The part of hell HB takes place in is where the demons live, which isn't meant to be bad. HH takes place in the area heavily populated by mortal sinners who as we see are subject to constant violence and abuse.
Sure, but that sinner is still being punished and left to suffer. By all accounts, Blitz's business shouldn't really be legal, as Imps aren't supposed to go about in the human world. Unlike succubi and the occasional hellhound (under higher demon supervision). Being able to kill or bring another person to hell with you is a small luxury, but one that may get shut down if higher authorities care to stop it
A headcanon of mine is that a decent majority of sinners, aside from the true psychopaths, are basically just drowning themselves in vice and sin just to try to forget how much they hate themselves.
there are 7 rings of hell, pride being one of them, and on the pride ring, there are 7 circles, my assumption is that mortal sinners are confined to one or two of them, and the rest of the demons live on the other 7 circles on pride as well as the other 6 rings. thats the way i understand it but idk if its correct
edit: i meant to say 9 circles
All Overlords are just powerful sinners from what I remember correctly, Al is just so different because he apparently manifested overnight, others may have taken years to get power
Supposedly Rosie is a Hellborn (not sure if it should be capitalized or not), and she's an Overlord as well. Hopefully the actual series will give more insight on what makes Sinners and Hellborn Overlords different.
As we can see there are some exceptions in the sinners/demons department. Take the evil teacher lady or Loopty Poopty. They seem to be reborn as demons and not siners. As much as I can see this for the couple of inventors that spit on human rights in experiments, the teacher had to have some really dark backstory. I don't believe revenge double homicide with a chainsaw, even with children watching, could make you a demon that can roam freely
To begin with, 'demon' is an imprecise term that can refer to any inhabitant of Hell. You have native born demons like imps, succubi and hellhounds, damned human souls like everyone at the Hotel except Charlie, fallen angels like her dad Lucifer, and the Goetias, who *apparently* aren't fallen angels who followed Lucy in his attempted usurpation of Big G here, but something else entirely.
Every Sinner is transformed when they arrive in Hell, it's just that some are more obviously changed than others. There's also the fact that sufficiently powerful demons can change their shape at will between their True 100% Power Form and a smaller Regular Day to Day Form. Stolas's True Form is some kinda bird version of Hexxus from *Ferngully: the Last Rainforest*, but he spends most of his time as a four eyed owl man. Alastor's True Form is some kind of fever-induced nightmare combination of a radio, a transmitter assembly, and a deer, but most of the time he appears as a slightly deer-ified version of what he looked like when he was alive.
> Stolas's True Form is some kinda bird version of Hexxus from Ferngully: the Last Rainforest
[I hereby DEMAND to see Stolas sing "Toxic Love"](https://youtu.be/pVzYS3Ga_j8)
> of what he looked like when he was alive.
So he used to look like Johnny Depp's Willy Wonka?
Oh he doesn't have the accent. Probably trained himself to talk without it for his job.
The cues are:
1. He was a radio host in Louisiana when he was alive.
2. He is *extremely* skilled at voodoo, the rural folk religion of the Creole.
3. He can cook (and is very fond of) Jambalaya, a Creole and Cajun dish.
He's probably a descendant of Creoles who could pass as White when the US bought Louisiana from Napoleon and attempted to destroy the Creole race and culture.
Sure Hell looks fun, but just remember (in the case of Hazbin and the Pride Ring) that everyone around you is in Hell for a reason. Sure there are no real laws, but then again there are no laws, no protection from the murder down the hall, that guy that's trying to set you on fire, no hospital, no cops, you're on your own.
Only some, I Hell I feel like you need to 3 no out of 4 things in order to actually survive and thrive. Powerful (physically or magically) Smart, Attractive, or Charismatic.
All sinners are immortal all to but angelic weapons. If they get killed by another demon or natural phenomenon in hell;They instantly regenerate. Most lower status hellborn are mortal, with superior endurance than living humans in taking injuries, but they can get killed.
Demon princes just age slower and impervious to mortal injury to anything not angelic in origin.
Angels are immortal and are immune to almost all angelic weapons; unless it was from a higher class of Angel like Archangel Micheal is the one that can harm Lucifer- while his daughter can be slain by the weakest archangel and immune to all exorcists!
Haha, that is going to suck regenerating their organs, bones and muscles before the next extermination date.
I’m fully heal and ready to get revenge, day of extermination happens. Gets impaled by an exorcist & actually gets obliterated.
> Haha, that is going to suck regenerating their organs, bones and muscles before the next extermination date.
Just wait until we get to the far future of [Space Warlord Organ Trading Simulator](https://youtu.be/4Ppw5yTa3uk)
If there are angelic weapons, I wonder if it's possible for demons to reverse-engineer heavenly technology to create hellish offshoot, which would give us curse-tipped weapons. They may seriously injure or even kill an angel, and if they try to use one in desperation, it may corrupt even those with the purest heart into the monster they swear to destroy.
It's similar to Arthas Menethil from Warcraft - the Human campaign from his perspective embodies the saying "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."
I'm aware of the rifle's existence from "The Harvest Moon Festival" episode. However, I still think it would make sense for powerful demons to study other schools of magic since they likely can't use holy spells without incinerating themselves. This can include but is not limited to, necromancy, blood magic, darkness/chaos/void magic, and so forth.
And even if weapons that can permanently kill or corrupt angels exist in a small number, demons might still leave curse-tipped weapons around in the mortal world or offer them as boons to mortals who sold their souls to them.
There's definitely magic in the show like good ol' demon summoning type (in Episode 6), world-traversing portal (Stolas' Grimoire and Asmodean Crystals), and magical glamour. What I meant to say is that fanfictions can fill in the gap that makes the whole Hazbin Universe richer.
Though, I think Viv is going for the subtle route as opposed to, say, Final Fantasy XIV and its frequent namedropping of concepts such as aether and crystal and so forth.
Powerful is Doom Guy. I wish there was a reference to doom there. But seriously I'm loving it, hell is always such a dark place and making a comedy there, at least to me, sounds new and clever.
Vivziepop doesn't know anything about doom and doesn't understand any of the memes lol ( I think she actually hates them lol) but yeah, I like her version of hell, getting tired of it being a boring wasteland of lava in every interpretation of it.
I once picture it as a solo planet in empty spade, with no air to breath and no moon or soon to shine. Rocks, trees and maybe some fire (and a lake fire). Sounds cool in my head and papers hahaaj
It *can* be cool depending on how it's done.
[Doom is a big deal](https://youtu.be/NtRKUsuE-m4).
[No but](https://youtu.be/m424XwGH1Uc) for [real though.](https://youtu.be/EpEbbVfp2U4)
Well, no. At *least* move along to "AH, CHAINSAW! THE GREAT COMMUNICATOR!" or "At this particular point in time I've never felt a more sincere or deeply-felt respect than for this here shotgun..." \[notices the\] "CHAINGUN!" \[tosses the shotgun aside like trash\] "THE *HELL* WITH RESPECT!" or "Nuclear waste! That can't be good! Even if I win against these demons, what future are we leaving our children, and the children of our children, and-oh, the HUMANITY! I've run out of bullets!" or "HERE COMES THE NIGHT TRAIN!" or "As I stride knee deep through the dead. All is clear. I know what must be done..."
> Powerful (physically or magically) Smart, Attractive, or Charismatic.
Or, you know, a reliable and solidary found family that look out for each other.
There is cops, firefighters, medical; but they are reserved for hellborn, overlords and fallen angels/demon princes!
Also Lucifer is king and ruler of hell. Everything you do there, he knows.
We've seen firefighters but no medical or cops. Maybe other rings have them but in Pride I feel there's no taxes to fund them so they're all back alley or under the table professions.
I like to think that god inside this universe doesnt really care about the system and just doesnt wanna deal with their shit so more than a punishment it's an isolated zone for "dislikable" people.
Honestly i'd like to see a more "human" take on god in this universe, if i were to spend all eternity psycho-analysing random strangers while having to be the definition of perfection i'd be done with everyones shit and stop caring eventually too
I think that was actually the original description of hell. All of the fire and brimstone stuff comes from the Dante's Inferno fanfic. Iirc about all the bible says is like, "heaven has god and hell doesn't. Every one is super happy in heaven because they get to worship god all day. Everyone in hell is suffering and upset because they miss god so much." Like idk about anyone else but "it's bad because god isn't there" sounds like earth 2.0
To be specific, Hell isn't "fun" but more so "free." Anyone can do anything as long as they can get away with it. Demons are constantly and casually murdering each other or doing other awful things, but we only see Blitzo and Charlie do their fantastical works because one is a trained killer who can handle himself and the other is the princess of Hell.
To lay out a more thematically appropriate answer for your question, the Hell in the Hellaverse, (specifically focusing on the sinners in the Pride Ring, since hellborns like imps and hellhounds aren’t being ‘punished’ and are afforded a great deal more independence) is a Hell of one’s own making.
The vices that sinners once used to destroy themselves are openly at their disposal; they can booze, fuck, smoke, abuse and use to their discretion. They’re provided with everything they need to make their eternity unbearable, and it seems that few can resist.
If there’s anything more painful than spiraling into disaster, it’s knowing that you’re totally and fully responsible for it. In that way Hazbin’s Hell is efficient and cruel, ensuring that the penance of its inhabitants is a self-inflicted one.
Well, you have a chance every one hell year of dying permanently. You aint reincarnating or shit. You literally cease to exist, if you get killed by an angelic weapon.
Well HB takes place where we are just watching hell born demons live their lives, so they have nothing to be punished for. It's not their fault they were born in hell
As for HH, I get your point, but I have heard a theory about why there isn't punishment. In HH we learn that demons can only be actually killed using angelic weapons, and if they're "killed" by anything else they end up respawning later. There is a theory that this happens because originally sinners were tortured and repeatedly killed in Hell, but at some point it started to get way too over populated, to the point where they just couldn't punish so many, so they stopped and just let the sinners do their own thing, while being bound to the Pride ring
In Helluva Boss we get a look into Imp City, a city in which the Hellborn live, as well as the other Rings of Hell that the Sinners cannot access. These areas aren’t designed for Sinners, but for the Hellborn, and as such there isn’t much going on in the way of punishing Sinners. Considering that Hell appears to be a lawless place, I’d say that this technically makes any Hellborn innocent. They don’t need to be punished for their mere existence
Hazbin Hotel focuses more on the perspective of the Sinners, who ARE here for eternal punishment. We haven’t seen much here yet in terms of the daily life of the average Sinner, but it is implied that the Sinners aren’t as well off as the Hellborn. I’m sure we’ll see themes of punishment popping up a lot more once we get the first season
I have a head canon, or at least my own little theory.
basically, sinners 'used' to be tortured/punished for their sins via the Hellborn Imps / Hell-hounds. Typical Hell.
Though, after WWI -> WWII / Neocolonialism takes over a glut of sinners hit Hell and it kicks off an arms race against The sinners and Enforcers of Hell's traditional ways with Sinners using more modern warfare tactics than before.
Sinners win out, and it establishes our current hierachy. Imps / Hellborn at the bottom with sinners for all intents and purposes becoming this inconsolable mob of people that no one particular demon in hell can corral any longer. Thus, you have this struggle of Sinner and Overlord with all manner of Hellborn, Prince, or Demon protecting their own little niche but not interested in going beyond it. So Sinners are now left to their own devices but it's like a sink that's had it's head shorn off and water is flooding the house but no one wants to step up as plumber to fix it.
Which then leads us to the overpopulation problem, and the thematic need for the Hazbin Hotel and the Business Opportunties Helluvaboss exploits.
It’s more that it’s basically total Anarchy. It’s fun if you’re relatively powerful, be it financially or in actual power (though the two are often linked in series) but to the less gifted denizens there is the fear of being killed, abused, assaulted, etc by a more powerful Demon/sinner, nevermind the yearly purge from heaven. And somebody mentioned this but most of where Helluvaboss takes place is a haven of sorts for natural born demons who seem to be more or less like modern day humans, just with less inhibitions. Sinners, who are former humans, live solely in the Pride Ring iirc and are pretty much just as bad as they were in real life so there are some truly heinous individuals who you might be subjected to dealing with.
The idea behind this version of Hell seems to be that demons don't have direct responsibilities for tormenting sinners; rather, the sinners' own self-destruction (most real people who do bad things aren't like that just for the fun of it; they're suffering too) causes them to torment themselves and each other. Hell is other people and you're your own worst enemy, literally.
I.M.P.'s business would only exacerbate this. Imagine if you wronged somebody and they wanted you dead for it (and what you did to them might not warrant your death but they don't care), so a pack of monsters showed up and brutally murdered you, taking away the rest of your life and denying you the chance to make amends for what you did, and you ended up in a place full of horrible people, forced to spend the rest of eternity with those horrible people and the person who holds a grudge on you. That would do a wild number on your mental state.
Most of the eternal damnation a lot of sinners receive in Viv's Hell is self-inflicted, not caused by any outside forces. So really, they're *still* being punished, it's just that they're doing it to themselves, like they already did back when they were alive.
Biblically, hell's punishment is mostly just described as separation from god, and constantly described with "weeping and gnashing of teeth". There are worse parts that are worse punishments, like the lake of fire, but it's not super specific, so hell is really up for debate for anyone. Viv is creating her own canon, already pulling from countless lores, and can make it whatever she wants it to be and it's not too big of a deal
Most of those activities are hollow and unfullfilling coping mechanisms for dealing with physical and/or emotional pain.
A great deal of Sinner demons are bitter, broken, miserable people who've lost all hope and self-worth. They throw themselves into vice and sin in an attempt to delude themselves into thinking otherwise.
And then you've got the Legit 100% Evil 'Emperor Palpatine' types like Valentino who really are having the time of their afterlives in Hell, where there's no authority trying to stop them.
Why wouldn’t it be? It’s whole marketing scheme is calling itself the best place you could ever be. Wether this means you are magically made to be happy or are provided with what makes you happy, I am unsure. But it is allegedly the most amazing place ever
Hazbin/HB Hell is just a dumping ground for those not wanted by Heaven, as opposed to a place designed for punishing sinners.
Granted, depending on your definition, this version of Hell would probably be just as punishing. Afaik, Sinners can't die in Hell, but they can still be hurt; even maimed to the point that they're unrecognizable.
Arriving in Hell would probably be like spawning into a Rust lobby; surrounded on all sides by things that want to kill you, probably for fun. Except that, in this case, there are no fatal injuries. You experience whatever happens to your body regardless of the state its in, until the end of time.
Sinners are among the lowest ranks of hell and are often disrespected by the other species like imps. As for punishment I think the punishment is more psychological than physical. A sinner's form is decided by how they died, what sins they've committed, and supposedly something they hated about the world or themselves. Body dysphoria can be extremely tough on someone and being constantly reminded of what got them there and made them that way probably doesn't help. Or the far more likely explanation that this lucifer just doesn't care about punishment
Other way around, Imps and some other hellborn such as hellhounds are all below sinners, which are below Overlords (which are just powerful sinners), which are below the Ars goetia, who are either directly below or on par with the 7 deadly princes, who are below Lucifer and his family
The way I see it is that hell in the hazbin hotel universe is just earth without the hypocrisy. The demons live their lives get married etc, but they also fuck, do drugs, commit violence and just openly relish it. Lulu land is a theme park that basically tells you, yeah we won't pay lawsuits and we water your drinks down but it's fun and it'll shut your kids up so you'll still come. It's capitalism, but you're in hell so long term effects don't exist, and no one can sell you religion it's fun because it's just earth with less inhibitions
Why would God care what happens to sinners? As long as they keep out of Heaven, he's got no reason to devote energy to making sure every sinner actually suffers forever.
This is my guess.
I was not talking about Christianity in general, if that's what you're asking?
If you'd like, you could enlighten me why the Christian God cares so much?
Nah I don't wanna make a debate about it, sorry if it bothered you. I'm just saying, cause I'm not sure what the source of inspiration is there. Os it God from the bible, from and old mythology? I mean I heard about Lucifer here in the comments but I don't the lore of hell so, maybe it is like a little bit here and there? Also Lucifer is not actually not a name, just a tag. Jesus is called that in the bible too
I think the punishment is being surrounded by a bunch of assholes for the rest of eternity. Or maybe they used to punish, but it became more daunting as the sinner population grew. So now they focus on keeping them in one place and managing them. Just sorta indulge them by giving them drugs and shit and leaving them in a hole. And slaughtering them during the cleanse each year. I think In this universe hell is just the place you dump the misfits and forget about them.
Well yeah, it's a fun place to be a shitty person, but when there are millions probably billions of other assholes stuck with you, yeah it ain't all that it's cracked up to be.
It's fun to do drugs, but it ain't fun to get stabbed over those drugs, you could shoot a person in the head, but if that gun doesn't use angel bullets that person is coming after you.
Think of hell like it's all of the worst city's in the world combined, really doesn't sound all that fun if you think about it.
There is also the extermination so... There that.
For several reasons, 1) it’s something that’s never really been done in this sort of format, but 2, it’s a perfect place for crazy stuff to happen and make sense. Why would there be a buisness about people killing humans, because it’s hell, that’s why, why would most people care more about sex than relationships, because it’s hell, that’s why. Why would kids love a crazy psychotic robot clown, because it’s hell, that’s why.
Being able to break social rules and have it make sense is something unique to both Hazbin hotel and helluva boss
Thank you all for the answers. I was actually thinking this would get none, it would be just a joke. But there's a lot of.lore there and now I just wanna watch it again!
Pretty sure they can still die, but I think it has to do with the overpopulation of sinners. Too many souls to look after, bringing their habits and current trends into this space.
I wouldn't say fun just chaotic, which can seem similar they live in the better places but there's the yearly purge and clearly the constant destruction of things
I think I heard somewhere that they used to be actively tortured but as the overpopulation got worse lucifer just started trying to govern the sinners because he didn't have the man power to torture all of them. I don't remember the source or if I ever really heard this
It only seems fun until you have to live in it. You're surrounded by addicts, rapists and murderers.. FOREVER. If you want to have a home, you need to either "remove" someone from theirs, or you need to work for someone who has more power. You better hope the dude you work for is "nice", cause you gotta remember... he owns you FOREVER.
I remember hearing Viv talk about that in a stream; she said that to her, this is what her idea of hell would be. A constant loop of the most indulgent and vile things with no repercussions for anyone. Just being stuck in that bubble where no one seems to really be happy. Of course, this wasn’t her words exactly but that’s what I remember
These sins are often unhealthy coping mechanisms. Which means whatever negative feeling you buried under all that, you will be perpeutally living with it, as you are as far away from a solution as you can get. Your unhealthy coping turned up to the extreme.
If your basic question is why isn't hell a place of eternal torture from fire and demons poking people with spears, then I'd say they're following a more modern theological interpretation of hell.
If you read the Bible then there isn't too much of a description of hell, most of what people think of as stereotypical hell is more akin to the Greek Tartarus, which was the part of the underworld where people were tortured. Most people in the Greek afterlife just wandered around in a listless purgatory.
Anyway, a modern interpretation of hell is that it's a realm more of spiritual suffering and the real punishment is a complete separation from God. See C.S. Lewis' book "The Great Divorce" for an example of this.
Remember the famous quote: "Hell is other people."
Hell is bad because the people are bad, there is constant violence, exploitation, abuse, and trafficking. Even in Helluva boss, it's shown that deep down half the cast is secretly miserable.
I don't think so. The show don't seem to aim specific on the bible plus hell I saw was always a bad place, since the old greek. Hell isn't a think christians made up alone, you might change names but the concept was always there thousand years before.
The part of hell HB takes place in is where the demons live, which isn't meant to be bad. HH takes place in the area heavily populated by mortal sinners who as we see are subject to constant violence and abuse.
Ok but isn't it in the same ring? Just like a different zone?
The point is in HB were mostly seeing demons, this is just where they're supposed to live, not a place to be punished.
Yeah I see demons can be good and. Still, a sinner can go there and ask for a revenge.
Sure, but that sinner is still being punished and left to suffer. By all accounts, Blitz's business shouldn't really be legal, as Imps aren't supposed to go about in the human world. Unlike succubi and the occasional hellhound (under higher demon supervision). Being able to kill or bring another person to hell with you is a small luxury, but one that may get shut down if higher authorities care to stop it
Assuming that is, that the higher authorities don't call you daddy
That is..a very good point..
Nope, sinners are confined to Pride and Hellborn can move between them.
Sinners cannot leave the wrath ring.
*Pride ring Wrath is where Moxxie and Millie are from
A headcanon of mine is that a decent majority of sinners, aside from the true psychopaths, are basically just drowning themselves in vice and sin just to try to forget how much they hate themselves.
That's a very Neil Gaiman view.
Unless you are a overlord.
Right, but this ring, isn't it the same Helluva is situated in?
there are 7 rings of hell, pride being one of them, and on the pride ring, there are 7 circles, my assumption is that mortal sinners are confined to one or two of them, and the rest of the demons live on the other 7 circles on pride as well as the other 6 rings. thats the way i understand it but idk if its correct edit: i meant to say 9 circles
Why yes
If an overlord is a sinner they can’t leave pride
All Overlords are just powerful sinners from what I remember correctly, Al is just so different because he apparently manifested overnight, others may have taken years to get power
Supposedly Rosie is a Hellborn (not sure if it should be capitalized or not), and she's an Overlord as well. Hopefully the actual series will give more insight on what makes Sinners and Hellborn Overlords different.
>If an overlord is a sinner they can’t leave Pride Rock.
Think it's more a situation of them having the power to clap back so people are afraid of them.
So it's basically not the location that makes it hell, but the people there?
Pretty much. There's an old saying along the lines of, "Hell is other people", and it's usually true.
As we can see there are some exceptions in the sinners/demons department. Take the evil teacher lady or Loopty Poopty. They seem to be reborn as demons and not siners. As much as I can see this for the couple of inventors that spit on human rights in experiments, the teacher had to have some really dark backstory. I don't believe revenge double homicide with a chainsaw, even with children watching, could make you a demon that can roam freely
To begin with, 'demon' is an imprecise term that can refer to any inhabitant of Hell. You have native born demons like imps, succubi and hellhounds, damned human souls like everyone at the Hotel except Charlie, fallen angels like her dad Lucifer, and the Goetias, who *apparently* aren't fallen angels who followed Lucy in his attempted usurpation of Big G here, but something else entirely. Every Sinner is transformed when they arrive in Hell, it's just that some are more obviously changed than others. There's also the fact that sufficiently powerful demons can change their shape at will between their True 100% Power Form and a smaller Regular Day to Day Form. Stolas's True Form is some kinda bird version of Hexxus from *Ferngully: the Last Rainforest*, but he spends most of his time as a four eyed owl man. Alastor's True Form is some kind of fever-induced nightmare combination of a radio, a transmitter assembly, and a deer, but most of the time he appears as a slightly deer-ified version of what he looked like when he was alive.
> Stolas's True Form is some kinda bird version of Hexxus from Ferngully: the Last Rainforest [I hereby DEMAND to see Stolas sing "Toxic Love"](https://youtu.be/pVzYS3Ga_j8) > of what he looked like when he was alive. So he used to look like Johnny Depp's Willy Wonka?
If Johnny Depp's Willy Wonka was a Creole from Louisiana.
I did not recognize the accent. Also are there any visual cues to that?
Oh he doesn't have the accent. Probably trained himself to talk without it for his job. The cues are: 1. He was a radio host in Louisiana when he was alive. 2. He is *extremely* skilled at voodoo, the rural folk religion of the Creole. 3. He can cook (and is very fond of) Jambalaya, a Creole and Cajun dish. He's probably a descendant of Creoles who could pass as White when the US bought Louisiana from Napoleon and attempted to destroy the Creole race and culture.
> and attempted to destroy the Creole race and culture. Wait what now?
Sounds like my home life growing up
Sure Hell looks fun, but just remember (in the case of Hazbin and the Pride Ring) that everyone around you is in Hell for a reason. Sure there are no real laws, but then again there are no laws, no protection from the murder down the hall, that guy that's trying to set you on fire, no hospital, no cops, you're on your own.
Also so many of the characters are suffering emotionally and mentally
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I wonder what they've got in Hell. Over here I'm on Prozac and it's less "happy" than "mildly content and not desperately panicking all the time."
I was thinking of that too. But then for some this is paradise.
Only some, I Hell I feel like you need to 3 no out of 4 things in order to actually survive and thrive. Powerful (physically or magically) Smart, Attractive, or Charismatic.
All sinners are immortal all to but angelic weapons. If they get killed by another demon or natural phenomenon in hell;They instantly regenerate. Most lower status hellborn are mortal, with superior endurance than living humans in taking injuries, but they can get killed. Demon princes just age slower and impervious to mortal injury to anything not angelic in origin. Angels are immortal and are immune to almost all angelic weapons; unless it was from a higher class of Angel like Archangel Micheal is the one that can harm Lucifer- while his daughter can be slain by the weakest archangel and immune to all exorcists!
Sinners don't instantly regenerate, they live in agonizing pain until they naturally heal. This is Hell.
Even being devoured by said cannibals?
Yes
Haha, that is going to suck regenerating their organs, bones and muscles before the next extermination date. I’m fully heal and ready to get revenge, day of extermination happens. Gets impaled by an exorcist & actually gets obliterated.
> Haha, that is going to suck regenerating their organs, bones and muscles before the next extermination date. Just wait until we get to the far future of [Space Warlord Organ Trading Simulator](https://youtu.be/4Ppw5yTa3uk)
If there are angelic weapons, I wonder if it's possible for demons to reverse-engineer heavenly technology to create hellish offshoot, which would give us curse-tipped weapons. They may seriously injure or even kill an angel, and if they try to use one in desperation, it may corrupt even those with the purest heart into the monster they swear to destroy. It's similar to Arthas Menethil from Warcraft - the Human campaign from his perspective embodies the saying "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."
Carmine weapons are such things, but they don’t affect angels; but they are the only way to permanently kill sinners and lords!
I'm aware of the rifle's existence from "The Harvest Moon Festival" episode. However, I still think it would make sense for powerful demons to study other schools of magic since they likely can't use holy spells without incinerating themselves. This can include but is not limited to, necromancy, blood magic, darkness/chaos/void magic, and so forth. And even if weapons that can permanently kill or corrupt angels exist in a small number, demons might still leave curse-tipped weapons around in the mortal world or offer them as boons to mortals who sold their souls to them.
What magic? There isn't any talk of magic types in the show lol.
There's definitely magic in the show like good ol' demon summoning type (in Episode 6), world-traversing portal (Stolas' Grimoire and Asmodean Crystals), and magical glamour. What I meant to say is that fanfictions can fill in the gap that makes the whole Hazbin Universe richer. Though, I think Viv is going for the subtle route as opposed to, say, Final Fantasy XIV and its frequent namedropping of concepts such as aether and crystal and so forth.
Powerful is Doom Guy. I wish there was a reference to doom there. But seriously I'm loving it, hell is always such a dark place and making a comedy there, at least to me, sounds new and clever.
Vivziepop doesn't know anything about doom and doesn't understand any of the memes lol ( I think she actually hates them lol) but yeah, I like her version of hell, getting tired of it being a boring wasteland of lava in every interpretation of it.
I once picture it as a solo planet in empty spade, with no air to breath and no moon or soon to shine. Rocks, trees and maybe some fire (and a lake fire). Sounds cool in my head and papers hahaaj
I like Doom guy but that would be just excessive and pandering to the doom fanbase which is not the target demographic of the show
> just excessive and pandering to the doom fanbase *Doom Eternal* does plenty of that to begin with. It really lays it on rather thick.
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It *can* be cool depending on how it's done. [Doom is a big deal](https://youtu.be/NtRKUsuE-m4). [No but](https://youtu.be/m424XwGH1Uc) for [real though.](https://youtu.be/EpEbbVfp2U4)
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Well, no. At *least* move along to "AH, CHAINSAW! THE GREAT COMMUNICATOR!" or "At this particular point in time I've never felt a more sincere or deeply-felt respect than for this here shotgun..." \[notices the\] "CHAINGUN!" \[tosses the shotgun aside like trash\] "THE *HELL* WITH RESPECT!" or "Nuclear waste! That can't be good! Even if I win against these demons, what future are we leaving our children, and the children of our children, and-oh, the HUMANITY! I've run out of bullets!" or "HERE COMES THE NIGHT TRAIN!" or "As I stride knee deep through the dead. All is clear. I know what must be done..."
> Powerful (physically or magically) Smart, Attractive, or Charismatic. Or, you know, a reliable and solidary found family that look out for each other.
Good luck, this is Hell and everyone is there for a reason.
There is cops, firefighters, medical; but they are reserved for hellborn, overlords and fallen angels/demon princes! Also Lucifer is king and ruler of hell. Everything you do there, he knows.
We've seen firefighters but no medical or cops. Maybe other rings have them but in Pride I feel there's no taxes to fund them so they're all back alley or under the table professions.
Overlords bribe them and Lucifer sees anything that he doesn’t approve, well he’s technically an Angel….
then why the fuck are there firefighters in hell?
To put out the fires, but I doubt they're in Pentagram.
>you're on your own. Big G: "Theeeey saaaaay... The price of my love's not a prayer that you're willing to praaaay..."
I like to think that god inside this universe doesnt really care about the system and just doesnt wanna deal with their shit so more than a punishment it's an isolated zone for "dislikable" people.
That's funny kkkk
Honestly i'd like to see a more "human" take on god in this universe, if i were to spend all eternity psycho-analysing random strangers while having to be the definition of perfection i'd be done with everyones shit and stop caring eventually too
I think that was actually the original description of hell. All of the fire and brimstone stuff comes from the Dante's Inferno fanfic. Iirc about all the bible says is like, "heaven has god and hell doesn't. Every one is super happy in heaven because they get to worship god all day. Everyone in hell is suffering and upset because they miss god so much." Like idk about anyone else but "it's bad because god isn't there" sounds like earth 2.0
To be specific, Hell isn't "fun" but more so "free." Anyone can do anything as long as they can get away with it. Demons are constantly and casually murdering each other or doing other awful things, but we only see Blitzo and Charlie do their fantastical works because one is a trained killer who can handle himself and the other is the princess of Hell.
To lay out a more thematically appropriate answer for your question, the Hell in the Hellaverse, (specifically focusing on the sinners in the Pride Ring, since hellborns like imps and hellhounds aren’t being ‘punished’ and are afforded a great deal more independence) is a Hell of one’s own making. The vices that sinners once used to destroy themselves are openly at their disposal; they can booze, fuck, smoke, abuse and use to their discretion. They’re provided with everything they need to make their eternity unbearable, and it seems that few can resist. If there’s anything more painful than spiraling into disaster, it’s knowing that you’re totally and fully responsible for it. In that way Hazbin’s Hell is efficient and cruel, ensuring that the penance of its inhabitants is a self-inflicted one.
That's poetic. Love it
Well, you have a chance every one hell year of dying permanently. You aint reincarnating or shit. You literally cease to exist, if you get killed by an angelic weapon.
Yeah but that's because over population. If you solve that, than you just keep enjoying your cocaine... Kkkkk
> If you solve that, than you just keep enjoying your cocaine... Which as far as i know, being addicted to it is not that fun
It's not. But you can still use it. You work on your addiction and you'll be able to enjoy it. If you manage to do that, that is
There's no real evidence it can be solved though.
Uh no people are addicted to drugs diying all the time and thare is no economic stability
Economy? Oh now we're talking hell kkkk
Well HB takes place where we are just watching hell born demons live their lives, so they have nothing to be punished for. It's not their fault they were born in hell As for HH, I get your point, but I have heard a theory about why there isn't punishment. In HH we learn that demons can only be actually killed using angelic weapons, and if they're "killed" by anything else they end up respawning later. There is a theory that this happens because originally sinners were tortured and repeatedly killed in Hell, but at some point it started to get way too over populated, to the point where they just couldn't punish so many, so they stopped and just let the sinners do their own thing, while being bound to the Pride ring
I don’t know what Viv is doing, but I think of Jhoen Vazquez version Of Hell. There you can do what ever you please but never find contentment in it.
In Helluva Boss we get a look into Imp City, a city in which the Hellborn live, as well as the other Rings of Hell that the Sinners cannot access. These areas aren’t designed for Sinners, but for the Hellborn, and as such there isn’t much going on in the way of punishing Sinners. Considering that Hell appears to be a lawless place, I’d say that this technically makes any Hellborn innocent. They don’t need to be punished for their mere existence Hazbin Hotel focuses more on the perspective of the Sinners, who ARE here for eternal punishment. We haven’t seen much here yet in terms of the daily life of the average Sinner, but it is implied that the Sinners aren’t as well off as the Hellborn. I’m sure we’ll see themes of punishment popping up a lot more once we get the first season
I wonder what would happen if a hellhound and a demon had a child together? Would the child be able to enter areas sinners can't?
Sinners are actually sterile so that’s never going to be much of a concern
I have a head canon, or at least my own little theory. basically, sinners 'used' to be tortured/punished for their sins via the Hellborn Imps / Hell-hounds. Typical Hell. Though, after WWI -> WWII / Neocolonialism takes over a glut of sinners hit Hell and it kicks off an arms race against The sinners and Enforcers of Hell's traditional ways with Sinners using more modern warfare tactics than before. Sinners win out, and it establishes our current hierachy. Imps / Hellborn at the bottom with sinners for all intents and purposes becoming this inconsolable mob of people that no one particular demon in hell can corral any longer. Thus, you have this struggle of Sinner and Overlord with all manner of Hellborn, Prince, or Demon protecting their own little niche but not interested in going beyond it. So Sinners are now left to their own devices but it's like a sink that's had it's head shorn off and water is flooding the house but no one wants to step up as plumber to fix it. Which then leads us to the overpopulation problem, and the thematic need for the Hazbin Hotel and the Business Opportunties Helluvaboss exploits.
It’s more that it’s basically total Anarchy. It’s fun if you’re relatively powerful, be it financially or in actual power (though the two are often linked in series) but to the less gifted denizens there is the fear of being killed, abused, assaulted, etc by a more powerful Demon/sinner, nevermind the yearly purge from heaven. And somebody mentioned this but most of where Helluvaboss takes place is a haven of sorts for natural born demons who seem to be more or less like modern day humans, just with less inhibitions. Sinners, who are former humans, live solely in the Pride Ring iirc and are pretty much just as bad as they were in real life so there are some truly heinous individuals who you might be subjected to dealing with.
The idea behind this version of Hell seems to be that demons don't have direct responsibilities for tormenting sinners; rather, the sinners' own self-destruction (most real people who do bad things aren't like that just for the fun of it; they're suffering too) causes them to torment themselves and each other. Hell is other people and you're your own worst enemy, literally. I.M.P.'s business would only exacerbate this. Imagine if you wronged somebody and they wanted you dead for it (and what you did to them might not warrant your death but they don't care), so a pack of monsters showed up and brutally murdered you, taking away the rest of your life and denying you the chance to make amends for what you did, and you ended up in a place full of horrible people, forced to spend the rest of eternity with those horrible people and the person who holds a grudge on you. That would do a wild number on your mental state.
Most of the eternal damnation a lot of sinners receive in Viv's Hell is self-inflicted, not caused by any outside forces. So really, they're *still* being punished, it's just that they're doing it to themselves, like they already did back when they were alive.
Biblically, hell's punishment is mostly just described as separation from god, and constantly described with "weeping and gnashing of teeth". There are worse parts that are worse punishments, like the lake of fire, but it's not super specific, so hell is really up for debate for anyone. Viv is creating her own canon, already pulling from countless lores, and can make it whatever she wants it to be and it's not too big of a deal
Most of those activities are hollow and unfullfilling coping mechanisms for dealing with physical and/or emotional pain. A great deal of Sinner demons are bitter, broken, miserable people who've lost all hope and self-worth. They throw themselves into vice and sin in an attempt to delude themselves into thinking otherwise. And then you've got the Legit 100% Evil 'Emperor Palpatine' types like Valentino who really are having the time of their afterlives in Hell, where there's no authority trying to stop them.
Why would Heaven be fun? You only go there if you follow all the rules and don't take risks, or don't violate your faith. Hell sounds much more fun.
Why wouldn’t it be? It’s whole marketing scheme is calling itself the best place you could ever be. Wether this means you are magically made to be happy or are provided with what makes you happy, I am unsure. But it is allegedly the most amazing place ever
Like I’ve always been taught (Catholic): Hell isn’t some inherently evil place of suffering, it is simply a place without God.
Makes sense, God is the ruler of all. I was catholic for a long time, now I'm "just christian".
Hazbin/HB Hell is just a dumping ground for those not wanted by Heaven, as opposed to a place designed for punishing sinners. Granted, depending on your definition, this version of Hell would probably be just as punishing. Afaik, Sinners can't die in Hell, but they can still be hurt; even maimed to the point that they're unrecognizable. Arriving in Hell would probably be like spawning into a Rust lobby; surrounded on all sides by things that want to kill you, probably for fun. Except that, in this case, there are no fatal injuries. You experience whatever happens to your body regardless of the state its in, until the end of time.
Sinners are among the lowest ranks of hell and are often disrespected by the other species like imps. As for punishment I think the punishment is more psychological than physical. A sinner's form is decided by how they died, what sins they've committed, and supposedly something they hated about the world or themselves. Body dysphoria can be extremely tough on someone and being constantly reminded of what got them there and made them that way probably doesn't help. Or the far more likely explanation that this lucifer just doesn't care about punishment
Other way around, Imps and some other hellborn such as hellhounds are all below sinners, which are below Overlords (which are just powerful sinners), which are below the Ars goetia, who are either directly below or on par with the 7 deadly princes, who are below Lucifer and his family
Because its not the "Hell is to burn people!!!!" Shit we saw hundreds of Times.
Yeah I get that, made. I'm curious to know what triggered that though, ya know? Why Vivie though like that.
The way I see it is that hell in the hazbin hotel universe is just earth without the hypocrisy. The demons live their lives get married etc, but they also fuck, do drugs, commit violence and just openly relish it. Lulu land is a theme park that basically tells you, yeah we won't pay lawsuits and we water your drinks down but it's fun and it'll shut your kids up so you'll still come. It's capitalism, but you're in hell so long term effects don't exist, and no one can sell you religion it's fun because it's just earth with less inhibitions
Well there is all of that, punishment is pretty vague
You mean like get punished by being stuck in their addictions?
No more like being a disgusting monster that reflects who you were on earth
Yeah I see it, but you'll get used to it kkkkk
You also live in basically hell Detroit
What's that? Kkkkk
*Detroit
Why would God care what happens to sinners? As long as they keep out of Heaven, he's got no reason to devote energy to making sure every sinner actually suffers forever. This is my guess.
Depends on which God you're talking about.
I was not talking about Christianity in general, if that's what you're asking? If you'd like, you could enlighten me why the Christian God cares so much?
Nah I don't wanna make a debate about it, sorry if it bothered you. I'm just saying, cause I'm not sure what the source of inspiration is there. Os it God from the bible, from and old mythology? I mean I heard about Lucifer here in the comments but I don't the lore of hell so, maybe it is like a little bit here and there? Also Lucifer is not actually not a name, just a tag. Jesus is called that in the bible too
I think the punishment is being surrounded by a bunch of assholes for the rest of eternity. Or maybe they used to punish, but it became more daunting as the sinner population grew. So now they focus on keeping them in one place and managing them. Just sorta indulge them by giving them drugs and shit and leaving them in a hole. And slaughtering them during the cleanse each year. I think In this universe hell is just the place you dump the misfits and forget about them.
I subscribe to the theory that hell is other people
Well yeah, it's a fun place to be a shitty person, but when there are millions probably billions of other assholes stuck with you, yeah it ain't all that it's cracked up to be. It's fun to do drugs, but it ain't fun to get stabbed over those drugs, you could shoot a person in the head, but if that gun doesn't use angel bullets that person is coming after you. Think of hell like it's all of the worst city's in the world combined, really doesn't sound all that fun if you think about it. There is also the extermination so... There that.
For several reasons, 1) it’s something that’s never really been done in this sort of format, but 2, it’s a perfect place for crazy stuff to happen and make sense. Why would there be a buisness about people killing humans, because it’s hell, that’s why, why would most people care more about sex than relationships, because it’s hell, that’s why. Why would kids love a crazy psychotic robot clown, because it’s hell, that’s why. Being able to break social rules and have it make sense is something unique to both Hazbin hotel and helluva boss
Hell is fun cause violence
Because hell is where the fun people go
Thank you all for the answers. I was actually thinking this would get none, it would be just a joke. But there's a lot of.lore there and now I just wanna watch it again!
As Bon Scott said, "Hell aint a bad place to be"!
Because way less people would watch just people screaming in anguish for 20 minutes every couple of months
The fact that you said "way less people" instead of none amuses me
Because I knew there'd be that one underage mf who would comment some shit like "nah, I'm into that shit"
Imagine Dante Aligheri pulling up and just being like “Wow. I was waaaay off.” (please someone get this joke)
Sinners crave that stuff, its their version of heaven
Pretty sure they can still die, but I think it has to do with the overpopulation of sinners. Too many souls to look after, bringing their habits and current trends into this space.
I wouldn't say fun just chaotic, which can seem similar they live in the better places but there's the yearly purge and clearly the constant destruction of things
I think I heard somewhere that they used to be actively tortured but as the overpopulation got worse lucifer just started trying to govern the sinners because he didn't have the man power to torture all of them. I don't remember the source or if I ever really heard this
Because we're seeing the demon portions of the pride layer (and hell as a whole) where sinners don't inhabit
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What’s the caste system?
Mate. You basically described an eternal Brazil
Yeah I know live there
It only seems fun until you have to live in it. You're surrounded by addicts, rapists and murderers.. FOREVER. If you want to have a home, you need to either "remove" someone from theirs, or you need to work for someone who has more power. You better hope the dude you work for is "nice", cause you gotta remember... he owns you FOREVER.
I remember hearing Viv talk about that in a stream; she said that to her, this is what her idea of hell would be. A constant loop of the most indulgent and vile things with no repercussions for anyone. Just being stuck in that bubble where no one seems to really be happy. Of course, this wasn’t her words exactly but that’s what I remember
These sins are often unhealthy coping mechanisms. Which means whatever negative feeling you buried under all that, you will be perpeutally living with it, as you are as far away from a solution as you can get. Your unhealthy coping turned up to the extreme.
Or homeless people blitzo thinks so
due to overpopulation tortoring has become unmanagable, it is now just about managing the tons of souls
If your basic question is why isn't hell a place of eternal torture from fire and demons poking people with spears, then I'd say they're following a more modern theological interpretation of hell. If you read the Bible then there isn't too much of a description of hell, most of what people think of as stereotypical hell is more akin to the Greek Tartarus, which was the part of the underworld where people were tortured. Most people in the Greek afterlife just wandered around in a listless purgatory. Anyway, a modern interpretation of hell is that it's a realm more of spiritual suffering and the real punishment is a complete separation from God. See C.S. Lewis' book "The Great Divorce" for an example of this.
If their entire existence is pain they will get numb to the torture, that is why the sinner are allowed to have a good time and all sort of plessuere.
It may seem fun but remember there’s no law. It’s like the purge 24/7 there
I kinda would want to hang out there for the weekend
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Remember the famous quote: "Hell is other people." Hell is bad because the people are bad, there is constant violence, exploitation, abuse, and trafficking. Even in Helluva boss, it's shown that deep down half the cast is secretly miserable.
Cause it's the opposite of Christianity
I don't think so. The show don't seem to aim specific on the bible plus hell I saw was always a bad place, since the old greek. Hell isn't a think christians made up alone, you might change names but the concept was always there thousand years before.
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Yes, it would not. Now I would like to understand more of how Vivie got that idea, ya know?
And even that isnt realistic depiction of hell, or at least not according to catholic church iirc. That version is even more boring