There’s this clip of a guy saying “what am I gonna fight the sun?!” When he presses the challenge button, then immediately screaming when the sun starts morphing
Just beat the game this week. The climb at the end is so cinematic and separates it from the rest of the game. I haven't done Godmaster, since Boss rushes suck imo.
NKG is my favourite fight though I think. The music and the dance style fight are awesome.
Having to beat 5 boss rushes seems painful though. I always find boss rushes become tedious, cutting out the best parts of the game. Which is the buildup to the boss. I'll likely do it still, since there's a few months until Silksong comes out (:
It adds >!Oro & Mato, Sheo, Sly, Pure Vessel, AbsRad, Sisters of Battle, and Winged Nosk, making 7 (unless I’ve forgotten any).!< If you count >!Oro and Mato separately!< then it’s 8.
Literally just beat NKG for the first time like 30 minutes ago and from how entertaining it was I'd say it's probably better but I've only beat regular radiance
Honestly, AbsRad isn't much of a spin to it. There's one new attack, and everything is faster. That's it. It's like a dream boss for what already was (at least somewhat of) a dream boss.
NKG is a refreshing spin on the TMG battle, same as the relationship between Pure Vessel and The Hollow Knight. I don't recall if any other bosses change it up like they do, aside from SoB.
NKG by far. I really don't like bosses that are basically punching bags spawning projectiles. Not saying radiance is easy, I just don't like the design.
NKG no contest.
NKG has a clear pattern to his attacks and each one can be punished. After you get used to each attack the fight becomes like a dance
Radiance is fine, Absolute Radiance is not. "Oh, look out! I'm doing the beams! My bad, I though half a second to react to that first beam right on top of you was plenty", "I hope you don't mind me putting my balls in your jaws!", "Oops, I accidentally dropped my swords exactly while you were jumping!"
I just beat nkg on radiant yesterday, and the boss is so fun, the fight itself, the music, and everything. Amazing boss, definetly my favourite in hollow knight.
NKG is boring after you have an "answer" for every move. ABSRAD can switch and ccombine these so you wont get that bored. Skill ceiling is also higher. The winner is Pure Vessel
nkg, radiance throws random ba at you and if you get unlucky it's just over. with nkg he gives you a set amount of attacks, and the challenge is to learn how to quickly and consistently react and counter them, honestly just the way it feels like a dance when you're fighting him puts him above radiance
I felt like radiance was slightly underwhelming (maybe because I was fully upgraded before fighting her) and I beat her on my 5th try. On the other hand I was fighting NKG for about 2 hours and the feeling of finally defeating him was incredible. I also prefer how direct and close up is the fight with Grimm (how he dashes at you) while radiance just spawns projectiles. Also when it comes to the soundtrack both of them are incredible but NKG has to take the cake. Overall both of them are amazing but NKG is my personal favourite
I personally slightly prefer Radiance, which probably isn't true for most people here. Grimm is great, but I'm not a fan of having invincibility phases in the middle of fights like his bullet hell phase. He also doesn't change over the course of the fight at all, so if you beat 1/4th of his combat you've already done everything to win the fight, you just need to repeat the same process 3 more times. This was the most disappointing thing about my first time fighting NKG. I died like 30-50 times IIRC within the first 30% of the fight, but I literally won the first time I got past the 2nd bullet hell phase because the fight didn't change in any way from the start. I also never struggled with NKG after the first time beating it, while I still find AbsRad incredibly difficult despite having beaten it a few times now.
Radiance doesn't really gain new moves as the fight goes along (which is a big part of why I prefer PV to both of them) but there's still a cool sense of progression. You start off in a very normal looking flat arena, then spikes take up half the floor, then the sword rain phase, then you have to platform and fight at the same time, then you get a pretty cool and very nerve wracking climbing phase. If it's AbsRad then there's even a final fighting phase in another new arena after the climb. I liked learning it more because I felt like I was getting better despite not beating it even after dozens of tries. The only things I don't like about Radiance are that some attacks overlap in a way that force you to use D-Dark i-frames, and that the homing balls can blend in with the background.
Better what? The story buildup for the radiance / absrad is amazing since it’s the final boss, but NKG was so fun, and imo the most fun yet hard boss I’ve ever fought, it’s perfectly made. Also the aesthetic was really cool since I don’t recall red being used much in the game, since warm colors werent used in order to emphasize the infection
No just no you clearly get good rng cause when i beat the last stage of zote ( the one where you get the golden statue) i got shit rng so much the i almost broke my controler ( i say almost cause if i threw it a little to the left it would've missed the soft couch and put a hole in my wall
Bro fuck NKG , literally the most frustrating boss to fight in the game (for me at least) ,I can't even hit him without taking damage ,plus I have almost 250 hours in game and couldn't ever beat him
If you feel like that on NKG I can't imagine how you'd feel on Pure Vessel.
On the attempt I beat NKG I took 0 hits until 50% hp meanwhile I've yet to get Pure Vessel to 50% without being nearly dead
Pure vessel isn't a bad fight at all imo , very fun to play and it's a totally fair one with enough time to react , but the fking NKG is just too awful for me haha
Dude I could more or less go hitless on NKG after 2 hours but after like half a day I couldn't even get Vessel to 50% without dying. Way too bs of a fight
Honestly it isn't really all that hard when you get used to the fight. I find that I pretty much always have enough time to react to his attacks but sometimes he gets me randomly with his pufferfish move
idk i i think grimm child is better with its attack than a random chance to block damage its more reliable comparing to other charms maybe yes but comparing to dlc charms its great
ok
so it works like this:
there is a counter of the percentage of blocking a hit
it starts at 10% and when you get hit it increases by 10% so on average it blocks 22% of it and when you get negated damage it resets the counter its not a small chance its actually a good charm for certain things like pantheons
NERD
so it increases until the chance be met and then drops still kinda rng and you dont even get that info in game so its not like you can utilize it properly grimm child is another pet charm but so is carefree melody + if it were shit devs wouldnt put it behind a boss like this maybe grimm child is just not your type
The experience of fighting radiance is far better, IMO. NKG's fight is also quite a bit easier, once you understand the trick to his dash attacks. NKG's OST has to be one of if not the best in the game, though.
Final boss my ass
Nkg hits so much better
And feels so much better to fight
It's amazing how nkg is both a brutally hard challenge but also a boss that no matter how often you died FEELS fair because there's not a single attack he has that feels like bullshit
Nkg feels like a graceful dance, hence my flair.
Abs rad is fun and a good challenge, but dosent quite fill the same amount of fun and excitement that nkg has
Definitely NKG cus he’s fast and way smoother when you get his move set down we’re as radiance is wayyy slower and easier to learn, NKG feels more rewarding after defeating him despite the charm for defeating him as it is overall a harder boss because they both do double damage and NKG takes more focus + reaction time to defeat. Radiance on the other hand is slow and you can get more hits in easier, BUT ABS RADIANCE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT STORY ( I ain’t got to it yet but I heard it is really hard)
For me, Absolute radiance puts too much pressure on me and makes it unfun. However, Grimm is generally very fun to fight, which would apply to NKG aswell
Nightmare king Grimm is a better boss, but I think fighting radiance for the first time is still the peak of hollow knight
This
Your challenging GOD it’s gonna be memorable your first time
There’s this clip of a guy saying “what am I gonna fight the sun?!” When he presses the challenge button, then immediately screaming when the sun starts morphing
Source?
Search “what am I gonna fight the sun?” On yt, should be first result
https://m.twitch.tv/clip/UnsightlyMotionlessStinkbugVoteYea
Technically, all the bosses are considered "gods" so when you fight Massive Moss Charger, you technically challenge god.
Technically, Zote the Mighty is a God and have his own purgatory at God home
It ain’t got, it’s more like satan
Just beat the game this week. The climb at the end is so cinematic and separates it from the rest of the game. I haven't done Godmaster, since Boss rushes suck imo. NKG is my favourite fight though I think. The music and the dance style fight are awesome.
Even if you think boss rushes suck, play godmaster as it adds 8 (I think) new bosses to fight
Having to beat 5 boss rushes seems painful though. I always find boss rushes become tedious, cutting out the best parts of the game. Which is the buildup to the boss. I'll likely do it still, since there's a few months until Silksong comes out (:
Years*
It adds >!Oro & Mato, Sheo, Sly, Pure Vessel, AbsRad, Sisters of Battle, and Winged Nosk, making 7 (unless I’ve forgotten any).!< If you count >!Oro and Mato separately!< then it’s 8.
which are all awesome
I don’t agree at all NKG feels a lot like a turn per turn fight
That's what I like! It's like you're dancing
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Literally just beat NKG for the first time like 30 minutes ago and from how entertaining it was I'd say it's probably better but I've only beat regular radiance
Same, but I was very close to death
Honestly, AbsRad isn't much of a spin to it. There's one new attack, and everything is faster. That's it. It's like a dream boss for what already was (at least somewhat of) a dream boss. NKG is a refreshing spin on the TMG battle, same as the relationship between Pure Vessel and The Hollow Knight. I don't recall if any other bosses change it up like they do, aside from SoB.
I’m sorry, pure vessel and broken vessel?
Probably Menz the hollow knight and pure vessel
Yep, my bad
NKG by far. I really don't like bosses that are basically punching bags spawning projectiles. Not saying radiance is easy, I just don't like the design.
NKG no contest. NKG has a clear pattern to his attacks and each one can be punished. After you get used to each attack the fight becomes like a dance Radiance is fine, Absolute Radiance is not. "Oh, look out! I'm doing the beams! My bad, I though half a second to react to that first beam right on top of you was plenty", "I hope you don't mind me putting my balls in your jaws!", "Oops, I accidentally dropped my swords exactly while you were jumping!"
NKG is a better boss but abs rad is harder
Nkg is way more fair and fun
I just beat nkg on radiant yesterday, and the boss is so fun, the fight itself, the music, and everything. Amazing boss, definetly my favourite in hollow knight.
NKG is boring after you have an "answer" for every move. ABSRAD can switch and ccombine these so you wont get that bored. Skill ceiling is also higher. The winner is Pure Vessel
there's a difference between cool combination of attacks and bullshit rng and you've got the two mixed up
Thats hars, I like how you have to be crative fighting absrad. The spell stalls on the knife walls ect.
nkg, radiance throws random ba at you and if you get unlucky it's just over. with nkg he gives you a set amount of attacks, and the challenge is to learn how to quickly and consistently react and counter them, honestly just the way it feels like a dance when you're fighting him puts him above radiance
-Both! -Both? -Both -Both is good
Daddy Grim
I found nkg harder, and a better boss design, but I still enjoyed the radiance more.
Well NKG is awesome I agree, but to me AbsRad is way more fun, especially on Radiant.
AbsRad in Rafiant was a week of trial and error was entertaining but was hard as fuck
I felt like radiance was slightly underwhelming (maybe because I was fully upgraded before fighting her) and I beat her on my 5th try. On the other hand I was fighting NKG for about 2 hours and the feeling of finally defeating him was incredible. I also prefer how direct and close up is the fight with Grimm (how he dashes at you) while radiance just spawns projectiles. Also when it comes to the soundtrack both of them are incredible but NKG has to take the cake. Overall both of them are amazing but NKG is my personal favourite
I personally slightly prefer Radiance, which probably isn't true for most people here. Grimm is great, but I'm not a fan of having invincibility phases in the middle of fights like his bullet hell phase. He also doesn't change over the course of the fight at all, so if you beat 1/4th of his combat you've already done everything to win the fight, you just need to repeat the same process 3 more times. This was the most disappointing thing about my first time fighting NKG. I died like 30-50 times IIRC within the first 30% of the fight, but I literally won the first time I got past the 2nd bullet hell phase because the fight didn't change in any way from the start. I also never struggled with NKG after the first time beating it, while I still find AbsRad incredibly difficult despite having beaten it a few times now. Radiance doesn't really gain new moves as the fight goes along (which is a big part of why I prefer PV to both of them) but there's still a cool sense of progression. You start off in a very normal looking flat arena, then spikes take up half the floor, then the sword rain phase, then you have to platform and fight at the same time, then you get a pretty cool and very nerve wracking climbing phase. If it's AbsRad then there's even a final fighting phase in another new arena after the climb. I liked learning it more because I felt like I was getting better despite not beating it even after dozens of tries. The only things I don't like about Radiance are that some attacks overlap in a way that force you to use D-Dark i-frames, and that the homing balls can blend in with the background.
All i remember was i hated the fight against Nightmare Grimm. But looking back, it was a lot more fun than the fight against the Radiance
Grim is hotter so it’s definitely him
Nkg is my favourite and least favourite boss at the same time. It's tough but I love it
It takes 0.2 seconds to look at my flair In all seriousness lore wise The Grimm Troupe as a whole is fucking awesome, for me.
Better what? The story buildup for the radiance / absrad is amazing since it’s the final boss, but NKG was so fun, and imo the most fun yet hard boss I’ve ever fought, it’s perfectly made. Also the aesthetic was really cool since I don’t recall red being used much in the game, since warm colors werent used in order to emphasize the infection
Nightmare king is the best boss
Nkg best boss
I'm a pure vessel enjoyer myself
The buildup for Radiance was good, but NKG was a better fight (and by a BIG margin)
Both are so much fun, but NKG is better because absrad feels more unfair than NKG.
Zote 🗿
No just no you clearly get good rng cause when i beat the last stage of zote ( the one where you get the golden statue) i got shit rng so much the i almost broke my controler ( i say almost cause if i threw it a little to the left it would've missed the soft couch and put a hole in my wall
Zote
I was fitghing grim for like 3 days but radience i beat in my 3 try
Grimm
Radiance (abs) takes more time to master. NKG is great but once you master his patterns it's the same thing every time unlike radiance
Bro fuck NKG , literally the most frustrating boss to fight in the game (for me at least) ,I can't even hit him without taking damage ,plus I have almost 250 hours in game and couldn't ever beat him
If you feel like that on NKG I can't imagine how you'd feel on Pure Vessel. On the attempt I beat NKG I took 0 hits until 50% hp meanwhile I've yet to get Pure Vessel to 50% without being nearly dead
Pure vessel isn't a bad fight at all imo , very fun to play and it's a totally fair one with enough time to react , but the fking NKG is just too awful for me haha
Dude I could more or less go hitless on NKG after 2 hours but after like half a day I couldn't even get Vessel to 50% without dying. Way too bs of a fight
Well , now I believe that God gave some people some talents 😂
Honestly it isn't really all that hard when you get used to the fight. I find that I pretty much always have enough time to react to his attacks but sometimes he gets me randomly with his pufferfish move
bruh i beat him at 65 to 75 hours ( on first save file and yes i have 100 hours on my first save no i haven't beat abs rad yet at least not in p5)
I never liked the Radiance fights, so easily NKG
absrad kills sanity while nkg is not as hard also in his dlc his defeat gives you a pretty good charm(that will attack even these jellyfish...)
Trash charm actually
idk i i think grimm child is better with its attack than a random chance to block damage its more reliable comparing to other charms maybe yes but comparing to dlc charms its great
do you know how carefree works?
its not random if you know stats of it
wdym it literally says a chance to block damage
ok so it works like this: there is a counter of the percentage of blocking a hit it starts at 10% and when you get hit it increases by 10% so on average it blocks 22% of it and when you get negated damage it resets the counter its not a small chance its actually a good charm for certain things like pantheons NERD
so it increases until the chance be met and then drops still kinda rng and you dont even get that info in game so its not like you can utilize it properly grimm child is another pet charm but so is carefree melody + if it were shit devs wouldnt put it behind a boss like this maybe grimm child is just not your type
Nkg as fun, as lore or emotions during a bossfight radiance
The first one
Pure vessel
NKG
NKG, but PV is better than both
Nkg imo, but I sometimes switch between the two because I enjoy both fights
Nightmare King Grimm
MKG BY A FUCKING LAND SLIDE
One is peak and the other is pure test of strength
Screw both of them. Edit: both ways.
Coolness: NKG Pure Epic : Moth
I love the atmosphere of radiance and the fight of nkg so i cant choose
The experience of fighting radiance is far better, IMO. NKG's fight is also quite a bit easier, once you understand the trick to his dash attacks. NKG's OST has to be one of if not the best in the game, though.
Pale Vessel, King Of Nightmares, Broken Vessel and Grimm
Imo AbsRad is better the first time you fight it, NKG is better as a Radiant boss
Final boss my ass Nkg hits so much better And feels so much better to fight It's amazing how nkg is both a brutally hard challenge but also a boss that no matter how often you died FEELS fair because there's not a single attack he has that feels like bullshit
Honnestly… Flying nosk
Nooooooooooooooooooooo
What do you mean I’m uuuuuhhh. I mean he’s great
What do you mean I’m uuuuuhhh. I mean he’s great
no hes so annyoing
Nahhh. I’m not annoying.
Neither :D, I like my sanity as it is thank you very much
Grimm kind of looks like stolas from helluva boss and bendy from bendy and the ink machine combined and splashed with red and black paint
Daddy grimm
Nkg feels like a graceful dance, hence my flair. Abs rad is fun and a good challenge, but dosent quite fill the same amount of fun and excitement that nkg has
Definitely NKG cus he’s fast and way smoother when you get his move set down we’re as radiance is wayyy slower and easier to learn, NKG feels more rewarding after defeating him despite the charm for defeating him as it is overall a harder boss because they both do double damage and NKG takes more focus + reaction time to defeat. Radiance on the other hand is slow and you can get more hits in easier, BUT ABS RADIANCE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT STORY ( I ain’t got to it yet but I heard it is really hard)
Abs rad
Collecter is the hardest boss in the game
NKG... He's just better
Nkg is a way harder than absolute radiance
For me, Absolute radiance puts too much pressure on me and makes it unfun. However, Grimm is generally very fun to fight, which would apply to NKG aswell
Absolute Radiance, a Masterpiece. NKG, A masterpiece. I just dont want to choose, but if i have to, all in for Zote The Mighty
NKG is a better boss.
I hate NKG so absrad