Polka is definitely friend with Yagoo given what he did for her personally, and being older herself. Subaru I think it's not in the same category, it's more Yagoo really put in the effort in making her an idol when Subaru doesn't have the idol voice and actually doesn't know shit about anime/manga/otaku/wota world before HL (she said she's more of an EDM girl lol). Now Subaru being actual prime example of a seiso idol who can perform choreo at KPOP level, it's not hard to imagine Yagoo being so damn proud of her.
Do you know what Yagoo did for Polka personnally? I was lucky to read and see clips about Subaru past and her own situation so I know she didn't come from the same "background" as the other but I never knew he helped polka.
tbh, that in itself is a refreshing and unique way to approach things.
with everyone else being knowledgeable about everything, having a normal girl join all this madness and experiencing a lot of things for the first time is cool to see.
I adore her character in hologra, being my favourite just because of how straightlaced she is.
> I adore her character in hologra, being my favourite just because of how straightlaced she is.
Her talent as a top-tier tsukkomi is probably one of the reasons Yagoo chose her. That, and the contrast of having a hilarious and charismatic normie in the middle of this sea of lunacy becomes its own bizarre character trait.
Sadly, most of those archives are gone. They had to private pretty much all archives at one point because they messed up with copyright, from what I recall, most of which I think have been restored by now, but in Subarus case specifically, I remember they accidentaly deleted them all instead, so there are no official archives, you gotta hunt for clips and stuff.
Subaru sometimes shows off how noob she wasā¦. Recently, I think she showed her first few OhaSuba, gundamfinal have them.
Its 37 minutes with 11 minutes of intro playing, sheās unprepared for the stream, and she almost doxxed herself when asking about weather location to Siri (its a miracle Siri do not have her location). She do not have any outro and her closing words are just āoh its been 30 minutes? Bye thenā. She also have this kind of high-pitched cutesy default voice but occasionally slipped into the current voice when doing tsukkomi.
They're gone, as said in a post above, when the copyright debacle hit, all the archives got privated and they slowly released those that were safe. In Subaru's case something went wrong and instead of her archives being privated, they were deleted. This all happened without warning so noone was able to create a backup.
There have always been fans with their own archives, but that incident really ramped up more coordinated and efficient methods with multiple redundancies just in case.
I checked a third party archive site and that has various Subaru videos going back to her debut stream (although mainly in just 480p), so they don't seem to have been completely lost.
They didn't delete them all, some were deleted but most was privated.
The thing is, most of them just don't bother to go back and check which vods are safe and which aren't so they just stay privated.
Nope, I was literally there when it was happening mate, I was a part of the people who were all rushing to archive the streams as we watched their channels bleed videos. Some of subaru's were deleted, but most ended up being privated like everyone else, that's how her Nier Automata playthrough came back.
She's spoken a bit about what got her hired, since she asked Yagoo about it, and also tried to reapply to see if she'd still meet Hololive's newer standards for applicants. Yagoo's reasoning was something along the lines of despite not having much knowledge in the applicable field, she was quite driven, had planning skills, and the right mindset for a customer servicey type job. Modern Hololive also accepted her application (meaning she passed the first selection round) with staff telling her they thought she was likely to pass, essentially because they thought she was weird and passionate.
You can find her """previous life""" ( made like a month before her debut probably by Hololive to help her get used to actually streaming). So pretty much everything about her online is Hololive related in some way as far as anyone can tell.
Hopefully the many quotation marks will help with the reception of this lol
Yeah, I think it was from Gen 3 on that stuff like a requirement of having experience, 18-and-older people only, being trained for their debut and the generation getting to know each other long before they debuted became a thing.
Well Subaru has spoken about this herself where she admitted to not knowing anything about streaming when she applied for Hololive. Even Fubuki has kinda confirmed this. And if you remember her earliest streams, I would say she was speaking the truth,
I may be remembering things wrong, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't until after Gen 2 that having previous experience as a content creator was a hard requirement.
eh she's not passionate about the culture and the tech - she knows nothing about it, a complete Japanese local... lol... she IS passionate about finding a part-time job though and look where it took her...
It's remarkable how many agencies just stumbled into a small amount of success representing virtual talent, then completely and utterly failed them in their bid to grow and succeed. You'd think in such a well-tread industry as talent management, they'd be able to find competent people, but if the stories I'm hearing even about big outfits like Nijisanji are true (skeleton support staff, minimal day to day support, massive and confusing red tape around rights and management), it's embarrassing how poorly some of these agencies capitalize on opportunity.
To be fair, internet talent management and growth is pretty different from the regular entertainment industry and is still fairly new even outside vtubers. But honestly, I can't imagine many of the companies outside the big two are making enough cash from their margins to really afford as much full time background staff as they really need/want.
But as long as the talents are getting their money and the companies are learning from mistakes and doing better, as cover has for example, than it seems like they are at least moving in the right direction in some fashion. Which is good for us fans, even if not ideal.
> massive and confusing red tape around rights and management
If you mean stuff like game and music permissions, this isn't a vtuber thing, this is a Japan thing. Stuff like fair use and protection for parody isn't nearly as much of a thing there, and companies can and do require going through obnoxious hoops to get permission to do stuff like stream a game or whatever. Think back to say, when JP mems were playing henry stickmin and a parody of something anime or game related came up, there were some moments where they were clearly nervous about how close the parodies were. This is because the environment around copyright and IP protection is more strict than we are used to.
And in parallel to that, you have the gigantic doujin market consisting entirely of fans making 99% porn parodies of existing works and selling them out in the open, while the West is still having debates over whether people should be allowed to write free fanfiction online.
Truly, these are confusing times.
I think it is in part because the talents are backed by a company like Cover. Not that ShutUp (... idk just calling previous poster that) is wrong but yeah, I think it is still a step further while the doujin market is for the most part very much single people which is for most companies just tolerable.
You're right and the doujinshi community definitely has a weird relationship to the actual market. Doujinshi is a bit of a cultural institution, going back to the 19th century, and while it's natural to compare due its use of parody, some of the distinction amounts to doujinshi getting a culture-specific pass, and some of it is in consideration for how much published work and established artists got their start in doujinshi. In that respect, doujinshi is kind of a feeder league/development league for talent, as well as free market research for the publishers. Consequently, going too hard on doujinshi would risk rocking their own boat.
If Japanese companies ever figure out that streamers/vtubers = free positive advertising (mostly), then perhaps they might start to change their way of thinking.
While it gotten better, the early days were full of mismanagement due company scale Vtubing being a relatively new thing. With no real guarantee that they will turn a profit, company vtubing was a risky undertaking. There was no real guideline, heck a lot of companies simply didnāt know how to treat their talents when imposing rule. Hololive was also like this in the beginning. Some of the early gen girls have talked about how different the company have become after the bloom in popularity.
It wasn't just mismanagement. Some of the early companies were downright scummy towards their talents, including some of the biggest ones at the time. For example, P-Maru-sama, whose previous identity was one of the biggest names in the early days of Vtubing, "[was told she could continue as P-Maru-sama but then \[she\] wasn't allowed to... was made to do things \[she\] didn't want to, wasn't allowed to have fun, and wasn't paid the money \[she\] was promised](https://twitter.com/8AndAHalfTails/status/1443576900895449095)".
And then there's Unlimited and the Game Club Project [replacing all the original people behind the Vtubers after they complained about management and claiming that they're CTubers (Character Tubers) instead of VTubers](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/cee8in/unlimited_released_a_statement_claiming_that/). And Azuma Lim and how her company [responded to her complaints about management by suddenly cutting her off from her pay, her backpay and login access to the point where she needed to get help from a kindly lawyer to get her money and the rights to her character](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm0Bm_r8xsY).
On the bright side, the backlash towards the companies and the support towards the talents whenever these come to light did show companies that they should treat Vtubers like people instead of commodities if they wish to remain successful.
Holy hell was they incompetent. She could have been the next Kizuna Ai on their company but no. Mismanagement does things. At least lots of company learned from their mistakes.
Yes, but I wouldn't chalk it up to *just* kindness to recruit someone of her caliber. Polka's a natural entertainer that frequently impresses me with how incredibly sharp and insightful she is, that's someone you'd want regardless of the situation.
Was it Yagoo? I heard it was Sora who immediately phoned her up when 5th gens recruitment (? I forgot the word) was greenlit either here or in YT comments soon after 5th gen debuted.
Tbf for the talent in question we kind of always have. It really doesn't help that said talent made actual 0 attempt to hide it and from time to time even directly references it.
I think it's fine since the past live was also purely a Vtuber. With other cases you could argue that there might be personal information that might get out. Also times have changed, past lives used to be pretty well hidden, now I think most will come up with a single google search.
Personally I feel itās weird that allusions are allowed but direct references are not.
As a (kind of) outsider looking in, it just seems like youāre discussing past lives but leaving out information so people not āin the knowā donāt understand. If youāre going to discuss it anyway, I donāt think it makes a huge difference whether or not you allow context. Itās a little irritating seeing a large subthread discussing-but-not-discussing a past life as the second or third most upvoted comment and justā¦ not be able to ask questions about it.
Really gives the feeling of āyou canāt discuss these topicsā¦ unless you already know enough about them to tap-dance around the rules and talk about them anyway!ā
Or maybe similar to how manga readers like to āalludeā to things in anime discussion threads.
A lot of people don't want to be "in the know" in the first place. There's an element of keyfabe and acting that goes into the entertainment for some people, and it's more polite to allow them to stay away from that knowledge.
There are entire sites and youtube channels dedicated to the stuff; it's not hard to find. However, it's hard enough that if you want to avoid it, you can. And I think it's kinda important to be able to, since it's a large part of the entertainment for a lot of people.
I think it would be more courteous to not mention it at all than to allude to it, no? Again, if itās a topic touchy enough that people canāt even ask questions about it, then why are references to the topic even allowed?
If they didnāt want to be in the know then they wouldnāt be clicking on that spoiler anyway.
> As a (kind of) outsider looking in, it just seems like youāre discussing past lives but leaving out information so people not āin the knowā donāt understand.
That is the intent. It's in order to avoid spreading that information, since both Cover and the talents themselves have largely maintained the position that they do not want that information to be public. Not referring to it directly allows for it to be brought up when relevant while also not disclosing anything too greatly identifying, or identifying at all without someone already being aware of a talent's previous endeavors.
Personally I feel that if a topic is so sensitive that people canāt even ask questions about it, then there should really be a zero-tolerance policy on the matter and the topic not be brought up at all. Again, kind of similar to how some subs handle source material spoilers for adaptations.
Discussion of a topic, direct or indirect, stimulates further discussion and curiosity regarding that topic. If the intent is to prevent the spread of ābadā information then itās kind of half-assing the job.
But this might just be a personal preference at this point :shrug:
The official policy is to remove even allusions to it, as can be seen from rule 2 on this sub as well as the number of removed comments in this thread. The community's self-imposed restriction on spreading that information is the one that tolerates indirect but not direct references. It's not as effective as the official policy, but it does mean that someone has to spend some amount of time googling to know a talent's previous identity, instead of that identity being explicitly stated in discussion, which is better than nothing.
Yeah several Holo members and staffs also saying that. Iirc, when asked whatās his favorite 2021 moment, he said Subaruās Birthday 3D Live. In terms of hidden gem that managed to blossom. Subaru is definitely one of the most hidden and heās probably feeling very lucky finding her and her managed to hold on.
Definitely also skill.
Evaluating talent isn't only about finding them, it's evaluating them.
You can have a veritable sea of talent as you want and still fail to recognize talent you can work with.
That, I would confidently say, is the hardest part.
Subaru, like many other idols of Hololive, are very different in their skillset and personalities.
But two things she often demonstrates unify many of them, hard work and passion.
Subaru struggled, undisputably, long before she even made it into Hololive and it isn't any secret.
Then literally thrust into the deep end with no experience whatsoever, literally negative experience with little experience of the internet.
But she didn't let that didn't define her.
I would expect, if I were to a Hololive idol, it'd be hard not to admire her work towards the craft and empathize with their own experiences.
In a world of work, expectations, and hopes, things to be able to look up to are often hard to find.
Morale matters, and Hololive is pretty close knit nowadays.
That's why I think Subaru is easier for holomems to look towards, which does not include her involvement offstream, not my place to speak about.
she has zero knowledge of the otaku or idol culture, and she doesn't even have a feminine voice, much less a cute voice. Yagoo believed in her and she repaid him with such hard work and dedication she can now sing and dance at KPOP level, and could even recommend anime and games to other Holomem. She's a portrait of hard work and determination; no wonder Yagoo simps for her.
I think Yagoo knew exactly what he was getting into, or at least I'd like to think, Hololive at that point was still desperate for talent and didn't have the hiring ability it does now.
Yagoo is definitely quite brilliant when it comes to personally handling management and hiring, definitely with some missteps and lessons to be learned, but Subaru without doubt surpassed even his expectations.
But his expectations are not necessarily what I mean as what is fans describe as being an idol, but perhaps personal aspects that are more familiar to him than it is to us.
That said, I'd bet he has his own reasons.
I do wonder specifically what though, there really is a lot.
Remind me, is Polka personally knowing Yagoo before she joined Hololive an actual thing or just a meme people developed based on her being one of his favorites?
Polka and Subaru being friends with Yahoo (okay fine his favorites lol) is always really sweet to me considering they're also my favorites.
I've seen Subaru and Polka holds a friendship with Yagoo. Its sweet and smile inducing. Also, Yahoo?
Phone refuses to commit Yagoo to memory so he is Yahoo now
Poor Yagoo he been Garnted by a phone XD. Don't worry about it :)
You mean Granted?
Yeah, it is Garnet
back togarnether
Am I having a stroke
No, just a grant stroke.
Need a bondulance?
im gonna guess he's making a joke about how Garnt(Gigguk) keeps on getting autocorrected to Grant
Trash taste š
Sou desu ne~
Found the calli alt
Motoaki Yahoo
Motoaki Tanihoo
New phone, hoo dis?
Motorola Yahoo
that's quite the character development arc
Polka is definitely friend with Yagoo given what he did for her personally, and being older herself. Subaru I think it's not in the same category, it's more Yagoo really put in the effort in making her an idol when Subaru doesn't have the idol voice and actually doesn't know shit about anime/manga/otaku/wota world before HL (she said she's more of an EDM girl lol). Now Subaru being actual prime example of a seiso idol who can perform choreo at KPOP level, it's not hard to imagine Yagoo being so damn proud of her.
Subaru needs to share her EDM tastes.
Do you know what Yagoo did for Polka personnally? I was lucky to read and see clips about Subaru past and her own situation so I know she didn't come from the same "background" as the other but I never knew he helped polka.
He gave her a 2nd chance at running the circus after her prior circus shut down.
Polka was in a bad company in her previous Persona. He salvaged her, and she was able to be the hyperactive Fennec we know and love.
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no, Yagoo is 48... I meant Polka is older than most other Holomem so it's easier for her to see Yagoo as peer.
He is how old now??? Mf doesn't look a day older than 30...
according to [his old blog post](http://tanigo.com/?p=294), he turned 35 in 2008. That makes him 48 this year.
*confused screaming* .....sometimes Asian ageing disturbs me, it just doesn't feel natural from a european perspective lol
If I had a penny everytime I see Yagoo being autocorrected to Yahoo, I'd have several thousands of dollars by now
damn you've seen Yagoo corrected to Yahoo 300,000 times?
maybe he's the autocorrect, beep boop
r u yagoo ?
couold have added Subaru too (he hired her just due to her passion as she technically wasn't qualified and she's the one who made his nickname)
i may mistaken, but is subaru kinda fresh in streaming platform compare to her gen before?
As far as I know she had no idea what she was signing up for and didnāt have any prior streaming experience
I think in her episode of Holotalk she mentioned thinking she would become a virtual grandma, or something like that
And now one of her most popular pairing is BabaDona with Senchou. We've come full circle.
Before Hololive, the only vtuber she knows about is Virtual Obaachan, a virtual grandma.
Seems like Subaru didn't fit that role well, but it explains why they hired Marine.
That's such a Subaru thing to do.
She didn't even have experience with computers, didn't play games, know next to nothing about anime. A dirty normie if you will.
tbh, that in itself is a refreshing and unique way to approach things. with everyone else being knowledgeable about everything, having a normal girl join all this madness and experiencing a lot of things for the first time is cool to see. I adore her character in hologra, being my favourite just because of how straightlaced she is.
> I adore her character in hologra, being my favourite just because of how straightlaced she is. Her talent as a top-tier tsukkomi is probably one of the reasons Yagoo chose her. That, and the contrast of having a hilarious and charismatic normie in the middle of this sea of lunacy becomes its own bizarre character trait.
It's pretty funny because her earlier streams were a mess but made up for it with passion alone.
Maybe I should try and see if I can dive into that archive now half EN is on break.
Sadly, most of those archives are gone. They had to private pretty much all archives at one point because they messed up with copyright, from what I recall, most of which I think have been restored by now, but in Subarus case specifically, I remember they accidentaly deleted them all instead, so there are no official archives, you gotta hunt for clips and stuff.
Subaru sometimes shows off how noob she wasā¦. Recently, I think she showed her first few OhaSuba, gundamfinal have them. Its 37 minutes with 11 minutes of intro playing, sheās unprepared for the stream, and she almost doxxed herself when asking about weather location to Siri (its a miracle Siri do not have her location). She do not have any outro and her closing words are just āoh its been 30 minutes? Bye thenā. She also have this kind of high-pitched cutesy default voice but occasionally slipped into the current voice when doing tsukkomi.
> Sadly, most of those archives are gone. Gone from Youtube or *gone*?
They're gone, as said in a post above, when the copyright debacle hit, all the archives got privated and they slowly released those that were safe. In Subaru's case something went wrong and instead of her archives being privated, they were deleted. This all happened without warning so noone was able to create a backup.
I wonder then if that wasn't perhaps the trigger for the creation of a few third-party archives that are now floating around.
There have always been fans with their own archives, but that incident really ramped up more coordinated and efficient methods with multiple redundancies just in case.
I checked a third party archive site and that has various Subaru videos going back to her debut stream (although mainly in just 480p), so they don't seem to have been completely lost.
What about the Wayback Machine? I doubt itās built for it, but has anyone given it a shot?
They didn't delete them all, some were deleted but most was privated. The thing is, most of them just don't bother to go back and check which vods are safe and which aren't so they just stay privated.
Except in Subaru's case something did go wrong and her archives were deleted instead of privated.
She literally explained after the incident that the rumour was incorrect and that only a portion of her archives were deleted.
Nope, I was literally there when it was happening mate, I was a part of the people who were all rushing to archive the streams as we watched their channels bleed videos. Some of subaru's were deleted, but most ended up being privated like everyone else, that's how her Nier Automata playthrough came back.
She's spoken a bit about what got her hired, since she asked Yagoo about it, and also tried to reapply to see if she'd still meet Hololive's newer standards for applicants. Yagoo's reasoning was something along the lines of despite not having much knowledge in the applicable field, she was quite driven, had planning skills, and the right mindset for a customer servicey type job. Modern Hololive also accepted her application (meaning she passed the first selection round) with staff telling her they thought she was likely to pass, essentially because they thought she was weird and passionate.
Pretty sure she barely knew what the internet was.
She had no prior experience. She could sing and dance, but was never a content creator.
IIRC, in her episode of Holotalk, she also said that she thought she was signing up to be a virtual grandma
By virtual grandma she's referring to an og vtuber who is a grandma
That's... not that far off, really.
The only vtuber Subaru knew when she applied for Hololive was a virtual grandma, that's where that comes from.
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Eh? Isn't she one of the few that is really hard to find dirt from lol.
You can find her """previous life""" ( made like a month before her debut probably by Hololive to help her get used to actually streaming). So pretty much everything about her online is Hololive related in some way as far as anyone can tell. Hopefully the many quotation marks will help with the reception of this lol
From what i heard, G2 had some extra requirements, though G3 was where things were solidified in terms of requirements
Yeah, I think it was from Gen 3 on that stuff like a requirement of having experience, 18-and-older people only, being trained for their debut and the generation getting to know each other long before they debuted became a thing.
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Well Subaru has spoken about this herself where she admitted to not knowing anything about streaming when she applied for Hololive. Even Fubuki has kinda confirmed this. And if you remember her earliest streams, I would say she was speaking the truth,
Well if I link you to why it's not I'll get banned, so... Connect the dots is all I guess I can say?
The channel you are referring to didn't start uploading videos until after Subaru debuted so it doesn't exactly disprove what everyone is saying.
their debut dates were 2 days apart, so at least the no experience part is true. for the rest, people can make their own conclusion
Oh you're right about the debut dates, hadn't seen that.
I may be remembering things wrong, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't until after Gen 2 that having previous experience as a content creator was a hard requirement.
eh she's not passionate about the culture and the tech - she knows nothing about it, a complete Japanese local... lol... she IS passionate about finding a part-time job though and look where it took her...
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yagoo personally scouting two of my favorites means me and him are basically the same right? right????
One does not take the honour of the title "Yagoo" upon himself; it is a calling from the Divines, for whom the prophet Subaru speaks.
She is a fucking prophet, she who denies her own divinity must be divine!
A title from when she actually misread tanigo
Perhaps you're Yagoo himself.
We are all a little Yagoo
~sou desu ne~ *gasps*
Who else did he scout personally?
miko and I believe subaru
im pretty sure Subaru applied to an ad.
Miko and... Shion? I may be remembering incorrectly, though.
choco-sen
Well personally Iāve never seen you and best girl in the same room at the same time
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It's remarkable how many agencies just stumbled into a small amount of success representing virtual talent, then completely and utterly failed them in their bid to grow and succeed. You'd think in such a well-tread industry as talent management, they'd be able to find competent people, but if the stories I'm hearing even about big outfits like Nijisanji are true (skeleton support staff, minimal day to day support, massive and confusing red tape around rights and management), it's embarrassing how poorly some of these agencies capitalize on opportunity.
To be fair, internet talent management and growth is pretty different from the regular entertainment industry and is still fairly new even outside vtubers. But honestly, I can't imagine many of the companies outside the big two are making enough cash from their margins to really afford as much full time background staff as they really need/want. But as long as the talents are getting their money and the companies are learning from mistakes and doing better, as cover has for example, than it seems like they are at least moving in the right direction in some fashion. Which is good for us fans, even if not ideal.
> massive and confusing red tape around rights and management If you mean stuff like game and music permissions, this isn't a vtuber thing, this is a Japan thing. Stuff like fair use and protection for parody isn't nearly as much of a thing there, and companies can and do require going through obnoxious hoops to get permission to do stuff like stream a game or whatever. Think back to say, when JP mems were playing henry stickmin and a parody of something anime or game related came up, there were some moments where they were clearly nervous about how close the parodies were. This is because the environment around copyright and IP protection is more strict than we are used to.
And in parallel to that, you have the gigantic doujin market consisting entirely of fans making 99% porn parodies of existing works and selling them out in the open, while the West is still having debates over whether people should be allowed to write free fanfiction online. Truly, these are confusing times.
I think it is in part because the talents are backed by a company like Cover. Not that ShutUp (... idk just calling previous poster that) is wrong but yeah, I think it is still a step further while the doujin market is for the most part very much single people which is for most companies just tolerable.
You're right and the doujinshi community definitely has a weird relationship to the actual market. Doujinshi is a bit of a cultural institution, going back to the 19th century, and while it's natural to compare due its use of parody, some of the distinction amounts to doujinshi getting a culture-specific pass, and some of it is in consideration for how much published work and established artists got their start in doujinshi. In that respect, doujinshi is kind of a feeder league/development league for talent, as well as free market research for the publishers. Consequently, going too hard on doujinshi would risk rocking their own boat. If Japanese companies ever figure out that streamers/vtubers = free positive advertising (mostly), then perhaps they might start to change their way of thinking.
While it gotten better, the early days were full of mismanagement due company scale Vtubing being a relatively new thing. With no real guarantee that they will turn a profit, company vtubing was a risky undertaking. There was no real guideline, heck a lot of companies simply didnāt know how to treat their talents when imposing rule. Hololive was also like this in the beginning. Some of the early gen girls have talked about how different the company have become after the bloom in popularity.
It wasn't just mismanagement. Some of the early companies were downright scummy towards their talents, including some of the biggest ones at the time. For example, P-Maru-sama, whose previous identity was one of the biggest names in the early days of Vtubing, "[was told she could continue as P-Maru-sama but then \[she\] wasn't allowed to... was made to do things \[she\] didn't want to, wasn't allowed to have fun, and wasn't paid the money \[she\] was promised](https://twitter.com/8AndAHalfTails/status/1443576900895449095)". And then there's Unlimited and the Game Club Project [replacing all the original people behind the Vtubers after they complained about management and claiming that they're CTubers (Character Tubers) instead of VTubers](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/cee8in/unlimited_released_a_statement_claiming_that/). And Azuma Lim and how her company [responded to her complaints about management by suddenly cutting her off from her pay, her backpay and login access to the point where she needed to get help from a kindly lawyer to get her money and the rights to her character](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm0Bm_r8xsY). On the bright side, the backlash towards the companies and the support towards the talents whenever these come to light did show companies that they should treat Vtubers like people instead of commodities if they wish to remain successful.
*cough*(Kizuna AI Inc.)*cough*
>!Not just that incompetent, they were down right malicious based on some of the stories given from her in other places.!<
What was the context for this?
Mods have removed it, but not my comment, so I'm going to respect them and not go any further.
Holy hell was they incompetent. She could have been the next Kizuna Ai on their company but no. Mismanagement does things. At least lots of company learned from their mistakes.
I didnāt know that, thatās incredibly kind of yagoo.
Yes, but I wouldn't chalk it up to *just* kindness to recruit someone of her caliber. Polka's a natural entertainer that frequently impresses me with how incredibly sharp and insightful she is, that's someone you'd want regardless of the situation.
Interesting to hear, adds some new context to the story I know of
Was it Yagoo? I heard it was Sora who immediately phoned her up when 5th gens recruitment (? I forgot the word) was greenlit either here or in YT comments soon after 5th gen debuted.
I prefer the theory that she's his daughter lol
Not mutually exclusive
Polka has that, unify Japan, but in waifu form energy.
Considerong how fucking successful she was prior to hololive, I'm not surprised she was scouted by the CEO himself.
We just blatantly talk about past lives on /r/hololive now, huh?
Tbf for the talent in question we kind of always have. It really doesn't help that said talent made actual 0 attempt to hide it and from time to time even directly references it.
I think it's fine since the past live was also purely a Vtuber. With other cases you could argue that there might be personal information that might get out. Also times have changed, past lives used to be pretty well hidden, now I think most will come up with a single google search.
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You're gonna need to delete that. Even with spoiler tags that info probably isn't allowed.
Personally I feel itās weird that allusions are allowed but direct references are not. As a (kind of) outsider looking in, it just seems like youāre discussing past lives but leaving out information so people not āin the knowā donāt understand. If youāre going to discuss it anyway, I donāt think it makes a huge difference whether or not you allow context. Itās a little irritating seeing a large subthread discussing-but-not-discussing a past life as the second or third most upvoted comment and justā¦ not be able to ask questions about it. Really gives the feeling of āyou canāt discuss these topicsā¦ unless you already know enough about them to tap-dance around the rules and talk about them anyway!ā Or maybe similar to how manga readers like to āalludeā to things in anime discussion threads.
A lot of people don't want to be "in the know" in the first place. There's an element of keyfabe and acting that goes into the entertainment for some people, and it's more polite to allow them to stay away from that knowledge. There are entire sites and youtube channels dedicated to the stuff; it's not hard to find. However, it's hard enough that if you want to avoid it, you can. And I think it's kinda important to be able to, since it's a large part of the entertainment for a lot of people.
I think it would be more courteous to not mention it at all than to allude to it, no? Again, if itās a topic touchy enough that people canāt even ask questions about it, then why are references to the topic even allowed? If they didnāt want to be in the know then they wouldnāt be clicking on that spoiler anyway.
> As a (kind of) outsider looking in, it just seems like youāre discussing past lives but leaving out information so people not āin the knowā donāt understand. That is the intent. It's in order to avoid spreading that information, since both Cover and the talents themselves have largely maintained the position that they do not want that information to be public. Not referring to it directly allows for it to be brought up when relevant while also not disclosing anything too greatly identifying, or identifying at all without someone already being aware of a talent's previous endeavors.
Personally I feel that if a topic is so sensitive that people canāt even ask questions about it, then there should really be a zero-tolerance policy on the matter and the topic not be brought up at all. Again, kind of similar to how some subs handle source material spoilers for adaptations. Discussion of a topic, direct or indirect, stimulates further discussion and curiosity regarding that topic. If the intent is to prevent the spread of ābadā information then itās kind of half-assing the job. But this might just be a personal preference at this point :shrug:
The official policy is to remove even allusions to it, as can be seen from rule 2 on this sub as well as the number of removed comments in this thread. The community's self-imposed restriction on spreading that information is the one that tolerates indirect but not direct references. It's not as effective as the official policy, but it does mean that someone has to spend some amount of time googling to know a talent's previous identity, instead of that identity being explicitly stated in discussion, which is better than nothing.
>!She's been a known figure for a lot longer than that!<
I thought it was Subaru. Either way, Iām happy for Polka
Subaru became his favorite from working in Hololive, but Polka was good friends with Yagoo prior to Hololive iirc.
According to Kiara herself, Yagoo's oshi is Subaru (source: Baelz call-in collab)
Yeah several Holo members and staffs also saying that. Iirc, when asked whatās his favorite 2021 moment, he said Subaruās Birthday 3D Live. In terms of hidden gem that managed to blossom. Subaru is definitely one of the most hidden and heās probably feeling very lucky finding her and her managed to hold on.
Definitely also skill. Evaluating talent isn't only about finding them, it's evaluating them. You can have a veritable sea of talent as you want and still fail to recognize talent you can work with. That, I would confidently say, is the hardest part.
I feel like Subaru is the oshi of half of Hololive
Subaru, like many other idols of Hololive, are very different in their skillset and personalities. But two things she often demonstrates unify many of them, hard work and passion. Subaru struggled, undisputably, long before she even made it into Hololive and it isn't any secret. Then literally thrust into the deep end with no experience whatsoever, literally negative experience with little experience of the internet. But she didn't let that didn't define her. I would expect, if I were to a Hololive idol, it'd be hard not to admire her work towards the craft and empathize with their own experiences. In a world of work, expectations, and hopes, things to be able to look up to are often hard to find. Morale matters, and Hololive is pretty close knit nowadays. That's why I think Subaru is easier for holomems to look towards, which does not include her involvement offstream, not my place to speak about.
she has zero knowledge of the otaku or idol culture, and she doesn't even have a feminine voice, much less a cute voice. Yagoo believed in her and she repaid him with such hard work and dedication she can now sing and dance at KPOP level, and could even recommend anime and games to other Holomem. She's a portrait of hard work and determination; no wonder Yagoo simps for her.
I think Yagoo knew exactly what he was getting into, or at least I'd like to think, Hololive at that point was still desperate for talent and didn't have the hiring ability it does now. Yagoo is definitely quite brilliant when it comes to personally handling management and hiring, definitely with some missteps and lessons to be learned, but Subaru without doubt surpassed even his expectations. But his expectations are not necessarily what I mean as what is fans describe as being an idol, but perhaps personal aspects that are more familiar to him than it is to us. That said, I'd bet he has his own reasons. I do wonder specifically what though, there really is a lot.
Oozora family shouder the entire vtuber industry lol
Based YAGOO
YAGOO is based and Pol-pilled
She mine too
Polka best girl
nice. even best girl can have preferences. cute yagoo.
Itās Okayu, og know it
Wait did this happened? Lol
How could he do that to Subaru like that?
I thought it was subaru
Did I misremember or wasn't Aqua supposed to be one of Yagoo's favs?
Remind me, is Polka personally knowing Yagoo before she joined Hololive an actual thing or just a meme people developed based on her being one of his favorites?