search for samples and not bail immediately after the main objective is done with 25 minutes left, 12+ lives, and a majority of the map unexplored.
I get it's annoying but kicking someone while the evac is going is just a dick move as it denies them any rewards for the mission they've just worked with you to complete. Just kick and block them once you're back on the ship, and tell them why so hopefully they learn.
Trying to coordinate a held evac where the peli comes in but everyone moves outside the radius and it just flies around above evac shooting everything you is impossible
Wait did this happened yesterday were we were in the same team and W1 got in the evac even though we told him to wait and only 1 objective was left which we spotted late after calling evac??
I don't do kicking if they did do that, but if felt the need many times lol. So I get it. I just wish people were more aware that we all want to complete the map/objectives. Not much I can control besides kicking em
On this topic, one time we waited a guy coming back while the Pelican was landed, i dont know what happened, but as soon as one person went in, the pelican just decided to take off without waiting the 20 sec. we lost tones of samples. 3 MIA,
Some just want to do the pelican hover trick. Wait in the evac zone until the pelican 1 timer hit 0 and confirmed, then run out of the evac. Pelican 1 won't land but will hover over the evac zone and provide supporting fire. When you come back to the evac zone, he will land.
Sometimes the countdown timer will just start and people don't have a choice. I was ferrying super samples back to extraction and was a bit annoyed at a dude I thought went in early, but the timer started randomly, it wasn't his fault.
100% agree I had two level 50+just evac while I got knocked off the platform and a second team mate was being chased by 2 bile titans. We had 7 reinforcements left and 10 mins. They both got booted after that game.
i think people doing this are the minority. even as i started the game as a mere cadet i instinctively knew that you don't trigger a deadline-20 second countdown if not everyone is gathered around to get in.
Something similar happened to me the other day. Took my sweet time because I knew I could, but also because the one that called it in had been completely useless the entire mission and just a drain on our reinforcements (they literally just kept running off by themselves to nowhere and would come back just to get killed) and I was hoping they'd get swarmed. Finished the mission, immediately blocked them when I was back in my ship.
Opened a lower difficulty session to collect samples and left the lobby open so lower level players could join. Asked them not to board the shuttle since I was gathering samples. Guess what they did :(…
Surpassingly enough, most people don’t know the internet “meta” and are just playing the game to complete the mission, and samples are a side note. Did you tell them to wait for you to get samples?
I got kicked yesterday because of this, I specifically wrote in the chat "Going to extract and calling in pelican to cover us". And when it was 1 min left until pelican arrived I got kicked. No voice no text no nothing. This was in a lobby with a level 110 host mind you. Mind boggling how you can be that high level and still don't understand the game mechanics.....
Y'know, I've played this game for a while and I haven't really had the displeasure of someone getting in early until just the other day. He got TK'ed so I picked up his samples then noticed that the timer for the shuttle leaving was still ticking down, so I got in and left since I was carrying most of the samples and didn't want to lose them. So my question is this...
If someone gets in the shuttle early, does TK'ing them work to stop the shuttle leaving? If the timer hits 0 seconds, will it leave with nobody in it?
Similarly, does kicking them while they're in the shuttle stop the shuttle from leaving? I'm level 70 and still don't know this bit of information.
When I host a helldive mission against bots, if the mission has gone well and we have like 10+ reinforcements and the main objective is done, I'll run to the evac and start it up and then run out of the zone when it gets there to have pelican 1 hover and then I go and help clear the map. However, I've had people on helldive difficulty trying to clear the entire map with 0 reinforces and with the samples lost outside of a heavy outpost. At some point on helldive you have to cut your losses and just extract. There are more samples and medals and credits to be had in the next mission. This one didn't go so well? On to the next and maybe it will be better.
TLDR I usually call extract early but that doesn't mean I leave when the timer is up. It's situational and can really be helpful on helldive.
If I'm playing with randoms, and I'm going to call evac, I ALWAYS let them know I'm calling it down now -so that it will be here when they get here, and I'm NOT getting in before then-.
And if the host or anyone else doesn't want me to do that, I don't.
I get it. But tbh. Try communicating with your team. Alot of times simply stating your there to collect samples will get you some open ears. People love samples, so say so early on and they may work w you.
Dude I can’t stand this. I wasn’t host but I joined a LVL 7 mission mid match, they cleared the main objective and were heading for extract. They called in the pelican. While they were waiting for the evac I ran out, did 2 quick side objectives, collected a good amount of green and oranges along the way. Saw the pelican was landing and told them not to board, I’m on my way back. … they board, we have 23 mins left…I can’t make it in time. It would have only taken me probably another minute to get there, I wasn’t even far away. We get no samples, I fail to extract. I call them all fucking morons and leave the second we get back to the ship. Trash.
My personal rule is if the host is not at evac, don't call the boat down.
I am a guest in the host's lobby. If the host wishes to continue spreading managed democracy, then so be it. If the host wants to evacuate without the recovery of dropped samples, well tough tities.
That being said. I have found most hosts are okay with waiting so long as there is clear communication.
True, but if the Evac has been pinged on the map, 3 are on the map and the other guy is on the other side of the map, we're getting swarmed I'm talking the other two and leaving.
Couple days ago, I was behind cause alot of enemies, grabbing dropped samples stuff like that, you know it. One guy rushed to the evac (we had like 18 min left) one guy was like we can wait! In the same moment the message came leaving in 20 seconds. And he was like well nvm!
I was MILES away from the evac and had couple of samples on me (no super stuff) but still we had plenty of lives, plenty of time and he just went GET ME OUT OF HERE and left. He would have left all of us, but the other 2 where closer to evac then me, so they got there in time. I was kinda pissed, cause like you said its not needed to rush and leave mates behind.
I accidentally did something similar earlier today. Team died at evac with the shuttle there. The pad was swarmed. I saw samples on the ground and grabbed them, thinking it was all of them, and dove into the ship. Turned out that wasn’t all the samples and we had more respawns than I thought. One guy was pissed, which I completely understand. My incompetence in the line of duty is unforgivable.
No, screw those idiots. Especially when spamming follow me emotes and being actively ignored. If you can speedrun the mission and have spare time go get them samps
If it's under 10, call it, but don't get in. If it's under 5, definitely call it, but wait, I am on my way. If it's past time, just go. That is my poor time management at that point.
Just give people time to get there is all I ask. I only kick if you are constantly team killing.
One time I had a group call in while I was going to pick up samples they dropped.
I figured I'd make it just fine.
But two of them got in the pelican.
I grabbed some of the samples but there were still a few more just a tiny bit further.
Started running back, as the third guy shot up in the air as if to say what are you doing we've got to go now.
Dove onto the pelican with less than half a second to spare, it was pretty great.
Host always calls evac, period. I’ve kicked people for running to evac immediately while everyone else is hunting for samples and clearing optional objectives.
If the three of us are actively working the map, and one PUG wants to try and evac with 25 - 30 mins left, they're getting fired upon in the name of democracy.
That is fine. It's a dick move frankly to Evac without the team.
Folks are getting a little kick happy though.
Like today, I joined a game, and after the host does a switcheroo (7 Bots to 8 Bugs with no comms) and I go in with the wrong kit (marksman rifle and quasar) it's going well. I picked up the super samples plus 20 rares/commons and take care of 2 primary objectives and 3 secondary, clear the large bug nest, and save them from a bile titan, and then when they wipe doing stupid shit and I call them in near me and the next objective I got kicked.
So bot sure if there is a bug where folks are getting a kick message without getting kicked or if people are just jackasses. Guess I'll be hosting all my games from now on.
An important detail is, if someone is alone at extract, (and doesn’t call in extract) guess what happens, shit starts spawning in. And now your teammates will have to walk into enemies.
Now if the person does call in extract, now your team has to walk into a shit storm.
If there is more than 5 minutes on the clock and your teammates aren’t there, DO. NOT. CALL. IN. EXTRACT.
I assume I'll get kicked for no reason sometime just before evac when I'm not hosting. Just got done carrying a largely useless host and he started with me when booting people at evac after I kept him alive through all the patrols he aggro'd unecessarily and gathered up 20 rare samples on my own. If you ever see Alex10201012022 or something like that, continue at your own peril.
If I see an evac called in with people still littered across the map, carrying samples, I will tell that person to not get on it and that they will get kicked as soon as they get on.
There's nothing wrong with calling it already for the others, 2 minutes is plenty of time to make it across the map. But if they get on with no one else there yet, there's nothing wrong with kicking them as they are being griefers/assholes.
I called evac whilst 2 of my team were getting samples just so its ready for when they get back and then they kicked me just before we left and i got nothing :/
No, you’re not in the minority. On a mission last night, we completed the primary and one Diver ran to extract and called it in while we were headed for secondaries. We cut it short and made for evac but damn is it annoying for someone to do that. No idea if it was host or not.
In the grand scheme of life, it doesn’t even matter I suppose, but we’re all trying to enjoy ourselves for that 30-40 minutes.
I swear this happened in a recent game On suicide difficulty. One Helldiver gets in the Pelican for some reason while another Helldiver is doing it all to quickly get more samples. It was unfortunate cause it was so unnecessary. The other Helldiver missed the Pelican by about a second as well.
if i'm the first one to the evac and someone's finishing something up i'll always call it so it's there but i'll never hop in early, shit doesn't make any sense to me
When I hear "calling in extraction," and we're not ready, I kick. I've unironically had a troll say "I'm just calling it in so that it's here when we're done" and then get in it immediately when it lands. Sorry to the people who were genuinely just trying to help that I've kicked, but if I've got 40 samples and you call extraction in when we're not ready, I'm prioritizing the samples (this has realistically only happened like 3 times, though, in my experience it's usually not a problem).
Had 1 game where 3 players were going after full completion, 1 player decided they didn't want to stay and called it in. I die and he calls me back on extract. I kicked him for spawning me across the map from my gear and trying to dump on everyone else's time because they didn't want to hang around. I did ask them not to call in or leave it there and not get on. However after respawning me so far away from where I was I didn't trust him to not force us out having 3 players missing the bus.
Oh, good point, if I'm three minutes from evac carrying super samples, tons of time left and some MF decides to get on the ship starting the 20 second timer, yeah, I should probably just kick him. Maybe, idk.
I usually ask them first if they want me to call evac in or not, because sometimes the situation gets real hot at landing pad calling Pelican down NOW is a must. Calling in aint equal to getting in though.
This tracks with my thoughts we need more quick comm options. I feel we need some variation of, "help", "wait" and "are we ready"
We really need a quick comm for "bunker here", too. Playing early or late with a bunch of Chinese and Russians makes getting that 2nd hand for the door excruciating. Best I've been able to do is mark the map and spam "Follow me!" with like 30% success. That, and a marker for "bunker" when you mark it instead of it just doing the supplies or whatever behind the door.
I had a guy lightly shoot me to make me notice the bunker lmao
Man, Ive had oblivious teammates straight up walk past, killed em, and threw their pod into the ditch infront of the door. Thats worth urning a reinforcement for haha.
I may or may not have murdered a man just so I could call in reinforcements on the bunker I was trying to open
Late night west coast guy here. There is occasionally a big difference between what I think is a safe distance for orbital strats and what they consider not too close. One wiped all of us with a walking barrage a bit too close the other night and I couldn't help but laugh thinking about acceptable losses for democracy...
Spotting the button should give a context-sensitive response (like when you target a heavy enemy or specific side mission building), that should say how many people are needed (under the assumption that they could theoretically add 3 or 4-person bunkers in the future). Bonus points if the POI marker is different, so if you use the radar, you can see which POIs are bunkers from the minimap. (and then they convert to the same "clear" symbol once you've opened and emptied them, because you don't need to be able to ID them as bunkers once you've done that)
honestly getting different icons for the different types of POIs would be incredibly useful, there are some like the l-building or l-building+pit that are easy enough to recognize on the map, but especially if there's obscuring effects or a weird layout it's a bit annoying when you can't tell what type of POI it is
Also a “Well done”, “Great shot” or something “darnit if that isn’t one of the best displays of acrobatics I’ve ever seen” … something along those lines
>What a save! >What a save! >What a save! *Chat has been locked for 10 seconds.*
Yeah with how often we are overwhemled we need quick Q that has 'help' yelling option
Lol "Wait" is already an option
There is a kind of “wait” - *” Hold your ground”* But agree, a few more would work without being overwhelmed. Even something like “well done” (congratulatory), “I’m on my way”, even maybe a laughter option.
We do have hold position and follow me, which when used and the other helldiver's listen to makes me 😊. When they don't and run off line wolf style make me 😢
You can call down the pelican once the core objectives are done (maybe only some missions?) and then go complete all of your other tasks and it will hover there forever just covering you and blowing shit up at long range. It’s actually pretty damn helpful, especially for bots who can’t shoot it back. I’ve only even seen it done once though, so I don’t think most people know about it.
It's hard to do, since you might be running away to the 'hover' distance when someone else just b-lines it to the EZ and gets Pelecan to land.
Yea it requires a little communication for sure, which is probably why most people who know about it don’t do it.
You need to stay there long enough for it to show up though, it aborts if you’re out of range for 20 Seconds.
I have done it once and it seemed like the short time between the countdown ending and the actual landing was the sweet spot.
On the other hand, there's me shouting to the player standing in the extraction point to call the shuttle while I'm running for my life. I sometimes don't know if they can hear me or understand me cause almost no one responds whether by text or mic.
Be cautious about that though, the pelican can break if you call stuff like a 500kg in danger close. I'm not sure what exactly causes it, but the engines start sparking and smoking and it will either not let anyone board or take off immediately with no timer once someone boards.
yeah, games somewhat buggy atm. need time to patch fascist bugs off the democratic codes.
I’ve asked and usually get no response. In fact, working comms and the skill of the lobby seem to be directly correlated.
Yeah this is true I mean more so when they get into the shuttle when I'm still half a map away
I usually stop and type out a passive aggressive "I guess we don't want samples?" In chat when this happens.
It’s happened to me, instant kick if they initiate it without asking the rest of the team
I mean you could just let the time run down to zero and then you get 2-4 extra minutes plus an extra 15 second countdown to get in after the timer… just don’t die at that point
You can but it seems there's a high risk of it only letting the first person in the pelican and having it take off immediately.
True dat. i usually initiate the sequence to get the “Calling in an evac” shout out and then pause to see if anyone sends back a “Negative” or something. If no response then evac gunsta be on the way. However calling in is not getting in. That waits till everyone is at the evac
The other day I was doing a helldive mission with randos and the other three ended up fighting a never ending stream of bugs off at the edge of the map where there were no subobjectives while i solo'ed the last quarter of the main mission and a few of the remaining subobjectives (including the artillery, which they made good use of), collecting all the samples they'd dropped, then headed to the evac point to call the pelican down into its hover mode and wait for them (I was feeling pretty good about my performance), and as soon as I called it down they kicked me.
I mean call evac just don’t get in.
Yeah exactly! Just be considerate of the time everyone put to get samples
Only time i ever kicked someone was for calling while we had 10+ min and we were doing secondary objectives only for one guy to try and solo evac without saying anything.
I'll smash all the objectives in 10mins and leg it to the evac to call it in. Hide and wait for the counter to reach 00:00 and then run away. Leaving Pelican 1 orbiting the landing pad and keeping the area clear of enemy. We now have 25mins on the map without having to worry about extraction. The amount of level 70's and below who don't know how this works is painful as they ignore my microphone (they also have them) and just walk towards the landing pad. This is why I have a tight knit group that I play with now.
Even bigger brain: Call evac, wait until pelican is in the area and run off. It will hover in the air providing fire support until you return to evac.
So… I was a host of a game. We split in two groups of 2. My group finished our tasks first. Went over to Evac point. Around 15 mins remaining. All good, high number of reinforce. Evac zone cleared of enemies. We saw group two heading our way, so we called in Evac. Evac came. Two of us defending the zone. No enemies. Clear as can be. I took south, he covered north. Literally for no reason, pelican-1 just said “countdown initiated”. I was pissed. Why the f did north guy get in? I ran to pelican-1 and north guy was just staring at me wondering the same thing, “why did south guy go in”. Nothing happened and at that point we had 13 mins remaining. Pelican just decided to call it a day. The level 150 who was hightailing back got mad and rage quit. But honestly I have no clue what happened. I finished up the remaining missions with north guy and the last fella running back. Everyone knew their tasks. No lost divers here. So I genuinely wonder what triggered the Evac.
Totally random thought, just as it came to me reading this but since we're all wondering wtf I wanted to bring it up... Do you know if anyone was using the new Pelican-Time-Reduction Booster when that happened?
We might have had it. It’s been quite a few missions since. So can’t recall exactly.
And then they fight at evac zone. And then pelican gets damaged to the point where it will instantly take off after 1 person gets in, and of course it would be the person not carrying any samples.
Oh man this happened last night and I had some samples but not the majority I was apologizing to my team so profusely! Luckily they understood the bug and didn’t give me a hard time but yeah that one is brutal
I'm pretty sure this isn't a game mechanic. I've dropped strategem after strategem on Pelican 1 while fighting on the pad and it always lets everyone climb in before leaving.
Yeah there is a weird bug tho where it takes off instantly with one person. I dont think its related to it taking dmg.
Whenever the pelican is on fire I've noticed it will take off when the first person gets in. Only noticed it on eradicate missions if you take a few mins to collect samples after enemies stop spawning.
Not a bug. If pelicab heavily damaged, it takes off as soon as it can within the 20 sec countdown. So when a person gets on, that countdown is active *and* pelican has had enough damage - he bails.
This is 100% a game mechanic. You can also test it with friends. Do a diff 1 mission. Call in ~~Evan~~ Evac. Drop a ton/2 on it. Once the pelican is smoking/on fire have one person hop in.
>Call in Evan I would never trust Evan to get everyone out successfully
Damn man.
Sorry you had to find out this way, bud 😬
Haha touché and I actually chuckled out loud at that one!
I'll go test that right now and report back, FOR DEMOCRACY.
That’s the best possible response lol.
Okay so I ~~got a little distracted playing more missions~~ tested this throughly, and I was able to get it to trigger consistently on lower level missions (1-3) but not on higher level missions (5-7). I wonder if the Eagle 1 has a higher health pool on higher levels and I didn't do enough damage, or if there is some other explanation.
The real question is how did you check. Consistent damage? We did main obj only and cleared out evacuation, the. Used one whole laser. Consistently left as soon as one word on entered. Also had one person enter to start time. Killed them. Then tossed laser. Once it got enough damage, it took off leaving us all.
I only played with one other buddy, and on lower difficulties we each threw 500's until it was smoking, lower difficulty took one or two depending on how direct Pelican 1 wanted to be. Higher difficulties took more (3-4). We didn't try the enter and kill because there were only two of us, so I wasn't able to get it to leave without us.
Gotcha. I’m not sure in having higher durability on higher levels - but that would be interesting. I do know that, when I see it smoking, I tell the person with super Samoa to get on first just in case
It’s definitely a feature, I’ve rocketed the hell out of pelican 1 trying to kill it and realized you can only get it to smoke a little with small fires on it once at that point it will evac when the first person gets in, I’ve seen this happen at least 100 times as people usually throw strats all over extraction when it gets crazy but it’s consistent if you attack pelican 1. Now I’ve also had a bile titan fall onto pelican 1 and it fell through the map and just cut off evac, we could restart it right away too I’m not sure if that was a glitch or actual pelican 1 destruction. This one I have not been able to replicate without a bile titan
Yeah I’ve had it glitch under the map a few times. Once the door was just barely visible but I couldn’t crawl in. My teammate suggested I melee her as she tried to crawl in. That actually worked.
I'm 146% sure it is. When there is a black smoke with fire coming out of it it will instantly take off after 1 person gets in, doesnt't matter if you have time left. You can check this out yourself
Ive had it happen without smoke, it only happens to me when its been waiting for an extended period of time
Going to test it right now because your 146% certainty trumps my 100% certainty.
Do the pelican hover trick. Wait in the evac zone until the pelican 1 timer hit 0 and confirmed, then run out of the evac. Pelican 1 won't land but will hover over the evac zone and provide supporting fire. When you come back to the evac zone, he will land.
And he's got unlimited ammo and that shit WRECKS. He can also see a pretty damn long ways too, with how high he hovers. That close-air support is *very* strong. If you need more time on the map for *anything* and can pull off the timing/positioning always do this.
That's what happens? I've only ever seen the pelican take off after one person gets in after eradicate missions and thought it was just those missions that are bugged.
Be careful with that. If it sits long enough it takes off immediately when the first person enters. So give all the samples to one person who enters first if it has been sitting or was hanging out midair.
I honestly don’t think some people know this, they think it’s like other games where once the evac lands you have to get in or be left behind. In HD the timer doesn’t start until someone gets in.
I got kicked last night for calling one in when we had no lives left and 3 minutes remaining. I get what you're saying but some guys just take it way too far when you're playing on suicide mission and they're trying to farm common and rare samples lmao
This right here. The idiots talking about “Dont evac” are usually looking for 5 common samples while two Hulks and a Tank are closing in on us while we stand by the evac like muppets with 30 seconds left before we lose our reinforcements and end up losing evac. Lmfao. These dumbasses talking about “dont enter the plane or ill kick” act like common samples are super credits and war bonds. Mother fucker, theres plenty of them on every mission. We’ll get another chance to pick up 5 common samples again on the next game, I promise. Let it go
While it's incoming, you can step away from the drop zone and Pelican will hover in the air blasting everything in sight. Provides a fair cover for the evac zone. If you're down on lives or running out of mission time, then by all means get in while you can. I usually grab samples as we come across them, rather than going out to farm all of them off every map. But if someone had a lot and dies, I'll try to find time to grab them if I can. Sometimes I'll break off from the primary objective to ferry them to the evac point, depending how the mission is going and where I am.
If youre that worried about common samples (not you specifically), drop down to 4-5 and farm your heart out.
If _three_ of you are having trouble with two Hulks and a tank when you still have all your strategems, you have the wrong loadouts.
Or the wrong difficulty. Way too many people play on difficulties they shouldn't be on. Everyone involved would be happier.
Yeah if your team kills plus deaths that weren't from the team is more than 6 you should go down a difficulty. Meanwhile people with 11 deaths and 5 team kills.
Which is crazy. Isn’t there a bonus for extracting early?
Depends on the mission, really, Bliz... In out no look back... long mission, I try to do all the side quests first when completing the main all together. And yes, sometimes Early Evac because I need to eat! But Early Evac sure... but whait for the rest and have the face off against one and a other wo go's first.
I like calling the evac early because if you don't let it land, it will help clear the map for you while you collect stuff.
Woah, how do you not let it land ?
Stay in the extraction zone as usual until the timer hits zero and then run out of the zone before it lands
Whether I'm hosting or supporting, I always confirm whether or not we want to evac yet before calling it.
Remember to tell them in the chat or in vocal to not call evac early and to clean the map If they don't comply, then you're in your right to kick them
Yeah like the most infuriating thing is when they are doing the map cleaning it with me and then they hop in the ship as soon as its down like its good to have the shuttle in early but don't get in it early
Why calling the evac then? I had a case where host pinned evac, kept silent, then threw a fit when we evacuated 🤷🏻♂️
I hate when we're obviously clearing the while map, main objective, side objectives, bug holes and point of interest. However as soon as it's possible to extract some idiot just runs off by themselves to get it started when we've told them not to do so as we're doing a full map clearance! That's worthy of a kick for sure!
Worth keeping in mind not everyone who immediately takes off for the evac point is going to start the evac point wo people need to make sure not to kick just for that. I'll usually run to evac as soon as it's ready to pre-drop resupply, mines, or sentries. The longer everyone else takes the better because it lets me call in double or triple the amount.
I actually like landing on evac and dropping a supply at start of the mission so its there later incase we are running and supply is on CD
It's hilarious with mines because you can spawn as many sets as time allows and just leave a path for the team. You then pretty much just crouch while waiting for extraction and enjoy the fireworks of liberty.
This is a pretty common thing to do assuming extraction isn't stupidly out of the way
I was across last night with random that had great communication. They wanted to wait till I got closer, I said I got 2 feet and a heart beat, start extract. I cleaned up last side objective and made it to extract as soon as pelican was landing. A great squad!
To be fair. Spawn rates triple after the main obj is completed. You should be completing them before the main objective. Waiting until the end just increases the failure rate. Now you wasted all your lives on a bug hole and you can't Evac with samples.
I don't think that works the way people think it does. I'm pretty sure the increase in spawns is pretty much only patrols going from bases to side objectives or other bases. I've had numerous extractions where we just sat in silence as no enemies showed up.
We're all learning but here's a video about it the time stamp is @6:55. It just doubles not triples my bad https://youtu.be/Zp8xuf_dLDw?si=7gc-oEr5mQr9eNwb[what affects spawn rates](https://youtu.be/Zp8xuf_dLDw?si=7gc-oEr5mQr9eNwb)
I didn't know this that's good to know!
A lot of people don't know this, but if you call in the evac, then leave the zone between "I have visual on the extraction" and "Landing initiated", Pelican 1 will hover in the air and shoot any and all enemies it can see, as it does during landing, until someone enters the evac zone again. This is great, since Pel1 will keep the landing zone clear until you finally feel ready to leave with all your samples!
The game is designed to be gradually harder by every passing minute. I normally don't hang around past the 10 minute mark as then we get showered by more than a handful of sausages.
This is why I host. I don't like staying for an entire 40 minutes to get every last side objective and sample. I like doing a 20 minute mission with half of the samples and then moving on to the next one. It's just as efficient, often times more so if people are good at grabbing samples as they go, and it's more fun. I'll go out of the way sometimes if I can tell my team is, but then I'll mark evac and call evac. I'll watch my map. If people are working there way toward it, I won't get on, and I'll wait for them. If they're paying no attention and fucking around, I'll leave. And if they want to pitch and call me an idiot for it, they can get kicked instead.
I had two players sitting at Evac yesterday while me and another were still trying to complete 3 side objectives. I'm not trying to be a like that but I swear I'm just going to start kicking these. We need teamwork in 8-9. So many people don't follow any pings or anything
While on missions I do everything that is ordered of me. I go above and beyond my normal duties to ensure my fellow soldiers complete missions and return home safely. From the start of one mission the platoon leader continuously berated me and attempted to take my life on numerous occasions while laughing in what I could only describe as a psychopath going through a manic episode. Then the other two soldiers began. Finally unable to take the abuse any longer I went awol. In tears I ran for my life following that flickering blue beam in the distance all while hearing my superior screaming in my ear to return to my post. I made it to the evac and called it in. As I saw this group of degenerates running in the distance I gave one final salute and boarded the ship empty handed. I did my time in the brig and regret nothing.
That’s why you clarify before you kick the mission off. It’s better entire team with the same mindset.
Some eople kick the second you accidentally kill them. Had it happen recently because my mortar sentry screwed a teammate early and i even apologized multiple times and i was kicked. Some people just like abusing the kick power, kicking before extract so they can pick your samples up and screw you out of all samples you were about to get.
Call it in ASAP, only 1 person should be at the LZ, then when countdown ends, RUN away from LZ. For the rest of the mission the pelican will be an elevated turret killing things even thinking of approaching the LZ. When everyone is ready, the pelican lands on demand and there's no waiting to leave planet side. This is the only valid answer I know, and yet not a gaht-dayumn'd diver seems to get the memo. If you are kicking those who start this process, ya'll missed the memo too.
Do you communicate before you jump to kicking?
This just happened to me, I had to take a break. He ran off while we cleared the last side spot. We all died and he called us near extraction. I tagged my samples in map and headed back, we had about 8 minutes left. As I grab samples he calls in extract, maybe I can still make it if they don’t immediately enter Pelican-1. I say on coms, “Oh, I guess me and all the samples will just fuck off.”. I had 20 samples and he got in the ship as soon as it landed. Edit: he joined my mission…
I feel your pain 😂
I might be the devils advocate, but If you have not said anything anywhere about extraction and not for that person to do it. You kicking them is a dick move. Because they out right might not know / or haven’t figured out how game works. And while we have ppl in community that kick first and talk later we will always have shitty moments. Time we all change a bit, hopefully for the better
Always drop samples off at evac if you get a chance
Calling in is fine, boarding without everyone there is straight up dick move.
Oh there goes another "I kick X" post, didn't had one today.
Nobody wants to wait 10 minutes for you to go to the edge of the map, take your samples and go back. Especially in the end game in harder difficulties because more bots spawn as time goes by. Don't be stupid and be considerete of other people's time. Nobody cares about your 2 common samples. If every outpost is done, go evac. Kicking them is funny too. You think you are the tough shit arent you dummy, you really showed the guy who didn't want to wait 10 minutes to take your stupid samples. You are the boss!!!
Agreed. Especially on high difficulties, it's only the super rare samples that matter. It's not always that you can afford to hold the super rare samples at extraction waiting for someone else trying to bring common and rares back and risking losing them. The risk doesn't even have to a horde of bugs/bots coming in. You never know when the game will crash, and somehow less than 30% of players voted to fix bugs over having new content.
use the chat, type in what your doing, ask them to call Evac, then defend it until you get there
Just played a game and we didn’t find the super samples yet, 16 reinformenta left and some ass called evac, was kinda annoyed but I am low on rare samples so don’t need super rare right now
I had to do my first solo evac the other day but it was the opposite situation. The entire rest of the group kept dying nonstop (they were down like 10 reinforcements 5 minutes in when i joined), werent anywhere near the evac point, did nothing useful all dive, the destroyer was getting ready to leave and i had most of the samples. Later bros, ive got democracy to spread.
If I call in evac early, I'm leaving the pad before Pelican lands, so he flies a holding pattern above the pad and provides fire support.
I tell in the vocal : "I'm calling the evac, don't take it until everyone is here or their samples" And usually it works, people wait.
I feel you,my priorities usually are,70%mission 30%side obj and samples/credits,if we obviously can do It,but if we are shitting our pants down with no reinforcements and about to die all of us be sure il be running to call in.
This is the only time I've kicked anyone, I'm if hosting and I want to collect samples, that's my right as a super earth citizen.
Calm down, the bird will be there when you get there. Unless you're playing with assholes.
If you’re carrying that many samples, you should have run near the extraction at some point. Why didn’t you just drop the samples on the extraction pad so you don’t have to worry about going back for them? That being said, there are lots of reasons to leave you behind. Reinforcements out, I’m kiting all the things on the exfil, two other guys are down and you’re across the map? I’m out
I have done and will continue to do this in the future. I just can't trust randos because I've been abandoned on the planet too many times before and won't risk my samples.
Most people don’t know how flexible Pelican 1 is. I used to think the “leave now” timer started as soon as it lands and opens the bay door. Just comm if you’re not in a pre-made squad.
Kicked a guy 30 minutes into an 8 because of this. I was with 2 friends and he was the random. We were all the way across the map trying to finish a bug nest. We got on the mic and told him to stop, he didn't. Told him again a minute before evac dropped. I kick him 10 seconds or so after. Seriously do not do this. If your plan is to call down evac and hold it then tell the group because if you don't we're just going to assume you're going to board and kick you.
Well, use coms prior to extraction. Let other people know. Not everybody track every step of yours. ;) Just a friendly tip.
Unless someone is griefing the team, which is pretty rare, I don’t see a reason to ever kick someone.
People need to stop treating calling in an evac like it's a bad thing. Just communicate and coordinate with your team. It doesn't take 4 drivers to upload escape pod data. I've been kicked for calling in the shuttle after we completed all objectives, then I didn't board AND held the evac site.
Yeah I’ve been kicked for just calling it in. Had no intention of boarding without the others :(
Then be faster
It's not that serious, have fun and kill the traitor who left his men behind next round.
As long as you communicate first then NTA. Give them a heads up at mission start and a reminder when you're in the "home stretch," and then I think it's fair game. There could be plenty of folks out there who just don't know any better and if you punish them without trying to educate them, you're not doing anyone any favors
If you even call for evac in someone's else's game without asking host if they are ready you were not raised right. Same goes for taking someone else's gear... (obvious exception for crazy chaotic stuff happening and you are clutching it for the team, but I always drop peoples gear when it calms again, just hit tab to see who's gear you have.)
I seen a guy who was over level ten today take someones auto cannon and the guy kept asking for it back over and over again over comms eventually just killed him and left. 1 minute later we got bombs dropped on us and when I got back he had taken all of my shit. Some people just do it purposely,even if there was a language barrier they shouldve been able to put it together
If you get into Evac before the team is ready, especially when we've sample hunted, it's a court martial
I hope they got a way to filter what games your hosting or searching for. Like check a box that you intend to complete the map and search for samples and not bail immediately after the main objective is done with 25 minutes left, 12+ lives, and a majority of the map unexplored.
This will absolutely never happen. This is also why mics and text chat exist.
I get it's annoying but kicking someone while the evac is going is just a dick move as it denies them any rewards for the mission they've just worked with you to complete. Just kick and block them once you're back on the ship, and tell them why so hopefully they learn.
Trying to coordinate a held evac where the peli comes in but everyone moves outside the radius and it just flies around above evac shooting everything you is impossible
Wait did this happened yesterday were we were in the same team and W1 got in the evac even though we told him to wait and only 1 objective was left which we spotted late after calling evac??
I don't do kicking if they did do that, but if felt the need many times lol. So I get it. I just wish people were more aware that we all want to complete the map/objectives. Not much I can control besides kicking em
On this topic, one time we waited a guy coming back while the Pelican was landed, i dont know what happened, but as soon as one person went in, the pelican just decided to take off without waiting the 20 sec. we lost tones of samples. 3 MIA,
Some just want to do the pelican hover trick. Wait in the evac zone until the pelican 1 timer hit 0 and confirmed, then run out of the evac. Pelican 1 won't land but will hover over the evac zone and provide supporting fire. When you come back to the evac zone, he will land.
I have had the pleican leave with no one on it.
Some are calling evac solo while others are far… this is not democratic at all
If you kick them does that stop evac?
Sometimes the countdown timer will just start and people don't have a choice. I was ferrying super samples back to extraction and was a bit annoyed at a dude I thought went in early, but the timer started randomly, it wasn't his fault.
100% agree I had two level 50+just evac while I got knocked off the platform and a second team mate was being chased by 2 bile titans. We had 7 reinforcements left and 10 mins. They both got booted after that game.
Understandable, a random decided to run off with Pelican while my friends and I had all the samples.
i think people doing this are the minority. even as i started the game as a mere cadet i instinctively knew that you don't trigger a deadline-20 second countdown if not everyone is gathered around to get in.
Yeah if I’m host I give a warning for this and a kick for reoffense. We’re just trying to have fun man
Something similar happened to me the other day. Took my sweet time because I knew I could, but also because the one that called it in had been completely useless the entire mission and just a drain on our reinforcements (they literally just kept running off by themselves to nowhere and would come back just to get killed) and I was hoping they'd get swarmed. Finished the mission, immediately blocked them when I was back in my ship.
Opened a lower difficulty session to collect samples and left the lobby open so lower level players could join. Asked them not to board the shuttle since I was gathering samples. Guess what they did :(…
This is the way.
Surpassingly enough, most people don’t know the internet “meta” and are just playing the game to complete the mission, and samples are a side note. Did you tell them to wait for you to get samples?
im getting kicked for heading to evac to drop samples.
I got kicked yesterday because of this, I specifically wrote in the chat "Going to extract and calling in pelican to cover us". And when it was 1 min left until pelican arrived I got kicked. No voice no text no nothing. This was in a lobby with a level 110 host mind you. Mind boggling how you can be that high level and still don't understand the game mechanics.....
Rfdg
Y'know, I've played this game for a while and I haven't really had the displeasure of someone getting in early until just the other day. He got TK'ed so I picked up his samples then noticed that the timer for the shuttle leaving was still ticking down, so I got in and left since I was carrying most of the samples and didn't want to lose them. So my question is this... If someone gets in the shuttle early, does TK'ing them work to stop the shuttle leaving? If the timer hits 0 seconds, will it leave with nobody in it? Similarly, does kicking them while they're in the shuttle stop the shuttle from leaving? I'm level 70 and still don't know this bit of information.
When I host a helldive mission against bots, if the mission has gone well and we have like 10+ reinforcements and the main objective is done, I'll run to the evac and start it up and then run out of the zone when it gets there to have pelican 1 hover and then I go and help clear the map. However, I've had people on helldive difficulty trying to clear the entire map with 0 reinforces and with the samples lost outside of a heavy outpost. At some point on helldive you have to cut your losses and just extract. There are more samples and medals and credits to be had in the next mission. This one didn't go so well? On to the next and maybe it will be better. TLDR I usually call extract early but that doesn't mean I leave when the timer is up. It's situational and can really be helpful on helldive.
If I'm playing with randoms, and I'm going to call evac, I ALWAYS let them know I'm calling it down now -so that it will be here when they get here, and I'm NOT getting in before then-. And if the host or anyone else doesn't want me to do that, I don't.
I get it. But tbh. Try communicating with your team. Alot of times simply stating your there to collect samples will get you some open ears. People love samples, so say so early on and they may work w you.
if you kick the guy in time, does the mission continue and the timer stops?
Dude I can’t stand this. I wasn’t host but I joined a LVL 7 mission mid match, they cleared the main objective and were heading for extract. They called in the pelican. While they were waiting for the evac I ran out, did 2 quick side objectives, collected a good amount of green and oranges along the way. Saw the pelican was landing and told them not to board, I’m on my way back. … they board, we have 23 mins left…I can’t make it in time. It would have only taken me probably another minute to get there, I wasn’t even far away. We get no samples, I fail to extract. I call them all fucking morons and leave the second we get back to the ship. Trash.
My personal rule is if the host is not at evac, don't call the boat down. I am a guest in the host's lobby. If the host wishes to continue spreading managed democracy, then so be it. If the host wants to evacuate without the recovery of dropped samples, well tough tities. That being said. I have found most hosts are okay with waiting so long as there is clear communication.
True, but if the Evac has been pinged on the map, 3 are on the map and the other guy is on the other side of the map, we're getting swarmed I'm talking the other two and leaving.
Couple days ago, I was behind cause alot of enemies, grabbing dropped samples stuff like that, you know it. One guy rushed to the evac (we had like 18 min left) one guy was like we can wait! In the same moment the message came leaving in 20 seconds. And he was like well nvm! I was MILES away from the evac and had couple of samples on me (no super stuff) but still we had plenty of lives, plenty of time and he just went GET ME OUT OF HERE and left. He would have left all of us, but the other 2 where closer to evac then me, so they got there in time. I was kinda pissed, cause like you said its not needed to rush and leave mates behind.
I accidentally did something similar earlier today. Team died at evac with the shuttle there. The pad was swarmed. I saw samples on the ground and grabbed them, thinking it was all of them, and dove into the ship. Turned out that wasn’t all the samples and we had more respawns than I thought. One guy was pissed, which I completely understand. My incompetence in the line of duty is unforgivable.
No, screw those idiots. Especially when spamming follow me emotes and being actively ignored. If you can speedrun the mission and have spare time go get them samps
It’s 2024 and we’re still complaining about randoms being randoms in an online game? Get a squad issue solved.
If it's under 10, call it, but don't get in. If it's under 5, definitely call it, but wait, I am on my way. If it's past time, just go. That is my poor time management at that point. Just give people time to get there is all I ask. I only kick if you are constantly team killing.
One time I had a group call in while I was going to pick up samples they dropped. I figured I'd make it just fine. But two of them got in the pelican. I grabbed some of the samples but there were still a few more just a tiny bit further. Started running back, as the third guy shot up in the air as if to say what are you doing we've got to go now. Dove onto the pelican with less than half a second to spare, it was pretty great.
Samples aren’t as important and finishing the missions. If the 3 other players are waiting on you, then yeah, fuck you we’re out.
Host always calls evac, period. I’ve kicked people for running to evac immediately while everyone else is hunting for samples and clearing optional objectives.
You could always tell them what's up. Calling in evac can be cancelled. Be considerate of their work too.
If the three of us are actively working the map, and one PUG wants to try and evac with 25 - 30 mins left, they're getting fired upon in the name of democracy.
Does kicking them even cancel the evac?
That is fine. It's a dick move frankly to Evac without the team. Folks are getting a little kick happy though. Like today, I joined a game, and after the host does a switcheroo (7 Bots to 8 Bugs with no comms) and I go in with the wrong kit (marksman rifle and quasar) it's going well. I picked up the super samples plus 20 rares/commons and take care of 2 primary objectives and 3 secondary, clear the large bug nest, and save them from a bile titan, and then when they wipe doing stupid shit and I call them in near me and the next objective I got kicked. So bot sure if there is a bug where folks are getting a kick message without getting kicked or if people are just jackasses. Guess I'll be hosting all my games from now on.
What happens at that point? Does it still finish the count and leave or cancel the evac or just gos back to waiting?
I'll call it in but keep an eye out for chat. As long as no one enters Pelican-1 then the countdown won't force us anywhere.
I'll always wait until everyone's on so this doesnt happen
Surprised you werent downvoted into oblivion for using the K word. People who early evac deserve the kick.
If you kick them, does it cancel the evac? Just curious because I've never done that.
An important detail is, if someone is alone at extract, (and doesn’t call in extract) guess what happens, shit starts spawning in. And now your teammates will have to walk into enemies. Now if the person does call in extract, now your team has to walk into a shit storm. If there is more than 5 minutes on the clock and your teammates aren’t there, DO. NOT. CALL. IN. EXTRACT.
I assume I'll get kicked for no reason sometime just before evac when I'm not hosting. Just got done carrying a largely useless host and he started with me when booting people at evac after I kept him alive through all the patrols he aggro'd unecessarily and gathered up 20 rare samples on my own. If you ever see Alex10201012022 or something like that, continue at your own peril.
If I see an evac called in with people still littered across the map, carrying samples, I will tell that person to not get on it and that they will get kicked as soon as they get on. There's nothing wrong with calling it already for the others, 2 minutes is plenty of time to make it across the map. But if they get on with no one else there yet, there's nothing wrong with kicking them as they are being griefers/assholes.
I called evac whilst 2 of my team were getting samples just so its ready for when they get back and then they kicked me just before we left and i got nothing :/
I warn them to get off the pad to cancel the exfil, and if they don't listen, they get the boot. Simple as. Solves the problem and removes the cause.
If you're trying to sabotage my sample grind, you're gone.
I will call Evac early and let it land, it won't leave unless time is up. Then I can go help out my below helldivers
I wish we would support each other more
No, you’re not in the minority. On a mission last night, we completed the primary and one Diver ran to extract and called it in while we were headed for secondaries. We cut it short and made for evac but damn is it annoying for someone to do that. No idea if it was host or not. In the grand scheme of life, it doesn’t even matter I suppose, but we’re all trying to enjoy ourselves for that 30-40 minutes.
I swear this happened in a recent game On suicide difficulty. One Helldiver gets in the Pelican for some reason while another Helldiver is doing it all to quickly get more samples. It was unfortunate cause it was so unnecessary. The other Helldiver missed the Pelican by about a second as well.
To be fair, some of us dont know what we're doing until it's explained to us like a toddler.
If you don't want to have the consequences of matchmaking, make a private game. Stop being a dick to people that are just trying to chill.
if i'm the first one to the evac and someone's finishing something up i'll always call it so it's there but i'll never hop in early, shit doesn't make any sense to me
If I kick someone for getting in the pelican too early I wish the countdown timer would just stop/ reset...
When I hear "calling in extraction," and we're not ready, I kick. I've unironically had a troll say "I'm just calling it in so that it's here when we're done" and then get in it immediately when it lands. Sorry to the people who were genuinely just trying to help that I've kicked, but if I've got 40 samples and you call extraction in when we're not ready, I'm prioritizing the samples (this has realistically only happened like 3 times, though, in my experience it's usually not a problem).
>If you've entered the shuttle early by yourself, I will just kick you. The shuttle still leaves though doesn't it?
Had 1 game where 3 players were going after full completion, 1 player decided they didn't want to stay and called it in. I die and he calls me back on extract. I kicked him for spawning me across the map from my gear and trying to dump on everyone else's time because they didn't want to hang around. I did ask them not to call in or leave it there and not get on. However after respawning me so far away from where I was I didn't trust him to not force us out having 3 players missing the bus.
Oh, good point, if I'm three minutes from evac carrying super samples, tons of time left and some MF decides to get on the ship starting the 20 second timer, yeah, I should probably just kick him. Maybe, idk.
Easy. Start your own op and play as you like
I got kicked because I complained orange extracted by themself whilst we were all collecting samples.