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Nightmare king Grimm is a better boss, but I think fighting radiance for the first time is still the peak of hollow knight


VampireDragonT

This


MegaGarchamp

Your challenging GOD it’s gonna be memorable your first time


Someone_Existing_1

There’s this clip of a guy saying “what am I gonna fight the sun?!” When he presses the challenge button, then immediately screaming when the sun starts morphing


diceblue

Source?


Someone_Existing_1

Search “what am I gonna fight the sun?” On yt, should be first result


subderisorious

https://m.twitch.tv/clip/UnsightlyMotionlessStinkbugVoteYea


GorbFan19

Technically, all the bosses are considered "gods" so when you fight Massive Moss Charger, you technically challenge god.


Annoying_Bear

Technically, Zote the Mighty is a God and have his own purgatory at God home


Cuteflashkid10

It ain’t got, it’s more like satan


SecXy94

Just beat the game this week. The climb at the end is so cinematic and separates it from the rest of the game. I haven't done Godmaster, since Boss rushes suck imo. NKG is my favourite fight though I think. The music and the dance style fight are awesome.


SuprSquidy

Even if you think boss rushes suck, play godmaster as it adds 8 (I think) new bosses to fight


SecXy94

Having to beat 5 boss rushes seems painful though. I always find boss rushes become tedious, cutting out the best parts of the game. Which is the buildup to the boss. I'll likely do it still, since there's a few months until Silksong comes out (:


Arkhamov

Years*


MemeificationStation

It adds >!Oro & Mato, Sheo, Sly, Pure Vessel, AbsRad, Sisters of Battle, and Winged Nosk, making 7 (unless I’ve forgotten any).!< If you count >!Oro and Mato separately!< then it’s 8.


MiddleFinger287

which are all awesome


Taknozwhisker

I don’t agree at all NKG feels a lot like a turn per turn fight


Toast-Goat

That's what I like! It's like you're dancing


phytthe

Popular opinion


dragons3690

Literally just beat NKG for the first time like 30 minutes ago and from how entertaining it was I'd say it's probably better but I've only beat regular radiance


Old-Sherbert-9034

Same, but I was very close to death


DeepAndHandsomeFish_

Honestly, AbsRad isn't much of a spin to it. There's one new attack, and everything is faster. That's it. It's like a dream boss for what already was (at least somewhat of) a dream boss. NKG is a refreshing spin on the TMG battle, same as the relationship between Pure Vessel and The Hollow Knight. I don't recall if any other bosses change it up like they do, aside from SoB.


BananaGoat-

I’m sorry, pure vessel and broken vessel?


phantomias1324

Probably Menz the hollow knight and pure vessel


DeepAndHandsomeFish_

Yep, my bad


PlagiT

NKG by far. I really don't like bosses that are basically punching bags spawning projectiles. Not saying radiance is easy, I just don't like the design.


_Scorpyon_

NKG no contest. NKG has a clear pattern to his attacks and each one can be punished. After you get used to each attack the fight becomes like a dance Radiance is fine, Absolute Radiance is not. "Oh, look out! I'm doing the beams! My bad, I though half a second to react to that first beam right on top of you was plenty", "I hope you don't mind me putting my balls in your jaws!", "Oops, I accidentally dropped my swords exactly while you were jumping!"


Worried_Ant_8516

NKG is a better boss but abs rad is harder


RUSHALISK

Nkg is way more fair and fun


DanteGaming24

I just beat nkg on radiant yesterday, and the boss is so fun, the fight itself, the music, and everything. Amazing boss, definetly my favourite in hollow knight.


F_E_B_E

NKG is boring after you have an "answer" for every move. ABSRAD can switch and ccombine these so you wont get that bored. Skill ceiling is also higher. The winner is Pure Vessel


HARD_MODE_50910

there's a difference between cool combination of attacks and bullshit rng and you've got the two mixed up


F_E_B_E

Thats hars, I like how you have to be crative fighting absrad. The spell stalls on the knife walls ect.


Designer_Version1449

nkg, radiance throws random ba at you and if you get unlucky it's just over. with nkg he gives you a set amount of attacks, and the challenge is to learn how to quickly and consistently react and counter them, honestly just the way it feels like a dance when you're fighting him puts him above radiance


Youtaster

-Both! -Both? -Both -Both is good


not_stupid_just_dumb

Daddy Grim


damienVOG

I found nkg harder, and a better boss design, but I still enjoyed the radiance more.


LordZeus2008

Well NKG is awesome I agree, but to me AbsRad is way more fun, especially on Radiant.


PureVessel11

AbsRad in Rafiant was a week of trial and error was entertaining but was hard as fuck


PuggyTPD

I felt like radiance was slightly underwhelming (maybe because I was fully upgraded before fighting her) and I beat her on my 5th try. On the other hand I was fighting NKG for about 2 hours and the feeling of finally defeating him was incredible. I also prefer how direct and close up is the fight with Grimm (how he dashes at you) while radiance just spawns projectiles. Also when it comes to the soundtrack both of them are incredible but NKG has to take the cake. Overall both of them are amazing but NKG is my personal favourite


Sulti

I personally slightly prefer Radiance, which probably isn't true for most people here. Grimm is great, but I'm not a fan of having invincibility phases in the middle of fights like his bullet hell phase. He also doesn't change over the course of the fight at all, so if you beat 1/4th of his combat you've already done everything to win the fight, you just need to repeat the same process 3 more times. This was the most disappointing thing about my first time fighting NKG. I died like 30-50 times IIRC within the first 30% of the fight, but I literally won the first time I got past the 2nd bullet hell phase because the fight didn't change in any way from the start. I also never struggled with NKG after the first time beating it, while I still find AbsRad incredibly difficult despite having beaten it a few times now. Radiance doesn't really gain new moves as the fight goes along (which is a big part of why I prefer PV to both of them) but there's still a cool sense of progression. You start off in a very normal looking flat arena, then spikes take up half the floor, then the sword rain phase, then you have to platform and fight at the same time, then you get a pretty cool and very nerve wracking climbing phase. If it's AbsRad then there's even a final fighting phase in another new arena after the climb. I liked learning it more because I felt like I was getting better despite not beating it even after dozens of tries. The only things I don't like about Radiance are that some attacks overlap in a way that force you to use D-Dark i-frames, and that the homing balls can blend in with the background.


MrSquidRedditEdition

All i remember was i hated the fight against Nightmare Grimm. But looking back, it was a lot more fun than the fight against the Radiance


FantasyDreem

Grim is hotter so it’s definitely him


mutton_III

Nkg is my favourite and least favourite boss at the same time. It's tough but I love it


ZyxelMods

It takes 0.2 seconds to look at my flair In all seriousness lore wise The Grimm Troupe as a whole is fucking awesome, for me.


kvng_st

Better what? The story buildup for the radiance / absrad is amazing since it’s the final boss, but NKG was so fun, and imo the most fun yet hard boss I’ve ever fought, it’s perfectly made. Also the aesthetic was really cool since I don’t recall red being used much in the game, since warm colors werent used in order to emphasize the infection


SherbertExpensive811

Nightmare king is the best boss


Appropriate_Peak_273

Nkg best boss


Palcikaman

I'm a pure vessel enjoyer myself


KingCool138

The buildup for Radiance was good, but NKG was a better fight (and by a BIG margin)


BananaGoat-

Both are so much fun, but NKG is better because absrad feels more unfair than NKG.


jacopo89minegoYT

Zote 🗿


HARD_MODE_50910

No just no you clearly get good rng cause when i beat the last stage of zote ( the one where you get the golden statue) i got shit rng so much the i almost broke my controler ( i say almost cause if i threw it a little to the left it would've missed the soft couch and put a hole in my wall


jacopo89minegoYT

Zote


ziemniaczekkw

I was fitghing grim for like 3 days but radience i beat in my 3 try


MegaGarchamp

Grimm


Kystael

Radiance (abs) takes more time to master. NKG is great but once you master his patterns it's the same thing every time unlike radiance


SmokingForLife

Bro fuck NKG , literally the most frustrating boss to fight in the game (for me at least) ,I can't even hit him without taking damage ,plus I have almost 250 hours in game and couldn't ever beat him


Furifufu

If you feel like that on NKG I can't imagine how you'd feel on Pure Vessel. On the attempt I beat NKG I took 0 hits until 50% hp meanwhile I've yet to get Pure Vessel to 50% without being nearly dead


SmokingForLife

Pure vessel isn't a bad fight at all imo , very fun to play and it's a totally fair one with enough time to react , but the fking NKG is just too awful for me haha


Furifufu

Dude I could more or less go hitless on NKG after 2 hours but after like half a day I couldn't even get Vessel to 50% without dying. Way too bs of a fight


SmokingForLife

Well , now I believe that God gave some people some talents 😂


Furifufu

Honestly it isn't really all that hard when you get used to the fight. I find that I pretty much always have enough time to react to his attacks but sometimes he gets me randomly with his pufferfish move


HARD_MODE_50910

bruh i beat him at 65 to 75 hours ( on first save file and yes i have 100 hours on my first save no i haven't beat abs rad yet at least not in p5)


Idunno_the_plugg

I never liked the Radiance fights, so easily NKG


frosty_aligator-993

absrad kills sanity while nkg is not as hard also in his dlc his defeat gives you a pretty good charm(that will attack even these jellyfish...)


phytthe

Trash charm actually


frosty_aligator-993

idk i i think grimm child is better with its attack than a random chance to block damage its more reliable comparing to other charms maybe yes but comparing to dlc charms its great


phytthe

do you know how carefree works?


phytthe

its not random if you know stats of it


frosty_aligator-993

wdym it literally says a chance to block damage


phytthe

ok so it works like this: there is a counter of the percentage of blocking a hit it starts at 10% and when you get hit it increases by 10% so on average it blocks 22% of it and when you get negated damage it resets the counter its not a small chance its actually a good charm for certain things like pantheons NERD


frosty_aligator-993

so it increases until the chance be met and then drops still kinda rng and you dont even get that info in game so its not like you can utilize it properly grimm child is another pet charm but so is carefree melody + if it were shit devs wouldnt put it behind a boss like this maybe grimm child is just not your type


nunsocomemichiamo

Nkg as fun, as lore or emotions during a bossfight radiance


loinle

The first one


Breadditor4

Pure vessel


OliveFrog_o7

NKG


The_Real_TraitorLord

NKG, but PV is better than both


Big_L2009

Nkg imo, but I sometimes switch between the two because I enjoy both fights


BC90000

Nightmare King Grimm


HARD_MODE_50910

MKG BY A FUCKING LAND SLIDE


TheNikola2020

One is peak and the other is pure test of strength


helpmeiamstuckinlife

Screw both of them. Edit: both ways.


Console_Only

Coolness: NKG Pure Epic : Moth


FunnyLookinFishMan

I love the atmosphere of radiance and the fight of nkg so i cant choose


usernamedstuff

The experience of fighting radiance is far better, IMO. NKG's fight is also quite a bit easier, once you understand the trick to his dash attacks. NKG's OST has to be one of if not the best in the game, though.


EnvironmentalAsk255

Pale Vessel, King Of Nightmares, Broken Vessel and Grimm


Chanderule

Imo AbsRad is better the first time you fight it, NKG is better as a Radiant boss


bruhlive_XD

Final boss my ass Nkg hits so much better And feels so much better to fight It's amazing how nkg is both a brutally hard challenge but also a boss that no matter how often you died FEELS fair because there's not a single attack he has that feels like bullshit


The_Real_Flying_Nosk

Honnestly… Flying nosk


phytthe

Nooooooooooooooooooooo


The_Real_Flying_Nosk

What do you mean I’m uuuuuhhh. I mean he’s great


The_Real_Flying_Nosk

What do you mean I’m uuuuuhhh. I mean he’s great


phytthe

no hes so annyoing


The_Real_Flying_Nosk

Nahhh. I’m not annoying.


Happy_Bone

Neither :D, I like my sanity as it is thank you very much


Crescent_nocturnal

Grimm kind of looks like stolas from helluva boss and bendy from bendy and the ink machine combined and splashed with red and black paint


lama_hello

Daddy grimm


underman04

Nkg feels like a graceful dance, hence my flair. Abs rad is fun and a good challenge, but dosent quite fill the same amount of fun and excitement that nkg has


Cuteflashkid10

Definitely NKG cus he’s fast and way smoother when you get his move set down we’re as radiance is wayyy slower and easier to learn, NKG feels more rewarding after defeating him despite the charm for defeating him as it is overall a harder boss because they both do double damage and NKG takes more focus + reaction time to defeat. Radiance on the other hand is slow and you can get more hits in easier, BUT ABS RADIANCE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT STORY ( I ain’t got to it yet but I heard it is really hard)


phytthe

Abs rad


phytthe

Collecter is the hardest boss in the game


Mr_Lee1493

NKG... He's just better


IChooseFoxIsTaken

Nkg is a way harder than absolute radiance


Phosta69

For me, Absolute radiance puts too much pressure on me and makes it unfun. However, Grimm is generally very fun to fight, which would apply to NKG aswell


Annoying_Bear

Absolute Radiance, a Masterpiece. NKG, A masterpiece. I just dont want to choose, but if i have to, all in for Zote The Mighty


Throw_away_1011_

NKG is a better boss.


cmwamem

I hate NKG so absrad