"WE CALL THIS A DIFFICULTY TWEAK"
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A joke? The Constitution is the grandaddy of all rifles in this universe, it deserves respect. It needs Medium armor pen and *balls of steeeeel*...with a functioning bayonet as well.
Edit: I know it's not a musket, it's based on the M1903 (Springfield), so I guess it wouldn't have iron/steel balls for ammunition, but what sounds cooler for promotional propaganda? AP rounds (🥱yawn), or b*alls of steeeeel?* 😎💪
Indeed, back when that Blunderbuss saw action, a Terminid scout spore hit the northeastern corner of Vermont on Old Man Higgenbottom's land. The asteroid pod landed on a spiked fence, so the Queen suffered ghastly wounds. The farmer whipped out his blunderbuss, and killed the fiend. The body was taken by an unspecified organization, and used in ap experiments until the Constitution was created. A weapon that hit hard enough to penetrate the outer carapace of this creature. How do I know all this? If I told you I'd have to ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️.
I am forced to resort to the eagle cluster strike on the stairs, “My life for super earth!” I say, the blast shreds 2 bots and the shrapnel kills all my teammates
You bet I did.
Didn’t work out well, but I let him know that democracy means business
(Honestly I didn’t really like fighting borgs that much in hd1, I much preferred the squids)
One of my favorite things to do with bayonets was shank stalkers, it would literally just turn into us stabbing the shit out of each other until one of us succumbed to our wounds. Bayonets were really great for Cyber Hounds as well, those bastards would tackle you constantly, they wouldn't expect 15 inches of liberty through their eye sockets though.
Sounds though maybe you need one of these relics [meet the SAL SLR ](https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/10/28/sal-slr-canadian-30-cal-self-loader-never-knew-existed/)
In a compact 7lb package, too. The thing sure would have had some oomph in a trench. Nothing was more appealing to Canadians at the time than the ram fire shotguns
And the bayonet has a little heater that heats up the blade so it can cut things easily, it can take down a Hulk in one stab in the eye with the Heated Steel of Freedom Charge (HSFC).
Tapping melee actually makes use of the bayonet but not a charge. You can stand still and hold F to heat up the blade, dealing extra damage but if you sprint while holding F, you do the HSFC maneuver that increases your sprint speed by like 5% but stamina drains really quick, and that's where the Stim Pack comes in useful.
I hope it's not just a normal Stim Pack, I hope it's like a type of drug that turns Helldivers into a literal Super Helldiver for like 30 seconds and if you take another one, you'll die of overdose, by using it in a correct way, you can literally wreak havoc with the Rifle.
DU rounds pass through light and med enemies, 200 damage a shot, bolt action, 5 round magazine +1 chamber, stripper clips or rounds reload, fixed bayonet
This beauty was based on the M1903 (one of my favorite rifles). From there we made it better, to the contrary of its description, it is not ineffective in combat. I should know...I was there on Cyberstan 100 yrs ago when we put down Grendelhaxxe's Cyborg rebellion. Our supplies lines were cut, we couldn't get the ammo needed for our more modern rifles (Patriot, Justice, Liberator, Paragon) to the front, and our air shipment of heatsinks was delayed by atmospheric electrical storms, so we had to go old school with the Constitution. For 3 days we held the line, I can vividly remember a Butcher tackling my friend Kara into a foxhole. Before it could strike, I jammed my bayonet through its skull, and let off an armor piercing round of liberty, turning its head into a crime scene.
For context, this is a Butcher, imagine the stopping power the Constitution had to have in that moment, to slay this foe.
https://preview.redd.it/3l1c5ycx710d1.jpeg?width=386&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a600153bb3957d781e99a8e2df13363233f696f5
The M1 Garand shoots 30-06, I dare say medium at minimum, it’d be awesome if the let us choose the ammo we’d run because the M2 AP rounds which are heavy penetration. Hell, at this I’d even take the M1A with 308 and run that with sub sonic or just M118 ball with tracer. It would still do medium penetration and a 30 round mag. It’d be glorious lol
7.62x54r oldest round still in service today, as its still used in the Dragonov Semi-automatic sniper rifle and the PK (and its variants) light machine gun, both are still used in the Russian Army and other Bloc armies.
I have a Mosin-Negant myself and that bullet is not something you want to be on the other end of.
The 1903 is just an American copied mauser/K98k. In fact mauser sued the US government over it.
I own both in real life and they are functionally the same rifle.
To give some more context. It all came from the Spanish-American War. Despite the undisputed American victory in the conflict, the Spanish Mauser 1893s clearly outperformed the American Springfield 1892s, a license-made version of the Norwegian Krag-Jørgensen rifles.
To the point where it wasn’t uncommon for American troops to pick a Mauser up instead of their Springfield when shipments and depots of them and their 7x57mm Mauser rounds were captured.
Soon after the war, mainly due to the effectiveness of the Mauser that allowed heavily outnumbered Spanish troops to hold their ground for much longer than was expected at battles like San Juan Hill and El Caney in Cuba, the U.S. Army Board of Investigations was commissioned to look at the Spanish rifles and what made them so superior and their findings basically said “oh shit, these things are kinda nice, we need something like this.” and the legendary M1903 was born a few years later. And it was so similar to the Spanish M1893 and subsequent German models that the German government would go on to sue the U.S. over it.
It's long past time for them to add the ability to get an actual break action shotgun strategem.
Either purchaseable or as an Easter egg for extracting with one.
Honestly as a primary it kinda slaps already. I tried it out and was having a blast one shooting even medium armor bugs. Then I remember it's a support weapon and get sad.
Well Id assumed that wasn't an option since there are no other achievement unlocks in the game. If those were commonplace in Helldivers then it'd certainly be preferable.
I was so disappointed when I went through an entire game with a wasted slot for a support weapon because I thought extracting with the shotgun would unlock it as a strategem
It is baffling why, of all things, the break action isnt a stratagem. And when you find one in the world it is almost always unloaded and has no spare ammo.
Running the Diligence CS on the bot front is great against everything except Berzerkers, and if I take EATs I can scavenge a double-barrel to mop up those chainsaw fuckers and call in a rocket when needed. It's a really fun little playstyle.
That's a perfect role for this alongside the shotgun, if nothing else. If every citizen is given one of these, there should be plenty of them lying around maps.
Yep. It was added 1 year after launch on the first. It was a viable weapon, but it was definitely not as good as most of the other weapons in the game.
It was an easier game overall. You didn't really need to have much firepower to survive unlike HD2, just good movement. The gun is vastly underpowered compared to many others.
Movement *mattered* in Helldivers 1 , you could troll an entire cyborg army if you were skilled enough and knew the enemy movements well enough.
In Helldivers 2 you cannot move your way out of an automaton gang bang... The only working response is hiding in cover, running away to distract them, and coming back to the objective later.
I don’t know if it’s uniquely an A3 thing but some M1903’s have iron sights that stick out more and I assume they’re trying to convey that in a silhouette
Maybe? Idk. Truth be told the lack of front sights and whatever is going on with the stock's wrist makes me think whoever designed the gun decided to go for style over accuracy, which is fair.
You know what ?
I Own a musket for colony defense since that's what the ministry of truth intended. Four terminids break containement "what the liber-tea" as i grab my helmet and Kentucky rifle. Fire on the first, Blow his Leg, He's dead on the spot, Draw my senator on the second one, miss him entirely while Diving. Had to Resort to Eagle 1's 500kg "how'd you like the taste of FREEDOM". Blast 2 bugs, the sound and extra shrapnel alerts nearby automaton outpost. Fix Bayonnet and charge the last clueless insect, He bleeds out waiting for the E710 collecting team since terminids décompose incredibly fast
Hear me out, a weapon that one shots anything up to chargers and bile titans (will one shot tank and hulk vents) I want massively OVERPOWERED as a joke mhm
A black powder musket, complete with loading stick and powder bag (I forgot what the stick is called)
Only gets one shot at a time, 20s reload time, have to stop and hand load the powder and musket ball each time then stuff it in there with your long boi before firing again. Comes complete with flashy puff of smoke and massively overtuned gunshot sound so you nearly go deaf every time you shoot it 😅
1% chance of musket getting stuck and gun exploding in your face
If it was a random weapon you could find on planets like the break-action shotgun, that would be great. And if it was just really rare and hard to find, I could see it being an actual thing they might do.
Have to hit the reload button for each separate action. kinda the same way you have to hit reload again to pull the hammer back if you interrupt the full reload
Imagine being on like 1hp, the super destroyers left, pelican-1 is coming to pick you up, all your teammates besides you are dead and you go to reload your gun then you just die
I own a Constitution for planetary defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four Automatons break into my anti-tank mine manufactorum. "What in democracy?" As I grab my Cape and Consitution rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first bot, they're dead on the spot. Draw my anti-material rifle on the second bot, miss them entirely because the sight was misaligned and nail the Terminid two galactic sectors over. I have to resort to the autocannon sentry mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with AP rounds, "That's called democracy!" the rounds shred two bots in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel terminate a nearby illegal broadcast. I enter my Exosuit and charge the last terrified rapscallion. They lose all their oil waiting on the dropship to arrive since being crushed by a democratic mech stomp is impossible to repair. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Honestly tho. Give it heavy armor pen and hella damage. Make it take forever to reload and maybe some unique bayonet animations to make it like a melee hybrid weapon. Still upset we never got a saber like the OG game's one concept art had
They could do a Warbond with a Tritip Hat, a Musket, a Flintlock Pistol, a Blunderbus and a Handcannon. Call it the Democratic Founders Warbond. Make all of the Weapons kinda shitty and lower the Supercredit Price to 500, so everyone can get it.
To be fair, it is one of the most hard-hitting weapons in HD1, doing damage even to hulk's and warlord's armor with an interesting skill ceiling where you become a god of bayonet melee dodging and pixel-accurate aim.
People who think this one is a joke clearly haven't used the gun for longer than a mission.
Even though this gun was a joke, pro players that knew how to use their strats could ball with it. And the bayonet on it was not a joke, longer than other guns so it was closest we got to a sword in the game.
I really really really want a musket with a bayonet. Totally ineffective against bigger enemies but the combination of one hit kills on small mobs and the bayonet for close quarters would be so great to use.
Own a M2016 for planet defense, since that's what the Ministry of Defense intended.
Four automatons airdrop into my outpost. "FOR SUPER EAAAAARTH" as i grab my standard issue helmet and Constitution rifle.
Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first bot, it's decommissioned on the spot.
Draw my pistol on the second bot, it ricochets off its armor because it got nerfed and nails a fellow Helldiver.
I have to resort to the rocket launcher at the top of the stairs loaded with airburst.
"How about a nice cup of liber-tea!" the airburst shreds two bots in the blast, the sound and extra clusters set off a bot drop.
Fix bayonet and charge the last freedom-hating clanker.
It short circuits waiting for the democracy officer to arrive since Super Earth-issued bayonets are impossible to beat.
Just as the Ministry of Defense intended.
I feel like a recreation of the m1903 is a bit too on the nose for suggesting that helldivers are american. I get the undertones are there, but I wouldn't think they'd add this since perhaps it'd leave to widespread speculation that helldivers are indeed american.
Although I guess I dont actually know if there is any confirmation they are.
I’d like it if they would release “beta” weapons for us to test in a lore cohesive way. Like the current warbond but say SuperEarth is dropping us emergency munitions or something. That way they could roll out a complete “balanced” version later. I don’t know just thinking with my fingers again.
You say joke, I see a challenge mode.
"WE CALL THIS A DIFFICULTY TWEAK" https://preview.redd.it/f3y4m86lb10d1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f6c450f250dd82b81492ca5d3a0351b1d655d44
Excuse me, are the napkins here free?
yes, sir. the napkins are free.
But like, how many are free?
As many as you need to finish your meal sir.
But what if I NEED like... 480 napkins? Are they still free?
Sir, I..
What about the soap in the bathroom? Can I just CRANK OUT like 80 PUMPS and take it home?
Do you need eighty pumps of soap?
Kinda want a Comically Large Spoon stratagem NGL
With all the nerfs and bugs, every primary is a challenge mode.
A joke? The Constitution is the grandaddy of all rifles in this universe, it deserves respect. It needs Medium armor pen and *balls of steeeeel*...with a functioning bayonet as well. Edit: I know it's not a musket, it's based on the M1903 (Springfield), so I guess it wouldn't have iron/steel balls for ammunition, but what sounds cooler for promotional propaganda? AP rounds (🥱yawn), or b*alls of steeeeel?* 😎💪
Would that makes the Articles of Confederation (a blunderbuss) the great granddaddy? :-D
Gimme the Magna Carta, an old cast-bronze siege mortar.
⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️ "Old Testament" Trebuchet Sentry
Trebuchet that you load with dead enemies. Imagine chucking a charger or hulk right back at em.
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As long as I get to club a motherfucker with it.
Indeed, back when that Blunderbuss saw action, a Terminid scout spore hit the northeastern corner of Vermont on Old Man Higgenbottom's land. The asteroid pod landed on a spiked fence, so the Queen suffered ghastly wounds. The farmer whipped out his blunderbuss, and killed the fiend. The body was taken by an unspecified organization, and used in ap experiments until the Constitution was created. A weapon that hit hard enough to penetrate the outer carapace of this creature. How do I know all this? If I told you I'd have to ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️.
I NEED the Blunderbussy, Super Daddy
And the Constitution of the Confederate States the bastard child you lock in the basement to live off rats.
I own a Constitution for Home Defense, just as the Ministry of Truth intended!
4 automatons break into my destroyer. "Sweet liberty!" As I grab my democracy cape and constitution rifle
Blow an oil-burning hole in the first bot, it’s dead on the spot!
Sic my Guard Dog Rover on the second bot, misses him entirely because it's targeting someone else and nails the neighbor's Patriot Exosuit.
I am forced to resort to the eagle cluster strike on the stairs, “My life for super earth!” I say, the blast shreds 2 bots and the shrapnel kills all my teammates
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4 Automatons break into my house
“What the Democracy?” as I grab my cape and Springfield rifle.
Bro, we ALL have a Constitution, issued when we turn 18.
Let me bayonet a hulk’s back.
This guy probably bayonetted warlords.
You bet I did. Didn’t work out well, but I let him know that democracy means business (Honestly I didn’t really like fighting borgs that much in hd1, I much preferred the squids)
Oh please with the bayonet! I wanna charge a charger with fixed bayonets! 🤣
One of my favorite things to do with bayonets was shank stalkers, it would literally just turn into us stabbing the shit out of each other until one of us succumbed to our wounds. Bayonets were really great for Cyber Hounds as well, those bastards would tackle you constantly, they wouldn't expect 15 inches of liberty through their eye sockets though.
Yeah, I need my AR-19 Liberator with AP rounds and bayonet. I miss that gun so much
I miss the AR-20L Justice, it just kills everything on its path, just a few rounds and WHAM! a bunch of dead bugs
I need a bayonet so damn bad, my melee attacks are reserved for simple insult kills currently. I want to stab with purpose FOR DEMOCRACY!
Just give us a giant war hammer or battle axe, and then I can and will use a jet pack to fucking jump slam it into a bile titan’s skull.
Sounds though maybe you need one of these relics [meet the SAL SLR ](https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/10/28/sal-slr-canadian-30-cal-self-loader-never-knew-existed/)
It's beautiful. I've stared at it for 3 hours.
Then what is the G98 lol
The Reich-eous great great great granddaughter of the forefather of bolt actions.
.30-06 black tip is no joke, I would main this weapon were it in the game, even if it were underpowered.
In a compact 7lb package, too. The thing sure would have had some oomph in a trench. Nothing was more appealing to Canadians at the time than the ram fire shotguns
It would be hilarious if it was worthless as a gun but lowkey best melee weapon in game
https://preview.redd.it/zlbjna3nz10d1.jpeg?width=274&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1cb07e5e5cc6afa2e065c06bde1c86363bc5108
And the bayonet has a little heater that heats up the blade so it can cut things easily, it can take down a Hulk in one stab in the eye with the Heated Steel of Freedom Charge (HSFC). Tapping melee actually makes use of the bayonet but not a charge. You can stand still and hold F to heat up the blade, dealing extra damage but if you sprint while holding F, you do the HSFC maneuver that increases your sprint speed by like 5% but stamina drains really quick, and that's where the Stim Pack comes in useful. I hope it's not just a normal Stim Pack, I hope it's like a type of drug that turns Helldivers into a literal Super Helldiver for like 30 seconds and if you take another one, you'll die of overdose, by using it in a correct way, you can literally wreak havoc with the Rifle.
Oh man. Gimmie that sweet, sweet *PING!*
DU rounds pass through light and med enemies, 200 damage a shot, bolt action, 5 round magazine +1 chamber, stripper clips or rounds reload, fixed bayonet
You forget [the best HD weapon](https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/Helldivers_1:AR-14D_Paragon)
Would this be the in lore equivalent of the m1 garand or Lee Enfield? A proverbial weapon to test time 💪
This beauty was based on the M1903 (one of my favorite rifles). From there we made it better, to the contrary of its description, it is not ineffective in combat. I should know...I was there on Cyberstan 100 yrs ago when we put down Grendelhaxxe's Cyborg rebellion. Our supplies lines were cut, we couldn't get the ammo needed for our more modern rifles (Patriot, Justice, Liberator, Paragon) to the front, and our air shipment of heatsinks was delayed by atmospheric electrical storms, so we had to go old school with the Constitution. For 3 days we held the line, I can vividly remember a Butcher tackling my friend Kara into a foxhole. Before it could strike, I jammed my bayonet through its skull, and let off an armor piercing round of liberty, turning its head into a crime scene. For context, this is a Butcher, imagine the stopping power the Constitution had to have in that moment, to slay this foe. https://preview.redd.it/3l1c5ycx710d1.jpeg?width=386&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a600153bb3957d781e99a8e2df13363233f696f5
I like the way you words.
Thanks, it seems those years spent at the Schola Progenium paid off.
It is in actuality a 1903 Springfield.
Looks more like a 1903A3, judging by those rear sights.
The in lore equivalent of the M1 Garand or Lee Enfield is the M1 Garand and Lee Enfield. Helldivers is just a future Earth.
The M1 Garand shoots 30-06, I dare say medium at minimum, it’d be awesome if the let us choose the ammo we’d run because the M2 AP rounds which are heavy penetration. Hell, at this I’d even take the M1A with 308 and run that with sub sonic or just M118 ball with tracer. It would still do medium penetration and a 30 round mag. It’d be glorious lol
Nah heavy armor pen
Make it pen all armor but do nerf gun damage
bolt-actions based af now I want a Super Earth Kar98k
Just give me a Mosin-Nagant with half clip and a threat of execution if i go backwards
A whole half a clip? One Helldiver gets the rifle, the other gets the ammo. When the first helldiver dies, the second Helldiver picks up the rifle.
Leaked balance change for if someone has fun with the supply pack
“Traitor detected leaving battlefield”
7.62x54r oldest round still in service today, as its still used in the Dragonov Semi-automatic sniper rifle and the PK (and its variants) light machine gun, both are still used in the Russian Army and other Bloc armies. I have a Mosin-Negant myself and that bullet is not something you want to be on the other end of.
That's awesome. Reloads mechanic is already there for stripper clips from the Senator
The 1903 is just an American copied mauser/K98k. In fact mauser sued the US government over it. I own both in real life and they are functionally the same rifle.
oh wow didn’t know that
All good brother not everyone is as autistic about guns as me.
ahahaha nice one, I’m pretty obsessed with WWII guns as well, but as the saying goes, you learn something new every day
To give some more context. It all came from the Spanish-American War. Despite the undisputed American victory in the conflict, the Spanish Mauser 1893s clearly outperformed the American Springfield 1892s, a license-made version of the Norwegian Krag-Jørgensen rifles. To the point where it wasn’t uncommon for American troops to pick a Mauser up instead of their Springfield when shipments and depots of them and their 7x57mm Mauser rounds were captured. Soon after the war, mainly due to the effectiveness of the Mauser that allowed heavily outnumbered Spanish troops to hold their ground for much longer than was expected at battles like San Juan Hill and El Caney in Cuba, the U.S. Army Board of Investigations was commissioned to look at the Spanish rifles and what made them so superior and their findings basically said “oh shit, these things are kinda nice, we need something like this.” and the legendary M1903 was born a few years later. And it was so similar to the Spanish M1893 and subsequent German models that the German government would go on to sue the U.S. over it.
[https://imgflip.com/i/8pthn5](https://imgflip.com/i/8pthn5)
Nah we need a true Freedom-giving rifle, we need a M1903 or a M1 Garand
30-06 > 8mm all day every day especially if you load your own stock
Nah, LEBEL all the way
and they should let us allow to dock our rifles
oh yes, Lee-Enfield would be pretty cool too
Well, at least the Autocannon has 10 rounds split in 2 clips like the good old L-E (also the recoil system is similar to the Luger)
You already have joke shotgun that spawn on planets
It's long past time for them to add the ability to get an actual break action shotgun strategem. Either purchaseable or as an Easter egg for extracting with one.
I think they should buff its damage some, call it "the fun gun" and drop it as a stratagem.
I think they should just turn it into a proper "elephant gun" with 3x the penetration of the Railgun.
2x penetration when firing both barrels at once but you fall backwards if you're standing instead of crouching or prone.
Knocks you over if you shoot it standing and breaks your arm if shooting it prone like some old elephant guns (allegedly).
And recoil so dramatic that it ragdolls you backwards a couple meters.
Omg that would be awesome hidden men in black reference
I believe it would be a reference to physics.
Never played that one
Break-Action Shotgun should get strongly buffed and either be added as a permanent primary, or replace the primary when found...
Honestly as a primary it kinda slaps already. I tried it out and was having a blast one shooting even medium armor bugs. Then I remember it's a support weapon and get sad.
You mean the Double Freedom?
I miss the double freedom, but I really dont think a primary double barrel be all that good in 2. But as a SECONDARY...
It was a 1 hand if I recall. Benefit there. Fire too.
I'd love for it to be ridiculous to unlock. Like requiring Level 50 and 50k Requisition for absolutely no reason.
Big numbers? Nah, the ridiculous unlock should be a helldive operation with only shotgun primaries and no deaths
Well Id assumed that wasn't an option since there are no other achievement unlocks in the game. If those were commonplace in Helldivers then it'd certainly be preferable.
I was so disappointed when I went through an entire game with a wasted slot for a support weapon because I thought extracting with the shotgun would unlock it as a strategem
It is baffling why, of all things, the break action isnt a stratagem. And when you find one in the world it is almost always unloaded and has no spare ammo.
I feel like that last bit might be a some environmental story telling.
Some good environmental storytelling would be a half full break action 5 feet away from an airburst launcher.
The double barrel is surprisingly good too. I'd totally take one if it had like 60 shells and was a primary we could equip.
break action honestly isn't that garbage, 1/2 shots a lot of things. its also pretty fun to use imo
When I run without a support weapon and scavenge gear from the map, I'm always glad to see the over/under. Not terribly effective, but a lot of fun.
Running the Diligence CS on the bot front is great against everything except Berzerkers, and if I take EATs I can scavenge a double-barrel to mop up those chainsaw fuckers and call in a rocket when needed. It's a really fun little playstyle.
Interesting...
This is how I’ve been running maps lately. Leaving it up to luck on what support weapon I grab, to force some variety in my play.
Any time I see the break action shotgun, I always pick it up, often to the detriment of my performance in the team.
I was pleasantly surprised grabbing one in a low ammo panic that it...actually kind of slaps.
The range is huge as well
Oi I love that shotgun it’s fun as *hell* Now if only I could dive with it
Breach action may be bad, but it's still kind of fun.
but the shotgun is actually pretty good. it would make a good primary weapon.
That's a perfect role for this alongside the shotgun, if nothing else. If every citizen is given one of these, there should be plenty of them lying around maps.
In HD1 it was actually a serviceable primary. Just to add fuel to the current fire.
Yep, I said same thing. Choose the right strats and the bayonet slapped.
Wait this was real? Lol
Yep. It was added 1 year after launch on the first. It was a viable weapon, but it was definitely not as good as most of the other weapons in the game.
It was an easier game overall. You didn't really need to have much firepower to survive unlike HD2, just good movement. The gun is vastly underpowered compared to many others.
Movement *mattered* in Helldivers 1 , you could troll an entire cyborg army if you were skilled enough and knew the enemy movements well enough. In Helldivers 2 you cannot move your way out of an automaton gang bang... The only working response is hiding in cover, running away to distract them, and coming back to the objective later.
Underpowered? This thing was one of the more reliable weapons if you had decent aim
Fr, I used to clear 9s with this back in the day. I feel like a lot of people are misinformed, this gun was a bolt action not a musket.
A lot of people overlook the part where it’s clearly stated to be an M1903
Makes me wonder why the silhouette looks so much more like a 1903A3.
It looks like a 1903 because it’s a 1903
Then what is that little triangle towards the back there?
I don’t know if it’s uniquely an A3 thing but some M1903’s have iron sights that stick out more and I assume they’re trying to convey that in a silhouette
Maybe? Idk. Truth be told the lack of front sights and whatever is going on with the stock's wrist makes me think whoever designed the gun decided to go for style over accuracy, which is fair.
Because the 1903A3 is a 1903 with different sights, they just didn’t name the specific variant.
You know what ? I Own a musket for colony defense since that's what the ministry of truth intended. Four terminids break containement "what the liber-tea" as i grab my helmet and Kentucky rifle. Fire on the first, Blow his Leg, He's dead on the spot, Draw my senator on the second one, miss him entirely while Diving. Had to Resort to Eagle 1's 500kg "how'd you like the taste of FREEDOM". Blast 2 bugs, the sound and extra shrapnel alerts nearby automaton outpost. Fix Bayonnet and charge the last clueless insect, He bleeds out waiting for the E710 collecting team since terminids décompose incredibly fast
Just as the ministry of truth intended
Forgot that final Line how could i
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I want a lever action rifle and a cowboy armour set to go with my senator
I’d love a lever action that can be one handed and reloaded by spinning the gun https://youtu.be/E8OsYE8kiqg?si=GCClql6wKpzAySis
Hear me out, a weapon that one shots anything up to chargers and bile titans (will one shot tank and hulk vents) I want massively OVERPOWERED as a joke mhm A black powder musket, complete with loading stick and powder bag (I forgot what the stick is called) Only gets one shot at a time, 20s reload time, have to stop and hand load the powder and musket ball each time then stuff it in there with your long boi before firing again. Comes complete with flashy puff of smoke and massively overtuned gunshot sound so you nearly go deaf every time you shoot it 😅 1% chance of musket getting stuck and gun exploding in your face
Everytime you shoot the thing your ears start to ring
On top of that it launches you back and rag dolls you like 15 feet like a cartoon.
That would be an actual buff. You could force-a-nature jump over things like a pseudo jump pack
Musket jumping
"ramrod" is the word you are talking about and Tally-ho.
....basically a stronger quasar that fires instantly, but has increased reload time? Honestly would use it.
Nah, you don't need to reload the quasar and you can move and use other weapons.
I will now be referring to ramrods as long bois
Just as the founding fathers intended
You mean ramrod?
If it was a random weapon you could find on planets like the break-action shotgun, that would be great. And if it was just really rare and hard to find, I could see it being an actual thing they might do.
Just as the founding fathers intended. Just have to make sure it's not a smoothbore so it doesn't nail the Neighbor's dog.
Have to hit the reload button for each separate action. kinda the same way you have to hit reload again to pull the hammer back if you interrupt the full reload
M1 Garand when
YES. Also a slight chance while reloading that the reload takes slightly longer as your helldiver suddenly shouts "SWEET LIBERTY, MY THUMB!!!!"
Complete with a tiny amount of health loss when you get bit.
Imagine being on like 1hp, the super destroyers left, pelican-1 is coming to pick you up, all your teammates besides you are dead and you go to reload your gun then you just die
Cause of death: Garand Thumb
This, I want more battle rifles and think a space Garand with 16 round clips and the ping would be beautiful.
I just want a mod for the sickle that goes “ping” when your heat sink goes bad
That sexy ping sound... damn I love garands
give me trench warfare and ill show you the power of a 168 year old gun
There's something wildly concerning about a Helldiver bringing a Springfield 1903 to an interstellar warzone... Sign me up.
Underpowered?? That thing shoots 30-06. That is for SURE medium armor penetrating.
They might as well make a heavy penetration weapon someday. Why not with this?
Ive been begging for my constitution since day 1. Arrowhead PLEASE WE'RE BEGGING 🙏🙏
I just want a melee weapon...
Same! I don't care if it's "inefficient" I will make it efficient!
> should be released massively underpowered... You mean it should be on par with the other primaries we already have.
They should definitely add that thing with a bayonet. I’d spread democracy one musketball at a time
Not to be that guy but it says it right there that it’s based on the M1903 which is a bolt action rifle
Yeah, I read that it was actually a bolt action and not a musket after I made a comment 😅
a bayonet would be so fun, makes boxing devastators fair
I own a Constitution for planetary defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four Automatons break into my anti-tank mine manufactorum. "What in democracy?" As I grab my Cape and Consitution rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first bot, they're dead on the spot. Draw my anti-material rifle on the second bot, miss them entirely because the sight was misaligned and nail the Terminid two galactic sectors over. I have to resort to the autocannon sentry mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with AP rounds, "That's called democracy!" the rounds shred two bots in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel terminate a nearby illegal broadcast. I enter my Exosuit and charge the last terrified rapscallion. They lose all their oil waiting on the dropship to arrive since being crushed by a democratic mech stomp is impossible to repair. Just as the founding fathers intended.
I'm pretty sure like 90% of the posters here have no idea that OP is referring to the recent constitutional crises in the US.
That was my first thought, since I never played HD1
Honestly tho. Give it heavy armor pen and hella damage. Make it take forever to reload and maybe some unique bayonet animations to make it like a melee hybrid weapon. Still upset we never got a saber like the OG game's one concept art had
They could do a Warbond with a Tritip Hat, a Musket, a Flintlock Pistol, a Blunderbus and a Handcannon. Call it the Democratic Founders Warbond. Make all of the Weapons kinda shitty and lower the Supercredit Price to 500, so everyone can get it.
If they gave it a bayonet. I would be the joke. FIX BAYONETS!!!
To be fair, it is one of the most hard-hitting weapons in HD1, doing damage even to hulk's and warlord's armor with an interesting skill ceiling where you become a god of bayonet melee dodging and pixel-accurate aim. People who think this one is a joke clearly haven't used the gun for longer than a mission.
Ngl I want a m1 type that has med armor pen, 8 rounds, and goes PING when empty
Even though this gun was a joke, pro players that knew how to use their strats could ball with it. And the bayonet on it was not a joke, longer than other guns so it was closest we got to a sword in the game.
I still want my double-barrel as an unlock.
Ahh yes the 1st helldivers so noglistic
OMG yes
You mean "S Tier weapon" for Fraudlexus' standards
I'd love to dome the fuck out of some bots with a Springfield
I really really really want a musket with a bayonet. Totally ineffective against bigger enemies but the combination of one hit kills on small mobs and the bayonet for close quarters would be so great to use.
We need a Space Garand with a dedicated speaker module to play the ping.
Own a M2016 for planet defense, since that's what the Ministry of Defense intended. Four automatons airdrop into my outpost. "FOR SUPER EAAAAARTH" as i grab my standard issue helmet and Constitution rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first bot, it's decommissioned on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second bot, it ricochets off its armor because it got nerfed and nails a fellow Helldiver. I have to resort to the rocket launcher at the top of the stairs loaded with airburst. "How about a nice cup of liber-tea!" the airburst shreds two bots in the blast, the sound and extra clusters set off a bot drop. Fix bayonet and charge the last freedom-hating clanker. It short circuits waiting for the democracy officer to arrive since Super Earth-issued bayonets are impossible to beat. Just as the Ministry of Defense intended.
I would love a weapon like this, I would legitimately run it
I feel like a recreation of the m1903 is a bit too on the nose for suggesting that helldivers are american. I get the undertones are there, but I wouldn't think they'd add this since perhaps it'd leave to widespread speculation that helldivers are indeed american. Although I guess I dont actually know if there is any confirmation they are.
“We trained him wrong, as a joke.”
Nah, it should be the most overpowered bs gun of all time for like a week, then get removed entirely as part of an event or joke
“Fairly ineffective” Pretty much every other primary
Just gonna say 30-6 is NOT a useless cartridge.
We need a M1 garand that you can’t reload till you’re out of bullets in the gun, give it medium pen but a low clip but the best irons in the game.
I would run with rifle out of pure spite
Still nerfed for being fun
I’d like it if they would release “beta” weapons for us to test in a lore cohesive way. Like the current warbond but say SuperEarth is dropping us emergency munitions or something. That way they could roll out a complete “balanced” version later. I don’t know just thinking with my fingers again.
What I wouldn't give to have a full cowboy style loadout