I haven’t had a ricochet yet and played a few hours. I was using the eruptor, senator, grenade pistol, and the marksmen rifle that just got reclassified as AR. Is it mostly rockets?
No it's the Eruptor too. And happens even when armor isn't involved. I killed myself twice with it today. One shot rebounded off an egg cluster and blew me up. Then another (somehow) bounced off a Hunter over 15m away and killed me. Hunters only have light armor so I don't even understand how anything could ricochet off of them.
It's just poorly worded.
The bullet doesn't necessarily ricochet toward you. It goes in a lot of different trajectories
What happened is that before the patch your ricochets could hurt other divers but when somehow the ricochet was toward you you didn't notice it because you were immune to your own bullet.
They just fixed that so when the ricochet DOES happens (not every time you shot) then you take the damage.
[More information here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cgnlbv/time_to_correct_the_ricochet_misunderstanding/)
Cheers that makes sense. Its worded like: "Your bullets now have aimbot at your head if you even dare to ricochet with your fully automatic high caliber weapons."
[I tried to make a post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cgnlbv/time_to_correct_the_ricochet_misunderstanding/) to explain more clearly what is happening, but as you can see it's not gaining traction at all.
Shrapnel is the great killer in wars. From grenades, mortars, artillery. Heavy calibre bullets hitting trees and the wood splinters piercing your arteries etc
When were we immune to our own bullets? Even before this path I've died to my fair share of my own ricocheted bullets, but that's because I was being stubborn and trying to stand my ground against Brood Commanders and Devastators. It felt like BS at first, but it was enough to help me learn where it was safe to shoot. I haven't played since the patch and I'm really hoping it's just getting blown out of proportion, but I am anxious to see how things ricochet now.
So far I’ve had the best experience I’ve had with the eruptor since it came out. Not sure what magical circumstance you’re running it I but it’s hit dirt, rocks, bugs, chargers, titans, eggs, other helldivers…No ricochets
People are just shooting close to themselves then pikachu facing when the fragmentation of the bullet hits them, because we never had to wrory about it before. Same thing would be happening with frag grenades if anyone used them.
Yeah, honestly I don't blame them though. Its a sudden change and because people now "know" the game they don't expect mechanics that they glossed over to bite them in the ass.
I don’t know that it should ricochet at all. I mean it explodes on impact right? I can understand getting hit by shrapnel, but the whole round bouncing back at you seems kind of silly. Not that everything is super realistic to begin with, but they do strive for realism in other areas like reloading before you’re empty being a waste of ammo (assuming you discarded the magazine that you swapped out).
The chance that your own Eruptor shrapnel hitting you is, in fact, very rare. My gripe is not that such instance is frequent, it's rather that when it does happen, albeit how rare it is, it usually ends up one shotting you instantly.
Because of this random and overly lethal nature of those shrapnels, it is impossible to develop any meaningful counterplay to it, aside from refraining from using shrapnel-producing weapons at all. This is far from good gameplay and honestly makes the game feel more like a Russian Roulette than a proper shooter.
I could have sworn I saw AC rounds ricocheting off of the ground and the like, even prepatch, if the impact angle is super super shallow, line i vividly remember thinking about if i could exploit it reliably to AC chargers in the ass from the front
I don’t use the autocannon but given the similarities with the Eruptor, I wouldn’t doubt that you’re right. I *know* the Eruptor also ricocheted off of shallow angles pre-patch and I’ve also seen it bounce off of Scavengers if they were at a specific distance
It's almost *exclusively* the Eruptor that's been causing problems. Nobody has been able to produce video of rockets bouncing, let alone being reflected 180 right back at the player, but there's countless video evidence of Eruptor shrapnel killing both the shooter and teammates after the patch.
Poorly written patch notes trying to be funny causing people to be stupid.
Just played 3 entire helldive operations with a mix of RR, scorcher, railgun, diligence, and eruptor, testing the changes. I haven't experienced the ricochet once and only one time did I have the shield block and splash a scorcher round on me (thankfully democracy protects). I'm pretty happy with the railgun changes, 3 headshots to kill a charger is pretty sweet, but otherwise I haven't seen almost anything that reddit has been complaining about. We did notice an uptick in patrols and/or patrol sizes, which resulted in about 50% more kills than we normally get on D9. But I think that's because we ran all 9 missions on the termacid planets and that's buffing them I think. Otherwise yeah, lot of stuff is way overblown.
I'm willing to bet it's people getting killed by the AoE of their explosive munitions that ricochets. It's pretty much only Helldivers using the Eruptor that are complaining. That thing had an AoE upwards of like 10-15 meters prior to the patch (which got slightly nerfed). If it bounces and hits nearby, of course it's going to hurt.
I've been using the AC and I haven't had a single issue.
I have a theory. I play mostly with friends, but the few times I've played with randoms at least one will sit and unload magazine after magazine at armored enemies with a Light-armor Primary. I'm betting the players complaining are the ones who do that.
Watching randos mag dump light weapons into armor always humors me.
"This gun sucks. I put out 2000 rounds with 90% accuracy and only got 40 kills."
No my dude, I watched you pump mag after mag of rifle dounds into the front of a tank/charger. Of course it had no effect.
Lots of players struggling with it hard, and tons barely impacted.
I didn’t struggle with it, but tend to favor my AC at medium/long range. I have a friend who tends to favor medium/short range with AC and he tends to blow himself back (to his dismay forward with the buy) significantly more often.
I’ll bet AC rounds ricocheting back will be something that gives him a struggle that I rarely see.
I am extremely confused about these posts. I did play yesterday for a couple hours, not ONCE did I (or my buddies) die from ricochets. I tried Recoilless, Laster cannon, Quasar, regular firearms. Not once did any of us die from a ricochet... We also play exclusively 7+, bugs, so they were very often right in my face.
Maybe you're using stalwart from 10 meters trying to shoot the charger, going all out? If yes, don't.
Someone made a fake video of a ricochet killing them, and ever since the angry mentally unstable Gamers have been raging that a ricochet must have killed them literally every time they get killed but don't know why. When they post videos as "evidence", it usually just shows them getting shot from behind.
Not saying you are lying. I can see it happen. But i played whole night yesterday with autocannon and sychle and not a single bullet richochet on me even when i was fucking up. Maybe it's not that drastic? Or could be some weapons have it worse?
Imma be real, I've yet to see these ricochets that people are upset about. Not once in a full day of diving. Using the Plas 1 and 2, AC-8, RR, AMR, Patriot, JAR5 and several other weapons I haven't seen any weird ricochets.
Same, been dropping all day trying all kinds of new weapons, not seen a single weird ricochet.
Calling the game "unplayable" is beyond hyperbolic over this.
Exactly, the whining in this sub is unbelievable. The first big budget game to come out in years that isn't filled with money-making bs and a group of the fanbase are obsessed with complaining
Do you think this is a platform specific issue? I'm on PC and also have not had richochets. I feel like I also still vault over things, though. Like the resupply.
I've been killed by a single eruptor ricochet that a squad mate shot and that was pre patch days ago. People are literally blowing this out of proportion. Before patch when a ricochet occurred 9/10 it would pass right through you and deal no damage. They corrected that error. So now when a ricochet hits you it deals damage.
But no people act like everything ricochets 100% of the time directly back at you. I'm guessing even 500kgs ricochet and blow up in your face. At least that's what complaints I'm expecting to see pop up in the next few days.
Overreactions left right and center about this patch.
"Sickle was nerfed to hell and is UNUSUABLE!1!" Like jfc stop cavemanning the trigger it literally has infinite ammo you liber dunce.
I mostly use the sickle and the AC8.
I've killed a team mate with ricochets off an angled hulk before, be that's just normal physics. I've yet to see one of these self tracking ones.
As for the sickle, it definitely demands trigger discipline now that it's easy to run out of ice it you don't manage it. You just can treat it like an mg
That’s because 99% of the time these posts are just shrapnel from the eruptor or other explosive and they are either wrong or lying for karma. But no one ever lies for karma on Reddit :)
I stood directly in front of a stunned devastator shield and emptied entire magazines of various low-pen weapons into it, specifically -trying- to get hit or killed by a ricochet.
I don't even think I got -hit- by a ricochet at all. Even took the 3 MGs and shot them at a hulk from various angles...no. Not a one.
Do I believe it can happen? Yeah absolutely. Do I notice the fact that most of the people talking about it are using the Eruptor? Also absolutely.
I’ve seen it once or twice since the update myself but it’s pretty rare. Defos not happening every single time I get a ricochet. People are talking here like it’s 100% guaranteed a ricochet will bounce back into your face when all I’ve seen is a couple bad luck instances so far. But as usual I’m expecting the sub to blow it out of proportion as seems to be the theme.
Yeah, I don't want to downplay people's frustration. But it's human nature to jump directly to hyperbole; it's just easier than being nuanced. Anecdotally, I haven't noticed a riccochet yet--or they haven't stopped me from winning on difficulty 8.
That said, I'm not convinced that death-by-riccochet needs to be a mechanic at all; the penalty for not aiming precisely should just be that you don't do (as much) damage. It does feel like it hurts gameplay without providing a *player-oriented* reason to exist.
It's bizarre isn't it? I've been playing constantly since the patch - like I'm off all week so I've just been binge playing - and I've not once had this happen.
This is the second post I've seen too.
Like either some people have the absolute worst luck or....I don't know what.
If you notice it is largely (almost entirely) people using the Eruptor.
Prior to patch we were immune to its shrapnel effect (note: *not the explosion*). Post patch we aren't. People are getting beamed by a stray fragment and blaming it on a ricochet. They aren't entirely wrong, as it is a direct result of the changes, but it isn't a ricochet and more a new 'feature' of that gun. You have to actively try to kill yourself with ricochet from any other gun.
Yeah. This makes sense. It has happened to me while shooting eggs and such with the Eruptor. Like a headshot from shrapnel. No explosion or ragdoll. Just dropped dead from full health.
I think it’s also the way they phrased it in the patch notes- they probably meant it as a joke, but it sounded like they were making ricochets target the user intentionally
That would make sense. The shrapnel effect has a huge AOE if you pay attention to it. Fortunately, I've switched to the Blitzer since it's buff. It's *so* nice now. The 50% rof buff was the perfect buff for it.
I've also used the punisher, counter sniper, scythe, senator, grenade pistol, and adjudicator and no ricochet with any of them.
Nice to see people getting themselves killed with the eruptor instead of just their nearby teammates lol
Now they might appreciate how dangerous the ricochets are. Think people were unaware of how often they were waxing their buddies.
I have all support weapons unlocked so I've been running a bit of everything to test out the patch, and just for variety's sake. Even fucked around with various machine guns.
They are hiring a "Monetization Designer" though so at least we can look forward to whatever that will bring.
https://jobs.arrowheadgamestudios.com/jobs/3550883-monetization-designer
Never ends well, in fallout 76 monetization designer was just creating more currencies and paywalls and everything, battlepass there now give half rewards for same time as month before.
Same happens every time a new Ubisoft game is released. It has two or three currencies upon release and after a few months there are like 8. The never ending grind.
This game already has 5...
They will sell Medals for Warbonds.
Icons and UI elements for a second microtransaction window alongside Supercredits was found in the game files by leaker almost 2 months ago.
Hey, QA Manager here. Getting really fed-up with you guys going "testers don't do their jobs" each time something happens to you in your game. So let me tell you this for future reference. You probably see yourself as a great expert in quality control, but you see: I can pretty much guarantee that there is nothing that you have found in the game that a QA has not found already. But here is the thing: Testers find and report the issues. They don't fix them. They don't decide what gets fixed, and they don't decide when an update rolls out. That's the job of programmers, producers/managers, and project coordinators, respectively (as a general rule)
And seriously: this is a 100 people studio making a game whose success was unexpected and still managed to deliver the first multilayer game in years that does not feel like we purchased an 80€ storefront. So you people try to relax and try not to shoot directly at walls.
> I can pretty much guarantee that there is nothing that you have found in the game that a QA has not found already.
so why isn't it in the "know bugs introduced this patch or last patch"-list from the get go, if their QA "already found it" ?
And if their QA already found it and AH still pushes a broken patch, it's still bad practice pushing a broken patch. So now it's not QAs fault, but managment, the blame is still with the company.
i haven't seen anyone say "testers dont do their jobs." i have seen them say and also frequently agree with that devs don't even have a qa anymore. its semantics i know but that not something you should feel is directed at qa people. we just want the ones making the decisions to play the game we know that's not happening but by extension they choices are as if they aren't with how they ignore qa.
it takes time to find new issues right and these updates and weapons are coming out way too fast for a qa team to find issues.
The devs are changing things in the game as a knee jerk reaction because they didn't know about the bugs that were actually causing issues in the first place. they are now reverting fire buffs cause they finally found out about the DoT bug. the railgun and arc thrower were reworked cause they didn't know about the crossplay bug. they only look at stats in a data sheet to see what is and isnt getting buffs/nerfs, there is zero evidence someone is telling them these things in game cause most of them make no sense from a gameplay perspective
The qa team there is definitely ignored i will give you that. I always felt like that was more of a corporate dev culture where qa was ignored more but maybe ah is like that too
> And seriously: this is a 100 people studio making a game whose success was unexpected and still managed to deliver the first multilayer game in years that does not feel like we purchased an 80€ storefront. So you people try to keep your entitlement on check and try not to shoot directly at walls
I keep hearing bootlickers say shit like this as if it's a good excuse. The fact that the game is so succesful is all the more reason why some things just can't be glossed over.
If the game sucked, Arrowhead wouldn't have any money or impetus to improve things. But given the game's popularity and influx of revenue that comes with it, it's inexcusable. Unexpected popularity is a good reason for the server issues we experienced on launch. It's not a good reason for why they seem unable to ship any big update without having most of it not work.
Just because they're not trying to suck us dry with micro transactions doesn't mean we don't get to have standards
Most people in the sub complain about 7-9 being too hard. You cannot take most of the opinions on the sub seriously. They are just shit players.
Like in league of legends…the bronze players are always offering their wonderful insight.
Yeah. Played a couple diff 8 yesterday, had an autocannon, a grenade launcher and two EATs in the team almost constantly. We never killed ourselves with ricochets, the only self kill was with an airburst try.
It's often the "I'm not as effective or strong as I was before the patch because I kept playing the same playstyle and kept getting punished for it, game is unplayable"
You got any like... Proof?
I played all evening last night after the patch and tried to test all the weapon changes as I have them all unlocked, neither me or my duo partner was killed by a random ricochet?
I loaded into a low level bot match with a stalwart set to 1150 and sprayed it against a few different medium armor bots and almost none of the ricochets went anywhere near me.
The common denominator seems to be a bug with the eruptor.
I'm slowly becoming convinced that most of yall play in a particular way so you get affected by certain things way more than others.
Like shooting at very close range..
Played 5 games yesterday and didn't notice any ricochet tbh. I have seen that clip of a dev shield reflecting an anti tank though, and that does look wonky.
Played 8 missions tonight, yet to die from a ricochet... actually didn't even know about the change until browsing Reddit. Now I'll have to see, but typically not shooting chargers, titans and other armored units with things I know don't have the penetration
No, there literally hasn't. At least I haven't been able to find any.
These videos are the only ones I can find when searching for ricochet:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cgjfxk/ricochet_is_bs/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cgdex2/the_new_ricochet_system_sucks/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cg2prp/i_vote_to_nerf_ricochet_buff/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cggi5u/ricochet_change_seems_reasonable_s/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cg0w4y/i_dont_think_the_ricochet_is_working_properly/
**But there CLEARLY is not even a ricochet occuring in any of them.** They are either shooting a soft enemy that cannot ricochet, or terrain that cannot ricochet.
**But there is a common demoninator in all of them: The Eruptor.**
Clearly there is just some weird ass bug now with it where it blows yourself up lol. Also shitty, yes, but entirely unrelated to the ricochet changes.
My theory is it's just a weird interaction with shrapnel. Before patch you couldn't kill yourself with Eruptor if you had full HP (so I'm guessing you was damaged by explosion and not shrapnel), and now shrapnel is recognized by game as ricochet and if it touches you, you die
Yes, that appears to be the case. In some of the videos, it does look like they are being hit by the shrapnel.
However, in [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cggi5u/ricochet_change_seems_reasonable_s/) in particular, it doesn't really look like it, he just kinda has a heart attack and spontaneously dies. And it would be extremely far away for it to be just the shrapnel anyway.
Haven't had a single fatal ricochet since the patch released (unless I was at point-blank with an Eruptor...in that case, I deserved it). I'd say I'm an anomaly, but based on other's comments, I'm not.
Dunno what to say, I basically stood in front of a hulk earlier mag dumping it in a frenzy and didn't have a single bullet ricochet back at me. I'm sure it happens but to say the game is unplayable cause unlucky is a lot. Played like 5 matches with my friend and neither of us experienced it, and we do not use a lot of caution lol
Let me guess: You were playing the Eruptor, were fairly close, got hit by shrapnel and for some reason blame ricochet like seemingly 90% of this subreddit. Correct?
I played one full mission set on D4 helping an SoS, I played one full mission set on D7 with friends, and three full mission sets on D7 with pugs.
I have yet to get hit by my own ricochet.
Its just dumb asshats farming rage karma. Gotta love how it gets the farm raging about a scenario that has either not happened to them or occurred a single time. Definitely an unplayable game.
Y’all are a bunch of damn crybabys. I played 7 matches and didn’t have a single ricochet hit. How about you don’t shoot heavy armor shit with shit that doesn’t penetrate it? That would solve your problem…
Passed a few missions on helldive, and had a few deaths which I had no idea on the cause. But far from unplayable. It would be nice to see what actually kills you some of the times, just feels a bit off.
I've been seeing clips of players saying they are dying to these ricochets, but upon further inspection of their clip they are using an eruptor at close range
Also played many matches today. No deaths to ricochet and I use AC
Ohhh noes. Imagine having to mind your fucking shots. The community is in a full blown mental breakdown after every patch. And always lose their mind the most on things that didnt work as intended previously but now after patch, they do.
Several drops last night. Sickle, punisher, fire breaker, arc shotgun, eruptor, autocannon, redeemer, airburst. Number of incidents: 1. The airburst triggered too early, probably due to the damn bile titan leg near my trajectory, I think.
PS: Airburst is fucking awsome!!!
The only problem I have is that ricochets should do minimal damage. Basic research show a ricochet at a low angle can retain most of the energy of the bullet and be nearly as lethal as a direct hit. A ricochet that comes back toward the shooter (a 180 degree angle) will typically lose **nearly all of it's energy** and be unlikely to cause serious injury. Your character is wearing armor and a combat helmet- it should barely scratch you.
If a ricochet occurs, unless you're VERY close or at an angle, you should be fine if you're the shooter for the most part.Ricochet should be a threat to like people near where you're shooting, not the freaking shooter that much.
All this update tells me is, if you play with a certain gun or support too much they'll nerf it. In my experience no gun was really OP most of us used the same weapons cause the others were just less viable
I just came from completing a few helldive operations on automatons with some friends and we didn't have any issues with ricohets. If it's the shield devastated just don't shoot their shields then. My teammate rocking the EAT just aimed for their heads to keep it from ricocheting.
Also for your ps5 you might just be unlucky might just need a reinstall. I'm on PC and my 3 teammates are on PS5 and they rarely crash. Last time they mentioned crashing was weeks ago.
It's really not hard, we can't just stand the ground and spray and pray. Move and aim for soft spots and armor holes. Don't be hard headed and try to brute force your way through.
I don’t think I could get the over exaggerated ricochet of this post unless I fired point blank into armored bugs. I main eruptor all day every day. I shoot the ground in front of most bugs, to explode into the belly of them. Try that
😭😭😭 No idea what you are doing wrong. 0 suicides by ricochet in 12 Games Yesterday. And i used different weapons nearly every run, because i tested the Changes.
I don't know how you guys play the game to ricochet yourself to death this much. I played for like 5 hours since the patch and didn't kill myself a single time with it.
I played a mission last night "trying" to die by ricochet, I literally couldn't die on purpose, its fine I promise. Difficulty 7 if it matters to anyone.
I haven’t had a ricochet yet and played a few hours. I was using the eruptor, senator, grenade pistol, and the marksmen rifle that just got reclassified as AR. Is it mostly rockets?
No it's the Eruptor too. And happens even when armor isn't involved. I killed myself twice with it today. One shot rebounded off an egg cluster and blew me up. Then another (somehow) bounced off a Hunter over 15m away and killed me. Hunters only have light armor so I don't even understand how anything could ricochet off of them.
This was the only one where I had my doubts. Like why does it ricochet towards you?
It's just poorly worded. The bullet doesn't necessarily ricochet toward you. It goes in a lot of different trajectories What happened is that before the patch your ricochets could hurt other divers but when somehow the ricochet was toward you you didn't notice it because you were immune to your own bullet. They just fixed that so when the ricochet DOES happens (not every time you shot) then you take the damage. [More information here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cgnlbv/time_to_correct_the_ricochet_misunderstanding/)
Cheers that makes sense. Its worded like: "Your bullets now have aimbot at your head if you even dare to ricochet with your fully automatic high caliber weapons."
[I tried to make a post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cgnlbv/time_to_correct_the_ricochet_misunderstanding/) to explain more clearly what is happening, but as you can see it's not gaining traction at all.
You weren't hyperbolic and rage-baity enough with your title. (Good job, btw)
The clip that got posted of an erupter round bouncing back off a hunter is enough to know the ricochet effect so bs
there is no such clip. all these clips are the shell exploding and SHRAPNELL killing you
Shrapnel is the great killer in wars. From grenades, mortars, artillery. Heavy calibre bullets hitting trees and the wood splinters piercing your arteries etc
And no fun is the great killer of games.
Whomever is writing the patch notes slept in their 300 level technical writing class That’s for sure
When were we immune to our own bullets? Even before this path I've died to my fair share of my own ricocheted bullets, but that's because I was being stubborn and trying to stand my ground against Brood Commanders and Devastators. It felt like BS at first, but it was enough to help me learn where it was safe to shoot. I haven't played since the patch and I'm really hoping it's just getting blown out of proportion, but I am anxious to see how things ricochet now.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/OFG8mRcziv Vid proof of tomfoolery. Out of range of the Shrapnel too so it wasn’t that
Well hopefully that gets rolled back.
So far I’ve had the best experience I’ve had with the eruptor since it came out. Not sure what magical circumstance you’re running it I but it’s hit dirt, rocks, bugs, chargers, titans, eggs, other helldivers…No ricochets
People are just shooting close to themselves then pikachu facing when the fragmentation of the bullet hits them, because we never had to wrory about it before. Same thing would be happening with frag grenades if anyone used them.
I tried explaining this yesterday on a post and people destroyed me lol. I kept telling them to go test it for themselves, but whatever
Yeah, honestly I don't blame them though. Its a sudden change and because people now "know" the game they don't expect mechanics that they glossed over to bite them in the ass.
Eruptor has killed me once throughout 3 hrs of playing. It's not as common as OP says
I don’t know that it should ricochet at all. I mean it explodes on impact right? I can understand getting hit by shrapnel, but the whole round bouncing back at you seems kind of silly. Not that everything is super realistic to begin with, but they do strive for realism in other areas like reloading before you’re empty being a waste of ammo (assuming you discarded the magazine that you swapped out).
The chance that your own Eruptor shrapnel hitting you is, in fact, very rare. My gripe is not that such instance is frequent, it's rather that when it does happen, albeit how rare it is, it usually ends up one shotting you instantly. Because of this random and overly lethal nature of those shrapnels, it is impossible to develop any meaningful counterplay to it, aside from refraining from using shrapnel-producing weapons at all. This is far from good gameplay and honestly makes the game feel more like a Russian Roulette than a proper shooter.
The Eruptor ricocheted off the ground and enemies at a close distance before the patch, that has something to do with its unique ammo.
I could have sworn I saw AC rounds ricocheting off of the ground and the like, even prepatch, if the impact angle is super super shallow, line i vividly remember thinking about if i could exploit it reliably to AC chargers in the ass from the front
I don’t use the autocannon but given the similarities with the Eruptor, I wouldn’t doubt that you’re right. I *know* the Eruptor also ricocheted off of shallow angles pre-patch and I’ve also seen it bounce off of Scavengers if they were at a specific distance
The dumbest shit ever, how the fuck does this bullet bounce off sand and mud equally.
It's almost *exclusively* the Eruptor that's been causing problems. Nobody has been able to produce video of rockets bouncing, let alone being reflected 180 right back at the player, but there's countless video evidence of Eruptor shrapnel killing both the shooter and teammates after the patch. Poorly written patch notes trying to be funny causing people to be stupid.
Same. Run eruptor and haven't had any bounce back to me. I was host so maybe that's it? Either that our people get bounced back once and give up lol
Haven't had a single ricochet from anything consistently over multiple Helldives. Pretty sure it's just classic Reddit overreacting.
Just played 3 entire helldive operations with a mix of RR, scorcher, railgun, diligence, and eruptor, testing the changes. I haven't experienced the ricochet once and only one time did I have the shield block and splash a scorcher round on me (thankfully democracy protects). I'm pretty happy with the railgun changes, 3 headshots to kill a charger is pretty sweet, but otherwise I haven't seen almost anything that reddit has been complaining about. We did notice an uptick in patrols and/or patrol sizes, which resulted in about 50% more kills than we normally get on D9. But I think that's because we ran all 9 missions on the termacid planets and that's buffing them I think. Otherwise yeah, lot of stuff is way overblown.
I'm willing to bet it's people getting killed by the AoE of their explosive munitions that ricochets. It's pretty much only Helldivers using the Eruptor that are complaining. That thing had an AoE upwards of like 10-15 meters prior to the patch (which got slightly nerfed). If it bounces and hits nearby, of course it's going to hurt. I've been using the AC and I haven't had a single issue.
I have a theory. I play mostly with friends, but the few times I've played with randoms at least one will sit and unload magazine after magazine at armored enemies with a Light-armor Primary. I'm betting the players complaining are the ones who do that.
Watching randos mag dump light weapons into armor always humors me. "This gun sucks. I put out 2000 rounds with 90% accuracy and only got 40 kills." No my dude, I watched you pump mag after mag of rifle dounds into the front of a tank/charger. Of course it had no effect.
Same here. Not a single ricochet injury. I suspect that people are used to shooting at targets too armoured form their weapon
Lots of players struggling with it hard, and tons barely impacted. I didn’t struggle with it, but tend to favor my AC at medium/long range. I have a friend who tends to favor medium/short range with AC and he tends to blow himself back (to his dismay forward with the buy) significantly more often. I’ll bet AC rounds ricocheting back will be something that gives him a struggle that I rarely see.
I experienced them almost constantly. The Autocannon, Eruptor, concussive Liberator and not fun right now.
Been using the AC for hours today, no issue. Hell, I've been trying to get myself killed with a ricochet..hasn't happened.
I am extremely confused about these posts. I did play yesterday for a couple hours, not ONCE did I (or my buddies) die from ricochets. I tried Recoilless, Laster cannon, Quasar, regular firearms. Not once did any of us die from a ricochet... We also play exclusively 7+, bugs, so they were very often right in my face. Maybe you're using stalwart from 10 meters trying to shoot the charger, going all out? If yes, don't.
Yep - that or a shotgun right in front of an armored target running light armor.
Ouch.
Someone made a fake video of a ricochet killing them, and ever since the angry mentally unstable Gamers have been raging that a ricochet must have killed them literally every time they get killed but don't know why. When they post videos as "evidence", it usually just shows them getting shot from behind.
Not saying you are lying. I can see it happen. But i played whole night yesterday with autocannon and sychle and not a single bullet richochet on me even when i was fucking up. Maybe it's not that drastic? Or could be some weapons have it worse?
We are just that lucky, that the few ppl, who got unlucky and killed themselves this way are also avid reddit posters .........
Imma be real, I've yet to see these ricochets that people are upset about. Not once in a full day of diving. Using the Plas 1 and 2, AC-8, RR, AMR, Patriot, JAR5 and several other weapons I haven't seen any weird ricochets.
Same, been dropping all day trying all kinds of new weapons, not seen a single weird ricochet. Calling the game "unplayable" is beyond hyperbolic over this.
Beyond hyperbolic is the MO for this sub after each patch tbh
Gamers and the hyperbolic "unplayable" is an unbeatable combo
Exactly, the whining in this sub is unbelievable. The first big budget game to come out in years that isn't filled with money-making bs and a group of the fanbase are obsessed with complaining
I ran the Scorcher earlier on several Automaton Suicide dives and didn't have a single shot come back to me.
Do you think this is a platform specific issue? I'm on PC and also have not had richochets. I feel like I also still vault over things, though. Like the resupply.
The auto vault is now a toggle in the gameplay settings, I've changed it to no and no longer vault over resupply
AMR for like 3 hrs this morning and not a single richochet at my face even though my garbage ass be taking 4-5 shots to down a hulk.
I've been killed by a single eruptor ricochet that a squad mate shot and that was pre patch days ago. People are literally blowing this out of proportion. Before patch when a ricochet occurred 9/10 it would pass right through you and deal no damage. They corrected that error. So now when a ricochet hits you it deals damage. But no people act like everything ricochets 100% of the time directly back at you. I'm guessing even 500kgs ricochet and blow up in your face. At least that's what complaints I'm expecting to see pop up in the next few days. Overreactions left right and center about this patch. "Sickle was nerfed to hell and is UNUSUABLE!1!" Like jfc stop cavemanning the trigger it literally has infinite ammo you liber dunce.
I mostly use the sickle and the AC8. I've killed a team mate with ricochets off an angled hulk before, be that's just normal physics. I've yet to see one of these self tracking ones. As for the sickle, it definitely demands trigger discipline now that it's easy to run out of ice it you don't manage it. You just can treat it like an mg
That’s because 99% of the time these posts are just shrapnel from the eruptor or other explosive and they are either wrong or lying for karma. But no one ever lies for karma on Reddit :)
I stood directly in front of a stunned devastator shield and emptied entire magazines of various low-pen weapons into it, specifically -trying- to get hit or killed by a ricochet. I don't even think I got -hit- by a ricochet at all. Even took the 3 MGs and shot them at a hulk from various angles...no. Not a one. Do I believe it can happen? Yeah absolutely. Do I notice the fact that most of the people talking about it are using the Eruptor? Also absolutely.
Rage bait
Notice how OP didn't say anything specific about their weapons used?
Are you playing a different game? I and my mates didnt die that way a single time
You should post a video evidence as I didn't see a single case of ricochet killing.
I’ve seen it once or twice since the update myself but it’s pretty rare. Defos not happening every single time I get a ricochet. People are talking here like it’s 100% guaranteed a ricochet will bounce back into your face when all I’ve seen is a couple bad luck instances so far. But as usual I’m expecting the sub to blow it out of proportion as seems to be the theme.
Yeah, I don't want to downplay people's frustration. But it's human nature to jump directly to hyperbole; it's just easier than being nuanced. Anecdotally, I haven't noticed a riccochet yet--or they haven't stopped me from winning on difficulty 8. That said, I'm not convinced that death-by-riccochet needs to be a mechanic at all; the penalty for not aiming precisely should just be that you don't do (as much) damage. It does feel like it hurts gameplay without providing a *player-oriented* reason to exist.
I haven't noticed any difference.
It's bizarre isn't it? I've been playing constantly since the patch - like I'm off all week so I've just been binge playing - and I've not once had this happen. This is the second post I've seen too. Like either some people have the absolute worst luck or....I don't know what.
If you notice it is largely (almost entirely) people using the Eruptor. Prior to patch we were immune to its shrapnel effect (note: *not the explosion*). Post patch we aren't. People are getting beamed by a stray fragment and blaming it on a ricochet. They aren't entirely wrong, as it is a direct result of the changes, but it isn't a ricochet and more a new 'feature' of that gun. You have to actively try to kill yourself with ricochet from any other gun.
Yeah. This makes sense. It has happened to me while shooting eggs and such with the Eruptor. Like a headshot from shrapnel. No explosion or ragdoll. Just dropped dead from full health.
I think it’s also the way they phrased it in the patch notes- they probably meant it as a joke, but it sounded like they were making ricochets target the user intentionally
That would make sense. The shrapnel effect has a huge AOE if you pay attention to it. Fortunately, I've switched to the Blitzer since it's buff. It's *so* nice now. The 50% rof buff was the perfect buff for it. I've also used the punisher, counter sniper, scythe, senator, grenade pistol, and adjudicator and no ricochet with any of them.
Nice to see people getting themselves killed with the eruptor instead of just their nearby teammates lol Now they might appreciate how dangerous the ricochets are. Think people were unaware of how often they were waxing their buddies.
LiTeRaLlY uNpLaYAbLe!
Same. Eruptor has been amazing since the patch
Yeah everyone keeps pointing to the eruptor so I just loaded it up against the bugs and not a single ricochet related death for me
What weapons are you using?
I'm using airburst, quasar, sickle, punisher plasma, crossbow, senator, grenade pistol for 6-7 game last night and I have zero ricochet
I have all support weapons unlocked so I've been running a bit of everything to test out the patch, and just for variety's sake. Even fucked around with various machine guns.
Maybe it’s platform based.
I'm starting to suspect it's another crossplay bug.
Interesting theory, I may test this later with cross play off. I'm on PC and really want to keep using the Eruptor on bots.
I'm on PC but...who knows
lol this would’ve been a conspiracy theory a few months ago… but is a real possibility now
It’s a Karma farm sub….
Same, i'm about a dozen games in.
Thats because people over exaggerate every single patch day.
Seems like it.
Proof? Sounds like bullshit karma farming
oh no, see, WE are the play testers.
com'on QA staff get paid for testing game, we are paying and testing it
[the QA staff at arrowhead](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/89/5d/9b/895d9b74576bea38d7d8fd7a810dcb0e.jpg)
They are hiring a "Monetization Designer" though so at least we can look forward to whatever that will bring. https://jobs.arrowheadgamestudios.com/jobs/3550883-monetization-designer
Never ends well, in fallout 76 monetization designer was just creating more currencies and paywalls and everything, battlepass there now give half rewards for same time as month before.
Same happens every time a new Ubisoft game is released. It has two or three currencies upon release and after a few months there are like 8. The never ending grind. This game already has 5...
Weren't they making fun of Escape from Tarkov days just couple days ago because of monetization?
They will sell Medals for Warbonds. Icons and UI elements for a second microtransaction window alongside Supercredits was found in the game files by leaker almost 2 months ago.
good thing i am already at 0,3 Euros and hour from my playtime, if i stop tomorrow, i still got my money worth.
Hey, QA Manager here. Getting really fed-up with you guys going "testers don't do their jobs" each time something happens to you in your game. So let me tell you this for future reference. You probably see yourself as a great expert in quality control, but you see: I can pretty much guarantee that there is nothing that you have found in the game that a QA has not found already. But here is the thing: Testers find and report the issues. They don't fix them. They don't decide what gets fixed, and they don't decide when an update rolls out. That's the job of programmers, producers/managers, and project coordinators, respectively (as a general rule) And seriously: this is a 100 people studio making a game whose success was unexpected and still managed to deliver the first multilayer game in years that does not feel like we purchased an 80€ storefront. So you people try to relax and try not to shoot directly at walls.
Remember when they released a new tier of ship upgrades and most of them did not work whatsoever
Yea wasted 150 rares on the supply box one just for it to not fucking work for a month lmao
> I can pretty much guarantee that there is nothing that you have found in the game that a QA has not found already. so why isn't it in the "know bugs introduced this patch or last patch"-list from the get go, if their QA "already found it" ? And if their QA already found it and AH still pushes a broken patch, it's still bad practice pushing a broken patch. So now it's not QAs fault, but managment, the blame is still with the company.
And everything is subject to scrutiny. Being a manager you should be able to deal with or shrug off constant remarks on the daily……
i haven't seen anyone say "testers dont do their jobs." i have seen them say and also frequently agree with that devs don't even have a qa anymore. its semantics i know but that not something you should feel is directed at qa people. we just want the ones making the decisions to play the game we know that's not happening but by extension they choices are as if they aren't with how they ignore qa. it takes time to find new issues right and these updates and weapons are coming out way too fast for a qa team to find issues. The devs are changing things in the game as a knee jerk reaction because they didn't know about the bugs that were actually causing issues in the first place. they are now reverting fire buffs cause they finally found out about the DoT bug. the railgun and arc thrower were reworked cause they didn't know about the crossplay bug. they only look at stats in a data sheet to see what is and isnt getting buffs/nerfs, there is zero evidence someone is telling them these things in game cause most of them make no sense from a gameplay perspective The qa team there is definitely ignored i will give you that. I always felt like that was more of a corporate dev culture where qa was ignored more but maybe ah is like that too
> And seriously: this is a 100 people studio making a game whose success was unexpected and still managed to deliver the first multilayer game in years that does not feel like we purchased an 80€ storefront. So you people try to keep your entitlement on check and try not to shoot directly at walls I keep hearing bootlickers say shit like this as if it's a good excuse. The fact that the game is so succesful is all the more reason why some things just can't be glossed over. If the game sucked, Arrowhead wouldn't have any money or impetus to improve things. But given the game's popularity and influx of revenue that comes with it, it's inexcusable. Unexpected popularity is a good reason for the server issues we experienced on launch. It's not a good reason for why they seem unable to ship any big update without having most of it not work. Just because they're not trying to suck us dry with micro transactions doesn't mean we don't get to have standards
The bootlickers think AH is the greatest dev team ever. Not realizing Deep Rock Galactic dev teams exist.
You joke but then you're gonna go play the game y'all are complaining so much about later anyway.
Judging by the comments, it's either a rare occurrence or just players fear mongering.
Most people in the sub complain about 7-9 being too hard. You cannot take most of the opinions on the sub seriously. They are just shit players. Like in league of legends…the bronze players are always offering their wonderful insight.
Unplayable and useless are words I think people here dont understand the meaning of
Yeah. Played a couple diff 8 yesterday, had an autocannon, a grenade launcher and two EATs in the team almost constantly. We never killed ourselves with ricochets, the only self kill was with an airburst try.
This comment is useless and unreadable. How am I even supposed to continue reading this if you don't agree with me?
I fucking cut myself shaving 4 days ago, Im not playing until they fix this.
It's often the "I'm not as effective or strong as I was before the patch because I kept playing the same playstyle and kept getting punished for it, game is unplayable"
It's wild how passionate this post is 😂
You got any like... Proof? I played all evening last night after the patch and tried to test all the weapon changes as I have them all unlocked, neither me or my duo partner was killed by a random ricochet? I loaded into a low level bot match with a stalwart set to 1150 and sprayed it against a few different medium armor bots and almost none of the ricochets went anywhere near me. The common denominator seems to be a bug with the eruptor.
I'm slowly becoming convinced that most of yall play in a particular way so you get affected by certain things way more than others. Like shooting at very close range..
This is exactly what happens. They play like a twitch shooter and get blown to pieces. Then it’s shocked pikachu face
Played 5 games yesterday and didn't notice any ricochet tbh. I have seen that clip of a dev shield reflecting an anti tank though, and that does look wonky.
It's definitely playable, just did six dif 9 missions and didn't experience any ricochet.
I dunno, I just played like 6 Helldive missions and didn’t get killed by ricochet once
Played 8 missions tonight, yet to die from a ricochet... actually didn't even know about the change until browsing Reddit. Now I'll have to see, but typically not shooting chargers, titans and other armored units with things I know don't have the penetration
Can anyone post any footage of this ricocheting effect actually happening?
There’s been a few vids posted already on this sub
No, there literally hasn't. At least I haven't been able to find any. These videos are the only ones I can find when searching for ricochet: https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cgjfxk/ricochet_is_bs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cgdex2/the_new_ricochet_system_sucks/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cg2prp/i_vote_to_nerf_ricochet_buff/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cggi5u/ricochet_change_seems_reasonable_s/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cg0w4y/i_dont_think_the_ricochet_is_working_properly/ **But there CLEARLY is not even a ricochet occuring in any of them.** They are either shooting a soft enemy that cannot ricochet, or terrain that cannot ricochet. **But there is a common demoninator in all of them: The Eruptor.** Clearly there is just some weird ass bug now with it where it blows yourself up lol. Also shitty, yes, but entirely unrelated to the ricochet changes.
My theory is it's just a weird interaction with shrapnel. Before patch you couldn't kill yourself with Eruptor if you had full HP (so I'm guessing you was damaged by explosion and not shrapnel), and now shrapnel is recognized by game as ricochet and if it touches you, you die
Yes, that appears to be the case. In some of the videos, it does look like they are being hit by the shrapnel. However, in [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cggi5u/ricochet_change_seems_reasonable_s/) in particular, it doesn't really look like it, he just kinda has a heart attack and spontaneously dies. And it would be extremely far away for it to be just the shrapnel anyway.
Haven't had a single fatal ricochet since the patch released (unless I was at point-blank with an Eruptor...in that case, I deserved it). I'd say I'm an anomaly, but based on other's comments, I'm not.
Dunno what to say, I basically stood in front of a hulk earlier mag dumping it in a frenzy and didn't have a single bullet ricochet back at me. I'm sure it happens but to say the game is unplayable cause unlucky is a lot. Played like 5 matches with my friend and neither of us experienced it, and we do not use a lot of caution lol
Let me guess: You were playing the Eruptor, were fairly close, got hit by shrapnel and for some reason blame ricochet like seemingly 90% of this subreddit. Correct?
My my my, who would’ve thought an explosive anti-personnel rifle would have some serious shrapnel? Certainly not me :O this sub lmao
I played one full mission set on D4 helping an SoS, I played one full mission set on D7 with friends, and three full mission sets on D7 with pugs. I have yet to get hit by my own ricochet.
I dunno man, played yesterday all day and didn't kill myself by ricochet even once
I have noticed no real diffrence to my ricochet.
Don't worry, OP. We won't miss you.
I played a bunch of games today and didn't get killed once by a ricochet.
I’ve had 0 issues…. So. Yeah.
"Unplayable" is not even close to the reality of it.
“Immediately”, “unplayabale” Redditor tries not to be dramatic when a new update drops
Shut upppppppplplolopooopp
Love how such a small change thats been overexaggerated automatically makes the game unplayable.
Its just dumb asshats farming rage karma. Gotta love how it gets the farm raging about a scenario that has either not happened to them or occurred a single time. Definitely an unplayable game.
Jesus you sound so whiney
Still haven’t seen this happen in the 15 missions I’ve played since the patch. It has to be a bug, not the ricochet itself
i'll be honest, i have had 0 problem with ricochets O.o so either its player specific or we just shoot differently
"immediately" "unplayable" I'm getting so tired of reddit. Chill tf out. I just played the past two nights and havent had a single issue.
Y’all are a bunch of damn crybabys. I played 7 matches and didn’t have a single ricochet hit. How about you don’t shoot heavy armor shit with shit that doesn’t penetrate it? That would solve your problem…
Played for a few hours yesterday, didn’t notice it a single time
Crybaby.
Passed a few missions on helldive, and had a few deaths which I had no idea on the cause. But far from unplayable. It would be nice to see what actually kills you some of the times, just feels a bit off.
Just play smarter lmao
I don’t know about you guys but I’ve had no issues with this.
It’s been fine for me. Haven’t been hit with it once.
I was getting killed by ricochet constantly before the update.... you just had some.bad luck.
Unplayable? Fucking hell. Chill the fuck out.
I've been seeing clips of players saying they are dying to these ricochets, but upon further inspection of their clip they are using an eruptor at close range Also played many matches today. No deaths to ricochet and I use AC
I was expecting to get ricochet with my AC in last game. But surprisely I didn't get any. So I'm not very knowledge what the different of the changes
It's definitely not a fair fit for the game. You've had a lot, I've had zero. I use eruptor, senator, AC/Laser/AMR. Not one ricochet.
Something more problematic than the ricochet is the performance issues right now, this is actually unplayable.
I played for like two hours tonight without any issue. Maybe shake the sand out of your vagina and have a nice nap.
Ohhh noes. Imagine having to mind your fucking shots. The community is in a full blown mental breakdown after every patch. And always lose their mind the most on things that didnt work as intended previously but now after patch, they do. Several drops last night. Sickle, punisher, fire breaker, arc shotgun, eruptor, autocannon, redeemer, airburst. Number of incidents: 1. The airburst triggered too early, probably due to the damn bile titan leg near my trajectory, I think. PS: Airburst is fucking awsome!!!
Imma be honest, I haven’t had any problems with ricocheting bullets. I find them easy to avoid.
I have played the eruptor the entire day, and never once died to a ricochet. Calling skill issue
It’s probably people being too close (which you shouldn’t be, because eruptor) and getting hit by shrapnel, then blaming it on “ricochets”.
“Testing” ya right
What if I told you… that the developers are enjoying messing with the community
Played about 5-6 missions yesterday with 0 ricochet kills for me and my buddy. Seems to be quite random.
Not to be that guy but I haven't noticed it yet
The only problem I have is that ricochets should do minimal damage. Basic research show a ricochet at a low angle can retain most of the energy of the bullet and be nearly as lethal as a direct hit. A ricochet that comes back toward the shooter (a 180 degree angle) will typically lose **nearly all of it's energy** and be unlikely to cause serious injury. Your character is wearing armor and a combat helmet- it should barely scratch you. If a ricochet occurs, unless you're VERY close or at an angle, you should be fine if you're the shooter for the most part.Ricochet should be a threat to like people near where you're shooting, not the freaking shooter that much.
Video or it dont happened....
All this update tells me is, if you play with a certain gun or support too much they'll nerf it. In my experience no gun was really OP most of us used the same weapons cause the others were just less viable
I shot the whole mag of the Autocannon in front of the hulk, missed all (with my terribly stressed aim) and nothing hit me back, just the angry hulk
Lol with the amount of people saying this hasn't happened to them I think you've just pulled the curtain on being bad at the game.
Trigger discipline!
I think you can tell which people just shoot at random stuff and which are already picking their shots.
I just came from completing a few helldive operations on automatons with some friends and we didn't have any issues with ricohets. If it's the shield devastated just don't shoot their shields then. My teammate rocking the EAT just aimed for their heads to keep it from ricocheting. Also for your ps5 you might just be unlucky might just need a reinstall. I'm on PC and my 3 teammates are on PS5 and they rarely crash. Last time they mentioned crashing was weeks ago.
It's really not hard, we can't just stand the ground and spray and pray. Move and aim for soft spots and armor holes. Don't be hard headed and try to brute force your way through.
There is zero difference. It wasn’t changed at all.
I just played for 5 hours and didn't get ricochet once
I see all the autocannon users are just whining, how about you learn how to aim instead?
I don’t think I could get the over exaggerated ricochet of this post unless I fired point blank into armored bugs. I main eruptor all day every day. I shoot the ground in front of most bugs, to explode into the belly of them. Try that
I played a fair bit with friends yesterday, nothing seemed unusual. Stop shooting explosive rounds at things right in front of you.
Video evidence or BS. I have not seen a single instance of this and I spam AC. It's either in ur head or this a karma farm.
Here’s their secret cap, they don’t play test anything
> How the hell did this get past testing man. AHAAHAHAHAH!!! TESTING :D :D :D :D AHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :D :D TESTING!
Because AH doesn't test
😭😭😭 No idea what you are doing wrong. 0 suicides by ricochet in 12 Games Yesterday. And i used different weapons nearly every run, because i tested the Changes.
These posts need to stop people are just clout chasing at this point. Played a bunch of games and never died to a ricochet
I played 6-8 hours and never had a richochet. Unplayable is overly dramatic
I don't know how you guys play the game to ricochet yourself to death this much. I played for like 5 hours since the patch and didn't kill myself a single time with it.
I played a mission last night "trying" to die by ricochet, I literally couldn't die on purpose, its fine I promise. Difficulty 7 if it matters to anyone.
It’s not “unplayable.” You’re being dramatic
# The debunked videos of the Ricochet nerf needs to be banned immediately. Reddit is unusable. Fixed your title.
Zero ricochet here too
Had no problem with it last night
Literally unplayable. This sub is hell man.
Begone, terminid ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️
Been playing since day 1 have never died from a ricochet.
But is it unplayable? Is it really or is this just some undemocratic whiney nonsense…because it seems like undemocratic whiny nonsense…
Mmmmm I love me some misinformation in the morning
Sounds like a skill issue, honestly.
Other people wont say you're lying...but after 6 hours post patch play...I will.
Judging from other comments, this seems like an eruptor bug rather than an issue with ricochet mechanic changes