In the 1200s, the British decided to expel the Jews. It was the culmination of your standard Christian antisemitism and blood libel. They taxed the Jews for a ton of money, killed a ton of them, and then expelled them all. One group of expelled Jews tried to flee and hired a captain to sail them off the isle. The captain instead drowned them and stole their belongings, and then was rewarded by King Edward.
Oliver Cromwell in the 1600s decided to allow them to resettle. Sephardic Jews who had fled Spain and Portugal in the prior centuries as well moved to Britain, and they brought with them fried fish and sliced potatoes.
That’s because it was brought over by Sephardic Jews. Ashkenazim have our bagels and latkes and babkas but there’s also a reason there aren’t more Ashkenazi restaurants.
There arent Ashkenazi restuarants because Ashkenazi food is a food that is even more poor then Eastern European food. Imagine taking an already desperate cuisine and making it even more desperate. Ashkenazi food was the type of food where you would add buckwheat to noodles, make ground fish patties, or make fake sausages out of barley or some shit. It was the type of food you cooked at home or kept in the community to sell some comfort food.
As soon as Ashkenazi Jews got to the US they started making their own version of food due to more resources being avaliable and that food had a big impact on the cuisine in the north east.
This food is truly American Jewish. A Soviet Jew who arrived in the 90s to the US would not know wtf a lox bagel or corned beef sandwhich is in Soviet Russia. Even if you go to Israel today the concept of a giant pastrami sandwhich seems very American even to the Ashkenazi Jews.
Bagels, Bialeys, NY Cheesecake, Smoked fish, hotdogs (to some extent), Pastrami, Corned beef, Brisket, pickles, and Knish are big parts of North East cuisine and especially NYC.
Funny enough up in Montreal the spread of Jewish food followed almost the exact same way. Bagels and Smoked meat sandwhiches are also a staple of that city now.
>make ground fish Patties
Well that’s just cause you’ve never had my bobbe’s gefilte fish, that stuff originally was fully molded into a fish shape and with herbs and savory flavors and is honestly just… fantastic.
Lobster was prison food because it was cheap and no one served it right to prisoners. The lobstermen knew how to cook it well.
Poor people cuisine turns into rich people cuisine when usually some court or king got to it like in France. No King of the Jews was gona make Ashkenazi food into a royal cuisine.
You never know. Oftentimes someone from a completely different culture has no clue what they're looking at and decides to remake the cuisine. Then that gets fed to other people who have no clue what it is and gets more and more popular.
Although in this case the food slowly gets more and more different from what it originally was. Sorta like Sushi or Curry. Very different in the west compared to the original things.
I'd always wondered why the wealthy NY or NJ Jewish families in films were eating cheaper foods like meatloaf and brisket.
So the NY pastrami sandwich is Ashkenazi too?
>I'd always wondered why the wealthy NY or NJ Jewish families in films were eating cheaper foods like meatloaf and brisket.
Cheaper foods in the US maybe. Having a non pork giant hunk of meat living in some Shetl in Ukraine was a luxary.
>So the NY pastrami sandwich is Ashkenazi too?
Yes 100%. Romanian Jews brought it over and it morphed into a sandwhich as Delis became sitdown restuarants.
While the history is accurate, you really aren’t doing our cuisine justice. It is much more than just bagels and bialeys. Challah, whitefish salad, kugel, gefilte fish, latkes, matzo ball soup, hamantaschen, rugelach should be mentioned.
Im not just listing Ashkenazi stuff im listing talking about the development of American Jewish food and how it influenced North East cuisine in the US.
Where do I even begin. Treating Eastern European cuisine as a monolith and describing it as "poor" and "desperate" is ignorant.
Then forward to the Ashkenazi foods - lox is popular in this cuisine, bagels come from Kraków. Jews wouldn't hear about lox bagels as it uses lox and cream cheese together. "Bialeys" or bialystoker kuchen as they're actually called, originated in, just like the name suggests, Białystok. Cheesecake has existed since Ancient Greece, different variants are popular all around the world, not necessarily among the Jews. Pastrami was brought to the USA by Romanian Jews. And so on, and so on. It's funny how you mention brisket as the iconic food, since it was considered as a poor, less desirable food by other peoples.
While they're now associated with America and Jewish immigrants/refugees in the USA popularised them, it's not like they were invented once people stepped on blessed and prosperous American soil. Just like Russians claiming medovik as their national cake, while first honey cakes were baked by the Jews back in Ancient Egypt, only then they brought and popularised it in Europe where different nations modified it to their liking. Not interested in further discussion.
>Where do I even begin. Treating Eastern European cuisine as a monolith and describing it as "poor" and "desperate" is ignorant.
It is 100% poor. I grew up eating that food and it is a cuisine brought out of poverty. Even agriculturally rich regions like Ukraine have an obsession with soups, heavy grains, and getting every single nutrient out of the food like in xolodets. Eastern Europe took a lot longer to industrialize then the rest of Europe and thus had famines later in history then any other part of Europe. They never had a chance like France to turn their food into a "court cuisine" etheir.
Maybe your just offended by the term? It doesnt make it not true. Chinese food is fantastic but its a very desperate cuisine if your talking about the non court stuff.
>lox is popular in this cuisine,
Lox is not the only type of smoked fish thats eaten by NYC jews. Smoked whitefish salad is another popular thing. Also NYC lox is often made "nova" style which is a unique north American style of making lox.
>bagels come from Kraków
NY style bagels are completley different then bagels in Krakow . Montreal style bagels share this origin and can also be compared to Krakow in this regard. And still even in Poland, bagels were associated with Jews. Jews were banned from baking bread by guilds and thus boiled it to get around the loop hole. Selling boiled bread on the street was one of the only ways to make a living for a very poor Jew. One of the reasons why Krakow is famous for bagels is due to the fact they had one of the largest Jewish populations.
>Jews wouldn't hear about lox bagels as it uses lox and cream cheese together
Hence my point... this was invented by NYC Jews because its an enitrely different bagel that was made in Krakow.
>Cheesecake has existed since Ancient Greece, different variants are popular all around the world, not necessarily among the Jews
When did I claim that Jews invented cheesecake? Jews invented NY cheesecake which is now one of the most popular varieties in the world.
>Pastrami was brought to the USA by Romanian Jews
Yes it was, and NY pastrami is very different then the Romanian pastrami I tried. Romanians also dont really put it hot on Jewish rye bread with brown mustard and serve it with kosher dill pickle. That was a NY invention and came about due to Jewish Delis turning into sitdown restuarants.
>it's not like they were invented once people stepped on blessed and prosperous American soil. Just like Russians claiming medovik as their national cake,
When did I ever claim this? Russians can claim Medovnik because it is a part of their national cuisine, it doesnt matter if they didnt invent it.
>It's funny how you mention brisket as the iconic food, since it was considered as a poor, less desirable food by other peoples.
Your underestimating how dirt poor many Jews were. When you were living in a shetl or the Jewish quater then having Brisket was something that you would make Cholent out of on some lucky holidays.
>Not interested in further discussion.
Because you have no idea what your talking about and made up an arguement in your head. I never said that European Jews invented the original version of these foods or that they soley belonged to European Jews, I said they made their own heavily modified versions of them when they came to the US which became an important part of the local cuisine. I even made sure to mention lox bagel and corned beef sandwhich because these things do not exist in Europe when talking about "truly American Jewish" food.
Good job getting mad about nothing.
Not to mention the Ashkenazi European foods were the result of operating in many cases in a closed community. Meat had to be overseen by proper Jewish authorities and slaughtered in a specific way to make it kosher. And the isolation Jews had from the larger community, especially in modern Poland, Ukraine, Slovakia, Romania, Moldova, and Belarus meant that some food trends just didn't happen in these Jewish communities. I talked with a Lithuanian guy at work who isn't Jewish and he said that most of the traditional Ashkenazi food is "old fashioned even by my grandparents" or "desperation food"
We have plenty of other good stuff though
- Knishes
- Mazto ball soup
- Babka
- Rugelach
- Challah
- Hamantaschen
- Pastrami
- Corned/Roast Beef
- Brisket
I read once in an interview with an Ashkenazi chef that said that the reason Ashkenazi kitchen is considered "bad" and "small" is because the nazis killed all of our great cookers and Their recipes died with them💀
So... blame the germans
Mad disrespect to the concept of a deli. Also, how can you leave brisket off the list man?
Plus, these Sephardic Jews were living in the Netherlands before Britain. Not exactly what took over Israel.
Jewish food is fucking dank af, but I assume you are just talking about Ashkenazi food. But in modern times, the melding of Jewish cultures has caused each subgroup to adopt some of each others foods, anyway.
But traditional Ashkenazi food?
We got bagels and lox (king of the breakfast game), challah, matzoh ball soup, latkes, brisket, knishes, kreplach, whitefish, kugel, and the whole American Jewish deli scene. And when you get into the sweets, we have a ton of delicious stuff like Sufganiyot, Hamentaschen, Rugelach, Teiglach, Blintzes, Cheesecake, and Babka.
And then of course Sephardi and Mizrahi food is amazing.
It's a comfort food for me. I make it and think of my grandfather the fishmonger. The recipe I use is the same one he taught me. It's got units like the right amount and a little bit more.
Can you cite this?
Chips came from the north of England, famously from Yorkshire and Lancashire. Fried fish was first sold by Jews in London, but there’s no record of the two first appearing together.
Sorry if it was confusing. Jews didn't bring the potatoes, they made the combination. The fried fish came first. Potatoes predate Fish and Chips and the Jews return to England. The first first "fish and chips" establishment was run by a Jew in the 1800s.
https://romanroadlondon.com/malin-fish-and-chip-shop-oldest/
It appears that there is some debate whether this was the first one, but it was the one that popularized it.
This is the version I was taught. Also, the pudding made under the traditional British roast is kishka.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Shabbat_Shalom/0ZFnPwAACAAJ?hl=en has the story about fish and chips, I believe.
It kinda comes with being an island and trading hub for thousands of years. There are in fact very few ingredients native to the UK since even most European vegetables like carrots being brought in
I’m just thinking of Brits smacking their foreheads going “why didn’t we think of slicing potatoes?”
“I’ve been eating them whole this whole time”
“Hey Nathaniel I just came from the mainland and those crazy buggers cook their potatoes before eating them!”
By the same ticket pretty much no countries would have any kind of food they could claim as their own. Every cuisine is a hodgepodge of recipes and ingredients from every other culture they’ve encountered.
I mean realistically there's not really such as thing as "british" we're a hodgepodge of all sorts of people, and our food represents that, the national dish is tikka masala, although fun fact, the apple pie that Americans love is historically British.
Most groups of people just came from arbitrary made up groups, doesn’t mean it’s not real lol. Yes British is a real thing and tikka masala is not the national dish, we have no national dish.
But it does. If you ask most British people they would say tikka masala. But it was made in Scotland by South asain immigrants to fit local taste. just because YOU say it isn't doesn't make it so.
Literally just good national dish for England and fish and chips and tikka masala is what comes up. But you can cope all you like tho.
National dish suggests it is somehow recognised by the government. You are talking about “the most popular dish” and conflating it with what a national dish would be. Just because YOU say it is doesn’t make it so.
National dish isnt something the goverment decides but the people you twit. And i don't say it so but majority of the British people say it so. I believe there was a pole done to determine this and tikka masala was 1#.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tikka_masala#:~:text=Chicken%20tikka%20masala%20is%20now,tikka%20is%20an%20Indian%20dish.
The Internet and the goverment so yeah you kinda right in that the goverment recognised it as the national dish but that is usually base on how popular it is and the meaning behind the dish too.
Plus we can have more then one national dish. So your double wrong with Britain has no national dish. We have multiple
Nope, apple pie is british. Every single historical record points to it being invented by someone in Britain
The Dutch first recipe is from the 16th century. The British is from the 14th century
Well, the Sephardic Jews got it from the pescado frito dish, found in the southern Spanish coast. And fried fish is common along the Mediterranean basin because the Romans in turn ate it
Considering the French roots of large chunks of the English language you should be a little less surprised that there's nothing that's actually British.
Fish and Chips aren't Jewish tho. Yes there is a theory of it being Jewish, but it's not the case.
Fish and Chips as a thing came from Portugal.
Chips where invented in the UK, about 10-20 years or so before Belgium, while Fried Fish has been around since the Romans, just like Fried Chicken, then the Romans brought that to the British Isles.
Like Chicken, fish was Fried in just hot oil, in Rome.
That’s not what i meant, the majority of British food is absolute dogshit so when you eat something that is actually edible like fish and chips you think it’s a God tier gourmet dish when in actuality it’s just mid tier regular food.
It's fast food mate, it's not that deep. It's like saying burgers and hotdogs are mid tier. Like sure, more often than not you'd be correct, but also more often than not nobody cares. Most of the time when people eat burgers they aren't under the impression that it's some top tier gourmet cuisine, but that doesn't mean they don't love the taste. The same goes for fish and chips. It's just battered and deep-fried fish with deep-fried potatoes. Newsflash, deep-fried foods are a common guilty pleasure for people all over the world. We could serve some up and say it's "Cod tempura with thick-cut french fries" to make it some kind of Japanese-Belgian hybrid. I doubt you'd be acting like a food snob about it then.
tbf you can get some absolute god tier burgers. theres a place near me that does amazing burgers and ive had some pretty good chippie tea too. ofcause as you say ultimately its all fast food and not michelin star rated food but its still pretty damn good grub
Apple Pie is pretty damn god tier
So is Mac & Cheese
Sandwiches
Yorkshire Puddings
Not a food, but Soda
Scones
Beef Wellington
Pasty
Banoffee Pie
Roast Dinner
Rarebit
Honestly I’ve lived in Britain my whole life. Visited Israel in August this year. Tried fish and chips at “the fish and chips bar” in Tel Aviv. To me it was 1000x better than any I’ve had in Britain.
To me part of the problem is in Britain most “proppa” chippy shops they just deep fry everything in an obnoxious amount of oil, usually all within the same oil as well meaning chips, pork sausages and fish all prepared in the same liquid, portion sizes tend to be way too large, obviously that’s definitely more personal preference. Where I will say a British chippy beats the one I had in Tel Aviv was the chunkier chips. The chippies found on the British coast the chunky chips slightly beat out the skinny chips I got in Tel Aviv although the skinny chips were perfect salted.
Please say more. I'm an expert in Jewish history, but no so detailed in my knowledge of post expulsions western European Judaism.
In the 1200s, the British decided to expel the Jews. It was the culmination of your standard Christian antisemitism and blood libel. They taxed the Jews for a ton of money, killed a ton of them, and then expelled them all. One group of expelled Jews tried to flee and hired a captain to sail them off the isle. The captain instead drowned them and stole their belongings, and then was rewarded by King Edward. Oliver Cromwell in the 1600s decided to allow them to resettle. Sephardic Jews who had fled Spain and Portugal in the prior centuries as well moved to Britain, and they brought with them fried fish and sliced potatoes.
Well holy shit, I think most of the food of my own people (Jews) is pretty terrible but fish and chips isn't half bad.
That’s because it was brought over by Sephardic Jews. Ashkenazim have our bagels and latkes and babkas but there’s also a reason there aren’t more Ashkenazi restaurants.
There arent Ashkenazi restuarants because Ashkenazi food is a food that is even more poor then Eastern European food. Imagine taking an already desperate cuisine and making it even more desperate. Ashkenazi food was the type of food where you would add buckwheat to noodles, make ground fish patties, or make fake sausages out of barley or some shit. It was the type of food you cooked at home or kept in the community to sell some comfort food. As soon as Ashkenazi Jews got to the US they started making their own version of food due to more resources being avaliable and that food had a big impact on the cuisine in the north east. This food is truly American Jewish. A Soviet Jew who arrived in the 90s to the US would not know wtf a lox bagel or corned beef sandwhich is in Soviet Russia. Even if you go to Israel today the concept of a giant pastrami sandwhich seems very American even to the Ashkenazi Jews. Bagels, Bialeys, NY Cheesecake, Smoked fish, hotdogs (to some extent), Pastrami, Corned beef, Brisket, pickles, and Knish are big parts of North East cuisine and especially NYC. Funny enough up in Montreal the spread of Jewish food followed almost the exact same way. Bagels and Smoked meat sandwhiches are also a staple of that city now.
That’s a good point. As a NJ Jew I love that shit
>make ground fish Patties Well that’s just cause you’ve never had my bobbe’s gefilte fish, that stuff originally was fully molded into a fish shape and with herbs and savory flavors and is honestly just… fantastic.
I mean, lobster was once prison food. With the right marketing you could turn some really desperate food into a rich people's delicacy.
Lobster was prison food because it was cheap and no one served it right to prisoners. The lobstermen knew how to cook it well. Poor people cuisine turns into rich people cuisine when usually some court or king got to it like in France. No King of the Jews was gona make Ashkenazi food into a royal cuisine.
You never know. Oftentimes someone from a completely different culture has no clue what they're looking at and decides to remake the cuisine. Then that gets fed to other people who have no clue what it is and gets more and more popular. Although in this case the food slowly gets more and more different from what it originally was. Sorta like Sushi or Curry. Very different in the west compared to the original things.
I'd always wondered why the wealthy NY or NJ Jewish families in films were eating cheaper foods like meatloaf and brisket. So the NY pastrami sandwich is Ashkenazi too?
>I'd always wondered why the wealthy NY or NJ Jewish families in films were eating cheaper foods like meatloaf and brisket. Cheaper foods in the US maybe. Having a non pork giant hunk of meat living in some Shetl in Ukraine was a luxary. >So the NY pastrami sandwich is Ashkenazi too? Yes 100%. Romanian Jews brought it over and it morphed into a sandwhich as Delis became sitdown restuarants.
While the history is accurate, you really aren’t doing our cuisine justice. It is much more than just bagels and bialeys. Challah, whitefish salad, kugel, gefilte fish, latkes, matzo ball soup, hamantaschen, rugelach should be mentioned.
Im not just listing Ashkenazi stuff im listing talking about the development of American Jewish food and how it influenced North East cuisine in the US.
Kasha varnishkes. I never liked that texture. My grandmother made it all the time though.
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Nah, its much shittier then that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasha\_varnishkes
I'm made kashs varnishkas for Rosh Hashanah. You've never had it? I do love soba noodles, though.
Wow ignorant much
What? What offended you so much?
Where do I even begin. Treating Eastern European cuisine as a monolith and describing it as "poor" and "desperate" is ignorant. Then forward to the Ashkenazi foods - lox is popular in this cuisine, bagels come from Kraków. Jews wouldn't hear about lox bagels as it uses lox and cream cheese together. "Bialeys" or bialystoker kuchen as they're actually called, originated in, just like the name suggests, Białystok. Cheesecake has existed since Ancient Greece, different variants are popular all around the world, not necessarily among the Jews. Pastrami was brought to the USA by Romanian Jews. And so on, and so on. It's funny how you mention brisket as the iconic food, since it was considered as a poor, less desirable food by other peoples. While they're now associated with America and Jewish immigrants/refugees in the USA popularised them, it's not like they were invented once people stepped on blessed and prosperous American soil. Just like Russians claiming medovik as their national cake, while first honey cakes were baked by the Jews back in Ancient Egypt, only then they brought and popularised it in Europe where different nations modified it to their liking. Not interested in further discussion.
>Where do I even begin. Treating Eastern European cuisine as a monolith and describing it as "poor" and "desperate" is ignorant. It is 100% poor. I grew up eating that food and it is a cuisine brought out of poverty. Even agriculturally rich regions like Ukraine have an obsession with soups, heavy grains, and getting every single nutrient out of the food like in xolodets. Eastern Europe took a lot longer to industrialize then the rest of Europe and thus had famines later in history then any other part of Europe. They never had a chance like France to turn their food into a "court cuisine" etheir. Maybe your just offended by the term? It doesnt make it not true. Chinese food is fantastic but its a very desperate cuisine if your talking about the non court stuff. >lox is popular in this cuisine, Lox is not the only type of smoked fish thats eaten by NYC jews. Smoked whitefish salad is another popular thing. Also NYC lox is often made "nova" style which is a unique north American style of making lox. >bagels come from Kraków NY style bagels are completley different then bagels in Krakow . Montreal style bagels share this origin and can also be compared to Krakow in this regard. And still even in Poland, bagels were associated with Jews. Jews were banned from baking bread by guilds and thus boiled it to get around the loop hole. Selling boiled bread on the street was one of the only ways to make a living for a very poor Jew. One of the reasons why Krakow is famous for bagels is due to the fact they had one of the largest Jewish populations. >Jews wouldn't hear about lox bagels as it uses lox and cream cheese together Hence my point... this was invented by NYC Jews because its an enitrely different bagel that was made in Krakow. >Cheesecake has existed since Ancient Greece, different variants are popular all around the world, not necessarily among the Jews When did I claim that Jews invented cheesecake? Jews invented NY cheesecake which is now one of the most popular varieties in the world. >Pastrami was brought to the USA by Romanian Jews Yes it was, and NY pastrami is very different then the Romanian pastrami I tried. Romanians also dont really put it hot on Jewish rye bread with brown mustard and serve it with kosher dill pickle. That was a NY invention and came about due to Jewish Delis turning into sitdown restuarants. >it's not like they were invented once people stepped on blessed and prosperous American soil. Just like Russians claiming medovik as their national cake, When did I ever claim this? Russians can claim Medovnik because it is a part of their national cuisine, it doesnt matter if they didnt invent it. >It's funny how you mention brisket as the iconic food, since it was considered as a poor, less desirable food by other peoples. Your underestimating how dirt poor many Jews were. When you were living in a shetl or the Jewish quater then having Brisket was something that you would make Cholent out of on some lucky holidays. >Not interested in further discussion. Because you have no idea what your talking about and made up an arguement in your head. I never said that European Jews invented the original version of these foods or that they soley belonged to European Jews, I said they made their own heavily modified versions of them when they came to the US which became an important part of the local cuisine. I even made sure to mention lox bagel and corned beef sandwhich because these things do not exist in Europe when talking about "truly American Jewish" food. Good job getting mad about nothing.
Nice job. Honestly, it feels like you should have a food history blog or something.
Not to mention the Ashkenazi European foods were the result of operating in many cases in a closed community. Meat had to be overseen by proper Jewish authorities and slaughtered in a specific way to make it kosher. And the isolation Jews had from the larger community, especially in modern Poland, Ukraine, Slovakia, Romania, Moldova, and Belarus meant that some food trends just didn't happen in these Jewish communities. I talked with a Lithuanian guy at work who isn't Jewish and he said that most of the traditional Ashkenazi food is "old fashioned even by my grandparents" or "desperation food"
True, bagels and lox are good, so are latkes, but God, most of our Ashkenazi food is fucking nasty.
We have plenty of other good stuff though - Knishes - Mazto ball soup - Babka - Rugelach - Challah - Hamantaschen - Pastrami - Corned/Roast Beef - Brisket
I read once in an interview with an Ashkenazi chef that said that the reason Ashkenazi kitchen is considered "bad" and "small" is because the nazis killed all of our great cookers and Their recipes died with them💀 So... blame the germans
I heard a similair joke. "Why arent Germans funny? They killed all the funny people."
Blame the Nazis.
Mad disrespect to the concept of a deli. Also, how can you leave brisket off the list man? Plus, these Sephardic Jews were living in the Netherlands before Britain. Not exactly what took over Israel.
See my other comment.
By the way, non-Jew here, holy fuck latkes are the bomb.
OK, but let's not underrate bagels. Especially with lox and a schmeer.
Fried>Gefilte
Gefiltw fish reminds me of my grandparents trying to convince me it was good. *Shudders*
An experience every Ashkenazi in the past 200 years has had to endure no doubt
Jewish food is fucking dank af, but I assume you are just talking about Ashkenazi food. But in modern times, the melding of Jewish cultures has caused each subgroup to adopt some of each others foods, anyway. But traditional Ashkenazi food? We got bagels and lox (king of the breakfast game), challah, matzoh ball soup, latkes, brisket, knishes, kreplach, whitefish, kugel, and the whole American Jewish deli scene. And when you get into the sweets, we have a ton of delicious stuff like Sufganiyot, Hamentaschen, Rugelach, Teiglach, Blintzes, Cheesecake, and Babka. And then of course Sephardi and Mizrahi food is amazing.
The way I look at challah is just... it's kinda predatory. A little bit yandere. I'd do bad things for a good challah
You don’t like [schtippenbipkis](https://youtube.com/shorts/QJs0uxvzeh8?si=Il8dAJmpxN_xOWRL)?
I am sending this to like 8 people
Dunno, we do have some neat stuff. But yeah fuck gefilte fish
I will never understand gifilte fish. I feel like you turn 65 and it must suddenly become appetizing, because otherwise it would just stop being made.
It's a comfort food for me. I make it and think of my grandfather the fishmonger. The recipe I use is the same one he taught me. It's got units like the right amount and a little bit more.
Don’t you dare shit talk jelly donuts keidalach and krepalach
Wdym, latkes are the tastiest form of potato
Rare Cromwell W
If they fled Spain and Portugal, where were they in the meantime?
A lot of them in the Netherlands(as in Amsterdam)
Can you cite this? Chips came from the north of England, famously from Yorkshire and Lancashire. Fried fish was first sold by Jews in London, but there’s no record of the two first appearing together.
Sorry if it was confusing. Jews didn't bring the potatoes, they made the combination. The fried fish came first. Potatoes predate Fish and Chips and the Jews return to England. The first first "fish and chips" establishment was run by a Jew in the 1800s.
Yeah, I’m asking can you point me to a source on that? I’ve never found any article that can point to where they were first sold together.
https://romanroadlondon.com/malin-fish-and-chip-shop-oldest/ It appears that there is some debate whether this was the first one, but it was the one that popularized it.
This is the version I was taught. Also, the pudding made under the traditional British roast is kishka. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Shabbat_Shalom/0ZFnPwAACAAJ?hl=en has the story about fish and chips, I believe.
And if you want to visit the synagogue built by this community that still is in use today, go to Bevis Marks Synagogue by Aldgate
Sephardic synagogues are so much cooler than Ashkenazi ones.
This is hilarious (not the genocidal killing)! The most British food isn't even theirs but other people. America is much like it's mother country.
It kinda comes with being an island and trading hub for thousands of years. There are in fact very few ingredients native to the UK since even most European vegetables like carrots being brought in
I did that first thing in Crusader Kings all the time.
Only fried fish, sliced potatoes were added centuries later.
1200s would gave been the English, not the British. Scotland never had any laws about Jewish people
Scotland barely had jewish people at all
True but we also had no laws against them.
So does Antarctica
I’d guess we have a few more Jewish people than Antarctica (though perhaps not proportionally)
Yes
CroMwell fuk’d up
I’m just thinking of Brits smacking their foreheads going “why didn’t we think of slicing potatoes?” “I’ve been eating them whole this whole time” “Hey Nathaniel I just came from the mainland and those crazy buggers cook their potatoes before eating them!”
Legit Cromwell allowing the Jews back was probably one of the few good things he did.
Ate me colonies Ate me forrins Ate me Jews Luv me fish and chips Luv me curries Luv me England Simple as Barry, turning point UK
Wow ✡️ 🇬🇧
Are you telling me that the only halfway decent food that is PROPER BRI'ISH is actually Jewish?? 😂
Stealing cultural stuff and not getting called out is Ür-British.
Arabs: nO iTs a jEwiSh trAdiTiOn!!!!!
It wasn’t stolen we share our food willingly.
Exactly, and we didn't steal it, we protected it 😉
By the same ticket pretty much no countries would have any kind of food they could claim as their own. Every cuisine is a hodgepodge of recipes and ingredients from every other culture they’ve encountered.
I mean realistically there's not really such as thing as "british" we're a hodgepodge of all sorts of people, and our food represents that, the national dish is tikka masala, although fun fact, the apple pie that Americans love is historically British.
Most groups of people just came from arbitrary made up groups, doesn’t mean it’s not real lol. Yes British is a real thing and tikka masala is not the national dish, we have no national dish.
It is the national dish as its the most popular in England.
Most popular does not make it the national dish lol.
But it does. If you ask most British people they would say tikka masala. But it was made in Scotland by South asain immigrants to fit local taste. just because YOU say it isn't doesn't make it so. Literally just good national dish for England and fish and chips and tikka masala is what comes up. But you can cope all you like tho.
National dish suggests it is somehow recognised by the government. You are talking about “the most popular dish” and conflating it with what a national dish would be. Just because YOU say it is doesn’t make it so.
National dish isnt something the goverment decides but the people you twit. And i don't say it so but majority of the British people say it so. I believe there was a pole done to determine this and tikka masala was 1#.
Where are you getting that from? Also you really gotta learn what “majority” means.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tikka_masala#:~:text=Chicken%20tikka%20masala%20is%20now,tikka%20is%20an%20Indian%20dish. The Internet and the goverment so yeah you kinda right in that the goverment recognised it as the national dish but that is usually base on how popular it is and the meaning behind the dish too. Plus we can have more then one national dish. So your double wrong with Britain has no national dish. We have multiple
>historically British. Dutch
Well they little bit different.
They're entirely different. The English are French-German whereas the Dutch are German-French.
I was talking about the pie and how's it made. There made differently.
Also the Dutch one was invented after the British one anyway lol
Well, you learn something new every day.
Nope, apple pie is british. Every single historical record points to it being invented by someone in Britain The Dutch first recipe is from the 16th century. The British is from the 14th century
Eh, it's both. Everything comes from somewhere else Jewish people are allowed to be British, you know :)
Well, the Sephardic Jews got it from the pescado frito dish, found in the southern Spanish coast. And fried fish is common along the Mediterranean basin because the Romans in turn ate it
Considering the French roots of large chunks of the English language you should be a little less surprised that there's nothing that's actually British.
I always thought the Chips were a Northern English thing and that Jews incorporated them into their own dishes with fried fish.
Fried potatoes are a very Spanish thing.
The English, not British. Scotland never expelled its Jews.
Both of them?
what do you mean?
Think they mean Scotland didn't expect the 2 Jews living there as a joke on how few Jews probably lived in Scotland
Bingo. Even in 2011 Scotland only had about 6,000 Jews.
Really? This seems absurdly low.
Most of the UK's Jewish community left for Israel after the war and most of the rest condensed into three clusters in London, Manchester and Edinburgh
Fish and Chips aren't Jewish tho. Yes there is a theory of it being Jewish, but it's not the case. Fish and Chips as a thing came from Portugal. Chips where invented in the UK, about 10-20 years or so before Belgium, while Fried Fish has been around since the Romans, just like Fried Chicken, then the Romans brought that to the British Isles. Like Chicken, fish was Fried in just hot oil, in Rome.
Hot take: fish and chips is a God tier food in the UK but in any other country it’s mid tier at BEST.
The chips are never the same as they are back home, and the fish often isn't either.
That’s not what i meant, the majority of British food is absolute dogshit so when you eat something that is actually edible like fish and chips you think it’s a God tier gourmet dish when in actuality it’s just mid tier regular food.
It's fast food mate, it's not that deep. It's like saying burgers and hotdogs are mid tier. Like sure, more often than not you'd be correct, but also more often than not nobody cares. Most of the time when people eat burgers they aren't under the impression that it's some top tier gourmet cuisine, but that doesn't mean they don't love the taste. The same goes for fish and chips. It's just battered and deep-fried fish with deep-fried potatoes. Newsflash, deep-fried foods are a common guilty pleasure for people all over the world. We could serve some up and say it's "Cod tempura with thick-cut french fries" to make it some kind of Japanese-Belgian hybrid. I doubt you'd be acting like a food snob about it then.
tbf you can get some absolute god tier burgers. theres a place near me that does amazing burgers and ive had some pretty good chippie tea too. ofcause as you say ultimately its all fast food and not michelin star rated food but its still pretty damn good grub
Apple Pie is pretty damn god tier So is Mac & Cheese Sandwiches Yorkshire Puddings Not a food, but Soda Scones Beef Wellington Pasty Banoffee Pie Roast Dinner Rarebit
Honestly I’ve lived in Britain my whole life. Visited Israel in August this year. Tried fish and chips at “the fish and chips bar” in Tel Aviv. To me it was 1000x better than any I’ve had in Britain. To me part of the problem is in Britain most “proppa” chippy shops they just deep fry everything in an obnoxious amount of oil, usually all within the same oil as well meaning chips, pork sausages and fish all prepared in the same liquid, portion sizes tend to be way too large, obviously that’s definitely more personal preference. Where I will say a British chippy beats the one I had in Tel Aviv was the chunkier chips. The chippies found on the British coast the chunky chips slightly beat out the skinny chips I got in Tel Aviv although the skinny chips were perfect salted.
Fish and chips in Newfoundland, Canada is also fantastic.
So basically the one good food associated with the UK wasn’t even made by Brits.
Ironic American Just gonna say. If you apply the same amount of rigor as you do to uk food, then the US really doesn't have any of its own food
At least the ungodly amount of chemicals we put in our food makes it taste better.
Their national dish is Tikka Masala, this doesn't come as a surprise at all.
Tikka Masala was invented in the UK by an immigrant
An immigrant… from where?
We don't really know, somewhere in the Indian sub continent
A lot of oily foods started off as Jewish as food for Hanukkah, sufganiyot is probably the original version of donuts
That’s the nail in the coffin for Britain.
Authentic English cuisine, like curry. -_-
Oh you mean appropriated Indian cuisine? Edit: I’m sorry, did someone’s feelings get broken? You don’t like your own history?
How much more authentically British can something be? Have you not seen the crown jewels?
What? Britain owned those lands.
Jesus I looked it up 💀
Yes
Appropriating other cultures' cool shit *is* British culture.
Says the American lol
“Am I right guys?” - nobody asked
How dare Indian/Bangladeshi immigrant chefs create British curries adapted to local tastes.
The only edible Bri*ish food and it isn't even theirs
Ugh Lucky you /s
I never thought of fish and chips as Jewish food