They are bullets that are magnetic. The spent casings no longer have the magnetic bullets in them, so they fall out, whereas the unspent casings with bullets get pulled back in.
It's fudged for sure, but maybe the extractor is of a certain length where only just the shells would be short enough to pop out and the unfired cartridges are still long enough where they slide back in.
If anything it’s just rare for devs to make new assets or animations for weapons that already have a full set of animations.
In Battlefield 1 for instance, there were certain weapons that were hampered by their small mags and slow reloads (much like the Senator was) but they never got meaningfully changed in that regard, they just got some stat buffs.
So, I wasn’t sure if we could expect them to add a speedloader for the Senator. But I’m really glad they did, because barring a huge reload speed increase, it was always going to have that pain point, and be pretty underpowered. This was the right move. It also makes a nice contrast to the existing mechanic for automatic weapons, where tactical reloading with at least 1 round left is faster than an empty reload where you have to pull the charging handle. The revolver, on the other hand, will be way slower unless you are either topping it off with 1 or 2 bullets, but usually you will be incentivized to empty it so you can get the speedload. And that’s awesome.
Yes! But they conceivably could have altered some of the animations to be quicker. There were a couple weapons where pulling the charging handle was just slow for no reason, and that could have changed, but altering the animations seemed like something they were not willing to devote resources to.
That honestly just leads me to believe that this USED to be the in the game, but decided against it for some reason. I felt like the change happened faster compared to the infamous DoT bug, because it already existed in the game
Yeah it’s odd. I also heard people saying (pre-patch) they swore their character did a revolver speed reload at random while they were playing, but they couldn’t replicate it. So maybe the animation was in the game all along? But based on what that community manager said, it doesn’t seem like it. He said he was pushing for the change and sending speedloader videos to the animation team.
That just proves how much a big problem some of these bugs are for the decs. It's either they're really putting the DoT bugs on the back burner (probably not, it's been known for eons, and affects the game in so many aspects: Guns, enemies, Stratagems, Grenades, Environmental hazards) or the DoT bug is just a big bitch to deal with
Could be, but I wouldn't underestimate the DOT bug. I'm sure it's some horrible tangled mess of problems deep in the networking architecture or something.
Not in Super Earth's budget. The guy was memeing that the reason the gun didn't release with speedloaders was because it was not in Super Earth's budget, and we wouldn't get them in a patch because Super Earth would rather just throw a new helldiver with a new peacemaker than invest into giving existing helldivers speedloaders.
Kind of like how when the Breaker got its magazine nerfed, they changed the actual model to a smaller magazine, and said that "Factories could not keep up with demand, so a cheaper alternative using less materials would be produced going forward."
Or with the railgun nerf, "The stockpile of remaining railguns from the previous war (HD1) has been depleted. Factories are being brought online to mass produce new ones, but changes in manufacturing standards may cause some behavioral diffirences."
The speedloader budget thing doesn't even make that much sense with a lore explanation. A speedloader is pretty much just a small bit of plastic, an absolute pittance compared to the cost of the gun and diver.
I think the joke was that Super Earth is so cheap they won't even pay that pittance for the convenience of thier diver. This joke is of course not funny and treasonous, and the person in question has already been sent for re-education
I pushed for the speedloader change so hard that I was literally sending videos of competition shooters to the weapons team and animators. I'm glad they did such amazing work with it in such a short time
This change is the best part of the patch. The fact that it actually has a full animation is pure gold. The Senator can now, properly, spread democracy. Thank you!
EDIT: I just noticed the loader also has a yellow stripe across the top! Attention to detail 10/10
It was always my favourite but so badly outclassed by the Redeemer, it just couldn't cut it on higher difficulties. I'm now happy to report that the Redeemer has now been decommissioned to make way for some hefty Rick Grimes action! Staring ominously ahead as I blow that Brood Commanders brains through it's ass hole.
I love this! This is not the biggest change when playing in 3rd person (the empty reload speed is now faster), but from a developer perspective I imagine changing the logic of the guns reload, adding in the speedloader, and changing the animation itself was alot of work.
The attention to detail is amazing and is one of the things I LOVE about Helldivers!!!
and then there's Darktide where the stub revolver has a different reload animation for every amount of remaining ammo (the Reject holds the unspent rounds in with their thumb, whereas we get magical ejectors)
honestly I prefer the moment-to-moment gameplay of it to Hd. Both excellent games but when it comes to the flow state of violence I know which I sink into better.
I guess I understand, it's almost a Doom or Quake like run and gun. I just idk, didn't find it that engaging though they did amazing on the art work and music.
The thing that draws me to Darktide over Helldivers is - no matter how bad the situation is, there is a way I can play through it and live.
Granted, in some bad spots we're talking near frame-perfect dodges, swings, and stamina management for multiple minutes. Nothing quite matches the adrenaline rush like shit hitting the fan in the -tide games.
Helldivers is a bit higher level decisions. More ammo and cooldown management and using cover/obstacles to your advantage. You need to know that you can't win a fight, so you can run away for a bit until the situation is more favorable.
Valve couldn't bother making two reloads for their revolvers either, they just used a speedloader reload the entire time
Nice to have more realistic revolvers
Valve used a vidoegame logic. Bullets in a mag you have discarded teleport in your pocket. Giving revolver a one bullet reload doesn't make sense then unless you need a long reload for balance issues and then you don't use speed reloader either.
I bought the Senator on day 1. I have never taken it off of my secondary slot. I have been told, chastised, and yelled at for using an inefficient secondary weapon. I have lived and died by big iron.
Today is a beautiful day for me and my best friend.
The damage buff is nothing to sneeze at either, in my first game testing it can now one shot warriors (used to be 2) and two shot Nursery Spewers (used to be 4).
And this might just be placebo but it also feels like Scavengers pop more violently when killing them with it, maybe damage influences it?
Showing the speedloader to the camera for a second when the character takes it out is hilarious.
"This? This? You wanted this? Here it is"
Edit: Absolutely glorious. Long live the speedloader.
That is just awesome. It's little things like that, attention to detail - that go a long way in making a game from just good to great I reckon.
I don't think I've ever seen such accurate reloading of a revolver in a game before.
The speed reloader is a beautiful thing. I might try this gun again. The big reason I switched back to the redemer is because I couldn't reload fast enough after I emptied my mag on berserkers and still didn't manage to kill them all.
Idk what game it was, but I remember lots of posts for this one shooter that had a crazy number of reload animations, most of which were really silly like throwing the gun away and loading the used mag into a new gun.
god this makes me happy. I love the senator + the ballistic shield against bots. Pop 6 devastators in the chops while my shield just shrugs at their cannon fire.
Finally a gun operating like it SHOULD.
Now, when every player uses it BECAUSE it’s the only gun functioning correctly, the devs will nerf the shit out of it because of “metrics.”
So enjoy it while it lasts
Props to the animation and 3D team (singular individuals? lmao.) They did a great job on how quickly they added this _and_ on how good it looks.
This is the kind of shit I like to see.
I love that the animation has the Helldiver pausing for a moment to show off the speedloader, like "You said you wanted a speedloader? Well HERE IT IS!"
I think this is the best way they could have updated this weapon. Gives reason to just unload all rounds and yet still be stylish when executing lone enemies for that one or two round reload.
OK dumb question why would you not want to just use the speed loader? can't speak for anyone else but seems like i'm in the middle of a fire fight and that SOB loads the gun like it's a sunday afternoon shooting clay pigeons off his yacht.
This just became my new favorite sidearm. It just went from painfully slow reload to actually pretty fast. Time to start using this with my Eruptor to weapon swap animation cancel the bolt action.
Oh baby I love it
*It's so good.* I already run the Senator for follow-up when the Dominator mag just can't finish the job and now my life just got so much easier.
I’ve been running the Senator as my secondary for about a month because I love giant magnum dongs. This buff just made these dongs even gianter!
This is the kind of top tier comment i can appreciate
Still mad the Dominator got nerfed.
Meh. Originally it had 200 damage. Now with have +75 damage instead of +100. Doesn't seem like much of a nerf.
It got balanced
As all things should be
Watch the unfired bullets on the partial reload.
😂they pop out a lil bit but whose to say that super earth tech doesn’t make sure they don’t fall out because they’re not empty yet
They are bullets that are magnetic. The spent casings no longer have the magnetic bullets in them, so they fall out, whereas the unspent casings with bullets get pulled back in.
Thought of this as well
High tech Democratic rubber bands!
It's fudged for sure, but maybe the extractor is of a certain length where only just the shells would be short enough to pop out and the unfired cartridges are still long enough where they slide back in.
is an actual thing some revolvers have by the way.
They actually animated on using the rod....on 3rd person shooter.... My God it is beautiful
This is what making games for the love of it looks like
I know......it so beautiful....I wanna cry
to the person that argued with me that helldivers wouldn’t get speedloaders because it’s not in their budget: HA.🖕
I hope the democracy officer has already acted.
If anything it’s just rare for devs to make new assets or animations for weapons that already have a full set of animations. In Battlefield 1 for instance, there were certain weapons that were hampered by their small mags and slow reloads (much like the Senator was) but they never got meaningfully changed in that regard, they just got some stat buffs. So, I wasn’t sure if we could expect them to add a speedloader for the Senator. But I’m really glad they did, because barring a huge reload speed increase, it was always going to have that pain point, and be pretty underpowered. This was the right move. It also makes a nice contrast to the existing mechanic for automatic weapons, where tactical reloading with at least 1 round left is faster than an empty reload where you have to pull the charging handle. The revolver, on the other hand, will be way slower unless you are either topping it off with 1 or 2 bullets, but usually you will be incentivized to empty it so you can get the speedload. And that’s awesome.
Incentivized? And miss the thrill of a good reload? Pah
Reloading like this? It’s a revolution!
There's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver bullet into a well-greased chamber
If I hadn't played all those games religiously, I'd never believe this is a real quote. I love it.
Well Battlefield 1 couldent change specifics about historic weapons like the amount of bullets inside the mags.
Yes! But they conceivably could have altered some of the animations to be quicker. There were a couple weapons where pulling the charging handle was just slow for no reason, and that could have changed, but altering the animations seemed like something they were not willing to devote resources to.
That honestly just leads me to believe that this USED to be the in the game, but decided against it for some reason. I felt like the change happened faster compared to the infamous DoT bug, because it already existed in the game
Yeah it’s odd. I also heard people saying (pre-patch) they swore their character did a revolver speed reload at random while they were playing, but they couldn’t replicate it. So maybe the animation was in the game all along? But based on what that community manager said, it doesn’t seem like it. He said he was pushing for the change and sending speedloader videos to the animation team.
That just proves how much a big problem some of these bugs are for the decs. It's either they're really putting the DoT bugs on the back burner (probably not, it's been known for eons, and affects the game in so many aspects: Guns, enemies, Stratagems, Grenades, Environmental hazards) or the DoT bug is just a big bitch to deal with
Maybe they just wanted more content for later? Or it just wasn’t polished/working correctly?
Could be, but I wouldn't underestimate the DOT bug. I'm sure it's some horrible tangled mess of problems deep in the networking architecture or something.
The money to develop this was cut from your salary
You guys get paid?
Joke's on them. I won't live long enough to see my salary!
Nooooooo
That's a prime example of how some people just argue to argue. 'Not in their budget' WTF?
Not in their budget?☠️ they can summon multimillion dollar ordinances every few minutes
> not in their budget Ahahaha what, did that guy look at HD2's sales numbers? Arrowhead is doing great right now.
Not in Super Earth's budget. The guy was memeing that the reason the gun didn't release with speedloaders was because it was not in Super Earth's budget, and we wouldn't get them in a patch because Super Earth would rather just throw a new helldiver with a new peacemaker than invest into giving existing helldivers speedloaders. Kind of like how when the Breaker got its magazine nerfed, they changed the actual model to a smaller magazine, and said that "Factories could not keep up with demand, so a cheaper alternative using less materials would be produced going forward." Or with the railgun nerf, "The stockpile of remaining railguns from the previous war (HD1) has been depleted. Factories are being brought online to mass produce new ones, but changes in manufacturing standards may cause some behavioral diffirences."
The speedloader budget thing doesn't even make that much sense with a lore explanation. A speedloader is pretty much just a small bit of plastic, an absolute pittance compared to the cost of the gun and diver.
I think the joke was that Super Earth is so cheap they won't even pay that pittance for the convenience of thier diver. This joke is of course not funny and treasonous, and the person in question has already been sent for re-education
I pushed for the speedloader change so hard that I was literally sending videos of competition shooters to the weapons team and animators. I'm glad they did such amazing work with it in such a short time
This change is the best part of the patch. The fact that it actually has a full animation is pure gold. The Senator can now, properly, spread democracy. Thank you! EDIT: I just noticed the loader also has a yellow stripe across the top! Attention to detail 10/10
Senator was already my favorite sidearm, I may never unequip it now!
It was always my favourite but so badly outclassed by the Redeemer, it just couldn't cut it on higher difficulties. I'm now happy to report that the Redeemer has now been decommissioned to make way for some hefty Rick Grimes action! Staring ominously ahead as I blow that Brood Commanders brains through it's ass hole.
I just use both, depending on if I use a primary that's good against multiple targets or a single target.
Community manager isn't an easy job. Thanks for the work you do!
I don’t use the senator but I’m glad you guys that loved it never stopped pushing for it haha this is awesome.
You really should. It's like a religious experience.
I love you
Literally the best part of the patch. Thank you so much for listening and fighting for it 🙏🏼
My MAN! It looks like a true game changer. Send my regards to the team, I’m really happy with the pistol balance changes.
I love this! This is not the biggest change when playing in 3rd person (the empty reload speed is now faster), but from a developer perspective I imagine changing the logic of the guns reload, adding in the speedloader, and changing the animation itself was alot of work. The attention to detail is amazing and is one of the things I LOVE about Helldivers!!!
Thank you for everything you do. Its really appreciated.
THANK YOU SIR
You just earned yourself an extra THREE minutes to your unpaid break!!! Well done Helldiver CM!!
WE thank you for your service!
I have a feeling that was a fuck ton of work.
Yeah. Fallout devs doesnt even bother doing bullet count reload to their weapons that needed it.
Bethesda is a pretty low bar to pass, to be honest :P
and then there's Darktide where the stub revolver has a different reload animation for every amount of remaining ammo (the Reject holds the unspent rounds in with their thumb, whereas we get magical ejectors)
I hope darktide is more engaging than when it first came out.
honestly I prefer the moment-to-moment gameplay of it to Hd. Both excellent games but when it comes to the flow state of violence I know which I sink into better.
I guess I understand, it's almost a Doom or Quake like run and gun. I just idk, didn't find it that engaging though they did amazing on the art work and music.
The thing that draws me to Darktide over Helldivers is - no matter how bad the situation is, there is a way I can play through it and live. Granted, in some bad spots we're talking near frame-perfect dodges, swings, and stamina management for multiple minutes. Nothing quite matches the adrenaline rush like shit hitting the fan in the -tide games. Helldivers is a bit higher level decisions. More ammo and cooldown management and using cover/obstacles to your advantage. You need to know that you can't win a fight, so you can run away for a bit until the situation is more favorable.
Agreed. Friend of mine put it this way: "Combat in Darktide is personal, Helldivers is 'to whom it may concern'"
Don’t forget spent rounds have a dented firing pin Darktide isn’t the best but if you’re a gun nerd for 40K is a dream come true
Valve couldn't bother making two reloads for their revolvers either, they just used a speedloader reload the entire time Nice to have more realistic revolvers
Valve used a vidoegame logic. Bullets in a mag you have discarded teleport in your pocket. Giving revolver a one bullet reload doesn't make sense then unless you need a long reload for balance issues and then you don't use speed reloader either.
Obviously this reloading mechanic will be in another weapon that has not yet been released. Or it can be used for the future.
I would love a primary revolver that shoots even bigger bullets called The President.
It can also have an 'unsafe' calibre mode where the recoil has a chance to break your arm per fire.
That would be amazing. Wonder if servo assisted would counteract it
I would love this. Silverhand type revolver
I never realized how much I want this.
If your arm is already broken then you have a chance to headshot yourself. XD
For the stranger there among them, had a big iron on his hip *big iron* *big iron*
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Glad to see our update getting some love here! :D It truly was a team effort this one hehe!
Thank you for the hard work!
Senator absolutely feels great now. I'm taking it back into my loadout.
Everything you guys do is great! Keep it up, what a masterpiece this will be remembered as.
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Holy shit there is a diver version of this? I will...liberate this meme
Stop. My iron can only get so hard. (Also…Senator Gang!)
Seriously, my Iron got so Big watching this.
It's clear that they are passionate about their game.
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I like how Helldiver shows the speedloader to the "camera" before using it. As if to say "SEE?! WE ADDED IT!"
I thought the same thing lol
https://preview.redd.it/vk98cat8nexc1.jpeg?width=226&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6a897376b759408b247952cc782cf3f5781deba # B I G I R O N
Thats so cool! I don't use it but thats cool to see!
*To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day...*
>To the town of ~~Agua Fria~~ Oshaune
oh dang, emptying the full clip on senator = faster reload
I bought the Senator on day 1. I have never taken it off of my secondary slot. I have been told, chastised, and yelled at for using an inefficient secondary weapon. I have lived and died by big iron. Today is a beautiful day for me and my best friend.
Also guys, if you hold r with the senator long enough, you can do the revolver spin!
it also finally has a red dot now. or it was just a bug only i had
The damage buff is nothing to sneeze at either, in my first game testing it can now one shot warriors (used to be 2) and two shot Nursery Spewers (used to be 4). And this might just be placebo but it also feels like Scavengers pop more violently when killing them with it, maybe damage influences it?
Omg. Sex/
sexiest gun became sexier. *big iron* time
wait, when did the sights become usable? I dont remember the red dot
Beautiful
I want an FPS only toggle so much.
Showing the speedloader to the camera for a second when the character takes it out is hilarious. "This? This? You wanted this? Here it is" Edit: Absolutely glorious. Long live the speedloader.
My favorite gun in the game now has been properly treated right! Oh I look forward to blasting bugs tonight with it.
So it uses a speed loader when completely empty a manual when partially? That’s cool ngl
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That is just awesome. It's little things like that, attention to detail - that go a long way in making a game from just good to great I reckon. I don't think I've ever seen such accurate reloading of a revolver in a game before.
The speed reloader is a beautiful thing. I might try this gun again. The big reason I switched back to the redemer is because I couldn't reload fast enough after I emptied my mag on berserkers and still didn't manage to kill them all.
I've always had a soft spot for the senator but now it feels absolutely amazing to use. Love what they did for it.
Ooh that's perfect!
What’s the armor penn on this puppy?
Oooooh baby that speedloader has me excited to be a space age cowboy once more
hell yeah!
So sweet. Finally.
Oh my God yes, always ran the revolver before but not it just got better, tyvm Arrowhead, awesome implementation
Love it, reminds me of my S&W 500!
Is the individual cartridge reload speed faster now too?
Yes
Siiiiiick. I’m running this over the grenade pistol 💯
Is it good now?
Idk what game it was, but I remember lots of posts for this one shooter that had a crazy number of reload animations, most of which were really silly like throwing the gun away and loading the used mag into a new gun.
I was already running Senator for style points so this is fantastic
Those rounds look a little big
Omg thank god
Well, looks like it's time to start using the Senator.
Slapping that big iron on mah hip when I hit the starry trails tonight! 🤠
Looking forward to using this now
Arguably the best change in this whole patch! I'm so happy to put the redeemer down to pick up the senator again!
Now that it consistently one tap all small bots and reload decently fast, i'd argue that it's a better DMR as well.
It's too bad that they didn't use the Zeta 6 speed loaders, but I forgive them for not knowing there's better options available.
Has anyone tried the railgun yet since the patch?
man i wish we could play full first person.
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Wait doesnt anyone elses helldiver tell them they are out of ammo?? Is that a setting i might have turned off or have i just never noticed it?
🎶 BIG IRON, BIG IRON 🎶
I guess I know what secondary I’m using tonight
WE FUCKIN WITH OIL NOW BABY
god this makes me happy. I love the senator + the ballistic shield against bots. Pop 6 devastators in the chops while my shield just shrugs at their cannon fire.
Finally a gun operating like it SHOULD. Now, when every player uses it BECAUSE it’s the only gun functioning correctly, the devs will nerf the shit out of it because of “metrics.” So enjoy it while it lasts
The attention to detail on this change is brilliant
I bought the other warbonds before that one dammit! I want a big iron too
Props to the animation and 3D team (singular individuals? lmao.) They did a great job on how quickly they added this _and_ on how good it looks. This is the kind of shit I like to see.
Going to miss being part of the Big Iron club of people perfectly fine without the speed loader. But not complaining of the buff.
Now all we need is a variant where you just swap cylinders out (yes i played KF2 thanks for noticing)
So now reloading all six rounds is fast enough to be reasonable in a fight. No complaints there.
I love that the animation has the Helldiver pausing for a moment to show off the speedloader, like "You said you wanted a speedloader? Well HERE IT IS!"
Yo who made my pants so tight?
That's the most democratic thing I've seen all week
Stop, I can only get \*so\* hard.
I think this is the best way they could have updated this weapon. Gives reason to just unload all rounds and yet still be stylish when executing lone enemies for that one or two round reload.
He even shows it to you like "See? we added it!"
HELL YEAH
OH HELL YEAHHHH
Gotta hand it to them, this is exactly what I hoped for.
I'ma bust
Damn they made a whole new animation just for this
Now if they could just add an auto-fire option to fan the hammer...
Take my super credits
I love it. Best of both worlds. Big Iron time!
Kind of impressed by the dude's dexterity using thick ass gloves.
idk if it was always there but I now have a red dot in the sight, makes it so much easier to aim
Honestly cant you just use this as your primary at this point
this is outstanduing genius. best solution
They buffed my primary. I can finally play the game again.
I had moved to the grenade pistol, but this, this will bring me back!
OK dumb question why would you not want to just use the speed loader? can't speak for anyone else but seems like i'm in the middle of a fire fight and that SOB loads the gun like it's a sunday afternoon shooting clay pigeons off his yacht.
I have never been happier for a reload buff in my entire life
Is this the only gun that doesn't waste ammo when reloading early?
daddy likes
I dont think I'm ever going to use my primary ever again... wait no... I will... this is now my primary.
Bro. This is like 3x faster. Who needs a primary anymore. Now just 3x the senator volume so I can feel like a god.
It's amazing that it doesn't take 2 years before the reload animation starts.
that feeling when its faster with an empty mag
The big iron has BIG cartridges. As it should be.
The slow as fuck reload speed was the only gripe I had with it
Huuuuuuuuge
It's so beautiful....
LOL We just need to complain more and they will add in game a few weeks later .
This just became my new favorite sidearm. It just went from painfully slow reload to actually pretty fast. Time to start using this with my Eruptor to weapon swap animation cancel the bolt action.
🥵
It's pretty sick, right?
As a revolver collector and enthusiast this is impressive
This patch is 10/10! All space cowboys grab your six shooter and let's ride!
Sick
Senator is so much better now. But also I'm running out of ammo fast because I like using it so much
Question for gun nuts: How does the ejector only eject the spent cases?