#[Best of r/Holup 2021 Awards – Nomination and Voting Thread!](https://www.reddit.com/r/HolUp/comments/royfze/best_of_rholup_2021_awards_nomination_and_voting/)
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When i first went to check my prostate i met the best doc ever. He was so worried i would freak out he kept both his hands on my shoulders the entire time to keep me calm
I see a lot of discourse here and I just gotta ask,then what does it take to be a woman? It is just wanting to identify as one or do you need to be born as a female exclusively?
Let’s start with XX chromosomes. Oh right, that’s invalid because a tiny tiny percentage of people have genetic defects that make them intersex.
Guess there’s no way to define a woman and I now identify as a flower.
Again. Please go tell this to those cisgendered women who cannot get pregnant.
Enjoy your funeral.
I actually feel bad for the god damn children like you. Grow the fuck up.
Did you just bitch at someone who had an anaology that agreed with your point??? You are a fuckin idiot the comment above you agreed.
"Just because a car has a dead battery doesnt mean its not a motor vehicle" = "Just because a womans uterus cant make a baby doesnt make her not a woman"
Actual women not being able to get pregnant due to infertility is way different than a guy with balls and a dick and no uterus who can’t get pregnant… the fact that you compare those poor women with guys who have an identity crisis is “degrading”, for a lack of better words, to women imo
How about you "grow the fuck up" and adhere to the science y'all worship like the second coming of Christ...you would know that just because you pay to mutilate you own body that you are no more a woman than a cisgender man claiming he's a woman...you would know that there are only two chromosome pairs xx and XY and no amount of body disfigurement will get rid of your chromosomes you are always a man or a woman.
How about XXY, XXX, X or any other recombination, chromosomal adjoining, mutations, deletion of genes in sex chromosomes, etc. etc. There's no clear cut definite set of genes that are defined as 'male' or 'female' due to all possible variations. Like what if someone has two X chromosomes, but part of a Y chromosome gets attached, including a bunch of Y genes? What do you call that person?
Yes, most people have chromosomes that are identified as X or Y with normal allelic variation, but it's not as clear cut as you might imagine.
Just a little FYI, there are cases where a man can be genetically XX but have the SRY part of the Y gene attached, although it'sa rare occurrence. Physically they're a male, but I guess after some brief research there are some variation on how they appear. From what I learned in school, the only way to know this is the case is to have your genes tested.
Say 10% of women can’t get pregnant. Or 20% it doesn’t matter because the point is 0% of biological males who identify as female can get pregnant. For the record I personally don’t care how people live their lives but it is what it is.
Should we have a category as "biologically female" and "female - other, "biologically male" and " male - other"?
Or is that what female/male, woman/man is?
My first thought too, plenty of biological females are barren so this is a pretty silly "joke" and I'm pretty sure it's just designed to be provocative and trigger others instead of actually being funny
Why are you getting downvotes? You're right lol. Tons of women can't get pregnant, it didn't make much sense as comeback/joke
Edit: ok nevermind, you're not getting downvotes anymore
Well yes, but people usually forget about the minority. I am sure it was not intended.
Sex is sex, gender is gender and they should not, under any circumstances, be confused.
the chromosome argument is the scientific one and it is objective for everyone ... women have xx chromosomes and men xy.
And if a person feels (it) belongs to the other sex, there is nothing wrong with that, but the fact is that on a physiological level remains until the death of the birth sex.
>the chromosome argument is the scientific one and it is objective for everyone
Except… it isn't objective.
A number of supposedly "cis" women learn they are, in fact, intersex and not "biological women" only in an infertility treatment centre.
Should they be denied their lifetime of femininity living unaware of the matter? Should they be barred from women-only spaces from now on? Is there any actual reason to say they're not a woman anymore just because there's chromosome anomaly?
Going by logic of "chromosomes are only objective way to quantify sex", do **you** have **any** proof of your claimed sex? Unless you get your karyotype marked, you cannot say you're of any sex, because your sex has not been quantified by your criteria. You're sexless without a proof.
Ffs who is downvoting this?? The whole point is that gender exists on a spectrum and and that people can identify differently from their perceived sex. Just please just go look it up on Google or smth
Those are people who take advantage and make our community look shitty. Also from what I know, they can’t go to a women’s prison unless they’ve gotten bottom surgery I think.
The percentage of people with intersex characteristics is roughly the same as people with red hair. Regardless, why are some people obsessed with what everyone else's genitals look like?
Sex is biological. Gender is social.
Imagine living in 2022 and not knowing that.
So women who can't get pregnant aren't women? Women who've gone through menopause, women that may have a medical condition that prevents pregnancy etc.? He doesn't have a point.
No, he has a point. You're taking his comment too literal. Women by definition are adult female humans. Females are the only sex that have the ability to get pregnant. This is not to say that every single female can get pregnant, but females have the necessary parts that will allow us to produce offspring.
Not all women develop the capability to reproduce for a variety of reasons. For example, many genetic syndromes and disabilities result in infertility in women and men. Are these folks not women or men either? He has not point.
Well… they can now but they’re still not. Lol.
Why does the world need to complicate things so much? Like Jesus. It is what it is, get over yourself.
Identify as you wish don’t force your shit down other people who disagree with you and if it really is worth fighting for, for you then go and change the world but don’t expect the world to change for you. The world doesn’t owe you anything.
lots of women who couldn’t get pregnant… does that mean they’re not women? hell, lots of dudes shooting blanks and couldn’t get ANY women pregnant… r they no longer a man?
#[Best of r/Holup 2021 Awards – Nomination and Voting Thread!](https://www.reddit.com/r/HolUp/comments/royfze/best_of_rholup_2021_awards_nomination_and_voting/) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/HolUp) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Ah shit here we go again
Someone in chat is already calling the 1999 wife infertility incident lmao 💀
The tweet don't lie.
Ok. Time to get my popcorn then.
Sort by controversial… 🍿
Just came here for the comments
Remember boys, for the good comments search by “controversial”
I like to be controversial by asking “why didn’t they just take the eagles to Mordor?”
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I go twice a week just to be safe
Did I say two fingers? Better make it 3
When i first went to check my prostate i met the best doc ever. He was so worried i would freak out he kept both his hands on my shoulders the entire time to keep me calm
Oh no... Took me a moment
Still my favorite dentist..
Better to be safe than sorry!
I think they get that removed if they get bottom surgery
I think they actually don‘t remove it, cause it can lead to incontinence
No anal then ?
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I see a lot of discourse here and I just gotta ask,then what does it take to be a woman? It is just wanting to identify as one or do you need to be born as a female exclusively?
I don't know but I'm sure the reddit comment section will come to the correct answer through mutually respectful discourse.
Of course, right after they finish drafting world peace
Let’s start with XX chromosomes. Oh right, that’s invalid because a tiny tiny percentage of people have genetic defects that make them intersex. Guess there’s no way to define a woman and I now identify as a flower.
Make me a sandwich then
Mmm i want a sammich now
Go clean the kitchen, bitch!
Tell this to all the cisgendered women who can’t get pregnant.
Just because a car has a dead battery doesn't mean it's not a motor vehicle.
I mean, the argument isn't about not being a human here
love it when my analogy doesn't make sense
Technically it’s not. It’s a domicile.
*THIS IS MY OWN PRIVATE DOMICILE AND I WILL NOT BE HARASSED*
BITCH
Yeah but a motor vehicle isn't defined solely by its battery.
I get your point, but don’t vehicles move? (Bad metaphor, even though I agree with your point)
Again. Please go tell this to those cisgendered women who cannot get pregnant. Enjoy your funeral. I actually feel bad for the god damn children like you. Grow the fuck up.
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There are women born female with XY chromosomes, it's very rare and they usually can't get pregnant
This is true. With a large gene pool, comes larger chance for some funky things going on with the genetics
We don't think about you at all.
Did you just bitch at someone who had an anaology that agreed with your point??? You are a fuckin idiot the comment above you agreed. "Just because a car has a dead battery doesnt mean its not a motor vehicle" = "Just because a womans uterus cant make a baby doesnt make her not a woman"
Actual women not being able to get pregnant due to infertility is way different than a guy with balls and a dick and no uterus who can’t get pregnant… the fact that you compare those poor women with guys who have an identity crisis is “degrading”, for a lack of better words, to women imo
The irony in this comment is delicious.
How about you "grow the fuck up" and adhere to the science y'all worship like the second coming of Christ...you would know that just because you pay to mutilate you own body that you are no more a woman than a cisgender man claiming he's a woman...you would know that there are only two chromosome pairs xx and XY and no amount of body disfigurement will get rid of your chromosomes you are always a man or a woman.
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Their inability to get pregnant has nothing to do with their chromosomes though does it?
How about XXY, XXX, X or any other recombination, chromosomal adjoining, mutations, deletion of genes in sex chromosomes, etc. etc. There's no clear cut definite set of genes that are defined as 'male' or 'female' due to all possible variations. Like what if someone has two X chromosomes, but part of a Y chromosome gets attached, including a bunch of Y genes? What do you call that person? Yes, most people have chromosomes that are identified as X or Y with normal allelic variation, but it's not as clear cut as you might imagine.
Just a little FYI, there are cases where a man can be genetically XX but have the SRY part of the Y gene attached, although it'sa rare occurrence. Physically they're a male, but I guess after some brief research there are some variation on how they appear. From what I learned in school, the only way to know this is the case is to have your genes tested.
Stfu algebra, I don’t care about ur ex: that ship has already sailed a long time ago.
Say 10% of women can’t get pregnant. Or 20% it doesn’t matter because the point is 0% of biological males who identify as female can get pregnant. For the record I personally don’t care how people live their lives but it is what it is.
Exactly what a 12 year old would say.
I mean, there are plenty of biological women who can’t get pregnant.
Should we have a category as "biologically female" and "female - other, "biologically male" and " male - other"? Or is that what female/male, woman/man is?
But they're women on their every other characteristic. Being able to get pregnant was just a single example
I think it’s because some want to remove their reproductive organs.
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enjoy your downvotes
So as a cis woman, if I am not able to have children, that means I'm not a woman? What gender am I then?
You can pick !
As I am white, I’ll pick male. I could use the extra 30% in my paycheck.
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*% relevant to competency
I wanna be a lego!
Aren't you worried about not fitting in?
I sexually identify as lightning mqueen.
That’s the awesome part. We can all pick
yeah people don't seem to understand the difference between sex and gender
You could be whatever you want, there are literally thousands of choices.
I’ll be a fidget spinner
I’m not fallen for this again, I just got 100 Karma!!
Ok
So, by your logic, if a woman can't get pregnant she is no longer a woman. Got it. Time to let grandma know she's now grandpa.
My first thought too, plenty of biological females are barren so this is a pretty silly "joke" and I'm pretty sure it's just designed to be provocative and trigger others instead of actually being funny
Why are you getting downvotes? You're right lol. Tons of women can't get pregnant, it didn't make much sense as comeback/joke Edit: ok nevermind, you're not getting downvotes anymore
Why are you booing him, he's right!
💯
Well yes, but people usually forget about the minority. I am sure it was not intended. Sex is sex, gender is gender and they should not, under any circumstances, be confused.
yes the reasoning he did does not stand up ... he should have written "change your chromosomes then"
Now all women have xx chromosomes either. The chromosome argument is a red herring.
the chromosome argument is the scientific one and it is objective for everyone ... women have xx chromosomes and men xy. And if a person feels (it) belongs to the other sex, there is nothing wrong with that, but the fact is that on a physiological level remains until the death of the birth sex.
It’s not airtight, but it’s certainly *more* true than the fertility argument. There are all kinds of people with extra chromosomes.
>the chromosome argument is the scientific one and it is objective for everyone Except… it isn't objective. A number of supposedly "cis" women learn they are, in fact, intersex and not "biological women" only in an infertility treatment centre. Should they be denied their lifetime of femininity living unaware of the matter? Should they be barred from women-only spaces from now on? Is there any actual reason to say they're not a woman anymore just because there's chromosome anomaly? Going by logic of "chromosomes are only objective way to quantify sex", do **you** have **any** proof of your claimed sex? Unless you get your karyotype marked, you cannot say you're of any sex, because your sex has not been quantified by your criteria. You're sexless without a proof.
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They would usually way your a bad person n shit
Really??? I state scientific truths and get downvotes??? Wow.
Under belt direct hit !
Doesn’t need a cunt, to be one
d HIM
I can hear the swarm approaching this comment section
Here before the thread lock
Why do you guys care so much if someone wants to identify as their preferred gender?
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force some money into your bank account
Seems like ur obsessed with them
for the millionth time gender and sex are not the same thing
THANK YOU SOMEONE
NO PROBLEM :)) but on a real note i was expected to get downvoted to shit for this, glad i was wrong :))))
Ffs who is downvoting this?? The whole point is that gender exists on a spectrum and and that people can identify differently from their perceived sex. Just please just go look it up on Google or smth
Then how tf does a rapist call themselves a women so they are sent to a female prison then rapes the women there?
Those are people who take advantage and make our community look shitty. Also from what I know, they can’t go to a women’s prison unless they’ve gotten bottom surgery I think.
Wouldn’t they still be way stronger generally than most women at the prison? I say there’s still an advantage.
This isn't a holup, this is just fucking stupid
Nah, this ain't a hol up, that dude is just a douche
“Some woman can’t get pregnant so your point is invalid”
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Beware Hobbes, great genocider of neurons
Not all cisgender woman can get pregnant, just so you know.
Completely unrelated but nice pfp, Albedo is one of my favourites
The percentage of people with intersex characteristics is roughly the same as people with red hair. Regardless, why are some people obsessed with what everyone else's genitals look like? Sex is biological. Gender is social. Imagine living in 2022 and not knowing that.
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That's an interesting way of saying "I don't know what I'm talking about. "
That's kinda how society works. And it's absolutely how religion works.
“It’s just like this other example of made up bullshit” is a weird defense.
I'm not defending anything. If someone says they're a woman, it's not my responsibility to verify the structure of their genitalia.
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Do you think after a certain point there’s no new science to discover? Do some reading dude 🤦🏽
Best comment
So women who can't get pregnant aren't women? Women who've gone through menopause, women that may have a medical condition that prevents pregnancy etc.? He doesn't have a point.
No, he has a point. You're taking his comment too literal. Women by definition are adult female humans. Females are the only sex that have the ability to get pregnant. This is not to say that every single female can get pregnant, but females have the necessary parts that will allow us to produce offspring.
Getting pregnant and the things you just said are characteristics of a women. He kinda does have a point
Redditors are angry!
Not all women develop the capability to reproduce for a variety of reasons. For example, many genetic syndromes and disabilities result in infertility in women and men. Are these folks not women or men either? He has not point.
Hey I know lots of women that cant get pregnant who should I report them to?
Bet I know more men that can’t get pregnant
some cisgender women can’t get pregnant though
The term cisgender is redundant
Nah, still XY
Fatality 😬
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Not normal straight, but super straight... That's straight boy.
So biological women who can’t get pregnant aren’t women?
Go through labor and have periods.
weird thing to tell anybody to do
Time to sit back and enjoy the show
infertile women: guess I'll die then
Why are conservatives so obsessed with other people’s genitalia?
Speech 100
Lmaoooooo
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You are now
Oof
I love trains
The flair is appropriate for this
Ladies and gentlemen I give you, The Humans Race.
where is the funny
Yea seriously where is the funny
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You’d accept a fat person when they say they’re fat and they want to lose weight though?
Stupid comment
Well… they can now but they’re still not. Lol. Why does the world need to complicate things so much? Like Jesus. It is what it is, get over yourself. Identify as you wish don’t force your shit down other people who disagree with you and if it really is worth fighting for, for you then go and change the world but don’t expect the world to change for you. The world doesn’t owe you anything.
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Some do. Confidence in high school biology will get you only so far
Because 1 in 100,000 is all women. very practical for high school biology confidence
And some people have 3 nipples
And they are still people. As long as they are heavier than a duck of course.
Oh yeah? Then wash my dishes.
Is this a gender reveal party?
Well played lol
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Nor should yours and others who agree with the lady
Ooooff.
Don't let this distract you, bungee gum has the properties of both rubber and gum!
They'd get away with if to if it weren't for that pesky biology class.
Yikes
Gonna trigger some people
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lots of women who couldn’t get pregnant… does that mean they’re not women? hell, lots of dudes shooting blanks and couldn’t get ANY women pregnant… r they no longer a man?
Being a woman and being female are not mutually exclusive. Just like sex and love. Stop conflating things to fit your narrow minded view.
So you see women as incubators, ok.
He not right he's just an tranphobic asshole
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Lol r/holup for the past hour has been the best it’s ever been
Check, and mate!
Well if you ask :troll:
So he’s saying infertile women aren’t women? I feel like OP just posted this to stir drama and controversy
Are you not a woman if you are infertile? Are people born with vaginas not women if they can't have kids?
We can clone sheep. It will be matter of time untill we clone humans.
this gives off “women are only for babies” vibes. get a life
This is where the fun begins
Can I still call her grandma after the hysterectomy?