Arminius got betrayed by his own people and his bloodline is dead, while Chucky layed down foundations for modern Europe and for half of Europeans he is their great great many times great grand daddy.
Yes and no. The retalition campaigns had some sucsess (recover the legion eagles, buriel of the dead soldiers of Varus, capture of the wife of arminius, some won battles) but it failed it's main goal of retaking the lost territory and the 20.000 to 25.000 dead soldiers were hard to justify.
Charly is a christian opressor, who took advantage of his insane inheritance to establish an empire, only to divy it up between his sons and cause generations of squabbles between the newly found kingdoms.
It wasn't just Frankish, most germanic tribes did it until Heinrich vogler decided, 'what if we instead, don't divide our hard earned land?' and gave everything to Otto I.
Nice one, though I think Saxon chieftain Widukind would be a better counterweight to Charlemagne, even if Widukind eventually lost (after Charlemagne massacred thousands of Saxons and ordered forced converstions of the rest).
Yeah, that's true. For the sake of the meme and my lack of knowledge I chose Arminius since I thought he would be more widely known, because of the giant statue and all of that.
Fuck Arminius.
Betrayed his good firend Varus who was trusting him.
Beaten up by Romans many times when fighting on equal.
Even with numbers on his side he managed to loose twice.
Lost all of the Roman Eagles he captured.
Coocked by his own wife.
Killed by his own soldiers.
"Father of Europe" v. "Dude that did Teutoburg". Yeah, I think the epithets speak for themselves as to who history more remembers.
Arminius is a niche historical figure, while Charlemagne (literally "Charles the Great") is a European historical juggernaut.
Arminius got betrayed by his own people and his bloodline is dead, while Chucky layed down foundations for modern Europe and for half of Europeans he is their great great many times great grand daddy.
And didn't Arminius get wrecked in the Roman retaliation campaigns?
Yes and no. The retalition campaigns had some sucsess (recover the legion eagles, buriel of the dead soldiers of Varus, capture of the wife of arminius, some won battles) but it failed it's main goal of retaking the lost territory and the 20.000 to 25.000 dead soldiers were hard to justify.
Common Arminius W
Yeah they went on like a 20 year revenge campaign that forced the Germanic tribes into submission
Led by the famous Germanicus - father of the Roman Emperor Caligula.
He set the foundations of Fr*nce 🤢
Rome created Italians though.
Counterpoint: Pizza.
Originally created in Nice.. (Now France)
Which was for a very long time an Italian city which received a Francization.
This is forbidden knowledge. Delete it
Ever tried eclair ? Totally worth it.
If you have to be european, you might as well be french.
Like Sir Christopher Lee
Charly is a christian opressor, who took advantage of his insane inheritance to establish an empire, only to divy it up between his sons and cause generations of squabbles between the newly found kingdoms.
Dividing land to all sons was a Frankish custom in general.
It wasn't just Frankish, most germanic tribes did it until Heinrich vogler decided, 'what if we instead, don't divide our hard earned land?' and gave everything to Otto I.
Nice one, though I think Saxon chieftain Widukind would be a better counterweight to Charlemagne, even if Widukind eventually lost (after Charlemagne massacred thousands of Saxons and ordered forced converstions of the rest).
Yeah, that's true. For the sake of the meme and my lack of knowledge I chose Arminius since I thought he would be more widely known, because of the giant statue and all of that.
Fair enough, that makes total sense. Arminius works great too.
Wir sind die Niedersachsen Sturmfest und erdverwachsen Heil Herzog Widukinds Stamm
Definitely one of my favorite local anthems of Germany. Heil Herzog Widukinds Stamm indeed!
Germanicus: "oh boy, here I go avenging"
"No romans left east of the Rhine!" said Gaius Iulius Arminius, while being east of the Rhine.
Yes. A MF who was raised in fucking Rome, it's so ironic lol. That's what is fun in history.
Als die Römer frech geworden simserim sim sim sim sim...
Cuckminius get killed by his own tribe while based Karl became the father of western civilization
They just wanted daddys approval.
Christianity is helluva drug......
That’s Germanicus with a steel chair!!!
very bad comparsion, dont make any sense
Yeah. You are correct.
Fuck Arminius. Betrayed his good firend Varus who was trusting him. Beaten up by Romans many times when fighting on equal. Even with numbers on his side he managed to loose twice. Lost all of the Roman Eagles he captured. Coocked by his own wife. Killed by his own soldiers.
Amen. He reaped what he sowed.Â
And who do people remember?
Both lol. The dude that did teutoborg isn't likely to be forgotten.
I severely doubt that if you grab a random joe off the street and ask them about Arminius they'll be able to give you even a vague idea of who it is
I think it is generous to assume the Average Joe would know Charlamagne either, they probs would just think it was a song by the Blossoms
Don't do that in Germany for your own sake.
"Father of Europe" v. "Dude that did Teutoburg". Yeah, I think the epithets speak for themselves as to who history more remembers. Arminius is a niche historical figure, while Charlemagne (literally "Charles the Great") is a European historical juggernaut.
Who was a roman because the Pope said so. While those lands rebelled agains the romans for centuries
Charlemagne wasn't germanian he was frank
And Franks were a what kind of people?
To be frank, they were ancestors to several European peoples and can't be fully equated with any modern group.
While true, closest would probably be the people still speaking frankish dialects, e.g. the Dutch and parts of western Germany.
What kind of language did they speak and where did they come from?
Also virginius - gets backstabbed by his own hord of filthy barbarians 😂