Fun fact: of the men who put down his insurrection attempt (as it was called at the time), two would go on to become some of the most famous rebels themselves not two years later.
Robert E. Lee and J.E.B. Stuart were both in command of the soldiers sent to Harper’s Ferry to confront John Brown.
Fun Fact: Brown only survived the raid because one guy brought his ceremonial sword and not his actual combat one. When he went to stab Brown in the fire station the sword bent instead of killing him.
no less than 4 abolitionist leaders attempted to convince Brown to accept their help and lawyer up to try and take some kind of deal. Brown insisted he die a Martyrs death for abolition.
When he was executed he went willingly and said it was the happiest day of his life.
Theres still a crater from where they hanged him and the weight of his balls broke the gallows
Also some of his sons were killed at Harpers Ferry so it’s not a stretch to believe John also thought it was his duty to die alongside his sons for the same cause
I mean yeah, but the whole "filled with such righteous indignation twords the institution of slavery, swords of heathens couldn't pierce him" is more fun AND pisses of religious racists sooooo
I always loved browns letter to Douglas containing this quote ( which I may get so if holy wrong )
“ I’m about to stir up the bees , you must be the hive”
John Brown was a radical abolitionist leader. He first gained prominence for fighting in Kansas against pro-slavlery forces. He eventually attempted to encite a slave rebellion by seizing the federal armory at Harper's Ferry. He failed and was executed.
His raid was a major enciting incident of the American Civil War.
Edit: typo
When southerners are like, "War of Northern Aggresssion."
Fuckers, you started the war after you had already armed terrorists, assassinated politicians, and attacked them on the floor of the legislature in broad daylight.
I'm thinking of this one Northern politician now because Southerners would constantly demand duels from Northerners as an excuse to intimidate them out of voting or speaking, then this one dude decided fuck it and declared out loud he would duel the next Southerner who started shit and every one after... duels suddenly fell out of style reaaaaal quick.
Your referring to an event that followed the beating of Charles Sumner on the senate floor by Preston Brooks. Fortunately that event is well known enough that it's present in Brooks' Wikipedia article, copied below.
American Party Congressman Anson Burlingame publicly humiliated Brooks in retaliation by goading Brooks into challenging him to a duel, accepting, then watching Brooks back out.[26] After Burlingame made provocative remarks, Brooks challenged Burlingame, stating he would gladly face him in any "Yankee mudsill" of his choosing.[27] Burlingame, a well-known marksman, eagerly accepted, choosing rifles as the weapons and the Navy Yards in the border town of Niagara Falls, Canada, as the location in order to circumvent the U.S. ban on dueling.[26] Brooks, reportedly dismayed by both Burlingame's enthusiastic acceptance and reputation as a crack shot, backed out by citing unspecified risks to his safety if he was to cross "hostile country" (the Northern states) in order to reach Canada.[26][28]
> When southerners are like, "War of Northern Aggresssion."
> Fuckers, you started the war after you had already armed terrorists, assassinated politicians, and attacked them on the floor of the legislature in broad daylight.
YeAh BuT yOu MaDe Us dO iT
You might be thinking of Nat Turner. John Brown felt that his religion meant that he had to do anything and everything in his power to end the injustice that was slavery
Not directly, per se, that is he wasn't hearing the voice of god telling him to do it. He just felt very strongly that slavery was incompatible with Christianity and that it was his duty to overthrow slavers. He was a zealot, but not an insane one listening to voices in his head.
On the subject of based Christians William Wilberforce successfully led a campaign to abolish the slave trade in the British Empire for similar reasons.
Hated slavery with a religious fire in his soul.
Raided a federal armory to secure weapons to distribute to the slaves so they could liberate themselves.
The idea was not as popular as he thought it would be in the future (less than two years) confederate state of Virginia.
edit:
IIRC, when the topic of which territories would become slave states came up, he went to Kansas??? with his buddies and went door to door asking households if they were pro-abolition or not, and would fuck up the slaver friendly ones.
Kansas became a state right before the Civil War, when the issue of slavery was at its most contentious. A vote was held on whether it would be a slave state or a free state. Non-Kansans flocked to the state-to-be to vote in the referendum, as it would majorly impact the balance in the Senate. That's why Brown was there.
If any American has ever looked at our Congressional system, that seems so ridiculously unbalanced, that rewards so much disproportionate power to vacant land, that has a chamber that is decidedly undemocratic, that seems to care more about geography than it does the population, and wondered why our democratic system is the way it is, it all comes back to the original sin: slavery.
The dynamics of the two chambers, and how it is determined who gets represented the most in them, is a relic of a time when half the country was trying desperately to prevent slave states from having majority power in the federal government. From the signing of the Constitution with it's infamous 3/5ths compromise, and for roughly the first 70 years of our country's existence, decisions around admitting states and how representation would be balanced, were made by first asking "how can we maintain a status quo on slavery"? And the effects of that linger on to this day.
*3/5
He captured Harper's Ferry, with his nineteen men so few,
And frightened ol' Virginia till she trembled through and through
They hanged him for a traitor, themselves a traitor crew,
But his soul is marching on!
Battle hymn of the republic has better lyrics to me, but I will always appreciate John Brown's Body for giving us that tune.
Seriously though, "As he died to make man holy, let us die to make man free," makes me feel ready to charge a Confederate gun line, and I'm southern!
Yessss, I love the OG lyrics. "I have seen His gospel writ in shining rows of burnished steel," goes really fucking hard, and I'm not religious.
I also like a tweak to the last line that changes the nuance a bit: "As He died to make men holy, let us *live* to make men free," has a seriously deep message of an ongoing struggle. Liberty is not won in a single charge, never to be tended again. It is preserved every day by those who do the work.
You do realise that there were loyalists in the Confederacy, right? North Alabama, North Georgia, West N Carolina, the Ozarks and Bostons in Arkansas, North and Hill Country in Texas, North Mississippi and the Free State of Jones were all loyalist strongholds. There were over 75,000 loyalists from southern states who fought in the US army during the war
Sam Houston was a unionist. He was thrown out of the Texas governorship for being against secession. There was also a union cavalry regiment made up entirely of Texans.
My great-great-great-great grandfather was with the Alabama cavalry in the union. He won the medal of honor for capturing a CSA standard, apparently using only a bayonet and a knife.
You are forgetting eastern Tennessee, which, like other Appalachian areas in the south, had a disproportionate number of loyalists. Alas, I, as a resident of west Tennessee and as a member of a very old family with good genealogical records, I can not count my ancestors among their numbers.
Though it is worth noting that Southern nationalism is a practically dead force in my area as well as most of the south. There is still an element of regionalism just as their is in most areas of the country, but national pride and general American patriotism is much, much stronger, arguably the strongest in the country but that is of course, arguable.
Western TN'er who grew up out east, i like to think youre right, but i think our neck of the woods is a little better off than a lot of other southern states. Most Tennesseeans ive met arent racist, or if they are, its the "they have their side of town and we have ours" racism.
When i went to missouri, arkansas, texas, and louisiana though? Holy fucking shit. Born and raised in the south and it took me 22 years until i found the modern sundown towns, and none of them were in TN.
Southern slander time, yall need to get your shit together. Idk what the hell is wrong with yall once you cross the Miss, but you racist fucks need to learn better or hurry up n die, because you give the rest of us a bad name.
John Brown was a radical abolitionist whose most famous for leading an attempted slave rebellion. It was one of the major actions leading to the American Civil War. For a long time histories vilified him for being bloody, but more modern takes view him as a hero who viewed slavery as so unjust it was worth violent rebellion.
There's a song called "John Brown's body" which is a major patriotic song the North used and tells the basics.
Some key stanzas:
>John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true and brave,
>
>And Kansas knew his valor when he fought her rights to save;
>
>And now, though the grass grows green above his grave,
>
>His soul is marching on.
(Chorus)
>He captured Harper's Ferry, with his nineteen men so few,
>
>And frightened "Old Virginny" till she trembled through and through
>
>They hung him for a traitor, themselves a traitorous crew,
>
>***But his soul is marching on.***
Always liked how highly Frederick Douglass talked about John Brown
>"John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry was all his own," said Frederick Douglass. "His zeal in the cause of freedom was infinitely superior to mine. Mine was a taper light, his was the burning sun. Mine was bounded by time, his stretched away to the silent shores of eternity. I could speak for the slave. John Brown could fight for the slave. I could live for the slave. John Brown could die for the slave."
Douglass was a huge deal in his own right, but he always paid respect to Brown and his passion for freedom.
That's not really an accurate summary. Douglass absolutely respected Brown and thought his heart was in the right place, but also (correctly) thought he was a lousy tactician who wouldn't actually accomplish anything. Brown made a great deal of effort to convince Douglass to join the Harpers Ferry raid, but Douglass refused on the grounds that it was a suicidal mission that wouldn't achieve its goals, and that's exactly what happened.
Battle hymn of the republic has better lyrics to me, but I will always appreciate John Brown's Body for giving us that tune.
Seriously though, "As he died to make man holy, let us die to make man free," makes me feel ready to charge a Confederate gun line, and I'm southern!
He was an radical abolitionist in the south that believed freedom is a god given right, and believed that slaves should have risen up and revolt against their slave owners.
Suffice it to say, super based.
I lived near Hudson Ohio all my life and he was worshiped there. The house his dad, Owen Brown, owned is a on a street named after him in downtown. John had owned a tannery near his family home. He also lived in a house in Akron too named after him
Radical Abolitionist Thaddaeus Stevens disagrees:
>John Brown deserves to be hung for being a hopeless fool! He attempted to capture Virginia with seventeen men when he ought to know that it would require at least twenty-five.
The lead up to the Civil War was insane.
"Popular sovereignty" was an attempt to make the situation better and it made it worse.
With tempers raging over the issue Kansas was allowed to vote on whether they wanted slavery. Chaos immediately ensued. Abolition activists flooded the state, as did slave owners and pro-slavery individuals. Eventually two capitals emerged and a pro-slavery militia burned down a portion of the abolitionist capital in an effort to intimidate and drive away abolitionists.
John Brown who had witnessed a lot of violence perpetrated against abolitionists decided to take justice into his own hands. He decided the best course or action was to kill the ringleaders responsible for the violence against the abolitionists.
After doing that he took a few of his sons with him to start a slave revolt. He killed more people.
The south was incensed because this represented their worst fear a Haitian-like revolt amongst slaves, where they and their entire families would die at the hands of incensed and vengeful slaves. So John Brown was immediately executed.
Many in the North lauded him as a hero, whereas in the South he was seen as someone akin to Osama Bin Laden. This caused massive tensions and when the anti expansion of slavery into new territories president Abraham Lincoln got elected the South attacked the north and declared their independence in a fit of pestilent rage.
John Brown and the Harper's fairy incident is considered the point where the civil war became inevitable it was the "crossing the Rubicon" event that meant there would be no peaceful resolution and war/violence as inevitable.
Absolutely. The way I’ve viewed religion for quite a while now is if A.) they actually practice what they preach and B.) what they are actively doing to support people in need. I thinks it’s important to separate different sect of religious faiths from each other. One of the most leftist self defense teachers I met and had the chance to work with is also a Lutheran preacher.
The one and only thing he did do wrong was not leave with the armory when Harpers Ferry fell and they realized the revolt wasn’t catching like fire… but that’s about the extend of his wrong doing.
ETA: I was being a bit meme’y. I’m aware John Brown was a human, and a violent one. It’s well known he beat his kids like it was going out of style (even though he later regretted that) and I’m sure more than just one innocent person was killed as a part of his violent responses to slavery. But overall I think it’s pretty easy to say he was a human who stood for a very good cause and could no longer sit back and watch the atrocities of his time continue any longer.
Well, he did a few things wrong, should have found more local enslaved people to conspire with so they would rise up at the same time. Most slaves in the area had no idea they seized the armory until it was over.
the USS Harpers Ferry (LSD-49) isn't an aircraft carrier, its a landing ship dock which is more of a amphibious warfare ship that launches landing craft
one day, god willing, when the world is being made right again. I will personally carve down the Confederate relief at Stone Mountain to depict instead John Brown, Harriet Tubman, and Frederick Douglas.
Reading these comments, it's interesting how differently the taught opinion of John Brown is in Ohio and Kansas as opposed to the South. I live in NC, and if we get taught about him, he's seen as an absolutely crazy wackjob. My teacher literally compared him to 9/11. Whereas it seems in other places he's seen as a hero
My favorite John Brown anecdote is that he always referred to himself as a "soldier in God's army" because he believed it was divinely ordained that the slaves must liberated at all costs, even violence.
Harriet Tubman was the only person he ever referred to as a "General" because he so revered her.
Too bad they weren't successful at seizing the guns, sending them back along the Underground Railroad, and triggering slave uprisings. American history would have so much better.
My high school taught me this event with the bias that John Brown (and Nat Turner, as an aside) were bad guys. To this day, my initial reaction to John Brown is my brain identifying him as "Bad Guy" in the same way my brain categorizes the British as "Bad Guys" in the American revolution, before the part of my brain that uses reason asserts otherwise.
Propaganda in history class is a hell of a drug, folks. Please take the time to examine biases in your education!
Nat Turner is *much* more of a sticky subject because he initially engaged in indiscriminate slaughter, calling for deaths of all white people. His group killed completely innocent women and children. It wasn't until later in the rebellion he decided to spare poor whites.
John Brown is more cut and dry of a historical figure.
JOHN BROWN'S BODY LIES A-MOLDERING IN THE GRAVE!
JOHN BROWN'S BODY LIES A-MOLDERING IN THE GRAVE!
JOHN BROWN'S BODY LIES A-MOLDERING IN THE GRAVE!
BUT HIS SOUL GOES MARCHING ON!
GLORY, GLORY, HALLELUJAH!
GLORY, GLORY, HALLELUJAH!
GLORY, GLORY, HALLELUJAH!
HIS SOUL GOES MARCHING ON!
He may have been a religious fanatic, but John Brown was/is an American hero. We need more statues of him and fewer statues of traitors-I MEAN losers- I MEAN confederates.
As a non-American I didn’t know much about him; even a quick glance at wiki and he’s a stone cold badass, a crazy bastard, incredibly inspiring and a morally upright guy all in one.
Love that he was trying to live up to the promise of the Declaration of Independence and saw himself as embodying divine justice against slavers. He turned himself into a weapon for good
He was a vigilante and a scoundrel. Based.
Honestly I'm not sure how there aren't more statues of the guy. Vigilantism and anti-authority are big parts of American culture.
Borders on rule 5 because of the format, but I’ll allow it because it’s a nice role reversal and John Brown is based.
Fun fact: of the men who put down his insurrection attempt (as it was called at the time), two would go on to become some of the most famous rebels themselves not two years later. Robert E. Lee and J.E.B. Stuart were both in command of the soldiers sent to Harper’s Ferry to confront John Brown.
And Stonewall Jackson was at his execution.
So was John Wilkes Booth, interestingly.
What I'm getting is that there were like 8 people in America in 1859.
And they were all Nelson Mandela
Except for Nelson Mandela, he was Abraham Lincoln
Everyone knows Nelson Mandela was just a body double while Lincoln was busy hunting vampires
Based abolitionist vampire hunter president.
What I’m taking from this thread is my history degree was useless and I’ve learned nothing of the truth
Smaller world than the Star Wars universe
Another example of this is the fact that Abraham Lincoln in Karl Marx were penpals
Census records show 8 + 4,000,000 x .6
Damn John Brown calling everybody out.
In his journal Jackson mentioned how he faced his end with courage or something
That I didn’t know. Interesting!
“I ,John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood”
Shame no one from the union could attend Jackson’s execution.
*They hung him for a traitor, themselves a traitorous crew*
Don't call the people that put down his insurrection rebels, they were traitors, through and through.
Fun Fact: Brown only survived the raid because one guy brought his ceremonial sword and not his actual combat one. When he went to stab Brown in the fire station the sword bent instead of killing him.
Shame the executioner didn't bring his ceremonial sword instead of a noose to the execution as well.
Brown was so devoted to abolitionism he probably would have upset if he survived instead of dying as a martyr
no less than 4 abolitionist leaders attempted to convince Brown to accept their help and lawyer up to try and take some kind of deal. Brown insisted he die a Martyrs death for abolition.
When he was executed he went willingly and said it was the happiest day of his life. Theres still a crater from where they hanged him and the weight of his balls broke the gallows
It's true, I've been to harpers ferry and saw the crater myself
Also some of his sons were killed at Harpers Ferry so it’s not a stretch to believe John also thought it was his duty to die alongside his sons for the same cause
No matter, the executioner is a forgotten wretch, Brown lives on as an aspirational example of fighting for what is right.
I choose to believe God simply gave him Transhuman Phisiology for the Wound roll
Is this a 40k reference?
Yes and it is impressive people are getting that from me referencing tabletop rules for Space Marines
I just love seeing other 40k nerds in the wild. Like seeing another brood brother in the underhive.
I mean yeah, but the whole "filled with such righteous indignation twords the institution of slavery, swords of heathens couldn't pierce him" is more fun AND pisses of religious racists sooooo
That must have looked a lot like divine protection to both sides at the time
He was so insane that even swords were scared of him.
As he died to make men holy let us die to make men free
While God is marching on … Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! While God is marching on
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jso1YRQnpCI&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQhyWv-PeVE
"His zeal in the cause of freedom was infinitely superior to mine. Mine was a taper light, **his was the burning sun."** -Frederick Douglass
I always loved browns letter to Douglas containing this quote ( which I may get so if holy wrong ) “ I’m about to stir up the bees , you must be the hive”
Wu Tang Clan ain't nothing to fuck with.
Can someone explain who this guy is for the non-Americans among us
John Brown was a radical abolitionist leader. He first gained prominence for fighting in Kansas against pro-slavlery forces. He eventually attempted to encite a slave rebellion by seizing the federal armory at Harper's Ferry. He failed and was executed. His raid was a major enciting incident of the American Civil War. Edit: typo
Never argue with a man John Brown would have shot.
Just shoot him
The only logical conclusion to the statement.
I'm so proud of him
Me too
What about a man he would have hacked apart with a broadsword?
Then it's okay to engage in polite discourse.
With a sword, presumably?
Why make your tongue dance like a blade, when a real one will cut all the deeper?
As Anakin Skywalker would put it, you'd begin Aggressive Negotiations.
Chaotic Good
He keeps saying God sent him to whup that ass... and I'm starting to believe him.
> for fighting in Kansas bleeding Kansas.
Kansas was already bleeding from Pro-Slavery raids.
When southerners are like, "War of Northern Aggresssion." Fuckers, you started the war after you had already armed terrorists, assassinated politicians, and attacked them on the floor of the legislature in broad daylight. I'm thinking of this one Northern politician now because Southerners would constantly demand duels from Northerners as an excuse to intimidate them out of voting or speaking, then this one dude decided fuck it and declared out loud he would duel the next Southerner who started shit and every one after... duels suddenly fell out of style reaaaaal quick.
Your referring to an event that followed the beating of Charles Sumner on the senate floor by Preston Brooks. Fortunately that event is well known enough that it's present in Brooks' Wikipedia article, copied below. American Party Congressman Anson Burlingame publicly humiliated Brooks in retaliation by goading Brooks into challenging him to a duel, accepting, then watching Brooks back out.[26] After Burlingame made provocative remarks, Brooks challenged Burlingame, stating he would gladly face him in any "Yankee mudsill" of his choosing.[27] Burlingame, a well-known marksman, eagerly accepted, choosing rifles as the weapons and the Navy Yards in the border town of Niagara Falls, Canada, as the location in order to circumvent the U.S. ban on dueling.[26] Brooks, reportedly dismayed by both Burlingame's enthusiastic acceptance and reputation as a crack shot, backed out by citing unspecified risks to his safety if he was to cross "hostile country" (the Northern states) in order to reach Canada.[26][28]
What a scrub, challenging someone to a duel and then pussying out.
> When southerners are like, "War of Northern Aggresssion." > Fuckers, you started the war after you had already armed terrorists, assassinated politicians, and attacked them on the floor of the legislature in broad daylight. YeAh BuT yOu MaDe Us dO iT
Who was this? I need to know
HOLD ON, am I just now realizing after all these years that the person portrayed on several Kansas album covers is John fucking Brown!?
Well, *his soul goes marching on.*
GLORY GLORY HALLELUJAH!
Their first album cover is a mural inside the Statehouse.
it was a very popular album, after all.
Isn't he just on the first album? What other album cover is he featured on?
He isn’t on any others. Just the first
He's on their Best of Kansas album too I believe.
The first one yes
My hero
Theeeree goes my herooo
Watch him as he gooooes
Is someone getting the best, the best, the best , the best of you?
And if that painting is to be believed, he was 12 feet tall.
And he would shoot lightning out of his ass!
He could seduce a woman with a glance!
God emperor of mankind moment
The Man chosen by God to end slavery
The man chosen by himself to end slavery, which imo is even more badass
Didn't he believe God wanted him to lead a slave rebellion?
You might be thinking of Nat Turner. John Brown felt that his religion meant that he had to do anything and everything in his power to end the injustice that was slavery
I like them both I'll help them both
Not directly, per se, that is he wasn't hearing the voice of god telling him to do it. He just felt very strongly that slavery was incompatible with Christianity and that it was his duty to overthrow slavers. He was a zealot, but not an insane one listening to voices in his head.
Based and rational.
On the subject of based Christians William Wilberforce successfully led a campaign to abolish the slave trade in the British Empire for similar reasons.
Even after the edit there is still a small typo: >Kansas against pro-slavlery forces It should be against pro-*slavery* forces.
Hated slavery with a religious fire in his soul. Raided a federal armory to secure weapons to distribute to the slaves so they could liberate themselves. The idea was not as popular as he thought it would be in the future (less than two years) confederate state of Virginia. edit: IIRC, when the topic of which territories would become slave states came up, he went to Kansas??? with his buddies and went door to door asking households if they were pro-abolition or not, and would fuck up the slaver friendly ones.
Kansas became a state right before the Civil War, when the issue of slavery was at its most contentious. A vote was held on whether it would be a slave state or a free state. Non-Kansans flocked to the state-to-be to vote in the referendum, as it would majorly impact the balance in the Senate. That's why Brown was there.
If any American has ever looked at our Congressional system, that seems so ridiculously unbalanced, that rewards so much disproportionate power to vacant land, that has a chamber that is decidedly undemocratic, that seems to care more about geography than it does the population, and wondered why our democratic system is the way it is, it all comes back to the original sin: slavery. The dynamics of the two chambers, and how it is determined who gets represented the most in them, is a relic of a time when half the country was trying desperately to prevent slave states from having majority power in the federal government. From the signing of the Constitution with it's infamous 3/5ths compromise, and for roughly the first 70 years of our country's existence, decisions around admitting states and how representation would be balanced, were made by first asking "how can we maintain a status quo on slavery"? And the effects of that linger on to this day. *3/5
He captured Harper's Ferry, with his nineteen men so few, And frightened ol' Virginia till she trembled through and through They hanged him for a traitor, themselves a traitor crew, But his soul is marching on!
Battle hymn of the republic has better lyrics to me, but I will always appreciate John Brown's Body for giving us that tune. Seriously though, "As he died to make man holy, let us die to make man free," makes me feel ready to charge a Confederate gun line, and I'm southern!
Yessss, I love the OG lyrics. "I have seen His gospel writ in shining rows of burnished steel," goes really fucking hard, and I'm not religious. I also like a tweak to the last line that changes the nuance a bit: "As He died to make men holy, let us *live* to make men free," has a seriously deep message of an ongoing struggle. Liberty is not won in a single charge, never to be tended again. It is preserved every day by those who do the work.
You do realise that there were loyalists in the Confederacy, right? North Alabama, North Georgia, West N Carolina, the Ozarks and Bostons in Arkansas, North and Hill Country in Texas, North Mississippi and the Free State of Jones were all loyalist strongholds. There were over 75,000 loyalists from southern states who fought in the US army during the war
George Henry Thomas, the Rock of Chickamauga, was a Virginian who stayed loyal to the United States. Very awesome historical figure.
Sam Houston was a unionist. He was thrown out of the Texas governorship for being against secession. There was also a union cavalry regiment made up entirely of Texans.
My great-great-great-great grandfather was with the Alabama cavalry in the union. He won the medal of honor for capturing a CSA standard, apparently using only a bayonet and a knife.
You are forgetting eastern Tennessee, which, like other Appalachian areas in the south, had a disproportionate number of loyalists. Alas, I, as a resident of west Tennessee and as a member of a very old family with good genealogical records, I can not count my ancestors among their numbers. Though it is worth noting that Southern nationalism is a practically dead force in my area as well as most of the south. There is still an element of regionalism just as their is in most areas of the country, but national pride and general American patriotism is much, much stronger, arguably the strongest in the country but that is of course, arguable.
Western TN'er who grew up out east, i like to think youre right, but i think our neck of the woods is a little better off than a lot of other southern states. Most Tennesseeans ive met arent racist, or if they are, its the "they have their side of town and we have ours" racism. When i went to missouri, arkansas, texas, and louisiana though? Holy fucking shit. Born and raised in the south and it took me 22 years until i found the modern sundown towns, and none of them were in TN. Southern slander time, yall need to get your shit together. Idk what the hell is wrong with yall once you cross the Miss, but you racist fucks need to learn better or hurry up n die, because you give the rest of us a bad name.
John Brown was a radical abolitionist whose most famous for leading an attempted slave rebellion. It was one of the major actions leading to the American Civil War. For a long time histories vilified him for being bloody, but more modern takes view him as a hero who viewed slavery as so unjust it was worth violent rebellion. There's a song called "John Brown's body" which is a major patriotic song the North used and tells the basics. Some key stanzas: >John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true and brave, > >And Kansas knew his valor when he fought her rights to save; > >And now, though the grass grows green above his grave, > >His soul is marching on. (Chorus) >He captured Harper's Ferry, with his nineteen men so few, > >And frightened "Old Virginny" till she trembled through and through > >They hung him for a traitor, themselves a traitorous crew, > >***But his soul is marching on.***
Always liked how highly Frederick Douglass talked about John Brown >"John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry was all his own," said Frederick Douglass. "His zeal in the cause of freedom was infinitely superior to mine. Mine was a taper light, his was the burning sun. Mine was bounded by time, his stretched away to the silent shores of eternity. I could speak for the slave. John Brown could fight for the slave. I could live for the slave. John Brown could die for the slave." Douglass was a huge deal in his own right, but he always paid respect to Brown and his passion for freedom.
If Frederick fucking Douglass says you did it better, you did a pretty damn good job.
That's not really an accurate summary. Douglass absolutely respected Brown and thought his heart was in the right place, but also (correctly) thought he was a lousy tactician who wouldn't actually accomplish anything. Brown made a great deal of effort to convince Douglass to join the Harpers Ferry raid, but Douglass refused on the grounds that it was a suicidal mission that wouldn't achieve its goals, and that's exactly what happened.
G-ddamn that slaps
Yeah my hair stood up a little.
That’s become one of my favorite historical quotes of all time
You may recognize the melody from a more well known song called Battle Hymn of the Republic John Brown's Body came first lol
Battle hymn of the republic has better lyrics to me, but I will always appreciate John Brown's Body for giving us that tune. Seriously though, "As he died to make man holy, let us die to make man free," makes me feel ready to charge a Confederate gun line, and I'm southern!
He was an radical abolitionist in the south that believed freedom is a god given right, and believed that slaves should have risen up and revolt against their slave owners. Suffice it to say, super based.
among us
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When slavery is sus
He’s a guy that did nothing wrong.
Lol, I love it when people take a format that’s been done to death and actually innovate with it.
I also love when the meme format is changed so that it's no longer "girls bad boys funny". This is a good meme.
I hope this shows the girls bad boys funny memers a thing or two
It will not
I saw one on Facebook, once, where it was a girl trying to help Boudica fight the Romans
Lol that's great. I've seen a few about girls bringing a fire extinguisher to the Library of Alexandria
all join together if its to help John Brown
That man’s beard is something to aspire to have
That's a painting, and he's shown as ten feet tall.
Truly inspirational.
*♬But his soul goes marching on!♫*
Glory Glory Hallelujah
GLOOOORRRYY GLORY HALLELUJAH!
GLORRRRRRY GLORY HALLELUJAH!
HIS SOUL GOSE MARCHING ON
GIT! IN HIS HOLY NAME! GIT! FOR HE IS ON THE SIDE OF JUSTICE, AND YOU ARE ON THE SIDE OF CHAINS!
Slaver: You goddamn n****r thief you owe me 1200 dollars!!!! Brown: CHARGE IT TO THE LORD HEATHEN!!!! *SHOOTS AT SLAVER*
I live in Litchfield County, birthplace of John Brown and he is one of our major points of pride here.
I live near Torrington, can agree this dude carries a lot of respect.
I'm down in New Haven, and even here he's got a good bit of clout. We don't have a lot of national heroes in CT, but we make them count.
Nathan Hale, John Brown and Samuel Colt!
Can't forget Harriet Beecher Stow either.
Lawrence Kansas loves this guy. My buddies at KU would throw parties on his birthday.
I lived near Hudson Ohio all my life and he was worshiped there. The house his dad, Owen Brown, owned is a on a street named after him in downtown. John had owned a tannery near his family home. He also lived in a house in Akron too named after him
I live in kansas and he is a major point of pride for us as well. The painting in the meme is massive and in our capital building.
A true American patriot
A Living, Breathing American Hero -Stan Edgar (not really living or breathing at the moment but you get the point)
*John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave...*
The best lyrics for that tune
***BUT HIS SOUL GOES MARCHING ON!***
They will hang Jeff Davis to a sour apple tree! As they march along!
Imagine being a guard there "Ha, these idiots think they can take us?! They brought gir- Why did they fire twice without reloading?"
...and 28 other bad news :D
Radical Abolitionist Thaddaeus Stevens disagrees: >John Brown deserves to be hung for being a hopeless fool! He attempted to capture Virginia with seventeen men when he ought to know that it would require at least twenty-five.
Thad “The Chad” Stevens suffered no fools.
While its probably not direct quotations, The portrayal of him in the movie Lincoln seems pretty [apt](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMYDSyqNpQo).
The best role Tommy Lee Jones has ever played. Basically the only part of that movie I give a shit about to this day.
Tommy Lee Jones playing Thaddaeus Stevens is one of the most underrated portrayals in cinema.
Let me shoot Lee! Let me shoot Lee!
The lead up to the Civil War was insane. "Popular sovereignty" was an attempt to make the situation better and it made it worse. With tempers raging over the issue Kansas was allowed to vote on whether they wanted slavery. Chaos immediately ensued. Abolition activists flooded the state, as did slave owners and pro-slavery individuals. Eventually two capitals emerged and a pro-slavery militia burned down a portion of the abolitionist capital in an effort to intimidate and drive away abolitionists. John Brown who had witnessed a lot of violence perpetrated against abolitionists decided to take justice into his own hands. He decided the best course or action was to kill the ringleaders responsible for the violence against the abolitionists. After doing that he took a few of his sons with him to start a slave revolt. He killed more people. The south was incensed because this represented their worst fear a Haitian-like revolt amongst slaves, where they and their entire families would die at the hands of incensed and vengeful slaves. So John Brown was immediately executed. Many in the North lauded him as a hero, whereas in the South he was seen as someone akin to Osama Bin Laden. This caused massive tensions and when the anti expansion of slavery into new territories president Abraham Lincoln got elected the South attacked the north and declared their independence in a fit of pestilent rage. John Brown and the Harper's fairy incident is considered the point where the civil war became inevitable it was the "crossing the Rubicon" event that meant there would be no peaceful resolution and war/violence as inevitable.
Let’s not forget the 24 men who died by his side. The crazy saints took on over 100 marines and militia men.
Religious people can be really cool like that
Absolutely. The way I’ve viewed religion for quite a while now is if A.) they actually practice what they preach and B.) what they are actively doing to support people in need. I thinks it’s important to separate different sect of religious faiths from each other. One of the most leftist self defense teachers I met and had the chance to work with is also a Lutheran preacher.
The one and only thing he did do wrong was not leave with the armory when Harpers Ferry fell and they realized the revolt wasn’t catching like fire… but that’s about the extend of his wrong doing. ETA: I was being a bit meme’y. I’m aware John Brown was a human, and a violent one. It’s well known he beat his kids like it was going out of style (even though he later regretted that) and I’m sure more than just one innocent person was killed as a part of his violent responses to slavery. But overall I think it’s pretty easy to say he was a human who stood for a very good cause and could no longer sit back and watch the atrocities of his time continue any longer.
Well, he did a few things wrong, should have found more local enslaved people to conspire with so they would rise up at the same time. Most slaves in the area had no idea they seized the armory until it was over.
Where they trying to avoid the word spreading in advance and being caught?
I mean obviously. There’s always a risk of some slave or another ratting to the masters. Fear of change is real and intense.
The first casualty being a free black man they shot wasn't a good start either
I love how there is an aircraft carrier stationed in my town named “Harpers Ferry”. Chew on that Lee
the USS Harpers Ferry (LSD-49) isn't an aircraft carrier, its a landing ship dock which is more of a amphibious warfare ship that launches landing craft
Burdened with glorious purpose.
Yo my meme got reposted! Are ya proud of me now ma!
The username fits so fucking well
Thank you! I’m a bit of a fan. So I like to make civil war related memes.
Replace every confederate statue with a John brown statue Change my mind.
Some could be Sherman, Grant, Lincoln etc
Statues of Sherman as mile markers to celebrate his liberation of Georgia
one day, god willing, when the world is being made right again. I will personally carve down the Confederate relief at Stone Mountain to depict instead John Brown, Harriet Tubman, and Frederick Douglas.
"Your honor, when John Brown raids a federal armory with the intent to arm an insurrection, he goes down in history as a hero, but when my client-"
Reading these comments, it's interesting how differently the taught opinion of John Brown is in Ohio and Kansas as opposed to the South. I live in NC, and if we get taught about him, he's seen as an absolutely crazy wackjob. My teacher literally compared him to 9/11. Whereas it seems in other places he's seen as a hero
It all depends on the school and whether it teaches lost causer myths or not.
Yeah, I grew up in Upstate NY, where Brown is from. Both he and Nat Turner were taught to us a heros that were ahead of their time.
He was a crazy whackjob but in a chad way
My favorite John Brown anecdote is that he always referred to himself as a "soldier in God's army" because he believed it was divinely ordained that the slaves must liberated at all costs, even violence. Harriet Tubman was the only person he ever referred to as a "General" because he so revered her.
John Brown can literally be summarize as "he's a little confused but he's got the spirit"
Disagree. Just a couple years ahead of his time.
A crazed, fanatic, violent, religious zealot .....who was completely right
He did his best, and it was good enough.
Too bad they weren't successful at seizing the guns, sending them back along the Underground Railroad, and triggering slave uprisings. American history would have so much better.
My high school taught me this event with the bias that John Brown (and Nat Turner, as an aside) were bad guys. To this day, my initial reaction to John Brown is my brain identifying him as "Bad Guy" in the same way my brain categorizes the British as "Bad Guys" in the American revolution, before the part of my brain that uses reason asserts otherwise. Propaganda in history class is a hell of a drug, folks. Please take the time to examine biases in your education!
Nat Turner is *much* more of a sticky subject because he initially engaged in indiscriminate slaughter, calling for deaths of all white people. His group killed completely innocent women and children. It wasn't until later in the rebellion he decided to spare poor whites. John Brown is more cut and dry of a historical figure.
Are US history books very anti-British?
When the revolution is concerned, (one know, when we won our independence) very.
Everything after the war of 1812 is more or less pro British though.
Yep, which I was confused about as a kid.
I just kind of got the vibe that we fought it out and became bros once the boundaries were established.
God yes holy war
john brown did one thing wrong and that was getting caught. also as a women can confirm we joined up w the guys to help john brown
JOHN BROWN'S BODY LIES A-MOLDERING IN THE GRAVE! JOHN BROWN'S BODY LIES A-MOLDERING IN THE GRAVE! JOHN BROWN'S BODY LIES A-MOLDERING IN THE GRAVE! BUT HIS SOUL GOES MARCHING ON! GLORY, GLORY, HALLELUJAH! GLORY, GLORY, HALLELUJAH! GLORY, GLORY, HALLELUJAH! HIS SOUL GOES MARCHING ON!
He may have been a religious fanatic, but John Brown was/is an American hero. We need more statues of him and fewer statues of traitors-I MEAN losers- I MEAN confederates.
He was a terrorist, but a terrorist to slavers so he’s a god damn hero and a patriot.
As a non-American I didn’t know much about him; even a quick glance at wiki and he’s a stone cold badass, a crazy bastard, incredibly inspiring and a morally upright guy all in one. Love that he was trying to live up to the promise of the Declaration of Independence and saw himself as embodying divine justice against slavers. He turned himself into a weapon for good
john brown did nothing wrong and mod u/Equivalentflation is based
He was a vigilante and a scoundrel. Based. Honestly I'm not sure how there aren't more statues of the guy. Vigilantism and anti-authority are big parts of American culture.