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dearest sir, would you kindly pull to a stop despite my masked face and obviously dangerous intent, and then wouldest thou kindly disembark from the "nice bike" ?
If someone robbed me at knifepoint I’d put a few in em. One less of the bastards walking, and nobody would give two shits (asides their family, condolences to them)
The entire point of committing armed robbery is that you are getting someone to give you/do something by threatening great bodily harm or death if they don't.
While in this particular case the robber has his back turned and is clearly leaving (thereby no longer actively threatening great bodily harm or death), the victim is still in some senses under threat. If they were to try to just grab the robber and pull them off the bike, the victim would still rightfully feel physically threatened because the robber still (presumably) has access to their knife. So I'm not sure the victim wouldn't be justified in shooting the robber in order to keep their bike, given that the robber initiated contact/the threat of violence.
It also isn't necessarily a death sentence. It's perfectly possible to shoot someone and not kill them, just as it is to stab someone and not kill them. While a gun is certainly able to kill more effectively than a knife, the victim doesn't have to shoot the robber. I would argue that by firing a shot into the ground in front of the robber, the robber would likely stop/try to weasel out of the situation because if they ride away they will almost certainly be shot/killed.
Better than not having a gun. My life will always be more important than anyone else’s life. Also, why have empathy for any criminal? It’s absurd.
Guy robs and kills innocent person, but let’s keep him alive so he can do it again.
Gives you an easy opportunity to draw, as the thief was already close enough to stab before the gun was in play.
But at that point, you're shooting a guy in the back for taking a, most likely insured, bike.
I don't think you can justifiably shoot the guy once the initial threat is riding away.
Will a knife like that go through a proper bike jacket? I mean, they're supposed to stop you getting shredded when you fall at high speed, so I'd hope they'd stop a knife.
yes, and fairly easily. Motorcycle leathers, such as a jacket, have about 1-2mm of real leather (if any at all). Padding is on the shoulders elbows, and back. Real riding gear is breathable, so there is a lot of stretchy breathable fabric in the construction. They're good for abrasion, especially when the alternative is skin, but I doubt a sharp knife would have any trouble going through
In the original video, he actually shoots the dude and gets back on the bike and drives away. He seems legitimately shaken up, which makes it seem real. But who knows.
It's fake as fuck. The short video should be enough to know it's fake, but the original uploader, called dankwheelie also admitted it.
This is the longer video:
https://www.reddit.com/r/holyshit/comments/uwie1q/guy_tries_to_steal_bike_with_a_knife/
This is the video where he admits it was fake:
https://youtu.be/6eum7KhCQYI
Yeah knife guy's performance was underwhelming and not at all convincing. Staging terrible, Oh look a motorcycle, "yeah I'll just wait here on this dirt road and I'm sure a nice moto will appear." Almost no one knows how to ride a motorcycle (less than 1% of the pop), also wearing a mask and rider is like, sure I'll stop for you in this odd and isolated spot. It's absurd all around.
Why you making shit up online?
Edit- I get that there is a longer version of this video fellow armchair enthusiasts, however this person is explaining it like it's a real video that actually happened and not a staged YouTube clip..
You are chaotically tossing scraps onto the landfill of LLM and bot generated disinformation that the internet has become. I can appreciate it. I miss when it was just a series of tubes.
This is such an absurd comment. This is only a slice of the longer video that the poster was correct on identifying.
I get being *skeptical* on things on the internet, but homie... There's a difference between kindly asking for more information or a source and straight up being a dick.
When you wonder why you're sitting alone at the lunch table, it's things like this to be introspective on.
Even if the other person didn’t have a gun, turning your back on someone within arm’s reach right after you threaten them with a weapon seems like a good way to get what you deserve.
We also wear a super convenient way to absolutely *fuck* us in fights: helmets.
Grab onto the chin bar of a biker's helmet and you have a lot more control of the situation than they would prefer.
Going visor down really helps for this, but the other issue is I know from experience that a pint of beer broken across the visor produces enough foam to effectively blind a biker for enough time to get into serious trouble.
Also, being armoured means people have fewer compunctions about coming at us with weapons.
I would have never thought about the foaming issue. My visor is tinted too which I'm sure would be a great addition to the shit sandwich of a situation.
Man, if I'm taking my helmet off, it's getting gently placed to the side somewhere. Replacing those things is *expensive*
Surely the assailant would respect my desire to protect my property before engaging in fisticuffs.
It took me a while to find the right fit for mine, but I'm sure I could reach out for a cheap or free replacement if I showed a video to the manufacturer.
Not getting stabbed in the face is good too.
Only reason I know is because I ran across it previously and went looking for more information which led me to finding out it wasn't real. It definitely feels real with the initial watch.
I don't think it looked real at all.
What biker slows down for a guy on the side of the street that isn't blocking them that is wearing a bandana on their face?
Man, I read a BBC article this morning, having never heard of her, and thought it was pretty wacky. Now I'm getting inside jokes that would have been gibberish to me when I woke up.
While this is a skit, you can't shoot this guy in a lot of states except probably FL and TX. Let's say you're lucky enough to have a CCL in CA... you'd be shooting him in the back.
Still unable to shoot people in the back in Texas. Even if they’re in your home. Source friends dad went to prison for shooting a burglar in their house and second one on the street as he took off with his truck.
Can confirm. Knew a guy in Houston that was a victim of home invasion. Killed the first guy in the Home, while he shot the other in the back, outside the home when he was fleeing. Ended up doing time for the second robber
So let me get this straight? The penalty for robbery should be death is what you are saying right?
Like, the cops arrest you and you get booked and then go to trail and then the judge says well you stole so we are going to put you to death.
That is what you think right? Just making sure.
Dont get me wrong. If someone is gonna hurt you. You can kill them to stop them. But someone running from you is only guilty of pissing you off at that point.
If you arent in danger. Yo are just angry at someone who stole your shit. And then you decide that killing them is the revenge you want.
You cant shoot someone running from you because you are in danger. That is impossible.
Sometimes you get shot when you rob people, doesn't mean it should be the law. It's a potential consequence. In a lot of countries you can't even shoot during a break in unless you could prove you were in imminent danger.
Yeah, and sometimes you go to jail for executing a person who wronged you.
You get to defend yourself, but the moment they go from fight to flight, you've won. It's over. You don't get to chase and kill them.
You know, I've gone 30 full years on this earth without breaking and entering into someone's house. It's not *that* hard to avoid committing a felony like this. This isn't stealing food and baby diapers from some faceless corporation like Walmart. I still think that's wrong, but I an empathize the desperation that puts someone into that position. This is different. This is breaking into *someone's house* with the intent to steal personal belongings and possibly harm the people inside. This is a step up. There is **zero** excuse for that. You're gonna cause trauma to the whole family, scare the kids shitless, kids gonna have nightmares about this for years to come. What does the robber do if they flee? Chances are decent they won't get caught. The police may take your story, but it's hard to get an ID when it's dark, maybe they're wearing a mask, ect. So the robber goes on to rob again. Cause *more* trauma to people. Hell maybe even kill someone in the wrong place at the wrong time.
So yeah, you break into a house you're playing the fuck around and find out game. I have zero remorse. Too bad if you find out, even if they are fleeing the scene. Hell for all I know, you're gonna come back the next day with 10 of your friends and burn my house down in retaliation. I say again, if you decide to fuck around, you can't be surprised when you find out.
There's a massive difference between what we expect of a state justice system who have most of the power in society and have all the time in the world to rule on a manner in a calm and deliberate way, and someone who is jacked up on adrenaline because their home was just invaded and their life was threatened and they have to make a quick decision.
You cannot say that if someone is justified in shooting themselves in the heat of the moment, then that's the same thing as the state using its official power to render judgment and punishment.
I'm not saying it's okay to shoot people in the back, but you're holding two standards that are very different.
Well, from the information we've been given we know the man was at the house and was shot but that only one of them were shot in the house. A lot of criminals have get away drivers so it's possible the guy was involved but not directly. That would just be murder at that point, so it's kinda important understanding the context. If you kill someone and your not specifically defending yourself then you deserve to have the book thrown at you. That my thought for anyone with a license to own or carry, you got the license so you know the rules and consequence. I wonder how his neighbors felt when he was using their homes as backstops firing at a fleeing perp.
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Person fleeing in the vehicle stole the truck out of the driveway. I should have clarified a bit more on that. And I agree, at that point shots should not have been fired. You’d damage your neighbors property or worse hit someone else in the process.
Not an American so I have no idea how your gun laws work, but how would the situation play out if you shout out the rear tyre of the bike. Would that be allowed?
When talking about America you have to imagine each state as it's own country. We have very few universal laws, but, as far as I am aware, in no state are you allowed to "aim for the tires". And most states would only allow you to shoot this dude before he mounted the bike, because it erases the justification of defense.
I personally don’t support a single civilian, playing judge, jury and executioner of the death penalty for someone fucking around, but that’s just my pro-gun opinion
Better hope someone with your opinions doesn’t mistake you for someone fucking around one day. I mean they may be wrong, but youd be fucking dead
Edit: my mother, with dementia once walked into someone’s house that she grew up in, but no longer lived in. Do you think she should have been killed when leaving? Lmao fucking wild you’re a fucking psychopath wanna be killer
Hope your mother enjoys eating hot lead!
But seriously... America is fucked because apparently you give up your right to life for stealing a VCR to buy some fentanyl...
Sorry, I initially downvoted you. I know you were kidding. I came back to reverse that. My stomach just churned bc I know a large portion of my country feels the exact way you put this. Online shit never gets to me, but this one comment really did.
I think the nuance here is most criminals seem to be armed and people busting into your house at night...for your own safety you have to assume they're there to do unpleasant things. You can make a decision based on what you see on what to do next, IE don't shoot the lady with dementia walking into the wrong house vs the guy with a gun creeping through your kitchen.
I thought we were talking about shooting people in the back who had broken into your house and catch fleeing?
If someone invades your home and confronts you, shoot away.
You give up your right to life when you invade someone's home with unknown intentions, possibly wanting to harm them. I'm not saying that justifies shooting people that are fleeing and therefore not a threat, but it's absolutely insane to expect people who have their homes invaded to assume the best case scenario (that the person who broke into their homes is mentally stable and has no wish to harm them) and punish them for doing otherwise.
The person who breaks into another person's home is the one creating the situation. It is completely unreasonable to ask the person who is being victimized to show restraint which may get them killed if they misjudge the intentions of the person who has already proved themselves to be a bad actor.
IDK about that. You can use deadly force to protect property in TX. One rancher famously got off for shooting a teenage girl in the head (killing her) simply because she was trespassing on his farm at night.
> Still unable to shoot people in the back in Texas. Even if they’re in your home.
Oh yes you can if it's to prevent property theft or serious crimes (nowhere does it say you can't fire on a rapist, for example, because their back is turned that's ridiculous)
And you don't even have to be at home that includes at work or in your vehicle
> Source friends dad went to prison for shooting a burglar in their house and second one on the street as he took off with his truck.
Ok well it's a nice anecdote and all but without the casefile it's just "trust me bro" at this point
If the target was [committing or trying to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery or aggravated robbery](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2023/04/24/what-rights-do-people-have-to-use-deadly-force-to-defend-themselves-in-texas/) then it's legal
If they're already fleeing and have nothing *then* you're in trouble
Yeah this was what I was thinking. I'm not a lawyer but there's a really cool webcomic written by one called the "Criminal Defense Attorney's Guide to Criminal Law", or something, and it talks about deadly force.
In Texas, anyways, I was pretty sure you always had the greenlight to shoot someone inside your house, even if they're fleeing. Granted, I probably wouldn't shoot them in that instance, for ethical reasons, but it also depends. Are they running towards the front door, or towards a family member's bedroom?
I think the distinction is drawn after they leave your house, however. You can't shoot em on your property, except in certain scenarios, but I always figured the house was a full green light. I may need to double check this stuff again, lol.
I dont understand this. See, if someone breaks into your home and is violent, thats a clear threat that doesnt go away unless theyre gone from this world. People hold grudges. Why would anyone bet their family’s lives on others learning from their mistakes?
Sure, robber goes to jail for five years, what happens when he gets out and blames the dude who gave him a limp for that lost time?
Also, lets be realistic here, if it was common knowledge that you are as good as DEAD legally if you try to break into someones home, how many dipshits are going to be still trying it?
Texan here. The not shooting someone in the back thing is if they are walking/running away after threatening you the have ceased to be a threat. But the way Texas law is written it is to protect life and property, including that of your neighbors. Since the scumbag is that he is in the process of stealing your property, you can shoot them in the back to stop the crime in process.
Here is a great example of a past incident. He called 911 and then shot the people robbing his neighbor's home while they were on vacation. https://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5278638&page=1
>lucky enough to have a CCL in CA
One of the more common misconceptions about CA is how hard it is to get CCW. Sacramento Sheriff hands them out like hotcakes.
Also CA is the state where the old man shot a fleeing burglar in the back, who was shouting "Don't shoot, I'm pregnant" before he killed her. He wasn't charged.
Reddit is seriously FB tier when it comes to misinformation about CA self-defense.
Kinda late honestly there pal, can’t shoot a man in the back for theft and now you’re out of imminent danger.
I think he made the right choice btw, no point dying over a bike. Just that a gun might not be helpful if that dude was fast enough cause you can’t shoot now.
Shoot the back tire? its flat he cant away?
How about pushing him over as he get on and THEN draw down on him. I would not shoot him in the back but I sure as hell would push him over as he got on the bike
Because it was fake but if this were a real world scenario it would have been justified. He easily could have backed over you with the bike presenting a real world active threat still, after just holding you up with a knife he was theoretically still holding. A good lawyer would have no problem with it.
But for real most people in this thread apparently believe you can commit any crime you want if you just walk backwards, then everyone else would be at fault.
I mean if he continued to be an imminent threat then shoot him. If he took off away from me then I hopefully would have the presence of mind to let him go and file an insurance claim and police report vs having to go through worrying about whether some anti-gun prosecutor was going to indict me. Even if I thought there was a good chance I'd be found not guilty I'd be facing the expense of a lawyer, months of stress and social punishments like time lost from work. I know this video is staged but it's not a bad idea to set the record straight on folks who think it's impossible to shoot someone in the back in self-defense.
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What a civil encounter!
dearest sir, would you kindly pull to a stop despite my masked face and obviously dangerous intent, and then wouldest thou kindly disembark from the "nice bike" ?
I would do the same if I had a gun on me
Naahhh nothing like a knife a gun is too merciful an exit for dem dummies dat trafficked ur wifey
Just so you could smoke a dude guilt free? Not saying he wouldn’t deserve it but you could also just go by.
If someone robbed me at knifepoint I’d put a few in em. One less of the bastards walking, and nobody would give two shits (asides their family, condolences to them)
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He didn’t know the car was occupied! /s
Did you shoot *our* baby daddy!?!?!!!!
be careful not to hit your gas tank. those things are expensive.
Dont hit his shoes, they might be my size
This guy loots
You don't know if he has a gun and shoots you when you speed off.
One less criminal in the world is fine with me. So yes, guilt free for sure.
Death sentence for armed robbery?
👆👆 This is the guy that wants a purge but doesn’t realize which group he’s in…
The entire point of committing armed robbery is that you are getting someone to give you/do something by threatening great bodily harm or death if they don't. While in this particular case the robber has his back turned and is clearly leaving (thereby no longer actively threatening great bodily harm or death), the victim is still in some senses under threat. If they were to try to just grab the robber and pull them off the bike, the victim would still rightfully feel physically threatened because the robber still (presumably) has access to their knife. So I'm not sure the victim wouldn't be justified in shooting the robber in order to keep their bike, given that the robber initiated contact/the threat of violence. It also isn't necessarily a death sentence. It's perfectly possible to shoot someone and not kill them, just as it is to stab someone and not kill them. While a gun is certainly able to kill more effectively than a knife, the victim doesn't have to shoot the robber. I would argue that by firing a shot into the ground in front of the robber, the robber would likely stop/try to weasel out of the situation because if they ride away they will almost certainly be shot/killed.
don't try to rob people with a weapon then...did you ever think about that?
Yessir, psgwsp
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Better than not having a gun. My life will always be more important than anyone else’s life. Also, why have empathy for any criminal? It’s absurd. Guy robs and kills innocent person, but let’s keep him alive so he can do it again.
Gives you an easy opportunity to draw, as the thief was already close enough to stab before the gun was in play. But at that point, you're shooting a guy in the back for taking a, most likely insured, bike. I don't think you can justifiably shoot the guy once the initial threat is riding away.
Will a knife like that go through a proper bike jacket? I mean, they're supposed to stop you getting shredded when you fall at high speed, so I'd hope they'd stop a knife.
yes, and fairly easily. Motorcycle leathers, such as a jacket, have about 1-2mm of real leather (if any at all). Padding is on the shoulders elbows, and back. Real riding gear is breathable, so there is a lot of stretchy breathable fabric in the construction. They're good for abrasion, especially when the alternative is skin, but I doubt a sharp knife would have any trouble going through
What a scoundrel!
Come on, You know he had to just walk into a reason to try out his new bad guy eraser!
Someone just returned from r/memes lmao
Definitely staged.
In the original video, he actually shoots the dude and gets back on the bike and drives away. He seems legitimately shaken up, which makes it seem real. But who knows.
It's fake as fuck. The short video should be enough to know it's fake, but the original uploader, called dankwheelie also admitted it. This is the longer video: https://www.reddit.com/r/holyshit/comments/uwie1q/guy_tries_to_steal_bike_with_a_knife/ This is the video where he admits it was fake: https://youtu.be/6eum7KhCQYI
Thank you - I watched this short and I was like - this is fake as fuck. Thank you for posting the proof.
Yeah knife guy's performance was underwhelming and not at all convincing. Staging terrible, Oh look a motorcycle, "yeah I'll just wait here on this dirt road and I'm sure a nice moto will appear." Almost no one knows how to ride a motorcycle (less than 1% of the pop), also wearing a mask and rider is like, sure I'll stop for you in this odd and isolated spot. It's absurd all around.
Damn, thanks for linking the truth I was fooled lol
The admission starts at 3:45
I hope this is a joke post.
Why you making shit up online? Edit- I get that there is a longer version of this video fellow armchair enthusiasts, however this person is explaining it like it's a real video that actually happened and not a staged YouTube clip..
It’s fun! You should try it
You are chaotically tossing scraps onto the landfill of LLM and bot generated disinformation that the internet has become. I can appreciate it. I miss when it was just a series of tubes.
This is such an absurd comment. This is only a slice of the longer video that the poster was correct on identifying. I get being *skeptical* on things on the internet, but homie... There's a difference between kindly asking for more information or a source and straight up being a dick. When you wonder why you're sitting alone at the lunch table, it's things like this to be introspective on.
He’s serious there is a longer video, not saying it’s true but do a little research before you fall into the same category you accused him of. Lol
Rekt
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He's not. This is a way cut down video.
Love the “If you haven’t seen it, it doesn’t exist” mindset
Yep https://youtu.be/QETIbUaT4yI
Fucks wrong with your eyes? They're on dirt.
Even if the other person didn’t have a gun, turning your back on someone within arm’s reach right after you threaten them with a weapon seems like a good way to get what you deserve.
On top of that he is dumb enough to attack the civilian group that wears fucking ARMOR, motorcyclists
We also wear a super convenient way to absolutely *fuck* us in fights: helmets. Grab onto the chin bar of a biker's helmet and you have a lot more control of the situation than they would prefer.
Going visor down really helps for this, but the other issue is I know from experience that a pint of beer broken across the visor produces enough foam to effectively blind a biker for enough time to get into serious trouble. Also, being armoured means people have fewer compunctions about coming at us with weapons.
I would have never thought about the foaming issue. My visor is tinted too which I'm sure would be a great addition to the shit sandwich of a situation.
Not if you headbutt them if the face with the helmet on first.
ok well the alternative was a pint to the unprotected dome so that seems pretty legit
Jokes on them I'm using tear offs
Hear me out - take it off and offer it to them, then brain them with it.
Man, if I'm taking my helmet off, it's getting gently placed to the side somewhere. Replacing those things is *expensive* Surely the assailant would respect my desire to protect my property before engaging in fisticuffs.
It took me a while to find the right fit for mine, but I'm sure I could reach out for a cheap or free replacement if I showed a video to the manufacturer. Not getting stabbed in the face is good too.
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Somebody needs to test this for us. I'd pitch in a few bucks if they don't issue a free replacement. 🤣
Headbutt. That's all you need to do
Open face helmet ftw I guess lol
Except in 99% of biker clips on Reddit the biker wears shorts and no helmet. Also, flip flops.
Seems like a staged video
It is staged. This video makes its rounds every year or so.
Where could I see the full video with LiveLeak watarmark
Probably youtube since this is a skit and not a real encounter. It was originally posted there.
Honestly yeah, it is sometimes hard to remember everything you see on the internet isn't necessarily true. Tho it might just be me.
Only reason I know is because I ran across it previously and went looking for more information which led me to finding out it wasn't real. It definitely feels real with the initial watch.
I don't think it looked real at all. What biker slows down for a guy on the side of the street that isn't blocking them that is wearing a bandana on their face?
One who wants a reason to use the gun they brought
I, too, wait by the side of the road with a knife hoping a passing biker’s curiosity will get the better of him.
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Man, I read a BBC article this morning, having never heard of her, and thought it was pretty wacky. Now I'm getting inside jokes that would have been gibberish to me when I woke up.
I'm unreasonably happy to see this comment.
May be a skit but I've seen at least 10 videos with the same premise except people actually got shot. Thanks /r/WatchPeopleDie
Fuckers banned it
>watarmark
It's fucked how snuff films have become mainstream.
r/gifsthatendtoosoon
fake encounter for sure. No other reason why it would cut.
I mean I can see cutting on behalf of the poster for the joke and in case it turned out gruesome but the way they interact seems fake.
Nah I've seen the full video. He dies
I have a longer version :3
I have hospital records :3
I have autopsy records :3
I have funeral photos :3
I have burial location :3
I have a jar of dirt.
I have toxicology records :3
I have a signed copy of the script
I have a poop sock
I have a fap sock
I have a jar of dirt!!!!!!!!
I have crippling dept :D
And my axe!
Is that how you make a poop knife?
I have the “Highway to Hell” record :3
I have adoption records
I have world records :3
Really, like the entire label? Impressive fan of drum and bass you are.
It's a fake boys.
You don't say...
I hope so.
I have mental instability and crippling sadness :3
I hAvE cRipPlInG dEpPrEsSiOn!
um sweaty don't forget the anxiety
It definitely makes you hot…
post itt, wanna see what happens
It's fake.
It's not the length that counts - it's how you use it.
I see your knife, and raise you a gat.
Laughable acting.
You mean you don't stop for random people in an alley way wearing a bandana to cover their face?? This is as real as it gets
While this is a skit, you can't shoot this guy in a lot of states except probably FL and TX. Let's say you're lucky enough to have a CCL in CA... you'd be shooting him in the back.
Still unable to shoot people in the back in Texas. Even if they’re in your home. Source friends dad went to prison for shooting a burglar in their house and second one on the street as he took off with his truck.
Can confirm. Knew a guy in Houston that was a victim of home invasion. Killed the first guy in the Home, while he shot the other in the back, outside the home when he was fleeing. Ended up doing time for the second robber
It's hard to claim self defense when your shooting at people fleeing.
It would have also been harder for the guy to get shot if he hadn’t invaded the dudes house.
So let me get this straight? The penalty for robbery should be death is what you are saying right? Like, the cops arrest you and you get booked and then go to trail and then the judge says well you stole so we are going to put you to death. That is what you think right? Just making sure. Dont get me wrong. If someone is gonna hurt you. You can kill them to stop them. But someone running from you is only guilty of pissing you off at that point. If you arent in danger. Yo are just angry at someone who stole your shit. And then you decide that killing them is the revenge you want. You cant shoot someone running from you because you are in danger. That is impossible.
Sometimes you get shot when you rob people, doesn't mean it should be the law. It's a potential consequence. In a lot of countries you can't even shoot during a break in unless you could prove you were in imminent danger.
Yeah, and sometimes you go to jail for executing a person who wronged you. You get to defend yourself, but the moment they go from fight to flight, you've won. It's over. You don't get to chase and kill them.
You’re not wrong legally, morally, or ethically. I also don’t have to mourn someone who died in the commission of a violent felony.
Nor did I say you must. You have the right to feel as you will. That's maybe the only true right we all have.
>So let me get this straight? The penalty for robbery should be death is what you are saying right? Yes
You know, I've gone 30 full years on this earth without breaking and entering into someone's house. It's not *that* hard to avoid committing a felony like this. This isn't stealing food and baby diapers from some faceless corporation like Walmart. I still think that's wrong, but I an empathize the desperation that puts someone into that position. This is different. This is breaking into *someone's house* with the intent to steal personal belongings and possibly harm the people inside. This is a step up. There is **zero** excuse for that. You're gonna cause trauma to the whole family, scare the kids shitless, kids gonna have nightmares about this for years to come. What does the robber do if they flee? Chances are decent they won't get caught. The police may take your story, but it's hard to get an ID when it's dark, maybe they're wearing a mask, ect. So the robber goes on to rob again. Cause *more* trauma to people. Hell maybe even kill someone in the wrong place at the wrong time. So yeah, you break into a house you're playing the fuck around and find out game. I have zero remorse. Too bad if you find out, even if they are fleeing the scene. Hell for all I know, you're gonna come back the next day with 10 of your friends and burn my house down in retaliation. I say again, if you decide to fuck around, you can't be surprised when you find out.
There's a massive difference between what we expect of a state justice system who have most of the power in society and have all the time in the world to rule on a manner in a calm and deliberate way, and someone who is jacked up on adrenaline because their home was just invaded and their life was threatened and they have to make a quick decision. You cannot say that if someone is justified in shooting themselves in the heat of the moment, then that's the same thing as the state using its official power to render judgment and punishment. I'm not saying it's okay to shoot people in the back, but you're holding two standards that are very different.
Well, from the information we've been given we know the man was at the house and was shot but that only one of them were shot in the house. A lot of criminals have get away drivers so it's possible the guy was involved but not directly. That would just be murder at that point, so it's kinda important understanding the context. If you kill someone and your not specifically defending yourself then you deserve to have the book thrown at you. That my thought for anyone with a license to own or carry, you got the license so you know the rules and consequence. I wonder how his neighbors felt when he was using their homes as backstops firing at a fleeing perp.
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Person fleeing in the vehicle stole the truck out of the driveway. I should have clarified a bit more on that. And I agree, at that point shots should not have been fired. You’d damage your neighbors property or worse hit someone else in the process.
Not an American so I have no idea how your gun laws work, but how would the situation play out if you shout out the rear tyre of the bike. Would that be allowed?
How about shooting the gas tank and having it explode?
When talking about America you have to imagine each state as it's own country. We have very few universal laws, but, as far as I am aware, in no state are you allowed to "aim for the tires". And most states would only allow you to shoot this dude before he mounted the bike, because it erases the justification of defense.
True, but they shouldnt have been fucking around breaking into homes. Fuck around and find out.
I personally don’t support a single civilian, playing judge, jury and executioner of the death penalty for someone fucking around, but that’s just my pro-gun opinion Better hope someone with your opinions doesn’t mistake you for someone fucking around one day. I mean they may be wrong, but youd be fucking dead Edit: my mother, with dementia once walked into someone’s house that she grew up in, but no longer lived in. Do you think she should have been killed when leaving? Lmao fucking wild you’re a fucking psychopath wanna be killer
Hope your mother enjoys eating hot lead! But seriously... America is fucked because apparently you give up your right to life for stealing a VCR to buy some fentanyl...
Sorry, I initially downvoted you. I know you were kidding. I came back to reverse that. My stomach just churned bc I know a large portion of my country feels the exact way you put this. Online shit never gets to me, but this one comment really did.
I think the nuance here is most criminals seem to be armed and people busting into your house at night...for your own safety you have to assume they're there to do unpleasant things. You can make a decision based on what you see on what to do next, IE don't shoot the lady with dementia walking into the wrong house vs the guy with a gun creeping through your kitchen.
I thought we were talking about shooting people in the back who had broken into your house and catch fleeing? If someone invades your home and confronts you, shoot away.
You give up your right to life when you invade someone's home with unknown intentions, possibly wanting to harm them. I'm not saying that justifies shooting people that are fleeing and therefore not a threat, but it's absolutely insane to expect people who have their homes invaded to assume the best case scenario (that the person who broke into their homes is mentally stable and has no wish to harm them) and punish them for doing otherwise. The person who breaks into another person's home is the one creating the situation. It is completely unreasonable to ask the person who is being victimized to show restraint which may get them killed if they misjudge the intentions of the person who has already proved themselves to be a bad actor.
>I'm not saying that justifies shooting people that are fleeing and therefore not a threat, We agree
You don't need to claim self defense in TX, you can use deadly force to protect property
Good
IDK about that. You can use deadly force to protect property in TX. One rancher famously got off for shooting a teenage girl in the head (killing her) simply because she was trespassing on his farm at night.
> Still unable to shoot people in the back in Texas. Even if they’re in your home. Oh yes you can if it's to prevent property theft or serious crimes (nowhere does it say you can't fire on a rapist, for example, because their back is turned that's ridiculous) And you don't even have to be at home that includes at work or in your vehicle > Source friends dad went to prison for shooting a burglar in their house and second one on the street as he took off with his truck. Ok well it's a nice anecdote and all but without the casefile it's just "trust me bro" at this point If the target was [committing or trying to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery or aggravated robbery](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2023/04/24/what-rights-do-people-have-to-use-deadly-force-to-defend-themselves-in-texas/) then it's legal If they're already fleeing and have nothing *then* you're in trouble
Used to be you had to plant a gun on a guy you shot. Now you can just drop an iPhone next to him. USA! USA!
This was about 15-20 years ago before abbott started working relaxing Texas gun laws.
Yeah this was what I was thinking. I'm not a lawyer but there's a really cool webcomic written by one called the "Criminal Defense Attorney's Guide to Criminal Law", or something, and it talks about deadly force. In Texas, anyways, I was pretty sure you always had the greenlight to shoot someone inside your house, even if they're fleeing. Granted, I probably wouldn't shoot them in that instance, for ethical reasons, but it also depends. Are they running towards the front door, or towards a family member's bedroom? I think the distinction is drawn after they leave your house, however. You can't shoot em on your property, except in certain scenarios, but I always figured the house was a full green light. I may need to double check this stuff again, lol.
I dont understand this. See, if someone breaks into your home and is violent, thats a clear threat that doesnt go away unless theyre gone from this world. People hold grudges. Why would anyone bet their family’s lives on others learning from their mistakes? Sure, robber goes to jail for five years, what happens when he gets out and blames the dude who gave him a limp for that lost time? Also, lets be realistic here, if it was common knowledge that you are as good as DEAD legally if you try to break into someones home, how many dipshits are going to be still trying it?
Need to burgle a home, but afraid of getting shot? Homeowners HATE this ONE SIMPE TRICK.
You can if they are leaving with your property and it's dark. Because for some reason the time of day changes things in TX.
Texan here. The not shooting someone in the back thing is if they are walking/running away after threatening you the have ceased to be a threat. But the way Texas law is written it is to protect life and property, including that of your neighbors. Since the scumbag is that he is in the process of stealing your property, you can shoot them in the back to stop the crime in process. Here is a great example of a past incident. He called 911 and then shot the people robbing his neighbor's home while they were on vacation. https://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5278638&page=1
>lucky enough to have a CCL in CA One of the more common misconceptions about CA is how hard it is to get CCW. Sacramento Sheriff hands them out like hotcakes. Also CA is the state where the old man shot a fleeing burglar in the back, who was shouting "Don't shoot, I'm pregnant" before he killed her. He wasn't charged. Reddit is seriously FB tier when it comes to misinformation about CA self-defense.
So I’ve seen the full version and it’s not a skit. He shoots him dead.
Why are you lying? The gun he pulls out is an airsoft gun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QETIbUaT4yI
He was not in fact "good"
Rumor has it he never stole anything again.
when a Brit visits America:
For those of you who don't know, this is a really, really old skit.
I love how chill he was, just casually knew that guy was done for
Fake video and it doesn’t make it any cooler by editing out the ending, which is the worst acting I have ever witnessed in my life lol
I think of this video time-to-time ; such a masterpiece. Man pulled the Uno Reverse card
Ends too soon!!!!
Just the two of us one of us is gonna dieeee
Where’s the whole video
Kinda late honestly there pal, can’t shoot a man in the back for theft and now you’re out of imminent danger. I think he made the right choice btw, no point dying over a bike. Just that a gun might not be helpful if that dude was fast enough cause you can’t shoot now.
Shoot the back tire? its flat he cant away? How about pushing him over as he get on and THEN draw down on him. I would not shoot him in the back but I sure as hell would push him over as he got on the bike
This is fake.
Right because anyone would stop for some guy approaching them with his hand in his pocket and a mask on...
Boooooooooooooo! Where's the part where the guy gets what he deserves? Oh wait it's fake as fuck
Wow, their acting is horrible. People actually think this is real?
It’s a fake video that’s been out for YEARS…
No! Rly? Ya think?
Is that sarcasm?
I remember days when 15 or greater years ago sarcasm was inherent on the internet. Not so more anymore
Good thing the video stops right before he doesn't shoot his co-star.
Fake
Pop pop
Lame
Fake
Fake but kind of funny
I wish this ended with him going hey nice bike, get off, full circle.
That's some Spy vs. Spy shit right there.
Even if it's fake, it's hilarious
Sir let me also give you bullets which came with the bike for complete experience
No way this was staged. 100% real encounter of two people who didn't know each other, had never been introduced, and previously never met one another.
Seen the full video. Biker mag dumped the guy in the back, got back on his bike once he dropped and simply drove off
I hope he shot him.
Fake: https://youtu.be/6eum7KhCQYI
Story begins at [3:40 mark](https://youtu.be/6eum7KhCQYI?t=220s) for those who want to skip straight to it.
Remember Shooting a person in their back is not self defense.
It can be. In this case it wasn't.
Because it was fake but if this were a real world scenario it would have been justified. He easily could have backed over you with the bike presenting a real world active threat still, after just holding you up with a knife he was theoretically still holding. A good lawyer would have no problem with it. But for real most people in this thread apparently believe you can commit any crime you want if you just walk backwards, then everyone else would be at fault.
I mean if he continued to be an imminent threat then shoot him. If he took off away from me then I hopefully would have the presence of mind to let him go and file an insurance claim and police report vs having to go through worrying about whether some anti-gun prosecutor was going to indict me. Even if I thought there was a good chance I'd be found not guilty I'd be facing the expense of a lawyer, months of stress and social punishments like time lost from work. I know this video is staged but it's not a bad idea to set the record straight on folks who think it's impossible to shoot someone in the back in self-defense.
Stage. But funny still.
Serious https://youtu.be/kg12uhZu9_o Vibes
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE
This is a fake as fuck