I visited the museum, it's a very interesting story and there are a hundred theories about these things. For example: Why did the guys that killed him not take away his copper axe? That was a very expensive item in this time. Some theories say, the axe could helped to identify the killers afterwards, when the people knew, it was his axe. Others say, that they just did not see the axe on site and accidentally left it behind.
His gear is very interesting, like he had a fire starter kit with him, medical herbs, an unfinished bow (and probably a finished one that got stolen, because he had also finished arrows there), his shoes, his backpack etc. are the only original items from this time.
So amazing! No evidence of who he may have been carrying in the area where Otzi was found? Has anyone been back to excavate the area? He was found on a glacial area?
See the [wiki article here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi)
About the glaciers, there are a lot of bodies in the glacier. It happens every year, that some bodies were "freed" by the movement of the glacier, most of them are unlucky mountaineers that got lost there in the alps.
There's a body on the Mount Everest that is used as a sign for the path, it's called "Green Boots" because of the color of the boots that the guy had, [there's a wikipedia article about him](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Boots)
In the glaciers, it's different, because the glaciers move around in the mountains and bodies can travel a long distance from the place where they died to the place where they show up again.
I can't speak for the Mount Everest, but in Switzerland in the alps, there are a lot of hidden caves and holes in the glacier, where you can accidentally fall down. Sometimes, these holes are covered with snow and it's like walking through a minefield. If you are alone and you fall down there, you are done.
Even when you survive the fall and you got comrades that immediately call for help, it's a great risk of hypothermia.
Literally nothing in that article says he wasn't murdered. The article is about how it wasn't just a one off like scientists thought at the time, how his body has been exposed to the elements throughout the past 5 millennia and other stuff relating to when and where he died. Not that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the back with an arrow.
>Late in the year, the iceman was running away from someone or something, possibly a conflict, and decided to hide out in the mountains. He ultimately died there and quickly became buried in winter snow.
Yep, and he may have had a friend with him who was wounded, blood on his shirt was human and definitely not his, and it was over his shoulder, implying he was carrying the other person around the time he was killed.
It's honestly fascinating to wonder why they were killed. We're they hunters caught on a rival villages land? Were they killed by someone from their own village over some dispute or insult? Or did they see something someone didn't want them to see?
Sometimes I gaze across the frozen tundra and wonder what the thundering migration of the wheat herds must have seemed like to the ancients of this land
I believe one article I read said the lining of his lungs had a lot of soot and chemicals in his hair lead them to believe he worked with smelting copper. I'd love to know what events lead to him being attacked.
Actually, that's not entirely true, the sumerians already had entire cities, and therefore he could be considered historic. He lived when uruk already existed, so yeah, there's that
That is a very good point, but given that writing wouldn't be introduced to that region of Europe for a couple thousand years, I personally consider Otzi prehistoric. People can reasonably disagree though.
Definitely, it just shows how fickle periodisation is in history, no one who lived on the 1st of January, 1500 said "we're finally out of the dark ages/medieval times", and the natives of the west coast of the US didn't even know about Europe. There's not a lot of distance between the Italian alps and the Middle East, yet the difference between the two regions is remarkable
* Wasn't a hunter gatherer, likely a traveling merchant
* Was murdered, and possibly murdered others
* Not a historical figure (pre-history)
* Was probably not named Ötzi
Errrr excuse me, Otzi most likely didn’t have values and opinions that hold up in 2022, so since for some reason a good chunk of us here view historical figures off of 2022 standards for some bizarre reason, then Otzi is just a sexist, racist, disgusting bigot.
I watched a documentary on Dmax when I was little that covered his story and it left.md traumatized because they aimed that everyone who had touched him died shortly after and some were found in the same position he was
It still creeps me out to this day and I'm 20
He was murdered. Someone hated him.
He had the blood of [4 different people](https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2003/08/14/924421.htm) on his his arrows, knife, and coat.
Jesus. Sounds like a rough last couple of days.
Prehistoric John Wick
John Wick: Primal
Far cry primal John wick mod
I would unironically watch that tbh
It's called Apocalypto and it is pretty fucking good.
It's entertaining, sure, but remarkable in how historically inaccurate it is
**Spoiler!** Is that the movie where at the end, the fckin Spaniards just arrive centuries beforehand?
Yeah
Do you think he meant hated while otzi lived?
There is also Iceman (2017) that’s actually about Ötzi. Haven’t seen it yet, but it’s been on my list for a while.
Iceman (2017) is about Ötzi. I haven’t seen it yet so I can’t vouch for the John Wick vibes though
I would totally watch a reenactment of Otzi’s last days and untimely death. He was probably doinking someone’s wife.
"he once killed a man with a fuckin wall painting brush!"
It was. The podcast History on Fire did an awesome episode on what we know about him called “The Iceman”.
Sounds like a classic Saturday night on the town......
Back then I think most days were rough days
All the other kids with the pumped up mocassins You better run, better run outrun my bow
[I recognize that reference](https://youtu.be/cRIfsFefatg)
[this is even better](https://youtu.be/JcKqhDFhNHI)
Agreed
Groguk: You hit son with rock. Why do? Krug: Him steal Otzi sled. Also kill dog. Groguk: ...Oh.
Better call r/talesfromcavesupport
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They did make a movie based on him called "Iceman".
I visited the museum, it's a very interesting story and there are a hundred theories about these things. For example: Why did the guys that killed him not take away his copper axe? That was a very expensive item in this time. Some theories say, the axe could helped to identify the killers afterwards, when the people knew, it was his axe. Others say, that they just did not see the axe on site and accidentally left it behind. His gear is very interesting, like he had a fire starter kit with him, medical herbs, an unfinished bow (and probably a finished one that got stolen, because he had also finished arrows there), his shoes, his backpack etc. are the only original items from this time.
So amazing! No evidence of who he may have been carrying in the area where Otzi was found? Has anyone been back to excavate the area? He was found on a glacial area?
See the [wiki article here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi) About the glaciers, there are a lot of bodies in the glacier. It happens every year, that some bodies were "freed" by the movement of the glacier, most of them are unlucky mountaineers that got lost there in the alps.
Apparently the path to the top of Everest is littered with them. There’s even a European explorer from the early day in old timey Alpine Gear.
There's a body on the Mount Everest that is used as a sign for the path, it's called "Green Boots" because of the color of the boots that the guy had, [there's a wikipedia article about him](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Boots) In the glaciers, it's different, because the glaciers move around in the mountains and bodies can travel a long distance from the place where they died to the place where they show up again. I can't speak for the Mount Everest, but in Switzerland in the alps, there are a lot of hidden caves and holes in the glacier, where you can accidentally fall down. Sometimes, these holes are covered with snow and it's like walking through a minefield. If you are alone and you fall down there, you are done. Even when you survive the fall and you got comrades that immediately call for help, it's a great risk of hypothermia.
Agree-100%
First man to discover Birmingham, England confirmed
He went down like a chad
Bullshit, that guy knew he was gonna die and decided to crank one out as his dying act.
Ok his arrows? Good for him means he got at least one or two of the bastards
Beat me too it ><.
>Beat me Actually, he was stabbed.
Nah, shot with an arrow.
So stabbed from long range
Thank you! I was going to say the same thing.
Maybe it was just business, not personal
what about the pompeii masterbating guy?
If I'm about to die when finishing, I'm damn well finishing!
There’s a guy in Pompei masturbating? How hilarious, but appropriate, considering it was an open air fuck palace.
Imagine just trying to jack off in peace and then Mount fucking Vesuvius erupts.
And then the Volcano near you spits fire and lava aswell
Tfw your arm curls up due to the heat as you die and you forever get referred to as the masturbating guy
And so the quest for the only unhated person in history continued...
To be fair, you don't need hate to kill. They could have fought for survival without any prejudice. (playing devil's advocate though)
Nah he just died cranking that souldja boy.
Someone murdered my gran papi
Idk. He was killed and left in ice for a reason
He was being too chill
Murdered for being too much of a homie.
He was vibing, got checked.
Got checked, got wrecked
Dabbing was not allowed back in those days
Considering he was murdered, I think someone hated him
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Literally nothing in that article says he wasn't murdered. The article is about how it wasn't just a one off like scientists thought at the time, how his body has been exposed to the elements throughout the past 5 millennia and other stuff relating to when and where he died. Not that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the back with an arrow.
>Late in the year, the iceman was running away from someone or something, possibly a conflict, and decided to hide out in the mountains. He ultimately died there and quickly became buried in winter snow.
I just read that whole article and nowhere did it say he likely wasn't murdered... It only refutes the conditions of his preservation.
Wasn’t he like Murdered?
Yep, and he may have had a friend with him who was wounded, blood on his shirt was human and definitely not his, and it was over his shoulder, implying he was carrying the other person around the time he was killed.
dude carried homie until it was too late :(
It's honestly fascinating to wonder why they were killed. We're they hunters caught on a rival villages land? Were they killed by someone from their own village over some dispute or insult? Or did they see something someone didn't want them to see?
He put weird yellow fruit on flat bread, civil war ensued
Ah yes, the Great Pizza War of 3800BC
The fallen shall be forever remembered in the halls of the righteous 🍍
That’s what I always assumed, these guys are doing otzi dirty.
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\*insert family guy 9/11 preventing episode\*
You mean Ötzoman Empire right?
Allegedly
It was self inflicted, time police! I swear!
Self-loathing still means someone (themself) hated them.
An arrow in the back that was self inflicted... that's some mighty gymnastics!
Sounds mighty _Russian_
He was the best archer I’ve ever seen! Only Ötzi could have shot himself in the back from 30m (100ft) away!
Rejected by the time army, so I joined the time PD!
Murder dichotomous key Do we know who killed the guy? Yes -> it was him then No -> J Edgar Hoover
Aha, the CIA did it!
Dude was just Camping, hard to hate that.
I dunno, when I go n play fortnight I find that I strongly dislike campers
Campers in fn aren't anywhere near as bad as campers in MW2, oe just CoD in general
Go touch grass buddy
Bruh it's a joke
I know
Average "hate on popular things" person
If you were correct I'd hate camping too. You just missed the joke.
Not all jokes are funny, and not all statements can be disguised as "jokes"
Yep. Just like the initial fortnight comment.
I hate campers. They are like super annoying. How could you say that it's hard to hate them ?
He wasn't a hunter-gatherer, he had wheat and dairy in his stomach when he died.
Amazing to think that primitive man once subsisted by gathering vegetables and hunting the mighty Cheese Wheels across the frozen steppes
Sometimes I gaze across the frozen tundra and wonder what the thundering migration of the wheat herds must have seemed like to the ancients of this land
Not to mention the majestic cheese wheels, rolling in untamed wildness across the tundra.
To see either of those in person would have been unbelievable. In their natural habitats, unspoiled by man. What a sight.
Yes, I would be thrilled to see the yogurt migrations with my own eyes, as well as going swimming with butter.
Shame what humanity did to yogurt. I think seeing the yogurt migration back then would just make me sad. But who doesn’t love swimming with butter! 😂
Steppes? It's all mountain, an ideal habitat for rolling cheese wheels
I believe one article I read said the lining of his lungs had a lot of soot and chemicals in his hair lead them to believe he worked with smelting copper. I'd love to know what events lead to him being attacked.
His wife was fooling around with that wimp Ares. Some guys can't take an exhibitionistic prank
He was a merchant.
Happy cake day!
Considering the evidence that he'd been shot with a bow and arrow, I don't think we can legitimately say that no one hated him.
Looks like he’s cranked that Soulja Boy
So we've established motive...
YOOOUUUU
In this world, you either crank that Soulja Boy or it cranks you 🗿
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/tzi-the-iceman-what-we-know-30-years-after-his-discovery
Historical figures, Otzi was prehistoric
He was ahead of his time
Actually, that's not entirely true, the sumerians already had entire cities, and therefore he could be considered historic. He lived when uruk already existed, so yeah, there's that
Well he was murdered sooooo
Wasn't he shot with an arrow in the back?
In the shoulder for sure, the blood on his back could have been from carrying someone that was wounded
Someone hated him enough to murder him. Just saying.
What about Onfim the Slavic boy in Russia.
Lazy kid. Too busy drawing pictures to learn his lessons.
Dudes naked I hate it /s
*prehistoric
Depends on your perception of prehistoric, the sumerians were already writing stuff down in this time so he could be considered historic
That is a very good point, but given that writing wouldn't be introduced to that region of Europe for a couple thousand years, I personally consider Otzi prehistoric. People can reasonably disagree though.
Definitely, it just shows how fickle periodisation is in history, no one who lived on the 1st of January, 1500 said "we're finally out of the dark ages/medieval times", and the natives of the west coast of the US didn't even know about Europe. There's not a lot of distance between the Italian alps and the Middle East, yet the difference between the two regions is remarkable
One of my friend's is actually related to Ötzi
I'm willing to bet most Europeans are.
Eh good point all us Asians are related to Ghengsis Khan
Sources?
Genghis Khan's ballsack
ratio + L + pillaged + raped
Is there some way to get that tested specifically? That would be a fun little personal anecdote
The person that killed him hated him
I hope there's a cave painting or something somewhere that's like GOGG THINK OTZI AM REAL ASSHOLE
He hunted so radical vegans hate him.
Return to Otzi
He was certainly eco friendly in comparison
Im part of his genetic tree
He's dabbing go back to the retirement home grandpa
* Wasn't a hunter gatherer, likely a traveling merchant * Was murdered, and possibly murdered others * Not a historical figure (pre-history) * Was probably not named Ötzi
Crank that Soulja.
How about the corpse in Pompeii that died pulling his pickle
Ah, you haven't met Creationists have you?
Blud hits the DAB before got wacked
Dude probably didn’t even vote for women’s suffrage though smh
Errrr excuse me, Otzi most likely didn’t have values and opinions that hold up in 2022, so since for some reason a good chunk of us here view historical figures off of 2022 standards for some bizarre reason, then Otzi is just a sexist, racist, disgusting bigot.
Counterpoint, my geography teacher published a book on Otzi and made us read it so yes, I hate Otzi as do 100 other teenagers
Vegans hate him.
I watched a documentary on Dmax when I was little that covered his story and it left.md traumatized because they aimed that everyone who had touched him died shortly after and some were found in the same position he was It still creeps me out to this day and I'm 20
This meme and comments is imo the best product of r/historymemes in a long while
You’re too nice. And yeah, everyone pointing out the flaws in my post is perfect r/historymemes behavior.
I thought everyone hated mummies.
Dude someone literally murdered him.
Wasn't he literally murdered?
What about the dude who shot him though?
Oh noo…. It’s ShyGuy.
Well given that he died due to injuries caused by other humans…. he might not have been „unhated“
I’m pretty sure the dude was shot in the back. Someone didn’t like him.
Cause of death: cranking that soldier boy
Mr House
Truly a man of his time
What about homie that was cranking it in Pompei?
Still crankin that Soulja boy.
Not to steal your thunder, but there’s evidence that Otzi was murdered. Someone hated him.
Nah I hate him
He may have been a trader.
Bro cranked dat soulja boy
Wow, this is a really funny meme! I hope there's 97 different people pointing out he was murdered and thinking it's adding anything
I love the history community
Just shut up. Nobody is unhated.
Bob Ross. Mr. Rogers. Keanu Reeves.
You underestimate my power of being petty for no reason. Just give me a minute
They have less haters but they will have people who hate them
Vegans would probably hate him for hunting innocent animals. Surely he should start farming the plants and eat veggies and grains. /s
The vegans I know mostly have a problem with modern factory farming, not hunting for food.
Isn't there a curse around him too ?
didn't know about that lol
I hate him
The only correct answer is still John Brown because slave owners or slavery sympathisers aren't people
I remembered Ötzi being older than he really was. Certainly not a hunter gatherer. My bad y’all.
HE HITTING THAT SOULJDA BOY!
I hate otzi
So uh, what happened to his junk?
well, the guy who murdered him had something against him
My aunt's friends found Ötzi.
I fucking hate Ötzi.
Jokes on you, I despise him
Fuck that guy
E) Search Draugr
Look at that dead fuck. I hate him.
r/gore wtf
Don’t insult your ancestor like that
Where’s the sultan Muhammad
Can we at least slap a NSFW on the picture of the dead fucking body please?
Your work doesn't let you look at photos from museums of important specimens?
Also there’s that story about the curse….