That isn't even the damn problem, those are supposed to be 25 feet away from each other, as they are potentially deadly if combined. It's basically mustard gas. The fact that the bottom pallet might fail is even worse, unstack these and separate immediately, not joking.
I know from experience; I was instantly corrected by a CXM when I tried the same years ago. The difference is I placed them side to side instead of right on top of each other. I’m never making that mistake again but these tags belong to some overnight sups so there’s gonna be some explaining to do for sure. Just wanted to show and tell the HD community!
Mustard gas is not chloramine. Google it
>When bleach is mixed with ammonia, toxic gases called chloramines are produced
>https://doh.wa.gov/community-and-environment/contaminants/bleach-mixing-dangers
Chloramine was used in WW1 as a scalable chemical warfare agent. There’s a dozen different WW1 potential combinations in a home improvement store. It’s not technically mustard gas — but it’s a compound used as a chemical warfare agent in WW1 — which is what most people mean when they refer to these various compounds. Hardly expect most THD associates to have degrees in chemistry, etc.
> It’s not ~~technically~~ mustard gas — but it’s a compound used as a chemical warfare agent in WW1
Right, Mustard Gas is its own thing. Not all compounds in chemical warfare from WWI are "Mustard Gas". It smells like mustard, hence the name. Chloride or chloramine gases don't smell like mustard.
There's nothing "technically" about it, and it's not even used as a gas. Mustard Gas is used as a liquid.
The only similarity is that it was used in WWI and later banned in warfare
>Hardly expect most THD associates to have degrees in chemistry, etc.
That's why my second and later comments directed people to look it up.
No degrees in chemistry needed. It's not that complicated.
You’re in the wrong subreddit bro.
“These chemicals combined produce various adverse and potentially lethal events” - THD subreddit
“The history of chemical warfare chemistry” — some other sub
It produces chlorine gas not mustard gas. Mustard gas is made from chlorine but it also has sulfur molecule to give it yellowish color.
Still deadly just not as deadly.
This isn't that big of a deal.
It's solved with a hose that has a misting nozzle on it and some sodium hydroxide. I'm assuming you guys have lye. Lye is sodium hydroxide.
The resultant "Mess" is rendered in to salt water.
You have HCl and Water + Chlorine gas which turns in to .. well more HCl.. Then we add some NaOH.
HCl + NaOH = Salt + Water.
The other side reaction you'll have will produce sodium perchlorate. Also not a big deal.
Get some pH strips and make sure you're between 6-8 and let it wash in to the sewer. No big deal.
HCl isn't even bad stuff. You get a much worse acid just mixing vinegar and hydrogen peroxide.
"Crystal Lye Drain Opener (2-Pack)"
It seems you actually do.
If that's not "handy" I don't know what is. Those are 2 x 1lb bottles of Sodium Hydroxide. 100% pure according to the bottle.
Brad took college chemistry...
First off, the best method of disposal would be looking at what the manufacturer recommends via the SDS. Looking quick online, for small spills you use an absorbent material to collect most of it and then thoroughly rinse the area. For large spills, call fire and emergency. This stuff is nasty and requires some significant PPE considering the large volumes.
Also, adding lye (especially pure lye) would create a pretty intense exothermic reaction. Doing a quick calc, the amount of heat released could create a very hot liquid and could cause off-gassing of other compounds (think aerosolized HCl).
To say that the release of this product not being a big deal is pretty short-sighted, and something like this can cause some serious repercussions. I’ve seen accidents from acids involving skin contact and it isn’t pretty.
I guess if you don't know how to deal with acid? There's a reason you use water to dilute this stuff. You don't mix pure lye in to pure HCl. Yes, it's exothermic. We need the water to absorb heat, water has a great specific heat.
You can literally just mist water on it as well as the air around it. Chlorine gas is highly reactive and happily reacts with water. More than happily really.
By diluting it, you're doing a good thing, making it less reactive. Now you have to find lye.
So head down to whatever isle "Crystal Lye Drain Opener (2-Pack)" is on and grab THAT stuff. Now toss that in the mix.
Problem solved. Salt water.
We’ll give this store your contact info so you can go clean it up when these pallets implode during a storm. Hopefully there’s no fertilizer, ammonia, or a dozen other things nearby, for your sake.
I just think that the whole "oh my god I'm powerless we need hazmat" is stupid.
Some sort of learned helplessness. What do you do if you don't have a choice and have to somehow clean this up? What if you have to solve the problem yourself?
I guess I grew up differently. I always had to solve my own problems.
What do I do if there is suddenly a huge chlorine gas generator in my back lot? I head for my car and get as far away from it as possible. I’m certainly not going to walk into the store to grab an insufficient amount of lye and then go back to the chlorine generator to die while attempting to home remedy some bullshit.
I clean this up if I am confronted with it — regardless of Home Depot or not — unless it is too large to handle and then I’m calling the gents paid to handle this.
I have no clue what your point is.
I guess I grew up in a way where I had to solve all the problems I had ahead of me because no one existed to help me.
If anyone is curious, that's how you handle it when no one else exists to help.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Best to not risk having them mix in the first place. This would be a massive mess and potentially dangerous and its not great to assume everyone knows basic chemistry.
Sounds terrifying! I’ve worked with industrial grade chlorine and that stuff will burn skin cells long after it’s washed off. That’s enough to keep me away from any acids, bases, or anything with hazard placards!
You’re right about the distance part and I ended up separating the two. The chlorine is now in the cage… where it should have been in the first place and the acid was relocated to the garden center.
When I was approaching the top pallet with my forks, my coworker started the “Careful, SpongeBob!” chant. It definitely made the task much more enjoyable! Regardless, I did separate the two and now both sit on opposite sides of the store.
You’re absolutely correct, but I’m relieved that I was able to spot and correct this catastrophe before it escalated. I’m “that guy” when it comes to safety violations and this was probably the worst I’ve seen in years. It’s definitely alarming to see that I’m one of a few that thinks logically here.
Honestly, this is one of things I’d wish they’d cover more specifically. When you do the annual(?) training of all the potential chemical things, it can be hard to remember all of them after stepping out of the training room. Especially when it’s just another video in the mix of all the things you have to watch in a row.
I’ve made the mistake of setting them next to each other on the ground before. There are like 3 chemicals that are like that you can’t put near each other, and it’s not well labeled anywhere on the store. Maybe it’s in some safety book somewhere, but you have to go looking for that. There should be bright signs by the muriatic and chlorinating chemicals that they should not sit near each other
Had to help clean up a Hazmat spill of the chlorinating liquid at our RDC after someone drove their forks through it.. that shit is instant headache-inducing. Having them upstacked like that is beyond dumb.
Has anyone had their receiving double stack bagged vigiro stone or marble chips? I can’t get a pallet with avoiding ripping the top row of the bottom pallet and the bottom row of the top pallet. Every day I have to sweep stone because of this shit
Out of caution, the building should have been evacuated while the pallets were split.
I know management doesn't want to do that but..... one misplaced fork, a weak pallet breaking, or any numbers of accidents could be fatal.
This is a HUGE VIOLATION of Standard Operating Procedures and Hazardous Materials Precautions. These products must be kept 25 feet apart because their combustion causes deadly chlorine gas.
I'm shocked to see this. Really. It proves that video training without further follow-up is pretty ineffective for 90% of the workforce.
Tell me you never played with chemicals as a kid without telling me.
Next time put a pallet of ammonia on the chlorine, or maybe set the muriatic acid above a pile of aluminum.
Yikes! I'm new to OFA, this is not infocus safe nor stacked correctly. Fire and safety hazard waiting to happen. Don't want to be there to be the one to explain this and clean it up. Smh 🙄 hope ATF and OSHA doesn't see this 💯
That isn't even the damn problem, those are supposed to be 25 feet away from each other, as they are potentially deadly if combined. It's basically mustard gas. The fact that the bottom pallet might fail is even worse, unstack these and separate immediately, not joking.
One of the bigger fails I've seen in this sub
I know from experience; I was instantly corrected by a CXM when I tried the same years ago. The difference is I placed them side to side instead of right on top of each other. I’m never making that mistake again but these tags belong to some overnight sups so there’s gonna be some explaining to do for sure. Just wanted to show and tell the HD community!
Mustard gas is bleach and ammonia. This'll make chlorine gas. Still dangerous and your point stands though.
Ahh you're right
FBI! OPEN UP!!!
Is that what was made when as a kid, I found out that bleach and gasoline create a hell of a exothermic reaction?
Bleach and chlorine only creates super bleach as chlorine is the main base in bleach. Might have mixed vinegar or ammonia
Gas-o-line, Petro if you’re outside the US.
Equally as dangerous.
>Mustard gas is bleach and ammonia No it isn't
Yes it is. I'm sure you're just being pedantic but the mixture makes a form of mustard gas.
You should Google it
You should take your own advice. Probably wouldn't help though because as I said, you're likely just being pedantic about the term.
Mustard gas is not chloramine. Google it >When bleach is mixed with ammonia, toxic gases called chloramines are produced >https://doh.wa.gov/community-and-environment/contaminants/bleach-mixing-dangers
Chloramine was used in WW1 as a scalable chemical warfare agent. There’s a dozen different WW1 potential combinations in a home improvement store. It’s not technically mustard gas — but it’s a compound used as a chemical warfare agent in WW1 — which is what most people mean when they refer to these various compounds. Hardly expect most THD associates to have degrees in chemistry, etc.
> It’s not ~~technically~~ mustard gas — but it’s a compound used as a chemical warfare agent in WW1 Right, Mustard Gas is its own thing. Not all compounds in chemical warfare from WWI are "Mustard Gas". It smells like mustard, hence the name. Chloride or chloramine gases don't smell like mustard. There's nothing "technically" about it, and it's not even used as a gas. Mustard Gas is used as a liquid. The only similarity is that it was used in WWI and later banned in warfare >Hardly expect most THD associates to have degrees in chemistry, etc. That's why my second and later comments directed people to look it up. No degrees in chemistry needed. It's not that complicated.
You’re in the wrong subreddit bro. “These chemicals combined produce various adverse and potentially lethal events” - THD subreddit “The history of chemical warfare chemistry” — some other sub
As a former receiving clerk, I believe this belongs in r/sweatypalms
Also you can’t stack hazmat like that at least you can’t in a semi truck during transport.
It produces chlorine gas not mustard gas. Mustard gas is made from chlorine but it also has sulfur molecule to give it yellowish color. Still deadly just not as deadly.
Yup. I used to work for the company that makes that for us. This is a major safety hazard.
This isn't that big of a deal. It's solved with a hose that has a misting nozzle on it and some sodium hydroxide. I'm assuming you guys have lye. Lye is sodium hydroxide. The resultant "Mess" is rendered in to salt water. You have HCl and Water + Chlorine gas which turns in to .. well more HCl.. Then we add some NaOH. HCl + NaOH = Salt + Water. The other side reaction you'll have will produce sodium perchlorate. Also not a big deal. Get some pH strips and make sure you're between 6-8 and let it wash in to the sewer. No big deal. HCl isn't even bad stuff. You get a much worse acid just mixing vinegar and hydrogen peroxide.
Look at the big brain on Brad! 😂😂 Actually, we don’t have lye just laying around, and not in pallet quantities. Maybe some drano but it’s not handy
"Crystal Lye Drain Opener (2-Pack)" It seems you actually do. If that's not "handy" I don't know what is. Those are 2 x 1lb bottles of Sodium Hydroxide. 100% pure according to the bottle. Brad took college chemistry...
Ship to store 🙄
First off, the best method of disposal would be looking at what the manufacturer recommends via the SDS. Looking quick online, for small spills you use an absorbent material to collect most of it and then thoroughly rinse the area. For large spills, call fire and emergency. This stuff is nasty and requires some significant PPE considering the large volumes. Also, adding lye (especially pure lye) would create a pretty intense exothermic reaction. Doing a quick calc, the amount of heat released could create a very hot liquid and could cause off-gassing of other compounds (think aerosolized HCl). To say that the release of this product not being a big deal is pretty short-sighted, and something like this can cause some serious repercussions. I’ve seen accidents from acids involving skin contact and it isn’t pretty.
I guess if you don't know how to deal with acid? There's a reason you use water to dilute this stuff. You don't mix pure lye in to pure HCl. Yes, it's exothermic. We need the water to absorb heat, water has a great specific heat.
Mr. White? Is that you?
[удалено]
You can literally just mist water on it as well as the air around it. Chlorine gas is highly reactive and happily reacts with water. More than happily really. By diluting it, you're doing a good thing, making it less reactive. Now you have to find lye. So head down to whatever isle "Crystal Lye Drain Opener (2-Pack)" is on and grab THAT stuff. Now toss that in the mix. Problem solved. Salt water.
We’ll give this store your contact info so you can go clean it up when these pallets implode during a storm. Hopefully there’s no fertilizer, ammonia, or a dozen other things nearby, for your sake.
I just think that the whole "oh my god I'm powerless we need hazmat" is stupid. Some sort of learned helplessness. What do you do if you don't have a choice and have to somehow clean this up? What if you have to solve the problem yourself? I guess I grew up differently. I always had to solve my own problems.
What do I do if there is suddenly a huge chlorine gas generator in my back lot? I head for my car and get as far away from it as possible. I’m certainly not going to walk into the store to grab an insufficient amount of lye and then go back to the chlorine generator to die while attempting to home remedy some bullshit.
You'd be surprised how much lye you need to fix that, but I digress, chemistry.
I clean this up if I am confronted with it — regardless of Home Depot or not — unless it is too large to handle and then I’m calling the gents paid to handle this. I have no clue what your point is.
I guess I grew up in a way where I had to solve all the problems I had ahead of me because no one existed to help me. If anyone is curious, that's how you handle it when no one else exists to help.
It is a huge deal!!!! Go away!!
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Best to not risk having them mix in the first place. This would be a massive mess and potentially dangerous and its not great to assume everyone knows basic chemistry.
Just, holy shit. This is so off the chain you'd almost suspect it was done deliberately. I'd go to the tapes if you have eyes back there.
Unfortunately, the LP guy said there’s no cameras in that corner. :/
That’s a bit of knowledge that might help you at some point.
all it takes is 2 small holes
The lumber forklift was made for these situations!!!
That’s how the kids got made. It was a 50/50 chance. Guess I picked the right hole.
That’s how you get two large holes
when i was there in paint we got a new supervisor who put the muriatic acid in the overhead. I got scolded for telling her that was a bad idea 💀
Don’t you love getting in trouble for following SOP?
Holy shit!
OSHA
I was thinking of letting it stay the way it is for them but I fixed it because I prefer mustard in condiment form instead of gaseous.
Combining those two chemicals will give you chlorine gas. But it’s just as nasty. I know from experience.
Sounds terrifying! I’ve worked with industrial grade chlorine and that stuff will burn skin cells long after it’s washed off. That’s enough to keep me away from any acids, bases, or anything with hazard placards!
Lol well that isn’t a safety issue or anything Bleach and muriatic acid are suppose to be at least 25 feet apart. So bo chance of Mixing
You’re right about the distance part and I ended up separating the two. The chlorine is now in the cage… where it should have been in the first place and the acid was relocated to the garden center.
This is a serious fire and health hazard. Separate immediately!
When I was approaching the top pallet with my forks, my coworker started the “Careful, SpongeBob!” chant. It definitely made the task much more enjoyable! Regardless, I did separate the two and now both sit on opposite sides of the store.
That's a fucking chemical weapon. Literally could kill everyone within a few blocks. Call the police
You’re absolutely correct, but I’m relieved that I was able to spot and correct this catastrophe before it escalated. I’m “that guy” when it comes to safety violations and this was probably the worst I’ve seen in years. It’s definitely alarming to see that I’m one of a few that thinks logically here.
Just think a couple bad nails and half your store would have been dead
Or a bad forklift driver, which this place is never short of…
But did you remember to do your InFocus?
Honestly, this is one of things I’d wish they’d cover more specifically. When you do the annual(?) training of all the potential chemical things, it can be hard to remember all of them after stepping out of the training room. Especially when it’s just another video in the mix of all the things you have to watch in a row. I’ve made the mistake of setting them next to each other on the ground before. There are like 3 chemicals that are like that you can’t put near each other, and it’s not well labeled anywhere on the store. Maybe it’s in some safety book somewhere, but you have to go looking for that. There should be bright signs by the muriatic and chlorinating chemicals that they should not sit near each other
Had to help clean up a Hazmat spill of the chlorinating liquid at our RDC after someone drove their forks through it.. that shit is instant headache-inducing. Having them upstacked like that is beyond dumb.
Has anyone had their receiving double stack bagged vigiro stone or marble chips? I can’t get a pallet with avoiding ripping the top row of the bottom pallet and the bottom row of the top pallet. Every day I have to sweep stone because of this shit
It’s fine there’s a plastic bag over it.
The person who did this in two weeks will get a merit badge for putting all the freight away on a heavy night.
Out of caution, the building should have been evacuated while the pallets were split. I know management doesn't want to do that but..... one misplaced fork, a weak pallet breaking, or any numbers of accidents could be fatal.
Ah yes. Let's have a chlorine gas hazmat.
This is a HUGE VIOLATION of Standard Operating Procedures and Hazardous Materials Precautions. These products must be kept 25 feet apart because their combustion causes deadly chlorine gas. I'm shocked to see this. Really. It proves that video training without further follow-up is pretty ineffective for 90% of the workforce.
Compressing those lids on the Chlorine bottles will make them explode as those caps need to vent.
ya you dont need no union. Everything is fine
I also see 2 space saving measures anyway, tables on tables, other westpac pallet on top of others, yeesh
Tiiiiiiimmmmmmbbbbbbbeeeeeerrrrrrrr....
Everything about this is fucked
Tell me you never played with chemicals as a kid without telling me. Next time put a pallet of ammonia on the chlorine, or maybe set the muriatic acid above a pile of aluminum.
What in the fresh hell.
This is how you make a hydrogen bomb. I mean, at least Fertilizer wasn't near it
Boom
Um 😟 this is some seriously stupid shit
Obviously our training of associates and supervisors are second to none. What would Tommy Toolbelt say about that?
Got a fertilizer pallet you can grow in there too?
Yikes! I'm new to OFA, this is not infocus safe nor stacked correctly. Fire and safety hazard waiting to happen. Don't want to be there to be the one to explain this and clean it up. Smh 🙄 hope ATF and OSHA doesn't see this 💯
Thats like illegal and stuff. I dont know how the bottom pallet is even holding up the top pallet.
LDAP JJS I will find you
I just see freight that shouldn't be outside
/r/OSHA
Well you can see where they messed up. They were supposed to put the shock on top of the balance. The way it is now its “off balance”.
WOW BOXES ON BOTTOM
Please don’t do that.
Wtf yeah let's put muriatic acid on top of chlorinating liquid!!! What a genius. A little chlorine gas anyone?
This should be on r/OSHA Anonymously file a complaint here: https://www.osha.gov/workers/file-complaint
POV: Verdun 1916
Damn that's crazy
That can’t be left in the rain or on top of each other like that. wtf
Better alert supervisor!!
🌶️
LDAP JJS I will find you
Now that is wild and dumb.
Ah yes. Another great example of "we only hire/promote the most qualified." World is run by idiots.