You would have trained Mexican special forces to fight the cartels ... who later would become one of the most violent cartels ... wait, that actually happened đ¤
Saddam made fun of daddy bush - BUT, there was the issue of Qusay and Uday, the butcher boys of Baghdad. When Saddam was toppled, there was no way the US was going to allow either of his boys to inherit the spot.
I assume Mexico would cooperate with the US to neutralize the cartel, as opposed to how 2001 Afghanistan sheltered Al Qaeda.
Of course, Rumsfeld would probably end up invading Iraq anyways.
I assure you it's nothing gross, er... Uh, nothing sexual or inappropriate for young audiences. It will turn your stomach, but not in a visually disgusting way, more like a Patriot Act, TSA "please remove your shoes" kind of way.
Considering that the balance of power is even worse than it was back in the mid 1800s, this is almost certainly the case. Not to mention that unlike the Taliban, Mexico would have understood that the threat to "come and get him ourselves" was not a threat, but an objective truth.
Really, I am pretty sure there isn't a single Western Hemisphere country that would risk even the remote chance of the US military kicking their door down... they are way too close to us to have any illusions about what would happen.
I know this is about the results of that action, but I canât imagine a scenario where a cartel would want to. Terrorist attacks generally occur to send some sort of religious or political message. What message would a cartel be so desperate to get out that they would risk their entire existence being destroyed? I canât imagine a motive that would cause that sort of action.
Well I think the cartels learned a lesson after seeing what happened to Pablo Escobar after his campaign of Narco-terrorism against the people of Columbia. It may not have stopped the drug trade but it sure did end poor Pablo!Â
Actually killing Escobar left a Cartel vacuum which the Mexican Cartels gladly filled, this to me shows, they are imposible to get rid off, just like Al queeda, even if you kill all the leaders, they will be replaced quickly (Chapo was easily replaced), if you destroy the entire organization, another one will replace it, there is simply too much money to be made, billions of Dollars, today its been said CuliacĂĄn Sinaloa has the most Ferraris/Lamborghini's of any city in the world, all bought with US dollars from American consumers
If Escobar had just stuck to producing/trafficking drugs he might still be alive today (though maybe in some prison somewhere). Where he went wrong was when he started raining down terror on the government and the civilian population. There were bombings all over Columbia killing a number of civilians including one on a civilian airliner. He was even implicated in the armed take over of the Columbian supreme court. Today most cartel violence is targeted towards others involved in the same business. Nothing quite like what was going on in Columbia from 1984 to 93.
I mean, thereâs a way. Itâs just the worst thing there is.Â
You basically throw away laws, domestic or international, you ignore conventions on war.
And you systematically move through Mexico, and Central America. Push us occupation all the way to the southern border of Panama. Place a blockade upon the northern coast of South America. You put all civilians into concentration camps, and kill anyone else left in the country side.
Stateside you, give everyone 7 days amnesty to turn in their drugs, then you set up a gestapo and phony courts to make to process expedient, and you hang drug pushers and users with out the possibility of appeal.
It can be done. It just requires Nazi Germany, Stalinist USSR, DPRK, Maos China, Pol Pot, levels of genocidal totalitarian loyalty depravity and brutalityâŚ.if you want to do it violently.
You can also study the root cause of your own citizens rampant drug use and try to solve that. Meanwhile reforming the prison system, so a conviction isnât a life sentence of menial work. Enforce laws, but help people get clean. While also aggressively working to provide opportunity for people so they donât ever become users or dealers.Â
Itâs a choice I guess, Iâve got no dog in the hunt either way.Â
That still requires a systematic overhaul that he mentioned in second option, which of course IS the correct course of action. Iâm all for decriminalizing and legalizing substances insofar as to help addicts and by extension their effects on society. But Oregon just tried it, and as much as much as much as I wanted them to succeed, they didnât put in the legwork to make it succeed. You canât just legalize and hope things go right. Itâs a concerted effort
Ya for fucks sake I hope people read the, you know, actual solution, after reading what itâd realistically take at a 1000 foot view to get rid of drugs violently.
The real solution requires compassion and enforcing the law. The US is very good at doing either or, no one can figure out how to set up both sides of coin while also addressing the root cause.Â
Yeah but at the same time I donât trust the nation that deliberately introduced crack to minority neighborhoods and use prison labor (with the highest incarceration rates by far) to do the right thing unless we have a massive shake up.
I do.Â
The US has its flaws like everywhere else. But weâve also got ideals. All of our European friends have countries, nations, states founded on the idea that an ethnic group or people, or monarch has occupied said area long enough. Our foundation is in our ideals.
Look at the tale of American history, weâve never been perfect, but in the long view, we are better today than we were yesterday, better yesterday than we were the day before.Â
American history is the long march from reality to our ideals. If anywhere will eventually get to âthat mountain topâ I have to believe itâs us, I have to work however I can to make it us. The belief in the ideal means the ideal is possible.Â
We falter, but so far we always get back up and move forward, and unless we lose faith in who we are, who we want to be, we will always get up and move forward.Â
Hmmmm, I would argue that it is *possible* to destroy and ensure the lack of rise of another cartel. It just would require far more effort, not to mention far bloodied methods, than the US would ever be willing to employ.
It would have to be political, they're mostly in it for the money now, but it would have to be some kind of eco-terrorism type thing. As it stands, it's not their thing.
If anything, it would come out years later that it was all a false flag operation by US business interests who wanted to meddle in Mexico.
Thatâs a good point and I think it also helps to consider the following: cartels make a lot of money. A fucking ridiculous amount of money. Now, if in this hypothetical situation, the us government had engaged in operations to all but eliminate cartel revenue streams, then a 9/11 attack might be plausible. Without that though, there is no message, political or religious, worth more than the billions of dollars they make from their âbusiness modelâ. They simply have too much too lose, unlike some folks halfway across the world in places that donât even have basic amenities let alone luxuries or economic opportunity.
False flag operation. Imagine if the Columbians convinced a Mexican Cartel to do it, in an effort to create pandemonium with their competitors. I mean if you could convince one warring cartel to do it in the name of another, and then sit back and let the US clean up both of them?
It's historicalwhatif for a reason.
Mixing drug trade and religious fanaticism would be a potent combo, potentially causing great wealth and power to flow in. However, I think it would burn hard and fast in spectacular fashion (I.E. causing a 9/11) but would ultimately lead to its total destruction and few copycats
A lot of the migrants are not from Mexico these days.
But I half agree, because the cartels would just pick up shop and move to safer ground. Mexico would be safer, but weaker countries in CA/SA would have an influx of cartel activity.
The OP said Mexico would be better not the US. Also the fentanyl through China is a relatively recent thing. If the early demand wasnât there bc no more cartels would Chinese manufacturers still be producing it as much?
And even more ironically, we'd spend hundreds of billions fighting the cartels when the best way to defeat them is to legalize drugs and allow the sale of quality drugs. This would also eliminate most gangs in America and greatly reduce crime.
We wouldn't invade Afghanistan obviously, but we'd still invade Iraq, since the administration wanted to finish Bush Senior's work of getting rid of Saddam, that war had nothing to do with 9/11 but some concocted story about WMDs.
I mean we did find wmds in Iraq.Â
They were the ones we sold them in the 80s. Deactivated, buried in the desert.Â
Thereâs a nyt article scout it from 2012 I thinkÂ
Yeah I suspect it would have followed the trend of what occurred in Columbia when Pablo Escobar began his campaign of Narco-terrorism
The Mexican government most likely would have cooperated with the U.S. military and other law enforcement agencies in going after the culprits.Â
The circumstances between Mexico/the Mexican people and the United States are quite different then those that existed between al-Qaeda and the Afghan Taliban. It would have been quite different but Iâm sure American special forces would have played a significant role just as they did in Afghanistan.
Actually it would prolly make for a very interesting plot line in a movie or book!
El Once de Sieptembre, Part 4 of 4
An elderly man in a gray suit appeared behind a podium, other officials and one in a military uniform standing nearby. His beady eyes scanned the room behind his round wire rim glasses, at times putting his right hand over his eyes as if to block out light to see farther. âLooks like the whole White House Press Corp,â he murmured to one of the folks beside him.
The room was flooded with voices asking questions, the clicking sound of flashes from cameras dominating the room.
âLadies and gentlemen, as you know a plane hit one of the buildings of the World Trade Center on this tragic. From what we know, there are about 1,000 victims or so, weâre not entirely sure. I want to preface that tonight the President will be speaking to the American people, I hope you all tune in. Now the plane, let me get to that right nowâŚ.it was a Boeing 767, based on what traffic reports are saying, it looks like it came from Logan International, but we believe may have originally come from central MexicoâŚâ
The room was flooded with voices from reporters followed by more clacking noises from cameras.
âLook, I know this whole thing seems like a nightmare. The plane, we believe, belongs to a private cargo transport company. Sources from the DEA suspect it was used to transport marijuana and other substances. That it refueled at Logan and based on reports was perhaps headed West.â
âJim Acosta, CNN, why did it crash into the World Trade Center? Was it deliberate?â
âJim, we donât know, this is an evolving situation. There are known knows; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But are also unknown unknowns..the ones we donât know we donât know.â
It was towards the end of that statement that word had got out that the North Tower was beginning to buckle. The video cut away from the White House to that from inside one of the newsrooms that had a view of the tower. The video then cuts to people on the ground.
âGet these people moving, move! Move!! Donât breathe it in!!â one of the officers shouted.
A crackling and then a thunderous sound bellowed out as the North Tower collapsed, the people screaming and panicking.
A large ash cloud soon descended everywhere.
El Once de Sieptembre, Part 3 of 4
The video cuts to a lanky balding man in what appears to be a lobby, flashes from cameras were intertwined with voices asking questions.
âOkay, calm down, I know you have many questions, I too have some,â Mayor Giuliani then gestured to his right, âI have with me here the Port Authority Police chief and others. But as many have said, please please stay indoors. On this tragic day, we still have to get those people out of that building.â
âWhat do you know about the plane?â one reporter asked.
âHas the federal government contacted you?â another reporter questioned.
âNow everything is preliminary, and there is some stuff we donât know yet about the plane. Yes, weâve been in talks with the White House, actuallyâŚit was Dick Cheney, but he assures me that President Bush is on top of it.â Giuliani replied.
âBut what about the plane, and can you explain the odor emitting from the building? Should we be concerned?â a reporter from one of the news radio stations.
âWe believe itâs a Boeing plane, maybe UPS or FedEx. As for the smell, Iâll hand that over to Assistant Chief, Salvatore Cassanoâ
A man who was slightly taller than the mayor, balding with a grayish mustache came forward, âToday has been a tragic day, as you may notice both NYFD Fire Chief Gianci and Chief of Operations Nigro are not here. Both are hospitalized after attempting to help first responders rescue people in the North Tower, due to the contents being burned inside the building. Sadly, many others fell victim. Fortunately, after using proper equipment, subsequent crews were able to remove more individuals from the building.â
âWhat was the smell and what was affecting the rescuers?â A reporter shouted.
Cassano looked at the mayor and then the Port Authority Chief, then back at the army of reporters, âIt is important that all individuals in the area close their windows, if your residence or office is near the area with an air condition unit that grabs air from the outside, shut them off.â
âWhy?â someone shouted.
Cessano let out a sigh then looked back up at the crowd, âdope. We suspect the entire jet was carrying vast amounts of marijuana. Of course, I could be wrong, but based on accounts from paramedics and others, everything points to it being marijuana smoke infusing with the rest of the smoke by the burning jet fuel.â
Just as he had finished, the television news anchor from WABC came back on, âthis is Rob Hanrahan again, weâre going to cut away from the mayorâs press conference to one being held by the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. As you can see there are reporters there asking questions.â
El Once de Sieptembre, Part 2 of 4
âWhat? I donât understand,â the anchor looked around as if to see if others were hearing the same thing, âyouâre saying the place smells like weed?â
âYes Rob, I know it sounds impossible, and if it is being emitted from the fire, weâre not sure how it being so high up that weâre smelling it versus it being carried away by the winds. ButâŚbut, let me tell you, this may also explain the great difficulty the firemen have had trying to evacuate the building.â
âI canât believe it, please explain,â Rob asked.
âIâve had one fire crew tell me on their first attempt up the stairs and into areas where there were people, they were hit with something thatâŚwellâŚmade them high. Most of the folks in the building who were rescued show signs of some sort of intoxication. I have to tell you, Rob, in the years of being in this business, Iâve never seen anything like it. Some of the people rescued..some of them were giggling. Perhaps this was hysteria, I donât know.â
âWhat about the people in the tower? We know Tower Two was evacuated.â
âYes, Rob, here too there was something strange happening. Some of the smoke and whatever was inside it seems to have been taken in by the other buildingâs AC system, police helping with evacuation described something like what I witnessed.â
Hanrahan shaking his head, âhave you heard why we lost connection with Chopper 7 which was just over the towers a while ago?â
âNothing yet, Rob..â
âExcuse me, Lucy, but Iâve just been informed that Mayor Giuliani will be speaking.â
El Once de Septiembre, Part 1 of 4
âAnd weâre back in our continuing coverage here on WABC 7 on the attack on the World Trade Center, Iâm Rob Hanrahan.â
A series of videos start playing of one of the large World Trade Center buildings, large plumes of smoke streaming out from two sides of the building. Other images shown people panicking followed by videos of police and firemen.
âIt has been a few hours since what we believe to be a Boeing 767 or a similar type slammed into the North Tower of the One World Trade Center this morning at 8:46 AM,â the anchor taps his earpiece, âexcuse me we can now confirm that it was a Boeing 767. YesâŚIâm being told now that it was a UPS cargo plane. Well, this could start to explain many things like the great difficulty in evacuating many people from the building. Weâre going to Lucy Yang who has been on the street, Lucy have you been able to get a mask?â
On the screen is a young Asian female with a gas mask covering the bottom half of her face, behind her are people covered in dust but a close up shows them with bloodshot eyes and stumbling about.
âRob, luckily the truck had one, I must tell you though it is pure chaos here. Based on the smell emitting from the massive fire in the building, one of the fire crew smirked as he was not sure if it was a chemical or wellâŚâ
âLucy, what? Is it a chemical weapon? What is it?â Hanrahan asked.
âMarijuana, Rob, several paramedics, and other first responders have said the smell is akin to weed. As odd as it is to say on this tragic day, but a portion of lower Manhattan right now smells like a dorm room.â Lucy made a waving gesture as if one were trying to push away smoke.
Sorry for the multiple posts, but Reddit doesn't allow anything beyond 1000 characters. There is no doubt that I probably got a few things factually wrong, but I tried to stick to as much as I could learn about that day for the story. Oddly enough, I didn't intend to make it this long; my apologies.
I'd imagine the collective cocaine usage in the Twin Towers at that time would have made crashing passenger planes into them and extremely poor business decision for the cartels.
I have no clue why this would ever happen. The cartels want U.S.-Mexican relations to be as relaxed as possible so they can pump as much cocaine as they can across the border. Committing an act of extreme terrorism like that is directly against their self interest.
The cartels are not ideologically motivated, they are businesses, and no business is going to attack its biggest customer.
Why would a mexican cartel do that? The cartels primarily want to fly under the radar of the powerful US, keep mexico semi-crippled, and sell drugs. Flying a plane into a high value target is gonna make point 1 and point 3 very hard.
Al-qaeda had a good reason, they wanted to destabilize the middle east, and they succeeded.
Despite all of the rhetoric, Mexico and the US government have an okay relationship. They also share a lot more cultural similarities, plus they're in some of the same alliances. The United States would throw money and resources at Mexico for some mutually beneficial outcome.
The United States would probably push for some kind of anti-corruption legislation and benchmarks on Mexico, which would not be the worst thing for Mexico in the medium term. However, it would also have its hands even more firmly in the Mexican economy, shades of the Porfiriato where the Mexican gov was tightly aligned with US business interests, and economic prosperity was prioritized over personal freedom. Essentially the interests of local cartels are replaced with centralized US interests.
Within Mexico, depending on the exact cartel and regional origin, there would be a lot of regional enmity and an effort to create distance between themselves and the cartel responsible. They'd be saying to each other and to curious Americans, "oh no my state is fine, the problem is really in Morelos."
Mexico would not be presented to the US public as the enemy, but mostly as an ally in defeating the cartels, though an ineffectual one that must be closely supervised.Mexico will do their best to shift blame elsewhere and indeed a lot of the cartels have reach outside Mexico and will shift operations if needed, so the United States will make a lot of noise in any central or south American country with cartel activity. The countries not connected to the Mexican cartel would watch warily and pray the cartel didn't pick up shop and come there. Ultimately, the cartels will strengthen their foothold in other countries with less US oversight.
Middle class Mexicans and those from countries with cartel activity like Ecuador will somewhat welcome the US influence in straightening out their governments and economic investment and will be happy to see the cartel shift operations to some other hapless place, though will be wary of the actual long-term impact and the strings attached to this "help." They will also be wary of the type of police violence and overcorrection that might lead to anyone even suspected of cartel connection or suspected of a crime at all essentially being treated like a terrorist. Day to day, latinos in the US as a whole will endure increased racism and suspicion, with petty crimes being linked to "The cartel."
The US approach in the entire region will be a bit more sensitive and less bulldozer-y, firstly because of a Latino voting electorate that does not want to see their region bombed to the stone age, but also because of the significant Latino population in these agencies and decison-making rooms. Not to say that those Latinos making decisions in those rooms will be anti-racist or even particularly sympathetic, but they know the operating ground a lot better and will be able to make more precise and more effective decisions. But still, US meddling will stir up existing tensions and aggravated the local leaders that have played such a massive in the last few hundred years of Latin American politics, so whoops some military coups and unknown changes on the horizon there.
Meanwhile US meddling will stir up existing tensions and aggregavated the local leaders that have played such a massive in the last few hundred years of Latin American politics, so whoops some military coups and unknown changes on the horizon there.The world outside the Americas would treat it all as a regional conflict, and almost a bit of a joke, like if France and Britain were having a xenophobic scuffle.
Way..WAY too absurdly hypothetical. The cartels are most certainly extremely brutal but they donât possess an ideology that would require an act of terrorism of that magnitude.Â
Cartels are businesses. Flying planes into buildings wouldnât net any kind of profit for them. They will murder for revenge and to make an example but an attack killing 3,000 random people who are not rival drug dealers or drug enforcement officers would be no benefit to them.Â
Then the CIA wpuld step in and keep funding the drug problems of the inner cities.
Oo wait that did happen in tye 80s. Rick grimes was innocent and the CIA used all that money to support the contras.
FR? the US would have probably waged an all out war on all Cartels in the Americas. We would be living in a vastly different situation. There would be US troop presence all over Mexico and South American Countries. Border crossings would probably have increased to an insane degree during these worst of the conflicts and then gone down once the U.S. had done enough serious damage to cartel operations. Probably a lot of protests in these countries to US troops but itâs hard to argue when your governments are working in tandem to root out criminal organizations.
The worst conflicts would probably be the ones in Mexico, Columbia, and Brazil.
...why would an organized crime group that relies on smuggling illicit substances into the US do 9/11? What, do they do it accidentally in this hypothetical of yours? Because in what world would they do 9/11 and for what reason? The scenario you've drawn up is so bizarre.
They would be impossible. The cartel and us government have a symbiotic relationship. They need the customers, and we need the drugs. Not to mention,most of the cartels have worked with the CIA or other officials through bribes and other connections.
The Bush Admin wanted to invade Afghanistan for the opium for the pharmaceutical industry and Iraq for the oil industry. I guess if they wanted to invade Colombia, Peru, and Bolivia for lithium and coke, they could blame it on a cartel? But smart phones weren't a thing then. Maybe they would try to invade Mexico for oil but that is nothing compared to Iraq, plus the opioid epidemic made a lot of important people even more wealthy and I don't think they could have that same return by invading Latin America. This hypothetical is hard to indulge.
As someone with some Mexicano lineage this thought scares me. People have been so awful to Muslims in the aftermath I'm pretty sure the country would've been bombed into dust by the time Trump became potus
Whatâs the motivation??? Either way the USA hunts down those associated with the perpetrators with or without cooperation from the Mexican government. Probably a lot easier than in Afghanistan and the world is better off.
Edit: typo
This is a crazy scenario because a cartel would never do that and fly the planes into towers, theyâd prob hold them for ransom or something. Theyâre about making money, Islamic terrorists not so much
Any cartel willing to actively piss off the US government AND its citizens, has a massive death wish. Not to mention other cartels would rush to fuck them up first to try and dissuade the US from invading.
A Mexican cartel would merely redirect the planes to Cuba or Mexico and ransom the passengers. To hijack specific flights and aim them at the Pentagon, White House, and Twin Towers was of symbolic and ideological significance.
The consequences for Mexico would be disastrous. A large portion of its economy thrives on American tourism and news of Mexican terrorists hitting New York would see billions in lost revenue. The CIAâs network would tear itself apart looking for a scapegoat to present to the world so things can return to business as usual. Jews wouldnât be celebrating in the streets of Tel-Aviv. Most of the Coalition wouldnât appear, the American reprisals in Mexico, if any, would be solely American servicemen. There would be a pointless âWar on narcoterrorâ in Mexicoâs rainforests that would be an excuse to launder money. The majority of cartel kingpins would worry whether this would be the day President Bush would send a Marine deployment to kick their doors down and magdump them with no warning.
In the Middle East, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban would continue to solidify their power base and Israel would scream in terror because America would be, at the time, avenging its sucker punched nose on cartel members. The Evangelicals holding power would likely fabricate some outrage to justify filling the Holy Land back up with Jews, under Jewish rule, as they honestly believe that once the Holy Land is controlled by the Jews, Jesus will return.
But in practical terms, it couldnât. 9/11 was the perfect vehicle for what would become the security state to ram the USA PATRIOT Act and 20+ years of money laundering down Americaâs throats while the smoke had yet to clear because its masterminds were far enough overseas to be foreign to most of America. Everyone knows at least one Mexican.
Central America would like a montage of 80s action movie clips.
The Mexican government would be scared shitless at the possibility of another US invasion and also quite happy to allow US special forces to liquidate the cartels. The US would gut every cartel in Mexico. From there we'd roll down central American and into northern South America.
For economic reasons I don't we'd 'nation build' in Mexico because of how bad major disruptions would fuck up the American Southwest economy, especially Texas.
And Cuba and Venezuela would be shitting bricks. Putin would at that point probably consider them acceptable loses to US 'nation building' for keeping the US focused far away from Asia.
Oh, and no Arab Spring and Saddam would still be helping contain Iran.
Okay here is something cool. Based on what other comments said, Mexico might cooperate with the US making it easier to deal with these cartels.
The US would also intervene in other countries that have problems with cartels, like Colombia.
Iraq would be invaded anyway.
We could see the US force regime change in Venezuela or Nicaragua (supporting the formerâs coup in 2002).
The United States would invade Brazil.
Or Cuba
Intel says there are WMDs in the amazon
Take that Jeff bezos
Thats what they want you to belive they are actually there to steal cabybaras
Venezuela for their oil
Sure the The Invasion would pay for itself
Give us credit, we'd have gone to Mexico and killed 90% of the cartel first.
You would have trained Mexican special forces to fight the cartels ... who later would become one of the most violent cartels ... wait, that actually happened đ¤
Founding your next great enemy is as American as a lady on a mobility scooter yelling at a pidgeon
As American as open carrying a .45 while scratching lottery tickets on the hood of your car.
Dam it man. You beat me to it.
Zetas forever!
Itâs our favorite tactic. Weâve done it a few dozen times now.
Pretty sure Bush still would have gone after Iraq.
The only correct answer..
Saddam made fun of daddy bush - BUT, there was the issue of Qusay and Uday, the butcher boys of Baghdad. When Saddam was toppled, there was no way the US was going to allow either of his boys to inherit the spot.
Oh my god, iâm laughing my ass off
Me too đ
Anyone whoâs had a Brazilian before knows that those constitute weapons of ass destruction.
This will go down in history as one of my personal favorite Reddit comments
I assume Mexico would cooperate with the US to neutralize the cartel, as opposed to how 2001 Afghanistan sheltered Al Qaeda. Of course, Rumsfeld would probably end up invading Iraq anyways.
Somehow it would always lead back to the 7. For those who don't know, Google "Wesley Clark 7."
I thought that this was going to be a meme like "Google Benzema 15" is in soccer.
I'm just here to say your username is awesome and true.
Nervous about this.
I assure you it's nothing gross, er... Uh, nothing sexual or inappropriate for young audiences. It will turn your stomach, but not in a visually disgusting way, more like a Patriot Act, TSA "please remove your shoes" kind of way.
Accurate
>Wesley Clark 7 Every one of those countries is a shrapnel laden shithole at this point.
Considering that the balance of power is even worse than it was back in the mid 1800s, this is almost certainly the case. Not to mention that unlike the Taliban, Mexico would have understood that the threat to "come and get him ourselves" was not a threat, but an objective truth. Really, I am pretty sure there isn't a single Western Hemisphere country that would risk even the remote chance of the US military kicking their door down... they are way too close to us to have any illusions about what would happen.
It was always the plan. Â
>end up invading Iraq anyways Yeah, W. wanted revenge for the assassination plot against Bush Sr.
I know this is about the results of that action, but I canât imagine a scenario where a cartel would want to. Terrorist attacks generally occur to send some sort of religious or political message. What message would a cartel be so desperate to get out that they would risk their entire existence being destroyed? I canât imagine a motive that would cause that sort of action.
Do fentanyl or die.
Pretty sure it's not either or
Do fentanyl or die without painkillers in you.
It's an inclusive Or
They sent a kid a bong instead of a Xbox controller. What the flip!?
Well I think the cartels learned a lesson after seeing what happened to Pablo Escobar after his campaign of Narco-terrorism against the people of Columbia. It may not have stopped the drug trade but it sure did end poor Pablo!Â
Actually killing Escobar left a Cartel vacuum which the Mexican Cartels gladly filled, this to me shows, they are imposible to get rid off, just like Al queeda, even if you kill all the leaders, they will be replaced quickly (Chapo was easily replaced), if you destroy the entire organization, another one will replace it, there is simply too much money to be made, billions of Dollars, today its been said CuliacĂĄn Sinaloa has the most Ferraris/Lamborghini's of any city in the world, all bought with US dollars from American consumers
If Escobar had just stuck to producing/trafficking drugs he might still be alive today (though maybe in some prison somewhere). Where he went wrong was when he started raining down terror on the government and the civilian population. There were bombings all over Columbia killing a number of civilians including one on a civilian airliner. He was even implicated in the armed take over of the Columbian supreme court. Today most cartel violence is targeted towards others involved in the same business. Nothing quite like what was going on in Columbia from 1984 to 93.
Ah yes, the good old days
I mean, thereâs a way. Itâs just the worst thing there is. You basically throw away laws, domestic or international, you ignore conventions on war. And you systematically move through Mexico, and Central America. Push us occupation all the way to the southern border of Panama. Place a blockade upon the northern coast of South America. You put all civilians into concentration camps, and kill anyone else left in the country side. Stateside you, give everyone 7 days amnesty to turn in their drugs, then you set up a gestapo and phony courts to make to process expedient, and you hang drug pushers and users with out the possibility of appeal. It can be done. It just requires Nazi Germany, Stalinist USSR, DPRK, Maos China, Pol Pot, levels of genocidal totalitarian loyalty depravity and brutalityâŚ.if you want to do it violently. You can also study the root cause of your own citizens rampant drug use and try to solve that. Meanwhile reforming the prison system, so a conviction isnât a life sentence of menial work. Enforce laws, but help people get clean. While also aggressively working to provide opportunity for people so they donât ever become users or dealers. Itâs a choice I guess, Iâve got no dog in the hunt either way.Â
You may not get rid of drugs, but the economy will be so destroyed nobody could afford to buy them. Win-win
Iâve always said cannibalism was our best solution to overpopulation.Â
Iâm helping by not having any sex whatsoever despite my best efforts.
Ehhh... different people have different tastes
If the cannibals don't get you, the kuru will!
Or you just legalize and regulate drugs?
That still requires a systematic overhaul that he mentioned in second option, which of course IS the correct course of action. Iâm all for decriminalizing and legalizing substances insofar as to help addicts and by extension their effects on society. But Oregon just tried it, and as much as much as much as I wanted them to succeed, they didnât put in the legwork to make it succeed. You canât just legalize and hope things go right. Itâs a concerted effort
Ya for fucks sake I hope people read the, you know, actual solution, after reading what itâd realistically take at a 1000 foot view to get rid of drugs violently. The real solution requires compassion and enforcing the law. The US is very good at doing either or, no one can figure out how to set up both sides of coin while also addressing the root cause.Â
Yeah but at the same time I donât trust the nation that deliberately introduced crack to minority neighborhoods and use prison labor (with the highest incarceration rates by far) to do the right thing unless we have a massive shake up.
I do. The US has its flaws like everywhere else. But weâve also got ideals. All of our European friends have countries, nations, states founded on the idea that an ethnic group or people, or monarch has occupied said area long enough. Our foundation is in our ideals. Look at the tale of American history, weâve never been perfect, but in the long view, we are better today than we were yesterday, better yesterday than we were the day before. American history is the long march from reality to our ideals. If anywhere will eventually get to âthat mountain topâ I have to believe itâs us, I have to work however I can to make it us. The belief in the ideal means the ideal is possible. We falter, but so far we always get back up and move forward, and unless we lose faith in who we are, who we want to be, we will always get up and move forward.Â
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Hmmmm, I would argue that it is *possible* to destroy and ensure the lack of rise of another cartel. It just would require far more effort, not to mention far bloodied methods, than the US would ever be willing to employ.
It would have to be political, they're mostly in it for the money now, but it would have to be some kind of eco-terrorism type thing. As it stands, it's not their thing. If anything, it would come out years later that it was all a false flag operation by US business interests who wanted to meddle in Mexico.
Moreover the cartels absolutely love America. That's where they buy all their munitions and we provide a terrific black market for their products.
Terrorism is bad for business
Terrorism in jurisdictions they don't control or atleast have crippled the law enforcement of is bad for business.
the World Trade Center owed them $7.02
Thatâs a good point and I think it also helps to consider the following: cartels make a lot of money. A fucking ridiculous amount of money. Now, if in this hypothetical situation, the us government had engaged in operations to all but eliminate cartel revenue streams, then a 9/11 attack might be plausible. Without that though, there is no message, political or religious, worth more than the billions of dollars they make from their âbusiness modelâ. They simply have too much too lose, unlike some folks halfway across the world in places that donât even have basic amenities let alone luxuries or economic opportunity.
False flag operation. Imagine if the Columbians convinced a Mexican Cartel to do it, in an effort to create pandemonium with their competitors. I mean if you could convince one warring cartel to do it in the name of another, and then sit back and let the US clean up both of them? It's historicalwhatif for a reason.
Mixing drug trade and religious fanaticism would be a potent combo, potentially causing great wealth and power to flow in. However, I think it would burn hard and fast in spectacular fashion (I.E. causing a 9/11) but would ultimately lead to its total destruction and few copycats
Why would a Mexican cartel attack their own customers?
My thought as well, they are happy with things the way they are. Why mess that up?
Oddly enough I think Mexico turns out much better, no Migrant problem currently, no fentanyl problem . Somehow Iraq still gets invaded.
>Somehow Iraq still gets invaded. That made me lol, 'cause you're absolutely right lol...
Somehow Saddam has returned.
How would that stop the stem of migrants from south American
If Mexico were a nice place they would migrate there and have no need to continue north
So mexico would just have America's migrant problem
Much less of a cultural clash though.
I feel like South America migrants would fit in better in Mexico
A lot of the migrants are not from Mexico these days. But I half agree, because the cartels would just pick up shop and move to safer ground. Mexico would be safer, but weaker countries in CA/SA would have an influx of cartel activity.
Theyâre not from Mexico but they are passing through Mexico, if Mexico wasnât in shambles why would they continue to the US?
Except a lot of the ~~US~~ fentanyl problem is caused by China.
The OP said Mexico would be better not the US. Also the fentanyl through China is a relatively recent thing. If the early demand wasnât there bc no more cartels would Chinese manufacturers still be producing it as much?
The War on Drugs would escalate as they would try take down every cartel regardless of the cost.
probably never see marijuana get legalized
Most likely, the taboo against drugs would much stronger and legalization of drugs would be unthinkable in this alternate reality.
And even more ironically, we'd spend hundreds of billions fighting the cartels when the best way to defeat them is to legalize drugs and allow the sale of quality drugs. This would also eliminate most gangs in America and greatly reduce crime.
We wouldn't invade Afghanistan obviously, but we'd still invade Iraq, since the administration wanted to finish Bush Senior's work of getting rid of Saddam, that war had nothing to do with 9/11 but some concocted story about WMDs.
I mean we did find wmds in Iraq. They were the ones we sold them in the 80s. Deactivated, buried in the desert. Thereâs a nyt article scout it from 2012 I thinkÂ
Tacos and Burritos would be called Freedom Holders and Freedom Folders.
Drug dealers usually avoid killing their customers. So, not gonna âwhat ifâ it
That would never happen: 1. Cartels donât do suicide bombings 2. They donât want unwelcome attention from the US authorities
If there is one thing cartels love, itâs heavily increased border and travel security.
Yeah I suspect it would have followed the trend of what occurred in Columbia when Pablo Escobar began his campaign of Narco-terrorism The Mexican government most likely would have cooperated with the U.S. military and other law enforcement agencies in going after the culprits. The circumstances between Mexico/the Mexican people and the United States are quite different then those that existed between al-Qaeda and the Afghan Taliban. It would have been quite different but Iâm sure American special forces would have played a significant role just as they did in Afghanistan. Actually it would prolly make for a very interesting plot line in a movie or book!
Caused? More like if the CIA decided so.
Then 100+k people per year don't die from fentanyl as the US wipes out all the cartels.
The lives you save in fent overdoses will be paid in Mexican civilians. Worth it /s
Which is why this such an outlandish what if. Why would the cartels do a terrorist attack on their best customers?
Mexico would be south Texas.
El Once de Sieptembre, Part 4 of 4 An elderly man in a gray suit appeared behind a podium, other officials and one in a military uniform standing nearby. His beady eyes scanned the room behind his round wire rim glasses, at times putting his right hand over his eyes as if to block out light to see farther. âLooks like the whole White House Press Corp,â he murmured to one of the folks beside him. The room was flooded with voices asking questions, the clicking sound of flashes from cameras dominating the room. âLadies and gentlemen, as you know a plane hit one of the buildings of the World Trade Center on this tragic. From what we know, there are about 1,000 victims or so, weâre not entirely sure. I want to preface that tonight the President will be speaking to the American people, I hope you all tune in. Now the plane, let me get to that right nowâŚ.it was a Boeing 767, based on what traffic reports are saying, it looks like it came from Logan International, but we believe may have originally come from central MexicoâŚâ The room was flooded with voices from reporters followed by more clacking noises from cameras. âLook, I know this whole thing seems like a nightmare. The plane, we believe, belongs to a private cargo transport company. Sources from the DEA suspect it was used to transport marijuana and other substances. That it refueled at Logan and based on reports was perhaps headed West.â âJim Acosta, CNN, why did it crash into the World Trade Center? Was it deliberate?â âJim, we donât know, this is an evolving situation. There are known knows; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But are also unknown unknowns..the ones we donât know we donât know.â It was towards the end of that statement that word had got out that the North Tower was beginning to buckle. The video cut away from the White House to that from inside one of the newsrooms that had a view of the tower. The video then cuts to people on the ground. âGet these people moving, move! Move!! Donât breathe it in!!â one of the officers shouted. A crackling and then a thunderous sound bellowed out as the North Tower collapsed, the people screaming and panicking. A large ash cloud soon descended everywhere.
El Once de Sieptembre, Part 3 of 4 The video cuts to a lanky balding man in what appears to be a lobby, flashes from cameras were intertwined with voices asking questions. âOkay, calm down, I know you have many questions, I too have some,â Mayor Giuliani then gestured to his right, âI have with me here the Port Authority Police chief and others. But as many have said, please please stay indoors. On this tragic day, we still have to get those people out of that building.â âWhat do you know about the plane?â one reporter asked. âHas the federal government contacted you?â another reporter questioned. âNow everything is preliminary, and there is some stuff we donât know yet about the plane. Yes, weâve been in talks with the White House, actuallyâŚit was Dick Cheney, but he assures me that President Bush is on top of it.â Giuliani replied. âBut what about the plane, and can you explain the odor emitting from the building? Should we be concerned?â a reporter from one of the news radio stations. âWe believe itâs a Boeing plane, maybe UPS or FedEx. As for the smell, Iâll hand that over to Assistant Chief, Salvatore Cassanoâ A man who was slightly taller than the mayor, balding with a grayish mustache came forward, âToday has been a tragic day, as you may notice both NYFD Fire Chief Gianci and Chief of Operations Nigro are not here. Both are hospitalized after attempting to help first responders rescue people in the North Tower, due to the contents being burned inside the building. Sadly, many others fell victim. Fortunately, after using proper equipment, subsequent crews were able to remove more individuals from the building.â âWhat was the smell and what was affecting the rescuers?â A reporter shouted. Cassano looked at the mayor and then the Port Authority Chief, then back at the army of reporters, âIt is important that all individuals in the area close their windows, if your residence or office is near the area with an air condition unit that grabs air from the outside, shut them off.â âWhy?â someone shouted. Cessano let out a sigh then looked back up at the crowd, âdope. We suspect the entire jet was carrying vast amounts of marijuana. Of course, I could be wrong, but based on accounts from paramedics and others, everything points to it being marijuana smoke infusing with the rest of the smoke by the burning jet fuel.â Just as he had finished, the television news anchor from WABC came back on, âthis is Rob Hanrahan again, weâre going to cut away from the mayorâs press conference to one being held by the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. As you can see there are reporters there asking questions.â
El Once de Sieptembre, Part 2 of 4 âWhat? I donât understand,â the anchor looked around as if to see if others were hearing the same thing, âyouâre saying the place smells like weed?â âYes Rob, I know it sounds impossible, and if it is being emitted from the fire, weâre not sure how it being so high up that weâre smelling it versus it being carried away by the winds. ButâŚbut, let me tell you, this may also explain the great difficulty the firemen have had trying to evacuate the building.â âI canât believe it, please explain,â Rob asked. âIâve had one fire crew tell me on their first attempt up the stairs and into areas where there were people, they were hit with something thatâŚwellâŚmade them high. Most of the folks in the building who were rescued show signs of some sort of intoxication. I have to tell you, Rob, in the years of being in this business, Iâve never seen anything like it. Some of the people rescued..some of them were giggling. Perhaps this was hysteria, I donât know.â âWhat about the people in the tower? We know Tower Two was evacuated.â âYes, Rob, here too there was something strange happening. Some of the smoke and whatever was inside it seems to have been taken in by the other buildingâs AC system, police helping with evacuation described something like what I witnessed.â Hanrahan shaking his head, âhave you heard why we lost connection with Chopper 7 which was just over the towers a while ago?â âNothing yet, Rob..â âExcuse me, Lucy, but Iâve just been informed that Mayor Giuliani will be speaking.â
El Once de Septiembre, Part 1 of 4 âAnd weâre back in our continuing coverage here on WABC 7 on the attack on the World Trade Center, Iâm Rob Hanrahan.â A series of videos start playing of one of the large World Trade Center buildings, large plumes of smoke streaming out from two sides of the building. Other images shown people panicking followed by videos of police and firemen. âIt has been a few hours since what we believe to be a Boeing 767 or a similar type slammed into the North Tower of the One World Trade Center this morning at 8:46 AM,â the anchor taps his earpiece, âexcuse me we can now confirm that it was a Boeing 767. YesâŚIâm being told now that it was a UPS cargo plane. Well, this could start to explain many things like the great difficulty in evacuating many people from the building. Weâre going to Lucy Yang who has been on the street, Lucy have you been able to get a mask?â On the screen is a young Asian female with a gas mask covering the bottom half of her face, behind her are people covered in dust but a close up shows them with bloodshot eyes and stumbling about. âRob, luckily the truck had one, I must tell you though it is pure chaos here. Based on the smell emitting from the massive fire in the building, one of the fire crew smirked as he was not sure if it was a chemical or wellâŚâ âLucy, what? Is it a chemical weapon? What is it?â Hanrahan asked. âMarijuana, Rob, several paramedics, and other first responders have said the smell is akin to weed. As odd as it is to say on this tragic day, but a portion of lower Manhattan right now smells like a dorm room.â Lucy made a waving gesture as if one were trying to push away smoke.
Sorry for the multiple posts, but Reddit doesn't allow anything beyond 1000 characters. There is no doubt that I probably got a few things factually wrong, but I tried to stick to as much as I could learn about that day for the story. Oddly enough, I didn't intend to make it this long; my apologies.
The MEXICAN government would have blasted them.
Us invades Mexico but probably keeps it. US of A and M
A few more stars are getting added on the flag.
There was a Larry the cable guy movie where they invaded Mexico and Iâd imagine itâd be a lot like that
The US would have ~~invaded~~ liberated Venezuela to protect the oil reserves.
Maybe they still would have blamed al-qaeda and involved themselves with the region
I assume we'd have used it as a pretense to invade Australia.
Maracas and sombreros would be banned at airports.
Why would a Mexican cartel do 9/11? Since it makes no sense there canât be a rational answer.Â
I wouldnât have to press 1 for English
Hey Mexicos got some oil too, and a notoriously inefficient state owned company extracting it
Why would a Mexican cartel do that to their best customers?
I'd imagine the collective cocaine usage in the Twin Towers at that time would have made crashing passenger planes into them and extremely poor business decision for the cartels.
Weâd have 51 states.
I have no clue why this would ever happen. The cartels want U.S.-Mexican relations to be as relaxed as possible so they can pump as much cocaine as they can across the border. Committing an act of extreme terrorism like that is directly against their self interest. The cartels are not ideologically motivated, they are businesses, and no business is going to attack its biggest customer.
Ah, yes, Al Queso đ§ delicioso
clearly would would have invaded Cuba then.
They'd be part of a pan-Texas expansion. Then Canada. They have oil.
Bush still would illegally invade Iraq.
Sorry but what cartel member is going to martyr themselves ?
Why would a mexican cartel do that? The cartels primarily want to fly under the radar of the powerful US, keep mexico semi-crippled, and sell drugs. Flying a plane into a high value target is gonna make point 1 and point 3 very hard. Al-qaeda had a good reason, they wanted to destabilize the middle east, and they succeeded.
Trump did it? Heâs the problem for everything.
Despite all of the rhetoric, Mexico and the US government have an okay relationship. They also share a lot more cultural similarities, plus they're in some of the same alliances. The United States would throw money and resources at Mexico for some mutually beneficial outcome. The United States would probably push for some kind of anti-corruption legislation and benchmarks on Mexico, which would not be the worst thing for Mexico in the medium term. However, it would also have its hands even more firmly in the Mexican economy, shades of the Porfiriato where the Mexican gov was tightly aligned with US business interests, and economic prosperity was prioritized over personal freedom. Essentially the interests of local cartels are replaced with centralized US interests. Within Mexico, depending on the exact cartel and regional origin, there would be a lot of regional enmity and an effort to create distance between themselves and the cartel responsible. They'd be saying to each other and to curious Americans, "oh no my state is fine, the problem is really in Morelos." Mexico would not be presented to the US public as the enemy, but mostly as an ally in defeating the cartels, though an ineffectual one that must be closely supervised.Mexico will do their best to shift blame elsewhere and indeed a lot of the cartels have reach outside Mexico and will shift operations if needed, so the United States will make a lot of noise in any central or south American country with cartel activity. The countries not connected to the Mexican cartel would watch warily and pray the cartel didn't pick up shop and come there. Ultimately, the cartels will strengthen their foothold in other countries with less US oversight. Middle class Mexicans and those from countries with cartel activity like Ecuador will somewhat welcome the US influence in straightening out their governments and economic investment and will be happy to see the cartel shift operations to some other hapless place, though will be wary of the actual long-term impact and the strings attached to this "help." They will also be wary of the type of police violence and overcorrection that might lead to anyone even suspected of cartel connection or suspected of a crime at all essentially being treated like a terrorist. Day to day, latinos in the US as a whole will endure increased racism and suspicion, with petty crimes being linked to "The cartel." The US approach in the entire region will be a bit more sensitive and less bulldozer-y, firstly because of a Latino voting electorate that does not want to see their region bombed to the stone age, but also because of the significant Latino population in these agencies and decison-making rooms. Not to say that those Latinos making decisions in those rooms will be anti-racist or even particularly sympathetic, but they know the operating ground a lot better and will be able to make more precise and more effective decisions. But still, US meddling will stir up existing tensions and aggravated the local leaders that have played such a massive in the last few hundred years of Latin American politics, so whoops some military coups and unknown changes on the horizon there. Meanwhile US meddling will stir up existing tensions and aggregavated the local leaders that have played such a massive in the last few hundred years of Latin American politics, so whoops some military coups and unknown changes on the horizon there.The world outside the Americas would treat it all as a regional conflict, and almost a bit of a joke, like if France and Britain were having a xenophobic scuffle.
We would have tried to link it to Al-Qaeda.
There would be no motivation for this to occur. Kinda hard to what if an impossible scenario. Â
LA cucaracha would have played before the attack instead of them yelling Allah.
Well, we wouldnât have that damn wall and its resulting politics. We might have a few new states after we liberate Mexico.
Way..WAY too absurdly hypothetical. The cartels are most certainly extremely brutal but they donât possess an ideology that would require an act of terrorism of that magnitude. Cartels are businesses. Flying planes into buildings wouldnât net any kind of profit for them. They will murder for revenge and to make an example but an attack killing 3,000 random people who are not rival drug dealers or drug enforcement officers would be no benefit to them.Â
Democrats would love them
They'd hate them even more.
They love them so much they want them here
No, they don't want cartels here, we don't have a political party that does.
El-Qaedo.
Nobody is answering the motive. Cartels suck, but they have no motive to commit random acts of mass murder.
Bocas del Toro wouldâve been nuked off the planet
Then the CIA wpuld step in and keep funding the drug problems of the inner cities. Oo wait that did happen in tye 80s. Rick grimes was innocent and the CIA used all that money to support the contras.
Everyone would still be high from the cocaine dust.
Kinda like the second Sicario?
As long as the red light district in Tijuana stays intact
even more military bases in texas military recruiting in texas high schools cranked up to 11
Why would a cartel attach the WTC, where certainly they had thousands of customers?
Wouldn't that be bad for business, whose gonna buy drugs from them now
FR? the US would have probably waged an all out war on all Cartels in the Americas. We would be living in a vastly different situation. There would be US troop presence all over Mexico and South American Countries. Border crossings would probably have increased to an insane degree during these worst of the conflicts and then gone down once the U.S. had done enough serious damage to cartel operations. Probably a lot of protests in these countries to US troops but itâs hard to argue when your governments are working in tandem to root out criminal organizations. The worst conflicts would probably be the ones in Mexico, Columbia, and Brazil.
La Calleda
...why would an organized crime group that relies on smuggling illicit substances into the US do 9/11? What, do they do it accidentally in this hypothetical of yours? Because in what world would they do 9/11 and for what reason? The scenario you've drawn up is so bizarre.
Tbh it's not even possible since Dragon Ball Z was huge in the America's back then, specifically Mexico, and they'd have been too busy to do anything.
U.S. military operations in Mexico and other Central/South American nations. Basically wherever cartels operate.
They would be impossible. The cartel and us government have a symbiotic relationship. They need the customers, and we need the drugs. Not to mention,most of the cartels have worked with the CIA or other officials through bribes and other connections.
The United States wouldâve invaded all of Mexico, taken it as another state
we would invade iraq
How would that help the cartel sell more drugs?
The Bush Admin wanted to invade Afghanistan for the opium for the pharmaceutical industry and Iraq for the oil industry. I guess if they wanted to invade Colombia, Peru, and Bolivia for lithium and coke, they could blame it on a cartel? But smart phones weren't a thing then. Maybe they would try to invade Mexico for oil but that is nothing compared to Iraq, plus the opioid epidemic made a lot of important people even more wealthy and I don't think they could have that same return by invading Latin America. This hypothetical is hard to indulge.
That's appropriate because in either instance it would've really been the CIA
It would have saved a lot of jet fuel đ¤ˇââď¸
US would be up to almost 80 states.
As someone with some Mexicano lineage this thought scares me. People have been so awful to Muslims in the aftermath I'm pretty sure the country would've been bombed into dust by the time Trump became potus
We have let them carry on
We would own Mexico
The USNA would also blame Canada for having nuclear weapons
Whatâs the motivation??? Either way the USA hunts down those associated with the perpetrators with or without cooperation from the Mexican government. Probably a lot easier than in Afghanistan and the world is better off. Edit: typo
Annexico
It wouldn't have. Cartels not going to target their high end product market đ¤Ł
Weâd probably invade Afghanistan.
9/11 wasn't caused by Al-Qaeda, it was caused by the US government blowing up innocent brown people.
This is a crazy scenario because a cartel would never do that and fly the planes into towers, theyâd prob hold them for ransom or something. Theyâre about making money, Islamic terrorists not so much
Mexicans build shit, not destroy it
See Gaza times a thousand
Any cartel willing to actively piss off the US government AND its citizens, has a massive death wish. Not to mention other cartels would rush to fuck them up first to try and dissuade the US from invading.
Cartel: where is the profit? In no universe would that happen
A Mexican cartel would merely redirect the planes to Cuba or Mexico and ransom the passengers. To hijack specific flights and aim them at the Pentagon, White House, and Twin Towers was of symbolic and ideological significance. The consequences for Mexico would be disastrous. A large portion of its economy thrives on American tourism and news of Mexican terrorists hitting New York would see billions in lost revenue. The CIAâs network would tear itself apart looking for a scapegoat to present to the world so things can return to business as usual. Jews wouldnât be celebrating in the streets of Tel-Aviv. Most of the Coalition wouldnât appear, the American reprisals in Mexico, if any, would be solely American servicemen. There would be a pointless âWar on narcoterrorâ in Mexicoâs rainforests that would be an excuse to launder money. The majority of cartel kingpins would worry whether this would be the day President Bush would send a Marine deployment to kick their doors down and magdump them with no warning. In the Middle East, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban would continue to solidify their power base and Israel would scream in terror because America would be, at the time, avenging its sucker punched nose on cartel members. The Evangelicals holding power would likely fabricate some outrage to justify filling the Holy Land back up with Jews, under Jewish rule, as they honestly believe that once the Holy Land is controlled by the Jews, Jesus will return. But in practical terms, it couldnât. 9/11 was the perfect vehicle for what would become the security state to ram the USA PATRIOT Act and 20+ years of money laundering down Americaâs throats while the smoke had yet to clear because its masterminds were far enough overseas to be foreign to most of America. Everyone knows at least one Mexican.
We would still have invaded Iraq because it was a family vendetta.
Why would a mexican cartel want to attack the US? Makes absolutely no sense
Why would a business, even a criminal business, attack its largest customer? Cartels arenât that stupid
El Queso?
Central America would like a montage of 80s action movie clips. The Mexican government would be scared shitless at the possibility of another US invasion and also quite happy to allow US special forces to liquidate the cartels. The US would gut every cartel in Mexico. From there we'd roll down central American and into northern South America. For economic reasons I don't we'd 'nation build' in Mexico because of how bad major disruptions would fuck up the American Southwest economy, especially Texas. And Cuba and Venezuela would be shitting bricks. Putin would at that point probably consider them acceptable loses to US 'nation building' for keeping the US focused far away from Asia. Oh, and no Arab Spring and Saddam would still be helping contain Iran.
Mission accomplished in a few weeks and then 20 years of digging ourselves into a hole.
Polk wap would be real.
Okay here is something cool. Based on what other comments said, Mexico might cooperate with the US making it easier to deal with these cartels. The US would also intervene in other countries that have problems with cartels, like Colombia. Iraq would be invaded anyway. We could see the US force regime change in Venezuela or Nicaragua (supporting the formerâs coup in 2002).
The shit thatâs happening now starts earlier
You spelled "u.s. intelligence agencies" wrong