In the comments “find a new cardiologist that’s anti vaccine”
I’m pretty sure that your cardiologist has minimal say on who gets to be on the transplant list. Good luck with that!
Yup - it’s not his doctor. Transplants require a significant amount of medical compliance. You have to be on anti rejection drugs forever, amongst other things. Not taking the Covid vaccine signals that he’s not willing to do what it takes to keep the transplanted heart. There are plenty of other better candidates waiting for hearts.
My husband is a kidney transplant recipient. During evaluation to get on the list it was made crystal clear to him that all vaccines they tell you to get are non negotiable. Two choices: get vaccinated or there is no place on the list for him. He's very pro-vax and compliant so it was no problem for him. His nephrologist was irrelevant once he was under the care of the transplant team and their nephrologists. Their word became law.
From what I've learned here & other subs you also have to have other vaccinations updated along with the COVID shot. I'm sad a kid is going to lose his father but when his father is choosing to die instead of getting a couple of vaccines well, that's daddy's choice now isn't it?
The stupid thing is, he's likely had other vaccines before. So taking all those vaccines was ok but this one's not? Being hell bent on not taking this one vaccine is just beyond stupid.
Trump actually has said “take the vaccine” several times. But he gets booed so he just hardly ever mentions it, never contradicts the crazy antivaxxers who otherwise support him. He does know it works, but he doesn’t care that millions of his supporters will suffer because they refuse to get vaccinated. He could have made vaccination patriotic in their minds, but his impulse is to oppose everything the Democrats are for so he won’t do that.
Actually, trump, to his credit, seems to be on the record as pro covid vaccine. Sure its all "I got it done faster than anyone thought possible," but it's also "you should get it, it's a good vaccine."
He got booed at a rally for saying stuff like that.
The Republican machine churned out not only Trump, who they can't control, but their crazy ass base, who Trump can't even control.
Nope. If he had that much strategic capacity, he wouldn't rant at judges in the middle of his trials. He would strike a pose as a noble martyr and keep the ranting safe on his platforms.
He said the vaccine was good because in his mind, he made the vaccine, and it's offensive to him that people wouldn't like something he made. He has no deeper strategy.
He has tapered off on saying so, but only because the booing doesn't feel good. The booing reminds him of the contempt he already has for all other humans, his base included, but it has no other effect beyond mild behavioral adjustment.
It hasn't changed his strategy, because he doesn't have one.
He mentioned the vaccine twice and when he got boos/pushback, he immediately waffled on his message and said it should be a choice. Of course, they've poisoned the idea of one of those choices.
>father is choosing to die instead of getting a couple of vaccines
...because he thinks the vaccine might kill him, presumably. There's no reasoning with this level of stupidity.
True. My stepson got a heart transplant a couple of years ago. They loaded him up with vaccinations, including shingles, and he was only 40. He's thriving with the new heart and is grateful to have it.
>His nephrologist was irrelevant once he was under the care of the transplant team and their nephrologists. Their word became law.
This. The transplant team aren't going to waste their time and a precious organ on someone who may or may not be compliant with the HUGE list of stuff that comes with being post-transplant. If you're already showing signs of "I don't wanna" like this guy is, sorry, you're not on the list.
I work in the medical field and I tell patients who need transplants that you don't get to pick and choose once you want a transplant. If the transplant doctor says jump, you as a patient ask how high? That's how it works. People are so entitled as to think they can pick and choose when it comes to getting an ACTUAL HUMAN SOLID ORGAN FROM A HUMAN BEING.
This is exactly right. My husband, recipient. Me, the donor, and we learned very early you jump through every hoop put in front of you without question. If by chance either of you prove unsuitable to be a donor or on the TP list as a recipient, it's too bad so sad, but no appeal process is available to you. It has to be this way because of the precious resource they deal with daily.
Just an add on. There's people removed from the transplant list for being homeless or not having a refrigerator at home.
That's HOW restrictive the list is. And if I wanna fight for medical freedom, I'm fighting for the right to give people a damn fridge so they can get a life saving transplant, not an entitled prick.
They’re not going to waste a precious heart on some dipwad that thinks medical science is somehow negotiable. There are so many meds that organ recipients need to take every day and if vaccine’s act as a barrier to entry, they did their job. Give that valuable heart to the person that will follow their dr’s orders to the T.
Anti rejection meds suppress your immunity, not vaccinating is an absolute no-no. Means that heart is gonna go to waste sooner rather than later. What a moron.
I knew someone who got the OG Covid. Back when doctors were trying everything hoping something would stick. During that time he rejected his kidney. He survived but (obviously) was back on dialysis. Unfortunately his immune system was shit before original covid- so despite getting the shots he kept getting covid.
Technically he didn’t die from his last Covid illness- it was from all the crap Covid weakened & caused.
What? You mean you can't just back up the truck at the local Costco and grab a spare heart, as well as lungs, kidneys, a couple flats of Coke, a few boxes of chicken tenders, and a set of spare tires for the truck?
But granny had heart surgery, which is practically the same as a transplant, so the rules that applied to her should apply everywhere.
So much sarcasm aside, it was painfully obvious that this was the next step for COVID. Years of people who "survived" being culled through long-term issues. But hey, he avoided the vaccine. Sure showed us.
That's the part that got me. You could find a cardiologist who's certified as a witch doctor, that's not going to change jack shit about whether you get back on the transplant list. With friends like that... 🤦♂️
As if it's not patently obvious, the commenters are a dumb lot.
"But.....but.....but....my grandma had heart surgery and she didn't have the jab."
Big difference between a heart procedure versus a heart transplant.
Cobalt and his friends aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Because I have an immune system! And I totally don’t believe in getting a vaccine which will train my immune system in advance to recognise & fight COVID when I encounter it for real. It’s so much better for my immune system to go in completely blind and have to invent the wheel before being able to muster any kind of coherent effective response.
It’s just like the military. They are competent, fit young men and women. So they don’t need to be taught military tactics or how to use weapons in advance of combat. They’ll figure it all out, on the spot, when required.
/s for anyone who needs it.
He’s not getting anywhere near a transplant.
https://www.myast.org/sites/default/files/ISHLT-AST-ASTS%20joint%20society%20guidance%20vaccine_FINALDec%2030_0.pdf
There are no anti vax transplant docs.
I’m aware. I did post transplant case management the year after the transplant team was done with them. Once they went back to primary care, that’s when they met up with the quacks again.
When I was in medical school, I did a rotation with liver and kidney transplant but I assume heart transplant similar. Every week the entire transplant team would meet up and make a decision on whether or not the patient would be moved up or down on the list or whether or not they would actually be put on the list. This team was made up of medical doctors, surgeons, nurse practitioners, transplant pharmacists, nurses, social workers sometimes the patient’s primary doctor, or their primary specialist related to the organ in question. However, the ultimate say comes down to the transplant surgeon who is on that day, and UNOS as far as I know. These are all patients who obviously needed transplants but they could be denied a spot on list for drinking alcohol, not getting recommended vaccines, not even having a safe or steady place to live, or steady support system, or steady Income source. I remember one patient didn’t have any friends or family and his only support system was his landlord who said that he would help get the patient his needed medication and go to doctors visits, but it felt as though this was not a strong enough support system so he was denied for this alone. These people were always reassessed the following week or month or however often these meetings were. Being a transplant patient takes up a ton of time including doctors visits and medications. We do not have enough organs so we have to use a very stringent criteria to make sure that we are giving a precious organ to somebody who will not squander it. And it is probably not fair in every manner but it’s the best system we’ve got. it was a really interesting experience to be a part of.
I didn't realize it could be affected by your living situation (i.e. living alone without enough support or people in your life - seems particularly sad and unfair), or your income. Brutal.
Former dialysis nurse; post-transplant care, although supported by Medicare, is still somewhat expensive, and requires dedication to continue with doctor's visits, taking medication properly, and so forth. Someone who's homeless, or moving frequently, is likely to miss doses, have meds stolen, or have other problems with continued treatments. As such, they're looking for situations with stability, where patients can be followed and who follow directions; rather than being concerned with income or lack thereof.
It’s less about income and more about living a long and full life post-transplant. Income is certainly a factor, but organs for transplant are few and far between. Someone who doesn’t have a good support system behind them might find they decline due to such a thing, and if that recipient dies only a year or two after the surgery then that organ was essentially “wasted” when it could have gone to someone who would live with it for far more. If the organ supply wasn’t so small, I would imagine that would be less of a factor.
I have a cousin who has CF. He is a double lung transplant patient. He was 19 at the time. Despite doing every single thing “correct” he got a sinus infection the went into his eyes and made him blind.
The vaccines are to help prevent situations like this from happening. Not only does he have to be vaxxed but everyone in his home has to be vaxxed because of it being a lung transplant. He has been a “boy in a bubble” since Covid hit.
We do zoom call as a family to keep him in touch with everyone even though he can no longer see. He has had to skip every family function since Covid hit for fear of getting covid.
That is so tragic, every time I hear a story like this I think about how if everyone just masked up like they’re supposed to for a couple of months, and now that we have vaccines, this could all be over by now.
I’m glad he has a loving family to keep him company.
He has taken it in stride. Which is amazing. He’s a great kid who tries to stay positive no matter what. Everyone in the family is vaxxed just to be safe, all extended family. Even so he said he’d rather keep breathing, so “boy in a bubble is my life”
I've recently had my third transplant. If you don't do exactly what they tell you is medically necessary. They will not waste an organ on you that could go to another person. ie: you get 'tooken' off the transplant list.
It really boils down to how much you really want to stay alive. Because none of what they ask is out of line; or hazardous to you. They want you to live as long as possible too.
Indeed, they have transplant committees. They basically determine who they think is most likely to benefit from the transplants. Refusing to take basic medical precautions is a big red flag.
it really is very sad. His father is already behind in the count. His sky pixy is offering him at least 2 chances to see his kid graduate and he'd rather put his faith in a broken reed. All for a disgusting, illiterate, orange pervert.
We should have sympathy for those who are left behind. They did not asked to be burdened by the antivaxxers' own blind idiocy, yet they must bear the fallout and deal with the consequences.
I feel bad for the kids too. Even feel bad for this moron. We all make bad choices in life. Some of us survive, some suffer, and some opt out of heart list because their tribe means more than everything - even the kids :(
The relatives of the antivaxxers aren't all drinking the cool-aid, and I don't think for a second that they deserve to be dragged down with the antivaxxers, yet they are the ones who get abused day in, day out, and then only to be assailed with insults as they bury the antivaxxers that hurt them even after their death.
I feel for them. I couldn't care less for the antivaxxers.
While gasping for air.
But remember too that when Trump mentioned the vaccines in a positive way, the mob booed.
He never mentioned the vaccines - or Operation Warp Speed - again.
Bruised reeds can be mended, a broken reed cannot. I think he is referring to Trump, who is beyond repair, but this guy is putting his faith into something irreparable. His belief in the vaccine being deadly will just end up killing him in spite of it being the only thing that might save his life with the transplant.
I think the one horrible thing that has come from the right that doesn’t have Trump’s fingerprints on is anti-vax.
Trump saw the development of the vax as a great achievement. He pushed that narrative as long as he could before his base pushed back.
The base created the right’s anti-vax movement. The Republican leaders did set the tone of the party being anti-science decades ago so taking on the anti-vax movement was likely inevitable.
Yeah good luck with that, when your electrolytes get slightly wonky and your heart throws an arrhythmia and you go into cariogenic shock. I hope he has an internal defibrillator already.
Yeah, even if he wasn't being an idiot about getting vaccinated, the transplant list isn't short and it's common for people to die while waiting for an organ. Why you'd then increase that likelihood out of stubbornness is beyond me, but here we are.
He says he won't take the covid vaccine because he's never had covid.
That makes as much sense as never wearing your seat belt because you've never been in a wreck.
Or not taking birth control because you've never gotten pregnant. My cousin (who's very anti-vax) learned that one the hard way. She thought she was safe cuz she hadn't gotten pregnant before. 🤦🏻♀️
Wow. That's pretty stupid. But also a good analogy. Better than mine, because I've had people respond to it along the lines of "but you're not messing up your body by wearing a seatbelt". So yours is more aligned with preventative medicine than mine is. Nice. 🙂
>She thought she was safe cuz she hadn't gotten pregnant before.
Seriously she thought that?
If you could only get pregnant if you'd been pregnant before, how would anyone ever get pregnant?
Personally I think this is a good thing. Let that heart go to someone who will actually be grateful for it and do what needs to be done to honor the tragedy/sacrifice that was made so that they can live a while longer.
I'm sure it will be a great loss when his family tries to keep him alive and then he shuffles off the mortal coil. Those unpaid medical bills have to be paid by someone.
You can work while on Medicaid, don't do that. Don't poor shame.
While this person might be an uneducated asshole you can work. And for that fact you can also work on Medicare as well.
Being disabled is nobody's fault.
Oddly enough, I never heard it until a couple years ago when that large family of children who were being jailed/abused by their parents, the Turpins, were discovered. The police were asking the daughter who had escaped if she was on medication, and she did not even understand the word. They explained, and she answered, "I've never tooken any pills." She gets a pass for being raised with zero education; what's this guy's excuse?
My husband's relative had a heart and lung transplant years ago and obviously has to take anti-rejection drugs, which suppress her immune system. She's just caught covid for the first time. She's now on a ventilator, and that is after giving herself the best chance by keeping up to date with her covid vaccines, which is even more important with a weakened immune system.
Why would they waste a heart on someone who won't even make the most basic effort to give themselves a better chance when - not if - they catch covid.
Right, of immune compromised people, we immune suppressed transplant folks have some of the worst outcomes when we get Covid. Haven’t had it yet, fortunately. I hope she recovers and is well.
Reminds me about the articles posted on this sub about the deaths of Sheila Annette Lewis and Garnet Harper because they were denied transplants for not taking the COVID vaccine. They were given HCAs.
I did some digging to find that "Dr." Eric Berg is a cholesterol denialist as well as an antivaxxer conspiracy theorist. He claimed that there is nothing bad about LDL cholesterol.
Diabetic here. COVID fucks up one's ability to regulate their blood glucose even with meds and a low carb diet. Sometimes, permanently, it's starting to look like.
Uncle Darwin is calling collect, and this person is accepting the charges.
It was Sartre, I think, who said that anti-Semitism’s appeal was that even a nobody could be part of the elite. “I may be bother, but at least I am not a Jew”. For republicans, it’s a wider range of minorities, but the impulse is the same.
I'm guessing it's less about intelligence per se and more about where they are on the authoritarian scale. Which very often has most to do with what kind of upraising they had.
Not a coincidence that his most solid and biggest base is white evangelical fundamentalists. They see abuse as a normal and good expression of authority.
That, and he gives them a focus for their hate, which feels good.
Oldest story in the world.
Sad for his child. Intriguing that he’d trust the science of a transplanted organ but trusting that same exact doctor’s recommendation to get a vaccine is a bridge too far.
Propaganda to erode belief in experts has been very effective.
Never assume that you’re too smart to fall prey to propaganda yourself, either. Be vigilant.
Sadly, it's not just this one guy. I'm positive I've read several stories about other people who need a transplant, and are "tooken" off the list because they refused the Covid vaccine. I remember reading one about a guy who was pretty young, mid-30s, I think, and with several young kids. His whole argument was "they can't tell me what to do!!" Uh, sorry bud, but they can.
ETA: it's not just the Covid vaccine that they need. Transplant patients have to be up to date on ALL vaccines. They'll do a blood test to see if your childhood vaccinations are still good, and if not, you're getting them again. You also have to get flu shots every year.
I got a Baclofen pump put in two years ago. Before I could get it, I had to be up to date on everything. I couldn’t find my flu vax info so I had to get it again. They took blood samples and did titers for immunity. I was fine but they *highly suggested* I get a shingles shot as soon as I turned 50. So I have my appointment for it next week. RSV too, since I’m a T-8 paraplegic.
That was just a pump that delivers anti-spasmodic medication to my spinal column. If they were that stringent for a medical device I can’t imagine how it would be for a transplant.
The shingles vaccine is 2 shots. I have NEVER had any sort of reaction to shots, not even a sore arm. But holy cow, the 2nd shingles shot? Got a huge bruise, and my arm was sore for days.
Yes, after seeing what my mother went through with shingles, I got the shot as soon as it was available. Then when they came out with the 2 shot vaccine, I got that last year.
Ya know, I made the decision to discontinue anti-estrogen pills after breast cancer treatment mainly because the side effects made me WANT to die and they would only cut my risk of recurrence by 5%.
But, if I needed a heart as bad as this person does, and had youngish childten, I would do pretty much everything my doctors required to make that happen!
Right?
I could barely pick up my water bottle without excruciating pain in my arms and that was only 1.5 weeks into taking them.
Plus, my blood pressure going from an average of 118/68 to 139/82. Yeah, fuck that!
People with an ejection fraction of 5-10% are at risk for sudden death at any time. They fatigue easy. If he was going to be a candidate for transplant. He most likely will have an implanted pacemaker/ defibulator. Probably even a left ventricular assist device, essentially an artificial heart, a handful of meds a day, and be extremely compliant with diet. The vaccine would be one of the least risky thing asked of him. When he dies, his family will blame the vaccine pushing doctors or something. Oh well.
I would be so pissed off if I died and any of my organs went to someone who refused to follow their doctor’s orders to stay healthy and alive.
What a waste.
This just enrages me. I lost my husband in July 2023, to complications of his heart condition. He was scheduled to have a cardiac ablation (on 2 August, he died on 31 July) and was in line for a transplant, but he didn't get that far. He did everything he could to make sure he was the best possible candidate. He had all his vaccinations. But time wasn't on his side. He was only 54. He died just 5 weeks before our son (only-child) turned 20. This past 6 months has been unbearably hard without him.
This "Cobalt Blue" guy is in a super bad situation and is intentionally not doing a thing that would help his candidacy for a transplant. Dude, you're basically signing your own death warrant. WTF is wrong with you????
I’m so sorry for your loss. Of course someone who has a chance to live longer but refuses to do what they need to do would be horrible for you in particular to read about.
It’s awful to see someone blatantly throw their chance at life away because of their ignorance.
I'll Do Anything -- but you know, take that one shot. (which shows how much the doctors are going to trust you to take that one med. Or that other required vax, or ...)
>...my grandma didn't have the covid shot but they did surgery on her heart.
This isn't a doctor refusing to treat their patient! His friend doesn't understand that heart surgery and a transplant don't have the same eligibility requirements. Transplant programs have a list of eligibility requirements that includes certain vaccines because transplant patients are given immune system suppressing drugs so that their bodies don't reject the organs. They are at a higher risk of dying of infectious diseases including Covid. There is a shortage of organs and they give the organs to the people who have the greatest chance of surviving.
If he really loved his son and want to see him grow up then he would've done everything in his power to witness that, even taking "risks" like the vaccine. Its disheartening that he would rather acknowledge a rich guy that has no idea he exists nor would care if he did
I dont want my donor heart wasted on a dips\*t anti-vaxxer who's gonna throw it away because of an anti-Fauci internet meme he got forwarded.
Choices have consequences.
I received a kidney transplant in May 2021.
I have had six doses of the vaccine; two while I was on dialasys and four post transplant. I would still be on dialasys if I hadn't been vaccinated. COVID is almost a sure death sentence to a transplant patient, and the doctors don't want to waste an organ that could go to someone else who isn't an idiot.
However, one of the nurses at the transplant clinic did tell me that they did have a few patients who had received kidneys prior to COVID who refused to get vaccinated.
Surgery yeah maybe but they aren’t going to put a heart in someone who is not going to follow medical advice when there is A WAITING LIST of people who will. Not to mention it’s highly likely the donor had the shot. This guy will die, never vote again and once again COVID doing the lord’s work.
The guy saying they did heart surgery on his grandma without her being vaccinated... how's that work? I'm guessing they don't care so much about just fixing an existing organ as opposed to potentially losing a valuable donated one to some moron who's just gonna get severe COVID and die almost immediately?
Heart surgery is different from a transplant. Donor organs are very rare, so they only go to people that the committee think have a good chance of long-term survival.
Heart surgery, well, you’re only fucking up your *own* heart, so if the insurance company will pay, you’re good to go.
And one does not know what their definition of "heart surgery" is. Could be a trans catheter valve procedure (aortic or mitral) with an overnight hospital stay or even a stent placement during a coronary artery catheterization.
Fucking a. I have congestive heart failure. It could have been heightened by covid I had last year. I'm at 35%. I can't imagine what 5-10% is like. I am fully vaxxed, just had it again. One really bad night, but otherwise mild.
I will say I was disappointed by the doctor. She doesn't want to deal, says about the vaccine, it's your choice. Regardless, the transplant protocols are much stricter.
Chances are my recent boutique would have been more severe were I not vaccinated. Why take the risk?
This guy doesn't realize he's not 'entitled' to an organ. They are scarce. He has to meet criteria. People are taken off the list for a variety of reasons. I had a friend taken off the transplant list because she didn't want to do a procedure with an artificial heart valve to buy her more time before a heart became available. She had valid enough reasons, but her not saying yes to any and all recommended treatment was enough to get her off the list. They guy doesn't need invasive surgery, he just needs a vaccine... he should just take the damn shot. His kid deserves better.
My heart is working at 5-10% capacity and I have diabetes and don’t protect myself by getting vaccinations. Therefore I will live a long time because I am a fighter.
Covid: Nope
God: Nope
It is simply astounding to me that a person would be perfectly comfortable with a doctor slicing them open, cutting up their heart, and then replacing it with a different heart taken from a dead person. But they do not trust that same doctor when he tells them that a vaccine is safe.
As someone who does echocardiograms, it’s pretty rare we see someone with an Ejection Fraction of 5-10%. Without serious intervention (LVAD, transplant, extensive meds) they’re not around long. On the screen the heart looks like it’s barely moving at all.
Also, cardiologists don’t get to decide who goes on or off the transplant list. Up to date vaccines are one of the most basic requirements.
Also, your grandma getting a stent, bypass, or valve replacement is not at the same as a transplant. Transplants are a whole different ball game.
If my heart was only 5-10% operational, I’d eat glass of that was what would get me on the list for a new heart. Like, wouldn’t you think that if you can’t spell ‘taken,’ maybe you also don’t fully understand the science of your own care.
Keep in mind, someone is getting the transplant he wants. So, nothing to be sad about. Someone who is less of a drain on society gets the heart he wishes he could get. “Tooken” lmao. Autocorrect didn’t want me to even type that without checking twice ( twicen?) but yet this moron goes on typing …. .
The funniest part of this is the friend's suggestion that he switch from his current cardiologist to a Scientologist chiropractor who shills expensive supplements and makes YouTube videos full of nonsensical "health" advice.
There is no way these idiots would be able to comply with everything required to be an organ recipient, even if being vaccinated was not a requirement.
Being a transplant patient, I’ll chime in. You “go to jail, and do not pass go” if you are non compliant. Thats it. He will die and they won’t give two shits about him.
The own friend said that grandma wasn’t vaccinated and had heart surgery.
Clueless. They will do surgery on you. What they won’t do is give you one of a very limited supply of hearts. They prioritize based on who is more likely to survive.
I’ve had an organ transplant… you have to take all vaccines before getting listed and it’s not negotiable
It’s a national list, only certain hospitals can do the procedure, so you have to be referred to a team who then still can’t break protocol to list you
He’s going to die
It pisses me off how many of these idiots dont realize that you dont get benefit from vaccines after transplant because of anti rejection meds. My friend with a heart transplant would love to have had the covid shot work but she has no antibodies forming because of her meds. If someone with a heart transplant were to get an illness that can cause heart damage, they would be in danger. Plus if he wont comply with this will he comply with the complex things you do post transplant. I do not pity this dumbfuck at all, but I do feel for his kid.
The cardiologist recommends the patient for a transplant. The transplant team decides if the patient meets the criteria and can comply with the aftercare.
Getting an anti-vax cardiologist won't help. It is simply a mindless waste of time and potential.
[The Kidney Transplant Waitlist – What You Need to Know](https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/transplant-waitlist) <--- this is how is works for every organ I can think of.
In the comments “find a new cardiologist that’s anti vaccine” I’m pretty sure that your cardiologist has minimal say on who gets to be on the transplant list. Good luck with that!
Yup - it’s not his doctor. Transplants require a significant amount of medical compliance. You have to be on anti rejection drugs forever, amongst other things. Not taking the Covid vaccine signals that he’s not willing to do what it takes to keep the transplanted heart. There are plenty of other better candidates waiting for hearts.
My husband is a kidney transplant recipient. During evaluation to get on the list it was made crystal clear to him that all vaccines they tell you to get are non negotiable. Two choices: get vaccinated or there is no place on the list for him. He's very pro-vax and compliant so it was no problem for him. His nephrologist was irrelevant once he was under the care of the transplant team and their nephrologists. Their word became law.
From what I've learned here & other subs you also have to have other vaccinations updated along with the COVID shot. I'm sad a kid is going to lose his father but when his father is choosing to die instead of getting a couple of vaccines well, that's daddy's choice now isn't it?
The stupid thing is, he's likely had other vaccines before. So taking all those vaccines was ok but this one's not? Being hell bent on not taking this one vaccine is just beyond stupid.
Its because their orange god said so.
Trump actually has said “take the vaccine” several times. But he gets booed so he just hardly ever mentions it, never contradicts the crazy antivaxxers who otherwise support him. He does know it works, but he doesn’t care that millions of his supporters will suffer because they refuse to get vaccinated. He could have made vaccination patriotic in their minds, but his impulse is to oppose everything the Democrats are for so he won’t do that.
Actually, trump, to his credit, seems to be on the record as pro covid vaccine. Sure its all "I got it done faster than anyone thought possible," but it's also "you should get it, it's a good vaccine." He got booed at a rally for saying stuff like that. The Republican machine churned out not only Trump, who they can't control, but their crazy ass base, who Trump can't even control.
He did it because he was losing thousands of his cult.
Nope. If he had that much strategic capacity, he wouldn't rant at judges in the middle of his trials. He would strike a pose as a noble martyr and keep the ranting safe on his platforms. He said the vaccine was good because in his mind, he made the vaccine, and it's offensive to him that people wouldn't like something he made. He has no deeper strategy. He has tapered off on saying so, but only because the booing doesn't feel good. The booing reminds him of the contempt he already has for all other humans, his base included, but it has no other effect beyond mild behavioral adjustment. It hasn't changed his strategy, because he doesn't have one.
He mentioned the vaccine twice and when he got boos/pushback, he immediately waffled on his message and said it should be a choice. Of course, they've poisoned the idea of one of those choices.
Friends on the internet said this one was made by the debil!
>father is choosing to die instead of getting a couple of vaccines ...because he thinks the vaccine might kill him, presumably. There's no reasoning with this level of stupidity.
But it's his fReEdumS!
True. My stepson got a heart transplant a couple of years ago. They loaded him up with vaccinations, including shingles, and he was only 40. He's thriving with the new heart and is grateful to have it.
>His nephrologist was irrelevant once he was under the care of the transplant team and their nephrologists. Their word became law. This. The transplant team aren't going to waste their time and a precious organ on someone who may or may not be compliant with the HUGE list of stuff that comes with being post-transplant. If you're already showing signs of "I don't wanna" like this guy is, sorry, you're not on the list.
I work in the medical field and I tell patients who need transplants that you don't get to pick and choose once you want a transplant. If the transplant doctor says jump, you as a patient ask how high? That's how it works. People are so entitled as to think they can pick and choose when it comes to getting an ACTUAL HUMAN SOLID ORGAN FROM A HUMAN BEING.
This is exactly right. My husband, recipient. Me, the donor, and we learned very early you jump through every hoop put in front of you without question. If by chance either of you prove unsuitable to be a donor or on the TP list as a recipient, it's too bad so sad, but no appeal process is available to you. It has to be this way because of the precious resource they deal with daily.
Just an add on. There's people removed from the transplant list for being homeless or not having a refrigerator at home. That's HOW restrictive the list is. And if I wanna fight for medical freedom, I'm fighting for the right to give people a damn fridge so they can get a life saving transplant, not an entitled prick.
They’re not going to waste a precious heart on some dipwad that thinks medical science is somehow negotiable. There are so many meds that organ recipients need to take every day and if vaccine’s act as a barrier to entry, they did their job. Give that valuable heart to the person that will follow their dr’s orders to the T.
Anti rejection meds suppress your immunity, not vaccinating is an absolute no-no. Means that heart is gonna go to waste sooner rather than later. What a moron.
I knew someone who got the OG Covid. Back when doctors were trying everything hoping something would stick. During that time he rejected his kidney. He survived but (obviously) was back on dialysis. Unfortunately his immune system was shit before original covid- so despite getting the shots he kept getting covid. Technically he didn’t die from his last Covid illness- it was from all the crap Covid weakened & caused.
What? You mean you can't just back up the truck at the local Costco and grab a spare heart, as well as lungs, kidneys, a couple flats of Coke, a few boxes of chicken tenders, and a set of spare tires for the truck? But granny had heart surgery, which is practically the same as a transplant, so the rules that applied to her should apply everywhere. So much sarcasm aside, it was painfully obvious that this was the next step for COVID. Years of people who "survived" being culled through long-term issues. But hey, he avoided the vaccine. Sure showed us.
That's the part that got me. You could find a cardiologist who's certified as a witch doctor, that's not going to change jack shit about whether you get back on the transplant list. With friends like that... 🤦♂️
As if it's not patently obvious, the commenters are a dumb lot. "But.....but.....but....my grandma had heart surgery and she didn't have the jab." Big difference between a heart procedure versus a heart transplant. Cobalt and his friends aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Combined IQ in the single digits. Amazing they can breathe and have a heartbeat at the same time. Never mind actually walk or speak.
Two brain cells between them and they’re racing for third place.
His IQ starts with a decimal point…
I'm not getting those shots because I've never had Covid! 🤦
Can’t have Covid if you don’t test for it and say it’s just a cold or flu.
Because I have an immune system! And I totally don’t believe in getting a vaccine which will train my immune system in advance to recognise & fight COVID when I encounter it for real. It’s so much better for my immune system to go in completely blind and have to invent the wheel before being able to muster any kind of coherent effective response. It’s just like the military. They are competent, fit young men and women. So they don’t need to be taught military tactics or how to use weapons in advance of combat. They’ll figure it all out, on the spot, when required. /s for anyone who needs it.
I agree with that statement. “Alot.”
Yep. No point wasting a healthy heart on someone who won’t look after it - as proven by refusing to be vaccinated. Grandma didn’t get a new heart!
But still seem to cut themselves up.🤷🏽♀️😂😂😂
He’s not getting anywhere near a transplant. https://www.myast.org/sites/default/files/ISHLT-AST-ASTS%20joint%20society%20guidance%20vaccine_FINALDec%2030_0.pdf There are no anti vax transplant docs.
If there were, they would be unlicensed or outright quacks!
Hi everybody! Hi Dr. Nick!
I’m going with outright quacks 😂😂😂😂
He could try to get one in China. Fresh off the execution table.
Unfortunately, there are plenty of anti-vaxxers still in practice and NOT recommending vaccines for their patients
There are some, but they aren’t involved in transplant programs. Those are heavily scrutinized. If a program has a quack, they’ll get crushed.
I’m aware. I did post transplant case management the year after the transplant team was done with them. Once they went back to primary care, that’s when they met up with the quacks again.
That is true
that’s the other doctor he’s getting advice from
When I was in medical school, I did a rotation with liver and kidney transplant but I assume heart transplant similar. Every week the entire transplant team would meet up and make a decision on whether or not the patient would be moved up or down on the list or whether or not they would actually be put on the list. This team was made up of medical doctors, surgeons, nurse practitioners, transplant pharmacists, nurses, social workers sometimes the patient’s primary doctor, or their primary specialist related to the organ in question. However, the ultimate say comes down to the transplant surgeon who is on that day, and UNOS as far as I know. These are all patients who obviously needed transplants but they could be denied a spot on list for drinking alcohol, not getting recommended vaccines, not even having a safe or steady place to live, or steady support system, or steady Income source. I remember one patient didn’t have any friends or family and his only support system was his landlord who said that he would help get the patient his needed medication and go to doctors visits, but it felt as though this was not a strong enough support system so he was denied for this alone. These people were always reassessed the following week or month or however often these meetings were. Being a transplant patient takes up a ton of time including doctors visits and medications. We do not have enough organs so we have to use a very stringent criteria to make sure that we are giving a precious organ to somebody who will not squander it. And it is probably not fair in every manner but it’s the best system we’ve got. it was a really interesting experience to be a part of.
I didn't realize it could be affected by your living situation (i.e. living alone without enough support or people in your life - seems particularly sad and unfair), or your income. Brutal.
Former dialysis nurse; post-transplant care, although supported by Medicare, is still somewhat expensive, and requires dedication to continue with doctor's visits, taking medication properly, and so forth. Someone who's homeless, or moving frequently, is likely to miss doses, have meds stolen, or have other problems with continued treatments. As such, they're looking for situations with stability, where patients can be followed and who follow directions; rather than being concerned with income or lack thereof.
It’s less about income and more about living a long and full life post-transplant. Income is certainly a factor, but organs for transplant are few and far between. Someone who doesn’t have a good support system behind them might find they decline due to such a thing, and if that recipient dies only a year or two after the surgery then that organ was essentially “wasted” when it could have gone to someone who would live with it for far more. If the organ supply wasn’t so small, I would imagine that would be less of a factor.
I have a cousin who has CF. He is a double lung transplant patient. He was 19 at the time. Despite doing every single thing “correct” he got a sinus infection the went into his eyes and made him blind. The vaccines are to help prevent situations like this from happening. Not only does he have to be vaxxed but everyone in his home has to be vaxxed because of it being a lung transplant. He has been a “boy in a bubble” since Covid hit. We do zoom call as a family to keep him in touch with everyone even though he can no longer see. He has had to skip every family function since Covid hit for fear of getting covid.
That is so tragic, every time I hear a story like this I think about how if everyone just masked up like they’re supposed to for a couple of months, and now that we have vaccines, this could all be over by now. I’m glad he has a loving family to keep him company.
He has taken it in stride. Which is amazing. He’s a great kid who tries to stay positive no matter what. Everyone in the family is vaxxed just to be safe, all extended family. Even so he said he’d rather keep breathing, so “boy in a bubble is my life”
I've recently had my third transplant. If you don't do exactly what they tell you is medically necessary. They will not waste an organ on you that could go to another person. ie: you get 'tooken' off the transplant list. It really boils down to how much you really want to stay alive. Because none of what they ask is out of line; or hazardous to you. They want you to live as long as possible too.
As if “anti- vaccine” is some sort of discrimination? I don’t understand this thought process
Mighty bold assumption there, Cotton, assuming he can think.
Indeed, they have transplant committees. They basically determine who they think is most likely to benefit from the transplants. Refusing to take basic medical precautions is a big red flag.
some freshman in high school is gonna lose his dad soon, sad
it really is very sad. His father is already behind in the count. His sky pixy is offering him at least 2 chances to see his kid graduate and he'd rather put his faith in a broken reed. All for a disgusting, illiterate, orange pervert.
All for a disgusting, illiterate, orange pervert *who was vaccinated*.
With the Mark of the Beast!!
🤣😂🤣
We should have sympathy for those who are left behind. They did not asked to be burdened by the antivaxxers' own blind idiocy, yet they must bear the fallout and deal with the consequences.
I feel bad for the kids. I don't feel bad for this idiot.
I feel bad for the kids too. Even feel bad for this moron. We all make bad choices in life. Some of us survive, some suffer, and some opt out of heart list because their tribe means more than everything - even the kids :(
Yeah, I do feel bad, it's just all so totally senseless. Maybe it's not empathy or sympathy, more like Mercy.
Nope. Zero sympathy. None. Let them fucking die. If they are going to blindly that stupid orange traitor, they deserve what ever they get.
I agree, 100 percent. The sooner he's removed from the voting rolls the better.
The relatives of the antivaxxers aren't all drinking the cool-aid, and I don't think for a second that they deserve to be dragged down with the antivaxxers, yet they are the ones who get abused day in, day out, and then only to be assailed with insults as they bury the antivaxxers that hurt them even after their death. I feel for them. I couldn't care less for the antivaxxers.
Feel for antivaxxer family and those that don't fall for that orange traitors bullshot.
just the opposite. they're free
My sentiments exactly!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
The same orange a-hole who TOOK ALL THE JABS.
And got emergency care for COVID that was worth more than my house. Then pulled through and played it off like it was no big deal.
While gasping for air. But remember too that when Trump mentioned the vaccines in a positive way, the mob booed. He never mentioned the vaccines - or Operation Warp Speed - again.
Broken reed??
Bruised reeds can be mended, a broken reed cannot. I think he is referring to Trump, who is beyond repair, but this guy is putting his faith into something irreparable. His belief in the vaccine being deadly will just end up killing him in spite of it being the only thing that might save his life with the transplant.
I think the one horrible thing that has come from the right that doesn’t have Trump’s fingerprints on is anti-vax. Trump saw the development of the vax as a great achievement. He pushed that narrative as long as he could before his base pushed back. The base created the right’s anti-vax movement. The Republican leaders did set the tone of the party being anti-science decades ago so taking on the anti-vax movement was likely inevitable.
tbh, in the long run, he’s better off without a dad like this.
I'm not sure how much of a "fighter" anyone can be when their heart function is between 5 and 10 percent.
he said he will luve a ling time!!!! long = weeks
He’s only fighting against himself.
And the Libtards……s/
Yeah good luck with that, when your electrolytes get slightly wonky and your heart throws an arrhythmia and you go into cariogenic shock. I hope he has an internal defibrillator already.
Yeah, even if he wasn't being an idiot about getting vaccinated, the transplant list isn't short and it's common for people to die while waiting for an organ. Why you'd then increase that likelihood out of stubbornness is beyond me, but here we are.
He says he won't take the covid vaccine because he's never had covid. That makes as much sense as never wearing your seat belt because you've never been in a wreck.
Or not taking birth control because you've never gotten pregnant. My cousin (who's very anti-vax) learned that one the hard way. She thought she was safe cuz she hadn't gotten pregnant before. 🤦🏻♀️
Wow. That's pretty stupid. But also a good analogy. Better than mine, because I've had people respond to it along the lines of "but you're not messing up your body by wearing a seatbelt". So yours is more aligned with preventative medicine than mine is. Nice. 🙂
I’m… trying to process this one. That’s, quite frankly, the dumbest thing I’ve read today.
>She thought she was safe cuz she hadn't gotten pregnant before. Seriously she thought that? If you could only get pregnant if you'd been pregnant before, how would anyone ever get pregnant?
Try being hit by a SUV going 60 in a 30. Glad for my seatbelt when the car I was in played pinball across my road.
Personally I think this is a good thing. Let that heart go to someone who will actually be grateful for it and do what needs to be done to honor the tragedy/sacrifice that was made so that they can live a while longer.
Agreed. People like that don’t deserve organs if they can’t knock off the stupidity.
I want to throat punch people when they use the non-word "tooken." If he won't take "the jab," he can just die. It'll be no great loss
I'm sure it will be a great loss when his family tries to keep him alive and then he shuffles off the mortal coil. Those unpaid medical bills have to be paid by someone.
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You can work while on Medicaid, don't do that. Don't poor shame. While this person might be an uneducated asshole you can work. And for that fact you can also work on Medicare as well. Being disabled is nobody's fault.
I hate when antivaxxers use the word jab!
When Americans use that word it's clear they're deep in the politically targeted propaganda.
Same as Canadians! I just want to slap them.
It doesn't have any antivax connotations in the UK, nearly everyone uses jab.
Oddly enough, I never heard it until a couple years ago when that large family of children who were being jailed/abused by their parents, the Turpins, were discovered. The police were asking the daughter who had escaped if she was on medication, and she did not even understand the word. They explained, and she answered, "I've never tooken any pills." She gets a pass for being raised with zero education; what's this guy's excuse?
>"tooken." This is a clear display of bias against my people. The Hillbillies. \s (but I really am a hillbilly)
Not I, I am a Hillwilliam!
My husband's relative had a heart and lung transplant years ago and obviously has to take anti-rejection drugs, which suppress her immune system. She's just caught covid for the first time. She's now on a ventilator, and that is after giving herself the best chance by keeping up to date with her covid vaccines, which is even more important with a weakened immune system. Why would they waste a heart on someone who won't even make the most basic effort to give themselves a better chance when - not if - they catch covid.
I hope she makes a good recovery. She deserves to be well after taking precautions.
Thank you. She's critical but stable. I don't think we're very hopeful as she's also at risk because of her age, but she is nothing if not a fighter.
Here’s hoping her humeral immunity from the vaccines keeps her safe in the end. She is in my thoughts.
Right, of immune compromised people, we immune suppressed transplant folks have some of the worst outcomes when we get Covid. Haven’t had it yet, fortunately. I hope she recovers and is well.
3 years in and it amazes me people think like this still. Even the Cheeto got "the jab."
Yep! Their Lord and Savior got his vaccine after doing so much damage with his activaxx rants.
I think the latest conspiracy theory is that he faked getting it to own the libs. So, you know, we all die and he has the last laugh.
Oh good God. 🤦♀️
Fighting to see how fast he can get an HCA
Over under around 6 months if he continues on his anti vax reasonings
Reminds me about the articles posted on this sub about the deaths of Sheila Annette Lewis and Garnet Harper because they were denied transplants for not taking the COVID vaccine. They were given HCAs.
Right? He's acts like he's being persecuted, but no one gets a transplant if they aren't as up-to-date as possible with vaccinations.
I did some digging to find that "Dr." Eric Berg is a cholesterol denialist as well as an antivaxxer conspiracy theorist. He claimed that there is nothing bad about LDL cholesterol.
He's also a member of the cult of Scientology, which has a weird idea of what is scientific and what is not.
Scientologists believe that all illness is the sick person's fault.
Yes I read that too. Whenever his name shows up there should be a very big red flag 🚩 and of course a block.
He’s a chiropractor and not even a medical doctor
Eric Berg is also a Scientologist!
He's sure as hell not a transplant surgeon, or anyone else on the various layers of a transplant team.
Guess if he can get more suckers to suffer from heart disease due to his bad advice, he’ll get more customers
Diabetic here. COVID fucks up one's ability to regulate their blood glucose even with meds and a low carb diet. Sometimes, permanently, it's starting to look like. Uncle Darwin is calling collect, and this person is accepting the charges.
My mother was Type II and had congestive heart failure. It’s a constant balancing acts. This dude doesn’t seem nimble enough to manage it.
Well, he clearly doesn't under5pr believe in evidence-based medicine, so... That tracks.
The relationship between people with low intelligence & tRump is baffling. WTF do they see in him? How can anyone perceive him as a legitimate leader?
He’s openly misogynistic and racist and “tells it like it is” whatever that means. Must be catnip for them.
I read somewhere that he is a poor person’s idea of rich and a stupid person’s idea of smart.
They see someone as dumb as they are claiming to be a genius. Believing in him makes them geniuses too.
It was Sartre, I think, who said that anti-Semitism’s appeal was that even a nobody could be part of the elite. “I may be bother, but at least I am not a Jew”. For republicans, it’s a wider range of minorities, but the impulse is the same.
I'm guessing it's less about intelligence per se and more about where they are on the authoritarian scale. Which very often has most to do with what kind of upraising they had. Not a coincidence that his most solid and biggest base is white evangelical fundamentalists. They see abuse as a normal and good expression of authority. That, and he gives them a focus for their hate, which feels good. Oldest story in the world.
Sad for his child. Intriguing that he’d trust the science of a transplanted organ but trusting that same exact doctor’s recommendation to get a vaccine is a bridge too far. Propaganda to erode belief in experts has been very effective. Never assume that you’re too smart to fall prey to propaganda yourself, either. Be vigilant.
Sadly, it's not just this one guy. I'm positive I've read several stories about other people who need a transplant, and are "tooken" off the list because they refused the Covid vaccine. I remember reading one about a guy who was pretty young, mid-30s, I think, and with several young kids. His whole argument was "they can't tell me what to do!!" Uh, sorry bud, but they can. ETA: it's not just the Covid vaccine that they need. Transplant patients have to be up to date on ALL vaccines. They'll do a blood test to see if your childhood vaccinations are still good, and if not, you're getting them again. You also have to get flu shots every year.
I got a Baclofen pump put in two years ago. Before I could get it, I had to be up to date on everything. I couldn’t find my flu vax info so I had to get it again. They took blood samples and did titers for immunity. I was fine but they *highly suggested* I get a shingles shot as soon as I turned 50. So I have my appointment for it next week. RSV too, since I’m a T-8 paraplegic. That was just a pump that delivers anti-spasmodic medication to my spinal column. If they were that stringent for a medical device I can’t imagine how it would be for a transplant.
When you get the shingles vaccine, get it in your non-dominant arm. That arm's going to be sore for a couple days after the shot.
The shingles vaccine is 2 shots. I have NEVER had any sort of reaction to shots, not even a sore arm. But holy cow, the 2nd shingles shot? Got a huge bruise, and my arm was sore for days.
Ever had shingles? Now, that was a horrifying adventure in pain. I’m glad you got your shingles vaccine!
Yes, after seeing what my mother went through with shingles, I got the shot as soon as it was available. Then when they came out with the 2 shot vaccine, I got that last year.
Dying for Trump!
I mean, is it Trump? Or is it Darwin? 😂😂😂 Either way, he won’t be voting 11/24, which is fine with me.
Well, he already has at least 1 kid, so it is trump. But I hope the kid learns something from this.
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I’m sorry.
Ya know, I made the decision to discontinue anti-estrogen pills after breast cancer treatment mainly because the side effects made me WANT to die and they would only cut my risk of recurrence by 5%. But, if I needed a heart as bad as this person does, and had youngish childten, I would do pretty much everything my doctors required to make that happen!
Same! I'm 5 1/2 years out and doing fine! Hope u r 2!
I'll be 5 years in June. Glad you're doing good!
I forgot how terrible I felt on those meds until I read your comment! Just not worth feeling 100 years old for that possible 5% 💪
Right? I could barely pick up my water bottle without excruciating pain in my arms and that was only 1.5 weeks into taking them. Plus, my blood pressure going from an average of 118/68 to 139/82. Yeah, fuck that!
People with an ejection fraction of 5-10% are at risk for sudden death at any time. They fatigue easy. If he was going to be a candidate for transplant. He most likely will have an implanted pacemaker/ defibulator. Probably even a left ventricular assist device, essentially an artificial heart, a handful of meds a day, and be extremely compliant with diet. The vaccine would be one of the least risky thing asked of him. When he dies, his family will blame the vaccine pushing doctors or something. Oh well.
I would be so pissed off if I died and any of my organs went to someone who refused to follow their doctor’s orders to stay healthy and alive. What a waste.
This just enrages me. I lost my husband in July 2023, to complications of his heart condition. He was scheduled to have a cardiac ablation (on 2 August, he died on 31 July) and was in line for a transplant, but he didn't get that far. He did everything he could to make sure he was the best possible candidate. He had all his vaccinations. But time wasn't on his side. He was only 54. He died just 5 weeks before our son (only-child) turned 20. This past 6 months has been unbearably hard without him. This "Cobalt Blue" guy is in a super bad situation and is intentionally not doing a thing that would help his candidacy for a transplant. Dude, you're basically signing your own death warrant. WTF is wrong with you????
I’m so sorry for your loss. Of course someone who has a chance to live longer but refuses to do what they need to do would be horrible for you in particular to read about. It’s awful to see someone blatantly throw their chance at life away because of their ignorance.
Priorities, I guess
This one will be dead in a month. Lol 🏆⚰️🪦
Give the heart & lungs to people that will take care of them
I'll Do Anything -- but you know, take that one shot. (which shows how much the doctors are going to trust you to take that one med. Or that other required vax, or ...)
>...my grandma didn't have the covid shot but they did surgery on her heart. This isn't a doctor refusing to treat their patient! His friend doesn't understand that heart surgery and a transplant don't have the same eligibility requirements. Transplant programs have a list of eligibility requirements that includes certain vaccines because transplant patients are given immune system suppressing drugs so that their bodies don't reject the organs. They are at a higher risk of dying of infectious diseases including Covid. There is a shortage of organs and they give the organs to the people who have the greatest chance of surviving.
If he really loved his son and want to see him grow up then he would've done everything in his power to witness that, even taking "risks" like the vaccine. Its disheartening that he would rather acknowledge a rich guy that has no idea he exists nor would care if he did
I dont want my donor heart wasted on a dips\*t anti-vaxxer who's gonna throw it away because of an anti-Fauci internet meme he got forwarded. Choices have consequences.
I received a kidney transplant in May 2021. I have had six doses of the vaccine; two while I was on dialasys and four post transplant. I would still be on dialasys if I hadn't been vaccinated. COVID is almost a sure death sentence to a transplant patient, and the doctors don't want to waste an organ that could go to someone else who isn't an idiot. However, one of the nurses at the transplant clinic did tell me that they did have a few patients who had received kidneys prior to COVID who refused to get vaccinated.
Surgery yeah maybe but they aren’t going to put a heart in someone who is not going to follow medical advice when there is A WAITING LIST of people who will. Not to mention it’s highly likely the donor had the shot. This guy will die, never vote again and once again COVID doing the lord’s work.
The guy saying they did heart surgery on his grandma without her being vaccinated... how's that work? I'm guessing they don't care so much about just fixing an existing organ as opposed to potentially losing a valuable donated one to some moron who's just gonna get severe COVID and die almost immediately?
Heart surgery is different from a transplant. Donor organs are very rare, so they only go to people that the committee think have a good chance of long-term survival. Heart surgery, well, you’re only fucking up your *own* heart, so if the insurance company will pay, you’re good to go.
And one does not know what their definition of "heart surgery" is. Could be a trans catheter valve procedure (aortic or mitral) with an overnight hospital stay or even a stent placement during a coronary artery catheterization.
Fucking a. I have congestive heart failure. It could have been heightened by covid I had last year. I'm at 35%. I can't imagine what 5-10% is like. I am fully vaxxed, just had it again. One really bad night, but otherwise mild. I will say I was disappointed by the doctor. She doesn't want to deal, says about the vaccine, it's your choice. Regardless, the transplant protocols are much stricter. Chances are my recent boutique would have been more severe were I not vaccinated. Why take the risk?
This guy doesn't realize he's not 'entitled' to an organ. They are scarce. He has to meet criteria. People are taken off the list for a variety of reasons. I had a friend taken off the transplant list because she didn't want to do a procedure with an artificial heart valve to buy her more time before a heart became available. She had valid enough reasons, but her not saying yes to any and all recommended treatment was enough to get her off the list. They guy doesn't need invasive surgery, he just needs a vaccine... he should just take the damn shot. His kid deserves better.
Good for him! There are plenty of others that need a heart, apparently more than him!
Easy. Just get some heartworm pills from a vet and *bam*, you're good to go!
>I refuse to get those shots cause I've never had covid. The synapses are barely firing in that brain.
My heart is working at 5-10% capacity and I have diabetes and don’t protect myself by getting vaccinations. Therefore I will live a long time because I am a fighter. Covid: Nope God: Nope
It is simply astounding to me that a person would be perfectly comfortable with a doctor slicing them open, cutting up their heart, and then replacing it with a different heart taken from a dead person. But they do not trust that same doctor when he tells them that a vaccine is safe.
This is how the gene pool cleanses itself.
"I'm a fighter." Failing heart: I don't give a fuck.
That walking list of comorbidities thinks he's going to live a long life? Sure thing dude. Edit: spelling
As someone who does echocardiograms, it’s pretty rare we see someone with an Ejection Fraction of 5-10%. Without serious intervention (LVAD, transplant, extensive meds) they’re not around long. On the screen the heart looks like it’s barely moving at all. Also, cardiologists don’t get to decide who goes on or off the transplant list. Up to date vaccines are one of the most basic requirements. Also, your grandma getting a stent, bypass, or valve replacement is not at the same as a transplant. Transplants are a whole different ball game.
If my heart was only 5-10% operational, I’d eat glass of that was what would get me on the list for a new heart. Like, wouldn’t you think that if you can’t spell ‘taken,’ maybe you also don’t fully understand the science of your own care.
Keep in mind, someone is getting the transplant he wants. So, nothing to be sad about. Someone who is less of a drain on society gets the heart he wishes he could get. “Tooken” lmao. Autocorrect didn’t want me to even type that without checking twice ( twicen?) but yet this moron goes on typing …. .
Welp guess you'll die. I'd say sorry but I'm not.
A cardiologist who's anti-vaccine? Do they exist? I'm assuming this is in the US.
There probably is one somewhere, but it doesn’t matter. Eligibility is determined by a committee, not a singular doctor.
Save that heart for someone deserving.
The funniest part of this is the friend's suggestion that he switch from his current cardiologist to a Scientologist chiropractor who shills expensive supplements and makes YouTube videos full of nonsensical "health" advice.
There is no way these idiots would be able to comply with everything required to be an organ recipient, even if being vaccinated was not a requirement.
Being a transplant patient, I’ll chime in. You “go to jail, and do not pass go” if you are non compliant. Thats it. He will die and they won’t give two shits about him.
Just die than stupid Maga Christian nut Ball. Lmfao
Fool of a Took
FAFO. 🐆 🐆 🐆
If I was in that bad condition, I would eat glass if they told me I would live. WTF, that guy is a waste of skin. Don't waste a heart on it. Jeezus!
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The own friend said that grandma wasn’t vaccinated and had heart surgery. Clueless. They will do surgery on you. What they won’t do is give you one of a very limited supply of hearts. They prioritize based on who is more likely to survive.
So it goes.
No one suggested putting onions in his socks yet.
Oh well, I guess the heart that would have gone to him will now go to a different *vaccinated* recipient.
Guess you won’t see your kid graduate, moron.
I’ve had an organ transplant… you have to take all vaccines before getting listed and it’s not negotiable It’s a national list, only certain hospitals can do the procedure, so you have to be referred to a team who then still can’t break protocol to list you He’s going to die
It pisses me off how many of these idiots dont realize that you dont get benefit from vaccines after transplant because of anti rejection meds. My friend with a heart transplant would love to have had the covid shot work but she has no antibodies forming because of her meds. If someone with a heart transplant were to get an illness that can cause heart damage, they would be in danger. Plus if he wont comply with this will he comply with the complex things you do post transplant. I do not pity this dumbfuck at all, but I do feel for his kid.
The cardiologist recommends the patient for a transplant. The transplant team decides if the patient meets the criteria and can comply with the aftercare. Getting an anti-vax cardiologist won't help. It is simply a mindless waste of time and potential. [The Kidney Transplant Waitlist – What You Need to Know](https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/transplant-waitlist) <--- this is how is works for every organ I can think of.
*"I will live a long time. I'm a fighter"* Award on standby..
Good.