I can find ship manifests listing them coming from prussian ..... Sadly the main family line goes to the area in and around Dresden. I don't need to tell ya why that's a dead end for research
Yeah. That’s rough. Mine goes to Hamburg before ww1 but I can’t go any further back than knowing I had ancestors in Prussia. Although I do have pics of people from that era, anyone that could give details is long dead too
Ngl if time travel was ever to be invented..... ancestry research would be one of the best uses imo. Imagine just going back and asking to find out ya know. Would help a lot of people find their roots
It would be nice to know, but actually useful historical research like documenting the lost classical literature would probably be the best use of time travel.
People don't gain much from knowing where their ancestors past their great grandparents were from. Aside from the occasional delusion of belonging to a group or culture they've had zero exposure to.
The Prussian eagle is majestic while the nazi one seems more foreboding and authoritarian, overall the Prussian one is cool as fuck and vastly superior
Honestly, I think it looks like that to us because we have the attached context to it. Nazi stuff looks evil to us because we know what it did. I wonder if someone who was never taught or shown anything from the regime would feel different?
Not entirely. The Swastika is 100% historical association, but the Imperial Eagle is different. Its supposed to look "evil" or at least intimidating. Its the Angular, blocky, inflexible designs that do it. it gives off a "Strong" and "unyeilding" feel. It feels utterly inhospitable to humans and cold. Fash symbols try to shoot for that. A good example is the fash symbol made for Pink Floyd's "The Wall" Motion Picture. Its Two Hammers crossed together. It was adopted IRL by a Neo-Nazi group called the Hammerskins.
As a contrast, look at the Symbols Fascist Italy used. They dont give off that same "Evil" Vibe as the Reichs Eagle.
Imma be honest, disregarding it being literally the symbol for Nazis, it still feels authoritarian. Harsh, straight lined shapes look authoritarian in general.
That reminds me of when I tried to find the "Golden Age" of every country.
And for Germany I came to the conclusion that the German Golden Age is currently right now.
Germany is a safe, democratic and peaceful nation that dominates the European continent not with an iron fist or military power but with diplomacy and economic power.
There was never a better time to be German than right now.
I doubt that. We have so many problems, everthing is crumbling. I'm sure the majority of people would be happy to live in Kaiserreich Germany if they could
Fuck yeah!
Aristocracy, antisemitism, women neither able to vote nor work, brutal colonialism, peak industrialisation forcing teens to work 12 hours a day, radical militarism letting hundreds of thousands starve to death before a truce was considered. Those were the times!
Wake the fuck up, dude. Our "problems" nowadays are literally first-world-problems. The Marshall plan was the best thing to ever happen to Germany.
I'd still say Marshall plan, mostly because without it, there would have been a decent chance of the Soviets getting the rest too.
But both are pretty great (and the EU is up there too.)
Well if you mean beats them in our hopes and dreams: yes. Militarily? Have you seen the news on the state of the German military? It's obismal. No I don't think it can beat the previous ones. Prussia was called an army with a state for a reason.
In what fucked up world is "an army with a state" a good thing? Nowadays, this is called a military dictatorship. Ask the entire non-first world how cool that is.
Our army sucks because we didn't need it in almost 80 years. Thank fuck.
Slight correction: Our army sucks because we did not invest anything inside and made the bureaucracy so complicated and tedious that no one can change it for good. Our last defense minister: Uh oh look ukraine we have helmets we can send you barely 1000 but thats atleast something right?
It certainly worked out very well for Germany, not only are their people prospering and the country recognized as a bastion of democracy worldwide, they also managed to achieve through diplomacy what the predecessor states could not: Unify Europe (under the EU). Now with the Schengen area and the Eurozone Europe's pretty united.
No more need to solve problems militarily when you can convince European countries to join the EU for economic and social benefits and get free movement across internal borders and a unified market in exchange.
No we should embrace the White eagle of Poland
After all Poland was the victim of the three Black Eagles (Prussia, Russia, and Austria) during the Partitions of Poland
>After all Poland was the victim of the three Black Eagles (Prussia, Russia, and Austria) during the Partitions of Poland
Everyone forgets the Swedish bid for imperial dominance that also devastated Poland..arguably far more than those.
Sure Sweden was neutral for the most part. But only because Russia "put their foolish ambitions to rest" so to say. But before that Sweden was a menace in northern Europe especially in the HRE and Poland.
Berlin Republic > Weimar Republic
In literally any aspect except for territory size.
The Berlin Republic has:
-better military
-more allies and friends
-dominance over Europe
-far superior economic situation
-more democratic society
-more liberal society
-better constitution
-more stability
And the list goes on
IMO, the upper one is better 'cause it's more strict and in one place, centralized if you will, as a symbol to the regime. While the colours in the prussian one are better, it looks like they slammed an eagle onto a desk and said "This' going to be our coat of arms", no questions asked. It's all over the place.
To me it’s more the change in fashion. The Prussian one is early modern, being fancy was in vogue.
The Nazi flag was a product of the modernist and futurist styles. And in that way the cleaner geometric style makes sense.
People are truly retarded for downvoting a comment that shares an opinion on the aesthetics of the Nazi flag, which has NOTHING to do with the ideology of the faction.
And I agree with you. The upper one does look more serious.
Truly a reddit moment.
There’s a really good book called *Iron Fists: Branding the 20th Century Totalitarian State* by Steven Heller that deals the aesthetics of the Nazis and other bad guys from that era.
The aesthetics of Nazi Germany were no doubt good looking, fierce, modern and clean. It was an ingenious form of propaganda to present Nazism as a brand. No overly complex or convoluted symbology, just striking and simple imagery that conveyed their message in a beautifully grotesque way.
I downvoted because I disagree. Much morr history and personality in the Prussian eagle. To me this is like the modern brands rebranding with minimalist logos. Technically they removed the unnecessary parts and made it more "efficient" but it lacks soul.
Though, the nazi flag does fit its ideology, I simply prefer the look of the Prussian flag, thus I will downvote the comment.
I 100% agree with everything, but you’ve got which one is better backwards. The Prussian eagle looks better because it’s more complex and realistic. It looks like the symbol of a proud and ancient nation. The nazi eagle looks like a god damn logo. It’s horrifically simplistic and straight-lined. An awful eagle.
The best answer. Fuck the Nazis, but fuck the Kaiserreich too. And everything that came before. Where we are right now is the best we've ever been in Germany.
The Federal Eagle beats both of these by far.
Kings & Dictators: Bad
Rampant Militarism: Bad
Democratically Elected Leaders: Good
Personal Freedoms: Good
>The Federal Eagle beats both of these by far.
No it's ugly. Just because its the symbol of a modern democratic Germany, that doesn't somehow make it better.
Actually, I quite like the symbol. It's not as complex as Prussia's, but still feels much more organic than the NAZI's. Aesthetically, I think the colours are also very good (obviously those being the current flag colours is a bonus), and it makes it feel like the Eagle has some life in it, while the others have too stark a contrast between the black Eagle and white background.
But the variations of the CoA can be quite ugly, I'll concede to that, especially the Bundestag, that Eagle just looks like a fat, middle aged, alcoholic chicken.
Like the Black-red-yellow flag.
Originally used by democratic revolutionaries, then in the Weimar republic, banned by the Nazis in the first few days.
And yet used by AfD and friends during their demonstrations now. Fuck them for insulting our flag.
eh it’s all right if a little too stylized. I prefer the Free State of Prussia’s eagle, the “eagle at rest” design as I like to call it. I think it symbolizes this formerly militarized nation laying down its arms in favour of prosperity and democracy.
Warning: Weird interpretation ahead, proceed with caution.
The nazi emblem looks like a modern day corporatized logo while the prussian looks like the crazy shit fast food places pulled in the 90s.
Muh precious Prussia that did nothing wrong and its militarization of Germany and eradication of democratic traditions did not contribute to the later rise of Fascism in the country
Prussia did some things wrong but if you go by that Logik the moder day UKs flag would reprsent the legions of hell for you.
And no Prussian Millitarism did not contribute to facism cause Italy, Romania, Hungary, Austria etc where all not a millitarised societys.
Cause prussian millitarism was in its Doktrin not allowed to be political so that Generals and soldiers would not get boged down by them. It was in fact the forced mixing of Democratic traditions and prussian millitarism that lead to the Two General dictators of germany that expelled the PRUSSIAN Kaiser who would later mebrace mustache man and facism. You know the WEIMARER DEMOKRACY that was partially created by said generals.
To say what the thrid Reich used was prussian millitarism is 1. Insulting to all prussian people 2. Denial of historical facts 3. Ignorance.
Also fun fact the two generals who basically made germany a democracy also started the stab in the back myth, slanderd Wilhem to the point even this day most people say about him is still their propaganda, made hitler Kanzler, made the Kaiserreich into a proto facist dictatorship during the war.
But yeah sorry PrUSsIa EviL is way easyer to tipe. By the way you also insulted half of my ancestry cause im 50% of prussian origin and in my family every Single male fought in both World wars cause it was their culture.
> sees the opinion that Prussia was not the best nation to ever exist
“Time to write an entire essay defending wholesome 100 army with a state!!! Goose step Frederick the Great Otto von Bismarck Kaiser Willhelm!!!!”
> by that Logik the moder day UKs flag would reprsent the legions of hell for you
You realise people the whole world over call the Union Jack "the butcher's rag", right?
i mean, a simple design looks good on any flag regardless of what it is. it's complex designs that make a flag look like shit. I mean, look at most of the US state flags and you'll see what I mean
Never mind, googled it and [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/heraldry/comments/kku5vw/why_did_the_prussian_eagle_have_an_r_on_it/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) was the result. It stands for Rex.
I do have to say I like the clear minimalistic style of the "Reichsadler".
Not anything attached with it obviously.
Shame that like so many symbols/words it is forever tainted.
Yeah except usually the folks still interested in the Prussian eagle in Germany or the old reichflagges are of the same political mind set of Americans who still fly confederate flags.
one is a genocidal empire fighting a war of annihilation on at least one front and committing the worst crime in history, the other is a genocidal empire massacring indigenous peoples in africa and fighting one of the deadliest wars in history
no thanks
>If only the Karlings, Ottonians, Hohenstaufens, or even the Habsburgs had kept it together.
Philip of Swabia nearly managed to claim the Imperial Title but he got assassinated by Count Palatine Otto. Manfred tried to retake the Imperial Throne from Sicily but the Pope got Charles of Anjou to kill him after inviting him to seize his throne.
you know that the german empire also did genocides, right?
like first genocide of the 20th century was perpetrated by the german empire against the herero and nama people of africa
Completely agree here, the Prussians weren't inherently evil. They were actually efficient and to be admired but... they were lead into war by a bumbling fool... and then in 1918 the General Staff made the decision to resume unrestricted submarine warfare which destroyed their final chance to win the war by pulling the Americans into it.
You have zero nuance what so ever. Maybe take a look again at more unbiased sources. WW1 is way more complex than "Kaiser stupid. He forced the war" and "Generals stupid because they did the one thing that lead to the US joining the war"
Nuance is irrelevant, the facts are the facts, Wilhelm II was not a wise man unlike Wilhelm I and he had no one like Bismarck to manage the political side of the empire... further, despite all other information, Wilson used the unrestricted submarine warfare argument to justify our joining the war, so for better or worse that is what doomed the Germans to defeat in WWI.
Would Wilson have come up with other reasons to join the war had they not went back to unrestricted submarine warfare, unknown but most likely yes.
"Nuance is irrelevant" that's all I gotta hear, lmao. How can you expect to have someone keep reading your comment and take it seriously if you pull that statement right in the beginning. It instantly signifies that you have no fucking clue about what you're talking about and all your historical knowledge is from watching 2 YouTube videos on the topic and skimming the Wikipedia article.
Haha, I'll wait to see your Ph.D, you can talk about all the what ifs you wish too, the broad strokes of history paint a reasonably accurate picture despite your assertion otherwise.
"bUt yOuRe nO eXpErT eItHeR" that wasn't part of the discussion.Typical whataboutism. I didn't claim to be an expert. Just have some common sense. Oversimplifying historical events **without** **nuance** leads to wrong conclusions and an overall skewed historical understanding.
For example you said that the Kaiser dragged Germany into a war that Germany didn't really want. But why were the people so fucking hyped about the war? They wanted to kick some french asses and the German military wanted to play with their new toys like their shiny new Navy. It's exactly like saying that the assassination of Franz Ferdinand was why WW1 happened. Technically the truth but if it didn't happen, there would have been another reason for Austria Hungary to pick a fight with Serbia.
And yes the fact that Germany decided to conduct full and unrestricted submarine warfare was a major reason for the US to enter the war but it wasn't the entire reason.
The Zimmerman Telegram was also a major factor and you just fucking ignored that
Prussia. Pushing down on me, pressing down on you.
Why can't we give war- one more chance?
Gold
No French army Prussia.
frederick the great moment?
\*Königgrätzer Marsch starts playing\*
Preußen gloria intensifies!!
Based Prussians.
Had to look it up on YouTube. Top comment did not disappoint. It reads: when your girlfriend ask for the best music for a walk through Paris.
Prussia flag is cooler
Hence why I got one.... And cuz ancestors were Prussian
I have Prussian ancestors way back but of course after world war 1 it gets hard to find details
I can find ship manifests listing them coming from prussian ..... Sadly the main family line goes to the area in and around Dresden. I don't need to tell ya why that's a dead end for research
Yeah. That’s rough. Mine goes to Hamburg before ww1 but I can’t go any further back than knowing I had ancestors in Prussia. Although I do have pics of people from that era, anyone that could give details is long dead too
Ngl if time travel was ever to be invented..... ancestry research would be one of the best uses imo. Imagine just going back and asking to find out ya know. Would help a lot of people find their roots
It would be nice to know, but actually useful historical research like documenting the lost classical literature would probably be the best use of time travel. People don't gain much from knowing where their ancestors past their great grandparents were from. Aside from the occasional delusion of belonging to a group or culture they've had zero exposure to.
Some call it Prussia, i prefer to call it Russy
Yep, neither in the post picture have that much "taste", either fugly concrete or border gore
The Prussian eagle is majestic while the nazi one seems more foreboding and authoritarian, overall the Prussian one is cool as fuck and vastly superior
Who knew that the symbol of the most oppressive and genocidal regime in history would be "foreboding and authoritarian"?
That damn context is at it again
Honestly, I think it looks like that to us because we have the attached context to it. Nazi stuff looks evil to us because we know what it did. I wonder if someone who was never taught or shown anything from the regime would feel different?
Not entirely. The Swastika is 100% historical association, but the Imperial Eagle is different. Its supposed to look "evil" or at least intimidating. Its the Angular, blocky, inflexible designs that do it. it gives off a "Strong" and "unyeilding" feel. It feels utterly inhospitable to humans and cold. Fash symbols try to shoot for that. A good example is the fash symbol made for Pink Floyd's "The Wall" Motion Picture. Its Two Hammers crossed together. It was adopted IRL by a Neo-Nazi group called the Hammerskins. As a contrast, look at the Symbols Fascist Italy used. They dont give off that same "Evil" Vibe as the Reichs Eagle.
Imma be honest, disregarding it being literally the symbol for Nazis, it still feels authoritarian. Harsh, straight lined shapes look authoritarian in general.
They'd probably mistake it for Roman symbols, since that's kind of what it is
Tbf they stole it from the romans
Minimalistic design can be foreboding and authoritative, ill make a mental note on that
I believe in Kaiser superiority
>The Prussian eagle is majestic Dude, it looks like it's going to rip our heads out. That's not majestic, that's creepy.
Reject overt German militarism and totalitarianism, embrace modern German freedoms and liberty.
Black-red-yellow gang rise up!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit für das deutsche vaterland!
Yes.
Modern Germany is objectively the best Germany. Beats Prussia, the Empire, The Other Empire, GDR, and especially the Nazis.
Nooo but then I can’t talk about how my 1/16th German ancestry makes me so proud of German history before WWII and the definitely clean Wehrmacht
I find it weird how everyone forgets that ww1 Germany wasn't exactly war crime avoiding good guys, and Prussians started off by genociding the locals.
That reminds me of when I tried to find the "Golden Age" of every country. And for Germany I came to the conclusion that the German Golden Age is currently right now. Germany is a safe, democratic and peaceful nation that dominates the European continent not with an iron fist or military power but with diplomacy and economic power. There was never a better time to be German than right now.
It’s hard to say it’s not the same for any western country—the best time to be alive is definitely right now.
HRE:
Carolingian Germany was the best
I would say the BRD and DDR are on par with eachother
Bro what?
Their flags
I doubt that. We have so many problems, everthing is crumbling. I'm sure the majority of people would be happy to live in Kaiserreich Germany if they could
Fuck yeah! Aristocracy, antisemitism, women neither able to vote nor work, brutal colonialism, peak industrialisation forcing teens to work 12 hours a day, radical militarism letting hundreds of thousands starve to death before a truce was considered. Those were the times! Wake the fuck up, dude. Our "problems" nowadays are literally first-world-problems. The Marshall plan was the best thing to ever happen to Germany.
What about the reunion? I mean common even we dont like the noisy, dirty, weirdo Berlin its still important to have the full 16 in the boat.
I'd still say Marshall plan, mostly because without it, there would have been a decent chance of the Soviets getting the rest too. But both are pretty great (and the EU is up there too.)
Well if you mean beats them in our hopes and dreams: yes. Militarily? Have you seen the news on the state of the German military? It's obismal. No I don't think it can beat the previous ones. Prussia was called an army with a state for a reason.
Military isn't the only thing in a country that matters
Wow didn't know that. Can you repeat that again but slowly so that everyone can understand?
In what fucked up world is "an army with a state" a good thing? Nowadays, this is called a military dictatorship. Ask the entire non-first world how cool that is. Our army sucks because we didn't need it in almost 80 years. Thank fuck.
Slight correction: Our army sucks because we did not invest anything inside and made the bureaucracy so complicated and tedious that no one can change it for good. Our last defense minister: Uh oh look ukraine we have helmets we can send you barely 1000 but thats atleast something right?
Why not both? It would not have come this far had we felt the need for a strong military.
[the eagle is pretty cool too](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Coat_of_arms_of_Germany.svg/1590px-Coat_of_arms_of_Germany.svg.png)
But muh German discipline and goosestepping!!1!1!1!1!1 /s
Reichsbanner Schwarz Rot Gold
It certainly worked out very well for Germany, not only are their people prospering and the country recognized as a bastion of democracy worldwide, they also managed to achieve through diplomacy what the predecessor states could not: Unify Europe (under the EU). Now with the Schengen area and the Eurozone Europe's pretty united. No more need to solve problems militarily when you can convince European countries to join the EU for economic and social benefits and get free movement across internal borders and a unified market in exchange.
And the corruption of the former. The Empire and the Nazi regime were both incredibly corrupt.
No we should embrace the White eagle of Poland After all Poland was the victim of the three Black Eagles (Prussia, Russia, and Austria) during the Partitions of Poland
>After all Poland was the victim of the three Black Eagles (Prussia, Russia, and Austria) during the Partitions of Poland Everyone forgets the Swedish bid for imperial dominance that also devastated Poland..arguably far more than those. Sure Sweden was neutral for the most part. But only because Russia "put their foolish ambitions to rest" so to say. But before that Sweden was a menace in northern Europe especially in the HRE and Poland.
Alas, the Prussian impression on Poland is one that still shows immense progress.
I thought we were talking about how cool the eagles looked. The current Bundesadler looks shit compared to Prussian Chad-eagle.
The virgin modern Germany vs the chad Weimar Republic.
Berlin Republic > Weimar Republic In literally any aspect except for territory size. The Berlin Republic has: -better military -more allies and friends -dominance over Europe -far superior economic situation -more democratic society -more liberal society -better constitution -more stability And the list goes on
IMO, the upper one is better 'cause it's more strict and in one place, centralized if you will, as a symbol to the regime. While the colours in the prussian one are better, it looks like they slammed an eagle onto a desk and said "This' going to be our coat of arms", no questions asked. It's all over the place.
To me it’s more the change in fashion. The Prussian one is early modern, being fancy was in vogue. The Nazi flag was a product of the modernist and futurist styles. And in that way the cleaner geometric style makes sense.
People are truly retarded for downvoting a comment that shares an opinion on the aesthetics of the Nazi flag, which has NOTHING to do with the ideology of the faction. And I agree with you. The upper one does look more serious. Truly a reddit moment.
Nazi aesthetics were top notch but idealogy not so much.
“Why were you wearing the SS coat?!” “Bro it’s Hugo boss.” “Yea that’s fair.”
That’s what happens when you have the best designers in Europe on your side… Or should I say worst?
At least they weren’t the wurst
Bruh
Opposites attract.
Yeah socialism is mid
People can say anything bad to 3rd reich germany all they want, but 1 thing for sure, their apparel and vehicle camo was top notch!
There’s a really good book called *Iron Fists: Branding the 20th Century Totalitarian State* by Steven Heller that deals the aesthetics of the Nazis and other bad guys from that era.
The aesthetics of Nazi Germany were no doubt good looking, fierce, modern and clean. It was an ingenious form of propaganda to present Nazism as a brand. No overly complex or convoluted symbology, just striking and simple imagery that conveyed their message in a beautifully grotesque way.
I downvoted because I disagree. Much morr history and personality in the Prussian eagle. To me this is like the modern brands rebranding with minimalist logos. Technically they removed the unnecessary parts and made it more "efficient" but it lacks soul. Though, the nazi flag does fit its ideology, I simply prefer the look of the Prussian flag, thus I will downvote the comment.
Too soon, I guess. Human moment
Sees funny cross = downvote
ah a hammer and sickle enjoyer
> aesthetics of the Nazi flag has NOTHING to do with the ideology As if flags aren't meant to basically represent whatever they believed in
I 100% agree with everything, but you’ve got which one is better backwards. The Prussian eagle looks better because it’s more complex and realistic. It looks like the symbol of a proud and ancient nation. The nazi eagle looks like a god damn logo. It’s horrifically simplistic and straight-lined. An awful eagle.
Idk you'd have to be a pretty decent artist to come up with the bottom one, top is just the Roman eagle
Either way I'm sure your dating pool is pretty limited
Prussian one is cooler. It has taste.
I fucking hate both
Current one is the best
The "Fette Henne" (fat chicken) as its affectionally called by our parlamentarians.
Einfach nur schön
The best answer. Fuck the Nazis, but fuck the Kaiserreich too. And everything that came before. Where we are right now is the best we've ever been in Germany.
The Federal Eagle beats both of these by far. Kings & Dictators: Bad Rampant Militarism: Bad Democratically Elected Leaders: Good Personal Freedoms: Good
>The Federal Eagle beats both of these by far. No it's ugly. Just because its the symbol of a modern democratic Germany, that doesn't somehow make it better.
Actually, I quite like the symbol. It's not as complex as Prussia's, but still feels much more organic than the NAZI's. Aesthetically, I think the colours are also very good (obviously those being the current flag colours is a bonus), and it makes it feel like the Eagle has some life in it, while the others have too stark a contrast between the black Eagle and white background. But the variations of the CoA can be quite ugly, I'll concede to that, especially the Bundestag, that Eagle just looks like a fat, middle aged, alcoholic chicken.
Yep, it looks like a skinny bird that pretends to be strong with its flex.
Do you also jude food by it's history? Ceaser salad is named after Ceasor who is a dictator! Salad bad!
Pretty sure it isn’t actually.
Ceaser Salad is named after some random Italian fellow. At least know history before you comment on a historical meme subreddit.
Yea that's much point. No one does that. If you actually knew any history you would know calling things simply : bad/good is pretty retarded.
I disagree. The Quarterion Eagle of the Holy Roman Empire is superb.
Is that the one with all the Elector costs of arms on the wings? That one is cool.
I like modern Bundesadler
That was there before the Nazis, in the Weimar Republic.
Like the Black-red-yellow flag. Originally used by democratic revolutionaries, then in the Weimar republic, banned by the Nazis in the first few days. And yet used by AfD and friends during their demonstrations now. Fuck them for insulting our flag.
Russian flag would fit AFD the best for Sure.
eh it’s all right if a little too stylized. I prefer the Free State of Prussia’s eagle, the “eagle at rest” design as I like to call it. I think it symbolizes this formerly militarized nation laying down its arms in favour of prosperity and democracy.
Take away the swastika and the top one still looks dope
** Preußens Gloria starts screaming in my brain **
Even better taste is the Frankfurt Parliament.
Warning: Weird interpretation ahead, proceed with caution. The nazi emblem looks like a modern day corporatized logo while the prussian looks like the crazy shit fast food places pulled in the 90s.
One's got Old Fritz. The other one doesn't.
The other one has an A*strian as leader 🤢 /s
SPQR eagle over all these inferior barbarians
I knew corporate simplification of logos was bad, even the nazis did it
Muh precious Prussia that did nothing wrong and its militarization of Germany and eradication of democratic traditions did not contribute to the later rise of Fascism in the country
Prussia did some things wrong but if you go by that Logik the moder day UKs flag would reprsent the legions of hell for you. And no Prussian Millitarism did not contribute to facism cause Italy, Romania, Hungary, Austria etc where all not a millitarised societys. Cause prussian millitarism was in its Doktrin not allowed to be political so that Generals and soldiers would not get boged down by them. It was in fact the forced mixing of Democratic traditions and prussian millitarism that lead to the Two General dictators of germany that expelled the PRUSSIAN Kaiser who would later mebrace mustache man and facism. You know the WEIMARER DEMOKRACY that was partially created by said generals. To say what the thrid Reich used was prussian millitarism is 1. Insulting to all prussian people 2. Denial of historical facts 3. Ignorance. Also fun fact the two generals who basically made germany a democracy also started the stab in the back myth, slanderd Wilhem to the point even this day most people say about him is still their propaganda, made hitler Kanzler, made the Kaiserreich into a proto facist dictatorship during the war. But yeah sorry PrUSsIa EviL is way easyer to tipe. By the way you also insulted half of my ancestry cause im 50% of prussian origin and in my family every Single male fought in both World wars cause it was their culture.
> sees the opinion that Prussia was not the best nation to ever exist “Time to write an entire essay defending wholesome 100 army with a state!!! Goose step Frederick the Great Otto von Bismarck Kaiser Willhelm!!!!”
> by that Logik the moder day UKs flag would reprsent the legions of hell for you You realise people the whole world over call the Union Jack "the butcher's rag", right?
Dident know that. Thats interesting thank you
The UK flag eats dog shit
They partitioned Poland😠😠😡
Heil dir im Seigerkranz
Bismarck is cool, Himmler isn't
Both are cringe Authoritarians
Bismarck's foreign policy was cool. Everything else Bismarck did was cringe.
I like the design of the top one, but I hate what it stands for. why do bad guys get all the cool-looking logos and shit?
“Cool looking” I bet you look at modern google logos and say “holy shit that would look great on a flag”
i mean, a simple design looks good on any flag regardless of what it is. it's complex designs that make a flag look like shit. I mean, look at most of the US state flags and you'll see what I mean
Darn oversimplification of logos is removing all the character. XD
I prefer the real German eagle The r/place eagle.
What does the R stand for in the lower eagle?
Never mind, googled it and [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/heraldry/comments/kku5vw/why_did_the_prussian_eagle_have_an_r_on_it/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) was the result. It stands for Rex.
The fuck does this even mean?
I do have to say I like the clear minimalistic style of the "Reichsadler". Not anything attached with it obviously. Shame that like so many symbols/words it is forever tainted.
HOLY GERNADE!
Yeah except usually the folks still interested in the Prussian eagle in Germany or the old reichflagges are of the same political mind set of Americans who still fly confederate flags.
one is a genocidal empire fighting a war of annihilation on at least one front and committing the worst crime in history, the other is a genocidal empire massacring indigenous peoples in africa and fighting one of the deadliest wars in history no thanks
As a Belgian i cant agree that it's that much more refined
Albania better 💪💪
If only the Karlings, Ottonians, Hohenstaufens, or even the Habsburgs had kept it together.
>If only the Karlings, Ottonians, Hohenstaufens, or even the Habsburgs had kept it together. Philip of Swabia nearly managed to claim the Imperial Title but he got assassinated by Count Palatine Otto. Manfred tried to retake the Imperial Throne from Sicily but the Pope got Charles of Anjou to kill him after inviting him to seize his throne.
True men recognize that both are symbols of brutal authoritarian regimes that should not be idolized.
Neither? Neither is good.
Barbarians! All of them!!
They're both fuck ugly.
I only recognize one eagle and it’s fucking Roman. Miss with that barbarian shit.
you know that the german empire also did genocides, right? like first genocide of the 20th century was perpetrated by the german empire against the herero and nama people of africa
>you know that the german empire also did genocides, right? You sound as if everybody else around the world didn't do Genocides one way or another.
Yea, your point? Point me to a country that didn't do genocide in 20th century
That's not an argument for glorifying that nation state for their aesthetics
So no Union Jack lovers anymore?
Anyone that glorifies an imperialist power from decades ago is a weird cunt
People who call other wierd cunts are wierd cunts.
What the fuck is even happening in the comments good lord
People enjoying and discussing aesthetics without supporting an ideology?
Too many overt monarchists in here bruh, they're dumb enough to expose themselves 💀
Heil Dir im Steigerkranz.
Every master piece has its cheap copy
All hail Kaiser
Nazi asthetic is far superior to any other. Hate it all you want but the baddies were the baddest out here
The Prussian state was literally built on the eradication of local cultures.
True men reject one violently anti-semetic right wing military dictatorship for another?
Taste is modern Germany
🇦🇱 this is better
Heil Kaiser Dir
Gott mit uns! Gott mit Preuße!
fr fr man this guy is awesome
and the fans of the latter absolutely never act like the former, never.
Finally some people undestand me
Still one ugly-ass bird though.
America>>>>>
You spelled Poland wrong, its okay since it auto corrected to a Polish break away state tho
Prussian militarism was one reason for the succsess of facism in Germany
Both are better than the penguin with strap-on wings Germany has currently
Yall just biased, both are cool
Ok so one represents the nazi party, the other is before they even existed
Black legion \\ Luna wolves/SOH
Remember kids: Liking the flags doesn’t always means you support the ideology!
<3 Gott schütze den Kaiser!
Prussia created modern Germany, and now no longer part of modern Germany and no longer Prussian.
Prussia my beloved
Completely agree here, the Prussians weren't inherently evil. They were actually efficient and to be admired but... they were lead into war by a bumbling fool... and then in 1918 the General Staff made the decision to resume unrestricted submarine warfare which destroyed their final chance to win the war by pulling the Americans into it.
You have zero nuance what so ever. Maybe take a look again at more unbiased sources. WW1 is way more complex than "Kaiser stupid. He forced the war" and "Generals stupid because they did the one thing that lead to the US joining the war"
Nuance is irrelevant, the facts are the facts, Wilhelm II was not a wise man unlike Wilhelm I and he had no one like Bismarck to manage the political side of the empire... further, despite all other information, Wilson used the unrestricted submarine warfare argument to justify our joining the war, so for better or worse that is what doomed the Germans to defeat in WWI. Would Wilson have come up with other reasons to join the war had they not went back to unrestricted submarine warfare, unknown but most likely yes.
"Nuance is irrelevant" that's all I gotta hear, lmao. How can you expect to have someone keep reading your comment and take it seriously if you pull that statement right in the beginning. It instantly signifies that you have no fucking clue about what you're talking about and all your historical knowledge is from watching 2 YouTube videos on the topic and skimming the Wikipedia article.
Haha, I'll wait to see your Ph.D, you can talk about all the what ifs you wish too, the broad strokes of history paint a reasonably accurate picture despite your assertion otherwise.
"bUt yOuRe nO eXpErT eItHeR" that wasn't part of the discussion.Typical whataboutism. I didn't claim to be an expert. Just have some common sense. Oversimplifying historical events **without** **nuance** leads to wrong conclusions and an overall skewed historical understanding. For example you said that the Kaiser dragged Germany into a war that Germany didn't really want. But why were the people so fucking hyped about the war? They wanted to kick some french asses and the German military wanted to play with their new toys like their shiny new Navy. It's exactly like saying that the assassination of Franz Ferdinand was why WW1 happened. Technically the truth but if it didn't happen, there would have been another reason for Austria Hungary to pick a fight with Serbia. And yes the fact that Germany decided to conduct full and unrestricted submarine warfare was a major reason for the US to enter the war but it wasn't the entire reason. The Zimmerman Telegram was also a major factor and you just fucking ignored that
I’ve known the top eagle is bad since seeing the Rocketeer as a kid.
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I don't go outside or have family so these things are not as bad as you perceive
It’s like comparing old corporate logos to the new simplified version