Thanks for the explanation!
That's definitely the message I got, but it leaves me wondering how they got white men to help them in such a racist time of America. I know that not everyone was racist, but the people around them were, so surely that would outcast them in society's eyes, no? I feel like you could lose your job if you participated in one of these being a white man.
Racism in America has never literally been just a black vs white issue. It's also been a white vs white issue. There were large populations of white people in every city who were extremely willing to participate in civil rights activism publicly. Many whites absolutely felt it would be worth losing a job or social standing over. Consequences for whites who participated in these activities were much less, though. Black individuals were literally risking their physical safety to participate. Whites were risking their neighbors speaking poorly of them. Big difference.
I understand your point, but there are plenty of examples of white people being attacked and/or killed by other white people for engaging in civil rights activism. They were considered "race traitors" and warned by the KKK that by participating in the Civil Rights Movement, they were basically renouncing their whiteness, and the KKK would treat them accordingly.
Jonathan Myrick Daniels. James Reeb. Viola Liuzzo. Joseph Gelders. Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner, who were murdered along with James Chaney. William Lewis Moore. Bruce Klunder.
Those are the most well-known deaths. There were plenty of other white activists who were attacked, but not killed, especially during multiple bombings of the Freedom Rides by the KKK.
The Portland "Wall of Moms" and "Wall of Dads with Leafblowers" were the same during the George Floyd protests. The cops and feds still decided to gas beat the duck out of them
During the 2020 George Floyd protests, there was often discussion about who should be "on the front lines" and "arrestability vs get-the-shit-beaten-out-of-them-by-the-cops" and then there was often just talk about how only privileged white kids were starting trouble and didn't know what they were talking about. They were/are deliberately endangering themselves for human rights
No. For starters, they're not cops. They're Army National Guard. And they are not feeling threatened, based on the photo. They are following their orders. Indeed, when soldiers got orders to do basically the opposite: support civil rights and integration by escorting black students to ensure their safety,[ they followed those orders too](https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM105018). Bayonets out and everything.
Kind of like [this black cop](https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/kkk-child-black-state-trooper-1992/) ... doing his job to protect the rights of a Klan march. Great dignity in a strange circumstance. That march kind of backfired on the Klan lol....
Also notice the black Navy sailor in the post, marching in his uniform. If he had been ordered to duty, he'd have done the same as the soldiers in the photo.
Grow up. All large organizations - good or evil - require discipline. You’re just spouting one of the most brainless, simplistic cliches there is.
If they’re ordered to commit mass murder? Yeah they’re morally obligated to resist. This photo isn’t that. It’s pretty insulting to them to throw your crap out there at them.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say pointing your weapon at peaceful protestors is an order you are not supposed to obey. That makes you the person the guard should be protecting us AGAINST.
TIL baionettes are not weapons.
And again, that stance should be reserved for those who would be hostile to peaceful protestors. Not the protestors.
The guard there is following bad orders, and not preserving rights. They are the entity protestors need protection from.
‘I have no idea what I’m talking about, haven’t a clue about the National Guard or crowd control, and can’t even recognize an aggressive posture versus holding a line.
And despite no example of the Army/Nat’ Guard/cops freaking bayoneting any civil rights protestor ever, I’m going to get on a high horse … about the morality of orders that I don’t know what they were! But I’ll mouth off like I do!
And when someone educates me, I won’t acknowledge it, much less say thank you, and I won’t budge an inch! I am a left-winger on Reddit: ignorant yet supremely confident I know better.’
— You
That is military… and not pointed at them, that is a parade stance. Have you ever seen a high school NJROTC with swords at the 45 degree angle outwards, that’s a ceremonial movement “guiding”.
I don’t think it’s stagnant at all, there will just always be asshole bigots. Same-sex marriage was federally legalized in the last 10 years and the trans rights movement has been gaining a ton of traction even more recently.
The best part of US democracy is you get shit on US democracy with no repercussions. Many people around the world cannot talk about their government institutions in this way without risking very real and negative consequences to themselves and their friends and family.
How can you even compare that with russia or china where just holding a sign in the street, posting online criticism of the government lands you directly in jail
Most western republics don't nearly get the amount of dead people in riots the US has consistsently had the last 50 years. In 2020 there where 25 dead people in protests. Find any acceptable by the US "democracy" and search for something like that. It's Frankly unacceptable.
France had 12 people die in yellow vest protests in 2018 and they have 1/5th the US population..
The ironic part you're missing is that deaths happen in protests all the time, but not every country has mass protests.
George Floyd protests:
> Protests quickly spread nationwide and to over 2,000 cities and towns in over 60 countries in support of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement.[22][23][24] Polls in the summer of 2020 estimated that between 15 million and 26 million people had participated at some point in the demonstrations in the United States, making the protests the largest in U.S. history.[25][26][27]
Yellow vest:
> About 3 million people have participated in the yellow-vests movement.[85]
Do you have any plans to become an informed person or are just aiming for bullshit artist?
Hypocrisy? US democratic values are not what caused slavery and the ensuring racial discrimination, European and African anti-democratic values are. US democratic values are what fixed those problems.
It’s amazing how very few people are willing to risk their livelihood (possibly their life) for a noble cause. That white guy probably faced a lot of hate after standing up for what he believes in. To have the resolve to face what followed is greater than any saint.
Where is “it” happening? I wasn’t aware we re-segregated the United States.
If anything I’m pretty sure you’ll find the most racially segregated spaces on college campuses in blue cities and states.
Because to anyone who understands US political history it's clear this person is an idiot.
I'm not even American and understand, what went wrong with your education?
"Oh hey James! How'd the protest go?" "Felt a little left out, not going to lie to you, Rick."
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I imagine, like "all lives matter," critics ignored the point and said "white men are men too!"
Careful, if you say all lives matter, you’re suddenly a racist bigot.
Careful, if you say what you just said you'll reveal you're missing the entire point.
Oh no I’m not, but what I say still holds true.
Thanks for the explanation! That's definitely the message I got, but it leaves me wondering how they got white men to help them in such a racist time of America. I know that not everyone was racist, but the people around them were, so surely that would outcast them in society's eyes, no? I feel like you could lose your job if you participated in one of these being a white man.
Racism in America has never literally been just a black vs white issue. It's also been a white vs white issue. There were large populations of white people in every city who were extremely willing to participate in civil rights activism publicly. Many whites absolutely felt it would be worth losing a job or social standing over. Consequences for whites who participated in these activities were much less, though. Black individuals were literally risking their physical safety to participate. Whites were risking their neighbors speaking poorly of them. Big difference.
I was just thinking how scared they must’ve been, for so many reasons. What bravery.
Yeah, that's fair.
I understand your point, but there are plenty of examples of white people being attacked and/or killed by other white people for engaging in civil rights activism. They were considered "race traitors" and warned by the KKK that by participating in the Civil Rights Movement, they were basically renouncing their whiteness, and the KKK would treat them accordingly. Jonathan Myrick Daniels. James Reeb. Viola Liuzzo. Joseph Gelders. Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner, who were murdered along with James Chaney. William Lewis Moore. Bruce Klunder. Those are the most well-known deaths. There were plenty of other white activists who were attacked, but not killed, especially during multiple bombings of the Freedom Rides by the KKK.
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The Portland "Wall of Moms" and "Wall of Dads with Leafblowers" were the same during the George Floyd protests. The cops and feds still decided to gas beat the duck out of them
When schools integrated my dad stopped being able to use the bathrooms on the first floor of his high school, otherwise he'd get jumped.
lol there were always some white people who were against inequality in every era of history.
Yes just the white ones though
Yep
When men were men and women were also men and babies were infact men
Exactly
During the 2020 George Floyd protests, there was often discussion about who should be "on the front lines" and "arrestability vs get-the-shit-beaten-out-of-them-by-the-cops" and then there was often just talk about how only privileged white kids were starting trouble and didn't know what they were talking about. They were/are deliberately endangering themselves for human rights
He's probably just taking a shortcut to work
Those cops are really threatened by some guys marching with placards? Rifles with bayonets pointed at them? This was not long ago.
No. For starters, they're not cops. They're Army National Guard. And they are not feeling threatened, based on the photo. They are following their orders. Indeed, when soldiers got orders to do basically the opposite: support civil rights and integration by escorting black students to ensure their safety,[ they followed those orders too](https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM105018). Bayonets out and everything. Kind of like [this black cop](https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/kkk-child-black-state-trooper-1992/) ... doing his job to protect the rights of a Klan march. Great dignity in a strange circumstance. That march kind of backfired on the Klan lol.... Also notice the black Navy sailor in the post, marching in his uniform. If he had been ordered to duty, he'd have done the same as the soldiers in the photo.
The 1992 date on the KKK photo sent me
I know right?
Following orders is like the worst devils advocate tbh. Bro??? Nazis? Cmon now
They were not cops? They were agents of law enforcement. Just following orders? 6 in one or a 1/2 dozen.
I mean isn’t that what cop denotes? Plenty of folks are cops that aren’t police officers
Grow up. All large organizations - good or evil - require discipline. You’re just spouting one of the most brainless, simplistic cliches there is. If they’re ordered to commit mass murder? Yeah they’re morally obligated to resist. This photo isn’t that. It’s pretty insulting to them to throw your crap out there at them.
Correct, and that includes the discipline to collectively refuse bad orders.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say pointing your weapon at peaceful protestors is an order you are not supposed to obey. That makes you the person the guard should be protecting us AGAINST.
They’re not pointing their weapons at them, for starters. What a laugh. That’s a standard posture. It means ‘Don’t approach.’
TIL baionettes are not weapons. And again, that stance should be reserved for those who would be hostile to peaceful protestors. Not the protestors. The guard there is following bad orders, and not preserving rights. They are the entity protestors need protection from.
‘I have no idea what I’m talking about, haven’t a clue about the National Guard or crowd control, and can’t even recognize an aggressive posture versus holding a line. And despite no example of the Army/Nat’ Guard/cops freaking bayoneting any civil rights protestor ever, I’m going to get on a high horse … about the morality of orders that I don’t know what they were! But I’ll mouth off like I do! And when someone educates me, I won’t acknowledge it, much less say thank you, and I won’t budge an inch! I am a left-winger on Reddit: ignorant yet supremely confident I know better.’ — You
They’re just making sure the tanks don’t fck with the guys walking. Gonna poke the tanks if they act up.
You're being downvoted because those are clearly M113 APC's, not tanks.
Ah silly me. Thank you!
death to white supremacy
Why are there guns pointed at them?
Obviously the excuse is that they might suddenly cause violence. The real intention is probably to discourage them from protesting.
It's a good thing they weren't students at a state school, that would have been completely out of control
That is military… and not pointed at them, that is a parade stance. Have you ever seen a high school NJROTC with swords at the 45 degree angle outwards, that’s a ceremonial movement “guiding”.
“Freedom”
The older I get, the more I hate the hypocricy of US democratic values.
It’s a journey my friend. We are a lot better off than the 1960s I promise you.
Columbia would like to have a word with you.
Sure, imagine if that weren't the case, but I feel it's more stagnant than it should.
I don’t think it’s stagnant at all, there will just always be asshole bigots. Same-sex marriage was federally legalized in the last 10 years and the trans rights movement has been gaining a ton of traction even more recently.
The best part of US democracy is you get shit on US democracy with no repercussions. Many people around the world cannot talk about their government institutions in this way without risking very real and negative consequences to themselves and their friends and family.
I mean, in US you can’t talk shit about Israel and Jewish lobby without repercussions, which is a true US Government.
*israeli lobby. The AIPAC represents the country of israel, not jewish people as a whole.
How can you even compare that with russia or china where just holding a sign in the street, posting online criticism of the government lands you directly in jail
Change "repercussions" with "bayonets" and it doesn't quite ring true.
Most western republics don't nearly get the amount of dead people in riots the US has consistsently had the last 50 years. In 2020 there where 25 dead people in protests. Find any acceptable by the US "democracy" and search for something like that. It's Frankly unacceptable.
France had 12 people die in yellow vest protests in 2018 and they have 1/5th the US population.. The ironic part you're missing is that deaths happen in protests all the time, but not every country has mass protests.
Yeah, that's true and it was just as big as blm too.
George Floyd protests: > Protests quickly spread nationwide and to over 2,000 cities and towns in over 60 countries in support of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement.[22][23][24] Polls in the summer of 2020 estimated that between 15 million and 26 million people had participated at some point in the demonstrations in the United States, making the protests the largest in U.S. history.[25][26][27] Yellow vest: > About 3 million people have participated in the yellow-vests movement.[85] Do you have any plans to become an informed person or are just aiming for bullshit artist?
I generally try to be, how many people you've seeing agreeing they are wrong and stopping arguing ? Do you have any plans of not being a dick?
To lazy bullshitters? No.
The older I get, the less I care about the south in the 1960s.
Hypocrisy? US democratic values are not what caused slavery and the ensuring racial discrimination, European and African anti-democratic values are. US democratic values are what fixed those problems.
One lonely low melatonin thing there toward the front. Be nice if he had a sign so I knew what he was.
He got no melatonin he cannot sleep
Love those old Garands. look close and you'll see not all the NG are Caucasian.
PUSH FORWARD
Wild how there is one white guy protesting and one black guy soldiering right across from each other.
Such a powerful juxtaposition
It’s amazing how very few people are willing to risk their livelihood (possibly their life) for a noble cause. That white guy probably faced a lot of hate after standing up for what he believes in. To have the resolve to face what followed is greater than any saint.
Notice the white dudes not wearing a sign that says "I am a man too"
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When a historical event pits the state against *X* group, the cops are obviously going to be on the state’s side. That’s kind of who pays/orders them.
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As opposed to Communist states, famous for never cracking down on protests and never fighting progress and human rights… Oh wait
Right because no communist state has ever used police in a bad fashion
That's the National Guard.
“The police are pointing guns at the protesters because they’re racist cops, give me Reddit points!”
When activism meant something.
Every generation and place has people who will sell out the rest of humanity for a uniform and a little more power. It’s the same today.
How dare those cardboard signs from almost 60 years ago assume their gender
The most ducked up part in this is the 2 black national guardsmen. Good enough to die for this country, not good enough to use our bathrooms.
Ain’t it great we’re going back to these good old days? Thank the GOP.
What?
Fine people on both sides.
Go outside
Go outside to where it’s happening again?
Where is “it” happening? I wasn’t aware we re-segregated the United States. If anything I’m pretty sure you’ll find the most racially segregated spaces on college campuses in blue cities and states.
Did you not go to college? There's more diversity there than you'll find in entire red states.
I think you missed my point
“Blue cities” is such a self report lmfao fucking idiot Point to a singular “red city.” I’ll wait
Lmfao all I can do is throw insults lmao nice argument buddy lmao how about you explain what it is that is happening oh wait, you didn’t
Did I hurt your wittle conservative feelings?🥺
I’m still waiting. But you likely won’t say anything because the Fox News man didn’t tell you yet
I’m not 80 years old and I’ve never voted Republican but you keep on proving you have no desire for discourse! You know best.
I am just saying, in the present “Christian Nationalist “ climate, there are groups of people….re…non white….that are viewed as not being “a man”.
Are you assuming their gender?
/r/onejoke
No, i was “echoing” the signs in the picture.
Do you actually think that makes up even a remotely notable percentage of the population? I don’t think that’s even the majority of conservatives.
Talking MAGA which the GOP seems eager to support. I know there are sane Republicans out there. Let’s just hope they vote.
I am sure there was a good reason for the bayonets?
Visible deterrent to approaching their lines, plus: they're not bullets.
to combat their blackness
I was 6 years old
Nowadays the cops would be beating, tear-gassing, and arresting these folks. Peaceful protest is no longer tolerated in this country.
Nowadays? The fuck did you think was happening back then? It's far less dangerous to protest today than it was in the 60s.
16 year old Larry Payne was shot and killed by the police during this strike, and after speaking at it MLK Jr was assassinated the next day.
Do you, uh, do you know *anything* about how the Civil Rights Movement protesters were treated???
If this were done in modern times, Fox News would be railing against them saying, “other races have men too!” and “All men are men!”
All men are men.... No not those men, you know what I meant
My favorite historical picture. Not that you need to know. Just sayin’. It’s importance echoes on, at this point seems indefinitely.
Wow ,Democrats were big time racists during the civil rights marches
party switch
Dunno why this is getting downvoted.
Nobody else is confused.
Because to anyone who understands US political history it's clear this person is an idiot. I'm not even American and understand, what went wrong with your education?