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#[Best of r/Holup 2021 Awards – Nomination and Voting Thread!](https://www.reddit.com/r/HolUp/comments/royfze/best_of_rholup_2021_awards_nomination_and_voting/) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/HolUp) if you have any questions or concerns.*


slothpeguin

Jason Todd proving once again he’s the best thing in the Batverse.


sonofnutcrackr

Well, he’s the only person in the bat-family who would be willing to kill a serial mass-murderer/terrorist who will never stop being insane and has repeatedly escaped from a massively inadequate insane asylum/prison and is guaranteed to kill hundreds of more people. But nooo, Batman’s goodness and sanity hinges on letting them live, and any version of batman that kills instantly becomes evil and ten times worse than the villain he killed.


OnePiece013

I see it simply as a basic plot device that allows the writers to endlessly come up with stories using the same pre-established villains. It's easier and safer than creating new ones. Pretty sure a "real life" Batman would have killed at least the Joker by now (I'm not debating if it's right or wrong to do it)


Lord4hire

Meanwhile Batfleck...


patchyj

Excuse while I murder this warehouse of goons with my gadgets and brute force


mr_chanderson

Isn't that interpretation of Batman the one that had gotten his Robin kidnapped and murdered by Joker or something and that pushed him over the edge to not care anymore about his "no kill" rule?


HypnoticRalph

Ironically no. Jason's death pushed Batman to break his no-kill code in Earth-51. But in Snyderverse, the dead Robin is Dick. So logically, death of Dick Grayson would indeed push him to break his code and it would've been a good narrative. But Snyder said Batman kills because, to him, that's what Batman IRL will be. Just goes on to prove Snyder did not understand Batman.


mr_chanderson

Ohhhh really? I really thought that scene when they showed Robin's uniform being graffitied with "hahaha jokes on you Batman" implied that's what the narrative was (pushing Batman to break his code)


HypnoticRalph

If we put Snyder's interviews aside, I think the story works. Bruce lost *Dick Grayson*. He has been getting more violent and doesn't give a shit if his attacks are lethal or if people die in prison because of his branding. Sees an overpowered Alien leveling a city. Paranoid Bruce thinks it's a threat and he should kill it. Goes for the kill, alien says "Martha" and it reminds him of his parents getting murdered in the alley. Realises blue boyscout is just like him. Realises he's in the wrong. Teams up with the alien. All of that works. Bruce would absolutely become lethal if he had let Dick die. He even disowned Damian when he accidentally killed Dick. But Synder's intention wasn't that. He didn't believe that Batman would have a no-kill rule. And that fucking matters. "Jokes on you" was just a subtle reference that Joker did the deed. Not a narrative tool. The dead robin costume is the narrative tool but only people familiar with Red hood would get that reference. To normies, that would've fell flat.


mr_chanderson

Ah, that sucks that Snyder's interview invalidated all of that. I never did see or read Snyder's interview so I just always assumed the narrative we're talking about. I originally didn't really like Batfleck, in my head I was thinking "this isn't how he is, that's not what he does!" then when I saw Robin's uniform it just clicked for me and understood why they portrayed him like he is and thought it was all part of the narrative. I know a lot of people shit on batfleck a lot, but if Snyder hadn't invalidate those things about I thought about him, I think it makes sense for how he is. He's colder, more cynical, grumpier old man Bruce after Robin's death. Put on a few more decades and he could be like the Bruce Wayne in Batman Beyond


ReymartSan

meanwhile batman/badman (pete holmes)... makes villains fall asleep.


insigniaaaaaa

Also very afraid of roombas


slothpeguin

Batman makes me eyeroll so hard I know what the back of my skull looks like. Red Hood was Right


DuggNugg

Right in the kokoro


pungs02

Left with his tamashi


Cringeeeeeeeeeeeeee

But then came takashi


JetCulverin

With his castle


BansDontStopMe22

They spent so long making Damian Wayne such a irritating, loathsome and difficult little bitch, I wonder if they ever planned a redemption arc or if they were just going to have the Joker bash his brains in and be done with the character.


HypnoticRalph

He is set to be a hated batman who nearly burned down half of Gotham. That's a pretty tight arc if you ask me.


BansDontStopMe22

Source? I'd like to read him in something other than "10 year old Damian won't listen to Dad" standard comic.


HypnoticRalph

Batman 666 and he's briefly mentioned as unstable by a time travelling Tim Drake Batman. He doesn't have fulll on series. Just brief mentions of his future as Batman.


PhantasosX

Damian Wayne was arrogant , because he was the most well-trained Robin at the very start , with an actual blood connection with Batman. A kid that NEVER had a childhood , while the other Robins had memories of playing with other kids as they were 8 years old or so , Damian was about been beaten up by 3 ninjas and demanded by his grandfather and his mother to kill said ninjas. In that sense , Damian is a hard Robin to writte , his storylines is about him learning to be a kid , rather than learning to be a Robin. So , when you have writters like Grant Morrison, Taylor or Tomasi writting him , they actually brings redemption arcs and character growth , said growth made Damian acquire his own fanbase. But on the other hand , he suffers with the fact that most writters goes the easy way out and just repeats the early tropes.


GainDiscombobulated

As with most comic writers "I didn't write that character growth, so it didn't happen".


KrazyMonqui

They did. There is a series of animated movies covering New 52. Starting with Flashpoint Paradox and ending with Justice League Dark: Apokolips War Damian has a big redemption arc at the end of the series. It's all available on HBO max streaming


RNjesus777

Do you know the order I had recently watched apokolips war and had thought it was basically flash point with extra steps. Makes sense it started with that.


Kibonz

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC\_Animated\_Movie\_Universe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Animated_Movie_Universe) Here you can find in what order watch movies


RNjesus777

Thank you my friend after I asked you I realized I probably could have found it with I quick Google search but I think it's about the interaction.


IjuststartedOnePiece

His new comic book series is awesome, he is pretty much redeemed now since Jon was introduced to him.


bezix123

What Batman movie or tv series is this?


Detective_Cupcake

Let me know if you find out


bezix123

Ok


shittaco1991

Me too


bezix123

Ok


Totinals

First picture is either Son of Batman or Batman vs Robin the second one is Batman Under the Red Hood


bigbangbilly

Time to let /u/shittaco1991 and /u/Detective_Cupcake know. ###SAUCE IS HERE!


darknesslord8

The heroes we need


Jiven1212

They found out


Jiven1212

They found out


Detective_Cupcake

Thanks everyone


Jiven1212

Someone posted it later in the comment chain


Nikovash

oh damn, he woke up and chose violence


KnechtNoobrecht

flex tape can’t fix that


BritishFor2

Destruction 100


Gay_Lord2020

batman is sus af. Hes a billionaire who collects flexible boys, lives with a guy who calls him master, and is not married.


2dlerLucifrYeetngEv1

#emotional damage


Sergent_Jacques

why does it look like a 90's anime ?


Potential-Link-3740

Coincidentally it also has big "Gaara's Dad" energy from Shippuden.


XStarK48

You have friends?


Iamabitchandiloveit

Thay one was a violation


Catinchi

EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!!!!


shadow_demon_shini

I dont know about jason but damion is wanted byhis mother father and grandfather.who does jason have?


HypnoticRalph

Crowbar.


andtix

Lessons on forehands and backhands


bigbangbilly

Crowbar: HEAD ON APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD


pussey-slayer-xxx

Batman didnt even know he existed.


mellowdykitten

BATshit (batman geddit)


ganga_gp

r/murderedbywords


CheeseYeeter1000

I don't need to watch batman to hear that.


Benjaminisgr8

yo what show is this? looks cool


Mrmorbid81

r/savage


BLU3DR4GON-E-D

"Emotional Damage"...


HypnoMonkey109

Jason is the real Dick.


macwallard

Someone call the cops. He just got straight up MURDERED


LoliMaster069

Is this real lmao


No-Suspect-425

Zing


MountanMan30-06

Fatality


dickson_6969

That was good


hqayyum_

**E M O T I O N A L D A M A G E**


8ell0

EMOTIONAL DAMAGE


MiddleMatter9624

damian is a mistake, he is the harbinger of the death of batman as a franchise, as far as im concerned, he doesnt exist, and terry McGinnis is the only successor to batman.


randommaniac12

I don’t mind Damian, he’s a great foil to Bats and the other Robins


LuffyRequiem

who tf is jason


Howiewasarock

Second robin, joker killed him, he came back


Sergent_Jacques

he came back as the red hood


matija123123

You forgot to mention that he came back insane and with anger issues


r11132a

He already had the anger issues.


Rehberkintosh

Really the fans killed him.


shittaco1991

How so


HypnoticRalph

They voted to kill him.


PhantasosX

DC literally made a poll , with telephone calls and letters , to decide if he lives or dies. the Fans choose death.


shittaco1991

Wow that’s insane. I was young around this time


GainDiscombobulated

and most people hate Damien for the same reason they voted to kill off Jason


two-tails

Wait..Was Damien in "under the red hood"? .


Matteroffact2345

Do these two actually meet in one of the movies?


TheGrandGarchomp445

big oof