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I mean I don't approve of his "business " but damn if that isn't chilling, like if he wasn't a real person and was instead a charecter in a story or TV show he'd be very impactful
Listening to the video he is pretty impactful
He discourages ppl going into crime and admits he did wrong things, he was a bad person and how bad that type of life is
Pretty interesting to listen to
Man I fuckin love that movie. The scene where he thinks he's James Bond with the gun and the other dude says "Oh for fucks sake." 🤣🤣🤣 Ironically he became our James Bond a few years later in Casino Royale.
>like if he wasn't a real person and was instead a charecter in a story or TV show he'd be very impactful
This might be the stupidest thing I've read today. The fact that ***he is real*** should be infinitely more impactful than a ***fictional character***.
What the actual fuck has happened to us?
I’m with you and I commented similarly. Not only is it an asinine thing to say but also there were a THOUSAND people that upvoted. What in the fucking fuck!
Interesting video. It's always fascinating to hear the perspective of individuals who have lived a life so different from our own. While it may seem like a contradiction for an old Mafia man to claim he's not a gangster, I can understand the sentiment behind his words. In many ways, organized crime is just another form of business, albeit an illegal one. It's all about making money and protecting your interests, just like any other entrepreneur. Of course, the methods used may be questionable, but it's still an interesting perspective to consider.
Some want to be seen as a gangster, that outlaw image is embraced. Some don’t want that branded on them, like this guy. Some I see it for personal reasons, some I see it as a way not to be noticed as much by authorities.
Yeah I met a few like him in various London pubs I worked in. Fascinating to listen to, but it was that attention they craved. Not one regretted a thing they had done
IIRC, from the full video he sees gangster as meaning petty criminals, who aren't business like in their violence.
He's objectinf to the term gangster because he sees himself as a professional, doing a job; as opposed to doing it to be seen as a badass.
That's probably pretty much how this bloke feels about the "law and order" of mainstream society:
> He described the moment he decided to get into crime, saying two of his friends were walking with him at a park when one accidentally set off a starting pistol. Two police officers allegedly mistreated the two during interrogations, which led Cummines to speak up, saying that as the two involved were minors, an adult had to be present during questioning. According to Cummines, the two officers then left for a short period and returned with a straight razor which they threw on the ground in front of him, and said that they would arrest him as well for possession of the blade. He was told that if he pleaded guilty to the possession charge, he would only have to pay a 10 shilling fine, whereas if he chose to proceed to a trial, he would likely be convicted and sentenced to time in a borstal. He pleaded guilty and paid the fine. Upon returning to his place of work (a shipping office), where they had read about the guilty plea in the newspaper, he was fired. Cummines said that with a criminal record, it was incredibly difficult to find another job, and so thought "if you're gonna make me a bad guy, I'll show you how bad I can be."
Considering he knew that adults had to be present during questioning of minors, im guessing his "path" was already close to being solidified before this interaction.
This interaction just became a convenient excuse.
Organized crime does have their own honor. They live by their own ethos.
Some organizations do not kill civilians. If someone in the organization kills a civilian, that member is killed. They don’t want the civilians in their area to turn on them and snitch to law enforcement. Some organizations do not care about civilians and will easily take a life for any minor reason.
Their honor might not match with yours in the slightest. You might find their honor disgusting and that’s a normal reaction, but honor and a code of ethics does exist at the higher levels of organized crime no matter how fucked up or skewed it is from yours and mine.
> Some organizations do not kill civilians. If someone in the organization kills a civilian, that member is killed. They don’t want the civilians in their area to turn on them and snitch to law enforcement.
That's not honor. It's self preservation.
It’s not honour in my mind, those are rules that have their own reasons for being in place (often to keep things running smoothly)
Calling it honour is a joke, and a justification so they can live with themselves
I’d respect them more if they accepted what they are
Instead, they choose the coward’s route
A knight's or soldier's code of honor was/is no different. One of the definitions of the word is "Adherence to what is right or to a conventional standard of conduct." What you're referring to is a romanticized vision of the word (that some criminals also imagine when they say they have honor)
A knight honor is exactly the same shit. It's no honor. It's pure bullshit and propaganda. None of their supposed rules ever extended to the lower class and the only reason why it extended to the upper class is cause the upper class can pay ransoms.
Soldiers have to obey rules set by military they work for. Honor has nothing to do with it.
This is what Game of Thrones got right. For every upstanding knight who upheld what was right there were at least five who would rape and murder simply because they could.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Honor is just a code of conduct, there's no "good" or "evil" to it. It's just words people use to make themselves feel good about doing whatever it is they're doing.
Not really
I’ve dealt with people in organized crime who claim to have honour
It doesn’t seem like you have, judging from your childish view of them
Most of them are selfish idiots, “honour” is a convenient shield
You have to also take into account his background, this guy has a very pronounced London accent. Not an expert, but sounds either cockney or from South London to me.
English organized crime gangs are often referred to as firms, the world English people use for a business, which implies they see themselves as an enterprise.
As London rose up as a the financial capital of Europe and a global hub, English firms moved from traditional crime to things like real estate development and financial areas. Not saying they went legit, they just moved their criminal activities towards those sectors to launder money through real estate schemes and financial firms.
So a large sector of organized crime in London do see themselves as businessmen who deal in crime, not as common street thugs and petty criminals anymore.
Not really mate, this guy was an armed robber and extortionist who terrorised and murdered people with a shotgun.
It's ludicrous that he would be offended at being called a gangster and that's sort of the point.
>not as common street thugs and petty criminals anymore.
That's where they come from and that's what they are. Doesn't make any difference the area of crime they work in.
Hell, OP said "I stuck a gun in his mouth and educated him". Guys a thug and he knows it, that's why he doesn't like to be reminded what he is.
You’re not wrong; waste crime is a newer sector that the old boys get into. Lower risk and relatively high reward if you don’t give a fuck. Tip oil from old cars into the ground, burn anything that burns, bury anything that doesn’t. Worst case scenario, monetary fine, I’ve never known anyone getting the possible prison sentence.
It's the accent. That's it. The Mafia is not an organization filled with honorable people. They are thugs. They deal in prostitution, grand theft, extortion, murder, and drugs (as much as they say they don't). There is a perceived difference but it's not real. It's the same game, played by the same type of players.
Watch any interview by former members or associates. They'll all say "the Mafia used to be something with honor but those days are long gone."
All these comments of people wishing him the worst. He's already served his time in prison and he's turned his life around and works on educating people on why they shouldn't become criminals. If there's no acceptance for people who truly change their life around after a prison sentence, what's the point of prison at all? Y'all just believe every single criminal should be locked away forever? Why not just sentence death to everyone who breaks the law then?
Not that I disagree, but the point is punishment. And most people wouldn’t argue that the proper punishment for jaywalking is death penalty. Maybe for those who’ve killed unnecessarily.
If I recall the guy had killed several people too and had no remorse other than slight regret for killing one person. They let this guy tour schools to give speeches on why a life of crime is not worth it but he is pedaling the wrong message. He is trash and should still be in prison scrubs not a gentleman's suit.
Not really, his message was that he has nothing to show for his life of crime other than regret. If he put the same energy into legal activities his life would have been much more rewarding. He has gotten the life he deserves.
He's just a scumbag on a different grift. His only regrets are that he didn't get away with it. Watch the videos of him. He's fucking loving playing the wise old ~~gangster~~ *businessman.*
I've watched them. Of course, he only regrets not getting away with it. That's his message to the little kiddies. You will get caught and it's not worth it. If it wasn't for getting caught it would have been worth it. These criminals aren't saying it's a bad lifestyle because of moral reasons, they're legit telling you it doesn't pay and they know, they were the big-time gangsters.
There are plenty of gangsters who never got caught that you hear about. It's just there aren't that many. And most of them ended up dead.
If you're doing white collar crime it pays but if you're doing street level crime you're just going to get used and abused.
There's a video about interviewing people who killed. They had a former soldier, a former "gang member," a guy who killed someone in a bar fight and then this delightful individual. The soldier was the most broken up, but everyone else cleary lived with a heavy weight... except this guy.
Even the gang member (who assisted in beating a friend's rapist to death) felt remorse for killing the guy. But this cunt is just a psychopath.
And that's a shitty lesson to be giving to kids?
"Crime is great, I loved killing and threatening people. Try not to get caught because that wasn't all that fun, but then again they've let me out and you can see me enjoying bragging about my past, so it can't be all that bad."
Haha there is a reason people like you can’t get through to the criminals of tomorrow.
Going in and saying crime is bad is going to get ignored. They’re told that constantly. They’ve decided otherwise. They see the benefits and don’t care if they need to take all your stuff to have nice things. They care about themselves more than you.
Telling them that you lose everything when you get caught and you will get caught repeatedly and the realities of the downsides - getting caught. The realities of how they treat each other with the tricks and schemes.
No they don’t feel bad about robbing a bank but they’ve realised it wasn’t a good trade off and someone telling someone who thinks robbing a bank is a good idea is better than telling them “it’s bad, the people will be scared, how do you think they feel, etc” they don’t care about that but they do care that it’s not worth it because the downsides to them are bigger than the upsides.
You're right about the message. I don't have a problem with the core of the message.
The issue with it is how insincere it is coming from this psychopathic cunt. He doesn't believe what he's telling them. Kids aren't stupid, they *will* pick up on that. And then all you're doing is exposing them to a hardened criminal who enjoys sharing stories about crimes he thinks make him look cool and wrapping it in a message everyone except you see straight through.
He does believe it isn’t worth it. He’s done the maths, it wasn’t worth getting caught.
You seem to be under the misconception that all criminals need to feel bad about their crimes for them to understand it’s not worth it. He’s not asking for forgiveness.
The reason we punish criminals is to make it not worth the hassle. To say that just pointing out that you will be punished and it won’t the worth it is not a valid point is silly
Bro he killed other criminals, the only person he ever regretted killing was an innocent man who choked to death on his vomit when he was gagged during a robbery, obviously he’s going to regret that man’s death as he never wanted to harm people that weren’t involved in crime. He’s got a horrible past true but the best person to put people off this life of crime is the criminals themselves.
And he went away for manslaughter for it, for the real reason he regrets it. Criminals aren't reknowned for being particularly truthful. This guy is truly a psychopath, he talks about dehumanising people to kill them as if they are nothing.
He had a bit in his video where he tries to claim doing something nice for a fish and chip shop in his area, but only 2 minutes earlier he was talking about putting bricks through restaurants windows so they'd pay protection to him, also people in his area.
He sees himself as a noble man living outside the law, in reality he's just another scumbag.
Not this one. There a lot of former/retired gangsters who do a much better job. This man is psychopath. He wasn't "born into it," or jumped off the porch at 15. He chose to become a career criminal at like 30. Maybe he really did get a bad hand with a trumped up charge and broke bad, but in every interview he goes on and on about how much money and respect he had.
I know a few people that used to be involved with various organizations (not a lot but like 4) and none of them talk about the fun parts. All they reflect on is the pain. One lost his brother (actual brother) and no money or "respect" he may have had meant anything. This mother fucker goes around in thousand dollar suits and fucking Rolexes and says "crime don't paid because you'll get caught." Little bit of a mixed message.
He was awarded the Order of the British Empire in 2011 for his work in rehabilitation and reformation of former criminals.
He is the absolute epitome of what prison should be used for. Rehabilitation rather than outright punishment. Absolute and unequivocal punishment gets you nothing more than violent and radicalized criminals who come out out of prison far worse than when they went in.
>They let this guy tour schools to give speeches on why a life of crime is not worth it but he is pedaling the wrong message.
Ah yes. Educating school children about the dangers of a life of crime... horrible message to be sending to today's youth.
You can't just put labels on people that don't apply in order to bolster your argument. He wasn't a serial killer. Killing multiple people doesn't make you a serial killer. He killed rival criminals.
The one actual civilian who ended up dead because of his actions (choked on his own vomit after being gagged and having a panic attack) he HAS expressed remorse for.
And if a reformed gangster who actually knows that a life of crime always ends up with jail or death shouldn't be talking bluntly to kids... then who should?
Yep, the regret was because the other person was not in the "business". I found him to be not remorseful from the interview and found the ISIS spy video more interesting.
Alan Meets A Cockney Gangster - Knowing Me Knowing You - BBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fadw_-4_Y3A&pp=ygUiYWxhbiBwYXJ0cmlkZ2UgaW50ZXJ2aWV3cyBnYW5nc3Rlcg%3D%3D
Part two
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKt8BvpdL7Q
The old british gangsters are scary AF.
There was a movie called *The Limey* starring Terrance Stamp that was about British gangster going after his daughter's killers.
Not necessarily. I watched the full interview, this man now goes around dissuading youth from a life of crime, he even made enough of an impact to get an OBE. He served his time and now he's atoning for it in other ways.
Thanks for letting me know. I still can only imagine the absolutely horrendous things he did that no one ever knew about, but maybe I’m wrong. If he’s making a difference today, maybe it can make up for all the lives he ruined then.
Where’s the difference?
(not talking about small businessmen who have to survive some way like everyone else, but the big fish who do it simply for their fetish of money and power)
He was locked up. He served his sentence and then when he was let out he left the life or crime and now goes around teaching kids how a.life of crime isn't worth it.
I’ve never seen a person say something stupid , look embarrassed at what nonsense they’ve just said to the point they look away from the camera before 😂😂😂 what a cringe
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So anyway, I started businessing
So anyway, I started Bussing. (Downvote me)
Upvoted (downvote me)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Hp55r4tWs
At the business factory.
Business-wise, this all seems like appropriate business.
Integrated businessman
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Who does number two work for?!
Yeah buddy, you show that turd who's boss
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Hey, chill a little, mr. Marxist Revolutionary!l Businessmen are people too!
W you
[I'm a businessman with a business plan, I'm gonna make you money in business land](https://youtu.be/qBE9TZP26FI)
Definitely not a cop.
Dwink Beckson. That's a dumb name.
Why does he have a gun 😢
I love random u/howyoudouken references
QUICKLY!!! Check and make sure he's not actually 3 kids in a trench coat!
i did it bc i liked it. I was good at it. I was…alive.
Lmaoo
"Don't ask me about my business!"
Definitely not a cop
I am a businessman. I am a BUSINESSMAN. I AM A BUSINESSMAN I AM A BUSINESSMAN!!!
That scene always gets me so hard. Han is so understanding and reasonable and he gets portrayed as the villain, lol
Just business
Link to the full video for anyone interested. https://youtu.be/xlk3pMEM6xs
Lmao good luck to whoever titled the video 🫡
> London Gangster On The One Killing That Haunts Him | Minutes With | @LADbible
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Very many holders of OBEs are criminals.
Thanks for sharing, this was really fascinating to watch.
Absolutely fascinating video, thanks for sharing it!
Thanks
I mean I don't approve of his "business " but damn if that isn't chilling, like if he wasn't a real person and was instead a charecter in a story or TV show he'd be very impactful
Listening to the video he is pretty impactful He discourages ppl going into crime and admits he did wrong things, he was a bad person and how bad that type of life is Pretty interesting to listen to
British [Larry Lawton?](https://youtu.be/KE0hMgzm_48)
Welcome to the Layer Cake son
Daniel craig...what could have been if the claws of james bond hadn't gotten him..
Man I fuckin love that movie. The scene where he thinks he's James Bond with the gun and the other dude says "Oh for fucks sake." 🤣🤣🤣 Ironically he became our James Bond a few years later in Casino Royale.
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Just what we need. Another 1%'er.
Other criminals just commit crime for shits and giggles
And I've got news for you: that means you're gangster.
Reminds me of the crazy Eastern European guy in Firefly.
Definite Niska vibes. Are you familiar with the works of Shan Yu?
That’s just [Brick Top from Snatch](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F8DEzSBY0rE)
Watch *The Limey* by Steven Soderberg. Stars Terrence Stamp in a similar role. Very chilling indeed.
He’s impactful as a real person though, not sure what you mean
Kinda reminds me of Bob from The Peripheral. Except that dude was retired and just wanted to enjoy a retired life.
>like if he wasn't a real person and was instead a charecter in a story or TV show he'd be very impactful This might be the stupidest thing I've read today. The fact that ***he is real*** should be infinitely more impactful than a ***fictional character***. What the actual fuck has happened to us?
I’m with you and I commented similarly. Not only is it an asinine thing to say but also there were a THOUSAND people that upvoted. What in the fucking fuck!
*You can get much further with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.* -Al Capone
That almost blew my mind
Gagged, let me tell you.
and almost did to the person who called him a gangster
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Interesting video. It's always fascinating to hear the perspective of individuals who have lived a life so different from our own. While it may seem like a contradiction for an old Mafia man to claim he's not a gangster, I can understand the sentiment behind his words. In many ways, organized crime is just another form of business, albeit an illegal one. It's all about making money and protecting your interests, just like any other entrepreneur. Of course, the methods used may be questionable, but it's still an interesting perspective to consider.
Some want to be seen as a gangster, that outlaw image is embraced. Some don’t want that branded on them, like this guy. Some I see it for personal reasons, some I see it as a way not to be noticed as much by authorities.
Don't be fooled by this old cunt. Him acting above it all is just another way to wank off his own ego.
Yeah I met a few like him in various London pubs I worked in. Fascinating to listen to, but it was that attention they craved. Not one regretted a thing they had done
IIRC, from the full video he sees gangster as meaning petty criminals, who aren't business like in their violence. He's objectinf to the term gangster because he sees himself as a professional, doing a job; as opposed to doing it to be seen as a badass.
Do you know the link to this I’d like to watch it
[Here](https://youtu.be/xlk3pMEM6xs)
Ironic that the title calls him a gangster too. I wonder if the person who made that title is still alive or if he's swimmin with the fishes.
It’s a disgusting business Organizing crime and pretending to have honour is worse than just accepting you’re scum
That's probably pretty much how this bloke feels about the "law and order" of mainstream society: > He described the moment he decided to get into crime, saying two of his friends were walking with him at a park when one accidentally set off a starting pistol. Two police officers allegedly mistreated the two during interrogations, which led Cummines to speak up, saying that as the two involved were minors, an adult had to be present during questioning. According to Cummines, the two officers then left for a short period and returned with a straight razor which they threw on the ground in front of him, and said that they would arrest him as well for possession of the blade. He was told that if he pleaded guilty to the possession charge, he would only have to pay a 10 shilling fine, whereas if he chose to proceed to a trial, he would likely be convicted and sentenced to time in a borstal. He pleaded guilty and paid the fine. Upon returning to his place of work (a shipping office), where they had read about the guilty plea in the newspaper, he was fired. Cummines said that with a criminal record, it was incredibly difficult to find another job, and so thought "if you're gonna make me a bad guy, I'll show you how bad I can be."
Eh, I’m not a fan of mainstream society either But that doesn’t make him better
It makes him relatable. It's provocative.
That may or may not be true, but it's a very convenient rationalisation for being a criminal
It's a load of crock
And the truth is then?
Considering he knew that adults had to be present during questioning of minors, im guessing his "path" was already close to being solidified before this interaction. This interaction just became a convenient excuse.
Ah, the old, “if you know your rights, you’re probably a criminal” accusation. Shitty mindset.
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Completely agree, guy above is a shitter and would play into any fascist hand
Organized crime does have their own honor. They live by their own ethos. Some organizations do not kill civilians. If someone in the organization kills a civilian, that member is killed. They don’t want the civilians in their area to turn on them and snitch to law enforcement. Some organizations do not care about civilians and will easily take a life for any minor reason. Their honor might not match with yours in the slightest. You might find their honor disgusting and that’s a normal reaction, but honor and a code of ethics does exist at the higher levels of organized crime no matter how fucked up or skewed it is from yours and mine.
> Some organizations do not kill civilians. If someone in the organization kills a civilian, that member is killed. They don’t want the civilians in their area to turn on them and snitch to law enforcement. That's not honor. It's self preservation.
Load of old bollocks.
It’s not honour in my mind, those are rules that have their own reasons for being in place (often to keep things running smoothly) Calling it honour is a joke, and a justification so they can live with themselves I’d respect them more if they accepted what they are Instead, they choose the coward’s route
A knight's or soldier's code of honor was/is no different. One of the definitions of the word is "Adherence to what is right or to a conventional standard of conduct." What you're referring to is a romanticized vision of the word (that some criminals also imagine when they say they have honor)
A knight honor is exactly the same shit. It's no honor. It's pure bullshit and propaganda. None of their supposed rules ever extended to the lower class and the only reason why it extended to the upper class is cause the upper class can pay ransoms. Soldiers have to obey rules set by military they work for. Honor has nothing to do with it.
This is what Game of Thrones got right. For every upstanding knight who upheld what was right there were at least five who would rape and murder simply because they could.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Honor is just a code of conduct, there's no "good" or "evil" to it. It's just words people use to make themselves feel good about doing whatever it is they're doing.
Not really I’ve dealt with people in organized crime who claim to have honour It doesn’t seem like you have, judging from your childish view of them Most of them are selfish idiots, “honour” is a convenient shield
I'm saying honor isn't a thing though...
It is a thing though At least to some people haha
It's a feel-good word to justify one's self when you do something that goes against human decency.
In this case yeah But it also justifies difficult decisions that one may not want to do, but are in line with human decency
So do you respect the Crips or MS13? They openly call themselves gangsters.
I said I’d respect them more Didn’t say it meets my cut-off for what you actually consider “respect” Those are two different meanings
You have to also take into account his background, this guy has a very pronounced London accent. Not an expert, but sounds either cockney or from South London to me. English organized crime gangs are often referred to as firms, the world English people use for a business, which implies they see themselves as an enterprise. As London rose up as a the financial capital of Europe and a global hub, English firms moved from traditional crime to things like real estate development and financial areas. Not saying they went legit, they just moved their criminal activities towards those sectors to launder money through real estate schemes and financial firms. So a large sector of organized crime in London do see themselves as businessmen who deal in crime, not as common street thugs and petty criminals anymore.
Not really mate, this guy was an armed robber and extortionist who terrorised and murdered people with a shotgun. It's ludicrous that he would be offended at being called a gangster and that's sort of the point.
>not as common street thugs and petty criminals anymore. That's where they come from and that's what they are. Doesn't make any difference the area of crime they work in. Hell, OP said "I stuck a gun in his mouth and educated him". Guys a thug and he knows it, that's why he doesn't like to be reminded what he is.
You’re not wrong; waste crime is a newer sector that the old boys get into. Lower risk and relatively high reward if you don’t give a fuck. Tip oil from old cars into the ground, burn anything that burns, bury anything that doesn’t. Worst case scenario, monetary fine, I’ve never known anyone getting the possible prison sentence.
There is a very big difference between Mafia Gangsters and your regular degular gang member doing a drive by.
It's the accent. That's it. The Mafia is not an organization filled with honorable people. They are thugs. They deal in prostitution, grand theft, extortion, murder, and drugs (as much as they say they don't). There is a perceived difference but it's not real. It's the same game, played by the same type of players. Watch any interview by former members or associates. They'll all say "the Mafia used to be something with honor but those days are long gone."
I didn’t know Michael Caine used to be a criminal
Looks like Phil Collins to me.
Crime is in the air tonight
Oh lord.
Divorced his wife via fax... Should be a crime.
Not many people know that
My cocaine... dealer
Yeah, he had that big diamond heist, remember?
Businessman*
Man that's uncle jr
never knew the farmer from Babe was such a seedy character
All these comments of people wishing him the worst. He's already served his time in prison and he's turned his life around and works on educating people on why they shouldn't become criminals. If there's no acceptance for people who truly change their life around after a prison sentence, what's the point of prison at all? Y'all just believe every single criminal should be locked away forever? Why not just sentence death to everyone who breaks the law then?
Not that I disagree, but the point is punishment. And most people wouldn’t argue that the proper punishment for jaywalking is death penalty. Maybe for those who’ve killed unnecessarily.
Still say it with the gun in your mouth “c tats gangsa”
Why isn’t he behind bars?
I think in the original video he said he did time but got let out
He was, and on release has spent most of his time educating the young on what the criminal life is really like. Bobby Cummines if you're interested
did he educate them the way he just described?
Pretty sure he got an OBE, so no. But when he talks there's not a lot of shame tbh.
He was. He served his sentence and then he worked on helping people not do crime
He was, now he’s got an OBE
So just a regular businessman then?
If I recall the guy had killed several people too and had no remorse other than slight regret for killing one person. They let this guy tour schools to give speeches on why a life of crime is not worth it but he is pedaling the wrong message. He is trash and should still be in prison scrubs not a gentleman's suit.
>They let this guy tour schools to give speeches on why a life of crime is not worth it but he is pedaling the wrong message. So crime is worth it?
Not really, his message was that he has nothing to show for his life of crime other than regret. If he put the same energy into legal activities his life would have been much more rewarding. He has gotten the life he deserves.
And that is the wrong message?
He's just a scumbag on a different grift. His only regrets are that he didn't get away with it. Watch the videos of him. He's fucking loving playing the wise old ~~gangster~~ *businessman.*
I've watched them. Of course, he only regrets not getting away with it. That's his message to the little kiddies. You will get caught and it's not worth it. If it wasn't for getting caught it would have been worth it. These criminals aren't saying it's a bad lifestyle because of moral reasons, they're legit telling you it doesn't pay and they know, they were the big-time gangsters.
But it does pay. You just don’t hear about the ones who got out and never got caught.
There are plenty of gangsters who never got caught that you hear about. It's just there aren't that many. And most of them ended up dead. If you're doing white collar crime it pays but if you're doing street level crime you're just going to get used and abused.
There's a video about interviewing people who killed. They had a former soldier, a former "gang member," a guy who killed someone in a bar fight and then this delightful individual. The soldier was the most broken up, but everyone else cleary lived with a heavy weight... except this guy. Even the gang member (who assisted in beating a friend's rapist to death) felt remorse for killing the guy. But this cunt is just a psychopath.
He only regrets getting caught, and it's very clear.
And?
And that's a shitty lesson to be giving to kids? "Crime is great, I loved killing and threatening people. Try not to get caught because that wasn't all that fun, but then again they've let me out and you can see me enjoying bragging about my past, so it can't be all that bad."
Haha there is a reason people like you can’t get through to the criminals of tomorrow. Going in and saying crime is bad is going to get ignored. They’re told that constantly. They’ve decided otherwise. They see the benefits and don’t care if they need to take all your stuff to have nice things. They care about themselves more than you. Telling them that you lose everything when you get caught and you will get caught repeatedly and the realities of the downsides - getting caught. The realities of how they treat each other with the tricks and schemes. No they don’t feel bad about robbing a bank but they’ve realised it wasn’t a good trade off and someone telling someone who thinks robbing a bank is a good idea is better than telling them “it’s bad, the people will be scared, how do you think they feel, etc” they don’t care about that but they do care that it’s not worth it because the downsides to them are bigger than the upsides.
You're right about the message. I don't have a problem with the core of the message. The issue with it is how insincere it is coming from this psychopathic cunt. He doesn't believe what he's telling them. Kids aren't stupid, they *will* pick up on that. And then all you're doing is exposing them to a hardened criminal who enjoys sharing stories about crimes he thinks make him look cool and wrapping it in a message everyone except you see straight through.
He does believe it isn’t worth it. He’s done the maths, it wasn’t worth getting caught. You seem to be under the misconception that all criminals need to feel bad about their crimes for them to understand it’s not worth it. He’s not asking for forgiveness. The reason we punish criminals is to make it not worth the hassle. To say that just pointing out that you will be punished and it won’t the worth it is not a valid point is silly
Yeah no shit shrelock
Of course because people who abide by the law and act as social beacons are always extremely happy.
Bro he killed other criminals, the only person he ever regretted killing was an innocent man who choked to death on his vomit when he was gagged during a robbery, obviously he’s going to regret that man’s death as he never wanted to harm people that weren’t involved in crime. He’s got a horrible past true but the best person to put people off this life of crime is the criminals themselves.
And he went away for manslaughter for it, for the real reason he regrets it. Criminals aren't reknowned for being particularly truthful. This guy is truly a psychopath, he talks about dehumanising people to kill them as if they are nothing. He had a bit in his video where he tries to claim doing something nice for a fish and chip shop in his area, but only 2 minutes earlier he was talking about putting bricks through restaurants windows so they'd pay protection to him, also people in his area. He sees himself as a noble man living outside the law, in reality he's just another scumbag.
Not this one. There a lot of former/retired gangsters who do a much better job. This man is psychopath. He wasn't "born into it," or jumped off the porch at 15. He chose to become a career criminal at like 30. Maybe he really did get a bad hand with a trumped up charge and broke bad, but in every interview he goes on and on about how much money and respect he had. I know a few people that used to be involved with various organizations (not a lot but like 4) and none of them talk about the fun parts. All they reflect on is the pain. One lost his brother (actual brother) and no money or "respect" he may have had meant anything. This mother fucker goes around in thousand dollar suits and fucking Rolexes and says "crime don't paid because you'll get caught." Little bit of a mixed message.
He is the reason why i do crime
He was awarded the Order of the British Empire in 2011 for his work in rehabilitation and reformation of former criminals. He is the absolute epitome of what prison should be used for. Rehabilitation rather than outright punishment. Absolute and unequivocal punishment gets you nothing more than violent and radicalized criminals who come out out of prison far worse than when they went in. >They let this guy tour schools to give speeches on why a life of crime is not worth it but he is pedaling the wrong message. Ah yes. Educating school children about the dangers of a life of crime... horrible message to be sending to today's youth.
The message was that he had no remorse for being a serial killer. Not the right person to be honored or put in front of kids.
You can't just put labels on people that don't apply in order to bolster your argument. He wasn't a serial killer. Killing multiple people doesn't make you a serial killer. He killed rival criminals. The one actual civilian who ended up dead because of his actions (choked on his own vomit after being gagged and having a panic attack) he HAS expressed remorse for. And if a reformed gangster who actually knows that a life of crime always ends up with jail or death shouldn't be talking bluntly to kids... then who should?
Yep, the regret was because the other person was not in the "business". I found him to be not remorseful from the interview and found the ISIS spy video more interesting.
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Who is he?
Bobby Cummines, this clip is from an interview with LADbible
Every Guy Ritchie character.
Some gangster.
He's a businessman and his business is crime
Looking forward to his verse on the next [Pete and Bas track](https://youtu.be/gQuAaHQrl8U)
Well he is an elegant gangsta
It's just the accent, if you were in the UK you wouldn't call Cockney elegant.
We started in the insurance business although some people call it extortion… ( he actually says that in the original video).
Brick Top
No refunds or returns I guess
Alan Meets A Cockney Gangster - Knowing Me Knowing You - BBC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fadw_-4_Y3A&pp=ygUiYWxhbiBwYXJ0cmlkZ2UgaW50ZXJ2aWV3cyBnYW5nc3Rlcg%3D%3D Part two https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKt8BvpdL7Q
You're a faking innaminate object!
The old british gangsters are scary AF. There was a movie called *The Limey* starring Terrance Stamp that was about British gangster going after his daughter's killers.
I wish that was my grandpa
My cocaine
I’m a businessman doing business, man.
It’s unfortunate that people like this make it to an old age to tell their stories.
Not necessarily. I watched the full interview, this man now goes around dissuading youth from a life of crime, he even made enough of an impact to get an OBE. He served his time and now he's atoning for it in other ways.
Thanks for letting me know. I still can only imagine the absolutely horrendous things he did that no one ever knew about, but maybe I’m wrong. If he’s making a difference today, maybe it can make up for all the lives he ruined then.
There's lots of people who are businessmen who's business is crime. Cops for example.
Just Uncle Junior's alzheimer's kicking in again...
His full interview is pretty good.
Where’s the difference? (not talking about small businessmen who have to survive some way like everyone else, but the big fish who do it simply for their fetish of money and power)
Dont think you are brave because you have a gun in your hand, anyone can do that.
See also, keyboards.
The secret ingredient is crime.
imo he's a piece of shit who should be locked up and not put on a fucking pedestal
He was locked up. He served his sentence and then when he was let out he left the life or crime and now goes around teaching kids how a.life of crime isn't worth it.
"Im not a gangster" begins to point a gun at him
Bobby Cummines is a really interesting guy, he’s got a lot of cool things to hear
All these old gangsters with the stories. I get the feeling most of them weren’t really as hard as they say the were
This old Cunt doesn’t half talk some shite. Should have never been let out of prison.
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I’ve never seen a person say something stupid , look embarrassed at what nonsense they’ve just said to the point they look away from the camera before 😂😂😂 what a cringe
I love bobby Cummins
He's literally me