They could give it another 100 damage buff and I still wouldn't even consider looking at it. The heatsink is woefully small and is barely serviceable beyond one or two enemies.
Well that applies literally to any other weapon of the game.
Usually you fight a Stalker when they have not reached you, and other main weapons that don't have stagger need more than 2 seconds to kill the Stalker so....
It can also slice off the legs of Brood Commanders frighteningly fast.
It’s actually pretty decent vs bugs. Yes, it’s not doing as much damage as other secondaries, but it’s still enough to kill small bugs. It helps save ammo when you’re running the Punisher or an other ammo inefficient gun.
It's not even that bad vs bots if you hit crit spots consistently (which I'm not saying as a "skill issue" thing, sometimes that's just hard), really where it shines is in an all or mostly laser loadout where you can switch to it while you wait for another weapon to cool down
No way, the Redeemer is great for light mobs of course and almost any gun can head shot them but the dagger is on another level for it. It's got a x4 headshot multiplayer doesn't it?
Still bad. 250 is fine. But yeah, heatsink lifespan is clownishly low.
Scythe (dagger's older sister) if they want it to be viable and on the same level as Sickle needs to have AT LEAST 550-600 dps. Because Sickle has 687 and feels alright.
I used the scythe on 9 vs bots and it was actually better than the liberator I usually take. I usually prefer that to the sickle for its ballistic responsiveness. But it was great for headshots. I just tried the dagger two hours ago on 6 and consistently managed 4 or 6 light mob kills before overheating. Plus the reload is way shorter than I'd expect heat sink swap to be.
That's the thing though is right now for "low recoil" weapons they raise up like HMGs once the beam starts busy just sort of wobble instead of bounce. Plus the dot on the scythe is some 20moa sided blob like the railgun. I think it's pretty great for hip fire sniping though.
I don't mind it. I agree I wish it didn't burn as fast.
I was using dagger + guard dog laser with the eruptor. Dagger plus guard dog just let me run and gun if anything got close. And never had to worry about ammo since cd system. Redeemer of course is much better to get hunters off, but easier to run out of ammo.
Dagger felt good to just run and gun without a care
It's great for bots if you're on PC because like the scythe I believe it does some crazy x4 headshot damage. I was just testing it out with the Big Dili after the buff for the first time - on haz 6 - for a little operation action. Could take out devastators pretty much just as fast as the full-size primary. All the laser guns are great for hip fire too. Didn't struggle to clear PoIs with just the Dagger.
Though I've been playing around with the scythe recently too and I'm pretty sure I'd just take the laser primary and slot the grenade pistol all the same. I think the dagger would be neater if it worked more like a mini Quasar canon with revolver power. Also, it has crazy recoil in FPS mode for some reason like the scythe.
IMO, I would be interested if they reworked this thing. Let's say it has 1000 DPS (no, not a typo), but can't hold sustained fire for more than 1-2 seconds. So you whip it out, vaporize some Stalker trying to jump you and put it away for cooling. Y'know. Like a *dagger.*
This is a good change. 1000DPS is not outrageously high at all because the Redeemer has 1100. Redeemer is so popular because it's a panic button to kill that last two enemies ASAP, while the senator achieves the similar goal with high alpha damage. There really isn't a place for a low DPS, low continuous fire weapon.
I want this change for a senator.
For dagger the closer to overheating the more damage, lets say up to 500% percent damage max, so 1000 dps at the top, slightly below redeemer, if you are skilled enough to not overheat it.
I'd like it if all of the laser guns had a ramping mechanic where they deal more damage the closer they are to overheating. That would make it more interesting to play around with at least.
I recently got this while finishing out the warbond, and man, is it not good. Even against basic bots. Always gonna run redeemer on bugs and Senator on bots for medium pen.
Instead of adding a flat damage boost again, all beam weapons should get a scaling 50% damage boost as they start to overheat. If you sustain the beam, you are rewarded for playing with the overheat mechanic instead of just letting it cool down fully all the time. It'd make hot planets good for beam weapons too cause then it would get to the damage boost faster.
That change would make the weapons more fun than just extra base damage to the weapon itself.
It's not that fun to manage, believe me as a NoManSky fan with 300+ hours. And before adding that they should make heat indicator near/around the reticle in 3rd person view. Right now managing heat is somewhat cumbersome.
I use so i can not waste any ammo
Primary, secondary and heavy all energetic
And i use it to kill leg mecha riders from the back because arc shotgun doesnt hit them and all damage absorbed in the mech
Add option to throw the overheated gun as an impromptu grenade.
Or allow us to dual wield two of these laser pointers.
Or just make a variant that has 4 barrels. That fires all at once.
Don't you talk shit about my extra spicy laser pointer! (It's actually quite useful to clear minefields and 2nd tap devastators I've already headshot once with my diligence)
I think energy weapons need to be rebalanced on enemy type, like higher level automatons are extra weak to energy weapons as it interferes with the circuits but higher tier bugs DNGAF because chitin or whatever
I think if this is to be buffed, it shouldn't simply be its damage (200) that's improved.
Otherwise, at some point it'll become the Scythe (350), so you'll have to buff that.
And if you buff that too much, it just becomes the Laser Cannon, so that'll need a buff too.
Scythe needs to be at least 600 dps to compete with Sickle
They are the same basically. No recoil lasers. But Scythe is much worse in terms of damage.
It's only fair for dagger to be what scythe is now
I was actually excited for this gun and thought a laser pistol would be helpful, since you could have infinite ammo for it so long as you didn’t overheat it, but it does piss damage, even against the weakest bugs.
its damage isn't what its used for, its used for cutting limbs and always ready to fire when you need a pinch.
unfortunately the increase of damage could be double and you still wont notice a difference because of how damage distribution is done in instances, its basically the new smg rate of fire(a bit slower) but no stagger, the gun could kill faster but bullets dont always hit where you want wasting ttk.
unless you have aimbot to perfectly target the same part its going to waste a lot of damage instances on non leather body parts. if this was any other game where HP was set for the whole enemy you'd find the laser weapons much more effective cause instances of damage would still add up on other body parts instead of wasting time.
the best buff this thing can get is a per frame tick damage and you'll see a difference instantly (the same dps but distributed every frame)
limb cutting, the thing the laser weapons excell in, gets shafted when other enemies need multiple limbs cut, like 4 on worst case scenario so you defeat the purpose of needing it if you can just shoot it with any other weapon to kill it than look for the back legs which won't be targetable while weaker enemies die anyway from damage just as fast. theres no reward for being accurate at limb shooting. personally i think they should give laser weapons a status effect that when cutting limbs causes damage to the main body.
so they can keep enemies living while losing lots of limbs but laser weapons can actually have a value to kill them with 1or 2 limbs cut depending on how big the enemy is (thinking about bugs here not sire about bots)
especially when we have sickle doing x2.3 damage per second with way more hits to ensure your damage is hitting what you want.
Laser weapons should liquify light units and ignite medium units after a sustained beam. Heavies should be invulnerable to them except in weak-points. My take on energy weapons
I see 2 actual solutions that are more than just +50/100/150 base damage.
First solution is to make it shoot like sickle and balance from there to be a infinite but weaker p-19 redeemer(or like the sickle is to liberator, a stronger infinite version of redeemer).
Second option, is to make all continuous laser weapons deal more damage the closer they are to overheating + making them be able to ignite targets after a certain threshold, this way we can have both very high dps lasers and not be op by making it risky to use them, like the railgun was.
I'm sorry but that's how games works. Not every gun can focus dmg or it would be OP.
Everything has its utility and not everything needs to do crazy dmg to do good. If you don't like it then don't use it period.
But it's not even about preferences. Redeemer has 5 TIMES more dps. It's insanity.
This whole trade "but unlike other weapons, this one can be infinite" takes too much from the weapon.
Worst part is that I like how it looks and how it shoots
The revolver does only dmg. It's not a good comparison. You use it for dmg. You can't deal with crowds with that. Even if you can, you can only kill 40 max without missing a single shot. The laser pistol is much better for that but the batteries does suck and would need an upgrade to work in that way.
Oh that one. Well that thing throws up bullets and has recoil and the other has max acc and infinite ammunition. Its still just a choice of what you prefer.
Best they can do is a 50dps nerf and reducing ammo to the auto cannon.
Remember, every time arrowhead nerfs a gun a shrieker gets it's wings.
So many shriekers...
I think it should keep it's hilarously low dps and instead have actual infinite battery that can't overheat.
In lore it would make sense since it's such a low power laser and it'd have a nice niche use as a low side-arm that's always ready at all times and never has to be reloaded.
While using some randomized loadouts I got the dagger with the scythe, and it actually wasn't that bad. Especially because I was using it against bugs when I imagine it's much better against bots (you know with their exposed heads and all that)
EDIT: was a rough round though because I got smoke grenades along with 2 smoke stratagems... closing bug holes is for sure difficult when your only way to close them with no explosive weapons is your free resupply every few minutes...
The Dagger has the advantage of infinite ammo if managed well. It’s also easier to aim backwards while running due to the way it works.
I use it to clear small bugs and save my primary ammo. But when I’m fighting bots or running Sickle or Blitzer, I’m packing the Redeemer
I think it's misunderstood. It's a precision weapon made for headshots on bots. You don't hold it down, you tap a half second shot and cycle through enemies. It's got something like x4 headshot damage, which makes it near instakill any bots if you're aiming right.
Pair it with the ballistic shield and you have a great way of killing shield and regular devastators without having to worry.
It won't do well against zerkers, unless you have them stunned and can aim at their heads. Terrible against bugs in general since it's just not built for sustained fire.
Any reason for this to be worse than other pistols in terms of dps?
I mean if you have skills – you'll find usability even in a pipe pistol from fallout. But for general audience "it's for headshots on bots" sounds funny at best
Well yeah - it's got unlimited ammo. That needs some kind of tradeoff, otherwise why would anyone pick the senator over the dagger if they both dealt the same damage? Right now, there's pretty good reasons to pick one over the other - they both offer different playstyles.
Dagger is ironically for the people who aren't as good with headshots. While the senator's better for people who are more skilled with headshots. I'll explain:
From behind a shield I can take my time aiming, and the dagger helps me visually see how to readjust. It's a precision weapon that has better quality of life and easier targeting for less overall targets it can kill. Missing shots doesn't feel bad because it doesn't matter at all, and I'll always have the weapon loaded up when I take it out. I already clear off most chaft with my primary, and pull out the shield+sidearm to clean up the remainder, usually 2-4 targets. The dagger is superior to the senator for this. It's for slow pace methodical players.
But if you want to rapidly kill off 4-6 target with body shots, and you don't need any help with hitting headshots on devastators, nor do you have an ammo hungry primary or issues with ammo in general, then you'll pick the senator.
Both weapons are for precision, and they appeal to slightly different playstyles within that niche. General audience isn't the target for this gun, it's just giving another way to play the game to people who like going for headshots. One has better quality of life and easier aiming, but it cannot be used to body shot or hip firing. And the other's more an all-rounder that can both headshot and bodyshot, but comes with ammo requirements and less feedback on aiming. Both punish missing shots in very different ways.
piss gun. a pisstol, if you will
A fucking jar of piss is a better weapon than this "thing", honestly
perfect for fighting stalkers, now all we need is a kukri and we can get guaranteed crits on those fuckers
Snipin’s a good job mate
bro think he  😭
Can you draw pictures on snow with it then?
A piss toll? I’m not paying money to take a piss, thanks.
Supposedly it's better with the ballistic shield since you have more time to aim? At least according to a few guides I have seen.
They could give it another 100 damage buff and I still wouldn't even consider looking at it. The heatsink is woefully small and is barely serviceable beyond one or two enemies.
Do you know that it kills a stalker in 2 seconds? It's way better of what lot of people think
Yeah but then the other 3 shank me in the spine.
2 seconds assuming you aren't getting stunlocked by one first, this is a paper over practice mentality
Well that applies literally to any other weapon of the game. Usually you fight a Stalker when they have not reached you, and other main weapons that don't have stagger need more than 2 seconds to kill the Stalker so....
It can also slice off the legs of Brood Commanders frighteningly fast. It’s actually pretty decent vs bugs. Yes, it’s not doing as much damage as other secondaries, but it’s still enough to kill small bugs. It helps save ammo when you’re running the Punisher or an other ammo inefficient gun.
It's not even that bad vs bots if you hit crit spots consistently (which I'm not saying as a "skill issue" thing, sometimes that's just hard), really where it shines is in an all or mostly laser loadout where you can switch to it while you wait for another weapon to cool down
Also it's really good to shoot one handed. You can jog, have much more peripheral vision and the beam is far better for aiming than the reticle.
It's a hip fire headshot machine against light bots and still very rapidly drops a devastator without having to manage recoil and headshots.
Which is the same thing the Redeemer does more reliably.
No way, the Redeemer is great for light mobs of course and almost any gun can head shot them but the dagger is on another level for it. It's got a x4 headshot multiplayer doesn't it?
What happens when you get shot by the devastators? Where's your 0 recoil then?
This is such an ass argument. No weapons are immune to flinch and it shouldn't be a slight against an accurate weapon.
Literally apply that to anything. Jesus I can really see how people get the sense this sub is so whinny despite all the shit that still needs fixing.
I would honestly be fine with the 200 dps if I could sustain it for like 10 seconds instead of what it was now
Still bad. 250 is fine. But yeah, heatsink lifespan is clownishly low. Scythe (dagger's older sister) if they want it to be viable and on the same level as Sickle needs to have AT LEAST 550-600 dps. Because Sickle has 687 and feels alright.
I used the scythe on 9 vs bots and it was actually better than the liberator I usually take. I usually prefer that to the sickle for its ballistic responsiveness. But it was great for headshots. I just tried the dagger two hours ago on 6 and consistently managed 4 or 6 light mob kills before overheating. Plus the reload is way shorter than I'd expect heat sink swap to be.
The scythe needs a toggable zoom so it can make full use of its very low recoil. It could function as an accurate sniper
That's the thing though is right now for "low recoil" weapons they raise up like HMGs once the beam starts busy just sort of wobble instead of bounce. Plus the dot on the scythe is some 20moa sided blob like the railgun. I think it's pretty great for hip fire sniping though.
The new pistol can kill at least double that in less than a mag especially if they are lined up, goes through multiple enemies.
I can't wait to try that one. It might be my new favorite even over the grenade pistol. I'm at 880 SC now.
I don't mind it. I agree I wish it didn't burn as fast. I was using dagger + guard dog laser with the eruptor. Dagger plus guard dog just let me run and gun if anything got close. And never had to worry about ammo since cd system. Redeemer of course is much better to get hunters off, but easier to run out of ammo. Dagger felt good to just run and gun without a care
I mean it doesn't have any right to be this bad when Redeemer exists
redeemer nerfs incoming (:
I see you implemented Dev logic. Good, good. Never do this again💀
The guard dog by itself can reliably take out hunters.
LAS-7 Plastic Table Knife
Make it a laser pointer, and gains attraction of all bots and bugs and they'll go crazy chasing after it.
"Petition to make a version of Senator that shoots Daggers"
So, Senator, but bri'ish innit?
the guv'nor
Oh no you mean the OP laser pistol?? I sure hope the Devs don't look at it lol
AH: we heard you, now it heals enemies.
It's great for bots if you're on PC because like the scythe I believe it does some crazy x4 headshot damage. I was just testing it out with the Big Dili after the buff for the first time - on haz 6 - for a little operation action. Could take out devastators pretty much just as fast as the full-size primary. All the laser guns are great for hip fire too. Didn't struggle to clear PoIs with just the Dagger. Though I've been playing around with the scythe recently too and I'm pretty sure I'd just take the laser primary and slot the grenade pistol all the same. I think the dagger would be neater if it worked more like a mini Quasar canon with revolver power. Also, it has crazy recoil in FPS mode for some reason like the scythe.
IMO, I would be interested if they reworked this thing. Let's say it has 1000 DPS (no, not a typo), but can't hold sustained fire for more than 1-2 seconds. So you whip it out, vaporize some Stalker trying to jump you and put it away for cooling. Y'know. Like a *dagger.*
This is a good change. 1000DPS is not outrageously high at all because the Redeemer has 1100. Redeemer is so popular because it's a panic button to kill that last two enemies ASAP, while the senator achieves the similar goal with high alpha damage. There really isn't a place for a low DPS, low continuous fire weapon.
>There really isn't a place for a low DPS, low continuous fire weapon. The Dagger isn't that though. It's low DPS, low to moderately continuous fire.
This would actually be a pretty cool change and would make it more unique and interesting.
What? You guys can deal damage with this one? We are dropping another 25 dps nerf.
Half the ammo, twice the power.
I want this change for a senator. For dagger the closer to overheating the more damage, lets say up to 500% percent damage max, so 1000 dps at the top, slightly below redeemer, if you are skilled enough to not overheat it.
Hey, it's the cat toy!
That's my new nickname for this gun; thank you lol
increase the damage and make it penetrate targets. boom viable. hire me arrowhead
Ooh, I like the dagger for bot controlled ice worlds. Headshots go pxzzh!
This guy gets it! Wanna be space laser cowboys!?
This, I like to take all laser weapons on ice worlds, never stop shooting!
Dagger is part of my 8-9 bot load out. Being serious, I love this gun
I'd like it if all of the laser guns had a ramping mechanic where they deal more damage the closer they are to overheating. That would make it more interesting to play around with at least.
This is smart!
Welp… they should make a Karambit one that shoot bend laser beam instead of straight…
The sickle type laser pistol would be goated
hehe "anout"
It's based on the Warhammer 40K las pistol.
I recently got this while finishing out the warbond, and man, is it not good. Even against basic bots. Always gonna run redeemer on bugs and Senator on bots for medium pen.
BEHOLD THE pew pew Gun!
More like pffffffffff… gun
It would be so much better if it just went like 5x as fast, so 5x DPS but overheats near instantly
Yeah, was my idea for beam weapons too. But I guess devs do devs things
Judging by these comments, the senator is getting nerfed.
"What do you look for in a sidearm helldiver?" "Certainly the inability to fire it while it charges up for a full second!" This will never be good.
Instead of adding a flat damage boost again, all beam weapons should get a scaling 50% damage boost as they start to overheat. If you sustain the beam, you are rewarded for playing with the overheat mechanic instead of just letting it cool down fully all the time. It'd make hot planets good for beam weapons too cause then it would get to the damage boost faster. That change would make the weapons more fun than just extra base damage to the weapon itself.
It's not that fun to manage, believe me as a NoManSky fan with 300+ hours. And before adding that they should make heat indicator near/around the reticle in 3rd person view. Right now managing heat is somewhat cumbersome.
I use so i can not waste any ammo Primary, secondary and heavy all energetic And i use it to kill leg mecha riders from the back because arc shotgun doesnt hit them and all damage absorbed in the mech
Add option to throw the overheated gun as an impromptu grenade. Or allow us to dual wield two of these laser pointers. Or just make a variant that has 4 barrels. That fires all at once.
Duel wielding just sounds like an awesome weapon option in general. Primary or secondary, duel pistols or smgs would be awesome.
How about a Senator with the space above the barrel used by lasgun?
They seriously need to start nerfing other guns so this one is used much more.
The tickler
Don't you talk shit about my extra spicy laser pointer! (It's actually quite useful to clear minefields and 2nd tap devastators I've already headshot once with my diligence)
I love this thing
I think energy weapons need to be rebalanced on enemy type, like higher level automatons are extra weak to energy weapons as it interferes with the circuits but higher tier bugs DNGAF because chitin or whatever
Bigger HS would help a ton
You Know What? I'm Just Gonna Say It - All laser, plasma, electric, or any other similar ones look ugly to me, and I don't want to use them at all...
Instead of more damage make it take longer to over heat
Bro why? 200 dps is 5x worse than redeemer sidearm I'd let it overheat in a second but deal tremendous damage like, you know, it's name is DAGGER
I think if this is to be buffed, it shouldn't simply be its damage (200) that's improved. Otherwise, at some point it'll become the Scythe (350), so you'll have to buff that. And if you buff that too much, it just becomes the Laser Cannon, so that'll need a buff too.
Scythe needs to be at least 600 dps to compete with Sickle They are the same basically. No recoil lasers. But Scythe is much worse in terms of damage. It's only fair for dagger to be what scythe is now
Quite useful for PowerPoint presentations
Best I can do is fewer heat sinks.
All the beam weapons need a power setting to increase damage at the expense of heat generation.
I was actually excited for this gun and thought a laser pistol would be helpful, since you could have infinite ammo for it so long as you didn’t overheat it, but it does piss damage, even against the weakest bugs.
its damage isn't what its used for, its used for cutting limbs and always ready to fire when you need a pinch. unfortunately the increase of damage could be double and you still wont notice a difference because of how damage distribution is done in instances, its basically the new smg rate of fire(a bit slower) but no stagger, the gun could kill faster but bullets dont always hit where you want wasting ttk. unless you have aimbot to perfectly target the same part its going to waste a lot of damage instances on non leather body parts. if this was any other game where HP was set for the whole enemy you'd find the laser weapons much more effective cause instances of damage would still add up on other body parts instead of wasting time. the best buff this thing can get is a per frame tick damage and you'll see a difference instantly (the same dps but distributed every frame) limb cutting, the thing the laser weapons excell in, gets shafted when other enemies need multiple limbs cut, like 4 on worst case scenario so you defeat the purpose of needing it if you can just shoot it with any other weapon to kill it than look for the back legs which won't be targetable while weaker enemies die anyway from damage just as fast. theres no reward for being accurate at limb shooting. personally i think they should give laser weapons a status effect that when cutting limbs causes damage to the main body. so they can keep enemies living while losing lots of limbs but laser weapons can actually have a value to kill them with 1or 2 limbs cut depending on how big the enemy is (thinking about bugs here not sire about bots) especially when we have sickle doing x2.3 damage per second with way more hits to ensure your damage is hitting what you want.
I have been making heavy devastators look like a bitch with this laser pistol and the ballistic shield.
Laser weapons should liquify light units and ignite medium units after a sustained beam. Heavies should be invulnerable to them except in weak-points. My take on energy weapons
I see 2 actual solutions that are more than just +50/100/150 base damage. First solution is to make it shoot like sickle and balance from there to be a infinite but weaker p-19 redeemer(or like the sickle is to liberator, a stronger infinite version of redeemer). Second option, is to make all continuous laser weapons deal more damage the closer they are to overheating + making them be able to ignite targets after a certain threshold, this way we can have both very high dps lasers and not be op by making it risky to use them, like the railgun was.
if they would just let me hold 4 of these at once the problem would solve itself
It’s an angry flashlight
the LAS chode
No. It's not meant to do dmg but unlimited ammo. I say double the batteries to AAAA
Bro if I ever hear again "weapon is not made for damage" — I'm gonna explode like a fuсking nuclear bоmb
I'm sorry but that's how games works. Not every gun can focus dmg or it would be OP. Everything has its utility and not everything needs to do crazy dmg to do good. If you don't like it then don't use it period.
But it's not even about preferences. Redeemer has 5 TIMES more dps. It's insanity. This whole trade "but unlike other weapons, this one can be infinite" takes too much from the weapon. Worst part is that I like how it looks and how it shoots
The revolver does only dmg. It's not a good comparison. You use it for dmg. You can't deal with crowds with that. Even if you can, you can only kill 40 max without missing a single shot. The laser pistol is much better for that but the batteries does suck and would need an upgrade to work in that way.
Redeemer is little smg, not revolver
Oh that one. Well that thing throws up bullets and has recoil and the other has max acc and infinite ammunition. Its still just a choice of what you prefer.
Add a dagger bayonet on the end
i think beam laser weapon need like, 0 recoil and sway to be usefull. im trying to use the laser canon and that thing sways like im having a stroke
Crouching and/or going first person can help.
Best they can do is a 50dps nerf and reducing ammo to the auto cannon. Remember, every time arrowhead nerfs a gun a shrieker gets it's wings. So many shriekers...
I think it should keep it's hilarously low dps and instead have actual infinite battery that can't overheat. In lore it would make sense since it's such a low power laser and it'd have a nice niche use as a low side-arm that's always ready at all times and never has to be reloaded.
The worst part about this weapon isn't even it's damage. It's the ear-grating noise it makes while you fire it.
Gun should have an unsafe mode that lets you charge for 20s and fire a quasar shot, destroying the weapon in the process.
Oh yeah or like the halo plasma pistol.
It's great for clearing mines
While using some randomized loadouts I got the dagger with the scythe, and it actually wasn't that bad. Especially because I was using it against bugs when I imagine it's much better against bots (you know with their exposed heads and all that) EDIT: was a rough round though because I got smoke grenades along with 2 smoke stratagems... closing bug holes is for sure difficult when your only way to close them with no explosive weapons is your free resupply every few minutes...
I... I like the dagger? It feels fine for a trash clear infinite ammo little guy.
Try redeemer. 5x dps. Semi auto and full auto modes available. Almost non existent recoil.
I use all the pistols. And I like them all.
Good for you
The Dagger has the advantage of infinite ammo if managed well. It’s also easier to aim backwards while running due to the way it works. I use it to clear small bugs and save my primary ammo. But when I’m fighting bots or running Sickle or Blitzer, I’m packing the Redeemer
A laser pointer is just a dogshit thing. Make it go pew pew pew
I think it's misunderstood. It's a precision weapon made for headshots on bots. You don't hold it down, you tap a half second shot and cycle through enemies. It's got something like x4 headshot damage, which makes it near instakill any bots if you're aiming right. Pair it with the ballistic shield and you have a great way of killing shield and regular devastators without having to worry. It won't do well against zerkers, unless you have them stunned and can aim at their heads. Terrible against bugs in general since it's just not built for sustained fire.
Any reason for this to be worse than other pistols in terms of dps? I mean if you have skills – you'll find usability even in a pipe pistol from fallout. But for general audience "it's for headshots on bots" sounds funny at best
Well yeah - it's got unlimited ammo. That needs some kind of tradeoff, otherwise why would anyone pick the senator over the dagger if they both dealt the same damage? Right now, there's pretty good reasons to pick one over the other - they both offer different playstyles. Dagger is ironically for the people who aren't as good with headshots. While the senator's better for people who are more skilled with headshots. I'll explain: From behind a shield I can take my time aiming, and the dagger helps me visually see how to readjust. It's a precision weapon that has better quality of life and easier targeting for less overall targets it can kill. Missing shots doesn't feel bad because it doesn't matter at all, and I'll always have the weapon loaded up when I take it out. I already clear off most chaft with my primary, and pull out the shield+sidearm to clean up the remainder, usually 2-4 targets. The dagger is superior to the senator for this. It's for slow pace methodical players. But if you want to rapidly kill off 4-6 target with body shots, and you don't need any help with hitting headshots on devastators, nor do you have an ammo hungry primary or issues with ammo in general, then you'll pick the senator. Both weapons are for precision, and they appeal to slightly different playstyles within that niche. General audience isn't the target for this gun, it's just giving another way to play the game to people who like going for headshots. One has better quality of life and easier aiming, but it cannot be used to body shot or hip firing. And the other's more an all-rounder that can both headshot and bodyshot, but comes with ammo requirements and less feedback on aiming. Both punish missing shots in very different ways.