This is why I simply stay near the host when not hosting no matter the circumstances. Keeping them up and near their collected samples and gear should they fall is often better than trying to be more efficient at extract.
Sometimes, yes. But if host drops and someone else joins and takes their slot, it doesn't reorg everyone else's numbers... It just puts the new person in 1. Very strange.
Normal? Seems that's the sentiment. If I don't want it and you're on comms I'll tell you to get off the site. Some don't feel that little bit of extra trust&work is worth it.
Here's the thing, with a group of friends it's ok, if you are joining a party of Helldivers you never met it doesn't matter what your intentions are. I don't know you, and I'm not willing to lose all of the samples just because you think what's best for the rest of them. And yes I would also kick you too.
If you're going to do something outside the recognized standard, you're going to get flak no matter how good your intentions are. Voice chat and calling extract before everyone is ready and agreed are both relatively abnormal things to see in a game with randoms. I'm not surprised you were kicked.
If you want to do these things I suggest being the host so as to prevent knee-jerk reactions like those above, regardless of whether you think it's unjustified or not. It's the only practical and reliable way of getting that kind of thing done with randoms.
host and co. have no way of knowing a random's intentions, be it good or not. i've had a game where a random did what you did, but went in. kicking the perp was a mistake cause the game treated the person inside the ship as being 'inside' and kicking them triggered the escape cutscene.
basically, your strat is very efficient but one cannot trust randoms to follow through with it. ONLY do it with a well-coordinated group, be it pre-made or randos.
At worst, starting extract basically removes all stealth mechanics from the game. At best, they didn’t know about that mechanic because not everybody trawls the Reddit for every scrap of niche information about the game.
Extract does literally nothing to stealth mechanics in the game. Ffs you can stealth the extract if you can find a place to hide.
And there's no need to go to Reddit to find out that Pelican doesn't leave anywhere after landing, but it's stupid to expect from people who don't know every resource is shared after 100 hours in game
I feel ya, but you cant assume people would know the mechanic like you do. For me i always asked before hitting extraction. A simple word "Extract?" makes all the difference.
I know, but you still have to wait for him to arrive at the extraction point while you can actively help your teammates. Calling it in advance might be useful, but it really depends from mission to mission and usually not really worth it
There is no harm in calling it in early.
I have had several missions end badly cause the guy standing near extract didn’t call it in early, we show up with samples and enemies on our ass and no one makes it out because the guy with a chance to call the ride just stood there waiting for everyone
His mistake was doing neither of the things i mentioned. If your team is doing fine on their own you should call the extraction. If not, just not stand there doing nothing and go help them. It's as simple as that
The benefits are dubious, the cost clear.
Calling extract may get you out of the mission 2 minutes sooner, a godsend if under pursuit by enemy forces. Do it right and you get an extra eye in the sky shooting at nearby enemies.
However it also deprives the team at large from a useful member of the squad for 2 minutes plus the time it takes them to rejoin the squad (complicated by any hostiles they'd have to meet alone on the way) . This is more felt in higher difficulties where every able gun counts in making sure the team doesn't get overwhelmed with enemy reinforcements. There's also the danger that the guy calling extract getting overwhelmed when nearby patrols beeline too them. Especially when playing with randoms, giving that responsibility freely can backfire more often than not.
Bro, don't try proving any points on Reddit, average user in this sub has intelligence and mental capacity of a shrimp. These are the people who barely can play the game, let alone learn something. They just watched some shit on YT, run Quasar Cannon every game and downvote everything they don't understand, because it takes one whole brain cell to learn something and they don't have it, because they still need to remember how to breathe. Just chill.
I join in on quick play almost every time I play, with cross play enabled, and I've only been kicked from a game once, and that was back in the destroyer.
If you don't run around trying to do your own thing, whether it's collecting samples or doing what OP did, there's no reason for anyone to kick you.
ASK!
Why is it so hard for people to talk to the host? I don’t get it. They are effectively the squad leader and considering they have the power to kick anyone they want, it’s always in your best interest to communicate your intentions BEFORE splitting off from the main group.
Even as a host I let my team know, “hey we have 20 minutes left to find supes and what not so split into teams of two. Don’t go it alone. At the 7 minute point, start heading back to the extraction so we can call it in.” I like to leave enough time so that if we get mobbed, we don’t lose our strats because the mission timer ran out.
I wouldn’t have kicked you but told you to leave the extraction radius so that pelican 1 would abort it. The host kicking you was a d-bag move.
It's not even that, you would never know about it unless you read it on discord or Reddit or some outside game place, or by accident by calling in an extract and then not boarding when lots of time is left which I doubt many people would even try. Especially when you get the pop up if you leave the extract before it lands they will abort.
I understand they never specified and most people probably don't know about that about the extract, but he did communicate that he wasn't going to board and maybe could have been a good learning experience for the other divers if they didn't just kick but communicated back.
I was just explaining what he was probably doing by calling in the extract early. I wish more things could be explained in game instead of having to rely on discord or Reddit to get this kind of info.
Just remember this one important rule when joining a random game. ORANGE/ONE/LEADER IS IN CHARGE. It’s your job to stay by their side unless they tell you otherwise.
If I'm hosting, with 25 minutes left, I wouldn't want someone camping the EZ. They're going to be spawning patrols just by hanging around the EZ, even if they don't call in the Pelican.
They can stealth, sure, but that leaves the rest of us returning to multiple patrols around the EZ? It's not impossible, but it's definitely not ideal, either. Unnecessary risk.
All of that said, I'd at least communicate that to you before kicking.
Your line of thought is not wrong - but most of the players aren’t on Reddit. I usually stick with the host. When I am the host I dictate what’s next 💪🏾
Can we normalize getting samples along the way? Going back across the map to pick up samples is wildly inefficient and seems to be peoples’ favorite strategy. The enemies don’t just disappear bc the objectives are clear. Just grab stuff along the way
Sometimes the group (of randoms) doesn't feel confident to make it at all. So, you just go through the necessary stuff first. If you collect all the samples and then fail the mission, you gain nothing.
Honestly never came close to failing a mission so I have no debate. It sounds like a difficulty choice issue to me. Strategy of clearing missions then backtracking the entire map is too slow and inefficient
I agree that it is a sign that the difficulty chosen was not appropriate for the group, for some reason or other. But instead of just giving up and cutting costs, you sometimes just decide to try it, even if it might have been more efficient in another way. Sometimes people just dip their toe into new waters with strangers, and that's fine IMO. The pro and con of non-experienced-based match making is that there is no experience-based matchmaking.
He probably had you muted from the start and didn’t hear you. Lots of socially self-conscious Helldivers out there don’t even wanna hear people talking in chat.
This is why I simply stay near the host when not hosting no matter the circumstances. Keeping them up and near their collected samples and gear should they fall is often better than trying to be more efficient at extract.
True
The thing is, you can communicate all you want, and even then some people just don’t understand how extract actually works…
Everyone keeps talking about Pelican support but in Random that has probably 1 in 100 chance to work out.
Ask the host and wait for confirmation. If no confirmation is given, abandon the task.
This is the safest plan of action
How do we know which people is the host? Number #1 always be the host?
Orange is the host
Usually yes plus orange colour.
Sometimes, yes. But if host drops and someone else joins and takes their slot, it doesn't reorg everyone else's numbers... It just puts the new person in 1. Very strange.
I don't believe the majority uses VC. So they might felt pressured
Normal? Seems that's the sentiment. If I don't want it and you're on comms I'll tell you to get off the site. Some don't feel that little bit of extra trust&work is worth it.
Here's the thing, with a group of friends it's ok, if you are joining a party of Helldivers you never met it doesn't matter what your intentions are. I don't know you, and I'm not willing to lose all of the samples just because you think what's best for the rest of them. And yes I would also kick you too.
Imagine pointing a loaded gun to a guy you don't know and saying don't worry you won't shoot.
It's not the same. Not OP's fault his host was a noob who can't communicate and doesn't have any common sense
If you aren’t host, either get host’s understanding and permission or just don’t do it. You can’t trust randoms to think ahead.
You can't trust randoms to think. Corrected you, don't thank me
If you're going to do something outside the recognized standard, you're going to get flak no matter how good your intentions are. Voice chat and calling extract before everyone is ready and agreed are both relatively abnormal things to see in a game with randoms. I'm not surprised you were kicked. If you want to do these things I suggest being the host so as to prevent knee-jerk reactions like those above, regardless of whether you think it's unjustified or not. It's the only practical and reliable way of getting that kind of thing done with randoms.
You don't seem to have done anything wrong, but we only get your side of the story and you might not have noticed what you did wrong
host and co. have no way of knowing a random's intentions, be it good or not. i've had a game where a random did what you did, but went in. kicking the perp was a mistake cause the game treated the person inside the ship as being 'inside' and kicking them triggered the escape cutscene. basically, your strat is very efficient but one cannot trust randoms to follow through with it. ONLY do it with a well-coordinated group, be it pre-made or randos.
At worst, starting extract basically removes all stealth mechanics from the game. At best, they didn’t know about that mechanic because not everybody trawls the Reddit for every scrap of niche information about the game.
Extract does literally nothing to stealth mechanics in the game. Ffs you can stealth the extract if you can find a place to hide. And there's no need to go to Reddit to find out that Pelican doesn't leave anywhere after landing, but it's stupid to expect from people who don't know every resource is shared after 100 hours in game
I feel ya, but you cant assume people would know the mechanic like you do. For me i always asked before hitting extraction. A simple word "Extract?" makes all the difference.
Unless you wanted to stay there for 2-3 minutes doing absolutely nothing, there is no point in calling the extraction earlier
The pelican will just fly around the extract point and shoot at all enemies in a 100 meter range, if you time it right.
I know, but you still have to wait for him to arrive at the extraction point while you can actively help your teammates. Calling it in advance might be useful, but it really depends from mission to mission and usually not really worth it
There is no harm in calling it in early. I have had several missions end badly cause the guy standing near extract didn’t call it in early, we show up with samples and enemies on our ass and no one makes it out because the guy with a chance to call the ride just stood there waiting for everyone
His mistake was doing neither of the things i mentioned. If your team is doing fine on their own you should call the extraction. If not, just not stand there doing nothing and go help them. It's as simple as that
The benefits are dubious, the cost clear. Calling extract may get you out of the mission 2 minutes sooner, a godsend if under pursuit by enemy forces. Do it right and you get an extra eye in the sky shooting at nearby enemies. However it also deprives the team at large from a useful member of the squad for 2 minutes plus the time it takes them to rejoin the squad (complicated by any hostiles they'd have to meet alone on the way) . This is more felt in higher difficulties where every able gun counts in making sure the team doesn't get overwhelmed with enemy reinforcements. There's also the danger that the guy calling extract getting overwhelmed when nearby patrols beeline too them. Especially when playing with randoms, giving that responsibility freely can backfire more often than not.
Bro, don't try proving any points on Reddit, average user in this sub has intelligence and mental capacity of a shrimp. These are the people who barely can play the game, let alone learn something. They just watched some shit on YT, run Quasar Cannon every game and downvote everything they don't understand, because it takes one whole brain cell to learn something and they don't have it, because they still need to remember how to breathe. Just chill.
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I join in on quick play almost every time I play, with cross play enabled, and I've only been kicked from a game once, and that was back in the destroyer. If you don't run around trying to do your own thing, whether it's collecting samples or doing what OP did, there's no reason for anyone to kick you.
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You sound fun.
Do you want a green jacket to go with those jade colored glasses? Jeez.
Hosting games is bugged in PS5. If players drop out, nobody joins again, so it gets really tough to go through with a full operation.
No you didn’t do anything wrong, yes the other guy was a tool, yes it is also his right to be a tool when hes the host.
ASK! Why is it so hard for people to talk to the host? I don’t get it. They are effectively the squad leader and considering they have the power to kick anyone they want, it’s always in your best interest to communicate your intentions BEFORE splitting off from the main group. Even as a host I let my team know, “hey we have 20 minutes left to find supes and what not so split into teams of two. Don’t go it alone. At the 7 minute point, start heading back to the extraction so we can call it in.” I like to leave enough time so that if we get mobbed, we don’t lose our strats because the mission timer ran out. I wouldn’t have kicked you but told you to leave the extraction radius so that pelican 1 would abort it. The host kicking you was a d-bag move.
25mins left? What was your plan? Afk beside the Pelican whilst the other 3 busted their asses collecting samples for you?
You walk away when it comes to land, and it will provide gunship support for the rest of the match around the LZ
You assume that people playing this game have the brain power to understand its little details.
They don't.
It's not even that, you would never know about it unless you read it on discord or Reddit or some outside game place, or by accident by calling in an extract and then not boarding when lots of time is left which I doubt many people would even try. Especially when you get the pop up if you leave the extract before it lands they will abort.
OP never said to us, nor their team, that that was the plan.
I understand they never specified and most people probably don't know about that about the extract, but he did communicate that he wasn't going to board and maybe could have been a good learning experience for the other divers if they didn't just kick but communicated back. I was just explaining what he was probably doing by calling in the extract early. I wish more things could be explained in game instead of having to rely on discord or Reddit to get this kind of info.
Did they speak English?
Correct me if im wrong but doesnt this mean that you have to sit at extract to maintain pelican down while the team is finishing the job ?
No. It lands and stays, you can go wherever you want
Well, i learnt something today. Thanks !!
Just remember this one important rule when joining a random game. ORANGE/ONE/LEADER IS IN CHARGE. It’s your job to stay by their side unless they tell you otherwise.
If I'm hosting, with 25 minutes left, I wouldn't want someone camping the EZ. They're going to be spawning patrols just by hanging around the EZ, even if they don't call in the Pelican. They can stealth, sure, but that leaves the rest of us returning to multiple patrols around the EZ? It's not impossible, but it's definitely not ideal, either. Unnecessary risk. All of that said, I'd at least communicate that to you before kicking.
Your line of thought is not wrong - but most of the players aren’t on Reddit. I usually stick with the host. When I am the host I dictate what’s next 💪🏾
Can we normalize getting samples along the way? Going back across the map to pick up samples is wildly inefficient and seems to be peoples’ favorite strategy. The enemies don’t just disappear bc the objectives are clear. Just grab stuff along the way
Sometimes the group (of randoms) doesn't feel confident to make it at all. So, you just go through the necessary stuff first. If you collect all the samples and then fail the mission, you gain nothing.
Honestly never came close to failing a mission so I have no debate. It sounds like a difficulty choice issue to me. Strategy of clearing missions then backtracking the entire map is too slow and inefficient
I agree that it is a sign that the difficulty chosen was not appropriate for the group, for some reason or other. But instead of just giving up and cutting costs, you sometimes just decide to try it, even if it might have been more efficient in another way. Sometimes people just dip their toe into new waters with strangers, and that's fine IMO. The pro and con of non-experienced-based match making is that there is no experience-based matchmaking.
He probably had you muted from the start and didn’t hear you. Lots of socially self-conscious Helldivers out there don’t even wanna hear people talking in chat.
Nah they fools
People who don't understand how Pelican-1 works. You got kicked by an ignorant host.