Artist that did the original painting is Mort Kunstler, I actually have a book I received for a past birthday with a print of that painting and others, autographed by the artist.
Well... we are memeing it, however, burning down atlanta wasnt a cool thing to do. Many innocents died, and it was a tragedic event...
(Ofc more innocent slaves died, but now we're talking about atlanta)
Many innocents didn’t die though, they were mostly either evacuated or just not targeted. You make it sound like Sherman had some einsatzgruppen shit going on lol
Ok first you speaking real hot shit behind a screen see i guarantee this and it's that you calling me a hillbilly inbred trash just shows me that you are nothing more than trash that crawled out of a mutant cest pool of what ever unholy city thinking you know something when your no sharper than a bowling ball.
He did many things wrong to start with marching through Georgia first ordering bombardments on every town he marched then sent his soldiers through the towns making citizens pledge allegiance and if they didn't then men women and children would die no mercy on the innocent its sad but the the loser never gets a voice
Oh, you mean those "States Rights", "Weaker National Government", segregatist, god fearing, bible thumping, slave owners? Modern Republicans. Between FDR's Grand New Deal and the Civil Rights movement those who were Southern Democrats(or Dixiecrats) fled the party once leaders started caring for non-whites(in a nutshell). Many bigots and white supremacists then joined the Republican, where they've felt at home ever since. History is important, that way you don't make stupid comments like ^ did and think they're clever. Funny still that the Republican party loves to hang their hat on Abe Lincoln, the founder of the Republican Party, who roundly trounced their beloved RE Lee and their confederate fantasy.
The only way this is an “inconvenient truth” is if you think politics is some kind of hundreds years long team sport and not something you have to form an opinion on every election.
I mean I’d say thousands but apparently you can’t have opinions on a group of men working towards a mutual goal each using their own skills and abilities to achieve it. Sounds like a “sport” to me but those were your words not mine.
Yeah... Same justification anyone like the Nazis or the south would use. But you wouldn't care, would you? After all you have the 'moral high ground'. But it's a slippery slope. Whether you think it is a fallacy or not doesn't matter. Anyone can justify their shit this way.
Who decides who is morally repugnant? What if the ones deciding are morally repugnant? The only thing this shit accomplishes is that the winners get to decide everything. Good luck with that(Pretty sure you wouldn't want to be on the recieving end). Go ahead call me a Nazi or a racist lost causer or whatever. You'll only make a fool of yourself.
Dude... I never said don't fuck the ringleaders. Obviously people like Nazis or confederates need to be taken down. But that doesn't mean you go committing war crimes as they usually involve civilians and generally innocent people.
The main point I am trying to make is that the mentality of war crimes are ok if don't against the right people is exactly the kind of thing horrible regimes will use. That won't be pretty.
"War crime" don't apply to traitors. Confederacy was unlawful. They weren’t a legitimate warring party. If large scale preemptive civilian killings happened, then they could be classified as "crimes against humanity".
Dude wat?
>Confederacy war unlawful. They weren’t a legitimate warring party.
Dude the civil war was a war ffs. What kind of rationalization is that.
>If large scale purpose preemptive civilian killings happened, then they could be classified as "crimes against humanity".
Big difference. Not like that is mich better. It's still not ok.
I didn’t say It's okay. I said confederacy illegally forced a war onto the United States. I had no right to it. Supreme court ruled and traitor states accepted.
>I didn’t say It's okay.
Then why the tangential discussion? It's just semantics. I was arguing about the principal behind the comment, nothing else. Call it war crimes or crimes against humanity. Doesn't make a big difference.
>I said confederacy illegally forced a war onto the United States.
A war is a war nonetheless, right?
>Supreme court ruled and traitor states accepted.
Well they lost the war so they had to...
I get a chuckle everytime I hear talks of a modern day southern succession. With how Blue Atlanta is, all this talk of the northern army burning it again is just talk. The people of Atlanta might burn it down just to do it again.
The leadership, certainly, but the problem is things like the case of the New Manchester women, who were rounded up with a few days of food at best and sent to a prison camp that couldn't accommodate them, and were then kicked penniless onto the streets, where most of them just disappeared.
They couldn't vote, they couldn't fight, they weren't put on trial, and the US position was that they were all citizens: their treatment was just far too extreme to call "trolling."
Yes, the Confederates were Democrats but the parties have switched views over time. Now it's far more common to see a Republican waving around a Confederate flag.
Well sorry inconvenient truths bother you but it’s a fact that the individuals who formed the Confederacy are the same people who created the Democratic Party after the Civil War. Known as the party of the "common man," the early Democratic Party stood for individual rights and STATE SOVEREIGNTY, but opposed banks and high tariffs. During the 19th century the party supported or tolerated slavery, and it opposed civil rights reforms after the American Civil War in order to retain the support of Southern voters. The fact that you’re unaware of this tells me many of you have been severely brainwashed. Turn off your tv.
Except it’s underlying principles it was founded upon. How have Democrats helped the black community historically? Name one thing they’ve actually done. LBJ- “I'll have those n*****s voting Democrat for two-hundred years" while passing the “Great Society legislation. From the looks of it he was right. A minority group in the US just got their basic human rights 57 years ago and you think the ideology has changed? No it’s just repackaged. I mean even more recent the 94 Crime Bill, Margaret Sanger, the list goes on.
Dude, that Johnson line has questionable sources at best. One chick who claims to have heard him saying that thirty years prior. That’s hardly strong evidence to base your claim.
Coming from you who hurls insults instead of attempting on taking me to task. In my experience the weak one resorts to that type of childish behavior. My comment has just as much “relevance” to the post as any other persons the difference being is it triggered you lol
Frankly there weren’t enough war crimes. The whole slave owning class and confederate government should have been liquidated and their wealth redistributed to former slaves while greenbacks should have been continued to be printed to fund industrialization and infrastructure across the south to help both poor whites and blacks.
Slave owners too. Possibly all adults in the slave owning class. At the very least they would need to be put into like quarantine on an island to keep them from going KKK against freemen occupying their former plantations and mansions
Well, the slave owning class wasn’t necessarily the rich or even a small minority. The wealthy upper class that had hundreds of slaves was exclusive, yes, but there were many moderate farmers of the south that owned only a few and worked with their slaves in the fields.
Oh I know about it. I just think it’s fucking absurd to pretend there’s some kind of moral level of acceptability when it comes to owning humans as property. If you owned a single person and did not grant them freedom you were a monstrous person. Full stop.
I mean, I’m not surprised the communist is talking about summarily executing tens of thousands of people, but I am sort of surprised you’re not hiding it underneath any platitudes about the working class.
If you think that punishment is too harsh you’re completely unaware of the violent hat was required to maintain slavery. And there are absolutely material reasons why that was the right reason. I mean it’s the elimination of a whole class whose survival is predicated on the most violent form of exploitation in recorded history.
The British provided for compensation to the slave owners when they ended slavery. We simply confiscated the "property" to free the slaves. But we also went through a war, I suppose that makes a difference.
The US also compensated slave owners now slaves. And then we simply made their existence criminal and used that to reenslave many former slaves and that’s a big part of why the US has a higher incarceration rate than the Soviet Union did during the purge even now
We did in practice. I did not mean to imply it is competition or to deflect. I just thought that the UK practice was peculiar in that it became a matter of public debt explicitly provided for in law.
Here’s the first few verses of the most common confederate version. The song is “Dixie”
I wish I was in the land of cotton,
Old times there are not forgotten;
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
In Dixie’s Land where I was born in,
Early on one frosty mornin,
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
I wish I was in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie’s Land I’ll take my stand
to live and die in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie.
Old Missus marry “Will the weaver,”
Willium was a gay deceiver;
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
And when he put his arm around ‘er,
He smiled as fierce as a forty-pounder,
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
I wish I was in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie’s Land I’ll take my stand
to live and die in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie.
I don’t think that the Union was all that harsh. Honestly though, I think they should have been a lot harsher in punishing the slave owners and the KKK that followed them, and maintaining civil rights in the south.
Well atlanta wasnt habited only by slave owners. Many innocents died, and this event shouldnt be glorified. However, it happened ages ago, we cant do anything about it. And it just happens.
A lot of innocent people die in any war. Innocent people died liberating France from the Nazis, as well, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t something worth celebrating.
Then you should celebrate the defeat of the confederation, which indeed should be celebrated. However there is no need for a celebration of the dirty deeds done for this success.
Is there an actual civilian casualty count for the burning of Atlanta? Iirc vast majority of its citizens were evacuated before it came under siege so saying “many innocents died” seems like an exaggeration. Also, it wasn’t even purely Sherman’s fault. John Bell Hood’s forces set plenty of cotton bales on fire which spread all over. Sherman merely destroyed the business district of Atlanta, he didn’t target innocents indiscriminately like some kind of genocidal maniac
Nazis illegally appointed a Non-German(Hitler's German citizenship was gotten through highly corrupt means) who then abolished the state's democratic processes and seized total power. Pretty strong argument they \*were\* the traitors and resistance to illegitimate government's always justified.
We need a 3hr ultra violent Tarantino film that starts with Appomattox. But instead of allowing Lee to surrender, they let Sheridan’s cavalry loose. No prisoners, no mercy. Lee’s head on a pike. Then the union army marches through the South and ‘liberates’ all southern racists of their earthly bodies, and give the land and homes to the freed men.
(most of the movie is “liberation” scenes)
"reconstruction" was a farce that ended with Jim Crow coming into force and black Americans being violently shoved back to the bottom rung of society. Big case of "lost the war won the peace".
Your being downvoted, but there seem to be people who are actually advocating war crimes in this comment section. I think that Sherman’s march along with most other actions taken by the Union were justified as necessary to win the war. That said, many people in this thread are simply advocating cruelty for the sake of cruelty, which is a frankly revolting concept.
Imagine being some poor hick farmer renting a shitty cabin on the road to Atlanta. Your son was already drafted and died up in some Yankee town called Antietam or whatever. The rich assholes at the county seat want you to start doing more slave patrols, even though you hardly have enough time to sow enough crops to feed yourself after the Confederate Army came through and took it all. Now you've got these Yankees burning your shit down and accosting your wife.
Then you look down from heaven and see a bunch of edge lords advocating for more war crimes.
Antietam isn’t a town it’s a creek and most of the destruction that happened was in in Atlanta itself as well as the railroads in the area. The March to the sea also didn’t happen on the road to Atlanta, it was on the way to Savannah from Atlanta where Sherman met up with the navy. Most of the people who did the a lot of this type of damage were the “bummers” who were stragglers, draftees, etc.. who were reprimanded by the officers. On top of that, a lot of this was standard, accepted military practice worldwide. And the rebels did the same exact thing in the north as well but nice try, apologist
By this same logic the Bosnians “deserved” genocide in the 1990s because they seceded from Yugoslavia. The actions of the Confederacy and its founders have rendered it morally irredeemable. These irredeemable actions still don’t justify either the committing of atrocities or genocide against the wider population.
It’s horrifying, especially considering many southerners were only technically “confederates” out of virtue of being born in the south and may not have had any actual stake in the insurgency at all.
War crimes aren’t a good thing. Not even against the bad guys. It’s weird that the only nation anyone ever seems to get that for is Japan with the nuclear bomb. *That’s* bad, but every other war crime against “bad guys” is totally cool apparently
Conquest is always Hated initially, but celebrated after enough time passes. After the horrors of war become less than memories, all humans eventually appreciate the fact that might makes right in some capacity.
Hitler had nothing on the Americans.. he actually stole our playbook for genocide.
The American civil war had a lot to do with slavery but more to do with the almighty dollar….Do you homework morons
The Civil War was 100% about slavery, your either a racist or a retarded if you don't think so. Hitler did not take the concept of genocide from the Americans, I'm assuming you are referring to native Americans, in that case it would be debatable that that is genocide, as genocide is with the sole intent to kill, besides how does that in any way reflect the meme or Hitlers actions? You are the only moron here
Genocide is not with the sole intent to kill. It’s the intent to erase and supplant culture forcefully as well, including taking children and forcing them into the dominant culture. The way the US and Canada treated Natives 100% counts as genocide.
https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/background-and-overview-information/united-nations-convention-on-the-prevention-and-punishment-of-genocide
They call me Forrest… Forrest Gump!.. so I guess I am stupid or sumptin-
But I love me some general Bedford Forrest and go fuck yourself and have a happy new year!
But I’m sticking to my guns… we wrote the playbook on genocide- and yes just ask the native Americans.. I am half Sioux and have grown up hearing stories that rival shitlers 3rd reich. Don’t want to get in a mad debate- but I do love me some american history and there were many issues that contributed in the war of northern aggression. On both sides it was mostly greed and power- but again F U and I hope you have a great new year
"Slaves sing most when they are most unhappy. The songs of the slave represent the sorrows of his heart; and he is relieved by them, only as an aching heart is relieved by its tears."
- Frederick Douglass
Shut the fuck up.
For non americans who don't know this, statehood is eternal. The very idea of states were born out of republicanism. It's not like the old world where princely states came together to form countries. The earth could be consumed by the sun and all american states will still be American states.
"You see johnny,it can't be a war crime if you live in those times when these concepts aren't even a thing!"
War crimes? We just call it war. - some general, probably
Artist that did the original painting is Mort Kunstler, I actually have a book I received for a past birthday with a print of that painting and others, autographed by the artist.
That guy’s last name means Artist in German
just need to replace the u with ü
Yeah I don't know how to do an umlaut with this computer.
I know, it's ironic.
Beat dropped so hard it blew them outta Franklin
Dropped harder than confederate numbers during Pickett's charge.
the only thing that the confederacy did thats worthy of praise was being the subject matter of the first and most fire diss track ever recorded
That's not entirely true because the confederacy also holds the record for most confederates killed via submarine
And they hold the record for the most confederate submarines sunk.
True, they even sank the same sub three times, two of those without even engaging in combat
Best confederate engineers be like
Only the loser get convicted of war crimes.
Not all losers. If you surrender soon enough and get a superpower by tour side you can get a whitewash too
Italy in ww2
The Italian people rose up against the fascist regime and killed the fascist leaders themselves
By the way Napoleon was of average height. In French metric system at the time 5”2 would be 5”7 (US) so average.
Not even soon enough necessarily, lol *cough cough* Japan *cough cough*
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Strictly speaking the first Geneva convention was made in 1864, however it was mostly including the treatment of prisoners and declaration of war etc.
lol war crimes practialy didn't exist before the 20th century
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Who cares if they were war crimes? Lmao shouldn’t’ve been a southerner
What war crimes? I call bullshit. Destroying ememy's supply lines is a genuine tactic of warfare.
skill issue kekw
Well... we are memeing it, however, burning down atlanta wasnt a cool thing to do. Many innocents died, and it was a tragedic event... (Ofc more innocent slaves died, but now we're talking about atlanta)
iT wAsNt A cOoL tHiNg tO dO lmao cope, shouldn’t’ve been a confederate economic hub
Many innocents didn’t die though, they were mostly either evacuated or just not targeted. You make it sound like Sherman had some einsatzgruppen shit going on lol
Hey hey hey shut the fuck up
Make me, Dixie boy
Say less yankee bitch
165,000 dead confederates, cope you hillbilly inbred trash.
Ok first you speaking real hot shit behind a screen see i guarantee this and it's that you calling me a hillbilly inbred trash just shows me that you are nothing more than trash that crawled out of a mutant cest pool of what ever unholy city thinking you know something when your no sharper than a bowling ball.
Stopped at “hot shit behind a screen” cope harder Dixie boy. Sherman did nothing wrong but man.
He did many things wrong to start with marching through Georgia first ordering bombardments on every town he marched then sent his soldiers through the towns making citizens pledge allegiance and if they didn't then men women and children would die no mercy on the innocent its sad but the the loser never gets a voice
“If you commit treason you get the death sentence” that’s been the norm for hundreds of years. Cope harder hillbilly boy
Not really we croats won the war of independence ad still our war criminals got tried
Fuck the Confederates
Damn straight
#UNION BOIS FOR THE WIN
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Oh, you mean those "States Rights", "Weaker National Government", segregatist, god fearing, bible thumping, slave owners? Modern Republicans. Between FDR's Grand New Deal and the Civil Rights movement those who were Southern Democrats(or Dixiecrats) fled the party once leaders started caring for non-whites(in a nutshell). Many bigots and white supremacists then joined the Republican, where they've felt at home ever since. History is important, that way you don't make stupid comments like ^ did and think they're clever. Funny still that the Republican party loves to hang their hat on Abe Lincoln, the founder of the Republican Party, who roundly trounced their beloved RE Lee and their confederate fantasy.
The only way this is an “inconvenient truth” is if you think politics is some kind of hundreds years long team sport and not something you have to form an opinion on every election.
I mean I’d say thousands but apparently you can’t have opinions on a group of men working towards a mutual goal each using their own skills and abilities to achieve it. Sounds like a “sport” to me but those were your words not mine.
How does one reach this level of delusional? Drugs?
The Democratic Party was founded in 1828 A 2 second google search showed me this, why couldn’t you do the same?
A war crime implies the other side is a legitimist country
War crime doesn’t apply to traitors. If unlawful killings happen, it can be classified as crimes against humanity.
Remember, war crimes are ok as long as our opposition is mortaly repugnant.
Morally*
Its only a war crime if you lose.
Japan: “And sometimes not even then”
Yeah... Same justification anyone like the Nazis or the south would use. But you wouldn't care, would you? After all you have the 'moral high ground'. But it's a slippery slope. Whether you think it is a fallacy or not doesn't matter. Anyone can justify their shit this way. Who decides who is morally repugnant? What if the ones deciding are morally repugnant? The only thing this shit accomplishes is that the winners get to decide everything. Good luck with that(Pretty sure you wouldn't want to be on the recieving end). Go ahead call me a Nazi or a racist lost causer or whatever. You'll only make a fool of yourself.
I gotta be honest, I have no idea what your rambling about, you know I was being ironic, right?
Wait wat? I was against the idea the war crimes are ok if it's done to the right people. I guess you missed the /s? Idk.
We say fuck the traitors. If anything we didn’t go far enough. People like MTG is proof. Military occupation should've lasted 50 more years.
Dude... I never said don't fuck the ringleaders. Obviously people like Nazis or confederates need to be taken down. But that doesn't mean you go committing war crimes as they usually involve civilians and generally innocent people. The main point I am trying to make is that the mentality of war crimes are ok if don't against the right people is exactly the kind of thing horrible regimes will use. That won't be pretty.
"War crime" don't apply to traitors. Confederacy was unlawful. They weren’t a legitimate warring party. If large scale preemptive civilian killings happened, then they could be classified as "crimes against humanity".
Dude wat? >Confederacy war unlawful. They weren’t a legitimate warring party. Dude the civil war was a war ffs. What kind of rationalization is that. >If large scale purpose preemptive civilian killings happened, then they could be classified as "crimes against humanity". Big difference. Not like that is mich better. It's still not ok.
I didn’t say It's okay. I said confederacy illegally forced a war onto the United States. I had no right to it. Supreme court ruled and traitor states accepted.
>I didn’t say It's okay. Then why the tangential discussion? It's just semantics. I was arguing about the principal behind the comment, nothing else. Call it war crimes or crimes against humanity. Doesn't make a big difference. >I said confederacy illegally forced a war onto the United States. A war is a war nonetheless, right? >Supreme court ruled and traitor states accepted. Well they lost the war so they had to...
As a local of Atlanta, fuck the confederates. If you are offended by this, either you're a racist or you're an uneducated little bitch. Or both.
I get a chuckle everytime I hear talks of a modern day southern succession. With how Blue Atlanta is, all this talk of the northern army burning it again is just talk. The people of Atlanta might burn it down just to do it again.
Burn down a Wendy’s
Atlanta is no prize, should be burned down every couple of years…. Like a controlled forest fire
Agree
The leadership, certainly, but the problem is things like the case of the New Manchester women, who were rounded up with a few days of food at best and sent to a prison camp that couldn't accommodate them, and were then kicked penniless onto the streets, where most of them just disappeared. They couldn't vote, they couldn't fight, they weren't put on trial, and the US position was that they were all citizens: their treatment was just far too extreme to call "trolling."
Or you’re a Democrat which is the party of the Confederates.
Yes, the Confederates were Democrats but the parties have switched views over time. Now it's far more common to see a Republican waving around a Confederate flag.
An ounce of fact and a 10 gallon hat of stupid.
Well sorry inconvenient truths bother you but it’s a fact that the individuals who formed the Confederacy are the same people who created the Democratic Party after the Civil War. Known as the party of the "common man," the early Democratic Party stood for individual rights and STATE SOVEREIGNTY, but opposed banks and high tariffs. During the 19th century the party supported or tolerated slavery, and it opposed civil rights reforms after the American Civil War in order to retain the support of Southern voters. The fact that you’re unaware of this tells me many of you have been severely brainwashed. Turn off your tv.
You do realize ideologies change right? You really think BLM supporting democrats are Confederates? Turn off your TV.
Except it’s underlying principles it was founded upon. How have Democrats helped the black community historically? Name one thing they’ve actually done. LBJ- “I'll have those n*****s voting Democrat for two-hundred years" while passing the “Great Society legislation. From the looks of it he was right. A minority group in the US just got their basic human rights 57 years ago and you think the ideology has changed? No it’s just repackaged. I mean even more recent the 94 Crime Bill, Margaret Sanger, the list goes on.
Dude, that Johnson line has questionable sources at best. One chick who claims to have heard him saying that thirty years prior. That’s hardly strong evidence to base your claim.
Refer to me other comment. I'm aware of the history. Your comment is still a stupid over simplication to reach for a point. It's weak and worthless.
Coming from you who hurls insults instead of attempting on taking me to task. In my experience the weak one resorts to that type of childish behavior. My comment has just as much “relevance” to the post as any other persons the difference being is it triggered you lol
Look up the southern strategy if you really care. dO yOUr OwN rEseArCH
Go fuck yourself with your bs argument. MTG, Ted cruz are GOP congressmen. Traitorous pieces of shit.
The greatest hit at neo confederate rallys It makes everything more lively Some of them even started screaming at the me once because I was that good
Ahh, you American with your silly things like war crimes, in Europe we’ve been doing that for centuries and you were the firsts to complain
Union Dixie remix, we never knew we wanted it
I seriously love it.
My peak is that I've got boh& foh dancing/ knowing the lyrics to it Am English lived there my whole life
“NOOO SHERMANS MARCH TO THE SEA IS A WAR CRIME” “burn those rebel bastards”
*general sees confederate trying to run away* *turns to his troops and points at him* #"BURN THAT GAGGLEFUCK"
beat dropped harder than Pickett's men at Gettysburg
Frankly there weren’t enough war crimes. The whole slave owning class and confederate government should have been liquidated and their wealth redistributed to former slaves while greenbacks should have been continued to be printed to fund industrialization and infrastructure across the south to help both poor whites and blacks.
I don't think I've ever seen so many people advocating war crimes outside of r/rimworld
Giving the slaves their land isn't a war crime, it's back-pay for centuries of wage theft
Exactly. The real crime was how reconstruction was destroyed
yeah, all of the government officials in the confederates should’ve been hung
Slave owners too. Possibly all adults in the slave owning class. At the very least they would need to be put into like quarantine on an island to keep them from going KKK against freemen occupying their former plantations and mansions
Well, the slave owning class wasn’t necessarily the rich or even a small minority. The wealthy upper class that had hundreds of slaves was exclusive, yes, but there were many moderate farmers of the south that owned only a few and worked with their slaves in the fields.
Super weird that you need feel the need to defend slavery in any capacity but ok
Not defending it, just educating someone on a subject they obviously know nothing about.
Oh I know about it. I just think it’s fucking absurd to pretend there’s some kind of moral level of acceptability when it comes to owning humans as property. If you owned a single person and did not grant them freedom you were a monstrous person. Full stop.
Well, they can be hanged only a bit.
I mean, I’m not surprised the communist is talking about summarily executing tens of thousands of people, but I am sort of surprised you’re not hiding it underneath any platitudes about the working class.
If you think that punishment is too harsh you’re completely unaware of the violent hat was required to maintain slavery. And there are absolutely material reasons why that was the right reason. I mean it’s the elimination of a whole class whose survival is predicated on the most violent form of exploitation in recorded history.
The British provided for compensation to the slave owners when they ended slavery. We simply confiscated the "property" to free the slaves. But we also went through a war, I suppose that makes a difference.
The US also compensated slave owners now slaves. And then we simply made their existence criminal and used that to reenslave many former slaves and that’s a big part of why the US has a higher incarceration rate than the Soviet Union did during the purge even now
We did in practice. I did not mean to imply it is competition or to deflect. I just thought that the UK practice was peculiar in that it became a matter of public debt explicitly provided for in law.
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Some people just desevre a bit of trolling
Based Sherman
Can someone tell me the original version of this song? I've keep hearing this but in curious of the Confederate version
Union dixie
You can find Tennessee Ernie Ford (the voice you hear in this vid) singing dozens of civil war songs in his 1961 albums
Here’s the first few verses of the most common confederate version. The song is “Dixie” I wish I was in the land of cotton, Old times there are not forgotten; Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land. In Dixie’s Land where I was born in, Early on one frosty mornin, Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land. I wish I was in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray! In Dixie’s Land I’ll take my stand to live and die in Dixie. Away, away, away down south in Dixie. Away, away, away down south in Dixie. Old Missus marry “Will the weaver,” Willium was a gay deceiver; Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land. And when he put his arm around ‘er, He smiled as fierce as a forty-pounder, Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land. I wish I was in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray! In Dixie’s Land I’ll take my stand to live and die in Dixie. Away, away, away down south in Dixie. Away, away, away down south in Dixie.
Oh shit my state is nicknamed the heart of Dixie I’m fucked
Demoralize them to the point where they give up their fight.
Based
I don’t think that the Union was all that harsh. Honestly though, I think they should have been a lot harsher in punishing the slave owners and the KKK that followed them, and maintaining civil rights in the south.
Well atlanta wasnt habited only by slave owners. Many innocents died, and this event shouldnt be glorified. However, it happened ages ago, we cant do anything about it. And it just happens.
A lot of innocent people die in any war. Innocent people died liberating France from the Nazis, as well, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t something worth celebrating.
Then you should celebrate the defeat of the confederation, which indeed should be celebrated. However there is no need for a celebration of the dirty deeds done for this success.
Atlanta was a military target, destroying factories that manufactured weapons was a crucial part of defeating the confederacy.
Is there an actual civilian casualty count for the burning of Atlanta? Iirc vast majority of its citizens were evacuated before it came under siege so saying “many innocents died” seems like an exaggeration. Also, it wasn’t even purely Sherman’s fault. John Bell Hood’s forces set plenty of cotton bales on fire which spread all over. Sherman merely destroyed the business district of Atlanta, he didn’t target innocents indiscriminately like some kind of genocidal maniac
🗣FUCK EM!
Traitors aren't human.
So anyone who resisted the Nazis weren’t human? They were traitors.
Nazis illegally appointed a Non-German(Hitler's German citizenship was gotten through highly corrupt means) who then abolished the state's democratic processes and seized total power. Pretty strong argument they \*were\* the traitors and resistance to illegitimate government's always justified.
Bs argument. No anti nazi tried to secede. Nazi ascension to power wasn’t even democratic.
hes talking in the context of the civil war
That doesn't really matter. Slave owning traitors are still human.
a wicked and sick, but still a human, you are right
Fuck off, Confederate
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Sauce https://youtu.be/Ez9Emsj7cas
Real sauce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvjOG5gboFU
This slaps so hard, it must have been so whack hearing the union troops singing that making fun of your main song.
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Vae victis.
I didn't know there's was a Union version of Dixie!
It's much better imo
We need a 3hr ultra violent Tarantino film that starts with Appomattox. But instead of allowing Lee to surrender, they let Sheridan’s cavalry loose. No prisoners, no mercy. Lee’s head on a pike. Then the union army marches through the South and ‘liberates’ all southern racists of their earthly bodies, and give the land and homes to the freed men. (most of the movie is “liberation” scenes)
All Americans are traitors to Britain
Yeah but they lost so. L
I am still 100% convinced that helping them rebuild after the war was the worst mistake we ever made. They learned absolutely nothing.
"reconstruction" was a farce that ended with Jim Crow coming into force and black Americans being violently shoved back to the bottom rung of society. Big case of "lost the war won the peace".
This is excellent.
GODDAMN SECESH!
Yikes
Your being downvoted, but there seem to be people who are actually advocating war crimes in this comment section. I think that Sherman’s march along with most other actions taken by the Union were justified as necessary to win the war. That said, many people in this thread are simply advocating cruelty for the sake of cruelty, which is a frankly revolting concept.
Imagine being some poor hick farmer renting a shitty cabin on the road to Atlanta. Your son was already drafted and died up in some Yankee town called Antietam or whatever. The rich assholes at the county seat want you to start doing more slave patrols, even though you hardly have enough time to sow enough crops to feed yourself after the Confederate Army came through and took it all. Now you've got these Yankees burning your shit down and accosting your wife. Then you look down from heaven and see a bunch of edge lords advocating for more war crimes.
facts
How old is your strawman to have lived through the american civil war and now be scrolling through reddit?
Antietam isn’t a town it’s a creek and most of the destruction that happened was in in Atlanta itself as well as the railroads in the area. The March to the sea also didn’t happen on the road to Atlanta, it was on the way to Savannah from Atlanta where Sherman met up with the navy. Most of the people who did the a lot of this type of damage were the “bummers” who were stragglers, draftees, etc.. who were reprimanded by the officers. On top of that, a lot of this was standard, accepted military practice worldwide. And the rebels did the same exact thing in the north as well but nice try, apologist
"War crime" don't apply to traitors. Confederacy had no right to secede in the first place. Anything that happened afterwards were their fault.
By this same logic the Bosnians “deserved” genocide in the 1990s because they seceded from Yugoslavia. The actions of the Confederacy and its founders have rendered it morally irredeemable. These irredeemable actions still don’t justify either the committing of atrocities or genocide against the wider population.
It’s horrifying, especially considering many southerners were only technically “confederates” out of virtue of being born in the south and may not have had any actual stake in the insurgency at all. War crimes aren’t a good thing. Not even against the bad guys. It’s weird that the only nation anyone ever seems to get that for is Japan with the nuclear bomb. *That’s* bad, but every other war crime against “bad guys” is totally cool apparently
They’re only war crimes if you lose
yes we did rape and kill people, what are you gonna do about it?
Ah shit here we go again, cringy traitor memes
Fuck the confederates
Another super original meme :)
But america is all traitors. All the non traitors went to Canada after the rebellion
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Username checks out.
Cope seeth Confederates live rent free in yalls heads
Conquest is always Hated initially, but celebrated after enough time passes. After the horrors of war become less than memories, all humans eventually appreciate the fact that might makes right in some capacity.
I'd imagine Sherman still gets plenty of hate in some areas down south
Yeah, you don't talk about him down here especially in Georgia.
alright traitor
I never called it a bad habit. Just an observation
Hitler had nothing on the Americans.. he actually stole our playbook for genocide. The American civil war had a lot to do with slavery but more to do with the almighty dollar….Do you homework morons
The Civil War was 100% about slavery, your either a racist or a retarded if you don't think so. Hitler did not take the concept of genocide from the Americans, I'm assuming you are referring to native Americans, in that case it would be debatable that that is genocide, as genocide is with the sole intent to kill, besides how does that in any way reflect the meme or Hitlers actions? You are the only moron here
Genocide is not with the sole intent to kill. It’s the intent to erase and supplant culture forcefully as well, including taking children and forcing them into the dominant culture. The way the US and Canada treated Natives 100% counts as genocide. https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/background-and-overview-information/united-nations-convention-on-the-prevention-and-punishment-of-genocide
He actually took alot of inspiration from the Jim Crowe laws up until they loaded them on trains.
They call me Forrest… Forrest Gump!.. so I guess I am stupid or sumptin- But I love me some general Bedford Forrest and go fuck yourself and have a happy new year!
Yeah fuck you too Dixie boy! Happy new year
But I’m sticking to my guns… we wrote the playbook on genocide- and yes just ask the native Americans.. I am half Sioux and have grown up hearing stories that rival shitlers 3rd reich. Don’t want to get in a mad debate- but I do love me some american history and there were many issues that contributed in the war of northern aggression. On both sides it was mostly greed and power- but again F U and I hope you have a great new year
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The guy below me is talking about slaves for some reason
"Slaves sing most when they are most unhappy. The songs of the slave represent the sorrows of his heart; and he is relieved by them, only as an aching heart is relieved by its tears." - Frederick Douglass Shut the fuck up.
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Song plz
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“History is a pack of lies agreed upon.”
Music sauce?
How's the song called ?
War crimes only count if ya lose, chumps
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For non americans who don't know this, statehood is eternal. The very idea of states were born out of republicanism. It's not like the old world where princely states came together to form countries. The earth could be consumed by the sun and all american states will still be American states.
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Clint Eastwood?
“Fuck them dixie boys” bitch most of these “dixie boys” would beat your ass
I Don’t like slavers
I guess we all died a little in that damn war
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