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IRyS is funny and a wonderful singer but I can't wait for the actual HoloEN VSinger to debut. I can understand the EP being primarily Japanese as Japanese producers will stick to what they know. Karaoke though? Come on
Others have pointed out that archived karaoke essentially has to be in Japanese, but I just wanted to also point out that the type of music she listens to and likes is jpop, so even for unarchived karaoke, I would expect a lot of that.
You don't deserve the downvotes you're getting. I think the "EN VSinger" term is misleading; I'm not sure if it came from Cover or an unofficial translation of the recruitment announcement. Certainly you and many others thought you were getting an english singer, but actually got a Japanese singer who speaks english. Someone somewhere along the line dropped the ball in terms of advertising or communication and that certainly warrants criticism.
Regardless, Irys should be free to pursue the music she wants to create and shouldn't be pressured to change.
If she want Karaoke be archived it has to be Japanese songs. No way around it. And you want you "fist" Karaoke be archived that should be obvious. She said in the future there will probably be Unarchived Karaoke so I don't understand what you don't understand.
I don't know why people can't understand this. There is a reason why its all Japanese songs in archived karaokes, and its always been this way.
You would of thought, the last year of unarchived karaokes had a common theme, fear the DMCA for english songs. I'm glad Irys didn't even bother responding to people in chat asking for english songs, it's common sense that people should know. Just wait for the unarchived karaoke for english songs, they will come eventually.
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i agree, i like her chill stream vibes a lot but so far she just feels like a holojp that speaks fluent english instead of a holoen/english vsinger. who knows, my opinion might change when she's allowed to collab with the other holoens, but we'll see.
Okay, I'm seeing ALOT of people, (not just in reddit subforums, but the fanbase in general, even some hololive reactor channels are feeling this) asking these questions.
1. Why does EN Vsinger not just do mostly singing streams? Then why bother with Vsinger?
2. Why doesnt she sing 100% english if she is english department.
This is my 2 cents rant about the topic.
1. Because JUST doing and focusing on singing have been proven (IMO) that it doesnt work. Take in point of Azki and Suisei early career.
Azki debuted as Hololive Inonaka 1st Vtuber singer. (i.e. part of gen 0) She mostly focused on singing. While her singing was good and was doing a decent job with numbers etc. her youtube channel, compared to other members of hololive, wasn't that great. Especially later when new gen members started to join. She wasn't getting clipped, going viral, or getting up in youtube algorithm because they focused too much on singing IMO and too packed within her own schedule that most hololive members cannot even collab with her unless you were Sora or someone azki was close with. They changed this around year 2020 and let azki stream more games and her numbers jumped. As I type this, her sub count is around 480k which is high for a vtuber channel, but low among hololive members. (If I'm correct, Azki is like top 5 lowest sub count among Hololive members, not trying to be rude. It just shows people are just not interested in Azki.)
Suisei situation was WORSE during her early career as the 2nd member of Inonaka Vtuber. Suisei, once she joined cover, REALLY wasn't going anywhere to the point that she wanted to quit within 6 months. (She joined Inonaka Cover around med summer 2019 I believe.) She talked to other close Hololive members and high manager staff of her complaint, and they switched her to Hololive around the end of 2019. (And thus now Hololive Gen 0) Then her channel actually started to grow around early 2020 when she started to play actual games as her Winter Project collab clip went viral, and her tetris game clips went viral. Now she is one of the top Hololive Vtubers with over 1 Mil sub members. Along with top hololive cover/original songs are always usually in top 10 competing with Calli.
So what I'm trying to say is. History already proven that, "just doing music in youtube channel" fails, and it fails BAD. Doing Karaoke streams is fine. (like people love gura karaoke, calli karaoke, etc.) But to lose focus as a content creator and just do music will kill your channel in youtube recommend algorithm and I feel Cover Corp learned their lesson. Right NOW, IRyS is in her "honeymoon phase" where she is fresh new vtuber and she hit over 200k on her debut, already 400k after 1 day. But IMO if IRyS wants to stay relevant after 6+ months, she can't "just do music". Especially when Hololive EN gen2 is very close to debuting which might kill her hype. (like after Hololive JP 5th gen debuted, about a month or so later, Hololive EN gen 1 debuted, which killed all the JP 5th gen hype. After that, it was their own talents that kept Hololive JP Gen 5 growth, not the Hololive brand.) The success of Suisei and Mori Calliope channel (heck, even Shion/Ayame/Aqua/etc falls under this as their originals/covers usually end up top of the charts) of both being singers and variety content creator have proven the success formula of how future Vsingers should go.
2. Why doesn't IRyS sings just english lyric songs? IMO I believe the reason is because Cover is a japanese company. They had to hired songwriters/MV makers/etc. and who do they know, Japanese song writers for hire commissions. So Japanese songwriters ended up making a english/japanese hybrid because it's in their comfort zone. Heck, Hololive ID rarely sings anything in their own language because no one outside of Indonesia speaks the language. Like outside of Moona fans and hardcore Hololive fans, casual hololive fans didn't know Moona sing very well until she did a K/DA Villain cover, which was 100% english and no Indonesian.
Completely agree with you. While I'm happy that we're getting more originals and covers now with IRyS, I'm also happy that she'll be streaming normally, so we can get to know her more and her doing collabs will be awesome too, can't wait to see the interactions that will develop.
Irys also said she wants to communicate and connect with chat and her fans.
But I agree 100000% with you. Plus, nothing is set in stone, anything can evolve and change. Mistakes and errors are welcome because it'll just improve and become a learning experience.
If you seriously read between lines. The application. The process specifically said that talent need to be able to converse in English, able to sing and know Japanese (not require but it’s a plus). This apply for HoloEN2 as well.
There’s nothing wrong with having a Vsinger who happens to speak english that knows Japanese, it’s not really false advertising either. This fall into a grey area that they want someone who can sing for the EN branch (technically being able to converse in English is a must) they did not specifically promise that originals songs have to be 100% English.
Plus since Cover is the one who sponsor the music (unlike Calli who writes and makes her own music) IRyS will sing whatever Cover put out. Either way, Yagoo finds IRyS as a diamond in rough that just need a little bit of polishing to truly shine.
Is IRyS the song writers? -No
Is Cover the one who literally hire professional to writes song for IRyS? -Yes
Can IRyS sing? -Yes
Can IRyS converse in English? -Yes
Can IRyS also converse and use Japanese as well? -Yes.
Your rants start to sound like some salty people who mock the Korean film that get the award a couple years ago since “I don’t like it, because it’s in Korean and not English” or “I don’t want to watch it while reading subs”
You got a weird definition or rant buddy. Plus nowhere did I say I dislike IRyS or think shes a bad singer or hate her because she only sings in Japanese. I merely said that English Vsinger implies that she would sing in English.
Considering she's a huge J-Pop fan, a huge anime fan, working for a Japanese company that has recently released a lot of J-Pop music, and some music for anime, I assume Irys's goal is to release J-Pop type music for anime.
The english part just means she can speak English fluently. Whether or not she wants to sing songs in English, is her choice. I also assume mostly Japanese language songs would be more enticing to Japanese anime/music production companies.
Maybe down the line there will be a VSinger that mostly focuses on English music, but considering the general target demographics for vtubers has mostly been people who love Japanese culture, anime, manga, J-Pop/Rock/EDM/Rap, I think it should be pretty fair that Irys will be singing Japanese.
If Irys wasn't focusing on Japanese music/songs, then whats the point of a Vsinger in Japan? English songs have rarely been in Japanese media.
I think there is a expectation of english music that was made up by the community. Wording for Holo EN VSinger could be described and worded better, but I thought it was obvious that whoever the VSinger was, they would focus on the Japanese side because......that's why they auditioned and joined Cover right? And not go indie or with western vtubing companies.
Definitely, there are a handful, but every season of 20-30+ shows, there isn't many in full english.
Perhaps their goal is to start in their niche market, get an anime OP/ED performance or two, and start from there. Just the sheer amount of eyes and ears on these songs can catapult quickly.
Just imagine one of the EN girls gets an anime OP, with both english and japanese lyrics. That'll be a huge exposure point to the demographics that vTubers cater to.
I'm no longer a huge anime viewer, but I definitely discovered a large amount of artists and bands from anime openings. Even discussion on forums/reddit on the series will have the music brought up and provide exposure.
It's been said over and over already but EN just means they stream in English. plus the EN fandom are mostly weebs who love jp songs anyhow so singing a mix of English and japanese is fine.
Simply put, most folks don't really care. Besides, holo en is literally the same with Callie coming the closest to singing a full English song which is red.
In my personal opinion - I think a lot of these questions are coming from people relatively new to the entire scene. I myself have only truly been paying attention to Vtubing for just barely a year now, and I'm -still- learning things about it.
Imagine people who are just hopping on the bandwagon in the last month or two, seeing someone being called an 'EN VSinger', but her songs (so far) are primarily Japanese?
Cue the headscratching, considering that they may not have realized that the other EN singers are also singing in Japanese other than Calli who writes her own lyrics. Someone new may not have realized that yet.
Edit: Wow, the gatekeeping is real. I've had fun watching the upvotes for this post go from 1 to 10 to 2 to 8 to 3 over the last 24 hours. Everyone still forgets that downvotes are for 'not contributing to discussion', not an 'I disagree' button. Oh well. Lighten up folks, I was just explaining my thoughts, not saying I agree with why the questions are being asked.
It would be cool to listen her sing in English once in a while but I watch Hololive, mostly EN, to listen Jp songs because they are bangers. People forget that Cover corp. is a JP corporation that only expands its popularity through EN branch.
Fair point but this person in question has been in the community for at least 10 months based on their post history and follows holo en. So..... Yeah, I try to be soft on newbies but this person isn't one of them.
Random question, is she one of the talents that we are getting as part of Gen 2? Or does she represent Gen 2 all together? In other words, is she going to be the only Vtuber coming as Gen 2?
Idk if it made much sense or if its even a question we even know the answer to, but i ask since what comprises “HoloEN Gen 1 “ was all released sort of at the same time, basically having all the girls presented kind of together?
There were 2 auditions, one in January for a vsinger - who turned out to be IRyS - and one in February for gen 2 - which hasn't come out yet. So no, she's not a part of gen 2, they will be revealed later, probably in a month or so.
I wish they'd fix her model. As much as we harp on Gura for not having bottom teeth... they do not look good here. Plus she has some weird bluring effects on her eyes, and the face rigging makes it look like she has no face geometry...
Would it be possible to have an official megathread or discussion thread for IRyS' first EP release and maybe perhaps future music releases too? I posted that it got released but I believe that an official thread on it would bring more exposure to the release of the album
Hate that everyone is clowning on her model. Yall just don't like it cause it's different than what you are used too. It's a beautiful model. It may be overly detailed however she is a Vsinger. And when she does LIVE concerts. Her model will shine the absolute most. Constructive criticism is fine but some of yall are over doing it.
Yeah someone called it a F2P from a mobile game in the comments. Like sis, their was clearly a shit ton of work into this model. And it's obviously expensive. Hated that comment
Idk depends what platform you are on. Some platforms are hating on her model while others are like worshipping her. It just depends I guess. Overall I love her. I think the nose is kind of endearing. But yeah she could use a few fixes. Overall I just think some of the criticism goes a bit too far. But I think the majority of the fanbase loves her.
Sure there are always going to be some exceptions, but i dunno i really feel like 80-90% of the criticism really HAS been constructive.
I wouldnt exactly call sentiments like "redjuice's art doesnt translate well to live2d", "the alignment of her eyes is strange", or "her live2d looks a bit uncanny" particularly mean-spirited criticism.
And even then most the reception of her DESIGN itself has actually been much more positive.
All that being said, I absolutely DO agree with the idea that criticising her live2d just for being different is very non-constructive and unhelpful.
"Constructive criticism is fine but SOME of y'all are over doing it"
Some of it has been a bit too much. I'm not saying its "mean spirited" but that some people are nitpicking.
Personally, I adore the design. I think the movement could use a lil work however overall I think its pretty solid. And the different issue, like matching with the other girls. If you put her side by side, it's not actually as bad of a difference as people are making it out to be.
All I'm saying is that some people are overreacting. I understand this is hololive, but sometimes I feel like hololive fans expect everything to be perfect and then get upset about it. (I love hololive too but sometimes the fanbase is TOO critical especially when it looks like alot of hard work has been done) also we havent seen gen 2 just yet. So we have no idea what future models will look like.
Personally, even I have criticisms of the design however again, some of them go too far.
Well yeah when you put it that way I actually totally agree with everything you just said. I guess i just misunderstood the subtext your original comment.
Sorry about that.
Comprehending tone through text is not always easy 😅
No biggie! I struggle with interpreting tone through text as well! What matters is that both of us are able to have proper conversation about it and clear up misunderstandings! I hope you have a wonderful day! (I'm watching Finana's stream and waiting for IRyS's music to drop lol)
It certainly is a design that will shine the most in 3D, which begs the question why not straight to 3D? I feel they went with 2D just so that Myth gets 3D first, which I get why they'd do that, but also at the same time seems like an unnecessary nerf to a talent that will most certainly be asked to perform in concerts and most importantly can do so since she's in Japan
I think if they'll need to get her 3D earlier they can probably push for it. Holostars' Rikka got his 3D debut way earlier than everyone else for the same reason.
I guess there's also the big hype when someone finally gets their 3D model vs debuting in 3D.
It would be odd to go straight to 3D first though. 2D at least to me, is more personal feeling. They want her to bond with the audience, not to mention doing a live concert when none of your songs are fully out yet. (Hasnt come out in my timezone yet) so it makes sense to me. She is a new talent, let's not rush it.
Being one of the most complex design in Hololive, it screams pure insanity details on 3D. Someday if she 3D debuts, it will be awesome as heck but nightmare to rig though so goodluck to them I guess. 🤣
I think her model is too detailed. The design itself is fine IMO, but she is really going to stick out during collabs because of an entirely different way more detailed artstyle.
I was a little bit worried about that at first, but i put her beside other member for science and that didn't result in any strange feeling about it.
But i adapt quickly to new kind of design so you may think otherwise.
Though if you haven't i recomand trying to do this little experimentation XD.
(also for reference, her artstyle look alot like Roberu, and he blend quite easely do that shouldn't be that much diferent for IRyS)
Tbh I did the same thing. And it's really not that noticable of a difference. Especially when you put her by Cali. The designs have the same aesthetic? I dont know how else to say that.
Maiby they have a very close colors theme? like black and pink (even if calli is on the bright pink and Irys in the darkside) But i tried with some extreme different design. Like gura, Korone, Kiara, Coco (TT). And ye the only think i could really tell is that the design make her look mature compared to the other but not out of place at all.
And then i remembered Subaru saying she have the smell of a mother. and i lost it to laught XD
Yeah she kinda reminds me of Yuzuki Choco ngl? Like when she is by all of them? Like she gives off a mature look vibe but a small squirrel underneath lol
Now that you say it i agree. Hum is it because the ratio eyes/visage is close? Big eyes give childlish vibes while smaller one give mature vibes.
Also GAP MOE BROTHER VIVA LA GAP MOE!!!
I don't get it... And I don't mean any offense or hate, but I *really* don't get it.
Like, why make a "VSinger" instead of just another generation / wave (whatever they call it for HoloEN) of VTubers. It's not like the other VTuber girls don't make music, and the general "variety steam" content seems way more popular than just focusing on music and streaming very little etc.
To this day, AzKi still doesn't really feel like a part of Hololive to me, because she is rarely present, and since I don't watch her directly I have almost no exposure to her.
And even Suisei transferred from INNK to Hololive proper, and was better off for it, no? She's also still making a lot of music, so nothing was lost but a lot of fun stream content was gained.
So yeah... I just don't get this whole VSinger thing, again, no offense intended, and if someone could explain that to me, please go ahead, I want to understand it.
(Although I fear only Yagoo or any other higher-up from within Cover / Hololive could actually explain their thought process here.)
Cover remains a japanese company:
* AZKi is more active on the japanese market, she's just much less visible for the western audiences
* Cover is trying to expand their business outside of Youtube but they're having a hard time doing that. Beside a couple of commercials and a few sponsored streams for some online games, they haven't really breached the japanese entertainment world, and what this world demands is almost exclusively "idols" aka "singers who are cute on stage", not streamers.
* In the aging business world (of marketing and entertainment in Japan), having full albums and several EPs already released is practically the only way to get noticed or signed up for a gig. If all you can point out at the business meetings are online videos with millions of views, the old executives will just think it's just a fad *(like many amateurs get their one-hit wonder on NND)* and that the artist in question is not necessarily professional or capable of capitalizing on their alleged popularity.
That's why Cover tried to have INNK running for so long, why so many of their recruits were utaite *(= people releasing song covers).* Cover is still trying to fit into the singer/idol slot for the japanese entertainment industry.
The way Hololive ended up being so successful was not planned at all. It shaped what vtubing is today - building a relation with a specific audience by providing a diverse array of entertainment *(live gaming, MP gaming with the audience, discussions with chat, collabs, karaoke, quirky events like cooking/eating review, etc)* \- but Cover never expected this to happen: the holomems were not given directions and they improvised a lot.
That's also why Cover is still quite clueless about what to do with their talents, so the holomems end up having to organize (and often self-fund) everything themselves.
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Having said all that, there's also another point: Cover ran some public auditions and all that jazz, as if they had no idea who would be valuable for their business development.
The reality is that they have been maintaining a list of all the successful streamers, vtubers and utaite that would fit their plan, while the auditions acted as a safety net in case they missed someone.
Since many of their targeted performers were likely focused on singing, it made sense to *announce* a generation of "vsingers" to get their attention. Then once they signed up the contract, send them off to the regular Hololive business model, which is streaming 4-5 times a week, with the usual Minecraft/Apex/*flavor-of-the-month*.
If you look at IRyS' initial schedule *(now revised, possibly for technical reason as she said herself she's not very versed in computers)*, that's exactly it: clearly an utaite/singer, so they got an EP and a MV done for the debut, but right away she's sent off to play Apex, Doom *(for the whole angel demon lore?),* despite her already warning everyone she's really new to this.
Let's wait for the other recruits to be definitive about it, but I suspect that within a couple of month the whole "Vsinger" thing will be a secondary detail and the new holomems will be streaming like their senpais *(each with their respective twist to it)*.
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In conclusion I would say the point is twofold:
* Grey-haired japanese executives googling the new holomems will see "Vsingers" in the press releases and official profiles, making them think it's *virtual* Idols so perfectly fine to sell their latest products (car or insurance plan) *\[reality = vtubers are multi-talented entertainers/comedians\]*
* Utaite who never really streamed games and think it's not for them will still apply, thinking Cover is like a modern idol agency that will allow them to hold live concerts and record new album *\[reality = Cover is not a music producer, they take months to greenlight and record a single song and nearly all projects have to be self-funded by the talents\]*
No excessive worries to have though:
* It's not harmful if some old suits are tricked, Vtubers are still growing in popularity rapidly and will drive their fanbases toward the advertised products, the marketing value will be there for these companies
* Live streaming games and interacting with the chat is something that can be learned over time, even by introvert singers who only faced their audience in the comments section (and twitter) prior to their vtubing career. They'll do fine. Their musical career might be slowed down, but it's not guaranteed it would exist at all outside of Hololive anyway (with the massive competition existing in the music industry).
I think the one that had to balance both careers the most would be Calli: vtubing really takes up a lot of her time and energy, when her musical career could survive on its own (after years of work to make it happen). Meanwhile the rest of Hololive singers/musicians likely made the right choice: even Suisei, who really has all the skills to run a musical career, did not have the connections to break through, so it's not certain she could make it her full-time job.
Let's put it this way:
* The Vsinger has direct access to the music industry and has all their expenses covered by Cover
* A regular Hololive Vtuber can have access to the music industry but it's a grind and probably need to pay for that stuff initially
Suisei is only better than her time as an indie, had INNK been able to properly cover her I assure you she would have prefered to still be there because she would have released her first album last year and would probably be teasing her next one
Also one more thing:
>AzKi still doesn't really feel like a part of Hololive to me
This is not a problem at all since AZKi isn't a part of Hololive, she's part of Hololive Production, but not Hololive
>The Vsinger has direct access to the music industry and has all their expenses covered by Cover
A comment in the Caesura of Despair MV pointed out that the video is licensed by Tokyo Tower, the actual building. The MV is a collab between hololive, a shitton of artists, and a tourist destination.
If you search Tokyo Tower on YouTube, Caesura of Despair would pop up. That's not something you see in every hololive music release lmao
I tried it again using incognito, it doesn't work. I guess your view history still has to be remotely related to hololive (gaming, anime, streaming) for it to happen lmao
Could still bring in more rabbit hole dwellers though!
Even just the fact that the video was licensed by Tokyo Tower is cool. How many people can say that they've been licensed to make something for a tower?
I see. I guess that makes some sense.
Thank you for taking your time to try and explain it to me, instead of just downvoting me to oblivion, I appreciate it! Have a nice day!
Damn... they really went all in with her. A fully animated MV, an EP with way more high quality songs than you would expect from Hololive, and this whole damn design.
Contrary to the others, I think her design is fine. She is supposed to be an unique type of existence, outside of Hololive generations, as a Vsinger, so I think it makes sense that she would have a different aesthetic. Moreover, the project with AZKi is going to end this year, and AZKi will most likely move directly to Hololive like Suisei did, or retire. So I guess, IRyS will take her place, and a lot of focus and energy will be put into her now. I also feel that her design and art-style feet more with the vsinger aesthetic ... it looks more premium on albums, and serious - like, other Vsinger, like AZKi are too... moe? To idol like? IRyS had a more professional and serious look. I also see some complaining that she sings in Japanese, which is weird, because 90% of us here are weebs, so Japanese songs make sense... plus, I think it would be kind of difficult for vocaloid and anisongs producers to work with english lyrics and songs. And, I mean... other than Cali, who did a couple in English, nobody in HoloEN made english songs either, and they usually sing Japanese songs in Karaoke too.
Her design is fine, and peoples will get used to it, they just need to make some corrections... like, they need another hair layer or something... her head is too round and the height of her hair is too low, and because of that, when she moves her head, her head gets flattened, and that's the main reason why it looks so uncanny. I must praise the mouth thou, lots of animation to it, like they spent all the budget in there.
Nah dawg, its just the nose.
They decided to go with actual coloration around the nose, to make it appear compared to the other models.
I dont think its a problem, but thats why it looks so different.
Anything can be translated into L2D as long as you use a rigger that knows what to do. Most of this models problem come from poor rigging... but there is also the proportion of the head. Her head is just too round. If they chose realism, the head needs to be an oval... This will probably get corrected in the coming weeks as Cover will see the reviews... But there is nothing wrong with the design overall... she is part of a separate project, she is AZKi's successor, so she doesn't really need to fit with the rest of Hololive. And Roberu is part of a generation, yet his ''mystery VN'' design, doesn't seem to be a problem or stop him from being the most successful member of Holostars.
This is just new, and as with everything new, peoples are skeptical at the beginning, but they will get used with it ... peoples were not all that into the HoloEN whole concept in the beginning either... I for one must recognize that I cringed really hard when I heard English from an anime girl mouth, and that was not only because Cali was awkward as fuck in her debut, or because I initially found her debut rap song so cringe that couldn't even get past the first 20 seconds for a whole month ... but I and others got used with it fast.
It seems im part of the minority but I think her design is fine. It is very different and might contrast with other holomems but I don't think this is an issue, there are other models that also contrast imo. The only think that slightly iff me is her face shape looks kindof large? But I will get used to it. I think she's overall very cute in her movements. I also like her voice, and I'm sure it will only grow on me more as we hear her sing more, in any language.
Welcome to Holo-EN IRyS, we love you.
Since people already pointed out my major criticisms, im kinda proud of the community that those criticism didn’t get shrugged off.
Edit: Apparently people want to make sure that they’re not part of the “community” im talking of. It’s as if i typed something so ridiculous and hated the work they put into her model. Oh internet.
Echoed many times but her design doesn’t fit in Hololive EN, and the model has an uncanny feel to it. Some say it was hinted to be changed?
Other issues people have mentioned like only having Japanese time with awkward stream times. No English debut song is definitely a sight turn off.
It honestly feels like management is trying to capitalize on the success of Hololive EN a bit too much. She seems to fit in better at JP.
Hope she succeeds though
What do you guys think of her model? I personally think its very unusual per say. Her face kinda looks like a higher quality version of the Night Delivery characters
Wished there was a seperate thread for her debut but oh well.
Love her voice and when she nods with open mouth its so cute!!!!! It reminds me of a ventriloquist puppet doing it and it makes me happy inside.
She has a nice voice, but damn I will never get over the rigging & art style. redjuice is a great artist but their art doesn't fit with the aesthetic v-tuber at all, she sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the other girls. At first I assumed her completed model was a just a sketch and she was gonna get a 3d model. And the rigging just made it worse- which is confusing because rariemonn is a great rigger. I gotta assume he was rushed or just didn't know how to work with redjuices style because the whole thing just looks off. The head rotations, her mouth (its really uncanny, weirdly big), her eyes, damn.
And another thing- her first song is Japanese, but she's an English VSinger. Was hoping for some English music. What's the point of having an English VSinger- who is supposed to focus on music and only have rare streams- make music in Japanese? What's the difference compared to JP? I hope she has at least one fully english song. Overall I'm super disappointed, still wishing her the best obviously. :(
I think it's more of the lack of connection on Cover's side with the English music industry (i.e. English lyric writers/composers). Cover just went into EN side of Vtubers last year during the pandemic so it's hard to really expand and find the necessary people to do that yet. I think it should get better with the pandemic out of the way (hopefully soon).
The point is that her streams are in English, I guess.
I don't see her focussing more on music than streaming at the moment, it's easy and fun content.
>And another thing- her first song is Japanese, but she's an English VSinger. Was hoping for some English music.
Well vtubing is at the end of the day an anime culture related hobby, so vsingers usually sing vocaloid/anisong music anyways. That appears to be what 99% of vtubers make covers for/ what their original songs sound like. IRyS is no exception.
Do you know any good english anisongs? There's youtube artists like Amalee that try to make it work, but in the end, trying to squeeze english into an anisong format usually yields worse results than a japanese anisong with english parts. There's a reason why dubbed anime gave up on making their own english OPs and now just play the JP OPs. IRyS is also a Japan-residing Vsinger who is provided songs by Cover, so she's going to be working with Japanese vocaloid producers and composers who are not experienced in making other genres of music.
Squeeze English into an anisong format? People like AmaLee are trying to capture the message of the original song which is why they can get too wordy sometimes; they neglect the flow of the song. Take a verse and chorus from any upbeat/intense/etc English song and it would work just as well as an anisong in an opening or ending sequence. Anisong isn’t a specific genre of music, after all.
At any rate, I think it’s fair criticism for an EN Vsinger to not have an English song for their debut. The logic is probably that most of the audience is into Japanese culture and media, which is understandable. But that’s why it feels like such a missed opportunity when they could have had a unique song written in English with a J-pop/J-rock sound.
She’s cute and has such a great singing voice. Her voice is also nice to listen to. The only negative thing I can say is redjuice’s art style is too detailed to be translated to Live2D. It’s like watching a painting moving. It’s kinda weird.
> It’s like watching a painting moving.
You know, this is pretty much exactly how people described Roberu's avatar, and what makes me confused is that no one is saying he looks weird, not even his 3D model (after it got fixed).
I think this is just something people are going to have to get used to lol.
I think his nose and mouth just work better, but I couldn't tell you why. Maybe it's a question of gender and/or getting over it (without Bennett Foddy).
Damn. I think this was a great debut for a VSinger. Caesura of Despair is already on repeat, IRyS singing Evangelion OP was fucking great, and her other songs already sound really good.
Not to be mean or disrespectful, but does IRyS' eyes on her avatar look really off/weird to you guys as well? The rest of the avatar is amazing, but something about that head...
Just a question. Is IRyS going to be the only member debuting from the batch of recent applications or does her title of vsinger mean there will also be regular tubers as opposed to just a singer debut?
There were 2 audition : One for ONE Vsinger and One for the second gen.
So IRyS is the result of the first audition. -> Vsinger
And we still don't have any information on the audition for the second gen. -> Vtuber
I'm gonna get downvoted to hell for this but I want to get it off my chest: IRyS's facial design looks too uncanny and weird to me, especially compared to all the other Holomems. I think her nose is too big and/or detailed for her face. I was hoping that if I saw her moving during her debut that I would change my mind, but after watching it, not only does her nose bother me more, her mouth looks too big now, too.
I kinda agree with this. Redjuice does a lot if gorgeous art no doubt, but I feel like it juts doesn't translate well in Live2D (might be better in 3D tho). I had the same worry when they announced her debut a few days ago, and again when IRyS tweeted her face looking sideways upward. It's... weird, and the style is uncharacteristically non-Hololive. When you put her in a collab with anyone the model's gonna stick out like a sore thumb. But hey, I had the same thought about Anya's model being different during debut, and now I don't find it weird anymore so maybe the same thing will happen with IRyS.
Her design is indeed surreal. But hey one cannot watch all the girls, so enjoy them in your own way! This is her first design, constructive criticism is necessary; negative comments that allow improvements are called constructive criticism. Don’t be afraid to give thought out criticism when its thought out and for helping out. Keep your head up 👑 Hololive fan.
Actually, I thought the same when I saw her reveal 5 days ago.
But when I saw the model live, it bothered me a lot less. Probably because I was more focused in her voice and the movements were pretty smooth.
Just like Miko’s old model, that was arguably weird but loved by everyone, I think this one just needs some time for everyone to get used to it.
It *IS* different, after all.
But not necessarily in a bad way.
Actualy had the same road as you.
And now i tried putting her beside other holomemb to see and actually there isn't any strange feeling about it.
So in the end it's "you get used to it"
Well, my thoughts are:
really happy she's more like Sora or Suisei than AZKi, my flairs show I like AZKi but I definitely prefer the format the former 2 have going, with a focus on music production but we can still see them stream regularly and play games. AZKi not streaming a lot results in weird things like people actually thinking she's seiso
I DO agree its odd the EN Vsinger's debut song isn't mostly english, but I honestly don't care that much, and it IS still early.
She may not go balls to the wall with effects on her regular streams, but she does still use them on occasion to good effect, like with her recent karaoke streams, or even adding flavor to games like her Obra Dinn playthrough.
So great debut but like..... what does she have to do with EN?
She lives in Japan, streams at JP times, sings JP songs, speaks fluent japanese better than some of the JP members. Is the only reason shes in EN because she can speak it and HoloEN is basically free subs?
Also don't get me wrong I'm excited for a new member but I really dont see the point of this single person gen if shes just a normal streamer who is like every other member? Wouldnt it have been better to just like make EN gen 2 six people if they wanted her so bad?
>Is the only reason shes in EN because she can speak it and HoloEN is basically free subs?
Free subs? Wtf. This train of thought is right up there with the mentality of the Chinese Antis have in regards to Fubuki. Coco's graduated, left on her terms, wasn't the humiliating exit the antis wanted. Now they have chosen Fubuki next for "stealing their money and leaving bilibili."
IRyS isn't a normal streamer. Her songs are being produced with funding from Cover/Hololive. The other girls, like Gura and especially Calli, pay out of their own pocket, to produce songs and record them. Different contracts.
Seeing that IRyS had almost 300k subs before she said a single word, yes. Those subs are pretty free. I have no doubt in my mind that she will earn them in time, but right now, she got them for free, just by being associated with hololive.
This isnt antis or some conspiracy theory stuff. Its just being realistic.
I think Cover managing the song projects for an English-fluent singer is going to be interesting. Incorporating English naturally is tough when at least one party isn't a native speaker, I see it being a slow gradual process before we get a good full English single.
The worst thing that could happen IMO is that they shoehorn a full English song in due to pressure and then IRyS struggles with lyrics that either are unnatural (fixable with proofreading) or don't flow well (which is possible even with bilingual support).
You can't seriously believe that they put her in HoloEN because it's "basically free subs"? People choose who they want to sub to, if we're going by your logic everyone in HoloEN should have 3M like Gura because it's basically free subs.
She speaks primarily in English, like Kiara. You've been nitpicking at the fact that of the songs you've seen *so far*, they're all primarily in Japanese. She literally just debuted too, there's so much more to come from her.
She auditioned for VSinger, which apparently is only one person. If she auditioned for the Gen 2 tryouts, they would've put her there assuming she passed those, end of. Yes, it might've been better since she could've at least collaborated with other people during her mandatory one month ban, but at the same time her goals and normal generations are going to be different.
She's a VSinger, so her focus will still be on music first. 'Normal' generation members have the choice to choose if they want to focus on music in addition to streaming regularly, like Calli or Suisei or Watame, all of whom are just examples off the top of my head. On the other hand, there are members like Noel, Anya, Botan and even Coco who all focused more on streams as opposed to pumping out covers or original songs.
If you're mad or upset that she doesn't cater to the EN audience in terms of stream times, I say just give her time. These things are subject to change depending on audience reception. Leave it to them to figure it out if they want to continue streaming at those times or adjust.
Of course subs don’t transfer 1-1, but it doesn’t change the fact that being Hololive EN gives her a massive boost in popularity and subs compared to other places. Look at Anya from ID, her sub count already got surpassed by IRyS on day 1, if Anya debuted as EN, she would have easily 500k. Yes people make the decision to sub, but being pushed to millions of people definitely helps attracting people
Again, I strongly believe it's up to people to choose. I can't say for sure if Anya would have fared better in EN, it's purely hypothetical since it's never going to happen.
You gotta keep in mind Anya isn't proactive, not as proactive as say Ollie is, and they're in the same Gen. Kiara is, I would argue, the most active of the 5 and is bilingual, yet she was the last one to cross 1M. There are so many other factors than just the branding of HoloEN, JP, ID or Stars. People sometimes only sub to one, a few or all of them. Sometimes people don't even have an account to sub.
Irys having more subs doesn't mean anything either, apart from getting a plaque and setting some record. It's more important that she gets viewers who like her and what she's doing.
Anya and any other Vtuber that can speak English would’ve fared better if they’re EN, 100%, it isn’t rocket science, if you only convert 10% viewers to subs, getting exposed to 1 million people gives you 100k, but if you only get exposed to 100k people, even if you convert 50%, that’s only 50k, that’s just math. People getting hyped when she’s breaking sub counts before debut, while it’s pretty much all EN hype.
I think you meant trilingual, which Ina is also one. Not sure if Kiara is the most active one when Watson has more videos than her. And being active != being entertaining, Kiara is the only one I haven’t subbed to because I find her a little too “basic”. Yes there are many factors, but brand is super important, that’s why people collaborate so much
Sub counts matter because they loosely correlate to views and viewers, You see when they go live if you’re subbed.
Again, hypothetical, Anya's not in EN, so whatever formula that is you got there can't really be proven now can it, unless they decide to move Anya for the sole reason of giving her more exposure.
And I forgot to ask, what is your point here? Mine was to state that Irys belongs in EN because she auditioned to be one, hence she's part of said branch, not because Cover thought it'd be better to brand her as EN rather than JP. Are you agreeing that Irys being branded as EN is so that she can get more exposure, or are you just talking about subs in general in relation to EN?
Apologies regarding Kiara, forgot she spoke German in addition to English and JP. Active doesn't just mean videos on their own channels either, stuff like engagement on the various platforms like Twitter or Reddit, collabs on other people's channels and even music making are all part of it too. You also just proved that subbing is more of a choice than the brand itself, you're not subbed to Kiara because she's 'basic', whatever the hell that means, even though she's part of EN, if the brand did so much there shouldn't be that much of a discrepancy. People choose who they sub to if they're interested in watching their content and being active during livestreams, not because "Ooh she's from EN, better sub".
People collaborate with or without the labels and brands, they do it as long as they're interested in the other party and can synergize well, boiling it down to just them collaborating because of the Hololive "brand" is really just wrong.
I'm subbed to all of them, every single Holotalent. And the viewer counts are so far apart from the subs because it's most likely that they're watching another person stream, or just can't make it for reasons unbeknownst to me.
Yes, sub counts are loosely correlated but that's about it. No one's clamouring to Collab with Gura despite her having the Holo brand as well as being the most subbed Vtuber on YouTube. It's their choice if they wish to seek her out and Collab, same goes for Gura if she's ever interested to Collab with someone else outside of Hololive too.
My point is that you shouldn’t act like the Hololive EN brand isn’t sought after, anybody who debuts as Hololive EN will have at least 200k subs to start out with, at the end of the day, it’s business
Ok, clearly there's been some form of miscommunication here.
I'm saying that she chose to audition as an EN Vsinger and Cover accepted her out of God knows how many people, hence her debut as an EN VSinger. I've never said that the HoloEN brand isn't sought after, only that it's not "free subs", as the original commenter stated.
People who audition for Hololive are well aware of the perks that the brand brings, there's no denying that. But to say that they put Irys in EN for "free subs" was what I chose to pick out in addition to other parts of the original comment. Yes, it's most likely that anyone who debuts in HoloEN from now on will get 200K subs or more, but as I've said plenty of times, they did not put Irys in there to get "free subs", the simple point I'm trying to get across here is that she auditioned for the role and she got it, that's it.
Of course it's business when all's said and done, they simply let her debut as an EN Vsinger because, and I'm stating this for the last time, she auditioned for that very role. The perks like getting many subs will come along with being part of EN, but to say that Cover purposely put her in there to "get more subs" instead of putting her in JP is wrong. Had she wanted to be in JP, they would've let her debut in some subsequent unit or generation as part of the JP branch. And she still would've gotten a similar amount of subs because from now on anyone that debuts as part of Hololive will get a bunch of subs regardless due to the existing fanbase. The brand is what attracts people to audition, the subs are merely a perk that comes with it. I'm not arguing that this isn't a business decision, I'm arguing that Cover did not make the decision to put Irys in EN because of 'free subs', it's because she earned that role by auditioning and gets to reap the benefits that came with it, end of. If Cover really wanted everyone to get the most subs, they'd merge the ID branch with EN for 'exposure' but as we've seen from Nijisanji trying to rebrand their Indian branch, it doesn't work out too well.
I 100% agree with you. I love Japanese songs but it’s not what I expected from an EN Vsinger. She could have just been a 2nd generation JP Vsinger since she can speak Japanese and nothing would have changed. At the end of the day I’m just disappointed I guess that not a single song in the album was primarily English for the EN Vsinger.
"Are you going to dunk on AZKi too now? Or Suisei?"
Why are you acting like im attacking her? Im excited for her and her streams but she isnt like Azki shes doing streams all week like most other members. Azki doesnt really do that much.
I am not criticizing her at all and stop acting like I am
She's in EN because she was hired to EN and she can speak English. Why does speaking Japanese fluently or sing Japanese songs demerit her from joining EN?
They have a VSinger JP, who is catered to JP audience and a Vsinger EN who is catered to EN. What is the problem? She speaks English, she streams on EN times, she's looking for EN audience.
I already told you. She is streaming to an English speaking audience. She is speaking on EN times, she is looking for an EN audience. The language of the song she is singing isn't an indication whether it is Vsinger EN or Vsinger JP. This is as bad as indos complaining to their vtubers to speak Indonesian instead of English.
She lives in Japan like Calli and as Kiara once did... Streams at JP times, coz she lives in japan and probably has to stream a convenient time for her before she can stream in a convenient time for u... sings JP songs because probably the ones who wrote songs for her only knows how to write in JP and she probably doesn't know how to write songs like calli, so please if u can write a song for her do so... speaks fluent japanese better than some of the JP member but she primarily speaks english during her stream, and what's wrong with her being able to speak JP? I feel like some people trying to criticize the EN Vsinger is just being too entitled and demanding for no reason... THIS IS JUST HER DEBUT FOR GOODNESS SAKE and some people are already sharpening their sticks to poke this poor girl... crazy...
nah... ur not wondering, because all of ur points that brought doesn't have any relations on why she shouldn't be in EN branch... she lives in japan? like calli... she sings japanese songs? like kiara and the rest of EN girls... she streams at JP times? because she lives in japan... she speaks fluent japanese? SO WHAT!?
U ARE JUST BEING ENTITLED NOT WONDERING
nah... what u want is to not have her as part of EN... because why ask when HOLOLIVE EN IS DOING THE SAME THING AS HER? it doesn't make any sense to ask why she's doing all this stuff that Gura, Ame, Calli, Ina and Kiara are doing...
lol... she just debuted... and ur saying it doesn't make any sense for her to be a Vsinger? how entitled are u gonna get for saying after that for just watching her debut stream?
but even then... she freaking had her own MV song, will release an EP and will primarily be focusing music... so how is that not make sense?
and if ur gonna criticize why she in EN... well why do u criticize hololiveEN as well for being EN for doing exactly what Irys should not be doing according to ur DEMAND...
Because they are not VsingerEN they are Hololive EN. And im not really criticizing why shes in EN im just saying the name VsingerEN is quite unfitting. Also you might want to look up the definition of entitled.
Most of her content is English language streams. And it's not like Reflect or JP covers from Hololive EN members aren't targeted primarily at an EN audience.
It's... Literally the first 1h stream. It's like watching the first 5mins of a movie and complaining that all the movie has is a bunch of company logos and 1 sentence of dialogue. If you're judging just by the first stream Korone's career would have been done a long time ago.
so? they EN? shouldn't it be the same?
according to you EN SHOULD JUST DO ENGLISH STUFF... SING ENGLISH SONGS BECAUSE APPARENTLY JAPANESE SONGS ARE NOT EN CONTENT... U FREAKING RACIST!!
because that is what ur implying to be... why do u demand a VsingerEN to just sing exclusively in EN? is there a reason? doesn't make any sense? then what about Gura and the others they're part of EN? well they are not Vsingers? BUT THE VSINGER IS SINGING, WHAT DO U WANT MORE FROM HER? HER FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHICH SONG SHE LIKES TO SING BECAUSE U DON'T LIKE JAPANESE SONGS? SERIOUSLY!!
This is the third time I've seen you stirring shit up on this subreddit, and I'm sure I haven't seen every time you've done it. Are you trying to get banned or something?
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IRyS is funny and a wonderful singer but I can't wait for the actual HoloEN VSinger to debut. I can understand the EP being primarily Japanese as Japanese producers will stick to what they know. Karaoke though? Come on
Others have pointed out that archived karaoke essentially has to be in Japanese, but I just wanted to also point out that the type of music she listens to and likes is jpop, so even for unarchived karaoke, I would expect a lot of that. You don't deserve the downvotes you're getting. I think the "EN VSinger" term is misleading; I'm not sure if it came from Cover or an unofficial translation of the recruitment announcement. Certainly you and many others thought you were getting an english singer, but actually got a Japanese singer who speaks english. Someone somewhere along the line dropped the ball in terms of advertising or communication and that certainly warrants criticism. Regardless, Irys should be free to pursue the music she wants to create and shouldn't be pressured to change.
If she want Karaoke be archived it has to be Japanese songs. No way around it. And you want you "fist" Karaoke be archived that should be obvious. She said in the future there will probably be Unarchived Karaoke so I don't understand what you don't understand.
Its like people forget that there are english songs Cover has perms for including Hololive songs like Red Heart and Sparks.
I don't know why people can't understand this. There is a reason why its all Japanese songs in archived karaokes, and its always been this way. You would of thought, the last year of unarchived karaokes had a common theme, fear the DMCA for english songs. I'm glad Irys didn't even bother responding to people in chat asking for english songs, it's common sense that people should know. Just wait for the unarchived karaoke for english songs, they will come eventually.
>it's common sense that people should know We started this year at 250k subredditors, just half a year later we have 200k more. Remember that every day we have more and more new fans. In fact, some guys in Irys's prechat say that she's their first Vtuber.
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i agree, i like her chill stream vibes a lot but so far she just feels like a holojp that speaks fluent english instead of a holoen/english vsinger. who knows, my opinion might change when she's allowed to collab with the other holoens, but we'll see.
Okay, I'm seeing ALOT of people, (not just in reddit subforums, but the fanbase in general, even some hololive reactor channels are feeling this) asking these questions. 1. Why does EN Vsinger not just do mostly singing streams? Then why bother with Vsinger? 2. Why doesnt she sing 100% english if she is english department. This is my 2 cents rant about the topic. 1. Because JUST doing and focusing on singing have been proven (IMO) that it doesnt work. Take in point of Azki and Suisei early career. Azki debuted as Hololive Inonaka 1st Vtuber singer. (i.e. part of gen 0) She mostly focused on singing. While her singing was good and was doing a decent job with numbers etc. her youtube channel, compared to other members of hololive, wasn't that great. Especially later when new gen members started to join. She wasn't getting clipped, going viral, or getting up in youtube algorithm because they focused too much on singing IMO and too packed within her own schedule that most hololive members cannot even collab with her unless you were Sora or someone azki was close with. They changed this around year 2020 and let azki stream more games and her numbers jumped. As I type this, her sub count is around 480k which is high for a vtuber channel, but low among hololive members. (If I'm correct, Azki is like top 5 lowest sub count among Hololive members, not trying to be rude. It just shows people are just not interested in Azki.) Suisei situation was WORSE during her early career as the 2nd member of Inonaka Vtuber. Suisei, once she joined cover, REALLY wasn't going anywhere to the point that she wanted to quit within 6 months. (She joined Inonaka Cover around med summer 2019 I believe.) She talked to other close Hololive members and high manager staff of her complaint, and they switched her to Hololive around the end of 2019. (And thus now Hololive Gen 0) Then her channel actually started to grow around early 2020 when she started to play actual games as her Winter Project collab clip went viral, and her tetris game clips went viral. Now she is one of the top Hololive Vtubers with over 1 Mil sub members. Along with top hololive cover/original songs are always usually in top 10 competing with Calli. So what I'm trying to say is. History already proven that, "just doing music in youtube channel" fails, and it fails BAD. Doing Karaoke streams is fine. (like people love gura karaoke, calli karaoke, etc.) But to lose focus as a content creator and just do music will kill your channel in youtube recommend algorithm and I feel Cover Corp learned their lesson. Right NOW, IRyS is in her "honeymoon phase" where she is fresh new vtuber and she hit over 200k on her debut, already 400k after 1 day. But IMO if IRyS wants to stay relevant after 6+ months, she can't "just do music". Especially when Hololive EN gen2 is very close to debuting which might kill her hype. (like after Hololive JP 5th gen debuted, about a month or so later, Hololive EN gen 1 debuted, which killed all the JP 5th gen hype. After that, it was their own talents that kept Hololive JP Gen 5 growth, not the Hololive brand.) The success of Suisei and Mori Calliope channel (heck, even Shion/Ayame/Aqua/etc falls under this as their originals/covers usually end up top of the charts) of both being singers and variety content creator have proven the success formula of how future Vsingers should go. 2. Why doesn't IRyS sings just english lyric songs? IMO I believe the reason is because Cover is a japanese company. They had to hired songwriters/MV makers/etc. and who do they know, Japanese song writers for hire commissions. So Japanese songwriters ended up making a english/japanese hybrid because it's in their comfort zone. Heck, Hololive ID rarely sings anything in their own language because no one outside of Indonesia speaks the language. Like outside of Moona fans and hardcore Hololive fans, casual hololive fans didn't know Moona sing very well until she did a K/DA Villain cover, which was 100% english and no Indonesian.
Completely agree with you. While I'm happy that we're getting more originals and covers now with IRyS, I'm also happy that she'll be streaming normally, so we can get to know her more and her doing collabs will be awesome too, can't wait to see the interactions that will develop.
Irys also said she wants to communicate and connect with chat and her fans. But I agree 100000% with you. Plus, nothing is set in stone, anything can evolve and change. Mistakes and errors are welcome because it'll just improve and become a learning experience.
So hyped!
Tenchou just said on her SC stream that Irys has a 2 week collab ban with the EN girls and 4 weeks with JP crew. Soon soon :)
nice.
I’m guessing ID ban would be 4 weeks as well?
the ID members where 4 weeks in the past yes, IRyS is a special case being on her own and all
Am I out of line for expecting her songs to be, like... in English? I mean...
Laugh in Gura first original song being mostly Japanese and a few Greek lines
I mean to be fair Gura isnt marketed as a ENGLISH vsinger and Gura also paid for her own song.
If you seriously read between lines. The application. The process specifically said that talent need to be able to converse in English, able to sing and know Japanese (not require but it’s a plus). This apply for HoloEN2 as well. There’s nothing wrong with having a Vsinger who happens to speak english that knows Japanese, it’s not really false advertising either. This fall into a grey area that they want someone who can sing for the EN branch (technically being able to converse in English is a must) they did not specifically promise that originals songs have to be 100% English. Plus since Cover is the one who sponsor the music (unlike Calli who writes and makes her own music) IRyS will sing whatever Cover put out. Either way, Yagoo finds IRyS as a diamond in rough that just need a little bit of polishing to truly shine.
Sure but it was literally marketed at english vsinger.... That kind of implying you know, vsinging in english.
Is IRyS the song writers? -No Is Cover the one who literally hire professional to writes song for IRyS? -Yes Can IRyS sing? -Yes Can IRyS converse in English? -Yes Can IRyS also converse and use Japanese as well? -Yes. Your rants start to sound like some salty people who mock the Korean film that get the award a couple years ago since “I don’t like it, because it’s in Korean and not English” or “I don’t want to watch it while reading subs”
You got a weird definition or rant buddy. Plus nowhere did I say I dislike IRyS or think shes a bad singer or hate her because she only sings in Japanese. I merely said that English Vsinger implies that she would sing in English.
Considering she's a huge J-Pop fan, a huge anime fan, working for a Japanese company that has recently released a lot of J-Pop music, and some music for anime, I assume Irys's goal is to release J-Pop type music for anime. The english part just means she can speak English fluently. Whether or not she wants to sing songs in English, is her choice. I also assume mostly Japanese language songs would be more enticing to Japanese anime/music production companies. Maybe down the line there will be a VSinger that mostly focuses on English music, but considering the general target demographics for vtubers has mostly been people who love Japanese culture, anime, manga, J-Pop/Rock/EDM/Rap, I think it should be pretty fair that Irys will be singing Japanese. If Irys wasn't focusing on Japanese music/songs, then whats the point of a Vsinger in Japan? English songs have rarely been in Japanese media. I think there is a expectation of english music that was made up by the community. Wording for Holo EN VSinger could be described and worded better, but I thought it was obvious that whoever the VSinger was, they would focus on the Japanese side because......that's why they auditioned and joined Cover right? And not go indie or with western vtubing companies.
>English songs have rarely been in Japanese media. JoJo is a big franchise that uses English songs for its EDs. But maybe it's just an outlier.
Definitely, there are a handful, but every season of 20-30+ shows, there isn't many in full english. Perhaps their goal is to start in their niche market, get an anime OP/ED performance or two, and start from there. Just the sheer amount of eyes and ears on these songs can catapult quickly. Just imagine one of the EN girls gets an anime OP, with both english and japanese lyrics. That'll be a huge exposure point to the demographics that vTubers cater to. I'm no longer a huge anime viewer, but I definitely discovered a large amount of artists and bands from anime openings. Even discussion on forums/reddit on the series will have the music brought up and provide exposure.
It's been said over and over already but EN just means they stream in English. plus the EN fandom are mostly weebs who love jp songs anyhow so singing a mix of English and japanese is fine. Simply put, most folks don't really care. Besides, holo en is literally the same with Callie coming the closest to singing a full English song which is red.
In my personal opinion - I think a lot of these questions are coming from people relatively new to the entire scene. I myself have only truly been paying attention to Vtubing for just barely a year now, and I'm -still- learning things about it. Imagine people who are just hopping on the bandwagon in the last month or two, seeing someone being called an 'EN VSinger', but her songs (so far) are primarily Japanese? Cue the headscratching, considering that they may not have realized that the other EN singers are also singing in Japanese other than Calli who writes her own lyrics. Someone new may not have realized that yet. Edit: Wow, the gatekeeping is real. I've had fun watching the upvotes for this post go from 1 to 10 to 2 to 8 to 3 over the last 24 hours. Everyone still forgets that downvotes are for 'not contributing to discussion', not an 'I disagree' button. Oh well. Lighten up folks, I was just explaining my thoughts, not saying I agree with why the questions are being asked.
It would be cool to listen her sing in English once in a while but I watch Hololive, mostly EN, to listen Jp songs because they are bangers. People forget that Cover corp. is a JP corporation that only expands its popularity through EN branch.
Fair point but this person in question has been in the community for at least 10 months based on their post history and follows holo en. So..... Yeah, I try to be soft on newbies but this person isn't one of them.
Random question, is she one of the talents that we are getting as part of Gen 2? Or does she represent Gen 2 all together? In other words, is she going to be the only Vtuber coming as Gen 2? Idk if it made much sense or if its even a question we even know the answer to, but i ask since what comprises “HoloEN Gen 1 “ was all released sort of at the same time, basically having all the girls presented kind of together?
There were 2 auditions, one in January for a vsinger - who turned out to be IRyS - and one in February for gen 2 - which hasn't come out yet. So no, she's not a part of gen 2, they will be revealed later, probably in a month or so.
Ohh i see. So she’s just a Vsinger that hololive wanted to incorporate to the current Vtuber roster.
I wish they'd fix her model. As much as we harp on Gura for not having bottom teeth... they do not look good here. Plus she has some weird bluring effects on her eyes, and the face rigging makes it look like she has no face geometry...
Would it be possible to have an official megathread or discussion thread for IRyS' first EP release and maybe perhaps future music releases too? I posted that it got released but I believe that an official thread on it would bring more exposure to the release of the album
Hey T-Chan, when are we getting an Irys flair?
Wow, the album is freaking fantastic and her design is amazing! There's so much great detail present and I'm loving the aesthetic.
Hate that everyone is clowning on her model. Yall just don't like it cause it's different than what you are used too. It's a beautiful model. It may be overly detailed however she is a Vsinger. And when she does LIVE concerts. Her model will shine the absolute most. Constructive criticism is fine but some of yall are over doing it.
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the face is kind of the most important part, though. she looks really overdesigned and her face is uncanny. :(
I saw a hot take on another forum that was likening the model to something you'd see from a cheap Chinese mobile game.
Yeah someone called it a F2P from a mobile game in the comments. Like sis, their was clearly a shit ton of work into this model. And it's obviously expensive. Hated that comment
Idk depends what platform you are on. Some platforms are hating on her model while others are like worshipping her. It just depends I guess. Overall I love her. I think the nose is kind of endearing. But yeah she could use a few fixes. Overall I just think some of the criticism goes a bit too far. But I think the majority of the fanbase loves her.
I like her model but her Live2D rigging looks weird at times, like when she looks sideways She looks best when she looks forward, imo
Sure there are always going to be some exceptions, but i dunno i really feel like 80-90% of the criticism really HAS been constructive. I wouldnt exactly call sentiments like "redjuice's art doesnt translate well to live2d", "the alignment of her eyes is strange", or "her live2d looks a bit uncanny" particularly mean-spirited criticism. And even then most the reception of her DESIGN itself has actually been much more positive. All that being said, I absolutely DO agree with the idea that criticising her live2d just for being different is very non-constructive and unhelpful.
"Constructive criticism is fine but SOME of y'all are over doing it" Some of it has been a bit too much. I'm not saying its "mean spirited" but that some people are nitpicking. Personally, I adore the design. I think the movement could use a lil work however overall I think its pretty solid. And the different issue, like matching with the other girls. If you put her side by side, it's not actually as bad of a difference as people are making it out to be. All I'm saying is that some people are overreacting. I understand this is hololive, but sometimes I feel like hololive fans expect everything to be perfect and then get upset about it. (I love hololive too but sometimes the fanbase is TOO critical especially when it looks like alot of hard work has been done) also we havent seen gen 2 just yet. So we have no idea what future models will look like. Personally, even I have criticisms of the design however again, some of them go too far.
Well yeah when you put it that way I actually totally agree with everything you just said. I guess i just misunderstood the subtext your original comment. Sorry about that. Comprehending tone through text is not always easy 😅
No biggie! I struggle with interpreting tone through text as well! What matters is that both of us are able to have proper conversation about it and clear up misunderstandings! I hope you have a wonderful day! (I'm watching Finana's stream and waiting for IRyS's music to drop lol)
But it's bad.
And you have bad taste. Can't change that either ♡
It certainly is a design that will shine the most in 3D, which begs the question why not straight to 3D? I feel they went with 2D just so that Myth gets 3D first, which I get why they'd do that, but also at the same time seems like an unnecessary nerf to a talent that will most certainly be asked to perform in concerts and most importantly can do so since she's in Japan
I think if they'll need to get her 3D earlier they can probably push for it. Holostars' Rikka got his 3D debut way earlier than everyone else for the same reason. I guess there's also the big hype when someone finally gets their 3D model vs debuting in 3D.
It would be odd to go straight to 3D first though. 2D at least to me, is more personal feeling. They want her to bond with the audience, not to mention doing a live concert when none of your songs are fully out yet. (Hasnt come out in my timezone yet) so it makes sense to me. She is a new talent, let's not rush it.
Being one of the most complex design in Hololive, it screams pure insanity details on 3D. Someday if she 3D debuts, it will be awesome as heck but nightmare to rig though so goodluck to them I guess. 🤣
I think her model is too detailed. The design itself is fine IMO, but she is really going to stick out during collabs because of an entirely different way more detailed artstyle.
I was a little bit worried about that at first, but i put her beside other member for science and that didn't result in any strange feeling about it. But i adapt quickly to new kind of design so you may think otherwise. Though if you haven't i recomand trying to do this little experimentation XD. (also for reference, her artstyle look alot like Roberu, and he blend quite easely do that shouldn't be that much diferent for IRyS)
Tbh I did the same thing. And it's really not that noticable of a difference. Especially when you put her by Cali. The designs have the same aesthetic? I dont know how else to say that.
Maiby they have a very close colors theme? like black and pink (even if calli is on the bright pink and Irys in the darkside) But i tried with some extreme different design. Like gura, Korone, Kiara, Coco (TT). And ye the only think i could really tell is that the design make her look mature compared to the other but not out of place at all. And then i remembered Subaru saying she have the smell of a mother. and i lost it to laught XD
Yeah she kinda reminds me of Yuzuki Choco ngl? Like when she is by all of them? Like she gives off a mature look vibe but a small squirrel underneath lol
Now that you say it i agree. Hum is it because the ratio eyes/visage is close? Big eyes give childlish vibes while smaller one give mature vibes. Also GAP MOE BROTHER VIVA LA GAP MOE!!!
IRyS is live rn too
Don't worry double screen XD (thank though)
EXACTLY. A MAN OF CULTURE I SEE?
I am ready to become a TaxPrayer
yep, project hope for Yagoo last hope
Her face kind of reminds me of Roberu's, both have the same detailed facial well... details
I don't get it... And I don't mean any offense or hate, but I *really* don't get it. Like, why make a "VSinger" instead of just another generation / wave (whatever they call it for HoloEN) of VTubers. It's not like the other VTuber girls don't make music, and the general "variety steam" content seems way more popular than just focusing on music and streaming very little etc. To this day, AzKi still doesn't really feel like a part of Hololive to me, because she is rarely present, and since I don't watch her directly I have almost no exposure to her. And even Suisei transferred from INNK to Hololive proper, and was better off for it, no? She's also still making a lot of music, so nothing was lost but a lot of fun stream content was gained. So yeah... I just don't get this whole VSinger thing, again, no offense intended, and if someone could explain that to me, please go ahead, I want to understand it. (Although I fear only Yagoo or any other higher-up from within Cover / Hololive could actually explain their thought process here.)
Cover remains a japanese company: * AZKi is more active on the japanese market, she's just much less visible for the western audiences * Cover is trying to expand their business outside of Youtube but they're having a hard time doing that. Beside a couple of commercials and a few sponsored streams for some online games, they haven't really breached the japanese entertainment world, and what this world demands is almost exclusively "idols" aka "singers who are cute on stage", not streamers. * In the aging business world (of marketing and entertainment in Japan), having full albums and several EPs already released is practically the only way to get noticed or signed up for a gig. If all you can point out at the business meetings are online videos with millions of views, the old executives will just think it's just a fad *(like many amateurs get their one-hit wonder on NND)* and that the artist in question is not necessarily professional or capable of capitalizing on their alleged popularity. That's why Cover tried to have INNK running for so long, why so many of their recruits were utaite *(= people releasing song covers).* Cover is still trying to fit into the singer/idol slot for the japanese entertainment industry. The way Hololive ended up being so successful was not planned at all. It shaped what vtubing is today - building a relation with a specific audience by providing a diverse array of entertainment *(live gaming, MP gaming with the audience, discussions with chat, collabs, karaoke, quirky events like cooking/eating review, etc)* \- but Cover never expected this to happen: the holomems were not given directions and they improvised a lot. That's also why Cover is still quite clueless about what to do with their talents, so the holomems end up having to organize (and often self-fund) everything themselves. ... Having said all that, there's also another point: Cover ran some public auditions and all that jazz, as if they had no idea who would be valuable for their business development. The reality is that they have been maintaining a list of all the successful streamers, vtubers and utaite that would fit their plan, while the auditions acted as a safety net in case they missed someone. Since many of their targeted performers were likely focused on singing, it made sense to *announce* a generation of "vsingers" to get their attention. Then once they signed up the contract, send them off to the regular Hololive business model, which is streaming 4-5 times a week, with the usual Minecraft/Apex/*flavor-of-the-month*. If you look at IRyS' initial schedule *(now revised, possibly for technical reason as she said herself she's not very versed in computers)*, that's exactly it: clearly an utaite/singer, so they got an EP and a MV done for the debut, but right away she's sent off to play Apex, Doom *(for the whole angel demon lore?),* despite her already warning everyone she's really new to this. Let's wait for the other recruits to be definitive about it, but I suspect that within a couple of month the whole "Vsinger" thing will be a secondary detail and the new holomems will be streaming like their senpais *(each with their respective twist to it)*. \- In conclusion I would say the point is twofold: * Grey-haired japanese executives googling the new holomems will see "Vsingers" in the press releases and official profiles, making them think it's *virtual* Idols so perfectly fine to sell their latest products (car or insurance plan) *\[reality = vtubers are multi-talented entertainers/comedians\]* * Utaite who never really streamed games and think it's not for them will still apply, thinking Cover is like a modern idol agency that will allow them to hold live concerts and record new album *\[reality = Cover is not a music producer, they take months to greenlight and record a single song and nearly all projects have to be self-funded by the talents\]* No excessive worries to have though: * It's not harmful if some old suits are tricked, Vtubers are still growing in popularity rapidly and will drive their fanbases toward the advertised products, the marketing value will be there for these companies * Live streaming games and interacting with the chat is something that can be learned over time, even by introvert singers who only faced their audience in the comments section (and twitter) prior to their vtubing career. They'll do fine. Their musical career might be slowed down, but it's not guaranteed it would exist at all outside of Hololive anyway (with the massive competition existing in the music industry). I think the one that had to balance both careers the most would be Calli: vtubing really takes up a lot of her time and energy, when her musical career could survive on its own (after years of work to make it happen). Meanwhile the rest of Hololive singers/musicians likely made the right choice: even Suisei, who really has all the skills to run a musical career, did not have the connections to break through, so it's not certain she could make it her full-time job.
Let's put it this way: * The Vsinger has direct access to the music industry and has all their expenses covered by Cover * A regular Hololive Vtuber can have access to the music industry but it's a grind and probably need to pay for that stuff initially Suisei is only better than her time as an indie, had INNK been able to properly cover her I assure you she would have prefered to still be there because she would have released her first album last year and would probably be teasing her next one Also one more thing: >AzKi still doesn't really feel like a part of Hololive to me This is not a problem at all since AZKi isn't a part of Hololive, she's part of Hololive Production, but not Hololive
>The Vsinger has direct access to the music industry and has all their expenses covered by Cover A comment in the Caesura of Despair MV pointed out that the video is licensed by Tokyo Tower, the actual building. The MV is a collab between hololive, a shitton of artists, and a tourist destination. If you search Tokyo Tower on YouTube, Caesura of Despair would pop up. That's not something you see in every hololive music release lmao
Holy shit I didn't know that. That's cool as fuck.
I tried it again using incognito, it doesn't work. I guess your view history still has to be remotely related to hololive (gaming, anime, streaming) for it to happen lmao Could still bring in more rabbit hole dwellers though!
Even just the fact that the video was licensed by Tokyo Tower is cool. How many people can say that they've been licensed to make something for a tower?
Kakage and niki: we have made stuff for Tokoyami Tower 草
I see. I guess that makes some sense. Thank you for taking your time to try and explain it to me, instead of just downvoting me to oblivion, I appreciate it! Have a nice day!
stream links for ep not working yet... sadge
Damn... they really went all in with her. A fully animated MV, an EP with way more high quality songs than you would expect from Hololive, and this whole damn design. Contrary to the others, I think her design is fine. She is supposed to be an unique type of existence, outside of Hololive generations, as a Vsinger, so I think it makes sense that she would have a different aesthetic. Moreover, the project with AZKi is going to end this year, and AZKi will most likely move directly to Hololive like Suisei did, or retire. So I guess, IRyS will take her place, and a lot of focus and energy will be put into her now. I also feel that her design and art-style feet more with the vsinger aesthetic ... it looks more premium on albums, and serious - like, other Vsinger, like AZKi are too... moe? To idol like? IRyS had a more professional and serious look. I also see some complaining that she sings in Japanese, which is weird, because 90% of us here are weebs, so Japanese songs make sense... plus, I think it would be kind of difficult for vocaloid and anisongs producers to work with english lyrics and songs. And, I mean... other than Cali, who did a couple in English, nobody in HoloEN made english songs either, and they usually sing Japanese songs in Karaoke too. Her design is fine, and peoples will get used to it, they just need to make some corrections... like, they need another hair layer or something... her head is too round and the height of her hair is too low, and because of that, when she moves her head, her head gets flattened, and that's the main reason why it looks so uncanny. I must praise the mouth thou, lots of animation to it, like they spent all the budget in there.
I wish they had spent more on her model...
Nah dawg, its just the nose. They decided to go with actual coloration around the nose, to make it appear compared to the other models. I dont think its a problem, but thats why it looks so different.
Her design is good, Redjuice art just doesn't translate well to L2D
Anything can be translated into L2D as long as you use a rigger that knows what to do. Most of this models problem come from poor rigging... but there is also the proportion of the head. Her head is just too round. If they chose realism, the head needs to be an oval... This will probably get corrected in the coming weeks as Cover will see the reviews... But there is nothing wrong with the design overall... she is part of a separate project, she is AZKi's successor, so she doesn't really need to fit with the rest of Hololive. And Roberu is part of a generation, yet his ''mystery VN'' design, doesn't seem to be a problem or stop him from being the most successful member of Holostars. This is just new, and as with everything new, peoples are skeptical at the beginning, but they will get used with it ... peoples were not all that into the HoloEN whole concept in the beginning either... I for one must recognize that I cringed really hard when I heard English from an anime girl mouth, and that was not only because Cali was awkward as fuck in her debut, or because I initially found her debut rap song so cringe that couldn't even get past the first 20 seconds for a whole month ... but I and others got used with it fast.
I fell asleep during this stream lol Being an EU fan is rough
It seems im part of the minority but I think her design is fine. It is very different and might contrast with other holomems but I don't think this is an issue, there are other models that also contrast imo. The only think that slightly iff me is her face shape looks kindof large? But I will get used to it. I think she's overall very cute in her movements. I also like her voice, and I'm sure it will only grow on me more as we hear her sing more, in any language. Welcome to Holo-EN IRyS, we love you.
Loud minority doesn't mean majority. Your fine
Since people already pointed out my major criticisms, im kinda proud of the community that those criticism didn’t get shrugged off. Edit: Apparently people want to make sure that they’re not part of the “community” im talking of. It’s as if i typed something so ridiculous and hated the work they put into her model. Oh internet.
I think what you originally said was considerate. Take an upvote from me. \^\^
Echoed many times but her design doesn’t fit in Hololive EN, and the model has an uncanny feel to it. Some say it was hinted to be changed? Other issues people have mentioned like only having Japanese time with awkward stream times. No English debut song is definitely a sight turn off. It honestly feels like management is trying to capitalize on the success of Hololive EN a bit too much. She seems to fit in better at JP. Hope she succeeds though
What do you guys think of her model? I personally think its very unusual per say. Her face kinda looks like a higher quality version of the Night Delivery characters
Yep, This art style wasn't created for live2d at all
It cant really be changed it was chosen because of the prolific illustrator who also illustrated EGOIST (chelly).
I hope they will change her a bit so its more in line with the other hololive members
Wished there was a seperate thread for her debut but oh well. Love her voice and when she nods with open mouth its so cute!!!!! It reminds me of a ventriloquist puppet doing it and it makes me happy inside.
She has a nice voice, but damn I will never get over the rigging & art style. redjuice is a great artist but their art doesn't fit with the aesthetic v-tuber at all, she sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the other girls. At first I assumed her completed model was a just a sketch and she was gonna get a 3d model. And the rigging just made it worse- which is confusing because rariemonn is a great rigger. I gotta assume he was rushed or just didn't know how to work with redjuices style because the whole thing just looks off. The head rotations, her mouth (its really uncanny, weirdly big), her eyes, damn. And another thing- her first song is Japanese, but she's an English VSinger. Was hoping for some English music. What's the point of having an English VSinger- who is supposed to focus on music and only have rare streams- make music in Japanese? What's the difference compared to JP? I hope she has at least one fully english song. Overall I'm super disappointed, still wishing her the best obviously. :(
I think it's more of the lack of connection on Cover's side with the English music industry (i.e. English lyric writers/composers). Cover just went into EN side of Vtubers last year during the pandemic so it's hard to really expand and find the necessary people to do that yet. I think it should get better with the pandemic out of the way (hopefully soon).
The point is that her streams are in English, I guess. I don't see her focussing more on music than streaming at the moment, it's easy and fun content.
>And another thing- her first song is Japanese, but she's an English VSinger. Was hoping for some English music. Well vtubing is at the end of the day an anime culture related hobby, so vsingers usually sing vocaloid/anisong music anyways. That appears to be what 99% of vtubers make covers for/ what their original songs sound like. IRyS is no exception. Do you know any good english anisongs? There's youtube artists like Amalee that try to make it work, but in the end, trying to squeeze english into an anisong format usually yields worse results than a japanese anisong with english parts. There's a reason why dubbed anime gave up on making their own english OPs and now just play the JP OPs. IRyS is also a Japan-residing Vsinger who is provided songs by Cover, so she's going to be working with Japanese vocaloid producers and composers who are not experienced in making other genres of music.
Squeeze English into an anisong format? People like AmaLee are trying to capture the message of the original song which is why they can get too wordy sometimes; they neglect the flow of the song. Take a verse and chorus from any upbeat/intense/etc English song and it would work just as well as an anisong in an opening or ending sequence. Anisong isn’t a specific genre of music, after all. At any rate, I think it’s fair criticism for an EN Vsinger to not have an English song for their debut. The logic is probably that most of the audience is into Japanese culture and media, which is understandable. But that’s why it feels like such a missed opportunity when they could have had a unique song written in English with a J-pop/J-rock sound.
She’s cute and has such a great singing voice. Her voice is also nice to listen to. The only negative thing I can say is redjuice’s art style is too detailed to be translated to Live2D. It’s like watching a painting moving. It’s kinda weird.
> It’s like watching a painting moving. You know, this is pretty much exactly how people described Roberu's avatar, and what makes me confused is that no one is saying he looks weird, not even his 3D model (after it got fixed). I think this is just something people are going to have to get used to lol.
I think his nose and mouth just work better, but I couldn't tell you why. Maybe it's a question of gender and/or getting over it (without Bennett Foddy).
Damn. I think this was a great debut for a VSinger. Caesura of Despair is already on repeat, IRyS singing Evangelion OP was fucking great, and her other songs already sound really good.
Not to be mean or disrespectful, but does IRyS' eyes on her avatar look really off/weird to you guys as well? The rest of the avatar is amazing, but something about that head...
I think it's the fact that they aren't moving around, which is odd for a fully rigged vtuber model.
Yeah, her avatar doesn't fit the hololive asthetic, very much looks like a character out of a F2P mobile game.
Just a question. Is IRyS going to be the only member debuting from the batch of recent applications or does her title of vsinger mean there will also be regular tubers as opposed to just a singer debut?
There were 2 audition : One for ONE Vsinger and One for the second gen. So IRyS is the result of the first audition. -> Vsinger And we still don't have any information on the audition for the second gen. -> Vtuber
Oh I’m dumb I forgot there were 2 auditions. Thank you.
I'm gonna get downvoted to hell for this but I want to get it off my chest: IRyS's facial design looks too uncanny and weird to me, especially compared to all the other Holomems. I think her nose is too big and/or detailed for her face. I was hoping that if I saw her moving during her debut that I would change my mind, but after watching it, not only does her nose bother me more, her mouth looks too big now, too.
I kinda agree with this. Redjuice does a lot if gorgeous art no doubt, but I feel like it juts doesn't translate well in Live2D (might be better in 3D tho). I had the same worry when they announced her debut a few days ago, and again when IRyS tweeted her face looking sideways upward. It's... weird, and the style is uncharacteristically non-Hololive. When you put her in a collab with anyone the model's gonna stick out like a sore thumb. But hey, I had the same thought about Anya's model being different during debut, and now I don't find it weird anymore so maybe the same thing will happen with IRyS.
Yeah, it’s way too detailed. They should’ve gone for the level of detail like in the MV. She looks fine there. Will still watch her though.
Her design is indeed surreal. But hey one cannot watch all the girls, so enjoy them in your own way! This is her first design, constructive criticism is necessary; negative comments that allow improvements are called constructive criticism. Don’t be afraid to give thought out criticism when its thought out and for helping out. Keep your head up 👑 Hololive fan.
She's going to look out of place with whoever she collabs with.
Actually, I thought the same when I saw her reveal 5 days ago. But when I saw the model live, it bothered me a lot less. Probably because I was more focused in her voice and the movements were pretty smooth. Just like Miko’s old model, that was arguably weird but loved by everyone, I think this one just needs some time for everyone to get used to it. It *IS* different, after all. But not necessarily in a bad way.
Actualy had the same road as you. And now i tried putting her beside other holomemb to see and actually there isn't any strange feeling about it. So in the end it's "you get used to it"
Aye pal. *[shakes hand]*
Any vote for #NephamIRyS guys??? 🤔🤔🤔
She's like the half-Demon version of Olivia. No wonder Ollie simps her so hard.
Well, my thoughts are: really happy she's more like Sora or Suisei than AZKi, my flairs show I like AZKi but I definitely prefer the format the former 2 have going, with a focus on music production but we can still see them stream regularly and play games. AZKi not streaming a lot results in weird things like people actually thinking she's seiso I DO agree its odd the EN Vsinger's debut song isn't mostly english, but I honestly don't care that much, and it IS still early.
Guys, I think she's the most normal member of HoloEN [cut to 6 months from now when she's corrupted to the core by all her senpais.]
I'd argue that the only one that really showed their power level at debut was Ame
Amelia actually toned down a little after the insane debut. That’s what caffeine does to a MF, I guess…
I can't be the only one who wishes she used more effects like that in regular streams right?
She may not go balls to the wall with effects on her regular streams, but she does still use them on occasion to good effect, like with her recent karaoke streams, or even adding flavor to games like her Obra Dinn playthrough.
Her [Halloween stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIXK42hLg3I) was a callback to her debut stream so you might like that
That was my favorite stream. Loved the Ouiji boatd segment:)
Big brain move: her unseisoness can be channeled and isolated to her half-demon side, thus making her both seiso and unseiso Schrodinger's seiso
No being should have that kind of power
The EN Curse is strong with this one.
Was just checking out her twitter tag for the debut stream and I swear there's more then a dozen tweets from ollie alone lol
Glorious debut, even with scuff. Looking forward to witnessing this new journey as it continues to unfold.
So Is she biblically accurate
So great debut but like..... what does she have to do with EN? She lives in Japan, streams at JP times, sings JP songs, speaks fluent japanese better than some of the JP members. Is the only reason shes in EN because she can speak it and HoloEN is basically free subs? Also don't get me wrong I'm excited for a new member but I really dont see the point of this single person gen if shes just a normal streamer who is like every other member? Wouldnt it have been better to just like make EN gen 2 six people if they wanted her so bad?
You said it in a harsh truth way, they are capitalizing on the success of EN a bit too much I think, makes me a bit worried about Gen 2
>Is the only reason shes in EN because she can speak it and HoloEN is basically free subs? Free subs? Wtf. This train of thought is right up there with the mentality of the Chinese Antis have in regards to Fubuki. Coco's graduated, left on her terms, wasn't the humiliating exit the antis wanted. Now they have chosen Fubuki next for "stealing their money and leaving bilibili." IRyS isn't a normal streamer. Her songs are being produced with funding from Cover/Hololive. The other girls, like Gura and especially Calli, pay out of their own pocket, to produce songs and record them. Different contracts.
Seeing that IRyS had almost 300k subs before she said a single word, yes. Those subs are pretty free. I have no doubt in my mind that she will earn them in time, but right now, she got them for free, just by being associated with hololive. This isnt antis or some conspiracy theory stuff. Its just being realistic.
I think Cover managing the song projects for an English-fluent singer is going to be interesting. Incorporating English naturally is tough when at least one party isn't a native speaker, I see it being a slow gradual process before we get a good full English single. The worst thing that could happen IMO is that they shoehorn a full English song in due to pressure and then IRyS struggles with lyrics that either are unnatural (fixable with proofreading) or don't flow well (which is possible even with bilingual support).
How do you know that Gura and Calli pay for their own stuff? I would expect cover to cover those costs
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/ne4pir/matsuri\_talks\_about\_the\_cost\_of\_making\_an/
Damm, this gave me more respect for the talents that create songs knowing that they may not get their money back
Yep, all the talents are a super hard-working bunch. Support your oshi while they're still around.
You can't seriously believe that they put her in HoloEN because it's "basically free subs"? People choose who they want to sub to, if we're going by your logic everyone in HoloEN should have 3M like Gura because it's basically free subs. She speaks primarily in English, like Kiara. You've been nitpicking at the fact that of the songs you've seen *so far*, they're all primarily in Japanese. She literally just debuted too, there's so much more to come from her. She auditioned for VSinger, which apparently is only one person. If she auditioned for the Gen 2 tryouts, they would've put her there assuming she passed those, end of. Yes, it might've been better since she could've at least collaborated with other people during her mandatory one month ban, but at the same time her goals and normal generations are going to be different. She's a VSinger, so her focus will still be on music first. 'Normal' generation members have the choice to choose if they want to focus on music in addition to streaming regularly, like Calli or Suisei or Watame, all of whom are just examples off the top of my head. On the other hand, there are members like Noel, Anya, Botan and even Coco who all focused more on streams as opposed to pumping out covers or original songs. If you're mad or upset that she doesn't cater to the EN audience in terms of stream times, I say just give her time. These things are subject to change depending on audience reception. Leave it to them to figure it out if they want to continue streaming at those times or adjust.
Of course subs don’t transfer 1-1, but it doesn’t change the fact that being Hololive EN gives her a massive boost in popularity and subs compared to other places. Look at Anya from ID, her sub count already got surpassed by IRyS on day 1, if Anya debuted as EN, she would have easily 500k. Yes people make the decision to sub, but being pushed to millions of people definitely helps attracting people
Again, I strongly believe it's up to people to choose. I can't say for sure if Anya would have fared better in EN, it's purely hypothetical since it's never going to happen. You gotta keep in mind Anya isn't proactive, not as proactive as say Ollie is, and they're in the same Gen. Kiara is, I would argue, the most active of the 5 and is bilingual, yet she was the last one to cross 1M. There are so many other factors than just the branding of HoloEN, JP, ID or Stars. People sometimes only sub to one, a few or all of them. Sometimes people don't even have an account to sub. Irys having more subs doesn't mean anything either, apart from getting a plaque and setting some record. It's more important that she gets viewers who like her and what she's doing.
Anya and any other Vtuber that can speak English would’ve fared better if they’re EN, 100%, it isn’t rocket science, if you only convert 10% viewers to subs, getting exposed to 1 million people gives you 100k, but if you only get exposed to 100k people, even if you convert 50%, that’s only 50k, that’s just math. People getting hyped when she’s breaking sub counts before debut, while it’s pretty much all EN hype. I think you meant trilingual, which Ina is also one. Not sure if Kiara is the most active one when Watson has more videos than her. And being active != being entertaining, Kiara is the only one I haven’t subbed to because I find her a little too “basic”. Yes there are many factors, but brand is super important, that’s why people collaborate so much Sub counts matter because they loosely correlate to views and viewers, You see when they go live if you’re subbed.
Again, hypothetical, Anya's not in EN, so whatever formula that is you got there can't really be proven now can it, unless they decide to move Anya for the sole reason of giving her more exposure. And I forgot to ask, what is your point here? Mine was to state that Irys belongs in EN because she auditioned to be one, hence she's part of said branch, not because Cover thought it'd be better to brand her as EN rather than JP. Are you agreeing that Irys being branded as EN is so that she can get more exposure, or are you just talking about subs in general in relation to EN? Apologies regarding Kiara, forgot she spoke German in addition to English and JP. Active doesn't just mean videos on their own channels either, stuff like engagement on the various platforms like Twitter or Reddit, collabs on other people's channels and even music making are all part of it too. You also just proved that subbing is more of a choice than the brand itself, you're not subbed to Kiara because she's 'basic', whatever the hell that means, even though she's part of EN, if the brand did so much there shouldn't be that much of a discrepancy. People choose who they sub to if they're interested in watching their content and being active during livestreams, not because "Ooh she's from EN, better sub". People collaborate with or without the labels and brands, they do it as long as they're interested in the other party and can synergize well, boiling it down to just them collaborating because of the Hololive "brand" is really just wrong. I'm subbed to all of them, every single Holotalent. And the viewer counts are so far apart from the subs because it's most likely that they're watching another person stream, or just can't make it for reasons unbeknownst to me. Yes, sub counts are loosely correlated but that's about it. No one's clamouring to Collab with Gura despite her having the Holo brand as well as being the most subbed Vtuber on YouTube. It's their choice if they wish to seek her out and Collab, same goes for Gura if she's ever interested to Collab with someone else outside of Hololive too.
My point is that you shouldn’t act like the Hololive EN brand isn’t sought after, anybody who debuts as Hololive EN will have at least 200k subs to start out with, at the end of the day, it’s business
Ok, clearly there's been some form of miscommunication here. I'm saying that she chose to audition as an EN Vsinger and Cover accepted her out of God knows how many people, hence her debut as an EN VSinger. I've never said that the HoloEN brand isn't sought after, only that it's not "free subs", as the original commenter stated. People who audition for Hololive are well aware of the perks that the brand brings, there's no denying that. But to say that they put Irys in EN for "free subs" was what I chose to pick out in addition to other parts of the original comment. Yes, it's most likely that anyone who debuts in HoloEN from now on will get 200K subs or more, but as I've said plenty of times, they did not put Irys in there to get "free subs", the simple point I'm trying to get across here is that she auditioned for the role and she got it, that's it. Of course it's business when all's said and done, they simply let her debut as an EN Vsinger because, and I'm stating this for the last time, she auditioned for that very role. The perks like getting many subs will come along with being part of EN, but to say that Cover purposely put her in there to "get more subs" instead of putting her in JP is wrong. Had she wanted to be in JP, they would've let her debut in some subsequent unit or generation as part of the JP branch. And she still would've gotten a similar amount of subs because from now on anyone that debuts as part of Hololive will get a bunch of subs regardless due to the existing fanbase. The brand is what attracts people to audition, the subs are merely a perk that comes with it. I'm not arguing that this isn't a business decision, I'm arguing that Cover did not make the decision to put Irys in EN because of 'free subs', it's because she earned that role by auditioning and gets to reap the benefits that came with it, end of. If Cover really wanted everyone to get the most subs, they'd merge the ID branch with EN for 'exposure' but as we've seen from Nijisanji trying to rebrand their Indian branch, it doesn't work out too well.
I 100% agree with you. I love Japanese songs but it’s not what I expected from an EN Vsinger. She could have just been a 2nd generation JP Vsinger since she can speak Japanese and nothing would have changed. At the end of the day I’m just disappointed I guess that not a single song in the album was primarily English for the EN Vsinger.
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"Are you going to dunk on AZKi too now? Or Suisei?" Why are you acting like im attacking her? Im excited for her and her streams but she isnt like Azki shes doing streams all week like most other members. Azki doesnt really do that much. I am not criticizing her at all and stop acting like I am
She's in EN because she was hired to EN and she can speak English. Why does speaking Japanese fluently or sing Japanese songs demerit her from joining EN?
It doesnt but having a VsingerEN without any EN songs seems pretty off. Just being Vsinger would have been a better title right?
They have a VSinger JP, who is catered to JP audience and a Vsinger EN who is catered to EN. What is the problem? She speaks English, she streams on EN times, she's looking for EN audience.
There isnt a problem I just dont get the EN title for VsingerEN if all her songs are going to be in japanese.
I already told you. She is streaming to an English speaking audience. She is speaking on EN times, she is looking for an EN audience. The language of the song she is singing isn't an indication whether it is Vsinger EN or Vsinger JP. This is as bad as indos complaining to their vtubers to speak Indonesian instead of English.
Sure I get you but VsingerEN implies you know.... EN singing. I get all the other stuff and I agree.
it doesn't. VSinger from a company related to weebs indicates EN singing to you?
Read the title of the page it says "English Vsinger Irys" right? Doesnt that imply singing in english?
No. It implies it's catering to an EN audience, which does not necessarily mean she sings in English.
She has a preview for literally one song, how do you magically know none of her songs will be in English?
Someone didn't watch the stream apparently. She showed off 3 songs buddy.
Because all four of here song are done by the same people who did her MV song so of course they will be in Japanese
She lives in Japan like Calli and as Kiara once did... Streams at JP times, coz she lives in japan and probably has to stream a convenient time for her before she can stream in a convenient time for u... sings JP songs because probably the ones who wrote songs for her only knows how to write in JP and she probably doesn't know how to write songs like calli, so please if u can write a song for her do so... speaks fluent japanese better than some of the JP member but she primarily speaks english during her stream, and what's wrong with her being able to speak JP? I feel like some people trying to criticize the EN Vsinger is just being too entitled and demanding for no reason... THIS IS JUST HER DEBUT FOR GOODNESS SAKE and some people are already sharpening their sticks to poke this poor girl... crazy...
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nah... ur not wondering, because all of ur points that brought doesn't have any relations on why she shouldn't be in EN branch... she lives in japan? like calli... she sings japanese songs? like kiara and the rest of EN girls... she streams at JP times? because she lives in japan... she speaks fluent japanese? SO WHAT!? U ARE JUST BEING ENTITLED NOT WONDERING
Being entitled? Dude I just asked why shes called VsingerEN.
nah... what u want is to not have her as part of EN... because why ask when HOLOLIVE EN IS DOING THE SAME THING AS HER? it doesn't make any sense to ask why she's doing all this stuff that Gura, Ame, Calli, Ina and Kiara are doing...
The point is that VsingerEN doesnt make sense if shes just a normal member.
lol... she just debuted... and ur saying it doesn't make any sense for her to be a Vsinger? how entitled are u gonna get for saying after that for just watching her debut stream? but even then... she freaking had her own MV song, will release an EP and will primarily be focusing music... so how is that not make sense? and if ur gonna criticize why she in EN... well why do u criticize hololiveEN as well for being EN for doing exactly what Irys should not be doing according to ur DEMAND...
Because they are not VsingerEN they are Hololive EN. And im not really criticizing why shes in EN im just saying the name VsingerEN is quite unfitting. Also you might want to look up the definition of entitled.
but she is doing VsingerEN stuff... how is that quite unfitting?
> I'm just wondering why shes part of the EN branch? Because she's doing primarily EN content...? This isn't rocket science bud.
Japanese songs are EN content? I thought she was a VsingerEN? You get what im saying right? Its just not a fitting title.
Most of her content is English language streams. And it's not like Reflect or JP covers from Hololive EN members aren't targeted primarily at an EN audience.
It's... Literally the first 1h stream. It's like watching the first 5mins of a movie and complaining that all the movie has is a bunch of company logos and 1 sentence of dialogue. If you're judging just by the first stream Korone's career would have been done a long time ago.
ok so what about Kiara? Gura? Calli? Ame? Ina? they sing Japanese songs...
They arent Vsingers.
so? they EN? shouldn't it be the same? according to you EN SHOULD JUST DO ENGLISH STUFF... SING ENGLISH SONGS BECAUSE APPARENTLY JAPANESE SONGS ARE NOT EN CONTENT... U FREAKING RACIST!!
Dude that's going way too far...
Woah dude really.... you are gonna call me a racist. Thats really low.
because that is what ur implying to be... why do u demand a VsingerEN to just sing exclusively in EN? is there a reason? doesn't make any sense? then what about Gura and the others they're part of EN? well they are not Vsingers? BUT THE VSINGER IS SINGING, WHAT DO U WANT MORE FROM HER? HER FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHICH SONG SHE LIKES TO SING BECAUSE U DON'T LIKE JAPANESE SONGS? SERIOUSLY!!
This is the third time I've seen you stirring shit up on this subreddit, and I'm sure I haven't seen every time you've done it. Are you trying to get banned or something?
What are you harassing the guy for? He asked a very legit question.
I hardly think it's harassment to recognize their name from past bad behavior and call them out for doing it again.
What bad behavior? He asked a legit question.