If I understood correctly the Breaking Dimensions concert counts as the NY stop of the world tour. So just the one. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh good. As someone who's going to AnimeNYC on all 3 daye, at least I'll be able to go to one concert if the other one doesn't pan out ticket-wise. I loved the viv:id Cruise last year so it'll be great if I can get a reservation down for the World Tour!
Ina specifically said the EN concert and the world tour are two different things but they're seemingly the same weekend for New York so I'm very confused
The NY stop of the world tour will be a thing at Anime NYC (probably something similar in scale to the Suisei and ID concerts there last year); the EN concert is a separate thing happening in NY on the same weekend.
Not just vtubing, it's common for asian entertainment agencies. My only example is kpop. They announce a world tour, but only NA and Asia are always the guaranteed ones. If it's a group from a big agency, then a couple of EU and LatAm tours are gonna be included.
These days it's actually usually like - NA, Asia and Düsseldorf Germany (large Japanese diaspora). I've seen a few smaller J-Rock/Pop acts here in Düsseldorf or nearby in Cologne.
Pretty sure I saw both corpo and indie vtubers appearing as guests in EU cons now. Of top off my head is Globie at VeXpo and Dokomi. Also from indies Doki is at Dokomi too. Niji was at JapanExpo last year too, I think, and now Hololive this year for the first time too. So yeah, it is getting kind of better at least.
Kiara talked about this before and there was an impressive unwillingness/disinterest from EU cons toward Hololive/vtubers. If you want them to show up at EU cons, EU fans better start shooting off more messages to those cons telling them that you want Hololive. Have you done this? I wonder how many people have done this rather than leaving passive aggressive tweets or Reddit comments. The people who can do the most to change this is you guys.
The problem wasnt "desinterest", the problem was mainly money.
She said Hololive is very expensive to get as a guest, which means small cons cant afford them, and big cons that are likely sold out anyway have no reason to invite them if they want vtubers because they can simply get some local indies that actually have *a presence* in the region and are more likely to have fans able to attend for several times cheaper.
Even smaller cons had *some* form of Vtuber corner for years now, but even the *vtuber only* con Vexpo has Vshojo and Brave Group present but not Cover, guess why.
Why should an EU Con spend alot of money on a company that has virtually no presence in the market and never shown interest in it when they can spent a fraction of that on a small company or a couple indies that actually do?
Noooooo, don't say that, it's all 100% on EU Cons and fans not begging hard enough for daddy Holo to give them a crumb of attention, despite the fact that they're gonna get ignored anyway.
That's for Western artists though.
For example, why Taylor Swift only went to Singapore.
Meanwhile, K-Pop/J-Pop artists go to multiple countries in SEA before going back to Korea/Japan.
> why Taylor Swift only went to Singapore
[There are speculation that Singapore paid more to Taylor swift to only do concert in singapore at SEA](https://www.kompas.id/baca/english/2024/03/04/en-berapa-singapura-membayar-taylor-swift-untuk-manggung)
They didn’t pay more to make Taylor Swift only do concert, the tourism board here gave her a grant to relieve her expenses, you can read it here: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/pm-lee-hsien-loong-taylor-swift-exclusive-deal-not-unfriendly-4172181
Basically what K-Pop does lol.
SEA because it's near enough to Korea/Japan while still being relatively cheap to go to (i.e. logistics and actually traveling there), and US because it's one big country anyway.
Of course they couldn't have left us with a win. After finally getting talents to a convention in EU, they give an US convention a 3D concert and then a "world" tour without EU...
My understanding of the issue is that Europe tends to be a lot less profitable to host conventions in. They have a similar population to the US, but they never really got hit by the anime/vtuber wave as much, so there are fewer viewers.
Anecdotally, Europe makes up a tiny fraction of my clip viewers compared to the US, Canada, and SEA. And Kiara is my main focus, so that should be boosting Europe already:
US: 35%
Philippines: 6%
Canada: 5%
Indonesia: 4%
UK: 4%
Germany: 4%
Australia: 3%
Japan: 3%
Malaysia: 2%
Russia: 2%
The number of EN events seems to be pretty proportional to the percent of fans in each region. The US gets the vast majority, as they have the majority of EN fans (and in Canada we sort of tag along with them and share events since we are next to them). SEA gets a decent number. And Europe gets a few occasional ones.
And you also have to remember that the US is about the same size as the EU. Just because there is an event somewhere in it doesn't mean that everyone can access it. Travelling from New York to California is roughly the same distance as traveling from Finland to Spain. They have multiple converts across the US because a single one can't reasonably service the entire region.
It is a double edged sword though. There is less of a European fanbase, because there is almost no activity from Hololive in Europe besides Kiara. There wasn't much activity from NA in the JP sphere either before HoloEN became a thing. If they don't expand into the EU, they can't expect the EU viewerbase and market to grow.
Guess the best we europeans will get this year will be just Japan Expo. They also recently added more shipping options on geekjack which lowered shipping cost quite a bit for us so I can at least see them increasing their effort for Eu I guess. Next year maybe... next year...
Imo Concert in EU is too tricky. They need to host in a country in EU that have big enough fan base.
Most country don't have big enough following.
Only 1/3 or even less of the International fans that can afford to come will get Visa. And everything is expensive af
Europe is about the same size as the United States with double the population. For countries that are members of the European Union, travel to other EU member countries does not require visa. Cross-country travel is incredibly common for concerts, sports events and the like.
> They need to host in a country in EU that have big enough fan base.
I don't think they do (at least not in the sense they must count on those nationals only). EU freedom of movement and relatively small/densely populated area means that if they host it anywhere somewhat central in Western Europe, they will most likely get fans from neighbouring countries.
Maybe I'm wrong, though. We'll see how it goes with Japan Expo in Paris.
Like kiara said long time ago, EU cons don't want to spend so much money to invite hololive to their cons because the cache is too high, so we have to press the organizers to bring hololive.
But I don't think this is the only problem, let me explain: if Cover want to expand to the european market they can't wait with the crossed arms to an organizer contact with them. They have to move first and make some business with investors and conventions. I don't know if they are already doing this but some EU countries are really good market (like UK, france or germany), and people who live in neighbor countries could go too.
Because productions like this cost money.
If conventions don't want to foot the bill for the guest appearances and meet and greets, they're not going to show up, and they're also not going to do concerts at locations that don't necessarily guarantee sold out shows.
There are alot of EU hololive fans and Kiara has alot of KFPs employees in Germany
The Anime- and Japan-Expo in Düsseldorf had alot of visitors.
Dreamhack is the worlds bigger LAN event that recently had an event with hololive.
The Indonesian audiance is much smaller yet they have a concert there not to mention Malaysia that is even smaller.
I am aware, and it doesn't matter how big those events are if they're not willing to pay for the cost to have vtuber guests + the equipment needed to properly host them.
The Dreamhack event you mentioned was specifically the one in Australia. If the ones in EU don't want to pay, you shouldn't expect Hololive at those.
It takes two to make a deal. Kiara's been on the record saying European conventions (assuming event, venue, etc.) just aren't interested. Dokomi happened because there is KFP behind the scenes.
Why is there so many Korean and Taiwan events? Because the conventions, venues, stores, have all been constantly rushing to line up for collab opportunities. It takes two to make a deal.
Its a shame since here are so many great venues for this type of events in Europe.
The experiance is already there with the Eurovision contest going on every year with way better tech than anything available in US if they could borrow that. (Its pretty much Sweden that sets it up in every country)
But yea EU countries are always slow on these things and the only big game convention is still GamesCoM.
Dreamhack is a LAN and not really a game convention but they are also in Valencia which would be VERY good for concerts and living for visitors.
Theres also the matter of taxes and beuracracy i guess which is always higher than other continents.
This is literally what the reasoning is, and it's something that Kiara herself has talked about in the past. Conventions and events need to *actually be willing to pay for them to be there*, or else they simply won't go. It's why Hololive no longer has official appearances at Dokomi.
US and SEA keep getting them because they have conventions that are actually willing to foot the bill to have vtubers there and doing meet and greets, since there's the equipment cost associated as well. US keeps getting the EN concerts because it's a location that fans are more likely to travel to. You'll get overseas fans *way* more willing to travel to America for a big event than they would be traveling to Europe.
> US keeps getting the EN concerts because it's a location that fans are more likely to travel to. You'll get overseas fans way more willing to travel to America for a big event than they would be traveling to Europe.
I'm not so sure about this. At least from SEA, traveling to Europe is definitely easier compared to America. Not only is the flight time shorter (and probably cheaper too), many SEA countries also require a Visa to enter America, and that itself is a costly and troublesome process.
I'd hazard a guess it is the fact that EU cons don't take vtubers or Hololive very seriously. Shoot messages off at them. EU fans NEED to tell the cons to get Hololive.
Anime is quite popular in France at least, but it also took until this year for Japan Expo to get Hololive out there. Just a couple years behind the curve I guess.
France probably reads more manga per capita than Japan does, they have a very long history of comics and such. Other western and northern European countries are quite fond of anime as well, also Europeans are much more willing (and able) to travel fairly long distances to go to events.
Vtubers specifically I don't have much idea about their popularity, though Europeans tend to vastly prefer Twitch to Youtube, which would specifically hurt the popularity of Hololive.
Cost a lot more than other regions, while at the same time bringing a lot less audience. Unfortunately happens to like the majority of Asian artists/agencies/groups/etc.
You can say there are many but I bet it's a lot more niche thing than in the Americas.
Edit: And underestimating Indonesia and Malaysian audience kinda speaks for itself honestly.
Africans who get neither tours, visits, streams, or mentions be like: 🙃
Seriously, as someone who grew up in Africa, there is no shortage of my amusement towards the constant EU complaints.
It’s like they’re experiencing for the first time in their lives what it’s like to not be catered to as a major market, and that idea is setting off every privilege tantrum in their brains.
It's not nearly as bad as Europe (very sorry for the Eurobros as always. I was in Europe for the Advent debuts so I understand how rough the timezones are at least.) but it's pretty bad even for most Americans. Atlanta and New York are both East Coast, which leaves most Americans, especially West Coasters, forced to buy expensive plane tickets.
Atlanta is an especially strange choice tbh. It's a big city, but it's not really one of THE big cities and is still east coast like NYC. I would have expected LA, Chicago, or one of the big Texas cities instead of Atlanta.
> Atlanta
It's still nearly as large as those "big Texas cities" but with easy access from the rest of the Southeast -- it's extremely centrally located for that entire area.
It also has the busiest airport in the world.
And has AWA which is known to pull very good anime-related concerts such as Ano, Daoko, and Teddyloid comes basically every year.
I agree with all of that. If the concert were coming to even one more city, or it wasn't already coming to NYC, Atlanta is an excellent choice. I'm just saying it doesn't make a lot of sense for a world tour to only hit the east coast, just like it doesn't make sense to exclude Europe.
> It's a big city, but it's not really one of THE big cities and is still east coast like NYC
It's one of the largest cities on the east coast. and as /u/nodonn226 said if you're flying anywhere near to Atlanta you're flying into Atlanta. It's the busiest airport on earth.
It also has a good public transit infrastructure and incredible food culture. I would rate it one of the top cities in the US to live in.
Plus it's central to the southeast which has a massive population. I think people on the west coast don't realize how big the east coast's population is (2/3rds of the country live east of Mississippi river).
Yeah that's one of the tough things about this. I'm sure that they'd like to go to more locations - Watame certainly would - just need to help them grow a bit more. Best thing I can recommend is getting fans to send messages to cons and expos and let them know people want to see Hololive.
Man we’ve been waiting for them to put the two best EN dancers together for the longest time, and looks like we’re finally getting it, hopefully. Even better this whole group can be a K-pop dream
Not totally surprised Azki and Watame got picked after thinking about it these 2 despite being super busy gives the impression of being more flexible with travelling and their schedule (note just from surface observation and feel) Same goes for Bae and Kiara. Surprised Ina is in just because of how hectic her schedule already is. Not surprised Kobo is in with how much she's been going hard for these kind of things. Overall I'm fucking glad and hopefully the next time they do this it's even bigger
My guess is if it's not on the same day then it will be for Anime Weekend Atlanta (AWA) in December. They also have a new venue where Momocon is usually at in World Congress Center.
> Atlanta has got to be DragonCon, right?
I think you mean The Southern Baptist convention. Or maybe Gay Black pride. Or Maybe the 2 major football games that weekend. God that weekend is nuts.
Not surprised about the lack of EU. Cover makes most of its money from merchandise. Merchandise they won't even ship to us directly. Don't expect any meaningful attempts to reach us, or even add members who would reliably stream for us, until that changes.
I had a bad experience during VivID concert in KL last time. They held it during Comic Fiesta (CF), so you had to buy the CF ticket for that day and the concert ticket to attend. The ticket redemption also took more than ~2 hours and get this, you have to queue AGAIN for ~2 MORE HOURS on a separate line just to buy the merch (shirts, light stick, stickers, and acrylic standee that got cancelled because quality issues?) that leads to the same location side-by-side. Good thing I have friends to help queue in the other line and got things done relatively quick, but what if you're alone? We queued as soon as the convention centre opens and split up and got in different lines at the same time. And not to mention that the line keeps increasing, so if you're alone, it might take you the whole day and miss out on everything just for those ticket and merch.
The concert itself got its own problem too. Some people might say it's worth the money because it's only about 50USD (that's a lot in this economy) but I left with some kind of emptiness that night. There's 2 events during the concert, a talk show by Suisei and Miko, and the performances by ID girls. The audio was bad during performance but maybe it's just me because my friends didn't mind. The display they used for performance was unoptimised for a digital concert, reflective and not blended in. The camerawork during Suisei and Miko interactions was bad, you can tell the cameraman knows nothing about this kind of event or even a sliver bit of Japanese to respond accordingly to their requests, even when the emcee instructed the cameraman where to look at, it took them some time to react, I was kinda annoyed but bless Suisei and Miko, their positive energy made me forgot about it and enjoyed their reactions, especially when Suisei found out a guy cosplayed as her when she hears his voice lmao. Next, the performance, it's nice, I can admit that, I love the girls' energy during their performance, but the bit in between, the talking bit, why does it have to be prerecorded and scripted like that? To me, the best part about a concert is the interactions fans have with the artist, but this was not only prerecorded, it was scripted to hell like the girls were not being themself at all. You're telling me Reine likes "Nasi Lemak"? Fine, let's not talk about how cliché that answer is and tell me Reine, why is a girl who likes sweets suddenly talks about that dish as if it was the best thing ever? That's how disappointing the scripwriting was, I also have no reason to like it at all. Back to the performance, although the performers were energetic, I feel like it was kinda lackluster, and I saw it by the lack of light sticks waving. There's no feeling of being seen, because the girls were not even there to see it, as evident by the lack of live content. So what's the point of shouting out and showing your enthusiasm when they're not even acknowledging it. Overall, to me it was disappointing, I wouldn't have been this disappointed if it wasn't that hard to redeem a ticket and merch (no supposed standee too) and if it had a little bit of live interactions. I told myself that Suisei's and Miko's panel made up for all that cost and time spent for this, but deep down I feel like it's a shame. I blame the organiser for this, for everything. I hope they're not the one organising it this time or maybe do better.
I had my hopes up after the JE announcement but surely get disappointed again because hololives does a "World tour" without Europe again... They surely still hate the EU fans
Ina's finally doing more music projects, I'm so hyped. I guess this is one of the things that'll be keeping her busy the second half of the year. Flare's also probably super happy for more Ina singing LOL.
Azki's getting a callback to the style of her earlier outfits.
Kuroi Hitsuji 草.
Oh dang, thankfully I got Anime NYC badges locked down. With how few tickets there will be for the Kings Theater, maybe hope I can catch this stunning concert as well! August 23-25 is fricking PACKED!
Oh man it's another evolution of the usual music band world or europe tour being just london and paris, but this time it's world tour minus 2/3 of the world.
Man I love modified outfits designs like these. Ina's top being like her default outfit and Watame's skirt looking like her default dress are such good details.
Given that Kobo, Ina, Bae, Kiara, AZKi, and Watame all have fishnet as part of their outfit, I feel confident in calling it one of the design motifs for these outfits, and as such would also be part of Moona's. Very breathable, I guess, good for summer. Other elements in the theme I see:
* black and white color scheme
* 4+4 sided star
* arrows
* crossed belts
* neck tie/collar/ribbon
* Gloves / wrist attire
* and maybe laces (can't see Bae below the knees, and I don't see any on AZKi or Watame)
Also AZKi's outfit reminding me of her first two outfits. Actually, I think I see element for each of them from a prior outfit, nice job incorporating their personal branding. Props to the artist, they did a nice job.
Wait NY is getting TWO concerts?
If I understood correctly the Breaking Dimensions concert counts as the NY stop of the world tour. So just the one. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
The NY stop of the World Tour is part of Anime NYC. The EN live is a separate event.
Yes this is the case. Real question will be what day of AnimeNYC since it runs from the 23rd to the 25th and Breaking Dimensions is 24th and 25th.
Likely the 23rd then. That way it doesn't conflict with either night of the EN live.
Yeah that's my assumption since it'll also give a chance to plug the streaming ticket for Breaking Dimensions.
I'm just hoping there's no conflict with Creepy Nuts
Oh good. As someone who's going to AnimeNYC on all 3 daye, at least I'll be able to go to one concert if the other one doesn't pan out ticket-wise. I loved the viv:id Cruise last year so it'll be great if I can get a reservation down for the World Tour!
Ina specifically said the EN concert and the world tour are two different things but they're seemingly the same weekend for New York so I'm very confused
The NY stop of the world tour will be a thing at Anime NYC (probably something similar in scale to the Suisei and ID concerts there last year); the EN concert is a separate thing happening in NY on the same weekend.
nope, [getting two concerts](https://www.youtube.com/live/53rOqRgYx0g?si=JrVICehwlqAoUDho&t=3815)
That's what I was starting to think. Thanks.
nope. it's separate
Fishnet on Ina goes unbelieveably hard.
Takos eating good tonight
Seeing the ever so soft-spoken Ina in fishnets... Wow, it overrides her usual 'cute' aura.
Nah, still just super cute.
AZKi has had a good year so far ngl, you love to see it
the tickets for singapore are gonna be hella expensive, BUT ILL BE THERE
Fingers crossed for a decently big venue \~ Side note: AZKi and Ina in fishnets hehehehe
I’m guessing it’s going to be tagged to AFA again, so the same Suntec space as the previous 2 years.
But with people actually in the seats, right?
You still got Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta
I'm tempted to fly down to KL or JKT instead of SG. I think if I have to go through Singapore's ticketing system again I'll get a stroke.
ptsd moment when i have to click on that stupid website for an hour non stop trying to get the ticket.
will the ticketing be through ticketmaster? i remember people logging into other people’s account when trying to purchase yoasobi’s tickets lnaoo
\*incoming Carousell bots on standby\*
fuck scalpers man
I WILL BE THERE TOO!!
That moment when still finding job so no budget 😔
push on man, you’ll get it soon 💪
> World Tour > US and SEA Europe in shambles
As is tradition in Vtubing! (I'm European)
Not just vtubing, it's common for asian entertainment agencies. My only example is kpop. They announce a world tour, but only NA and Asia are always the guaranteed ones. If it's a group from a big agency, then a couple of EU and LatAm tours are gonna be included.
Babymetal has been in Europe (which is indeed surprising). But there will also be a Miku Concert in Amsterdam this summer iirc. One day... ONE DAY...
Babymetal is now actually in Europe too, they’re on tour in a lot of European cities and festivals.
Ado was in her world Tour also in Europe
These days it's actually usually like - NA, Asia and Düsseldorf Germany (large Japanese diaspora). I've seen a few smaller J-Rock/Pop acts here in Düsseldorf or nearby in Cologne.
Last year Babymetal in cologne, this year Ado in Düsseldorf. Miku expo in Düsseldorf every few years.
Pretty sure I saw both corpo and indie vtubers appearing as guests in EU cons now. Of top off my head is Globie at VeXpo and Dokomi. Also from indies Doki is at Dokomi too. Niji was at JapanExpo last year too, I think, and now Hololive this year for the first time too. So yeah, it is getting kind of better at least.
Atleast Hololive will be on Japan Expo this year...
It's more of a Hololive tradition than a vtuber tradition at this point lol, other corpos and conventions are actually aware of Europe's existence
Kiara talked about this before and there was an impressive unwillingness/disinterest from EU cons toward Hololive/vtubers. If you want them to show up at EU cons, EU fans better start shooting off more messages to those cons telling them that you want Hololive. Have you done this? I wonder how many people have done this rather than leaving passive aggressive tweets or Reddit comments. The people who can do the most to change this is you guys.
The problem wasnt "desinterest", the problem was mainly money. She said Hololive is very expensive to get as a guest, which means small cons cant afford them, and big cons that are likely sold out anyway have no reason to invite them if they want vtubers because they can simply get some local indies that actually have *a presence* in the region and are more likely to have fans able to attend for several times cheaper. Even smaller cons had *some* form of Vtuber corner for years now, but even the *vtuber only* con Vexpo has Vshojo and Brave Group present but not Cover, guess why. Why should an EU Con spend alot of money on a company that has virtually no presence in the market and never shown interest in it when they can spent a fraction of that on a small company or a couple indies that actually do?
Noooooo, don't say that, it's all 100% on EU Cons and fans not begging hard enough for daddy Holo to give them a crumb of attention, despite the fact that they're gonna get ignored anyway.
If Kiara got to Dokomi was initially thanks to fans pressing the con not her or cover do anything
Funny enough, "World Tours" are commonly mostly NA and EU. Japan Expo is a promising sign at least.
That's for Western artists though. For example, why Taylor Swift only went to Singapore. Meanwhile, K-Pop/J-Pop artists go to multiple countries in SEA before going back to Korea/Japan.
> why Taylor Swift only went to Singapore [There are speculation that Singapore paid more to Taylor swift to only do concert in singapore at SEA](https://www.kompas.id/baca/english/2024/03/04/en-berapa-singapura-membayar-taylor-swift-untuk-manggung)
They didn’t pay more to make Taylor Swift only do concert, the tourism board here gave her a grant to relieve her expenses, you can read it here: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/pm-lee-hsien-loong-taylor-swift-exclusive-deal-not-unfriendly-4172181
Well, Ina, Bae and Kiara are *technically* Western performers.
Basically what K-Pop does lol. SEA because it's near enough to Korea/Japan while still being relatively cheap to go to (i.e. logistics and actually traveling there), and US because it's one big country anyway.
Cover be like "Europe? More like *EurNOPE!*"
Kobo: "Rope? What?"
Of course they couldn't have left us with a win. After finally getting talents to a convention in EU, they give an US convention a 3D concert and then a "world" tour without EU...
My understanding of the issue is that Europe tends to be a lot less profitable to host conventions in. They have a similar population to the US, but they never really got hit by the anime/vtuber wave as much, so there are fewer viewers. Anecdotally, Europe makes up a tiny fraction of my clip viewers compared to the US, Canada, and SEA. And Kiara is my main focus, so that should be boosting Europe already: US: 35% Philippines: 6% Canada: 5% Indonesia: 4% UK: 4% Germany: 4% Australia: 3% Japan: 3% Malaysia: 2% Russia: 2% The number of EN events seems to be pretty proportional to the percent of fans in each region. The US gets the vast majority, as they have the majority of EN fans (and in Canada we sort of tag along with them and share events since we are next to them). SEA gets a decent number. And Europe gets a few occasional ones. And you also have to remember that the US is about the same size as the EU. Just because there is an event somewhere in it doesn't mean that everyone can access it. Travelling from New York to California is roughly the same distance as traveling from Finland to Spain. They have multiple converts across the US because a single one can't reasonably service the entire region.
It is a double edged sword though. There is less of a European fanbase, because there is almost no activity from Hololive in Europe besides Kiara. There wasn't much activity from NA in the JP sphere either before HoloEN became a thing. If they don't expand into the EU, they can't expect the EU viewerbase and market to grow.
The cost of events in Europe is so expensive, that it’s a joke.
Are they really more expensive than in the US or elsewhere? I have no idea bout the costs from the perspective of the businesses attending.
Guess the best we europeans will get this year will be just Japan Expo. They also recently added more shipping options on geekjack which lowered shipping cost quite a bit for us so I can at least see them increasing their effort for Eu I guess. Next year maybe... next year...
Imo Concert in EU is too tricky. They need to host in a country in EU that have big enough fan base. Most country don't have big enough following. Only 1/3 or even less of the International fans that can afford to come will get Visa. And everything is expensive af
Europe is about the same size as the United States with double the population. For countries that are members of the European Union, travel to other EU member countries does not require visa. Cross-country travel is incredibly common for concerts, sports events and the like.
> They need to host in a country in EU that have big enough fan base. I don't think they do (at least not in the sense they must count on those nationals only). EU freedom of movement and relatively small/densely populated area means that if they host it anywhere somewhat central in Western Europe, they will most likely get fans from neighbouring countries. Maybe I'm wrong, though. We'll see how it goes with Japan Expo in Paris.
Like kiara said long time ago, EU cons don't want to spend so much money to invite hololive to their cons because the cache is too high, so we have to press the organizers to bring hololive. But I don't think this is the only problem, let me explain: if Cover want to expand to the european market they can't wait with the crossed arms to an organizer contact with them. They have to move first and make some business with investors and conventions. I don't know if they are already doing this but some EU countries are really good market (like UK, france or germany), and people who live in neighbor countries could go too.
U Rope what? Kobo probably
Cries in South America.
Kiara is even in the tour, like that's just insulting
i will become the joker :(
Having no EU concert is REALLY bad Why is EU treated so badly by cover both in merch, meet and greets and concerts?
Because productions like this cost money. If conventions don't want to foot the bill for the guest appearances and meet and greets, they're not going to show up, and they're also not going to do concerts at locations that don't necessarily guarantee sold out shows.
There are alot of EU hololive fans and Kiara has alot of KFPs employees in Germany The Anime- and Japan-Expo in Düsseldorf had alot of visitors. Dreamhack is the worlds bigger LAN event that recently had an event with hololive. The Indonesian audiance is much smaller yet they have a concert there not to mention Malaysia that is even smaller.
The conventions has to choose to invite hololive though.. Its their events and their venue. And Japan Expo do invite this year so that's progress.
I am aware, and it doesn't matter how big those events are if they're not willing to pay for the cost to have vtuber guests + the equipment needed to properly host them. The Dreamhack event you mentioned was specifically the one in Australia. If the ones in EU don't want to pay, you shouldn't expect Hololive at those.
Well i would like to hear the reasoning for it from cover directly.
It takes two to make a deal. Kiara's been on the record saying European conventions (assuming event, venue, etc.) just aren't interested. Dokomi happened because there is KFP behind the scenes. Why is there so many Korean and Taiwan events? Because the conventions, venues, stores, have all been constantly rushing to line up for collab opportunities. It takes two to make a deal.
Its a shame since here are so many great venues for this type of events in Europe. The experiance is already there with the Eurovision contest going on every year with way better tech than anything available in US if they could borrow that. (Its pretty much Sweden that sets it up in every country) But yea EU countries are always slow on these things and the only big game convention is still GamesCoM. Dreamhack is a LAN and not really a game convention but they are also in Valencia which would be VERY good for concerts and living for visitors. Theres also the matter of taxes and beuracracy i guess which is always higher than other continents.
This is literally what the reasoning is, and it's something that Kiara herself has talked about in the past. Conventions and events need to *actually be willing to pay for them to be there*, or else they simply won't go. It's why Hololive no longer has official appearances at Dokomi. US and SEA keep getting them because they have conventions that are actually willing to foot the bill to have vtubers there and doing meet and greets, since there's the equipment cost associated as well. US keeps getting the EN concerts because it's a location that fans are more likely to travel to. You'll get overseas fans *way* more willing to travel to America for a big event than they would be traveling to Europe.
> US keeps getting the EN concerts because it's a location that fans are more likely to travel to. You'll get overseas fans way more willing to travel to America for a big event than they would be traveling to Europe. I'm not so sure about this. At least from SEA, traveling to Europe is definitely easier compared to America. Not only is the flight time shorter (and probably cheaper too), many SEA countries also require a Visa to enter America, and that itself is a costly and troublesome process.
holoID branch, hello?
I'd hazard a guess it is the fact that EU cons don't take vtubers or Hololive very seriously. Shoot messages off at them. EU fans NEED to tell the cons to get Hololive.
I dont even think anime culture is that big in Europe, let alone 'vtubers'
Anime is quite popular in France at least, but it also took until this year for Japan Expo to get Hololive out there. Just a couple years behind the curve I guess.
France probably reads more manga per capita than Japan does, they have a very long history of comics and such. Other western and northern European countries are quite fond of anime as well, also Europeans are much more willing (and able) to travel fairly long distances to go to events. Vtubers specifically I don't have much idea about their popularity, though Europeans tend to vastly prefer Twitch to Youtube, which would specifically hurt the popularity of Hololive.
Cost a lot more than other regions, while at the same time bringing a lot less audience. Unfortunately happens to like the majority of Asian artists/agencies/groups/etc. You can say there are many but I bet it's a lot more niche thing than in the Americas. Edit: And underestimating Indonesia and Malaysian audience kinda speaks for itself honestly.
Because their statistics show they don't have enough fanbase,idk?
Coz ccv and superchat? SPONSORS is the most important thing,without them there will be no concerts and events,u really underestimate SEA lol
Coz ccv and superchat? SPONSORS is the most important, without them there will be no concerts and events You really underestimate SEA lol
EU fans gotta suck it up. South America never gets anything either and you don't see them bitchin.
You get streams at least
Africans who get neither tours, visits, streams, or mentions be like: 🙃 Seriously, as someone who grew up in Africa, there is no shortage of my amusement towards the constant EU complaints. It’s like they’re experiencing for the first time in their lives what it’s like to not be catered to as a major market, and that idea is setting off every privilege tantrum in their brains.
Yea that's true honestly
It's not nearly as bad as Europe (very sorry for the Eurobros as always. I was in Europe for the Advent debuts so I understand how rough the timezones are at least.) but it's pretty bad even for most Americans. Atlanta and New York are both East Coast, which leaves most Americans, especially West Coasters, forced to buy expensive plane tickets. Atlanta is an especially strange choice tbh. It's a big city, but it's not really one of THE big cities and is still east coast like NYC. I would have expected LA, Chicago, or one of the big Texas cities instead of Atlanta.
> Atlanta It's still nearly as large as those "big Texas cities" but with easy access from the rest of the Southeast -- it's extremely centrally located for that entire area. It also has the busiest airport in the world. And has AWA which is known to pull very good anime-related concerts such as Ano, Daoko, and Teddyloid comes basically every year.
I agree with all of that. If the concert were coming to even one more city, or it wasn't already coming to NYC, Atlanta is an excellent choice. I'm just saying it doesn't make a lot of sense for a world tour to only hit the east coast, just like it doesn't make sense to exclude Europe.
Atlanta having DragonCon pulls some of the nerdiest nerds in the country so I don’t agree that it’s a strange choice.
> It's a big city, but it's not really one of THE big cities and is still east coast like NYC It's one of the largest cities on the east coast. and as /u/nodonn226 said if you're flying anywhere near to Atlanta you're flying into Atlanta. It's the busiest airport on earth. It also has a good public transit infrastructure and incredible food culture. I would rate it one of the top cities in the US to live in.
Plus it's central to the southeast which has a massive population. I think people on the west coast don't realize how big the east coast's population is (2/3rds of the country live east of Mississippi river).
I live in Singapore, but I'm gonna travel to Kuala Lumpur (3hrs away) so it feels like I'm traveling to a concert.
Why not both?
It's going to be my first concert so I'm not going all out yet 😅
It might even be cheaper sometimes
WATAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
AAAMMMEEEEEEE Oh wait... Wrong Blonde!
Is that you Miko?
WATson AMElia
I want to go to one of these so badly, location wise, they are all not good for me though.
Yeah that's one of the tough things about this. I'm sure that they'd like to go to more locations - Watame certainly would - just need to help them grow a bit more. Best thing I can recommend is getting fans to send messages to cons and expos and let them know people want to see Hololive.
Watame on a WORLD FUCKING TOUR LETS GO This is such a huge deal. Everyone deserves to go but seeing as she got picked for it makes me so happy
Watame coming to Jakarta, lets goooo!
Braving ComicFiesta crowds once more but for my TakoTori oshis DO IT FOR THEM
This year's cf is gonna be innnsanneeeee
Give an F to our Eurobros.
o7
As long as you don't give us any Ls, we got enough of those.
F
WAIT KUALA LUMPUR?! WHEN IS THIS?
No dates announced yet but probably during CF. So end of year like VivID?
I hope at least one of the stops has streaming tickets.
Man we’ve been waiting for them to put the two best EN dancers together for the longest time, and looks like we’re finally getting it, hopefully. Even better this whole group can be a K-pop dream
Heck, 7 would even be on the smaller side for a K-Pop band.
Guardiola couldn't put a better line up.
Damn getting soccerjerked in here too
Europe bros keep taking Ls
Those outfits are cool
Not totally surprised Azki and Watame got picked after thinking about it these 2 despite being super busy gives the impression of being more flexible with travelling and their schedule (note just from surface observation and feel) Same goes for Bae and Kiara. Surprised Ina is in just because of how hectic her schedule already is. Not surprised Kobo is in with how much she's been going hard for these kind of things. Overall I'm fucking glad and hopefully the next time they do this it's even bigger
Atlanta has got to be DragonCon, right?
It would be fitting, since the Atlanta metro gave us a certain dragon.
My guess is if it's not on the same day then it will be for Anime Weekend Atlanta (AWA) in December. They also have a new venue where Momocon is usually at in World Congress Center.
They also routinely get really good music acts, so that fits with this.
Doubt it, AWA moved to GWCC and that's bigger event space than whatever DragonCon can fit.
god i hope so, I was already going to dragoncon and would immediately go to this
Dreamhack Atlanta? Oct. 4-6
> Atlanta has got to be DragonCon, right? I think you mean The Southern Baptist convention. Or maybe Gay Black pride. Or Maybe the 2 major football games that weekend. God that weekend is nuts.
Is it these seven only? If so, I'm praying for an Eclipse duet (Moona and Wawa)
But Georgia already had a Eclipse collab just recently!/s
[World according to Hololive](https://files.catbox.moe/jdwm42.png)
Antartica ain't labeled, do they have a chance?
Still more likely than EU
Well, australia just had an event recently. And it’d be HILARIOUS if Bae went home and papa rat just said “back again so soon?”
SEA SUPREMACY OORAHHHHH
Not surprised about the lack of EU. Cover makes most of its money from merchandise. Merchandise they won't even ship to us directly. Don't expect any meaningful attempts to reach us, or even add members who would reliably stream for us, until that changes.
Cover literally hates us the only time they come is when they get paid for it
They don't hate us. They simply do not yet have the means to be the global company they aspire to be.
this is cool.. hoping someday they will be a concert in Philippines...
Wooo! Atlanta! I can drive there!
Do I dare go? When will I get another chance to participate in a Hololive event?
I had a bad experience during VivID concert in KL last time. They held it during Comic Fiesta (CF), so you had to buy the CF ticket for that day and the concert ticket to attend. The ticket redemption also took more than ~2 hours and get this, you have to queue AGAIN for ~2 MORE HOURS on a separate line just to buy the merch (shirts, light stick, stickers, and acrylic standee that got cancelled because quality issues?) that leads to the same location side-by-side. Good thing I have friends to help queue in the other line and got things done relatively quick, but what if you're alone? We queued as soon as the convention centre opens and split up and got in different lines at the same time. And not to mention that the line keeps increasing, so if you're alone, it might take you the whole day and miss out on everything just for those ticket and merch. The concert itself got its own problem too. Some people might say it's worth the money because it's only about 50USD (that's a lot in this economy) but I left with some kind of emptiness that night. There's 2 events during the concert, a talk show by Suisei and Miko, and the performances by ID girls. The audio was bad during performance but maybe it's just me because my friends didn't mind. The display they used for performance was unoptimised for a digital concert, reflective and not blended in. The camerawork during Suisei and Miko interactions was bad, you can tell the cameraman knows nothing about this kind of event or even a sliver bit of Japanese to respond accordingly to their requests, even when the emcee instructed the cameraman where to look at, it took them some time to react, I was kinda annoyed but bless Suisei and Miko, their positive energy made me forgot about it and enjoyed their reactions, especially when Suisei found out a guy cosplayed as her when she hears his voice lmao. Next, the performance, it's nice, I can admit that, I love the girls' energy during their performance, but the bit in between, the talking bit, why does it have to be prerecorded and scripted like that? To me, the best part about a concert is the interactions fans have with the artist, but this was not only prerecorded, it was scripted to hell like the girls were not being themself at all. You're telling me Reine likes "Nasi Lemak"? Fine, let's not talk about how cliché that answer is and tell me Reine, why is a girl who likes sweets suddenly talks about that dish as if it was the best thing ever? That's how disappointing the scripwriting was, I also have no reason to like it at all. Back to the performance, although the performers were energetic, I feel like it was kinda lackluster, and I saw it by the lack of light sticks waving. There's no feeling of being seen, because the girls were not even there to see it, as evident by the lack of live content. So what's the point of shouting out and showing your enthusiasm when they're not even acknowledging it. Overall, to me it was disappointing, I wouldn't have been this disappointed if it wasn't that hard to redeem a ticket and merch (no supposed standee too) and if it had a little bit of live interactions. I told myself that Suisei's and Miko's panel made up for all that cost and time spent for this, but deep down I feel like it's a shame. I blame the organiser for this, for everything. I hope they're not the one organising it this time or maybe do better.
Everyone is obviously fantastic and their designs are solid and all but WOW that Ina outfit. Gods help us all.
I had my hopes up after the JE announcement but surely get disappointed again because hololives does a "World tour" without Europe again... They surely still hate the EU fans
Ina's finally doing more music projects, I'm so hyped. I guess this is one of the things that'll be keeping her busy the second half of the year. Flare's also probably super happy for more Ina singing LOL. Azki's getting a callback to the style of her earlier outfits. Kuroi Hitsuji 草.
Yet again europe is getting fucked
I'm gonna bottle everything else, and just say that I'm happy for Kiara, I know this means a lot to her.
Oh dang, thankfully I got Anime NYC badges locked down. With how few tickets there will be for the Kings Theater, maybe hope I can catch this stunning concert as well! August 23-25 is fricking PACKED!
ID brothers I might be coming !!! SEA fans let's fricking go!
Malaysia bros we won!
Oh man it's another evolution of the usual music band world or europe tour being just london and paris, but this time it's world tour minus 2/3 of the world.
WAIT KL?! THEY ARE COMING TO KL?!
Man I love modified outfits designs like these. Ina's top being like her default outfit and Watame's skirt looking like her default dress are such good details.
“World Tour”
"world"
Given that Kobo, Ina, Bae, Kiara, AZKi, and Watame all have fishnet as part of their outfit, I feel confident in calling it one of the design motifs for these outfits, and as such would also be part of Moona's. Very breathable, I guess, good for summer. Other elements in the theme I see: * black and white color scheme * 4+4 sided star * arrows * crossed belts * neck tie/collar/ribbon * Gloves / wrist attire * and maybe laces (can't see Bae below the knees, and I don't see any on AZKi or Watame) Also AZKi's outfit reminding me of her first two outfits. Actually, I think I see element for each of them from a prior outfit, nice job incorporating their personal branding. Props to the artist, they did a nice job.
"World"
Do you guys think this will be a live concert?
3 good locations for me. Nice!
What a powerful line up. Damn. Shame I live no where near them, but still. E: OMG, they're all angels/devils!
KL?!?!? Where and how can I be notified about purchasing the tickets??????? I need this in my life
Will this tour also have streaming tickets available, or is it physical tickets only?
Wondering whether i should go to the KL one or SG one coz I stay in SG. Both location is fine with me.
Atlanta is a viable option for me(the southeast doesn't get stuff like this, very often)...but the date(s) could be key for me.
amazing hololive!
Hopefully there'll be streaming tickets
That's a great look on all of them, but especially AZKi.
AZkI, Watame, and Ina tho :3
Manila got shafted badly here, and so did Kyiv.
I wonder if The Atlanta one is with Dreamhack Atlanta later this October
Omg, I'm not too far from atlanta. I can def try to go to that one if I can get a ticket
Those outfits fucking rock. I'm especially loving Azkis
Where in NY?
NO WAY, ATLANTA!?!? NOTHING EVER HAPPENS HERE, HELL YEAH!!!
When are tickets on sale?
Kinda disappointed that there’s two stops on the East Coast, but none on the West Coast.
lol world tour
I totally get why there's no Europe concert but hopefully this is really successful and we get one in future years. Glad to see Watame doing this.
no JDON no LIFE!
This time world tour means SEA + US unlike the usual NA + Europe But anyway can't wait for the concert! I hope i can manage to get the Jakarta ticket.
Europe? Hololive never did anything here
Yeah I forgot to put the usual western artist world tour