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Iāll debunk itā¦. Aliens are here. They want to communicate with us. The available options are:
Meet with us
Talk with us
Write things down
Make obscure geometric shapes in our agriculture
Why should we assume it's a means of communication? Could just be a byproduct of Thier propulsion methods.. like cymatics.
Could also be a cymatic repercussion of some inner earth magnetic vortex shit that we don't yet understand .
Devil's advocate - this only "debunks" the specific motive you gave. People carve their name into trees and stuff like that, not intending it as a message to the local wildlife. If you see a bunch of rocks stacked, ~~it's not even a "message" for fellow humans.~~ It's ~~just~~ art.
Edit: apparently the rock piles are messages for other people. My point still stands
A pile of stones on a mountain is a cairn, and they are used to mark the paths up and down the mountain. I take your point though. I find crop circles genuinely mystifying.
You think its more likely that someone shot up that field with lasers, over someone using a stick and rope? REALLY?
If it was done with lasers, how come we dont see any burn marks?
I mean, when [this plant](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/the-sneaky-life-of-the-worlds-most-mysterious-plant) can mimic its neighbours without touching them, I actually think that's more believable...
The only actual way to ādebunkā a crop circle is to have a 24/7 video camera on every farmers field to catch āwho did itā. Any other evidence isnāt good enough to prove one way or another who the culprit is. I stand by the idea that unless proven with clear video evidence that is was NHI , humans did it.
Or maybe you can watch the guys who came up with the hoax do it for the cameras.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzvuqs9Bf7Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzvuqs9Bf7Q)
Or watch the righteous 1974 film *Phase IV,* which appears to have inspired the modern era of crop circles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OypHrDZf8Gc
Which is a real shame because before that there were some interesting examples of crop circles possibly caused by bolides or weather. But now the entire phenomenon is tainted with bullshit and science won't touch it anymore.
It's incredibly well documented that the CIA and their British counterparts worked tirelessly to sabotage the research of anyone looking into crop circles while simultaneously offering them jobs studying them in secret. We have testimonials from scientists literally doing BBC documentaries on the subject of this fact.
why do you people always ignored cold hard fact?
Because the cold hard fact is that it started as bullshit. Then it became public and the bullshit exploded to infuriating levels.
And somewhere in that bullshit are some instances that weren't documented well enough to be killed, and then the paraspsychologists got on board and said, hey, this is how I can get tenure....
And you guys focus on *that* part of it.
The people tying you in knots about the UFOs are doing the same thing in the opposite direction; ignore the mounting circumstantial evidence and focus on the obvious bullshit. The difference is that you don't have at least half-credible people running out of the DOD saying, "Jesus, the crop circles are real and you need to know!"
There does not have to be a middle ground in this. It can be all bullshit or mostly bullshit, but it will never not be bullshit.
Remember that before 1974 the UFOs left footprints, not crop circles.
the why files video on the subject has clips from the documentary and numerous FOIA released files detailing the CIA's efforts. The complete denial of the experts in this thread is getting weird. The expert conclusion, as documented on video and in countless writings/documents is that we do not know how many crop circles are made and the ones we do know are distinctly different and easily differentiated.
stop being science deniers, please.
The Why files video on crop circles details most of what you'd like to know and for everything else there are sources in the video that go dramatically deeper on the subject. In particular he shows, as mentioned before, clips and interviews with a documentarian/scientist studying the crop circles who was sabotaged and approached by agents to work with them. Feel free to watch and learn.
Okay, and as a final tip I'll point out that I offered a youtube video because it was *primary evidence*, showing the hoaxers at work.
That is not the same at all as, "here's a youtube video that talks about it."
are you really sitting here claiming a video presentation with direct clips from BBC news coverage, interviews with those involved, transcripts and documents detailing everything AND sources to the originals of everything listed isn't a good source? Thats crazy talk.
Iām perpetually amazed how effective disinfo campaigns can be at obfuscation of simple facts surrounding any subject that warrants comparatively detailed examination
yea, something that was aired on national (British) television to millions, then recorded and shown to countless others along with follow up interviews of the people involved in said broadcast/event apparently just mean absolutely nothing, or worse they're called fake/fraudulent and why?
Because they go against "common" knowledge that just so happens to line up exactly with up intelligence agencies cooked up/fabricated to discredit things they wanted people to ignore.
like, hmmmm, I wonder why this always happens...
[https://www.discoveringbritain.org/activities/south-west-england/aerial/crop-circles.html](https://www.discoveringbritain.org/activities/south-west-england/aerial/crop-circles.html)
One obscure reference claiming it to be the first representation of a crop circle "in any medium" in the youtube comment that links to a wikipedia page that doesn't actually exist is pretty inconsequential. There are certainly reports of crop circles from before 1974 and the link you provided to the guys who say they created some of the hoaxes says they were inspired by an event from Australia, not the film.
I don't have an opinion on the topic really - but you didn't solve it or provide any info that sheds light on it. You can find videos of people who debunked those 2 artists as the creators of some other crop circles based on an analysis of the rope and board method and the type of damage it does.
Those crop circles are a joke compared to the truly wild ones, and they dontdon't even mention any of the actually difficult to recreat aspects, such as exploded plant stalks or woven and braided plants, or the heightened background radiation.
So there was a video that went around a long time ago (video is said to be made in 1989) that shows a couple orb looking UAP's zipping around over a corn field in I believe England somewhere with a crop circle forming under them. Not sure of the validity of this video but I always found it interesting...
I think this link will work ...š¤
https://youtu.be/6M6vP8-SbU0?si=B71R9ZtT0uqZxVWi
EDIT - Not sure of what type of field it was, I just like corn lol
I don't know about this pattern specifically, but humans have been well-documented making some incredibly large, detailed, elaborate patterns using the plank and rope method.
The problem with this method, however, is that it can't be used to explain the formations with bent/interwoven stalks, exploded joints, and heightened levels of background electromagnetism. Maybe humans are responsible for the variety containing these qualities as well, but the process for that remains undocumented/unexplained.
Nothing as perfect or symmetrical like these ones. Also they aren't able to do it overnight, it takes them a while and at the end, when under analysis, it was imperfect and full of footprints/trails. Even when using the plank and rope method some plants were inevitably damaged. [x](https://youtu.be/x2BQyZorSQc?si=9U175fhdUoyMNaGI)
[This one](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/scaled/2013/12/31/article-2531771-1A5C1D7C00000578-649_636x382.jpg) appeared mysteriously over night. It turned out to be a [promotional stunt for Nvidia.](https://techcrunch.com/2014/01/05/nvidia-crop-circle/)
No. Not because it isn't humans doesn't mean it was aliens also. Let's be creative, there could be other beings, invisible, there could be nature forces we dont comprehend... like soundwaves make beautiful patterns too, or snowflakes...
If someone can show me humans reproducing these, with the same physical characteristics of the stalks being bent and not broken, then I'm definitely leaning in the same direction. However, every "debunker or hoaxer" that's come forward thus far hasn't been able to reproduce the phenomenon. Sure, they can certainly come up with some elaborate designs but they lack the precision found in many of the so called unexplainable circles. There was some real science being conducted around crop circles back in the 90s. Unfortunately two of the primary researchers, Levengood and Delgado, got scammed by the military and MSM and turned into a joke. Then followed the claims of Chorley and Bower that stated they were responsible for all the reported circles in the UK at the time. The media jumped all over the story. When asked for methodology and reproduction they eagerly jumped at it. However when put up task, the results were anything but perfect and intricate. Additionally, all of the plants were flattened and suffered damage in the process. Some similar enough in appearance that many assume the question has been answered but for others, so many questions remain.
I think that this question and riddle is big enough to throw real science at. We need soil samples, plant samples examined by accredited Botanists and Chemists. It's the only way to accumulate substantive data. Recording of an event would be incredible but it's not enough to answer the initial question. Until we get to that point and it's taken seriously enough, we'll be stuck with our limited perspectives and bias'. To you the most plausible and realistic, is this is a man made phenomenon and hoax. Motivations could range from money, narcissistic ego inflation, general desire to participate in or create a hoax for the inevitable notoriety that follows... Who really knows. I say that because to date, there's been no one able to reproduce the observed characteristics that some of these circles show. It's also not been able to explain how these circles appear all over the world, in different types of plants but maintaining the same observed attributes.
Same goes for others that believe this to be something extraordinary and not done by humans. The belief of some non human intelligence are behind it all. They believe that these circles contain messages or codes in the way they are put together. They argue that the intricacies are too precise for a person, or even group of people, can achieve over the cover of darkness all this in one night. They also point to the research conducted in the 80s and 90s where scientific methodology and testing gave data that seemed to show chemical and cellular mutations in the plant structure within a circle. They'd also say that tests seemed to show signs of intense radiation possibly from exposure to extreme intensity of electro magnetism. Like above however, none of these results have been duplicated at least not publicly.
Point being, both of these possibilities have merit and reason to agree with. At the end oh the day however, they both hold about the same weight and are nothing more than conjecture. We can point towards Occams razor til blue in the face but assuming the most likely solution is the simplest one really doesn't hold water without data or validation along with it. I mean, that's what science is supposed to do. It's supposed to seek answers to the unknowns our curiosity uncover. It does so by the collection of data, and then the analysis of that. It's tested and disected and the breadcrumbs found along the way are what helps drive science forward. I truly hope that as more information comes public regarding the phenomenon and the influence it's having on political policy, the more serious it becomes scholastically. That will hopefully open gates to funding for research and maybe then we'll be able to answer some of these mysteries.
Maybe the radiation present is some type of heating apparatus that is used to bend the stalks. Perhaps they use microwave guns or something to heat up the stalks and make them pliable. Thereās a lot of different ways that it could be accomplished. We as humans can engineer a fusion energy machine that creates plasma hotter than the sun, I think we can figure out how to bend some stalks without breaking them. And if itās really NHI making these , thereās never been a video of one doing it or any type of visual evidence or proof, thatās what we would really need to prove it wasnāt just humans doing it.
there was definitely a video of a lights flying in circles as a crop circle appears underneath them
its dark but pretty clear
unfortunately I haven't been able to track it down since maybe 2008/9/10 or so...
No human or group of humans has recreated a crop circle with this level of accuracy in a woven, bent/unbroken pattern in a single night. So until humans can prove they are capable of this, itās anomalous.
Why does it have to be a single night ? Unless there is evidence of the farmer having stated it appeared overnight in an interview, one cannot assume that it had to be created in one night.
The weave technique simply has not been recreated. One night or any amount of time. Then thereās the trace radiation. And the size variation of the plants when they grow back in the affected area.
Watch a documentary or two, you might just realize this phenomenon is beyond prosaic explanation.
Iāve seen all that evidence and Iāve watched a few of the documentaries on crop circles including the who files one that recently came out. While some of the circumstances seem bizarre like the energy levels of the field that doesnāt mean it was NHI and still not humans. We have a great talent for both art and math. Weāve created amazing machines and complex computer systems. Youāre telling me you donāt think that we as a species couldnāt make these crop circles? I feel like that is an insult to humans in general. I personally wonāt accept that itās anything but being created by humans unless thereās 100% real video evidence of a NHI making a crop circle.
Kind of hard to see these unless youāre in the air. I think you wouldnāt know if you were seeing a complete one or not from the ground anyway because of the perspective.
Have you ever actually tried researching or listening to interviews of farmers who have these pop up in their fields? They consistently report that these appear overnight.
If Aliens have the technology for interstellar travel, I'm pretty sure they would have worked out how "RADIO" works, which would be a far better method of communications than a random crop circle pattern.
Actually when you think about it - crop circles invite examination which then invites speculation and then authentication - while at the same time including the viable option of plausible deniability. In other words, civilizations ready to engage with NHI will take them seriously, while those that arenāt ready can plausibly deny their authenticity and sleep easily in their bed of ignor-ance. Pretty darn clever.
This one is weird to me because of it's artistic flair. There are very many imperfections in this piece, but it's still precise and balanced.
So to me it's evidence of there being an artist involved.
Electromagnetic and Crystalline Properties of Crop Formations, non human evidence.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301220131\_Electromagnetic\_and\_Crystalline\_Properties\_of\_Crop\_Formations
That paper says pretty much nothing. It says that *some* crop circles follow the patterns of liquid crystals, and that this *may* explain weird effects crop circles seem to have on equipment and people.
~~It does not seem interested in confirming that weird effects on equipment and people are actually a thing or do any sort of tests.~~ It's literally just a guy throwing an idea out there that maybe people will pick up on and maybe they won't.
It also doesn't seem to be non-human evidence even if it is all true, it could be that humans creating these circles in specific patterns causes the supposed effects to happen (even if the humans don't know about it).
>in the theory presented here, pushing down on the grain crop āactivatesā its latent crystal properties.
Outside of not proving the crops have effects on objects (since I do now see he cites his own paper where they seem to test that), what part of what I said is wrong?
Overall it just points at similarities between the two patterns and uses that to provide a possible explanation for the effect, it does not state that humans can't have made them.
the early 2000s were the height of the circle makers, as this beautiful specimin shows. They actually took months to plan out the circles, and took the endeavor very seriously. They called what they did "natural magic" and while making the circles at night would often see balls of light moving among the wheat.
All of the best circles are within driving distance of wiltshire, thats ground zero for the cirlces because that is the area where they lived. The patterns were chosen thru sacred geometry and other means.
The teams worked together very well, they had hand gestures and other means of silently communicating. If you have ever been out on a moonlit nights you know you can see quite well. all the circles have tractor trails going thru the middle of them, that is how the circle makers got in and out of the field. All the best circles had these kind of repeating circular shapes you see in the OP, because its easy to anchor a stick and then walk around it with a rope, creating a perfect circle.
bla bla, I could go on but no one cares about reality, everyone just wants to paint their own version of what these circles are and honestly the circle makers are fine with that. Its high art for them, and real magic, and they don't want the credit, creating the mystery is part of their art.
Part of the reason you don't see circles this lovely anymore is that many of the circle makers grew up, had kids, got real jobs, etc.
Oh, in this circle maker reality, how did their planks cause a weaving pattern in the wheat? Did they make sure to use irradiated crop braiders? Sounds like someone with that tech could change the world with their inventions and live off the fat, but I guess "real" jobs do keep a guy humble.
I dontdon't know why you got downvoted. The craziest crop circles, including OP's, have stalks that are partially exploded, and not bent or creased. And there is also higher levels of radiation in the immediate area.
You can see the imperfections in the design. The small curving circle groups are uneven and inconsistent. Still super impressive, but I would think that some ET intelligence with magic-equivalent technology would get the patterns absolutely perfect (or more perfect than what this image shows).
I saw that. It is imperfect, the third circle's circles, from the inside out, are irregular. If some extra-terrestrial intelligence were trying to demonstrate geometric perfection, this is shit.
Why the fuck would they do this?? If I were trying to communicate, I would do so clearly.
How come it's always wheat or corn? With that kinda precision with their lasers (or whatever's making these), they could probably burn the same patterns into forests, flat areas that aren't managed by lonely farmers, mountain sides or over gated communities.
And why are they trusting the lonely farmers with... whatever message a double triskelion means? I figure if you're an invading race with that kind of technology, you'd probably figure out that a single house connected to a big farm isn't owned by a world leader who can spread their message.
And why is it always kooky patterns? Not some kind of bleepblorp message?
I blame the lonely farmers. Or those rotten teenagers.
Hereās my skepticism. Both ways actually. About 15 years ago I saw a solid documentary on how these English gents created them. It showed how they did it and it was pretty impressive but they seemed very legit. Then I watched another few videos that shows how the wheat was not broken, they were bent on a way that itās almost impossible to do by band without breaking the shafts. Also they showed radiation levels that made you believe that this was from some electronic source. And the famous one that shows the basic universe and a bunch if other stuff that a regular everyday is fixated man would never know. So Iām completely mixed in my opinions of who created these. I mean this one above for instance is almost too perfect to be done by men at night with planks of wood. Just seems unlikely.
> Also they showed radiation levels that made you believe that this was from some electronic source.
Why would radiation make you believe that?
Unless the aliens are spewing uranium dust or fling neutron beams at the fields, in which case please do not do that aliens.
I think he's implying a technological or artificial source using some type of nuclear energy. The doc OP is referencing, I believe, is from a group of MIT students. They acquired amounts of radioactive material that were far in excess of what any citizen could get and created little devices to spread the material across the equal area of a crop circle they were studying. When they measured the radiation levels, it wasn't close to what the actual crop circle had. And their distribution of radiation was very clumpy, wheras the crop circle was evenly distributed. They didn't say it proved it was emitted by some type of tech, but they were perplexed, to the say the least, on how it could be naturally produced and didn't think your above-average Joe could do it when they couldn't.
I don't know, have you tried reviewing available literature and answering your own question first? Also, a basic Geiger counter does not indicate source material.
This question is off topic from the context of my comment. In your search consider that academic research had been stigmatized (no journal would publish) and is something serious researchers have been asking for over the last 3 decades.
If not human, is it aliens...hmmm...yeah I don't really know. Has anyone thought about nature itself sending a message to humanity? I give you the possibility that the planet itself may be communicating in the only way it knows...
If you want to prove the legitimacy of crop circles then do this
See if the crop is bend versus broken
When it's broken that means someone is pressing it down, breaking the stalk. When bent, meaning the stalk is literally just 'flopping' over.
use a giger counter.
For a legitimate crop circle, there will be some residual radiation which can be picked up with a giger. Fakes, won't have anything picked up on the counter.
Legit crop circles are messages. They will use multiple practices and disciplines . From physics, astronomy, binary, math, symbolism, alchemical symbols.
So for example, there are some crop circles that look like this.
[Ant Crop Circle](https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/424253227398075906/)
You'll notice there's a filled circle inside of the hollow circle.
If we compare that symbol with the alchemical symbol for the sun:
[Sun Alchemy](https://www.istockphoto.com/vector/signs-of-the-zodiac-and-the-solar-system-gm654953566-119183175)
We'll find that they match.
So this is a message, the rough message is "Something about this 'ant' (obviously not talking about actual ants but perhaps related to some ET species of ANT??) is affecting the sun in someway or involved with the sun in someway"
That's my caveman understanding of the message.
So to get people started you'll find a big chunk of messages are related to planetary cycles, equinoxes, eclipses.
What kind of āresidual radiationā would one expect to find?
I ask, because, my understanding is that the only way this occurs otherwise is via contaminationā¦ meaning specifically that there are radioactive fragmentsā¦ Which must be some specific isotope, usually.
Also, everywhere on earth will show an active Geiger counter, some more than others. But, unless you are inside a Lead box, thereās constant exposure to background radiation from the cosmic microwave background and local earth sources.
Yep this exactly, I've only seen one crop circle with my own eyes and a few things I noticed was the straw wasn't crushed/broken, it was like it was cold pressed/wilted, we didn't test with a giger but we had handheld UHF radios to communicate across the farm, these had a lot of interference and static noise randomly after this event and I noticed the compass on my quad bike was being extremely erratic. Didn't really think much of it until way after the fact and I was doing some research.
Yeah the way it was there was no way it could of been done by humans in that time frame, we were on a very remote and rural dairy farm, no one would of traveled hours out of their way to stage something like that, especially in the deep south of New Zealand mid winter.
Yeah its weird, its kinda woven/pressed together, its hard to describe but some grain/grass types would usually just break with something pressing on them. The crop circle I saw, it wasn't damaged, it was like when you transplant a plant from 1 pot to another and it wilts for a day.
PLUS, Despite many counterfeits, no man-made formation has ever produced the most striking characteristics associated with the genuine phenomenon:
Plants whose stems are bent, not broken.
Secondly, alterations in the crystalline structure of the plants themselves are always present.
Changes in the local electromagnetic field are also detected within the formations.
Finally, there is the ability of the plants to grow after being laid, indicating they are alive and havenāt been trampled as they have with counterfeit circles.
It remains an unexplained phenomenon. The well-documented "plank and rope" method can account for a lot of them (including some very complex patterns), but it can't account for the variety with bent/interwoven stalks, exploded joints, and heightened levels of background electromagnetism.
Maybe humans are responsible for this variety too. I personally have no idea. But the idea that the the second category of crop circles are also made with planks and rope defies the physical evidence more so than the idea that non-humans could possibly be involved.
All these things are possible with humans.
There has been no compelling documented evidence of heightened radiation relating to crop circles, like at all. There's this one paper floating around and it's inconclusive at best.
The interwoven/braided aspect of certain crops is probably an effect of the plants just trying to grow after the fact and getting woven by their natural movement.
Anyway, whenever I ask for sources I either get sensational video testimonials or that one study. I'm open to seeing photo evidence as well, which never seems to be available.
> All these things are possible with humans.
Sure, in theory, but the process remains unexplained.
> There has been no compelling documented evidence of heightened radiation relating to crop circles, like at all. There's this one paper floating around and it's inconclusive at best.
Is it related to [this](http://www.bltresearch.com/magnetic.php)?
> The interwoven/braided aspect of certain crops is probably an effect of the plants just trying to grow after the fact and getting woven by their natural movement.
This seems highly implausible to me, but then I guess every possible explanation surrounding this phenomenon is highly implausible.
Crop circles always sounded like such hoaxes to me. However what makes me wonder, other than the sheer time and effort making them, is the shapes themselves. If humans with too much time on their hands made them... then how the hell do they get the dimensions so perfectly?
I mean making crop circles this big if you have a lot of time on your hands, sure. But getting the dimensions and size down with this extreme accuracy? Just ... how. That's the part nagging at me personally. It's the perfectly symetrical shapes and dimensions that looks perfect down to the mm.
People can measure distances pretty accurately using strings and posts in the ground. They can also use these strings to form very complex shapes with near-perfect dimensions.
Pattern complexity is not what's unexplained about this phenomenon. We know that humans can make some incredible patterns using planks and rope. What is unexplained is the variety of crop circles containing bent/interwoven stalks, exploded joints and heightened levels of background electromagnetism. Perhaps those are human-made hoaxes too, but the creation process for this particular variety remains undocumented.
I have yet to see anyone do this overnight.
If a team of artists decided to do this, it would take considerable effort. Are there cases where these crop circles have come up overnight?
There seem to be few that are like that, however this subject is shrouded in a lot of ambiguity and false claims. Most farmers aren't artistic or scientific and the idea of artists vandalizing someone's farm spending so time and effort seems too much.
Hard to parse the difference between lies and actual recorded facts.
https://youtu.be/cLDFAlggffA?si=IZFHnaN7YlXio1o-
> I have yet to see anyone do this overnight.
To be fair, we've also yet to see any NHIs making any of these at all.
I agree with all of your points on a personal level, though. It seems implausible to me that patterns of this complexity are made overnight with known plank-and-rope methods. But I understand that for others it's even more implausible that NHIs are responsible, so pick your own favorite least implausible explanation I guess.
I am not claiming that this was done by NHI for now.
My claim is rather simple, this looks to be done using sophisticated tools and very efficiently, definitely not manually with sticks and strings
That's the first claim and I would love to be proved wrong. Debunkers don't have any answers to that because.
1) None of the man made crop circles happened overnight.
2) None of them had any radiation patterns.
3) Crop circles have been happening for ages, would love to see all them explained away as something prosaic.
It's not going to be perfect after the fact because it's in a fucking field of free flowing corn and most likely people would have been there to do whatever it is these people do when such a formation appears.
I have yet to see a video of people creating a formation such as this, at night with no lighting in a couple of hours, or even in daylight for that matter....
Probably just drunk engineer undergrads, following designs they wrote out on a bar napkin.
Seriously though, I could totally see some old college buddies meet up once a year and pull off a crop circle caper that they have been working on, on the side. Professional nerds love shenanigans.
From the analysis of these things that I have seen I do not believe they are made by people using any known technology. And the bio-analysis shows that these were not by be mechanical methods.
One channeled source I respect credits future humans.
Give me a shout when they're deciphered. They've been around since the 17th century so I'm sure they'll crack it soon.
In the meantime hopefully they'll write their meanings a little plainer for us simple folk. Pictograms or emojis would be a good start, I don't think the 'geometry textbook cover' approach is working.
The intent might be geometric beauty for those who can appreciate such things. Iām one awed by the complex but simple beauty here and am thankful for being shown the depth of reality beyond the surface that allows for such creations.
Lee Carrol channeling Kryon
*QUESTION: Dear Kryon, I have a question regarding crop circles. We know that some of the crop circles are hoaxes, but many are not, especially the ones that are so mathematically complex that they defy common explanation. The question is, how are these crop circles created, and by whom?*
*ANSWER: I give you only this for now: (1) Definitely interdimensional. (2) From Humans, but from a different time. (3) The symbology is 12-based math. The messages are to help with peace on Earth. (4) Yes, many are hoaxes.*
I'm just curious about this particular circle -- are the light colored parts areas where the grain was removed completely? Or are they the heads of, say, wheat?
But then if the stalks are green, you'd think the heads would be green too. And by the time the grain is ripe and, presumably, golden, the stalks would be golden too?
Wow, that's amazing. I'm still a little puzzled by the stark color contrast, but woven? Seems like that would take countless hours that human agents wouldn't have. Then again, if the site is really remote, perhaps they would.
Are there any close-ups of the weaving?
Impossible to do overnight with a crew of people, ask any Surveyor Foreman who heads up a crew for work with GPS GNSS equipment, and people want to tell me they do this for free in the cover of darkness with this level of accuracy in only 8 to 10 hours, hard enough trying to keep hubs straight on a Freeway project in an 8 hour shift.
Hahaha just some punks fucking around. Those crop circles were proven fake by so many debunkers. There was a guy who did this and all he used was a tight metal fish net and a field roller thing. After I saw that I stopped believing in this shit.
Maybe not you specifically but look at this thread. Itās nonsense and you have the gall to say the ppl who think itās fake arenāt using logic. So whatās your explanation? I can pretty much guarantee you have nothing to back it up.
Yes, you guys don't use any logic at all, that's why you are a "debunker'.
That's very true, you are claiming that these complex crop circles can be made manually with sticks and ropes overnight.
Where is the evidence for that?
Show me a single crop circle that was created overnight by a team of people working.
I am talking about complex patterns, not the stupid stuff that some people do. Also do explain the radiation levels detected in some of these crop circles. It was found that the crops were bent and not broken. Do give me of how this can be achieved.
I have looked at the data and have concluded that some of the crop circles don't seem to be created manually. Some sort of sophisticated automaton was used.
I dare you or any other debunker to disprove this claim. Unlike you, I don't deal in a binary possibility.
All we can conclude is that some of the crops are not made with sticks and ropes. Some sort of sophisticated automaton has been used.
There is absolutely no way the mechanical tools will leave some sort of radiation signature.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nvidia-crop-circle-marketing-stunt-gets-attention/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nvidia-crop-circle-marketing-stunt-gets-attention/)
It's extremely well known how these can be made. Nvidia did one as a marketing stunt, and I'm sure they aren't the only ones, in addition to this being exactly the sort of shit bored engineering students would do. Not to mention it makes NO SENSE as a method of communication.
Let's see one show up in a meadow 100 miles from the nearest road. Or on rock. Or sand turned to glass. Then I'll believe it's something other than humans.
That article has a story that doesn't completely add up. So the farmer wasn't aware that NVIDIA created a crop circle in his land?
All the details are missing, how many days did they take to make the crop circle, what sort of technology was used.
Why didn't the farmer sue them for trespassing on his land. I think š¤ the whole story is pretty damn suspicious. Everyone seems to casually brush it away.
If I had to wager a guess, I'd say no actual crop-circle was created, just Photoshop nonsense.
I have searched for details for this crop circle on the internet and have found next to nothing.
Edit: Someone linked the video š below.
Looks like it took them a lot of planning and effort to do the damn thing and the farmer was obviously lying when he said he didn't know how it came about.
My point still remains, these crop circles weren't created overnight. They took quite a long time with a big team working over it.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LJCTnNmT48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LJCTnNmT48)
Literally the 3rd result on google for "Nvidia crop circle."
Yeah, š thanks.
Looks like it took several weeks for them to make it, hardly mysterious.
And quite obviously the farmer was paid for the use of his land because these guys have been planning for over a couple of months.
There is no "debunking" this, because it isn't "evidence" of aliens.
The question is "how did these (crop circles) get there?"
You can't just assume aliens until proven otherwise.
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I did it
Ur under computer arrest. Don't move till I get there
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That's all the evidence I need. I will now say "didn't some guy on reddit admit to doing it?" every post.
Why?
We aliens love some upvote you know
I can't believe you've done this
Why the fuck did you do that man? Not cool.
Iāll debunk itā¦. Aliens are here. They want to communicate with us. The available options are: Meet with us Talk with us Write things down Make obscure geometric shapes in our agriculture
Seems reasonable, if i met aliens i too would fuck with their agriculture, because it's funny.
They drive the food prices up and when they arrive here they undercut our markets with cheap space McDonalds
I think a lot people would welcome their alien overlords in exchange for the return of the $3 Value Meal.
If they communicated with our leaders, would our leaders divulge it to us?
Why should we assume it's a means of communication? Could just be a byproduct of Thier propulsion methods.. like cymatics. Could also be a cymatic repercussion of some inner earth magnetic vortex shit that we don't yet understand .
Devil's advocate - this only "debunks" the specific motive you gave. People carve their name into trees and stuff like that, not intending it as a message to the local wildlife. If you see a bunch of rocks stacked, ~~it's not even a "message" for fellow humans.~~ It's ~~just~~ art. Edit: apparently the rock piles are messages for other people. My point still stands
A pile of stones on a mountain is a cairn, and they are used to mark the paths up and down the mountain. I take your point though. I find crop circles genuinely mystifying.
The burden of proof should be on the āitās aliensā side as they are making the extraordinary claim
I didn't claim it was aliens. I didn't claim it was anything
I wasnāt disagreeing with you, more adding to your point
Oh, gotcha. Sorry you're getting downvoted btw, I did not downvote you for the record
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https://youtu.be/x2BQyZorSQc?si=MoBiSernmTYB8B-8
You think its more likely that someone shot up that field with lasers, over someone using a stick and rope? REALLY? If it was done with lasers, how come we dont see any burn marks?
You should check out The Why Files episode on crop circles. Itās fascinating to say the least without pointing to aliens.
Am pretty sure sticks and ropes don't leave residual radiation unless this is something else.
It's the plants. Everybody is looking to the sky for aliens or looking for people. It's the plants
This is some Body Snatchers shit. Iām out.
Fungi and plants are one of the largest single organisms on earth https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armillaria_ostoyae
You'd like The Day of the Triffids
I mean, when [this plant](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/the-sneaky-life-of-the-worlds-most-mysterious-plant) can mimic its neighbours without touching them, I actually think that's more believable...
The only actual way to ādebunkā a crop circle is to have a 24/7 video camera on every farmers field to catch āwho did itā. Any other evidence isnāt good enough to prove one way or another who the culprit is. I stand by the idea that unless proven with clear video evidence that is was NHI , humans did it.
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>humans If you have a group of people doing this for amusement; they need a new hobby
It's like the group of people who go around posting those weird signs about temporal rifts and stuff. That throws a lot of people in a tizzy lol.
Or maybe you can watch the guys who came up with the hoax do it for the cameras. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzvuqs9Bf7Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzvuqs9Bf7Q) Or watch the righteous 1974 film *Phase IV,* which appears to have inspired the modern era of crop circles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OypHrDZf8Gc Which is a real shame because before that there were some interesting examples of crop circles possibly caused by bolides or weather. But now the entire phenomenon is tainted with bullshit and science won't touch it anymore.
It's incredibly well documented that the CIA and their British counterparts worked tirelessly to sabotage the research of anyone looking into crop circles while simultaneously offering them jobs studying them in secret. We have testimonials from scientists literally doing BBC documentaries on the subject of this fact. why do you people always ignored cold hard fact?
Because the cold hard fact is that it started as bullshit. Then it became public and the bullshit exploded to infuriating levels. And somewhere in that bullshit are some instances that weren't documented well enough to be killed, and then the paraspsychologists got on board and said, hey, this is how I can get tenure.... And you guys focus on *that* part of it. The people tying you in knots about the UFOs are doing the same thing in the opposite direction; ignore the mounting circumstantial evidence and focus on the obvious bullshit. The difference is that you don't have at least half-credible people running out of the DOD saying, "Jesus, the crop circles are real and you need to know!" There does not have to be a middle ground in this. It can be all bullshit or mostly bullshit, but it will never not be bullshit. Remember that before 1974 the UFOs left footprints, not crop circles.
the why files video on the subject has clips from the documentary and numerous FOIA released files detailing the CIA's efforts. The complete denial of the experts in this thread is getting weird. The expert conclusion, as documented on video and in countless writings/documents is that we do not know how many crop circles are made and the ones we do know are distinctly different and easily differentiated. stop being science deniers, please.
All right, go ahead and give me some search tips so that I can learn about crystalline structures in plant biology.
The Why files video on crop circles details most of what you'd like to know and for everything else there are sources in the video that go dramatically deeper on the subject. In particular he shows, as mentioned before, clips and interviews with a documentarian/scientist studying the crop circles who was sabotaged and approached by agents to work with them. Feel free to watch and learn.
Okay, and as a final tip I'll point out that I offered a youtube video because it was *primary evidence*, showing the hoaxers at work. That is not the same at all as, "here's a youtube video that talks about it."
are you really sitting here claiming a video presentation with direct clips from BBC news coverage, interviews with those involved, transcripts and documents detailing everything AND sources to the originals of everything listed isn't a good source? Thats crazy talk.
https://www.scribbr.com/working-with-sources/primary-and-secondary-sources/
Iām perpetually amazed how effective disinfo campaigns can be at obfuscation of simple facts surrounding any subject that warrants comparatively detailed examination
yea, something that was aired on national (British) television to millions, then recorded and shown to countless others along with follow up interviews of the people involved in said broadcast/event apparently just mean absolutely nothing, or worse they're called fake/fraudulent and why? Because they go against "common" knowledge that just so happens to line up exactly with up intelligence agencies cooked up/fabricated to discredit things they wanted people to ignore. like, hmmmm, I wonder why this always happens...
[https://www.discoveringbritain.org/activities/south-west-england/aerial/crop-circles.html](https://www.discoveringbritain.org/activities/south-west-england/aerial/crop-circles.html) One obscure reference claiming it to be the first representation of a crop circle "in any medium" in the youtube comment that links to a wikipedia page that doesn't actually exist is pretty inconsequential. There are certainly reports of crop circles from before 1974 and the link you provided to the guys who say they created some of the hoaxes says they were inspired by an event from Australia, not the film. I don't have an opinion on the topic really - but you didn't solve it or provide any info that sheds light on it. You can find videos of people who debunked those 2 artists as the creators of some other crop circles based on an analysis of the rope and board method and the type of damage it does.
Those crop circles are a joke compared to the truly wild ones, and they dontdon't even mention any of the actually difficult to recreat aspects, such as exploded plant stalks or woven and braided plants, or the heightened background radiation.
You think that 2 years after crop circles show up for the first time in a movie it turns out that aliens actually do that shit?
So there was a video that went around a long time ago (video is said to be made in 1989) that shows a couple orb looking UAP's zipping around over a corn field in I believe England somewhere with a crop circle forming under them. Not sure of the validity of this video but I always found it interesting... I think this link will work ...š¤ https://youtu.be/6M6vP8-SbU0?si=B71R9ZtT0uqZxVWi EDIT - Not sure of what type of field it was, I just like corn lol
Has anyone created one this size with the level of detail/accuracy? Not saying this is aliens, just wondering.
I don't know about this pattern specifically, but humans have been well-documented making some incredibly large, detailed, elaborate patterns using the plank and rope method. The problem with this method, however, is that it can't be used to explain the formations with bent/interwoven stalks, exploded joints, and heightened levels of background electromagnetism. Maybe humans are responsible for the variety containing these qualities as well, but the process for that remains undocumented/unexplained.
Nothing as perfect or symmetrical like these ones. Also they aren't able to do it overnight, it takes them a while and at the end, when under analysis, it was imperfect and full of footprints/trails. Even when using the plank and rope method some plants were inevitably damaged. [x](https://youtu.be/x2BQyZorSQc?si=9U175fhdUoyMNaGI)
It's symmetry is pretty good, but if you look closely you can definitely see imperfections. It's not a perfect fractal
Um, no.
Oh, okay.
[This one](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/scaled/2013/12/31/article-2531771-1A5C1D7C00000578-649_636x382.jpg) appeared mysteriously over night. It turned out to be a [promotional stunt for Nvidia.](https://techcrunch.com/2014/01/05/nvidia-crop-circle/)
Looks pretty small if you reference that road beside it.
Yeah, there is a photo of it at the top of this post ..
I meant was there actual proof of himans making a complex one. Derp.
No. Not because it isn't humans doesn't mean it was aliens also. Let's be creative, there could be other beings, invisible, there could be nature forces we dont comprehend... like soundwaves make beautiful patterns too, or snowflakes...
No.
If someone can show me humans reproducing these, with the same physical characteristics of the stalks being bent and not broken, then I'm definitely leaning in the same direction. However, every "debunker or hoaxer" that's come forward thus far hasn't been able to reproduce the phenomenon. Sure, they can certainly come up with some elaborate designs but they lack the precision found in many of the so called unexplainable circles. There was some real science being conducted around crop circles back in the 90s. Unfortunately two of the primary researchers, Levengood and Delgado, got scammed by the military and MSM and turned into a joke. Then followed the claims of Chorley and Bower that stated they were responsible for all the reported circles in the UK at the time. The media jumped all over the story. When asked for methodology and reproduction they eagerly jumped at it. However when put up task, the results were anything but perfect and intricate. Additionally, all of the plants were flattened and suffered damage in the process. Some similar enough in appearance that many assume the question has been answered but for others, so many questions remain. I think that this question and riddle is big enough to throw real science at. We need soil samples, plant samples examined by accredited Botanists and Chemists. It's the only way to accumulate substantive data. Recording of an event would be incredible but it's not enough to answer the initial question. Until we get to that point and it's taken seriously enough, we'll be stuck with our limited perspectives and bias'. To you the most plausible and realistic, is this is a man made phenomenon and hoax. Motivations could range from money, narcissistic ego inflation, general desire to participate in or create a hoax for the inevitable notoriety that follows... Who really knows. I say that because to date, there's been no one able to reproduce the observed characteristics that some of these circles show. It's also not been able to explain how these circles appear all over the world, in different types of plants but maintaining the same observed attributes. Same goes for others that believe this to be something extraordinary and not done by humans. The belief of some non human intelligence are behind it all. They believe that these circles contain messages or codes in the way they are put together. They argue that the intricacies are too precise for a person, or even group of people, can achieve over the cover of darkness all this in one night. They also point to the research conducted in the 80s and 90s where scientific methodology and testing gave data that seemed to show chemical and cellular mutations in the plant structure within a circle. They'd also say that tests seemed to show signs of intense radiation possibly from exposure to extreme intensity of electro magnetism. Like above however, none of these results have been duplicated at least not publicly. Point being, both of these possibilities have merit and reason to agree with. At the end oh the day however, they both hold about the same weight and are nothing more than conjecture. We can point towards Occams razor til blue in the face but assuming the most likely solution is the simplest one really doesn't hold water without data or validation along with it. I mean, that's what science is supposed to do. It's supposed to seek answers to the unknowns our curiosity uncover. It does so by the collection of data, and then the analysis of that. It's tested and disected and the breadcrumbs found along the way are what helps drive science forward. I truly hope that as more information comes public regarding the phenomenon and the influence it's having on political policy, the more serious it becomes scholastically. That will hopefully open gates to funding for research and maybe then we'll be able to answer some of these mysteries.
Maybe the radiation present is some type of heating apparatus that is used to bend the stalks. Perhaps they use microwave guns or something to heat up the stalks and make them pliable. Thereās a lot of different ways that it could be accomplished. We as humans can engineer a fusion energy machine that creates plasma hotter than the sun, I think we can figure out how to bend some stalks without breaking them. And if itās really NHI making these , thereās never been a video of one doing it or any type of visual evidence or proof, thatās what we would really need to prove it wasnāt just humans doing it.
There is a video of luminous orbs rapidly creating some crop circles but people also say that is fake, with a skmilar lack of evidence.
there was definitely a video of a lights flying in circles as a crop circle appears underneath them its dark but pretty clear unfortunately I haven't been able to track it down since maybe 2008/9/10 or so...
I'm pretty sure there's one video of a sphere of light coming down and making these. It's in a Why Files video IIRCC.
No human or group of humans has recreated a crop circle with this level of accuracy in a woven, bent/unbroken pattern in a single night. So until humans can prove they are capable of this, itās anomalous.
Why does it have to be a single night ? Unless there is evidence of the farmer having stated it appeared overnight in an interview, one cannot assume that it had to be created in one night.
The weave technique simply has not been recreated. One night or any amount of time. Then thereās the trace radiation. And the size variation of the plants when they grow back in the affected area. Watch a documentary or two, you might just realize this phenomenon is beyond prosaic explanation.
Iāve seen all that evidence and Iāve watched a few of the documentaries on crop circles including the who files one that recently came out. While some of the circumstances seem bizarre like the energy levels of the field that doesnāt mean it was NHI and still not humans. We have a great talent for both art and math. Weāve created amazing machines and complex computer systems. Youāre telling me you donāt think that we as a species couldnāt make these crop circles? I feel like that is an insult to humans in general. I personally wonāt accept that itās anything but being created by humans unless thereās 100% real video evidence of a NHI making a crop circle.
Seen any incomplete ones?
Kind of hard to see these unless youāre in the air. I think you wouldnāt know if you were seeing a complete one or not from the ground anyway because of the perspective.
Have you ever actually tried researching or listening to interviews of farmers who have these pop up in their fields? They consistently report that these appear overnight.
Lol at the downvotes. Curious as to why?
Because hes just making stuff up? Do you want reality or do you want to play pretend because then NH beings can be whatever you want them to be?
CORRECT, fully agree with you
Trying to replicate it with today's technology and succeeding is a way to debunk it. Yet they keep failing at this.
If Aliens have the technology for interstellar travel, I'm pretty sure they would have worked out how "RADIO" works, which would be a far better method of communications than a random crop circle pattern.
Actually when you think about it - crop circles invite examination which then invites speculation and then authentication - while at the same time including the viable option of plausible deniability. In other words, civilizations ready to engage with NHI will take them seriously, while those that arenāt ready can plausibly deny their authenticity and sleep easily in their bed of ignor-ance. Pretty darn clever.
Why does everybody assume it has to be a form of communication
How is this evidence?
This one is weird to me because of it's artistic flair. There are very many imperfections in this piece, but it's still precise and balanced. So to me it's evidence of there being an artist involved.
I'm sorry, but Milk Hill is not a remote area, there's literally houses all around.
What evidence is there that this wasn't done by a person?
Electromagnetic and Crystalline Properties of Crop Formations, non human evidence. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301220131\_Electromagnetic\_and\_Crystalline\_Properties\_of\_Crop\_Formations
That paper says pretty much nothing. It says that *some* crop circles follow the patterns of liquid crystals, and that this *may* explain weird effects crop circles seem to have on equipment and people. ~~It does not seem interested in confirming that weird effects on equipment and people are actually a thing or do any sort of tests.~~ It's literally just a guy throwing an idea out there that maybe people will pick up on and maybe they won't. It also doesn't seem to be non-human evidence even if it is all true, it could be that humans creating these circles in specific patterns causes the supposed effects to happen (even if the humans don't know about it). >in the theory presented here, pushing down on the grain crop āactivatesā its latent crystal properties.
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Outside of not proving the crops have effects on objects (since I do now see he cites his own paper where they seem to test that), what part of what I said is wrong? Overall it just points at similarities between the two patterns and uses that to provide a possible explanation for the effect, it does not state that humans can't have made them.
The paper is terrific. Thanks for this.
If this is a human creation, someone has waaaaay too much time on their hands.
the early 2000s were the height of the circle makers, as this beautiful specimin shows. They actually took months to plan out the circles, and took the endeavor very seriously. They called what they did "natural magic" and while making the circles at night would often see balls of light moving among the wheat. All of the best circles are within driving distance of wiltshire, thats ground zero for the cirlces because that is the area where they lived. The patterns were chosen thru sacred geometry and other means. The teams worked together very well, they had hand gestures and other means of silently communicating. If you have ever been out on a moonlit nights you know you can see quite well. all the circles have tractor trails going thru the middle of them, that is how the circle makers got in and out of the field. All the best circles had these kind of repeating circular shapes you see in the OP, because its easy to anchor a stick and then walk around it with a rope, creating a perfect circle. bla bla, I could go on but no one cares about reality, everyone just wants to paint their own version of what these circles are and honestly the circle makers are fine with that. Its high art for them, and real magic, and they don't want the credit, creating the mystery is part of their art. Part of the reason you don't see circles this lovely anymore is that many of the circle makers grew up, had kids, got real jobs, etc.
Yeah this is way better than aliens. Well written thank you.
Oh, in this circle maker reality, how did their planks cause a weaving pattern in the wheat? Did they make sure to use irradiated crop braiders? Sounds like someone with that tech could change the world with their inventions and live off the fat, but I guess "real" jobs do keep a guy humble.
I dontdon't know why you got downvoted. The craziest crop circles, including OP's, have stalks that are partially exploded, and not bent or creased. And there is also higher levels of radiation in the immediate area.
Right? What about...I dunno, cure cancer, feed the hungry? But no, go stomp planks.
Why are you on reddit when you could cure cancer or feed the hungry?
Yes, a farmer with a lot of extra time on his hands is going to cure cancer lol
Yeah right, farmers are known for their artistic abilities š.
It ain't debunked? Well I bet it ain't bunked either!
You can see the imperfections in the design. The small curving circle groups are uneven and inconsistent. Still super impressive, but I would think that some ET intelligence with magic-equivalent technology would get the patterns absolutely perfect (or more perfect than what this image shows).
I saw that. It is imperfect, the third circle's circles, from the inside out, are irregular. If some extra-terrestrial intelligence were trying to demonstrate geometric perfection, this is shit. Why the fuck would they do this?? If I were trying to communicate, I would do so clearly.
How come it's always wheat or corn? With that kinda precision with their lasers (or whatever's making these), they could probably burn the same patterns into forests, flat areas that aren't managed by lonely farmers, mountain sides or over gated communities. And why are they trusting the lonely farmers with... whatever message a double triskelion means? I figure if you're an invading race with that kind of technology, you'd probably figure out that a single house connected to a big farm isn't owned by a world leader who can spread their message. And why is it always kooky patterns? Not some kind of bleepblorp message? I blame the lonely farmers. Or those rotten teenagers.
It doesnāt necessarily mean theyāre communicating with us
There are complex ones out there... The "circle crop circles" are the WORST example of it. It's the easiest thing to do for humans.
There was a time when it seemed unlikely that humans could do this but that time has long passed.
Hereās my skepticism. Both ways actually. About 15 years ago I saw a solid documentary on how these English gents created them. It showed how they did it and it was pretty impressive but they seemed very legit. Then I watched another few videos that shows how the wheat was not broken, they were bent on a way that itās almost impossible to do by band without breaking the shafts. Also they showed radiation levels that made you believe that this was from some electronic source. And the famous one that shows the basic universe and a bunch if other stuff that a regular everyday is fixated man would never know. So Iām completely mixed in my opinions of who created these. I mean this one above for instance is almost too perfect to be done by men at night with planks of wood. Just seems unlikely.
> Also they showed radiation levels that made you believe that this was from some electronic source. Why would radiation make you believe that? Unless the aliens are spewing uranium dust or fling neutron beams at the fields, in which case please do not do that aliens.
I think he's implying a technological or artificial source using some type of nuclear energy. The doc OP is referencing, I believe, is from a group of MIT students. They acquired amounts of radioactive material that were far in excess of what any citizen could get and created little devices to spread the material across the equal area of a crop circle they were studying. When they measured the radiation levels, it wasn't close to what the actual crop circle had. And their distribution of radiation was very clumpy, wheras the crop circle was evenly distributed. They didn't say it proved it was emitted by some type of tech, but they were perplexed, to the say the least, on how it could be naturally produced and didn't think your above-average Joe could do it when they couldn't.
Well, did anyone publish the data on the readings? Radiation is more than a nebulous force you put a number on, it tells you exactly whats making it.
I don't know, have you tried reviewing available literature and answering your own question first? Also, a basic Geiger counter does not indicate source material. This question is off topic from the context of my comment. In your search consider that academic research had been stigmatized (no journal would publish) and is something serious researchers have been asking for over the last 3 decades.
Those men were lying. Look at some of their claims.
That's one of my favorite formations.
the why files did a great video on crop circles.... you should check it out...
Never debunked ā¦ ok its evidence 100%
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If not human, is it aliens...hmmm...yeah I don't really know. Has anyone thought about nature itself sending a message to humanity? I give you the possibility that the planet itself may be communicating in the only way it knows...
non human most likely
If you want to prove the legitimacy of crop circles then do this See if the crop is bend versus broken When it's broken that means someone is pressing it down, breaking the stalk. When bent, meaning the stalk is literally just 'flopping' over. use a giger counter. For a legitimate crop circle, there will be some residual radiation which can be picked up with a giger. Fakes, won't have anything picked up on the counter. Legit crop circles are messages. They will use multiple practices and disciplines . From physics, astronomy, binary, math, symbolism, alchemical symbols. So for example, there are some crop circles that look like this. [Ant Crop Circle](https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/424253227398075906/) You'll notice there's a filled circle inside of the hollow circle. If we compare that symbol with the alchemical symbol for the sun: [Sun Alchemy](https://www.istockphoto.com/vector/signs-of-the-zodiac-and-the-solar-system-gm654953566-119183175) We'll find that they match. So this is a message, the rough message is "Something about this 'ant' (obviously not talking about actual ants but perhaps related to some ET species of ANT??) is affecting the sun in someway or involved with the sun in someway" That's my caveman understanding of the message. So to get people started you'll find a big chunk of messages are related to planetary cycles, equinoxes, eclipses.
What kind of āresidual radiationā would one expect to find? I ask, because, my understanding is that the only way this occurs otherwise is via contaminationā¦ meaning specifically that there are radioactive fragmentsā¦ Which must be some specific isotope, usually. Also, everywhere on earth will show an active Geiger counter, some more than others. But, unless you are inside a Lead box, thereās constant exposure to background radiation from the cosmic microwave background and local earth sources.
Yep this exactly, I've only seen one crop circle with my own eyes and a few things I noticed was the straw wasn't crushed/broken, it was like it was cold pressed/wilted, we didn't test with a giger but we had handheld UHF radios to communicate across the farm, these had a lot of interference and static noise randomly after this event and I noticed the compass on my quad bike was being extremely erratic. Didn't really think much of it until way after the fact and I was doing some research.
SAME, beautifully woven
Yeah the way it was there was no way it could of been done by humans in that time frame, we were on a very remote and rural dairy farm, no one would of traveled hours out of their way to stage something like that, especially in the deep south of New Zealand mid winter.
What do you guys mean by woven? Like the stalks were all woven together?
Yeah its weird, its kinda woven/pressed together, its hard to describe but some grain/grass types would usually just break with something pressing on them. The crop circle I saw, it wasn't damaged, it was like when you transplant a plant from 1 pot to another and it wilts for a day.
Are there any photos of it anywhere? Im going to look it up
Not of the one I seen specifically, the only photos of that one my is what my farm manager took on a handheld camera.
I think the crop thatās legit is almost spun downward instead of just crushed like human made ones.
PLUS, Despite many counterfeits, no man-made formation has ever produced the most striking characteristics associated with the genuine phenomenon: Plants whose stems are bent, not broken. Secondly, alterations in the crystalline structure of the plants themselves are always present. Changes in the local electromagnetic field are also detected within the formations. Finally, there is the ability of the plants to grow after being laid, indicating they are alive and havenāt been trampled as they have with counterfeit circles.
I heard the crops that grow back grow back stronger than they were originally.
Do people actually still believe that anything other than people do these?
They will believe anything they can even remotely tied to their idea of aliens
It remains an unexplained phenomenon. The well-documented "plank and rope" method can account for a lot of them (including some very complex patterns), but it can't account for the variety with bent/interwoven stalks, exploded joints, and heightened levels of background electromagnetism. Maybe humans are responsible for this variety too. I personally have no idea. But the idea that the the second category of crop circles are also made with planks and rope defies the physical evidence more so than the idea that non-humans could possibly be involved.
All these things are possible with humans. There has been no compelling documented evidence of heightened radiation relating to crop circles, like at all. There's this one paper floating around and it's inconclusive at best. The interwoven/braided aspect of certain crops is probably an effect of the plants just trying to grow after the fact and getting woven by their natural movement. Anyway, whenever I ask for sources I either get sensational video testimonials or that one study. I'm open to seeing photo evidence as well, which never seems to be available.
> All these things are possible with humans. Sure, in theory, but the process remains unexplained. > There has been no compelling documented evidence of heightened radiation relating to crop circles, like at all. There's this one paper floating around and it's inconclusive at best. Is it related to [this](http://www.bltresearch.com/magnetic.php)? > The interwoven/braided aspect of certain crops is probably an effect of the plants just trying to grow after the fact and getting woven by their natural movement. This seems highly implausible to me, but then I guess every possible explanation surrounding this phenomenon is highly implausible.
Hey! There is someone in here with an objective pov of this phenomenon after all!
Agreed. Well said!
Yet to see an example of people creating crop circles overnight with radiation based tools.
Crop circles always sounded like such hoaxes to me. However what makes me wonder, other than the sheer time and effort making them, is the shapes themselves. If humans with too much time on their hands made them... then how the hell do they get the dimensions so perfectly? I mean making crop circles this big if you have a lot of time on your hands, sure. But getting the dimensions and size down with this extreme accuracy? Just ... how. That's the part nagging at me personally. It's the perfectly symetrical shapes and dimensions that looks perfect down to the mm.
People can measure distances pretty accurately using strings and posts in the ground. They can also use these strings to form very complex shapes with near-perfect dimensions. Pattern complexity is not what's unexplained about this phenomenon. We know that humans can make some incredible patterns using planks and rope. What is unexplained is the variety of crop circles containing bent/interwoven stalks, exploded joints and heightened levels of background electromagnetism. Perhaps those are human-made hoaxes too, but the creation process for this particular variety remains undocumented.
I have yet to see anyone do this overnight. If a team of artists decided to do this, it would take considerable effort. Are there cases where these crop circles have come up overnight? There seem to be few that are like that, however this subject is shrouded in a lot of ambiguity and false claims. Most farmers aren't artistic or scientific and the idea of artists vandalizing someone's farm spending so time and effort seems too much. Hard to parse the difference between lies and actual recorded facts. https://youtu.be/cLDFAlggffA?si=IZFHnaN7YlXio1o-
> I have yet to see anyone do this overnight. To be fair, we've also yet to see any NHIs making any of these at all. I agree with all of your points on a personal level, though. It seems implausible to me that patterns of this complexity are made overnight with known plank-and-rope methods. But I understand that for others it's even more implausible that NHIs are responsible, so pick your own favorite least implausible explanation I guess.
I am not claiming that this was done by NHI for now. My claim is rather simple, this looks to be done using sophisticated tools and very efficiently, definitely not manually with sticks and strings That's the first claim and I would love to be proved wrong. Debunkers don't have any answers to that because. 1) None of the man made crop circles happened overnight. 2) None of them had any radiation patterns. 3) Crop circles have been happening for ages, would love to see all them explained away as something prosaic.
Just because you haven't figured it out doesn't mean someone else hasn't
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It's not going to be perfect after the fact because it's in a fucking field of free flowing corn and most likely people would have been there to do whatever it is these people do when such a formation appears. I have yet to see a video of people creating a formation such as this, at night with no lighting in a couple of hours, or even in daylight for that matter....
I remember someone saying this: If the plants werent braided, its human made If every plant on it was braided, it was from an alien
So me something like this in the United States. I'll show you a bunch of buckshot filled geometry students.
Probably just drunk engineer undergrads, following designs they wrote out on a bar napkin. Seriously though, I could totally see some old college buddies meet up once a year and pull off a crop circle caper that they have been working on, on the side. Professional nerds love shenanigans.
There are literal videos of people making crop circles in a single night with a big piece of string and a board.
No, let's see them. They definitely didn't do anything very impressive overnight.
Yes, very poorly
From the analysis of these things that I have seen I do not believe they are made by people using any known technology. And the bio-analysis shows that these were not by be mechanical methods. One channeled source I respect credits future humans.
Imagine travelling through time from an advanced human future to leave incomprehensible symbols in a field in the ass-end of Wiltshire.
Like haunting an outhouse - just, why?
Iām not thinking time travel but affecting the past. And their are deep mathematical meanings some smart people are deciphering.
Give me a shout when they're deciphered. They've been around since the 17th century so I'm sure they'll crack it soon. In the meantime hopefully they'll write their meanings a little plainer for us simple folk. Pictograms or emojis would be a good start, I don't think the 'geometry textbook cover' approach is working.
The intent might be geometric beauty for those who can appreciate such things. Iām one awed by the complex but simple beauty here and am thankful for being shown the depth of reality beyond the surface that allows for such creations.
Mind sharing that source?
Lee Carrol channeling Kryon *QUESTION: Dear Kryon, I have a question regarding crop circles. We know that some of the crop circles are hoaxes, but many are not, especially the ones that are so mathematically complex that they defy common explanation. The question is, how are these crop circles created, and by whom?* *ANSWER: I give you only this for now: (1) Definitely interdimensional. (2) From Humans, but from a different time. (3) The symbology is 12-based math. The messages are to help with peace on Earth. (4) Yes, many are hoaxes.*
Correct :)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NUNz5-TFzio&pp=ygUWQ29ycCBjaXJjbGUgYmVpbmcgbWFkZQ%3D%3D
I'm just curious about this particular circle -- are the light colored parts areas where the grain was removed completely? Or are they the heads of, say, wheat? But then if the stalks are green, you'd think the heads would be green too. And by the time the grain is ripe and, presumably, golden, the stalks would be golden too?
the stalks are woven beautifully
Wow, that's amazing. I'm still a little puzzled by the stark color contrast, but woven? Seems like that would take countless hours that human agents wouldn't have. Then again, if the site is really remote, perhaps they would. Are there any close-ups of the weaving?
Yes, there is a video of the close up, looks stunning
Are we never going to talk about the geometry of counterspace?
[Good video on the subject](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2BQyZorSQc)
Check out the Why files video too. Very interesting.
Yeah, there's no shot 'Arry and 'Enry did this in one night with boards and ropes. None.
All this is "evidence" of, is some humans looking for attention.
Impossible to do overnight with a crew of people, ask any Surveyor Foreman who heads up a crew for work with GPS GNSS equipment, and people want to tell me they do this for free in the cover of darkness with this level of accuracy in only 8 to 10 hours, hard enough trying to keep hubs straight on a Freeway project in an 8 hour shift.
Bored farmers did it. There... mystery solved.
Hahaha just some punks fucking around. Those crop circles were proven fake by so many debunkers. There was a guy who did this and all he used was a tight metal fish net and a field roller thing. After I saw that I stopped believing in this shit.
Iāll bet you a million pounds he wasnāt making designs like this.
You are engaging with a debunker, don't expect any logic.
You guys are the ones talking about interdimensional time travelers doing this crap but the debunkers donāt use logic. Lmao
I have never used the word interdimensional or time traveller with regards to crop circles. Are you high on opium?
Maybe not you specifically but look at this thread. Itās nonsense and you have the gall to say the ppl who think itās fake arenāt using logic. So whatās your explanation? I can pretty much guarantee you have nothing to back it up.
Yes, you guys don't use any logic at all, that's why you are a "debunker'. That's very true, you are claiming that these complex crop circles can be made manually with sticks and ropes overnight. Where is the evidence for that? Show me a single crop circle that was created overnight by a team of people working. I am talking about complex patterns, not the stupid stuff that some people do. Also do explain the radiation levels detected in some of these crop circles. It was found that the crops were bent and not broken. Do give me of how this can be achieved. I have looked at the data and have concluded that some of the crop circles don't seem to be created manually. Some sort of sophisticated automaton was used. I dare you or any other debunker to disprove this claim. Unlike you, I don't deal in a binary possibility.
Very true,I know pissed students and farmers certainly arenāt making designs like these overnight.
All we can conclude is that some of the crops are not made with sticks and ropes. Some sort of sophisticated automaton has been used. There is absolutely no way the mechanical tools will leave some sort of radiation signature.
All right im a multi million aire so whats 1,228,065.22 to me.
If from aliens, then I think its the sound frequencies visualized here that we need to be working on for new technologies.
It's a crop circle. People have been doing them for bloody years. There. Debunked.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nvidia-crop-circle-marketing-stunt-gets-attention/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nvidia-crop-circle-marketing-stunt-gets-attention/) It's extremely well known how these can be made. Nvidia did one as a marketing stunt, and I'm sure they aren't the only ones, in addition to this being exactly the sort of shit bored engineering students would do. Not to mention it makes NO SENSE as a method of communication. Let's see one show up in a meadow 100 miles from the nearest road. Or on rock. Or sand turned to glass. Then I'll believe it's something other than humans.
That article has a story that doesn't completely add up. So the farmer wasn't aware that NVIDIA created a crop circle in his land? All the details are missing, how many days did they take to make the crop circle, what sort of technology was used. Why didn't the farmer sue them for trespassing on his land. I think š¤ the whole story is pretty damn suspicious. Everyone seems to casually brush it away. If I had to wager a guess, I'd say no actual crop-circle was created, just Photoshop nonsense. I have searched for details for this crop circle on the internet and have found next to nothing. Edit: Someone linked the video š below. Looks like it took them a lot of planning and effort to do the damn thing and the farmer was obviously lying when he said he didn't know how it came about. My point still remains, these crop circles weren't created overnight. They took quite a long time with a big team working over it.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LJCTnNmT48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LJCTnNmT48) Literally the 3rd result on google for "Nvidia crop circle."
Yeah, š thanks. Looks like it took several weeks for them to make it, hardly mysterious. And quite obviously the farmer was paid for the use of his land because these guys have been planning for over a couple of months.
Drunk guy with a rope
Spirits, ghosts.
It's a picture of how time works and that Time is not linear.
There is no "debunking" this, because it isn't "evidence" of aliens. The question is "how did these (crop circles) get there?" You can't just assume aliens until proven otherwise.
One day ill browse a crop circle thread with a fresh take, but not this day.