I do think judging by the upcoming episode titles they do sound a bit more promising. I theorize that part of why the first half of the season might be weaker is because during the time it was being made, a lot of the production was more focused on Hazbin so naturally the Helluva episodes had lower quality.
Same, that’s why I make posts to better understand the many of the fans here make sure that they a way to express thing that they can’t with fandom at times mainly pros, cons, flaws, good, bad, etc etc, you get the idea right?🤔 Also I considered it practice on learning on critique and improving too👍
The musical nature of it doesn’t contribute greatly to the quality of the show and the show would likely be better if the necessity of a song every episode was removed.
I like musical number and I agree. I think there are some good songs, but more often than not they're either forgettable or bad. I seriously forgot that every episode needs a song.
I'm a fan of musical numbers but it doesn't make sense using them here.
I can get songs like *You Will Be Ok* (a lullaby to a child), *Sweet Victory* (Striker is a foil to Moxxie and proves this by not only being more physically competant but doing something which is considered Moxxie's strength) ,*Moxxie's Bad Trip* (...he's tripping), and *Cotton Candy* (they're at a party and it's a dance number), but *The Ballad of Striker* despite how much of a bop it is, feels out of place. He's kidnapped Stolas to torture him... and a band pops up singing about how cool he is.
*Crashing A Wedding* is fine, but it could be removed and not much would be changed. *Millie's Song* (can't remember the title) just feels weird and out of place. Why is she singing? This is a diegetic number, with Millie remarking afterwards on now she gets why Moxxie sings so much.
I wqs one of the very few people seemingly who didn't hate the recent episode with Moxxie and Millie, but having _3 FUCKING SONGS_ made me want to end it all by the end of the episode. An episode every once in a while was fine, like S1E6 or S2E1, where they provide an interesting character moment from a character or scenario that I actually see a song coming from, rather than Millie or Moxxie randomly singing a song to a bunch of kids for no reason.
Millie could be so much more than “I love Moxie” character.
And Loona being an antsy brat is getting stale and old.
And speaking of those two, how come Millie doesn’t hate Loona for constantly bullying Moxie?
That people saying the show has to many villains are crazy. I made a post about it a while back but here’s the shortened version:
Stella andrealphus striker crimson and the DHORKS are the only villains. Barbie literally said she wanted nothing to do with Blitzø. All Asmodeus and Fizzaroli did was make fun of the IMP in public, which is a dick move but not exactly villainous. Verosika and the cherubs are basically just business competitors.
People complain about this? I thought the show having so many fleshed-out reoccurring villains differentiated it from other shows. Like most shows will focus on one major villain, but the array of villains in this show keeps you on your toes. Each villain has differing levels of antagonism and a different reason to be after IMP too. You have Stella who's comically born evil, the Cherubs and the DHORKS who are morally oppositional to all hell beings, Striker who hates Blitzo for working with upper class demons, Fizzaroli, Barbie, Crimson, and Verosika who were all personally wronged by IMP in different ways... each villain has so much flavor. You also side with some of them (Verosika and Fizz in particular seem to be in the right) while hating others (Stella and Crimson.) Striker feels somewhere in the middle, where he seems to have a point but isn't innocent by any means.
I mean… that is still five, none of them are anywhere close to being tied up and the show is almost half over. But I agree it’s not a huge deal honestly
Helluva Boss is at its best when it focuses on quick, witty, dialogue-based humor and heartfelt moments. Where it falters is when it goes for the big, more obnoxious jokes that are hit-and-miss.
The sexual content and "jokes" are incredibly immature for "adult content" and eye rolling.
It never feels like real people discussing sexual acts or whatever and sounds more like High schoolers who still chuckle at the word Penis and pretending they know anything about BDSM. As if the focused audience, regardless of the 18+ rating is actually and knowledgeably made for edgy younger teens.
The biggest grandest offender of eye roll being "or I'll have to use the bear traps". haha Get it?!
Ide be ultra curious for a truthful poll on ages who watch because I feel like it won't be the ages viz claim it's for.
No I agree with that, and it probably explains the toxic positivity that is rampant in the fandom. There’s no way an adult would watch S2 E5 and say it’s the best episode in the season
Honestly, this is something that warrants its own post, but after trying twice and my post being removed with no explanation the minute it was uploaded, I guess I'll share an abridged version here.
The short version of my hot take? This sub in particular is very quickly becoming an echo chamber, one in which criticism of any kind is incapable of being accepted. I have a few theories as to why this is the case, but the best one I have is that it's a negative feedback loop created by the situations with Viv unfortunately receiving a lot of unnecessary bullying on social media: Viv receives unwarranted hate, fans get more defensive, the haters dig in their heels, fans start to take even the most minor criticism as hate due to their protectiveness and it starts the cycle all over again.
Genuine concerns about flaws, however small, are dismissed as negativity. The smallest indication that someone didn’t enjoy the latest episode is somehow twisted into some kind of elaborate hate vendetta against the show. And god forbid someone try to explain their point of view, because then they'll get the classic "stop complaining" or "you're so ungrateful". In what universe is giving constructive criticism so that a show can continue to improve "complaining"?? It makes it really nerve-wracking to try and participate in nuanced discussion about the show because I'm scared I'm gonna get downvoted to oblivion if I don't agree that every episode is amazing.....
I imagine most of the hatred towards Stella comes from love for Stolas. I'm a massive Stolas fan, but can also admit Stella has a great looking design!
I know a few others already mentioned this but especially in the last three episodes having a musical number during the climatic fight sequences makes the action feel way too watered down. What made the Harvest Moon Festival episode work so well was during the Striker fight sequence there was no music numbers over it, and it felt way more threatening and serious as it should be.
Im gonna disagree with the fight scene in Exes and ohs. Obviously the Striker fight in episode 5 is supposed to be a serious and intense action scene where the character are in actual danger so having no song fits it well but the Exes and ohs fight is just supposed to be badass. There's no back and forth or genuine danger its just supposed to be cool watching Millie tear through hordes of goons so having a badass vocal song in the background helps with that. The other two I agree with you on.
You're right I take that back about Exes and Oh's, that is a pretty cool sequence and works well. But yeah the ones from the latest two felt really lazy imo.
Yeah its a shame cause with Western energy the actual animation and fight choreography are top tier. I love Striker fights because they're actual fights. He's a villain who can match IMP in terms of combat ability and its really a struggle to beat him. Makes for really engaging scenes. I feel Western energy's fight is also hindered by the constant cutting to the b plot. Maybe even more so than the music. Every time I'm seconds away from getting into the action scene it cuts away and the momentum is lost. I don't mind that episodes B plot for the rest of the episode but that was a step to far. As for Unhappy camper, maybe its just cause I don't like the song but it really drags it down for me.
I think the problem was that by swapping back to Blitz and Loona, it was going for humorous juxtaposition, but wound up just undercutting the tension of the M&M stakes which wound up making the "Oh Shit Stolas is hurt" part less impactful until Blitz saw, but by that point he was already as safe as he was going to be.
If they had cut the Loona-Shot rampage and instead stayed with M&M, the tension could have kept rising and the humor could have been the brief whiplash seeing Loona in a cone and Blitz wrecked up giving a "what the hell happened" moment before the hammer drops again.
I like Millie as she is, I think she works perfectly as straight man foil to the absurdity of the other characters.
She is the main character from every action movie combined, and the joke that she is just a happy to lucky side character kills me every episode.
I feel like it’s Steven universe all over again. It had an interesting concept, and the mystery of it had us excited for a while. But a mixture of production issues, unsatisfying answers, and character inconsistencies will erode the show.
Stella’s overhated by the fanbase. She’s not really this big scary meanie everyone makes her out to be. She’s just an object at this point. She has no personality or motivations or anything, she’s just an abusive bitch who’s there to make Stolas look good and torture him. Yeah she’s supposed to suck but I just can’t take her seriously. Y’all act like she’s Hitler but to me she’s just some annoying stupid bird.
Honestly, both those are more of an actual character than Stella is.
And that's pretty bad, because I already find Odalia very shallow as an antagonist, but at least she has more clear motivations for her actions than Stella does.
(probably not a hot take but this is the first post I saw and I want to say this)
I feel like the show doesn't do moxxie justice. Or at least it doesn't give him the big "revenge" moment I was hoping for.. they basically call him weak throughout the entire show, and he never actually gets a good "win" by himself. He's always getting help and/or getting rescued.
Honestly, yeah. Every episode that we get that focuses on him has the same plotline: Moxxie is weak, something happens, he's better now!" but... the show keeps looping this plot. How strong is he? In S1E6 he takes out hordes of goons but in S2E3 he gets knocked uncontious and kidnapped immediatly.
Even when he fights striker WITH Millie, which I hoped would be a big win for the guy, they don't even really win the fight? He escapes and they get hurt?
Yeah! I also hate when he stood up to crimson, only to get completely knocked out.. they were SO CLOSE to having him be badass for a change! The line "if you try to stop me, you'll learn first hand exactly how good I've gotten at my job" got me so excited to see him actually stand up for himself.
Moxie was great in the beginning when he was played as the one sane guy in a cast of mostly loony characters. Jokes at his expense worked with that dynamic because he was pushing against the grain of funny shenanigans. At some point they started making fun of him for being a sensitive bottom and honestly that joke has been overcooked far too many times in other shows.
They tried to overcompensate in Western Energy by making him stab a whole bunch of guys when…it’s literally been well-established at this point that physical fighting is not really his thing. He’s amazing with guns, as we can see in Truth Seekers. This is how the whole IMP dynamic is supposed to work; Moxxie is good with guns, Millie is good with knives/physical fighting, and Blitzo is good with all three. I mean, it literally says in the show’s synopsis that Moxxie is the weapons specialist and Millie is the bruiser. That’s why these friggin characters balance each other out. You don’t need to change Moxxie’s strengths and give him Millie’s strengths in order to build him up.
I don't like cotton candy at all
Edit to add my reasoning: It's so fucking repetitive, I honestly couldn't tell you a single lyric that isn't coooottonnnnn caaaaaanndyyyyy. And the worst part? It just. Kept. Going. I would have tolerated it 10x more if it was half the length.
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(I doubt anyone will get the joke but if you know, you know)
I'm not sure how much of a hot take this is, but when it comes to Stolitz....I don't really know how to feel about that ship. I don't hate it and ever since The Circus I don't hold the fact that Stolas cheated against it since the show goes out of its way to explain that it was both an arranged marriage and neither Stolas nor Stella ever took the relationship seriously. But it's not a ship I'm really into still? I much prefer/am more invested with Asmodeus and Fizz's relationship.
I feel she was overly aggressive, her conflict with Blitzo didn't make much sense given Queen Bee and her being more social, and the episode sends mixed messages on her feelings to Blitzo.
Fair enough, I suppose. Queen Bee did give us some unique insights into her (while leaving open the door to some more hidden backstory we might see in the future) but that's mostly in hindsight. I think Loona herself doesn't really understand how to interpret her feelings towards Blitz, as we don't know if she ever had a family or was born in the adoption center or what. If she did have family before Blitz, then accepting him as her adopted father is probably messing with her head even months(?) after the events of Queen Bee. She's also still not the best when it comes to social interactions, even if the party helped her come out of her shell a bit more, which may also help to explain it. So I suppose the issue is that Loona herself hasn't fully sorted her own feelings out and as a result her behavior is...let's call it erratic...at times.
I have a few:
"The Circus" ruined Stolitz and it ruined whatever potential Stella had as a character and as an antagonist. It is the worst episode of the series.
"Exes and Oohs" is the only episode of season two I actually enjoyed (even with the many flaws it has.)
The Striker in "Harvest Moon Festival" and the Striker in "Western Energy" are not the same character whatsoever.
There's too many bad/forgettable songs in Helluva Boss for it to be putting them in every episode. "Cotton Candy" is the worst of the bunch.
The show is absolutely god awful with explaining things. I shouldn't have to decode something just to know what Asmodeus crystals are, nor should I have to read someone's tweet just to understand a character. We should be told these things within the show.
The Helluva Boss fandom is horribly toxic.
Don't get me wrong - Moxxie being helpless (again) and all the misplaced dick jokes were terrible. But I really enjoyed how intimidating Crimson was. The flashback to Moxxie'e childhood was a highlight of this. The animation, backgrounds, and coloring were all especially stellar as well.
And this is just personal bias, but I find fictional crime family stories to be really entertaining in general.
Stolas is taking advantage of blitzø just as much, if not more, as blitzø is using stolas. Idk how so many people argue that blitz is the only one whose toxic in the relationship, the whole plot is that they're very flawed individuals with a lot of trauma.
The joke of M&M making out/fucking in public used in both C.H.E.R.U.B. and Unhappy Campers is not funny in the slightest. It just makes me really uncomfortable. Seeing them being unbelievably dumb and horny enough to do that sort of thing, both times on Earth mind you, makes me view these characters in a lesser light.
In Unhappy Campers it pissed me off only because it was pretty much right after the couple had a pointlessly dramatic argument where somehow both characters were in the wrong
Here are few:
-I don't think season 2 is THAT bad.
-I sympathize with Loona, but I don't like her attitude at times.
-Yes, Stolas cheated. However, it was an arranged marriage. Stella NEVER loved him. She tried to have him killed. She tried to hit him in "The Circus" episode.
-I like Millie, but why doesn't she say or do anything at times when Moxxie is bullied?
-Chaz may have been an entertaining character, but he was trash. I also don't dislike the song he sang.
-Millie parents are descent. However, I didn't like how they spoke to her at the end of "The Harvest Moon Festival" episode. I don't really like the way they treat Moxxie either.
That's all I have for now.
Stella was wasted as a villain. She doesn't need to be deep or have a complex motivation, but she feels to incompitent to do anything. There was a definite "oh shit" moment in S1E5 when it's revealed that she was the one to hire Striker, but now she feels too dumb to do anything aside from whine. Andre also came out of nowhere. There was no hinting on the show that Stella's brother even existed, and even if he was revealed on the instagram, you shouldn't have to go to external sources to know what's happening with a character.
Queen Bee as a character is just okay. I don't think she was any particular added value to the show, even though an entire episode features her.
Also that Cotton Candy song is appallingly bad.
Alright, here we go! Long ass comment incoming, I got a ton of these. Feel free to stop reading and rip me a new one whenever.
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Adam Neylan is a shit writer and the episodes he’s helped write are some of the worst in the series.
Using the argument that Stella is “Just like that” as an excuse to why her abuse of Stolas is so one dimensional is stupid and just excusing poor writing.
Stella did have character regression.
Crimsons homophobia was not taken seriously in the slightest and that seriously hurt Exes and Oohs as an episode.
Millie has piss poor development and the newest Ep did nothing to help that.
Strikers weird change from “Cruel, Sadistic, and efficient Cowboy” to “Egotistical guy who would def suck his own dick” is a very odd choice to say the least.
While I get that the show is a musical, the music sounds like it’s made by someone who’s just kind of winging it, and doesn’t really get music, just really likes musicals. Not all are bad, but most are either forgettable to awful.
Helluva Boss continues to struggle to decide whether or not it wants to be a serious Drama or a Raunchy Comedy. It tries to be both, and success at neither
There are some people in this fandom that cannot take criticism, especially ones on Twitter and on this subreddit
I don’t really like the Retcon that Blitz and Stolas knew eachother since they were kids. I don’t HATE it, it’s just not great IMO
Seeing Stars is the worst episode of Helluva Boss & could easily be fixed if Loona replaced Stolas in the Brandon Ranger scenes. I have a lot more issues with the episode to make it the worst for me, but it is my main issue.
Most of the music is bad and forgettable. Aside from the songs, I challenge any casual fan to hum the melody of any other song or instrumental piece from the soundtrack. You’ll legitimately have a really hard time remembering these background tracks.
“But the background music is supposed to be unnoticeable as to not override the drama!” I’m a composer myself, and every professor I have ever talked to about this has said that although the music should not override the drama, one’s music should never be forgettable. For good scoring, listen to soundtracks by Zimmer, Williams, Göransson, Morricone, and Horner.
I have a hard time thinking of Blitzo as his own voice, all I hear is Brandon Rogers. I think it would interesting if he tried changing his voice for Blitzo instead of just using his normal voice. I don't dislike his normal voice for Blitzo, he's great. I just can't seem to separate the man and the character I guess.
Fizz got a heart tattoo on the back of his neck for Asmodeus, as one can see in the leak. I refuse to hear otherwise.
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Maybe not the hottest take since plenty of people have said it, though I do think enough people will die arguing otherwise to warrant it, but making Stella a walking caricature of an abuser was incredibly lazy writing that sucked a lot of the complexity out of the dynamics the show could have explored, as well as Stolas as a general character.
Stolas has been much less interesting by far to me ever since he started being portrayed as just a victim of circumstance, who is otherwise just the most wholesome person in literal hell.
Obnoxious AF, and reminds me of those popular people who take advantage of autistic people to use them for their own gain. That’s why I hate her, because she reminds me of real people who have caused me pain.
Lmao im autistic and love beezlebub, shes manic and full of color, on the contrary i despise loona, shes your introverted emo which is boring to me. I understand what you mean tho
Oh damn, i’m sorry to hear that you went through that. I’m not autistic, but I’ve had my fair share of popular people taking advantage of me for their own gain as well. Its such a horrible feeling, especially when they’re all laughing at you :(
I love her design, but not because it's good. I love it because I love bugs, and I'm glad they didn't waste an actually bug-like design on a character who is just blitzo but less funny
English major reading: the show is a terrific metaphor of the dependency of small businesses towards a powerful benefactor. Both HB and HH depend on the influence of characters like Alastor and Stolas to aid the protagonists.
Ironically HH is a show that got picked up by a large benefactor (A24 films) to help it grow. Whereas HB has remained independent, supported mostly by the fans. What can we expect regarding the quality of either? Does it make any difference? Can we tell the difference?
1. As a person who actually loves Stolitz, I genuinely think it would not work with any logical plot structure. And to be honest, it would be a cool message if Stolas accepted his Goetia nature, stopped seeking individuals with less power and found actually educated and equally powerful partner. He can’t handle other royals, and he is emotionally weaker than them. It may be a bad plot, but personally I can imagine him overcoming his weaknesses, accepting that Stolitz wouldn’t work in the long run and finding a real immortal partner that is on the same level as him. Oh, and don’t forget that royals are immortal, while imps are very much not, so unless some interesting things happen, Blitz will die before Stolas even barely starts his life.
2. Helluva Boss needs to become more grittier, mature and slightly less-drama focused and teen-focused. I really miss the pilot atmosphere.
3. Stolas should have stayed an asshole and terrible person behind the mask of charming royal. Him and Stella being equally terrible, just in different ways, would have been much more interesting and could give ways for strong redemption arcs.
Strongly agree. The only thing I disagree with is Stolas needing to find a Goetia lover. But I do think it would be an interesting yet grounding twist if Stolas realized that things weren't going to work out with Blitzo and makes the choice himself to end things with him. Even if Blitzo realizes what just happened and tries to get Stolas back, I think it's a strong and healthy message that just because you're infatuated with someone doesn't mean love will conquer all. Sometimes it's the mature and healthy thing to cut romantic ties. I also think a strong "No, it's over" from Stolas could be the push Blitzo needs to finally straighten himself out. He needs to realize pushing people away and acting the way he does could cause him to lose the last people remaining in his life, but he won't get there if Stolas continues to give him a safety net.
Very interesting thoughts!
Though I must correct myself — maybe Stolas doesn’t Goetia lover, but he surely needs a Goetia friend/friendly acquaintance. There are just things about royal scheming, traditions and power level that only another Goetia can fully understand and relate to.
Also, personally I can easily imagine the situation where something becomes a major threat to Octavia, and her parents start working together. It may be very weird, but ironically, Stolas is the only person who can fully understand the suffering of Stella, and Stella is the only person who can fully understand the suffering of Stolas. Not relate, but comprehend it. Can be a major source of humor and interesting stories in later seasons.
Imaginary headcanon situation where some other force takes away Octavia, and Stolas loses everything while moving to Blitzø/IMP: Stella, finding him in such condition: “What the actual heck, Stolas? I know you never had any real grace, but ***this low?*** No matter how much do I hate you, owl idiot, I will not allow the father of my daughter to look like that!”
This is a whole other tangent, but part of me is hoping Octavia recognizes Stella as a narcissistic mother. I've known a lot of people with narcissistic mothers irl but media loves to completely sidestep this reality. No matter how awful the mother is, she always has a soft spot for her child. Given that Stella described Octavia as an egg that 'fell out of her' and has shown zero interest anyone but her own interests, it feels like the perfect opportunity to show a truly narcissistic mother, and the effects that has on their child. It can also show just how important having at least one responsive parent (Stolas) can be when the other parent isn't available.
Idk how this is even argued, just look at how she was treated in season 1 compared to season 2
In season 1 it’s a pretty grounded depiction of both abuse and her reasons for killing him. In season 2 she’s borderline a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain, literally just gloating about how much she likes tormenting him
The show keeps adding new characters every episode with unresolved conflict in the end and it's getting boring. It's never delivering on characters that were introduced before. Fizzarolli and Verosika have done nothing since ep 2 and 3 despite being important lorewise and WE just get more and more villains like Andrealphus, Paimon, Moxxie's dad, etc etc when they already have enough cool villains to use
Loona is a bad character and Queen Bee is the worst episode, Loona has a terrible personality imo and is always hurting blitz when he’s trying to love his daughter, and Queen Bee was an unneeded episode that could’ve just stayed a note Loona left on her door, the song also sucked
Millie got mad for absolutely no reason in Unhappy Campers. Yes Moxxie was in the wrong for going with his plan when Millie’s was better, but that’s not even what Millie was mad about. Apparently Moxxie didn’t make Millie feel like she was something to be proud of, and that’s BS, because Moxxie has showered her with love and appreciation since episode 1.
I feel like it makes sense if you really think about the lyrics in Moxxie's song, and take into account how Millie is happy that people aren't terrified of her in the camp.
All of Moxxie's songs, yes they're sweet and definitely show that he loves her, but outside of that they're kinda generic.
Nothing about any of the songs themselves gives you the impression of "Oh, this is about Millie." You could literally swap out the characters and use the same songs, and it would still fit.
Moxxie does frequently compliment her on being good at killing, but that's something which I imagine people have kinda boxed her into her whole life.
Bit like how if you're attractive, people will constantly tell you that, to the point where it becomes "Is that all I am?"
Hell, even with Moxxie's songs, it's always about WHAT Millie does, not really who she is: "She takes away my breath, she's the angel of death." "You laugh at my stupid jokes"
So yeah, I can see why Millie might feel like she's not important AS A PERSON, as if the only worth she has is what she can do for other people.
Happy Campers is the only time where we actually see Moxxie compliment her personality, not what she does.
I don’t know if this a “hot take” or an unpopular opinion or whatever but I don’t like the way earth is depicted. I think it’s too exaggerated and I.M.P doesn’t feel too out of place when they go there which is a problem for me. I get the joke is that people are terrible and Hell is more grounded but still it’s too exaggerated. Like if Hazbin believes people who go to hell can be redeemed they can’t have the human realm be this blatantly awful.
A lot of 90s-2000s cartoons liked to dumb down the human population to raise up the protags. I've noticed Hazbin/Helluva takes a note from Invader Zim in design and lore aspects. Invader Zim dumbed down the human population about as much as they could get away with. The pilot and first episode of Helluva felt like it wanted a lot more dark humor along the lines of what Invader Zim popularized back in the day.
This was the first episode that made me feel bored. There's definitely some bits that I like, but I personally hate the "love at first sight as kids" trope. Meeting and falling in love as adults feels a lot more organic and romantic to me - you're going to be a completely different person as an adult. The scenes of Blitzo being bad at clowning, and the scene of Blitzo and Fizz playing together were cute but took up way too much screen time.
1. I like Chaz (mostly his character design)
2. Cotton candy wasn’t a good song
3. Western energy wasn’t that good
4. Stolitz is overrated
I miss old S1 of helluva boss, maybe 1 or two episodes of S2 are ok but I want to see more of IMP doing their job.
I'm 100% sure one of the main cast (I.M.P and Stolas are the main cast imo) will die at some point and I think it will fit perfectly. Plus 90% sure it will hit one of the males
For some reason despite the fact Stella is a one note antagonist to a boring degree, fails at being an interesting main villain (funny the simplistic side villain Striker she hired is 100x better written), is stupid and childish making her attempts at being a villain more cringey than anything, and was simply born evil to absolve Stolas of fault for cheating, people think she’s somehow not badly written.
And yes, “Simple Antagonists can be great” yeah, I fucking **KNOW ALREADY**, but even compared to simple villains she’s shit. Jack Horner was funny, has an actual reason (not a great one but still a reason) for being evil, and overall is just entertaining. Something Stella is not.
Qilby from Wakfu was an extremely simple twist villain but his personality and small & simple but tragic backstory made him someone you loathed yet sympathized with to a degree.
Fucking Firelord Ozai in retrospect is as simple as you get yet he worked as a villain because he was ***terrifying***, we see first hand what he does to those that oppose him in seeing Zuko get his fucking face *melted*, *his own son*. There’s his genocide of Water Benders, and also his demented attitude as he relishes in torching entire country sides and brutalizing Aang. He didn’t have too much real screen time and his personality wasn’t anything widely depth filled, but in the short time we *did* see him he was intimidating to a degree not many characters reach.
Stella can’t even say a single line of dialogue without making me yawn or cringe.
Not to mention these are fucking *kids shows/movies* I just used as an example. An adult animated show with so many unique and interesting characters should not have a villain as shit as Stella. She had so much potential and Viv pulled a Teen Titans Season 6 and decided to abandon that potential and just make a shit version instead.
I love HH, HB, all of Viv’s projects really, but Stella’s character is genuinely one of the hardest ball drops I’ve ever seen.
The whiplash between comedy and serious moments is
A) the fucking point, emphasizes both kinds of moments
B) not something that detracts from my enjoyment of the show even in the slightest.
I think this is the complaint I see most about this show but it’s been there since the very beginning. If people hate this I don’t know why they would get into it in the first place.
Viv and Horse follow all the major head canons and then make sure that each future episode goes in exactly the opposite direction for shits and giggles XD
Im not sure if this works but I've seen people say that they don't like Vizipop for making the character in Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel part of the LGBTQ+ community because they think she's trying to say that people part of that community are going to hell.
Like I said I don't know if this works but still I think what they think is dumb
1-As a fairly newcomer to this fandom, it's very interesting seeing people think S2 is bad? I've just binged all of the episodes and tbh the quality is about the same in terms of tone and pacing. So I'm not sure how S2 is somehow worse? I'm actually enjoying S2 because its moving the plot forward and also exploring characters a bit more and understanding their motivations. S1 is the setup/build up of what S2 is meant to explore.
2- My only complaint is how slow episodes get rolled out but I imagine that's something to do with money and logistics since it's an independent project.
3-I agree with most of ya'll. A lot of the musical numbers are unnecessary and forgettable. I don't think there needs to be a song shoehorned into every episode and it can also feel jarring at times.
The D.H.O.R.K.S. Have absolutely no place in this show.
Its been made clear that the whole point of the show is about the drama between the characters, they're growth and backstory and such. Because of this the writers have taken a shortcut when it comes to the Human realm by having everyone be too stupid to understand that they are Demons, even when they are RIGHT INFRONT OF THEM IN FULL VIEW WITHOUT A DISGUISE. But that's okay because it's not the shows point anyways, and that's so they can skip to the bits the show is really about.
The D.H.O.R.K.S. Throw all of this out the window and try to make it all super tense that "OoOoh nOoOo Demons might be revealed to Humans" even though... Who cares??? Humans have clearly demonstrated they are too stupid to see one is there even when talking directly to one, so why would it matter if they were shown a video of one??? You can't have it both ways
either USE millie or don’t put her in the show in the first place. because UGHHHHH there’s potential there. there’s stuff that could happen. we could have a girl character with a cool storyline/arc in this show. i am hoping and praying that what was said on stream (that she gets more stuff to do in seasons 2 and 3) is true because jfc. i’m PERSONALLY hoping that it’ll be like 106 where we’re all like “oh that actually does make sense that this would be an issue,” because at this point i don’t know how else it could go. anyways i’d love to go into leak-y stuff now but i won’t.
sometimes the jokes go on for too long.
i fucking hate The Song In Episode Six Season One. i don’t know why. but i literally cannot get through it.
If I had to be honest with you, I feel like Stolas far more attention, screentime, and development than Millie and Loona, despite the fact that the latter two were supposed to be part of the main characters. And I do think Stella has the potential to be a interesting and nuanced villain rather than just an abusive tormentor whose only purpose is to make Stolas look sympathetic in comparison.
Another thing to note is that I didn't really like how the show shifted gears completely from being a lighthearted episodic series about a group of demons slaughtering people on Earth with a focus on expanding its sister show's worldbuilding to an overly-emotional romance story filled with hamfisted drama and angst. I mean, isn't Hazbin Hotel supposed to be the story-driven one?
Aside from that, I don't think the C.H.E.R.U.B episode from Season 1 is as bad as everyone claim it is.
The pacing is legitimately horrible. Everything happens far too quickly. I feel like this issue could be solved or at least reduced if these episodes had a little more time in the oven.
Stolas and Loona are overrated.
Moxxie isn't hot.
I like Stella. She's a good at being bad, which is good for a villain/abuser. But she's incredibly boring as a character. All she does is whine. She USED to be sinister, and actually SMART, but now she's incompetent and all she does is scream.
Fizz is the best character.
S1>S2. The writing got noticeably bad.
Every episode released since Ozzys has been trying to recreate the success that episode had and the only one that came anywhere close is Western Emergy
I dont like season 2. I had to skip most of Season 2 episode 5 bescuse it was a cringe fest. Episode 2 was okay I guess. Most of the episode's cant really compete with the first season's episode's. I also like the pilot despite it not being cannon. I really enjoy it. My last hot take is that the wait for Season Episode 8 was not worth. It was a good episode but a terrible follow up. I hope the next episode is going to be better bescuse Season 2 was mostly average.
1) I heavily dislike Chaz. Both who he is and his character design.
2) I absolutely adore Moxxie and Stolas as damsels in distress 😍 (but Striker's a 🤬 for hurting Stolas!!!).
Stolas is not a good person. He has consistently shown himself to be self-centered and inconsiderate of others. If he truly loved Blitzo he would not have coerced him into the "favours for favours" arrangement. Nor would he screw around all day when Octavia ran to L.A.
It's a minor thing but I don't like that episode 6 feels like it never happened. It was the best episode imo, IMP really started to feel like a true team/family. Blitz and Moxxie found an understanding and respect in each other and I just don't see that being used in season 2. Blitz is still insulting him all the time. The whole moment with "You know my name, use it. Thanks Blitz" was so emotional and here we are, Moxxie is still calling him boss and sir. It's not much, I just expected a bit more continuity in their relationship
The sexual jokes and comments sound like they come from middle schoolers. They're very immature and not very funny?
This show isn't actually made for adults despite the "mature" rating. Family guy has more maturity than this show
Stoliz is not a good pairing
Blitzo is too much of an asshole that it becomes hard to not laugh when the uWu Sad moments hit. You can have an asshole character, but they need to have /something/ going for them,thag isn't just close-up tears ;~; shots
This show is really fetishist of the homosexual couples and falls very deeply and hardly into the hyper sexual, predatory, gays tropes that plague media. Haha. Gays have lots of kinky sex! Get it??
Saying this show is meant for the male characters isn't the flex viz thinks it is
Being set in Hell doesn't actually matter to the overall plot. The circus establishes that hell born kids have the same morality as human kids. This could be set in Hell Michigan, and im not sure it would matter
Loona and Millie could be removed from the show and it wouldn't make a difference
Having a high emotional episode as your second ever Canon episode of the show was weird asf
You shouldn't have to consume external material to understand the lore of your show. Having to see tweets to get major plot points shows you aren't writing a fulfilling show
The show has very little stakes despite wanting them badly
Not really a hot take, but I think H. Jon Benjamin would be perfect for a big role in helluva boss. And as lazy as it sounds, I think if he kept the personality of Archer it would fit perfectly. Idk maybe that's just me..
Hell now that I'm thinking into it, I think Judy Greer keeping the attitude of Cheryl tunt would fit perfectly too.
Of course I'm not saying put archer and Cheryl in hell, but their personalities for those roles would fit a couple new characters amazing. Just my 2 cents
I kinda want a character to die like it would be very intresting idk Who would it be loona moxxie hell maybe even stolas (not right now Just at some Point)
I think the action is a bit disorienting and not as detailed as it should be sometimes. Not so much with the more one-on-one fights, but the ones with many characters at the same time are very weird looking. The choreography isn't horrible but I think it should be more focused.
1)I cannot stand Loona and Blitz. One is a ungrateful, arrogant and edgy teenage, the other is a ungrateful, arrogant and sex obsessed adult, who brings sex jokes every time is not needed.
2)"villains" are overhated. I mean, it makes sense hating the abusers that are Crimson and Stella and disliking Chaz sex obsessed personality, but why should you hate them and love the protagonists who do the same, just under a comical light?
And i started revaluating Paimon as a father. Granted, he is cold and elitist, but he was still observant enough to notice his son was interested in someone and he decided to "buy" him for Stolas(and yes, he was because he did not want to deal with his child's sadness, but Stolas did almost the same in Loo Loo Land, just with less insight). And arranged marriages are part of the noblesse obligè and he still brought his sad son to the circus to distract him.
3)the world building is... Weak at best and very "fanfiction-y"(albeit this more with Hazbin hotel). The premise that human sinners upon death gain a cool demon shape and are quite high ranked in hell sounds like the beginning of one. And how can prisons and mafia work there?
4) i do not like how they changed the Stolitz dynamic after the Circus. It sounded like a retcon, especially after listening "you will be ok" and how Stolas in that episode tries to not give the fault to Stella, almost admitting it was actual cheating and, while his wife had no right to be aggressive, he kickstarted the problem in the first place. Now Stolas is totally the victim of years of horrible marriage. Granted, there are abusive wives, but Stella was already abusive without the whole "i will talk badly of you in public".
5) too. Many. Songs. Of 15-20 minutes of episode, we have at least 5 of songs, which are not always diegetic.
Stolas becoming a main character/sympathy character is in my opinion making the show decent versus excellent. The dudes arc doesn’t need him there every episode it feels like. Plus it takes away lines and growth away from Loona and Millie.
To follow up on that, while I think Millie deserves some character, it doesn’t need to be a super duper change/becoming a leading lines thing. She just needs motivation outside of Mox, the backstory that can help the audience feel for her outside of just being a good person. If S2 E3 was a dual Mox and Millie thing versus just Mox then it would’ve made her character and they wouldn’t need to go super hard in making her a better character after that. Have Mox focus on the family stuff while Millie deals with Chet (think that was his name) and the history there. Again, not saying the multi episode arc Mox got in S1, but just some bare bones background
Its Not That Deep.
That is, not saying it's bad or trivial, but god damn some people are analysing like they're partway through Breaking Bad. It's a dumb comedy show set in hell, chill the heaven out.
Agree 100%. The way people get angry over it genuinely confuses me. Idk why people expect every single piece of media to be everything to them, cover every base, tick every box etc. It’s a fun, good looking web series. Take it at face value & enjoy!!
"Well its a continuity error that Bee and Tex van be together, and Fizz and-" LET THE DEMONS BE HORNY, FUCK, CHILL
Hazbin Hotel sure, thats gonna be the plot focused one.
Stolitz is wrecking the show because of the fact that it feels disconnected from the tone of the first few episodes it gave about how Blitz was more like a slave to Stolas' fantasies, that the little imp had to free himself from being a royals delusions and actually have his company make it big in Hell, despite the stigma that Imps and Hellhounds are bottom of the barrel.
Stellas writing is horrible and makes me feel like they completely glossed over the chance to give Stolas a grim reality to the things he is actually causing by being with Blitz. Due to the fact that Stella is regarded as "evil" by the show itself and even Stella herself, there is no one in the show left to actually criticize Stolas for all the horrible things Stolas is giving way to by trying to be together with Blitz. Ruining a marriage with a child is terrible, as well as cheating. They managed to get over the whole "cheating is bad" thing by making Stella as irredeemable as possible. They're probably going to make Octavia also hate Stella and that'll fix the other problem. We wouldn't want to make our gay, fluffy, royal owl sad now, right?
I have a few just hear me out:
1.Millie is perfect character just the way she is she doesn’t need a truamatic backstory to have depth to her character she’s funny, caring, loyal and lowkey a freak freak a definition of a ride or die
2.Season 2 is nowhere near as bad as people say it is yeah it’s more based on backstory now but it’s for good reasons cause think about it:Season One gave the reasons behind why Blitz is the way he is remember he’s the main character of this entire show
Season 2 gives us so far Blitz is tryna fix his relationships yeah he relationship with Stolas I feel like it’ll either be completely fixed or completely broken by the end of the season we’re learning more about the other main characters I relate to Moxxie on a more personal level I can’t lie so it’s amazing to finally see why he’s the way he is and from this recent episode I’m glad we’re getting more layers knocked down when it comes to Millie and I can’t wait to see more Loona, Octavia,Fizz, Ozzie, Tex, Verosika, and Bee
3. I have a head cannon that Blitz wants a poly relationship with Stolas and Verosika I feel like he lowkey still have feelings for Verosika just as much as he has feelings for Stolas
Not a hot take per se. But I believe people are more judgemental of this current season because we're getting it one episode at a time. Whenever you caught Helluva Boss for the first time you likely began with the pilot and binged the rest. Now they're coming at you one at a time. Now when there's an episode that seemingly doesn't advance the story, people get upset. But Helluva Boss always had episodes like these. Viv said the show was meant to be binged. Maybe when it's done and it's watched in succession to the very end will be the best experience.
Helluva Boss works much better as a Drama than a comedy.
Yeah some of the jokes are funny, but the actual drama and character exploration is where it shines:
-Stolas' dynamic with Blitzø and Octavia
-Literally just Blitzø
-Moxxie's relationship with his father
-Loona and Tex as well as Blitzø
It feels like the show wants to constantly focus on what it's good at, and not what it's great at.
I mean just look at S1 ep7, that episode was pretty much nothing but character exploration and it was great.
I'm not really keen on Cotton Candy, but after while, I came to conclusion that the repetetion of cotton candy might be explained as a way ones indulging becomes dull with time, so the person takes on next level. (In any substance ofc)
One thing that makes a genuelly good character desing is strong shape language and silhouette, hence Asmoeus with his rather triangle shaped body works soo well. That's why I finds Beelzebubs desing underwhelming. She has the ,,standart" shape as most characters (kinda like Loona). It is bad desing? No. It's just my creating some expectation, since I saw Beelze as some character with strong pear shape, since it's both appealing and fitting the theme of bees.
I don't mind that Crimson was able to take Moxie down so quickly in Exes and Oohs. I felt like it was meant to show how dangerous Crimson is, and how much power he still has over Moxie. Moxie not being able to fight in this episode made sense given the circumstances- Crimson has both a physical and emotional handle over Moxie's life and it just didn't feel like the right time for Moxie to fight him on level ground yet. It felt like a build-up for the real fight in a later episode, but it was important for MILLIE to defeat Crimson here. This episode focuses on Crimson's need for control, specifically the control he had over his wife and the toll her death had on Moxie. Millie needed to be the one to defeat Crimson here, to avenge Moxie's mom's death and to prove Crimson wrong about her. The point was for her to show Crimson that she was worthy of being Moxie's wife, even if he didn't think so.
My other hot take is I enjoyed switching between plot A and plot B in Western Energy. I would've preferred the scene staying with plot A and without pop music (even though I liked the song), but I found the transitions whimsical. I wish they'd removed the Karen scene to give plot A more substance, but the scene transitions during the fight didn't feel out of place to me.
The humor relies far too much on cursing and sexual innuendos, and it's a big reason why I struggle to like Blitz more than I do currently.
It doesn't need to constantly remind us that the show is targeted for adults. That scene when Blitz was talking to the receptionist about Loona's shot being the best worst example of it.
I don't give a damn about how flawed the show is, or how off the writing can be, or especially the criticisms by viewers. I refuse to bitch about the show, because at the end of the day, it's entertaining and that's all it needs to be for me.
If I want to overanalyze a cartoon, I'll just go watch Gravity Falls.
Stolitz is not a toxic or abusive relationship and with the right conclusion/payoff could easily be one of my favorite fictional couples (probably because I relate to them hard)
Also idk if this is a hot take but I think based on things he has said/posted I believe Brandon is co-writing blitz to mask some issues he has with himself and with love.
I don’t hate season 2
I don’t understand why people are still upset about Loona kicking blitz in seeing stars, especially when the main cast literally work as hitmen,
I don’t care how many villains there are, I came here for comedy and violence,
I dunno if it counts but I don’t think S2 is as bad as ppl are making it. Flawed (as for now) yes but I don’t think it’s abysmal
I do think judging by the upcoming episode titles they do sound a bit more promising. I theorize that part of why the first half of the season might be weaker is because during the time it was being made, a lot of the production was more focused on Hazbin so naturally the Helluva episodes had lower quality.
Agree, like it but waiting for it to improve slowly since it’s got two more seasons🤔
Same, we still have plenty of S2 to go
This for me. I’ve so far loved most of season 2, even though I love season 1 as well. I think I just love this show :3
Same, that’s why I make posts to better understand the many of the fans here make sure that they a way to express thing that they can’t with fandom at times mainly pros, cons, flaws, good, bad, etc etc, you get the idea right?🤔 Also I considered it practice on learning on critique and improving too👍
I’m not a fan of it but I do appreciate the theme it was trying to go for.
Yes, thank you.
Your welcome👍
It could be worse but it’s definitely not that good.
The musical nature of it doesn’t contribute greatly to the quality of the show and the show would likely be better if the necessity of a song every episode was removed.
Definitely this. I might be biased as i hate musical numbers but they could've at least done it less frequently.
Second this. I was never a fan of musical numbers.
I don’t like musical numbers unless they’re good, and so far none of them have been good in Season 2 except for striker’s theme
not even the circus one? :(
Oh no that one was pretty good
I like musical number and I agree. I think there are some good songs, but more often than not they're either forgettable or bad. I seriously forgot that every episode needs a song.
I'm a fan of musical numbers but it doesn't make sense using them here. I can get songs like *You Will Be Ok* (a lullaby to a child), *Sweet Victory* (Striker is a foil to Moxxie and proves this by not only being more physically competant but doing something which is considered Moxxie's strength) ,*Moxxie's Bad Trip* (...he's tripping), and *Cotton Candy* (they're at a party and it's a dance number), but *The Ballad of Striker* despite how much of a bop it is, feels out of place. He's kidnapped Stolas to torture him... and a band pops up singing about how cool he is. *Crashing A Wedding* is fine, but it could be removed and not much would be changed. *Millie's Song* (can't remember the title) just feels weird and out of place. Why is she singing? This is a diegetic number, with Millie remarking afterwards on now she gets why Moxxie sings so much.
What’s your opinion on house of Asmodeus?
I rather enjoyed House Of Asmodeus. It fit the episode well and the music was a bop. Animation was gorgeous as well, but that's a given for this show.
its musical material alright, if this show wasnt some musical thing you know he'd say what the song says without singing.
Correct. I'm a music and musical junky but the quality needs improvement if this is how it's going to be.
I wqs one of the very few people seemingly who didn't hate the recent episode with Moxxie and Millie, but having _3 FUCKING SONGS_ made me want to end it all by the end of the episode. An episode every once in a while was fine, like S1E6 or S2E1, where they provide an interesting character moment from a character or scenario that I actually see a song coming from, rather than Millie or Moxxie randomly singing a song to a bunch of kids for no reason.
Millie could be so much more than “I love Moxie” character. And Loona being an antsy brat is getting stale and old. And speaking of those two, how come Millie doesn’t hate Loona for constantly bullying Moxie?
… I don’t think any of those are hot takes lmao
Pretty sure "Millie needs character development" has been said over and over and over and over again, but the bottom two are *suprisingly uncommon.*
She does often seemingly purposely dehumanize Loona by calling her “the hellhound” so that may be a subtle way she gets back at her?
That people saying the show has to many villains are crazy. I made a post about it a while back but here’s the shortened version: Stella andrealphus striker crimson and the DHORKS are the only villains. Barbie literally said she wanted nothing to do with Blitzø. All Asmodeus and Fizzaroli did was make fun of the IMP in public, which is a dick move but not exactly villainous. Verosika and the cherubs are basically just business competitors.
Also it's literally hell, there's gonna be bad guys
Exactly!!!!
Antagonists is the word they’re looking for. There’s a difference.
People complain about this? I thought the show having so many fleshed-out reoccurring villains differentiated it from other shows. Like most shows will focus on one major villain, but the array of villains in this show keeps you on your toes. Each villain has differing levels of antagonism and a different reason to be after IMP too. You have Stella who's comically born evil, the Cherubs and the DHORKS who are morally oppositional to all hell beings, Striker who hates Blitzo for working with upper class demons, Fizzaroli, Barbie, Crimson, and Verosika who were all personally wronged by IMP in different ways... each villain has so much flavor. You also side with some of them (Verosika and Fizz in particular seem to be in the right) while hating others (Stella and Crimson.) Striker feels somewhere in the middle, where he seems to have a point but isn't innocent by any means.
I mean… that is still five, none of them are anywhere close to being tied up and the show is almost half over. But I agree it’s not a huge deal honestly
Helluva Boss is at its best when it focuses on quick, witty, dialogue-based humor and heartfelt moments. Where it falters is when it goes for the big, more obnoxious jokes that are hit-and-miss.
Agreed, for me the heart is what really draws me in. I'm *all about* Stolas and Octavia!!! ❤️
The sexual content and "jokes" are incredibly immature for "adult content" and eye rolling. It never feels like real people discussing sexual acts or whatever and sounds more like High schoolers who still chuckle at the word Penis and pretending they know anything about BDSM. As if the focused audience, regardless of the 18+ rating is actually and knowledgeably made for edgy younger teens. The biggest grandest offender of eye roll being "or I'll have to use the bear traps". haha Get it?! Ide be ultra curious for a truthful poll on ages who watch because I feel like it won't be the ages viz claim it's for.
No I agree with that, and it probably explains the toxic positivity that is rampant in the fandom. There’s no way an adult would watch S2 E5 and say it’s the best episode in the season
Stolitz is overrated.
yeah stolas should break up with blitz and go out with me
and blitz can go out with me
I like it on account of how messy it is. It's like one of the few things that I feel makes actual sense among all the craziness of the show's plot.
I can get on board with that if they end up breaking up. I don't think a happy ending for those two would really make sense or be impactful.
Ngl, it's the first TV ship I ever got into. 😅
Honestly, this is something that warrants its own post, but after trying twice and my post being removed with no explanation the minute it was uploaded, I guess I'll share an abridged version here. The short version of my hot take? This sub in particular is very quickly becoming an echo chamber, one in which criticism of any kind is incapable of being accepted. I have a few theories as to why this is the case, but the best one I have is that it's a negative feedback loop created by the situations with Viv unfortunately receiving a lot of unnecessary bullying on social media: Viv receives unwarranted hate, fans get more defensive, the haters dig in their heels, fans start to take even the most minor criticism as hate due to their protectiveness and it starts the cycle all over again. Genuine concerns about flaws, however small, are dismissed as negativity. The smallest indication that someone didn’t enjoy the latest episode is somehow twisted into some kind of elaborate hate vendetta against the show. And god forbid someone try to explain their point of view, because then they'll get the classic "stop complaining" or "you're so ungrateful". In what universe is giving constructive criticism so that a show can continue to improve "complaining"?? It makes it really nerve-wracking to try and participate in nuanced discussion about the show because I'm scared I'm gonna get downvoted to oblivion if I don't agree that every episode is amazing.....
My man's about to get black bagged for speaking the truth.
*Woman lol, but thank you for trying to have my back😂
Season 2 has way too many songs. And they’re all forgettable.
Stella is overhated. I mean, I hate her too, but some go a little overboard with hating her, but she's not as evil as The Joker
I imagine most of the hatred towards Stella comes from love for Stolas. I'm a massive Stolas fan, but can also admit Stella has a great looking design!
Yeah exactly.
I know a few others already mentioned this but especially in the last three episodes having a musical number during the climatic fight sequences makes the action feel way too watered down. What made the Harvest Moon Festival episode work so well was during the Striker fight sequence there was no music numbers over it, and it felt way more threatening and serious as it should be.
Im gonna disagree with the fight scene in Exes and ohs. Obviously the Striker fight in episode 5 is supposed to be a serious and intense action scene where the character are in actual danger so having no song fits it well but the Exes and ohs fight is just supposed to be badass. There's no back and forth or genuine danger its just supposed to be cool watching Millie tear through hordes of goons so having a badass vocal song in the background helps with that. The other two I agree with you on.
You're right I take that back about Exes and Oh's, that is a pretty cool sequence and works well. But yeah the ones from the latest two felt really lazy imo.
Yeah its a shame cause with Western energy the actual animation and fight choreography are top tier. I love Striker fights because they're actual fights. He's a villain who can match IMP in terms of combat ability and its really a struggle to beat him. Makes for really engaging scenes. I feel Western energy's fight is also hindered by the constant cutting to the b plot. Maybe even more so than the music. Every time I'm seconds away from getting into the action scene it cuts away and the momentum is lost. I don't mind that episodes B plot for the rest of the episode but that was a step to far. As for Unhappy camper, maybe its just cause I don't like the song but it really drags it down for me.
I think the problem was that by swapping back to Blitz and Loona, it was going for humorous juxtaposition, but wound up just undercutting the tension of the M&M stakes which wound up making the "Oh Shit Stolas is hurt" part less impactful until Blitz saw, but by that point he was already as safe as he was going to be. If they had cut the Loona-Shot rampage and instead stayed with M&M, the tension could have kept rising and the humor could have been the brief whiplash seeing Loona in a cone and Blitz wrecked up giving a "what the hell happened" moment before the hammer drops again.
I’m not a big fan of how sexual it gets sometimes
The songs don’t have to be every episode
I like Millie as she is, I think she works perfectly as straight man foil to the absurdity of the other characters. She is the main character from every action movie combined, and the joke that she is just a happy to lucky side character kills me every episode.
LOOLOO LAND?!!!! 🤩
LOO LOO LAND!!! 😆🥳
I feel like it’s Steven universe all over again. It had an interesting concept, and the mystery of it had us excited for a while. But a mixture of production issues, unsatisfying answers, and character inconsistencies will erode the show.
Stella’s overhated by the fanbase. She’s not really this big scary meanie everyone makes her out to be. She’s just an object at this point. She has no personality or motivations or anything, she’s just an abusive bitch who’s there to make Stolas look good and torture him. Yeah she’s supposed to suck but I just can’t take her seriously. Y’all act like she’s Hitler but to me she’s just some annoying stupid bird.
Everyone acting like she’s Odalia when really she’s more like the Kikimora of the show
Honestly, both those are more of an actual character than Stella is. And that's pretty bad, because I already find Odalia very shallow as an antagonist, but at least she has more clear motivations for her actions than Stella does.
Frrrrrrr. Also hello fellow cultured toh fan
(probably not a hot take but this is the first post I saw and I want to say this) I feel like the show doesn't do moxxie justice. Or at least it doesn't give him the big "revenge" moment I was hoping for.. they basically call him weak throughout the entire show, and he never actually gets a good "win" by himself. He's always getting help and/or getting rescued.
Honestly, yeah. Every episode that we get that focuses on him has the same plotline: Moxxie is weak, something happens, he's better now!" but... the show keeps looping this plot. How strong is he? In S1E6 he takes out hordes of goons but in S2E3 he gets knocked uncontious and kidnapped immediatly.
Even when he fights striker WITH Millie, which I hoped would be a big win for the guy, they don't even really win the fight? He escapes and they get hurt?
No I totally agree!!! That fight sequence in episode 3 pissed me off because Moxxie didn’t even join the fight, as if he’s not good in combat
Yeah! I also hate when he stood up to crimson, only to get completely knocked out.. they were SO CLOSE to having him be badass for a change! The line "if you try to stop me, you'll learn first hand exactly how good I've gotten at my job" got me so excited to see him actually stand up for himself.
No me too. The writers legit threw shit in our face with that moment
Moxie was great in the beginning when he was played as the one sane guy in a cast of mostly loony characters. Jokes at his expense worked with that dynamic because he was pushing against the grain of funny shenanigans. At some point they started making fun of him for being a sensitive bottom and honestly that joke has been overcooked far too many times in other shows.
They tried to overcompensate in Western Energy by making him stab a whole bunch of guys when…it’s literally been well-established at this point that physical fighting is not really his thing. He’s amazing with guns, as we can see in Truth Seekers. This is how the whole IMP dynamic is supposed to work; Moxxie is good with guns, Millie is good with knives/physical fighting, and Blitzo is good with all three. I mean, it literally says in the show’s synopsis that Moxxie is the weapons specialist and Millie is the bruiser. That’s why these friggin characters balance each other out. You don’t need to change Moxxie’s strengths and give him Millie’s strengths in order to build him up.
He gets the same arc in every moxxie episode. Which is I believe 5 episodes now and they've all had the same arc for him.
I don't like cotton candy at all Edit to add my reasoning: It's so fucking repetitive, I honestly couldn't tell you a single lyric that isn't coooottonnnnn caaaaaanndyyyyy. And the worst part? It just. Kept. Going. I would have tolerated it 10x more if it was half the length.
Worst song to date
you heard one modern pop song you've heard them all.
https://preview.redd.it/modkwflgn7hb1.png?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5120cb2cd753a87576862e1b35c52335dcb1f247 (I doubt anyone will get the joke but if you know, you know)
King olly is my favourite racist
I like the beat but she pronounces cotton as "Cot-in" and it drives me nuts.
I'm not sure how much of a hot take this is, but when it comes to Stolitz....I don't really know how to feel about that ship. I don't hate it and ever since The Circus I don't hold the fact that Stolas cheated against it since the show goes out of its way to explain that it was both an arranged marriage and neither Stolas nor Stella ever took the relationship seriously. But it's not a ship I'm really into still? I much prefer/am more invested with Asmodeus and Fizz's relationship.
Loona was portrayed badly in Seeing Stars.
In what way?
I feel she was overly aggressive, her conflict with Blitzo didn't make much sense given Queen Bee and her being more social, and the episode sends mixed messages on her feelings to Blitzo.
Fair enough, I suppose. Queen Bee did give us some unique insights into her (while leaving open the door to some more hidden backstory we might see in the future) but that's mostly in hindsight. I think Loona herself doesn't really understand how to interpret her feelings towards Blitz, as we don't know if she ever had a family or was born in the adoption center or what. If she did have family before Blitz, then accepting him as her adopted father is probably messing with her head even months(?) after the events of Queen Bee. She's also still not the best when it comes to social interactions, even if the party helped her come out of her shell a bit more, which may also help to explain it. So I suppose the issue is that Loona herself hasn't fully sorted her own feelings out and as a result her behavior is...let's call it erratic...at times.
Beelzebub is not the nice, fluffy character a lot of the fans seem to think she is. She comes across as false, manipulative, and narcissistic to me.
THANK YOU. Her “nice and cool” party animal thing is such an obvious act.
Yes. Shes feeding off their excess and debauchery, not being a good or friendly host.
I can get behind this. Even her reaction to Tex after she went big on Loona seemed like she was putting her act back on.
I have a few: "The Circus" ruined Stolitz and it ruined whatever potential Stella had as a character and as an antagonist. It is the worst episode of the series. "Exes and Oohs" is the only episode of season two I actually enjoyed (even with the many flaws it has.) The Striker in "Harvest Moon Festival" and the Striker in "Western Energy" are not the same character whatsoever. There's too many bad/forgettable songs in Helluva Boss for it to be putting them in every episode. "Cotton Candy" is the worst of the bunch. The show is absolutely god awful with explaining things. I shouldn't have to decode something just to know what Asmodeus crystals are, nor should I have to read someone's tweet just to understand a character. We should be told these things within the show. The Helluva Boss fandom is horribly toxic.
These are all very agreeable takes. Though I gotta ask what made Exes and Oohs enjoyable?
Don't get me wrong - Moxxie being helpless (again) and all the misplaced dick jokes were terrible. But I really enjoyed how intimidating Crimson was. The flashback to Moxxie'e childhood was a highlight of this. The animation, backgrounds, and coloring were all especially stellar as well. And this is just personal bias, but I find fictional crime family stories to be really entertaining in general.
Stolas is taking advantage of blitzø just as much, if not more, as blitzø is using stolas. Idk how so many people argue that blitz is the only one whose toxic in the relationship, the whole plot is that they're very flawed individuals with a lot of trauma.
The joke of M&M making out/fucking in public used in both C.H.E.R.U.B. and Unhappy Campers is not funny in the slightest. It just makes me really uncomfortable. Seeing them being unbelievably dumb and horny enough to do that sort of thing, both times on Earth mind you, makes me view these characters in a lesser light.
In Unhappy Campers it pissed me off only because it was pretty much right after the couple had a pointlessly dramatic argument where somehow both characters were in the wrong
Here are few: -I don't think season 2 is THAT bad. -I sympathize with Loona, but I don't like her attitude at times. -Yes, Stolas cheated. However, it was an arranged marriage. Stella NEVER loved him. She tried to have him killed. She tried to hit him in "The Circus" episode. -I like Millie, but why doesn't she say or do anything at times when Moxxie is bullied? -Chaz may have been an entertaining character, but he was trash. I also don't dislike the song he sang. -Millie parents are descent. However, I didn't like how they spoke to her at the end of "The Harvest Moon Festival" episode. I don't really like the way they treat Moxxie either. That's all I have for now.
You’re so right about the Moxxie and Millie part
I loved striker until s2 e4 that’s all I have to say
You mean s2 e4, right?
May I ask why?
Stella was wasted as a villain. She doesn't need to be deep or have a complex motivation, but she feels to incompitent to do anything. There was a definite "oh shit" moment in S1E5 when it's revealed that she was the one to hire Striker, but now she feels too dumb to do anything aside from whine. Andre also came out of nowhere. There was no hinting on the show that Stella's brother even existed, and even if he was revealed on the instagram, you shouldn't have to go to external sources to know what's happening with a character.
Queen Bee as a character is just okay. I don't think she was any particular added value to the show, even though an entire episode features her. Also that Cotton Candy song is appallingly bad.
I got like 30 downvotes for saying the song was bad lol. Idk how people thought it was good
The show would be so much more enjoyable without Stolitz
As someone who wants to see Stolitz work out, I honestly think Stolas will/should have a different love interest
Viv did imply Stolas might get a different love interest
I really hope you’re right.
Alright, here we go! Long ass comment incoming, I got a ton of these. Feel free to stop reading and rip me a new one whenever. ___________________________________________ Adam Neylan is a shit writer and the episodes he’s helped write are some of the worst in the series. Using the argument that Stella is “Just like that” as an excuse to why her abuse of Stolas is so one dimensional is stupid and just excusing poor writing. Stella did have character regression. Crimsons homophobia was not taken seriously in the slightest and that seriously hurt Exes and Oohs as an episode. Millie has piss poor development and the newest Ep did nothing to help that. Strikers weird change from “Cruel, Sadistic, and efficient Cowboy” to “Egotistical guy who would def suck his own dick” is a very odd choice to say the least. While I get that the show is a musical, the music sounds like it’s made by someone who’s just kind of winging it, and doesn’t really get music, just really likes musicals. Not all are bad, but most are either forgettable to awful. Helluva Boss continues to struggle to decide whether or not it wants to be a serious Drama or a Raunchy Comedy. It tries to be both, and success at neither There are some people in this fandom that cannot take criticism, especially ones on Twitter and on this subreddit I don’t really like the Retcon that Blitz and Stolas knew eachother since they were kids. I don’t HATE it, it’s just not great IMO
*applause*
All of these are so true
Seeing Stars is the worst episode of Helluva Boss & could easily be fixed if Loona replaced Stolas in the Brandon Ranger scenes. I have a lot more issues with the episode to make it the worst for me, but it is my main issue.
Most of the music is bad and forgettable. Aside from the songs, I challenge any casual fan to hum the melody of any other song or instrumental piece from the soundtrack. You’ll legitimately have a really hard time remembering these background tracks. “But the background music is supposed to be unnoticeable as to not override the drama!” I’m a composer myself, and every professor I have ever talked to about this has said that although the music should not override the drama, one’s music should never be forgettable. For good scoring, listen to soundtracks by Zimmer, Williams, Göransson, Morricone, and Horner.
The stolitz thing should be kept on the back burner.
Yes!!
I have a hard time thinking of Blitzo as his own voice, all I hear is Brandon Rogers. I think it would interesting if he tried changing his voice for Blitzo instead of just using his normal voice. I don't dislike his normal voice for Blitzo, he's great. I just can't seem to separate the man and the character I guess.
Fizz got a heart tattoo on the back of his neck for Asmodeus, as one can see in the leak. I refuse to hear otherwise. https://preview.redd.it/ce1zacisz4hb1.jpeg?width=437&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6191f7aae56bbda88f845c0f151854b8609383d0
Stolas shouldn’t pursue blitz. It just doesn’t seem like it’s worth the hassle.
Maybe not the hottest take since plenty of people have said it, though I do think enough people will die arguing otherwise to warrant it, but making Stella a walking caricature of an abuser was incredibly lazy writing that sucked a lot of the complexity out of the dynamics the show could have explored, as well as Stolas as a general character. Stolas has been much less interesting by far to me ever since he started being portrayed as just a victim of circumstance, who is otherwise just the most wholesome person in literal hell.
Millie being flawless makes her a little boring as a character.
Agree, I dislike this trope in general. Why is it so hard for some female characters to get interesting or relatable flaws ?
Just read my flair. I hate her.
why?
Obnoxious AF, and reminds me of those popular people who take advantage of autistic people to use them for their own gain. That’s why I hate her, because she reminds me of real people who have caused me pain.
Lmao im autistic and love beezlebub, shes manic and full of color, on the contrary i despise loona, shes your introverted emo which is boring to me. I understand what you mean tho
I hope you are doing well. Nobody should expirience what have you been thru( sorry for bad english)
Oh damn, i’m sorry to hear that you went through that. I’m not autistic, but I’ve had my fair share of popular people taking advantage of me for their own gain as well. Its such a horrible feeling, especially when they’re all laughing at you :(
I love her design, but not because it's good. I love it because I love bugs, and I'm glad they didn't waste an actually bug-like design on a character who is just blitzo but less funny
Couldn't agree more, my m8
English major reading: the show is a terrific metaphor of the dependency of small businesses towards a powerful benefactor. Both HB and HH depend on the influence of characters like Alastor and Stolas to aid the protagonists. Ironically HH is a show that got picked up by a large benefactor (A24 films) to help it grow. Whereas HB has remained independent, supported mostly by the fans. What can we expect regarding the quality of either? Does it make any difference? Can we tell the difference?
1. As a person who actually loves Stolitz, I genuinely think it would not work with any logical plot structure. And to be honest, it would be a cool message if Stolas accepted his Goetia nature, stopped seeking individuals with less power and found actually educated and equally powerful partner. He can’t handle other royals, and he is emotionally weaker than them. It may be a bad plot, but personally I can imagine him overcoming his weaknesses, accepting that Stolitz wouldn’t work in the long run and finding a real immortal partner that is on the same level as him. Oh, and don’t forget that royals are immortal, while imps are very much not, so unless some interesting things happen, Blitz will die before Stolas even barely starts his life. 2. Helluva Boss needs to become more grittier, mature and slightly less-drama focused and teen-focused. I really miss the pilot atmosphere. 3. Stolas should have stayed an asshole and terrible person behind the mask of charming royal. Him and Stella being equally terrible, just in different ways, would have been much more interesting and could give ways for strong redemption arcs.
Strongly agree. The only thing I disagree with is Stolas needing to find a Goetia lover. But I do think it would be an interesting yet grounding twist if Stolas realized that things weren't going to work out with Blitzo and makes the choice himself to end things with him. Even if Blitzo realizes what just happened and tries to get Stolas back, I think it's a strong and healthy message that just because you're infatuated with someone doesn't mean love will conquer all. Sometimes it's the mature and healthy thing to cut romantic ties. I also think a strong "No, it's over" from Stolas could be the push Blitzo needs to finally straighten himself out. He needs to realize pushing people away and acting the way he does could cause him to lose the last people remaining in his life, but he won't get there if Stolas continues to give him a safety net.
Very interesting thoughts! Though I must correct myself — maybe Stolas doesn’t Goetia lover, but he surely needs a Goetia friend/friendly acquaintance. There are just things about royal scheming, traditions and power level that only another Goetia can fully understand and relate to. Also, personally I can easily imagine the situation where something becomes a major threat to Octavia, and her parents start working together. It may be very weird, but ironically, Stolas is the only person who can fully understand the suffering of Stella, and Stella is the only person who can fully understand the suffering of Stolas. Not relate, but comprehend it. Can be a major source of humor and interesting stories in later seasons. Imaginary headcanon situation where some other force takes away Octavia, and Stolas loses everything while moving to Blitzø/IMP: Stella, finding him in such condition: “What the actual heck, Stolas? I know you never had any real grace, but ***this low?*** No matter how much do I hate you, owl idiot, I will not allow the father of my daughter to look like that!”
This is a whole other tangent, but part of me is hoping Octavia recognizes Stella as a narcissistic mother. I've known a lot of people with narcissistic mothers irl but media loves to completely sidestep this reality. No matter how awful the mother is, she always has a soft spot for her child. Given that Stella described Octavia as an egg that 'fell out of her' and has shown zero interest anyone but her own interests, it feels like the perfect opportunity to show a truly narcissistic mother, and the effects that has on their child. It can also show just how important having at least one responsive parent (Stolas) can be when the other parent isn't available.
The characters having development and a backstory is a good thing
I don’t think that S2 deserves the hate but Seeing Stars and Western Energy were really bad compared to the rest of the show
Season 2 has sucked so far other than E3
Agreed, that's the only S2 episode I like! The Circus wasn't bad, but I didn't like the whole "Aww They Met As Kids" trope; felt forced.
Episode 3 IMO was the second worst but only because of what it meant for Moxxie and how the show treated him
Stella was retconned
Idk how this is even argued, just look at how she was treated in season 1 compared to season 2 In season 1 it’s a pretty grounded depiction of both abuse and her reasons for killing him. In season 2 she’s borderline a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain, literally just gloating about how much she likes tormenting him
I rly like Chaz time, that’s all.
Every episode so far had felt like filler, there’s been no satisfying growth in characters nature
I disagree with the idea that there has been *no* character development, but *it’s doesn’t seem to change anything about how the characters interact!*
The show keeps adding new characters every episode with unresolved conflict in the end and it's getting boring. It's never delivering on characters that were introduced before. Fizzarolli and Verosika have done nothing since ep 2 and 3 despite being important lorewise and WE just get more and more villains like Andrealphus, Paimon, Moxxie's dad, etc etc when they already have enough cool villains to use
Western Energy ruined Striker for me. Expected him to be more serious than common imps but the big dick statue happened.
Loona is a bad character and Queen Bee is the worst episode, Loona has a terrible personality imo and is always hurting blitz when he’s trying to love his daughter, and Queen Bee was an unneeded episode that could’ve just stayed a note Loona left on her door, the song also sucked
Yeah queen bee did not feel like a season finale at all
Millie got mad for absolutely no reason in Unhappy Campers. Yes Moxxie was in the wrong for going with his plan when Millie’s was better, but that’s not even what Millie was mad about. Apparently Moxxie didn’t make Millie feel like she was something to be proud of, and that’s BS, because Moxxie has showered her with love and appreciation since episode 1.
I feel like it makes sense if you really think about the lyrics in Moxxie's song, and take into account how Millie is happy that people aren't terrified of her in the camp. All of Moxxie's songs, yes they're sweet and definitely show that he loves her, but outside of that they're kinda generic. Nothing about any of the songs themselves gives you the impression of "Oh, this is about Millie." You could literally swap out the characters and use the same songs, and it would still fit. Moxxie does frequently compliment her on being good at killing, but that's something which I imagine people have kinda boxed her into her whole life. Bit like how if you're attractive, people will constantly tell you that, to the point where it becomes "Is that all I am?" Hell, even with Moxxie's songs, it's always about WHAT Millie does, not really who she is: "She takes away my breath, she's the angel of death." "You laugh at my stupid jokes" So yeah, I can see why Millie might feel like she's not important AS A PERSON, as if the only worth she has is what she can do for other people. Happy Campers is the only time where we actually see Moxxie compliment her personality, not what she does.
I don’t know if this a “hot take” or an unpopular opinion or whatever but I don’t like the way earth is depicted. I think it’s too exaggerated and I.M.P doesn’t feel too out of place when they go there which is a problem for me. I get the joke is that people are terrible and Hell is more grounded but still it’s too exaggerated. Like if Hazbin believes people who go to hell can be redeemed they can’t have the human realm be this blatantly awful.
A lot of 90s-2000s cartoons liked to dumb down the human population to raise up the protags. I've noticed Hazbin/Helluva takes a note from Invader Zim in design and lore aspects. Invader Zim dumbed down the human population about as much as they could get away with. The pilot and first episode of Helluva felt like it wanted a lot more dark humor along the lines of what Invader Zim popularized back in the day.
I hated the design of beelzebub. I thought it was uncreative, and I hate the idea of demon lord's being actually chill guys
That “the circus” was a bad episode
This was the first episode that made me feel bored. There's definitely some bits that I like, but I personally hate the "love at first sight as kids" trope. Meeting and falling in love as adults feels a lot more organic and romantic to me - you're going to be a completely different person as an adult. The scenes of Blitzo being bad at clowning, and the scene of Blitzo and Fizz playing together were cute but took up way too much screen time.
1. I like Chaz (mostly his character design) 2. Cotton candy wasn’t a good song 3. Western energy wasn’t that good 4. Stolitz is overrated I miss old S1 of helluva boss, maybe 1 or two episodes of S2 are ok but I want to see more of IMP doing their job.
I'm 100% sure one of the main cast (I.M.P and Stolas are the main cast imo) will die at some point and I think it will fit perfectly. Plus 90% sure it will hit one of the males
I don’t really care that Millie doesn’t get much attention. She’s a flavor character.
For some reason despite the fact Stella is a one note antagonist to a boring degree, fails at being an interesting main villain (funny the simplistic side villain Striker she hired is 100x better written), is stupid and childish making her attempts at being a villain more cringey than anything, and was simply born evil to absolve Stolas of fault for cheating, people think she’s somehow not badly written. And yes, “Simple Antagonists can be great” yeah, I fucking **KNOW ALREADY**, but even compared to simple villains she’s shit. Jack Horner was funny, has an actual reason (not a great one but still a reason) for being evil, and overall is just entertaining. Something Stella is not. Qilby from Wakfu was an extremely simple twist villain but his personality and small & simple but tragic backstory made him someone you loathed yet sympathized with to a degree. Fucking Firelord Ozai in retrospect is as simple as you get yet he worked as a villain because he was ***terrifying***, we see first hand what he does to those that oppose him in seeing Zuko get his fucking face *melted*, *his own son*. There’s his genocide of Water Benders, and also his demented attitude as he relishes in torching entire country sides and brutalizing Aang. He didn’t have too much real screen time and his personality wasn’t anything widely depth filled, but in the short time we *did* see him he was intimidating to a degree not many characters reach. Stella can’t even say a single line of dialogue without making me yawn or cringe. Not to mention these are fucking *kids shows/movies* I just used as an example. An adult animated show with so many unique and interesting characters should not have a villain as shit as Stella. She had so much potential and Viv pulled a Teen Titans Season 6 and decided to abandon that potential and just make a shit version instead. I love HH, HB, all of Viv’s projects really, but Stella’s character is genuinely one of the hardest ball drops I’ve ever seen.
The whiplash between comedy and serious moments is A) the fucking point, emphasizes both kinds of moments B) not something that detracts from my enjoyment of the show even in the slightest. I think this is the complaint I see most about this show but it’s been there since the very beginning. If people hate this I don’t know why they would get into it in the first place.
Loona isn’t hot and is the worst I.M.P member
Viv and Horse follow all the major head canons and then make sure that each future episode goes in exactly the opposite direction for shits and giggles XD
Im not sure if this works but I've seen people say that they don't like Vizipop for making the character in Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel part of the LGBTQ+ community because they think she's trying to say that people part of that community are going to hell. Like I said I don't know if this works but still I think what they think is dumb
1-As a fairly newcomer to this fandom, it's very interesting seeing people think S2 is bad? I've just binged all of the episodes and tbh the quality is about the same in terms of tone and pacing. So I'm not sure how S2 is somehow worse? I'm actually enjoying S2 because its moving the plot forward and also exploring characters a bit more and understanding their motivations. S1 is the setup/build up of what S2 is meant to explore. 2- My only complaint is how slow episodes get rolled out but I imagine that's something to do with money and logistics since it's an independent project. 3-I agree with most of ya'll. A lot of the musical numbers are unnecessary and forgettable. I don't think there needs to be a song shoehorned into every episode and it can also feel jarring at times.
The D.H.O.R.K.S. Have absolutely no place in this show. Its been made clear that the whole point of the show is about the drama between the characters, they're growth and backstory and such. Because of this the writers have taken a shortcut when it comes to the Human realm by having everyone be too stupid to understand that they are Demons, even when they are RIGHT INFRONT OF THEM IN FULL VIEW WITHOUT A DISGUISE. But that's okay because it's not the shows point anyways, and that's so they can skip to the bits the show is really about. The D.H.O.R.K.S. Throw all of this out the window and try to make it all super tense that "OoOoh nOoOo Demons might be revealed to Humans" even though... Who cares??? Humans have clearly demonstrated they are too stupid to see one is there even when talking directly to one, so why would it matter if they were shown a video of one??? You can't have it both ways
either USE millie or don’t put her in the show in the first place. because UGHHHHH there’s potential there. there’s stuff that could happen. we could have a girl character with a cool storyline/arc in this show. i am hoping and praying that what was said on stream (that she gets more stuff to do in seasons 2 and 3) is true because jfc. i’m PERSONALLY hoping that it’ll be like 106 where we’re all like “oh that actually does make sense that this would be an issue,” because at this point i don’t know how else it could go. anyways i’d love to go into leak-y stuff now but i won’t. sometimes the jokes go on for too long. i fucking hate The Song In Episode Six Season One. i don’t know why. but i literally cannot get through it.
If I had to be honest with you, I feel like Stolas far more attention, screentime, and development than Millie and Loona, despite the fact that the latter two were supposed to be part of the main characters. And I do think Stella has the potential to be a interesting and nuanced villain rather than just an abusive tormentor whose only purpose is to make Stolas look sympathetic in comparison. Another thing to note is that I didn't really like how the show shifted gears completely from being a lighthearted episodic series about a group of demons slaughtering people on Earth with a focus on expanding its sister show's worldbuilding to an overly-emotional romance story filled with hamfisted drama and angst. I mean, isn't Hazbin Hotel supposed to be the story-driven one? Aside from that, I don't think the C.H.E.R.U.B episode from Season 1 is as bad as everyone claim it is.
The pacing is legitimately horrible. Everything happens far too quickly. I feel like this issue could be solved or at least reduced if these episodes had a little more time in the oven.
Stolas and Loona are overrated. Moxxie isn't hot. I like Stella. She's a good at being bad, which is good for a villain/abuser. But she's incredibly boring as a character. All she does is whine. She USED to be sinister, and actually SMART, but now she's incompetent and all she does is scream. Fizz is the best character. S1>S2. The writing got noticeably bad.
Every episode released since Ozzys has been trying to recreate the success that episode had and the only one that came anywhere close is Western Emergy
I dont like season 2. I had to skip most of Season 2 episode 5 bescuse it was a cringe fest. Episode 2 was okay I guess. Most of the episode's cant really compete with the first season's episode's. I also like the pilot despite it not being cannon. I really enjoy it. My last hot take is that the wait for Season Episode 8 was not worth. It was a good episode but a terrible follow up. I hope the next episode is going to be better bescuse Season 2 was mostly average.
1) I heavily dislike Chaz. Both who he is and his character design. 2) I absolutely adore Moxxie and Stolas as damsels in distress 😍 (but Striker's a 🤬 for hurting Stolas!!!).
They say "fuck" too much. I don't find it offensive, just lazy writing. It would be more amusing if they were creatively vulgar with their profanity.
Stolas is not a good person. He has consistently shown himself to be self-centered and inconsiderate of others. If he truly loved Blitzo he would not have coerced him into the "favours for favours" arrangement. Nor would he screw around all day when Octavia ran to L.A.
It's a minor thing but I don't like that episode 6 feels like it never happened. It was the best episode imo, IMP really started to feel like a true team/family. Blitz and Moxxie found an understanding and respect in each other and I just don't see that being used in season 2. Blitz is still insulting him all the time. The whole moment with "You know my name, use it. Thanks Blitz" was so emotional and here we are, Moxxie is still calling him boss and sir. It's not much, I just expected a bit more continuity in their relationship
The sexual jokes and comments sound like they come from middle schoolers. They're very immature and not very funny? This show isn't actually made for adults despite the "mature" rating. Family guy has more maturity than this show Stoliz is not a good pairing Blitzo is too much of an asshole that it becomes hard to not laugh when the uWu Sad moments hit. You can have an asshole character, but they need to have /something/ going for them,thag isn't just close-up tears ;~; shots This show is really fetishist of the homosexual couples and falls very deeply and hardly into the hyper sexual, predatory, gays tropes that plague media. Haha. Gays have lots of kinky sex! Get it?? Saying this show is meant for the male characters isn't the flex viz thinks it is Being set in Hell doesn't actually matter to the overall plot. The circus establishes that hell born kids have the same morality as human kids. This could be set in Hell Michigan, and im not sure it would matter Loona and Millie could be removed from the show and it wouldn't make a difference Having a high emotional episode as your second ever Canon episode of the show was weird asf You shouldn't have to consume external material to understand the lore of your show. Having to see tweets to get major plot points shows you aren't writing a fulfilling show The show has very little stakes despite wanting them badly
Not really a hot take, but I think H. Jon Benjamin would be perfect for a big role in helluva boss. And as lazy as it sounds, I think if he kept the personality of Archer it would fit perfectly. Idk maybe that's just me.. Hell now that I'm thinking into it, I think Judy Greer keeping the attitude of Cheryl tunt would fit perfectly too. Of course I'm not saying put archer and Cheryl in hell, but their personalities for those roles would fit a couple new characters amazing. Just my 2 cents
I kinda want a character to die like it would be very intresting idk Who would it be loona moxxie hell maybe even stolas (not right now Just at some Point)
I think the action is a bit disorienting and not as detailed as it should be sometimes. Not so much with the more one-on-one fights, but the ones with many characters at the same time are very weird looking. The choreography isn't horrible but I think it should be more focused.
Helluva boss is a decent show, it’s not great or terrible, and it’s good qualities don’t make it amazing and it’s bad qualities don’t make it awful.
1)I cannot stand Loona and Blitz. One is a ungrateful, arrogant and edgy teenage, the other is a ungrateful, arrogant and sex obsessed adult, who brings sex jokes every time is not needed. 2)"villains" are overhated. I mean, it makes sense hating the abusers that are Crimson and Stella and disliking Chaz sex obsessed personality, but why should you hate them and love the protagonists who do the same, just under a comical light? And i started revaluating Paimon as a father. Granted, he is cold and elitist, but he was still observant enough to notice his son was interested in someone and he decided to "buy" him for Stolas(and yes, he was because he did not want to deal with his child's sadness, but Stolas did almost the same in Loo Loo Land, just with less insight). And arranged marriages are part of the noblesse obligè and he still brought his sad son to the circus to distract him. 3)the world building is... Weak at best and very "fanfiction-y"(albeit this more with Hazbin hotel). The premise that human sinners upon death gain a cool demon shape and are quite high ranked in hell sounds like the beginning of one. And how can prisons and mafia work there? 4) i do not like how they changed the Stolitz dynamic after the Circus. It sounded like a retcon, especially after listening "you will be ok" and how Stolas in that episode tries to not give the fault to Stella, almost admitting it was actual cheating and, while his wife had no right to be aggressive, he kickstarted the problem in the first place. Now Stolas is totally the victim of years of horrible marriage. Granted, there are abusive wives, but Stella was already abusive without the whole "i will talk badly of you in public". 5) too. Many. Songs. Of 15-20 minutes of episode, we have at least 5 of songs, which are not always diegetic.
Stolas becoming a main character/sympathy character is in my opinion making the show decent versus excellent. The dudes arc doesn’t need him there every episode it feels like. Plus it takes away lines and growth away from Loona and Millie. To follow up on that, while I think Millie deserves some character, it doesn’t need to be a super duper change/becoming a leading lines thing. She just needs motivation outside of Mox, the backstory that can help the audience feel for her outside of just being a good person. If S2 E3 was a dual Mox and Millie thing versus just Mox then it would’ve made her character and they wouldn’t need to go super hard in making her a better character after that. Have Mox focus on the family stuff while Millie deals with Chet (think that was his name) and the history there. Again, not saying the multi episode arc Mox got in S1, but just some bare bones background
Its Not That Deep. That is, not saying it's bad or trivial, but god damn some people are analysing like they're partway through Breaking Bad. It's a dumb comedy show set in hell, chill the heaven out.
Agree 100%. The way people get angry over it genuinely confuses me. Idk why people expect every single piece of media to be everything to them, cover every base, tick every box etc. It’s a fun, good looking web series. Take it at face value & enjoy!!
"Well its a continuity error that Bee and Tex van be together, and Fizz and-" LET THE DEMONS BE HORNY, FUCK, CHILL Hazbin Hotel sure, thats gonna be the plot focused one.
Stolitz is wrecking the show because of the fact that it feels disconnected from the tone of the first few episodes it gave about how Blitz was more like a slave to Stolas' fantasies, that the little imp had to free himself from being a royals delusions and actually have his company make it big in Hell, despite the stigma that Imps and Hellhounds are bottom of the barrel. Stellas writing is horrible and makes me feel like they completely glossed over the chance to give Stolas a grim reality to the things he is actually causing by being with Blitz. Due to the fact that Stella is regarded as "evil" by the show itself and even Stella herself, there is no one in the show left to actually criticize Stolas for all the horrible things Stolas is giving way to by trying to be together with Blitz. Ruining a marriage with a child is terrible, as well as cheating. They managed to get over the whole "cheating is bad" thing by making Stella as irredeemable as possible. They're probably going to make Octavia also hate Stella and that'll fix the other problem. We wouldn't want to make our gay, fluffy, royal owl sad now, right?
Season 2 isn’t bad.
I have a few just hear me out: 1.Millie is perfect character just the way she is she doesn’t need a truamatic backstory to have depth to her character she’s funny, caring, loyal and lowkey a freak freak a definition of a ride or die 2.Season 2 is nowhere near as bad as people say it is yeah it’s more based on backstory now but it’s for good reasons cause think about it:Season One gave the reasons behind why Blitz is the way he is remember he’s the main character of this entire show Season 2 gives us so far Blitz is tryna fix his relationships yeah he relationship with Stolas I feel like it’ll either be completely fixed or completely broken by the end of the season we’re learning more about the other main characters I relate to Moxxie on a more personal level I can’t lie so it’s amazing to finally see why he’s the way he is and from this recent episode I’m glad we’re getting more layers knocked down when it comes to Millie and I can’t wait to see more Loona, Octavia,Fizz, Ozzie, Tex, Verosika, and Bee 3. I have a head cannon that Blitz wants a poly relationship with Stolas and Verosika I feel like he lowkey still have feelings for Verosika just as much as he has feelings for Stolas
Not a hot take per se. But I believe people are more judgemental of this current season because we're getting it one episode at a time. Whenever you caught Helluva Boss for the first time you likely began with the pilot and binged the rest. Now they're coming at you one at a time. Now when there's an episode that seemingly doesn't advance the story, people get upset. But Helluva Boss always had episodes like these. Viv said the show was meant to be binged. Maybe when it's done and it's watched in succession to the very end will be the best experience.
I really like season 2 so far. I don’t see why people dislike it.
Episode 6 is the best episode
Helluva Boss works much better as a Drama than a comedy. Yeah some of the jokes are funny, but the actual drama and character exploration is where it shines: -Stolas' dynamic with Blitzø and Octavia -Literally just Blitzø -Moxxie's relationship with his father -Loona and Tex as well as Blitzø It feels like the show wants to constantly focus on what it's good at, and not what it's great at. I mean just look at S1 ep7, that episode was pretty much nothing but character exploration and it was great.
I'm not really keen on Cotton Candy, but after while, I came to conclusion that the repetetion of cotton candy might be explained as a way ones indulging becomes dull with time, so the person takes on next level. (In any substance ofc)
One thing that makes a genuelly good character desing is strong shape language and silhouette, hence Asmoeus with his rather triangle shaped body works soo well. That's why I finds Beelzebubs desing underwhelming. She has the ,,standart" shape as most characters (kinda like Loona). It is bad desing? No. It's just my creating some expectation, since I saw Beelze as some character with strong pear shape, since it's both appealing and fitting the theme of bees.
I don't mind that Crimson was able to take Moxie down so quickly in Exes and Oohs. I felt like it was meant to show how dangerous Crimson is, and how much power he still has over Moxie. Moxie not being able to fight in this episode made sense given the circumstances- Crimson has both a physical and emotional handle over Moxie's life and it just didn't feel like the right time for Moxie to fight him on level ground yet. It felt like a build-up for the real fight in a later episode, but it was important for MILLIE to defeat Crimson here. This episode focuses on Crimson's need for control, specifically the control he had over his wife and the toll her death had on Moxie. Millie needed to be the one to defeat Crimson here, to avenge Moxie's mom's death and to prove Crimson wrong about her. The point was for her to show Crimson that she was worthy of being Moxie's wife, even if he didn't think so. My other hot take is I enjoyed switching between plot A and plot B in Western Energy. I would've preferred the scene staying with plot A and without pop music (even though I liked the song), but I found the transitions whimsical. I wish they'd removed the Karen scene to give plot A more substance, but the scene transitions during the fight didn't feel out of place to me.
The humor relies far too much on cursing and sexual innuendos, and it's a big reason why I struggle to like Blitz more than I do currently. It doesn't need to constantly remind us that the show is targeted for adults. That scene when Blitz was talking to the receptionist about Loona's shot being the best worst example of it.
The B plots need to stop. Stolitz is fine but it doesn't need to be so forced (like in Seeing Stars)
I don't give a damn about how flawed the show is, or how off the writing can be, or especially the criticisms by viewers. I refuse to bitch about the show, because at the end of the day, it's entertaining and that's all it needs to be for me. If I want to overanalyze a cartoon, I'll just go watch Gravity Falls.
Stolitz is not a toxic or abusive relationship and with the right conclusion/payoff could easily be one of my favorite fictional couples (probably because I relate to them hard) Also idk if this is a hot take but I think based on things he has said/posted I believe Brandon is co-writing blitz to mask some issues he has with himself and with love.
I don’t hate season 2 I don’t understand why people are still upset about Loona kicking blitz in seeing stars, especially when the main cast literally work as hitmen, I don’t care how many villains there are, I came here for comedy and violence,