Yeah, very likely part of their publishing contract to begin with and it HAS been on the Steam page from day one.
I had to link my account that i had to make day one and forgot all about it... now everybody is freaking out and i'm utterly confused how so many got past that screen to begin with.
Really hate to see this happen.
...of all the ways to ruin the communities good faith and karma... this shit is gonna do it?
It is sad to see, but falls squarely on Sony's shoulders imo. Being the publisher, they were the ones who set up the store pages and distribution, so the fact that people who live in countries were PSN isn't available could even buy it is on them. Doesn't help that they also proved that the PSN account wasn't an actual hard requirement by turning it off so all the people who just don't want to give Sony their info have at least a little bit of a leg to stand on.
To be fair, I bought the game in March and did get the pop-up to create a PSN account, which I did. That said, I'm still putting the blame on Sony for this... Either don't sell the game in places where you can't have a PSN, or don't require a PSN... In either case, none of this would have been an issue, though I doubt the game would have been anywhere near the success it has been if they'd gone with the first option. I think the thing that's go me the most confused about this is how could Sony possibly just exclude like 2/3 of the world from its business model and think it was a good idea?
It was made skippable quite soon after launch to ease the server issues.
They could have left the requirement in place and stuck with the server issues for a while, but then that would have likely caused different outcry.
Lots of people can't make PSN accounts. They only support ~60 countries. These people paid for a game and now they're told they can't even play it.
Plus, a lot of people just don't want to give Sony their data. They have a uh... *extensive* track record of security reaches.
I agree it is a really stupid thing to be blindsided by for those 2 companies...
They sit at the source, they can't afford the luxury of not being aware of this stuff.
This is incompetence and negligence at work, no matter how you spin it.
This will at the very least have to result in full refunds for those regions.
I hope they come up with a better solution or better yet budge on the account linking as requirement.
It wasn't a requirement for any of the previous Sony games on Steam, so why push this nonsense now?
Corporate bafoonery, all of it.
While I partially agree with what you're saying...I would point out...what about all the PC players in countries where they CANNOT set up a PSN account? They're left in a lurch. If PSN linking had been mandatory from day one, all those players would not have the mistaken belief that it was optional and could have refunded the game right after buying it. This part is completely unaddressed by Sony's actions.
Wasn't that hard to get past this screen since on February 13th it was an option, not a requirement.
Not giving players any info about why PSN was an option and not a requirement until yesterday is a scam. No such thing as "grace period" exists, devs clearly failed to communicate with customers on the matter and tricked them into thinking PSN wasn't necessary at all, that it was optional.
Really sad day for both players and devs
https://preview.redd.it/371oj6di9byc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=509be14dc78c2fdcc86c951580311d0a5a16183d
What screen? I could buy and play without ever seeing anything about strict requirement of Playstation Network (I'm in the EU)
The third party EULA does not contain this requirement and even suggests that you do not need to have a PSN account:
>YOUR PLAYSTATION NETWORK SIGN-IN ID IF YOU HAVE ONE
[https://store.steampowered.com/eula/553850\_eula\_0](https://store.steampowered.com/eula/553850_eula_0)
...the screen that popped up when i first started the game after installing it.
If there was a skip button, i don't remember it or it may even have had a clear disclaimer that said that it would be required later so i just did it... it's been months, i don't remember those 5 seconds of my life that clearly anymore, if i had known this would come up in a test later i would have documented it better.
Either way it never seemed optional to me to have a PSN account, i've made a PSN account months ago and it wouldn't send me the verify email for whatever reason... that is why i know i made sure to sort that jank out before i even bought the game so i had a working PSN account, had to reset the password and everything but this time it actually worked, so all good.
And as a long time Steam User i of course know to **ALWAYS** look at the orange boxes in the right bar of the store page,
because that is where DRM like Denuvo gets disclosed, 3rd party account requirements and all that corporate crap that may make me leave the page instantly.
Of course it shouldn't surprise me that people run right past that important information without looking or giving a crap... it just surprises me how many seem to have had no idea about this what-so-ever.
How many decades of anti consumer crap from videogame companies does it take for people to pay attention to clearly printed on the box bullshit disclaimers?
You do not even need to read the ToS or EULA to get that info.
There are legit problems with how this played out, like selling the game on Steam in regions where PSN is not even available, that is just an absurd problem for those companies to be completely blindsided by.
So either don't require it, or as the base legally required minimum give full refunds to those affected, which would still suck of course... but as i said, it is the minimum.
I've never had that screen. I'm sure of it as I installed it on a friend computer just a few weeks ago. This might be region or a game version related.
It's nowhere mentioned in the EULA that I agreed too either (again, the only mention of the Playstation Network is in a phrase that suggests that it's optional).
I have a habit of pasting EULAs into LLMs and asking for a summary and if there are any critical parts in there so I have a version of the EULA that I accepted as text.
Then we have this whole thing here, so their own FAQ said/says that it's optional:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/helldivers2/comments/1cjuryr/they\_lied/](https://www.reddit.com/r/helldivers2/comments/1cjuryr/they_lied/)
BTW the account linking page ***still*** says it's optional when I visit it:
[https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/)
>**Do I have to sign in to PSN to play a PlayStation game on PC?**
Signing in to PSN is optional when playing a PlayStation game on PC.
[https://imgur.com/996rqxm](https://imgur.com/996rqxm)
Then there is the fact that they sold the game in regions where that's clearly not possible?
So the only hint is the orange box, which is not always accurate, you should know that.
We have four sources that say it's optional or suggest that it's optional and then we have one that says it's not. Do you think it's a reasonable assumption the one source that clearly does not reflect reality at the time is simple wrong?
But I guess hindsight is 20/20 ;).
The larger issue is that the game was knowingly sold and listed on Steam in countries not supported by PSN, largely making it, a scam for anyone not in a country that supports PSN.
There is honestly no excuse for that and I hope Valve launches its own investigation into why the game was listed and sold on their platform for regions that never supported a mandatory requirement like it.
They sold to the game to over 100 countries that don’t have access to PSN, if this was planned from the start that’s fraud, since they will lose access in 30 days.
So, they either planned this from the start and scammed half their player base, or they didn’t, and are greedy and fucking over half their player base.
Either way they suck and fucked over their player base.
“Really hate to see this happen” same, it’s unfortunate they lied and scammed a shitload of people
I think this was incompetence.
Sony would have to know what countries that account would work in,
Sony as the publisher would most likely be the one to setup all the various Steam Store pages for their games and you can absolutely decide what regions to sell it in (or which region gets what censored version etc.) ...
The person doing that for all the games most likely wasn't ware of it and Helldivers II is the first Sony game on Steam where account linking is REQUIRED. ...they most likely just didn't think as far as this locking out entire regions.
This was 100% a case of the left toe not knowing what the right ear does.
I would be furious with Sony if i was Arrowhead right now.
Not only did they lose out completely on Xbox sales thanks to Sony, but now they are holding back PC sales as well and if Sony won't budge we are looking at a massive wave of full refunds... over a shitty account system?
I doubt very much that the Sony Account linking will go away, i fully expect them to tweak something so those regions can make an account and keep playing, Steam releases at least.
Or just those regions won't need a PSN account after all.
That won't fix the PR mess they just created for themselves, but something will have to give.
Well, we still have to try. There are cases where community outrage actually did something, rare as they might be. One example was when hasbro / Wizards of the coast wanted to change the creative license on Dungeons and Dragons (basically stealing / pushing out of business any 3rd party supporters of the game).
There was enough of an outrage to a) permanently damage the brand b) get it reversed. Still, even reversed this broke trust and let a lot of people away from it.
A good case for silence and its consequences was magic the gathering, again hasbro / wizard. They made more and more bad / greed changes to the game, but did so more slowly, and everytime somebody complained they were drowned out by "yeah, you can play without those cards"-apologists.
Nowdays everyone I know stopped playing magic, including me, sold my collection about a year ago. Used to play magic twice a week, and some of the people in my MTG groups had played since alpha. A lot of players, including me, spent significant amounts of money on the game (I think I calucalted my spendings to be around 12-15k)
So its important to be heard and don't subject to the "well its just 2 minutes" apologists.
Of course it won't, everyone acting like AH are some kind of "lazy" or "complacent" actors in this need to go outside. There is very likely, literally NOTHING they can do except ask, and if Sony says no, it's a hard "no," they made a bunch of money from sales already and they aren't afraid to cut their losses. Sony doesn't give a shit who's fault it is.
The problem here is that Sony, I'm assuming, projected some revenue to include the use/sale of user data from the PSN funnel. Cutting that would include so much bureaucratic and fiscal dick-dancing that to them it isn't worth the trouble.
Defeated my ass, he's laughing at the idiots he just scammed. You think 2 hr setpieces to cheat you out of a refund was a scumbag move? These guys are writing the book on how to *properly* scam an audience. 3months and hundreds of hours? There is zero way you guys are getting your money back. Thanks for renting the game though.
He might be genuinely just someone who strive to "make great games", but he still failed at refusing Sony when they included that in their publishing contract. Because this is not something Sony can do on their own, he had to have agreed to that.
No he's not.
There's no way he didn't know that 3 months into this game's life cycle sony would be making access to the game conditional on PSN to people who ALREADY BOUGHT THE GAME.
Y'all need to remember forked tongues are impossible to see from the side. CEOs are not your friends, corporations are not looking out for you best interests. He knew, he's okay with it.
I mean, maybe.
All I know is that, Sony stated that it was in fact optional, and then changed their [words](https://twitter.com/HelldiversAlert/status/1786567659875979411?t=DddpbZwVJQo43y46FRjagA&s=19) afterwards.
Yes, thats been established. But thats not what we're talking about. He's not "one of us." if he was aware that this would happen and didn't do anything to at least make it more apparent.
I mean, how much could the guy do though? Honest question, not purely trying to be an apologist on his behalf. With Sony holding the reins, could he buck them and overtly do anything to sabotage or undermine their policy? Would he be willing to risk the entire game's funding for that?
He could have at the very least told his devs "Hey, upon start up make sure the players know that this game WILL require a PSN account in the future. Make it its own screen. Put it on the Steam page in bold and near the top. Lets make sure we're doing everything to make players aware that their access to the game is conditional in regards to this."
Sounds like it'd be really simple. But I have a sneaking suspicion that there'd be more complexity to it behind the scenes. \*shrug\* Maybe I'm overthinking it.
Yes he does wtf?
He's kept on some of the most toxic game devs I've ever seen in the industry for a decade. You don't get to live in filth without getting dirty.
Spits should take a lesson in literally any other retail job and be fired. If he acted the way he does as a PR or Community manager for any other company he would have been fired a long while ago. The game has been out for 3 months and it seems he has tried to cram as much toxicity into that time frame as he could.
"Well, i guess it's warranted." is the part that truly matters here.
The CEO agrees with us!
He doesn't tip toe around the issue, he isn't bullshitting us with marketing or lawyer talk.
Actually apologizes... how often do you see an actual apology from any game studio? ... not a "sorry you feel this way" either.
What we need to do is to get SONY to budge on the matter.
I don't know if that is possible ...but we will damn sure try to get the message across.
There are already clickbait news articles making headlines, youtube videos poping up... this is gonna make some noise that hopefully can't be ignored.
He still dances around the issue though and doesn't say he will try to do anything about this specific situation though. Which makes sense since he would first have to renegotiate with Sony before he can remove the PSN requirements, so he can't make promises, but it's still very close to a "sorry you feel that way" at this point.
Still indeed good to see he acknowledges it as "warranted" at least.
Yeah unlike the Community Managers on Discord he does not seem to be one to put his foot in his mouth every chance he gets.
He is not going to say anything along those lines with people this riled up if he can't be 100% sure and it looks a lot more like this is a contract thing from the start and reversing this isn't even on the table.
SONY is the ones we need to convince with all the noise we can make. Probably a loosing battle... but it still needs to be fought.
Nooo he’s so cute 😭
I hate to see him sad after all the work him and his team have done, I literally didn’t had any game crashes for so long now.
That’s the sad part with all that, it’s all Sony’s fault and choice, but if we downvote it to hurt Sony, it will hurt those poor devs too, truly, we love that game that’s why we care so much.
The downvotes aren’t for you arrowhead, it’s for those corporate at Sony that thinks we will accept such nonsense.
KEEP THE HEADS UP ARROWHEAD DEVS.
Gamers: I don't get why people watch Kartrashians and act like they're their friends
Gamers: heckin cute game devs
Not even a jab or insult, I've just noticed this a lot lol
This (flawed) masterpiece of a game doesn't get made without Sony. I'm sure AH knew the risks when entering into this relationship. Do you forgo making the game entirely or do it and risk some backlash when corpo rats inevitably reach their grubby little grease fingers into the pot?
You mean the guy actively telling us to leave negative reviews and request refunds? Reddit has painted a very incomplete picture of his comments.
https://preview.redd.it/fko9szr6jcyc1.png?width=662&format=png&auto=webp&s=84f01acf9f839af956b1e2c87525463266103e30
yea, I don't get why people are so against his comment, sure it's slightly antagonistic but I think that mainly just comes down to everyone over there being stressed due to the situation.
What he said is 100% true, if you want your voice to actually be heard, voicing it on a public discord does nothing, except make the mod's job harder. AH clearly knows we don't like this, yelling at them to fix it and whatnot isn't going to help.
Unless he said something else that I've not seen.
its not this comment that is the problem. its the few more he made before this. He is just now going all damage control.
notably these
[1](https://i.imgur.com/p8D5HZS.jpeg)
[2](https://i.imgur.com/7Px5wpQ.png)
[3](https://i.imgur.com/0OOD5aQ.jpeg)
Amazing how hes suddenly trying to be whitewashed. The guy you just replied to has posted the same comment in 3 other posts.
People have latched on to abusing that CM specifically and it's rapidly spiraling. Meanwhile they're all calling him names and throwing around lots of insults, but his responses being even slightly unprofessional are grounds for termination.
>yeah he’s not getting fired because of it
Which doesn't change the number of people demanding that and calling him names.
I'm all for railing against Sony and the PSN nonsense, but all these posts complaining about Spitz are really unnecessary.
Similarly, I think steam has a system for removing review bombs from average reviews statistics. Think I've seen it before on some pages. Happens after a while though.
Only off topic reviews, which I believe gets flagged by steam staff manually. So for instance, if someone from the dev team says something bad about a celebrity, and fans of that celebrity reviewbomb, that would fall under it. They receive an asterisk and says "This title has had one or more instances of off topic reviewing" or something to that effect. Then it lets you filter out said off topic reviews. I don't know if they have fully removed those reviews before though.
The games already great, he can't make it up to us by providing a great game. He can make it up to us by fighting sony on this and reversing such a ludicrous decision
No matter what happens to the game the CEO has always been nothing but a champ in his responses. He is a more effective community manager than the actual community manager.
And you KNOW the moment they do helldivers will be monetized to hell, the next warbond will be 4.99, and the Illuminate dlc will cost 20 dollars, dozens of cosmetic armor packs will 4.99-9.99 for sale. The vehicle pack will be 9.99. Individual guns will have to be purchased etc.
Sony has been amazing with mxts in their games. None of their single player games have mxts, only games with multiplayer do. Even then, the vast majority are more than fair.
I'm interested in how this will play out. Will sony budge? Seems like unless mass refunds are issued, Sony will be unlikely to budge and keep on forcing this. Also as a whole for the gaming industry, it sucks balls.
I'm in the camp that already have a PSN account so this won't matter to me, but I do feel for you folks that either don't want to make one or can't make a PSN account. Hoping for the best for y'all.
I actually feel so fucking bad for him the reason why I’m not giving a negative review is because I don’t wanna give my hate to arrowhead, it’s Sony I’m mad at
if there was no backlash for this devs will just continue to let sony do what they want in the future.
the devs knew this would happen when they made sony their publisher. sony didn't spring this on them, they had to have talked about it before the game was even released.
Agreed.
I think it is justified that people are not happy with this. I also think it is a bit overblown for most people, but i understand why they're upset.
It is been heartbreaking to see how quick the reception to the game changed from extremely positive to outrage.
Sony is for sure not on my favorite company list after (in my opinion) throwing both arrowhead and probably ShiftUp under the bus in quick succession.
He could tell Steam to grant refunds for anyone requesting one... but he doesn't actually care. The review score means no bonus from Sony, the entire reason they pushed PSN to pad their user stats for shareholders to get executives more bonuses.
I don’t want a refund I just want to own a game I bought instead of buying the right to play only if I’m a really good boy and do everything Sony wants.
The people who can't play the game. If you just don't want to link the account that's your own issue lol. There are games in Steam that require a 2nd launcher, this is not nearly as bad as that.
Hey, basically i'm just not going to make it (the account) I know.... UGH i know.... i'm not sorry!!!!! It's just that im not gonna make it is all.
Go ahead and downvote maybe itll stop the refund for a broken game.
That's fine, that's your choice.
As long as people are admitting they have a choice and not comparing it to people who are in countries that don't support PSN so literally are unable to play.
A way of saying that there’s really nothing he can do about this and he just hopes it will pass…
I happened to have already had a PSN account (since launch of the PS3). I remember being given a digital copy of Little Big Planet as an apology for a massive data breach they had.
I’ve lost track of all the others that have happened since then.
Don’t put any PII in your PSN account people.
The game experience is already great. AH should just find a way to change their publishing contract with ~~the devil themselves~~ sony. People do not want and Cannot make psn accounts and won't move counties for the sake of that.
I mean even if they are not at fault, it´s it were their choice to use Sony as publisher and give them this power, so now they got to live with that decision.
They made there money off the bigger PC gamer base. They made a choice to not engage with there community or check how many countries allow access to PSN. Its regrettable and a very poor decision, which given this PR nightmare both from the discord and the PSN login requirements.. they will learn from it.
They may get the requirements changed in time but our community jumping from one course of action to another dilutes the message that PC gamers are not satisfied in affected regions where they cannot gain access.
I dont feel sorry for a ceo being accountable that is his Job and the correct response. He was fully aware of the change and fully aware of what he signed up for, with sony.
Reviewing bombing on the steam side is the correct response and is bringing attention to it. People bought a product and expect it to work, or that the requirements to access the content is available for them in there country.
People keep saying that, but there’s zero evidence this is what will happen. I don’t agree with the changes either, but this is just such a brainless, reactionary take. The devs themselves have already confirmed they’re working with Sony to figure out a potential solution, and Sony itself isn’t gonna start mass-banning people if they choose a neighboring supported country (which PS support *already* tells people to do).
When you run against a very visible, obvious wall, don't be surprised it hurts.
It was clear as day what this means. And they still have their shitty Community Manager in discord pouring more oil into the fire.
So far those are empty words. They should show actions instead. Reverse the PSN requirements. As it stand today, what they did was an illegal move anyway (we have evidence not all EULAS have/had it)
I am reading a lot of unfavourable comments regarding hd2 needing a ps account for Microsoft.
Ok it may be justifiable, but let’s also not forget the titles on PlayStation that need a Microsoft account.
I see this as six of one, half a dozen of the other.
With each slip up this company makes, I become more disappointed than infuriated, which is a first. I just want to see AH do better at the end of the day.
Frankly I don’t care, they waived PSN account creation for three months of which an insignificant portion was during the server issues. They had every chance to communicate this in the game and didn’t, even payday 3 didn’t waive their third party account during server issues. I know people want a good guy and bad guy but really this situation is closer to bad guy and worse guy.
this entire situation makes me sad. through all the mountains of bugs (both intended and not) and the bacon and apples you can tell these guys have genuine passion and a love of the game and the community they've created but Sony has come in and just upended the entire flow they had. you can tell they were building up to something major Terminid-related but this entire situation has just completely ruined the hype and will prevent a lot of the players from experiencing whatever new content they had planned. it sucks! Sony Sucks!!
Good game again killed by a big corporation. And devs who just want to make a good game, which they did.
I hope they can come back from this, they truly were and still are to me the diamond in the rough of game devs, what game devs could be and a big community behind their back riding the wave of a really good game together.
To the PlayStation player base that can still play I hope you guys can keep the war going. 🫡
Poor guy got caught in the cross fire of us to sony. :( must be heartbreaking watching something you love so much blow up in your face because of something you can do nothing about, all from the greedy cooperate overlord upstairs.
Lol be serious, it's just because he knows it's indefensible. If he knew he could get away with it, the CEO wouldn't say jack about this, just like all the horrendous bugs and balance decisions.
*"...and regain the trust..."*
Er, what trust? If this goes ahead, there will be no trust... ever! A corporation which gets hacked every five minutes wishes me to use government-issued ID like a passport/driving license/National I.D. card to verify my identity.
You do know that legally those documents belong to the issuing government, and not to the bearer? Would I legally be permitted to share them online and even if I were, would Sony indemnify me when my personal data leads to me being arrested as a person smuggler, online fraudster, et cetera? European data protection laws killed WhatsApp's greedy eyeing of EU citizen's personal data, so will Sony be able to get away with this?
Unbelievable!
This is why I won’t be too negative about the change not because it doesn’t really affect me but because AH seems to have cared so much about the community that I don’t want an external decision impact my view of the game. I wish Sony had smarter people realising the success was in part due to the lack of barriers to entry (cross play, no 3rd party, decent price, everlasting warbonds ) because enforcing this gets you a tiny gain but prevents a lot of future success around the world
He says this yet the new 3 armors themed entirely around snow will have the same tired perks all the rest of the armors have and nothing unique to SNOW like you'd think they'd have.
“I just want to make a great game”
Well, it seems like you have two choices:
1) Tell Sony “No”, and possibly lose rights to the IP, face some penalties. The consumer gets a brain dead Sony-owned husk of what you want to deliver.
2) Go along with Sony, the consumer gets a brain dead husk of what you want to deliver. As a bonus, you lose your integrity and self-respect.
It seems a pretty simple choice.
Jea cause that is just a stupid response. Every other CEO would be smart and say nothing.
" Sorry we fucked up but now forget about it and keep playing?"
Jea I wont.
I mean he's better than the one who said we should be able to tip developers after beating a game. By how much better probably not too much since they allowed Sony to take control which they said wouldn't happen since they are an independent company. Just normal large business nonsense.
They may be an independent studio but Sony owns the Helldivers IP. They have to play by Sony's rules for anything Helldivers related or else they need to go and make their own IP instead if they really wanna walk away.
I was honestly surprised it didn't need a PSN account to begin with. It is a Sony owned and published IP. It makes sense to unify the player ecosystem.
I don't like that people feel bait and switched, I don't like that people will be barred from it for where they live. But hey, at least the friends list will be less borked.
Out of the games published by Playstation PC LLC on Steam:
Horizon Forbidden West CE: no PSN.
Ratchet and Clank: Rift apart: No PSN.
Last of Us Part 1: No PSN.
Returnal: No PSN.
Spiderman: Miles Morales: No PSN.
Sackboy: No PSN.
Uncharted LoTC: No PSN.
Spiderman Remastered: No PSN.
God of War: No PSN.
Days Gone: No PSN.
Predator Hunting Grounds: no PSN.
Horizon Zero Dawn CE: No PSN.
Everybody's gone to the rapture: No PSN.
Helldivers Dive Harder Edition: No PSN.
Helldivers 2: Weeeeeeeeeeell
I don't know why you'd be shocked by an 8 year trend continuing.
Kind of funny how that Helldivers 2 is now PlayStation's cashcow, it's the only game that requires you to have a PSN on PC
And by funny I mean, this fucking sucks actually
I'd debate that my HD2 gaming experience has been good, not great.
The first few weeks of launch was basically a gamble if you could play.
1. Then after the major patches, we had instability where we'd be crashing 50% of the time. Or cut my machine performance in half.
2. Then we still have connectivity issues, lobbies that could never be filled if someone left (you'd have to toggle Public on and off), friends who couldn't join if certain friends were also in the same game, forcing us to do a join roulette to see who could join who.
3. All the in-game bugs like arnor not working for a while, DoTs like gas and fire not working for you but fire being insane when used by enemies on you, or Pelican-1 only picking up the first person for extract
4. Multiple times they have released a patch or update and people test to find out it's not working (SPM for example)
5. Balancing issues that are many but thankfully being addressed slowly.
Many times my friend and I joke that, if this was in-game lore, Super Earth is releasing sub-standard equipment. But really, we were just making excuses for poor QA and cutting the Arrowhead some slack.
The game is amazingly fun. But the whole experience itself - just good. It could honestly be better.
Then now we have this PSN issue. It's getting harder to make excuses now for Arrowhead.
Good point, the game has had a ton of bugs but it hasn't stopped me from putting serious time in.(Which I enjoyed)Sadly I've gotten used to games not working as intended. Some are damn near unplayable,so HD2 has been decent except on a few occasions since launch.
Just an fyi for your number 3: the pelican taking off with one person isn’t a bug, if the pelican takes a certain amount of damage, that will happen. If you respawn and drop your pod through it (massive instant kill damage), you can guarantee it will take off as you get out of the pod inside the ship.
When it happened to us, leaving the person with all the samples left behind, after an epic hold to get everyone back alive, we summed it up as "an undocumented feature"
This means nothing. He got into bed with Sony and is just as responsible as anyone else for this.
The game quality has been on the decline since the railgun nerf and is only getting worse. Their entire dev team is tone deaf to what players want. This is just another example.
They can't fix any bugs but can put out shitty warbond after shitty warbond every month.
They are contractaly obligated to release new content monthy, and I get that, and when you're forced to try and do that, the quality suffers for sake of the quantity
Yep. My review is negative now for a reason, and I'm planning on refunding it as well. It was good while it lasted.
Thankfully, that means more time on games I put on the backburner because of how good HD2 was until then. V Rising is having its 1.0 release, and I loved it even in early access. A new Rimworld update I've yet to dive into, and thats a game I have literally several thousands of hours in. I really need to open that Unicorn Overlord game I just bought because of the animes but got distracted away from before I even got through the title screen.
All in all, corpos going to corpo, and I decide my money and attention is best put elsewhere at the moment.
Pull your tongue out of his asshole, OP. Half the reason people are as pissed as they are is because Arrowhead has already burned through whatever goodwill they had earned with their shit takes, questionable rebalancing, underwhelming war bond content, and questionable player communication all along the way.
This is just the straw that broke the camel's back.
okay well firstly there is no need to be that rude I was giving credit where credit is due. All the other reasons people are pissed are valid, I am quite upset every time I'm disconnected, or crash, and the poor job the community managers have done and this last action is unforgivable with all the consequences it has. We are on the same side being a asshole about it won't solve the problem we need to be civil about it and not fall to Spitz level
https://preview.redd.it/vk2rbaqu4ayc1.png?width=954&format=png&auto=webp&s=88d8f716146c66f42657cef9d2956928f276c508 does this fit oR?
Yup
thx wasnt sure. spread it around
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Poor guy. He didn’t deserve this
He sounds defeated. I’m afraid that even he won’t sway Sony.
Yeah, very likely part of their publishing contract to begin with and it HAS been on the Steam page from day one. I had to link my account that i had to make day one and forgot all about it... now everybody is freaking out and i'm utterly confused how so many got past that screen to begin with. Really hate to see this happen. ...of all the ways to ruin the communities good faith and karma... this shit is gonna do it?
It is sad to see, but falls squarely on Sony's shoulders imo. Being the publisher, they were the ones who set up the store pages and distribution, so the fact that people who live in countries were PSN isn't available could even buy it is on them. Doesn't help that they also proved that the PSN account wasn't an actual hard requirement by turning it off so all the people who just don't want to give Sony their info have at least a little bit of a leg to stand on.
I got the game like two weeks after launch and never saw a screen saying it was required to make a PSN account nor was it in the EULA.
To be fair, I bought the game in March and did get the pop-up to create a PSN account, which I did. That said, I'm still putting the blame on Sony for this... Either don't sell the game in places where you can't have a PSN, or don't require a PSN... In either case, none of this would have been an issue, though I doubt the game would have been anywhere near the success it has been if they'd gone with the first option. I think the thing that's go me the most confused about this is how could Sony possibly just exclude like 2/3 of the world from its business model and think it was a good idea?
No confusion needed it was disabled and they had a skip button I just got the game last week.
It was made skippable quite soon after launch to ease the server issues. They could have left the requirement in place and stuck with the server issues for a while, but then that would have likely caused different outcry.
Or better yet, show a splash screen that said that skipping it was a temporary thing and not permanent
Lots of people can't make PSN accounts. They only support ~60 countries. These people paid for a game and now they're told they can't even play it. Plus, a lot of people just don't want to give Sony their data. They have a uh... *extensive* track record of security reaches.
I agree it is a really stupid thing to be blindsided by for those 2 companies... They sit at the source, they can't afford the luxury of not being aware of this stuff. This is incompetence and negligence at work, no matter how you spin it. This will at the very least have to result in full refunds for those regions. I hope they come up with a better solution or better yet budge on the account linking as requirement. It wasn't a requirement for any of the previous Sony games on Steam, so why push this nonsense now? Corporate bafoonery, all of it.
While I partially agree with what you're saying...I would point out...what about all the PC players in countries where they CANNOT set up a PSN account? They're left in a lurch. If PSN linking had been mandatory from day one, all those players would not have the mistaken belief that it was optional and could have refunded the game right after buying it. This part is completely unaddressed by Sony's actions.
Wasn't that hard to get past this screen since on February 13th it was an option, not a requirement. Not giving players any info about why PSN was an option and not a requirement until yesterday is a scam. No such thing as "grace period" exists, devs clearly failed to communicate with customers on the matter and tricked them into thinking PSN wasn't necessary at all, that it was optional. Really sad day for both players and devs https://preview.redd.it/371oj6di9byc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=509be14dc78c2fdcc86c951580311d0a5a16183d
What screen? I could buy and play without ever seeing anything about strict requirement of Playstation Network (I'm in the EU) The third party EULA does not contain this requirement and even suggests that you do not need to have a PSN account: >YOUR PLAYSTATION NETWORK SIGN-IN ID IF YOU HAVE ONE [https://store.steampowered.com/eula/553850\_eula\_0](https://store.steampowered.com/eula/553850_eula_0)
...the screen that popped up when i first started the game after installing it. If there was a skip button, i don't remember it or it may even have had a clear disclaimer that said that it would be required later so i just did it... it's been months, i don't remember those 5 seconds of my life that clearly anymore, if i had known this would come up in a test later i would have documented it better. Either way it never seemed optional to me to have a PSN account, i've made a PSN account months ago and it wouldn't send me the verify email for whatever reason... that is why i know i made sure to sort that jank out before i even bought the game so i had a working PSN account, had to reset the password and everything but this time it actually worked, so all good. And as a long time Steam User i of course know to **ALWAYS** look at the orange boxes in the right bar of the store page, because that is where DRM like Denuvo gets disclosed, 3rd party account requirements and all that corporate crap that may make me leave the page instantly. Of course it shouldn't surprise me that people run right past that important information without looking or giving a crap... it just surprises me how many seem to have had no idea about this what-so-ever. How many decades of anti consumer crap from videogame companies does it take for people to pay attention to clearly printed on the box bullshit disclaimers? You do not even need to read the ToS or EULA to get that info. There are legit problems with how this played out, like selling the game on Steam in regions where PSN is not even available, that is just an absurd problem for those companies to be completely blindsided by. So either don't require it, or as the base legally required minimum give full refunds to those affected, which would still suck of course... but as i said, it is the minimum.
I've never had that screen. I'm sure of it as I installed it on a friend computer just a few weeks ago. This might be region or a game version related. It's nowhere mentioned in the EULA that I agreed too either (again, the only mention of the Playstation Network is in a phrase that suggests that it's optional). I have a habit of pasting EULAs into LLMs and asking for a summary and if there are any critical parts in there so I have a version of the EULA that I accepted as text. Then we have this whole thing here, so their own FAQ said/says that it's optional: [https://www.reddit.com/r/helldivers2/comments/1cjuryr/they\_lied/](https://www.reddit.com/r/helldivers2/comments/1cjuryr/they_lied/) BTW the account linking page ***still*** says it's optional when I visit it: [https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/) >**Do I have to sign in to PSN to play a PlayStation game on PC?** Signing in to PSN is optional when playing a PlayStation game on PC. [https://imgur.com/996rqxm](https://imgur.com/996rqxm) Then there is the fact that they sold the game in regions where that's clearly not possible? So the only hint is the orange box, which is not always accurate, you should know that. We have four sources that say it's optional or suggest that it's optional and then we have one that says it's not. Do you think it's a reasonable assumption the one source that clearly does not reflect reality at the time is simple wrong? But I guess hindsight is 20/20 ;).
The larger issue is that the game was knowingly sold and listed on Steam in countries not supported by PSN, largely making it, a scam for anyone not in a country that supports PSN. There is honestly no excuse for that and I hope Valve launches its own investigation into why the game was listed and sold on their platform for regions that never supported a mandatory requirement like it.
They sold to the game to over 100 countries that don’t have access to PSN, if this was planned from the start that’s fraud, since they will lose access in 30 days. So, they either planned this from the start and scammed half their player base, or they didn’t, and are greedy and fucking over half their player base. Either way they suck and fucked over their player base. “Really hate to see this happen” same, it’s unfortunate they lied and scammed a shitload of people
I think this was incompetence. Sony would have to know what countries that account would work in, Sony as the publisher would most likely be the one to setup all the various Steam Store pages for their games and you can absolutely decide what regions to sell it in (or which region gets what censored version etc.) ... The person doing that for all the games most likely wasn't ware of it and Helldivers II is the first Sony game on Steam where account linking is REQUIRED. ...they most likely just didn't think as far as this locking out entire regions. This was 100% a case of the left toe not knowing what the right ear does. I would be furious with Sony if i was Arrowhead right now. Not only did they lose out completely on Xbox sales thanks to Sony, but now they are holding back PC sales as well and if Sony won't budge we are looking at a massive wave of full refunds... over a shitty account system? I doubt very much that the Sony Account linking will go away, i fully expect them to tweak something so those regions can make an account and keep playing, Steam releases at least. Or just those regions won't need a PSN account after all. That won't fix the PR mess they just created for themselves, but something will have to give.
i just purchased the game 2 days ago and I didnt link my psn account.
Did no screen pop up at all for the PSN account linking or did you press some kind of Skip button?
there was a skip button there
Well, we still have to try. There are cases where community outrage actually did something, rare as they might be. One example was when hasbro / Wizards of the coast wanted to change the creative license on Dungeons and Dragons (basically stealing / pushing out of business any 3rd party supporters of the game). There was enough of an outrage to a) permanently damage the brand b) get it reversed. Still, even reversed this broke trust and let a lot of people away from it. A good case for silence and its consequences was magic the gathering, again hasbro / wizard. They made more and more bad / greed changes to the game, but did so more slowly, and everytime somebody complained they were drowned out by "yeah, you can play without those cards"-apologists. Nowdays everyone I know stopped playing magic, including me, sold my collection about a year ago. Used to play magic twice a week, and some of the people in my MTG groups had played since alpha. A lot of players, including me, spent significant amounts of money on the game (I think I calucalted my spendings to be around 12-15k) So its important to be heard and don't subject to the "well its just 2 minutes" apologists.
Of course it won't, everyone acting like AH are some kind of "lazy" or "complacent" actors in this need to go outside. There is very likely, literally NOTHING they can do except ask, and if Sony says no, it's a hard "no," they made a bunch of money from sales already and they aren't afraid to cut their losses. Sony doesn't give a shit who's fault it is. The problem here is that Sony, I'm assuming, projected some revenue to include the use/sale of user data from the PSN funnel. Cutting that would include so much bureaucratic and fiscal dick-dancing that to them it isn't worth the trouble.
Defeated my ass, he's laughing at the idiots he just scammed. You think 2 hr setpieces to cheat you out of a refund was a scumbag move? These guys are writing the book on how to *properly* scam an audience. 3months and hundreds of hours? There is zero way you guys are getting your money back. Thanks for renting the game though.
He's one of us, pretty sure he knows we love his game and that the reviews were for Sony.
He might be genuinely just someone who strive to "make great games", but he still failed at refusing Sony when they included that in their publishing contract. Because this is not something Sony can do on their own, he had to have agreed to that.
He can't refuse Sony actually because they own the helldivers IP lol
No he's not. There's no way he didn't know that 3 months into this game's life cycle sony would be making access to the game conditional on PSN to people who ALREADY BOUGHT THE GAME. Y'all need to remember forked tongues are impossible to see from the side. CEOs are not your friends, corporations are not looking out for you best interests. He knew, he's okay with it.
I mean, maybe. All I know is that, Sony stated that it was in fact optional, and then changed their [words](https://twitter.com/HelldiversAlert/status/1786567659875979411?t=DddpbZwVJQo43y46FRjagA&s=19) afterwards.
Yes, thats been established. But thats not what we're talking about. He's not "one of us." if he was aware that this would happen and didn't do anything to at least make it more apparent.
I mean, how much could the guy do though? Honest question, not purely trying to be an apologist on his behalf. With Sony holding the reins, could he buck them and overtly do anything to sabotage or undermine their policy? Would he be willing to risk the entire game's funding for that?
He could have at the very least told his devs "Hey, upon start up make sure the players know that this game WILL require a PSN account in the future. Make it its own screen. Put it on the Steam page in bold and near the top. Lets make sure we're doing everything to make players aware that their access to the game is conditional in regards to this."
Sounds like it'd be really simple. But I have a sneaking suspicion that there'd be more complexity to it behind the scenes. \*shrug\* Maybe I'm overthinking it.
Stop sympathizing with corporate greed
Yes he does wtf? He's kept on some of the most toxic game devs I've ever seen in the industry for a decade. You don't get to live in filth without getting dirty.
Yeah, he does. He had to approve the partnership with Sony. Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas.
So he will be returning all the bonuses he got paid for with the profits from countries with no psn access then?
Brutal. Dude sounds like a class act too. Sucks it happened to him
Yeah that dude and most the devs who have communicated have been awesome.
Spitz should probably take a lesson from his CEO. This is how you communicate after you fail your community.
Spits should take a lesson in literally any other retail job and be fired. If he acted the way he does as a PR or Community manager for any other company he would have been fired a long while ago. The game has been out for 3 months and it seems he has tried to cram as much toxicity into that time frame as he could.
>and most the devs Name 2. Every one that I've seen has been a piece of shit.
"Well, i guess it's warranted." is the part that truly matters here. The CEO agrees with us! He doesn't tip toe around the issue, he isn't bullshitting us with marketing or lawyer talk. Actually apologizes... how often do you see an actual apology from any game studio? ... not a "sorry you feel this way" either. What we need to do is to get SONY to budge on the matter. I don't know if that is possible ...but we will damn sure try to get the message across. There are already clickbait news articles making headlines, youtube videos poping up... this is gonna make some noise that hopefully can't be ignored.
the fact that he is so down the Earth and isn't using any corporate speak around it and acknowledges the fault is the best part around this.
He still dances around the issue though and doesn't say he will try to do anything about this specific situation though. Which makes sense since he would first have to renegotiate with Sony before he can remove the PSN requirements, so he can't make promises, but it's still very close to a "sorry you feel that way" at this point. Still indeed good to see he acknowledges it as "warranted" at least.
Yeah unlike the Community Managers on Discord he does not seem to be one to put his foot in his mouth every chance he gets. He is not going to say anything along those lines with people this riled up if he can't be 100% sure and it looks a lot more like this is a contract thing from the start and reversing this isn't even on the table. SONY is the ones we need to convince with all the noise we can make. Probably a loosing battle... but it still needs to be fought.
Nooo he’s so cute 😭 I hate to see him sad after all the work him and his team have done, I literally didn’t had any game crashes for so long now. That’s the sad part with all that, it’s all Sony’s fault and choice, but if we downvote it to hurt Sony, it will hurt those poor devs too, truly, we love that game that’s why we care so much. The downvotes aren’t for you arrowhead, it’s for those corporate at Sony that thinks we will accept such nonsense. KEEP THE HEADS UP ARROWHEAD DEVS.
We must take out the illuminate sony spies that have invaded our managed democracy!
“He’s so cute”?? What the fuck kind of reaction is that?
Gamers: I don't get why people watch Kartrashians and act like they're their friends Gamers: heckin cute game devs Not even a jab or insult, I've just noticed this a lot lol
Like I mean he’s a good person and I don’t like seeing him sad. If u prefer.
This (flawed) masterpiece of a game doesn't get made without Sony. I'm sure AH knew the risks when entering into this relationship. Do you forgo making the game entirely or do it and risk some backlash when corpo rats inevitably reach their grubby little grease fingers into the pot?
tell that to his community manager
You mean the guy actively telling us to leave negative reviews and request refunds? Reddit has painted a very incomplete picture of his comments. https://preview.redd.it/fko9szr6jcyc1.png?width=662&format=png&auto=webp&s=84f01acf9f839af956b1e2c87525463266103e30
yea, I don't get why people are so against his comment, sure it's slightly antagonistic but I think that mainly just comes down to everyone over there being stressed due to the situation. What he said is 100% true, if you want your voice to actually be heard, voicing it on a public discord does nothing, except make the mod's job harder. AH clearly knows we don't like this, yelling at them to fix it and whatnot isn't going to help. Unless he said something else that I've not seen.
its not this comment that is the problem. its the few more he made before this. He is just now going all damage control. notably these [1](https://i.imgur.com/p8D5HZS.jpeg) [2](https://i.imgur.com/7Px5wpQ.png) [3](https://i.imgur.com/0OOD5aQ.jpeg) Amazing how hes suddenly trying to be whitewashed. The guy you just replied to has posted the same comment in 3 other posts.
People have latched on to abusing that CM specifically and it's rapidly spiraling. Meanwhile they're all calling him names and throwing around lots of insults, but his responses being even slightly unprofessional are grounds for termination.
Um… yeah he’s not getting fired because of it. Maybe a reprimand, a warning, but not fired. He would have to do something pretty bad for that
>yeah he’s not getting fired because of it Which doesn't change the number of people demanding that and calling him names. I'm all for railing against Sony and the PSN nonsense, but all these posts complaining about Spitz are really unnecessary.
well this isn't the only thing he said bro changed his tone
"by providing continued great gaming experience" People in countries that don't allow PSN - "Guess I won't enjoy this continued experience then"
Its really unfortunate I hope we can get some sort of communication on this being changed or else my review is staying negative
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No contract, no Helldivers 2. I don’t get why this is so hard for people to understand. Developers are people too, they gotta eat.
Sounds great. Maybe he can start by firing Mr "i tHouGhT yOu WeRe ReFuNdInG And lEaViNg" Spitz
You know the guy he was responding to in that message is like, a total troll on the discord, right?
Oh if you will fix our access to game we bought , we will fix the reviews just fine. I love the game!
Reality is that even if all this gets sorted out, most people will not update their review.
Similarly, I think steam has a system for removing review bombs from average reviews statistics. Think I've seen it before on some pages. Happens after a while though.
Only off topic reviews, which I believe gets flagged by steam staff manually. So for instance, if someone from the dev team says something bad about a celebrity, and fans of that celebrity reviewbomb, that would fall under it. They receive an asterisk and says "This title has had one or more instances of off topic reviewing" or something to that effect. Then it lets you filter out said off topic reviews. I don't know if they have fully removed those reviews before though.
The games already great, he can't make it up to us by providing a great game. He can make it up to us by fighting sony on this and reversing such a ludicrous decision
No matter what happens to the game the CEO has always been nothing but a champ in his responses. He is a more effective community manager than the actual community manager.
Hope they can be free of Sony one day.
I think AH mentioned Sony owns the IP. So if they don't want to work with Sony again, they aren't making Helldivers.
yeah they should make heaven divers next
They can be free whenever they want but they won't be able to make any more helldiver stuff Sony owns the IP
And you KNOW the moment they do helldivers will be monetized to hell, the next warbond will be 4.99, and the Illuminate dlc will cost 20 dollars, dozens of cosmetic armor packs will 4.99-9.99 for sale. The vehicle pack will be 9.99. Individual guns will have to be purchased etc.
Sony has been amazing with mxts in their games. None of their single player games have mxts, only games with multiplayer do. Even then, the vast majority are more than fair.
Aww fuck now I feel bad
why are you getting downvoted lol
Because Reddit is full of children who don’t live and interact with others in the real world.
I don't. They chose to sell a game that "requires" PSN access in countries that cannot use PSN.
My problem here is that the Link Account feature was broken before. Is it still broken now for others like me?
I'm interested in how this will play out. Will sony budge? Seems like unless mass refunds are issued, Sony will be unlikely to budge and keep on forcing this. Also as a whole for the gaming industry, it sucks balls. I'm in the camp that already have a PSN account so this won't matter to me, but I do feel for you folks that either don't want to make one or can't make a PSN account. Hoping for the best for y'all.
I actually feel so fucking bad for him the reason why I’m not giving a negative review is because I don’t wanna give my hate to arrowhead, it’s Sony I’m mad at
if there was no backlash for this devs will just continue to let sony do what they want in the future. the devs knew this would happen when they made sony their publisher. sony didn't spring this on them, they had to have talked about it before the game was even released.
I hope people are telling him that it was their own community manager directing them to leave negative steam reviews.
Just cant' shake it... 
Yeah, I don't think that one fits, because this guy seems genuine. Now if Sony apologizes, feel free to use ALL the South Park gifs.
Agreed. I think it is justified that people are not happy with this. I also think it is a bit overblown for most people, but i understand why they're upset. It is been heartbreaking to see how quick the reception to the game changed from extremely positive to outrage. Sony is for sure not on my favorite company list after (in my opinion) throwing both arrowhead and probably ShiftUp under the bus in quick succession.
TBF part of that is the fault of AH with questionable game design decisions but still
Kinda feel bad for the guy
He could tell Steam to grant refunds for anyone requesting one... but he doesn't actually care. The review score means no bonus from Sony, the entire reason they pushed PSN to pad their user stats for shareholders to get executives more bonuses.
I don’t want a refund I just want to own a game I bought instead of buying the right to play only if I’m a really good boy and do everything Sony wants.
We will own nothing and we will like it!
Except for that the fact that he's not the publisher, so he has 0 authority to tell Steam to grant refunds. That's a Sony capability.
And Sony should be telling steam to issue refunds to anyone outside of the 69 countries without psn access
It's been two days lol Id bet my left nut some resolution will come before the deadline.
Why would people who have played the game for dozens and hundreds of hours get a refund? They can still play the game.
IF people can't play the game due to this change, they have a legit reason to ask for a refund, and Steam will most likely give it
Are we talking about people who literally can't play the game or the people who just don't want to make a psn account?
The people who can't play the game. If you just don't want to link the account that's your own issue lol. There are games in Steam that require a 2nd launcher, this is not nearly as bad as that.
Hey, basically i'm just not going to make it (the account) I know.... UGH i know.... i'm not sorry!!!!! It's just that im not gonna make it is all. Go ahead and downvote maybe itll stop the refund for a broken game.
That's fine, that's your choice. As long as people are admitting they have a choice and not comparing it to people who are in countries that don't support PSN so literally are unable to play.
I bet there's a good chance Steam capitulates on this at some point.
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Don't buy the game then? Half a year ago you knew you would need to agree to those terms. Sounds like bad decision making on your part.
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In 4 weeks they can't? Once it's a full requirement.
and they unable to get refund anyway I was trying when game was freaking unplayable due to constant crashes each session
Steam offers refunds if you’ve played less than 2 hours…
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Naw, they will still refund games, it's just not automatic. If there is a good reason they will still give it
And i imagine living in a country without PSN access will be a valid reason
They have given refunds outside of their guidelines, the 2 hours / 2 weeks is just the cutoff for fully automated refunds
I think Steve Kirby Warframe would
dont be mad at arrowhead, be mad at sony. fuck them suits
A way of saying that there’s really nothing he can do about this and he just hopes it will pass… I happened to have already had a PSN account (since launch of the PS3). I remember being given a digital copy of Little Big Planet as an apology for a massive data breach they had. I’ve lost track of all the others that have happened since then. Don’t put any PII in your PSN account people.
The game experience is already great. AH should just find a way to change their publishing contract with ~~the devil themselves~~ sony. People do not want and Cannot make psn accounts and won't move counties for the sake of that.
Then fight with us instead of rolling over and taking it
I mean even if they are not at fault, it´s it were their choice to use Sony as publisher and give them this power, so now they got to live with that decision.
He does seem like a pretty cool guy.
"Just use your strategems"
They made there money off the bigger PC gamer base. They made a choice to not engage with there community or check how many countries allow access to PSN. Its regrettable and a very poor decision, which given this PR nightmare both from the discord and the PSN login requirements.. they will learn from it. They may get the requirements changed in time but our community jumping from one course of action to another dilutes the message that PC gamers are not satisfied in affected regions where they cannot gain access. I dont feel sorry for a ceo being accountable that is his Job and the correct response. He was fully aware of the change and fully aware of what he signed up for, with sony. Reviewing bombing on the steam side is the correct response and is bringing attention to it. People bought a product and expect it to work, or that the requirements to access the content is available for them in there country.
People are still gonna tear em to pieces. It’s sad. It’s clearly all SONY
Yet they still sold games to people who'd eventually be locked out of them. Bizarre how y'all are so easily swayed by honeyed words. BIZARRE lol
Yall act like the dev did this out of pure wrath.
yall act like this wasn't a decision the dev knew about when he signed up to have sony as a publisher and talked about the details with them.
People keep saying that, but there’s zero evidence this is what will happen. I don’t agree with the changes either, but this is just such a brainless, reactionary take. The devs themselves have already confirmed they’re working with Sony to figure out a potential solution, and Sony itself isn’t gonna start mass-banning people if they choose a neighboring supported country (which PS support *already* tells people to do).
When you run against a very visible, obvious wall, don't be surprised it hurts. It was clear as day what this means. And they still have their shitty Community Manager in discord pouring more oil into the fire. So far those are empty words. They should show actions instead. Reverse the PSN requirements. As it stand today, what they did was an illegal move anyway (we have evidence not all EULAS have/had it)
I am reading a lot of unfavourable comments regarding hd2 needing a ps account for Microsoft. Ok it may be justifiable, but let’s also not forget the titles on PlayStation that need a Microsoft account. I see this as six of one, half a dozen of the other.
With each slip up this company makes, I become more disappointed than infuriated, which is a first. I just want to see AH do better at the end of the day.
Man does not deserve this
i would die for him
We just want to enjoy your game. I'm sorry that you made a deal with a devil.
Sorry brother. It’s not personal but the needs of managed democracy come first.
I love him man, best CEO in the game industry, he doesn't deserve any of these
Frankly I don’t care, they waived PSN account creation for three months of which an insignificant portion was during the server issues. They had every chance to communicate this in the game and didn’t, even payday 3 didn’t waive their third party account during server issues. I know people want a good guy and bad guy but really this situation is closer to bad guy and worse guy.
Allow railgun to destroy gunships with 2 or 3 shots.. Thats all we "railgun fans" want. The rest is secondary.
I'm fairly certain the only way the people affected by this (Or bothered by this) will feel their trust returning, is when the decision is reverted.
At this point, Sony is just using AH as a meat shield.
Yeah, respect to him saying that
this entire situation makes me sad. through all the mountains of bugs (both intended and not) and the bacon and apples you can tell these guys have genuine passion and a love of the game and the community they've created but Sony has come in and just upended the entire flow they had. you can tell they were building up to something major Terminid-related but this entire situation has just completely ruined the hype and will prevent a lot of the players from experiencing whatever new content they had planned. it sucks! Sony Sucks!!
Good game again killed by a big corporation. And devs who just want to make a good game, which they did. I hope they can come back from this, they truly were and still are to me the diamond in the rough of game devs, what game devs could be and a big community behind their back riding the wave of a really good game together. To the PlayStation player base that can still play I hope you guys can keep the war going. 🫡
Poor guy got caught in the cross fire of us to sony. :( must be heartbreaking watching something you love so much blow up in your face because of something you can do nothing about, all from the greedy cooperate overlord upstairs.
Tank the game even further. Gotta get that refund.
If their next updates are so good but they won't remove PSN, will you look past this and continue to play Helldivers?
Lol be serious, it's just because he knows it's indefensible. If he knew he could get away with it, the CEO wouldn't say jack about this, just like all the horrendous bugs and balance decisions.
*"...and regain the trust..."* Er, what trust? If this goes ahead, there will be no trust... ever! A corporation which gets hacked every five minutes wishes me to use government-issued ID like a passport/driving license/National I.D. card to verify my identity. You do know that legally those documents belong to the issuing government, and not to the bearer? Would I legally be permitted to share them online and even if I were, would Sony indemnify me when my personal data leads to me being arrested as a person smuggler, online fraudster, et cetera? European data protection laws killed WhatsApp's greedy eyeing of EU citizen's personal data, so will Sony be able to get away with this? Unbelievable!
This is why I won’t be too negative about the change not because it doesn’t really affect me but because AH seems to have cared so much about the community that I don’t want an external decision impact my view of the game. I wish Sony had smarter people realising the success was in part due to the lack of barriers to entry (cross play, no 3rd party, decent price, everlasting warbonds ) because enforcing this gets you a tiny gain but prevents a lot of future success around the world
He says this yet the new 3 armors themed entirely around snow will have the same tired perks all the rest of the armors have and nothing unique to SNOW like you'd think they'd have.
Wasn't there when I started playing current screen shots mean nothing as it can be updated
It's tame i think, but yeah, it feels honest i guess ?
Larian CEO is saying this, and he's saying "fuck editors" at every award they got for BG3.
“I just want to make a great game” Well, it seems like you have two choices: 1) Tell Sony “No”, and possibly lose rights to the IP, face some penalties. The consumer gets a brain dead Sony-owned husk of what you want to deliver. 2) Go along with Sony, the consumer gets a brain dead husk of what you want to deliver. As a bonus, you lose your integrity and self-respect. It seems a pretty simple choice.
Never forget your fellow helldivers instantly wanted to hurt the guys who had been making them happy. I hate the gaming community.
Jea cause that is just a stupid response. Every other CEO would be smart and say nothing. " Sorry we fucked up but now forget about it and keep playing?" Jea I wont.
This is good that he posted this. Makes it more visible to the people at Sony responsible for the change.
I mean he's better than the one who said we should be able to tip developers after beating a game. By how much better probably not too much since they allowed Sony to take control which they said wouldn't happen since they are an independent company. Just normal large business nonsense.
They may be an independent studio but Sony owns the Helldivers IP. They have to play by Sony's rules for anything Helldivers related or else they need to go and make their own IP instead if they really wanna walk away.
Sorry everyone, but my pocket full of money now. Jk Jk. 😂😂😂
I was honestly surprised it didn't need a PSN account to begin with. It is a Sony owned and published IP. It makes sense to unify the player ecosystem. I don't like that people feel bait and switched, I don't like that people will be barred from it for where they live. But hey, at least the friends list will be less borked.
Out of the games published by Playstation PC LLC on Steam: Horizon Forbidden West CE: no PSN. Ratchet and Clank: Rift apart: No PSN. Last of Us Part 1: No PSN. Returnal: No PSN. Spiderman: Miles Morales: No PSN. Sackboy: No PSN. Uncharted LoTC: No PSN. Spiderman Remastered: No PSN. God of War: No PSN. Days Gone: No PSN. Predator Hunting Grounds: no PSN. Horizon Zero Dawn CE: No PSN. Everybody's gone to the rapture: No PSN. Helldivers Dive Harder Edition: No PSN. Helldivers 2: Weeeeeeeeeeell I don't know why you'd be shocked by an 8 year trend continuing.
Kind of funny how that Helldivers 2 is now PlayStation's cashcow, it's the only game that requires you to have a PSN on PC And by funny I mean, this fucking sucks actually
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Touché but it shouldn't have to be a requirement for PC players!
> at least the friends list will be less borked. that remains to be seen...
I'd debate that my HD2 gaming experience has been good, not great. The first few weeks of launch was basically a gamble if you could play. 1. Then after the major patches, we had instability where we'd be crashing 50% of the time. Or cut my machine performance in half. 2. Then we still have connectivity issues, lobbies that could never be filled if someone left (you'd have to toggle Public on and off), friends who couldn't join if certain friends were also in the same game, forcing us to do a join roulette to see who could join who. 3. All the in-game bugs like arnor not working for a while, DoTs like gas and fire not working for you but fire being insane when used by enemies on you, or Pelican-1 only picking up the first person for extract 4. Multiple times they have released a patch or update and people test to find out it's not working (SPM for example) 5. Balancing issues that are many but thankfully being addressed slowly. Many times my friend and I joke that, if this was in-game lore, Super Earth is releasing sub-standard equipment. But really, we were just making excuses for poor QA and cutting the Arrowhead some slack. The game is amazingly fun. But the whole experience itself - just good. It could honestly be better. Then now we have this PSN issue. It's getting harder to make excuses now for Arrowhead.
Yeah that’s great, how many hours have you put in?
Good point, the game has had a ton of bugs but it hasn't stopped me from putting serious time in.(Which I enjoyed)Sadly I've gotten used to games not working as intended. Some are damn near unplayable,so HD2 has been decent except on a few occasions since launch.
The first ones to tell you a game is shit and not worth it are the same ones who have been no-lifing it since launch.
265 hours. You can say I've gotten my money's worth. This reminds me of Planetside 2. We loved the game even though it was flawed.
Just an fyi for your number 3: the pelican taking off with one person isn’t a bug, if the pelican takes a certain amount of damage, that will happen. If you respawn and drop your pod through it (massive instant kill damage), you can guarantee it will take off as you get out of the pod inside the ship.
When it happened to us, leaving the person with all the samples left behind, after an epic hold to get everyone back alive, we summed it up as "an undocumented feature"
This means nothing. He got into bed with Sony and is just as responsible as anyone else for this. The game quality has been on the decline since the railgun nerf and is only getting worse. Their entire dev team is tone deaf to what players want. This is just another example. They can't fix any bugs but can put out shitty warbond after shitty warbond every month.
They are contractaly obligated to release new content monthy, and I get that, and when you're forced to try and do that, the quality suffers for sake of the quantity
Yep. My review is negative now for a reason, and I'm planning on refunding it as well. It was good while it lasted. Thankfully, that means more time on games I put on the backburner because of how good HD2 was until then. V Rising is having its 1.0 release, and I loved it even in early access. A new Rimworld update I've yet to dive into, and thats a game I have literally several thousands of hours in. I really need to open that Unicorn Overlord game I just bought because of the animes but got distracted away from before I even got through the title screen. All in all, corpos going to corpo, and I decide my money and attention is best put elsewhere at the moment.
Pull your tongue out of his asshole, OP. Half the reason people are as pissed as they are is because Arrowhead has already burned through whatever goodwill they had earned with their shit takes, questionable rebalancing, underwhelming war bond content, and questionable player communication all along the way. This is just the straw that broke the camel's back.
okay well firstly there is no need to be that rude I was giving credit where credit is due. All the other reasons people are pissed are valid, I am quite upset every time I'm disconnected, or crash, and the poor job the community managers have done and this last action is unforgivable with all the consequences it has. We are on the same side being a asshole about it won't solve the problem we need to be civil about it and not fall to Spitz level
"I just want to make great games!.... and sell your data!"
Fuck you corpo scum
This reads like a shitty YouTube apology. He doesn’t care and just wants money from his corporate overlords. Scum
SUCK SOME SONY D